The Future of Wade Rathke and ACORN, Part I
by Michael VolpePeople that know him, and know him well, have described him as an “organic genius” and a “diabolical genius”. He’s become a lightning rod and a polarizing figure, and he’s at the center of a national debate. Wade Rathke is the former long time CEO, or Chief Organizer, of ACORN, the Association for Community Organizations for Reform Now. He’s now running Community Organizations International, the former ACORN International. When I emailed Wade Rathke Friday October 23rd, I was surprised that he agreed to an interview. I was even more surprised that he was familiar with my work. Yet, he was willing to give me some time on the afternoon of the 26th of October. What follows are some of my thoughts following an interview that lasted about an hour.

The campaign that COI is most involved in, or at least featured on their main page, is the campaign to reform global remittance. Global remittance is the process by which ex patriates send money back to family in their home country. For instance, it’s been well documented that Mexico’s main economic source is actually money sent back home from the USA. According to Rathke, this is an industry that topped $300 billion, and far too many of its players practice predatory lending practices. For instance, Rathke has seen fees up to 20% of the amount to be wired. So, if someone were to send $1000 back home, they would be charged $200 to process this transaction. Rathke stressed that such fees were an “outlier” but fees of 5% are about the norm. In his view, this is far too much, and the poor are being taken advantage of by predatory lending practices in this area. Furthermore, with these rates, it also leads to a black market. That’s what’s happening. Often people send money home with all sorts of strangers because they’re promised that it will get there with no charge.
Furthermore, fees to countries in Africa are often significantly higher than to Mexico and other parts of the world. Rathke told me that he hasn’t seen any evidence that it actually costs Western Union any more to wire money to Africa than it does anywhere else. So, the fees should be the same. Rathke would like to “open a dialogue” with Western Union, Moneygram, as well as several of the largest multi national banks to speak about fees charged for remittance. In fact, Rathke believes that multi national banks like Citigroup could get involved in remittance and not only bring about much needed competition which would bring prices down, but also add another source of income for these banks.
For now, Rathke would merely like to sit at the negotiating table with representatives of Western Union et al. He told me that he didn’t have a percentage in mind. He was hoping to get an idea of how much it costs these organizations to process these transactions and then negotiate a “fair rate”. One individual I spoke with called Rathke a “master negotiator” and so that’s probably a place he’d be comfortable at.
I pointed out that major banks and wire transfer institutions like Western Union aren’t likely to sit down at the negotiating table with Wade Rathke just because he asked nicely. I also told him that I believed that he wouldn’t give up just because the other side wasn’t willing to negotiate when asked nicely. So, how far would he take his protests and how cut-throat would he be in dealing with these banks and transfer institutions? I asked if he was willing to picket outside of these places. Rathke laughed and he told me that he didn’t think that pickets and protests were “cut-throat” and that “if an institution is predatory in their remittance charges you bet we’ll let their customers know it”. Rathke told me that at this stage COI only wants to represent those folks looking to use remittance services and isn’t looking to be a vendor because among other reasons they don’t have the infrastructure for such a venture.
COI is also working on a campaign in India to raise the profile of the issue of Wal-Mart’s entry into India. In India, internal laws don’t allow for retailers from outside the country. So, that bars WalMart from entering the country. Still, Rathke says that it’s inevitable that WalMart will find its way into India in the next five to ten years. He said that in their society there are all sorts of unintended consequences with bringing WalMart in. Currently, retail in India is done mostly by street vendors and the equivalent of our mom and pop thrift stores. Having a big box top store come in and swallow up neighborhoods can create all sorts of adverse effects on such a society. As such, COI is campaigning to have the government in India study and plan for WalMart’s inevitable entry into their market. Rathke has a long history with Walmart. Several years ago, he campaigned for a living wage and health insurance for Walmart employees. When, in 2006, a Walmart employee was left for dead because they were very sick and without insurance, the publicity that Rathke created from this story caused Walmart to relent and begin to provide health insurance to some employees and they cut their generic prescription prices to $4.
The one impression I got of Rathke is his pleasant demeanor. If the pressure and stress of the controversy surrounding ACORN has gotten to him, he certainly didn’t express it outwardly. Several folks told me that to be a good organizer you have to have a pleasant demeanor. I next turned to some questions about ACORN itself and it was at this point that the interview, which was almost exclusively pleasant, became contentious. I asked him what he had learned from his experience at ACORN and how he would try to apply that to COI. He was coy as though he didn’t understand what I was asking though I believe he did. He told me the structure of ACORN is different than the structure of COI. ACORN, according to Rathke, was one corporation while COI was a federation. In that, COI is currently in seven different countries. Yet, each country is its own separate entity. Meanwhile, all of ACORN’s affiliates, according to Rathke, were all part of the same organization. Yet, I pointed out, Rathke was in control of the entire federation.
I said that a cynic would believe that the bank accounts of ACORN Dominican Republic and ACORN Canada (each individual country in COI still uses the ACORN name) would eventually be comingled. Rathke responded that international banking laws would never allow such things. I responded that there were all sorts US laws that were broken by ACORN. At this point, Rathke lost his pleasant demeanor. He told me that ACORN broke NO laws. In his 39 years at the helm, they were audited each and every year and passed each and every time. He told me that I was talking to Wade Rathke and not some right wing ideologue.
There are several points of interest in this exchange. First, if Rathke sits at the top of this “federation”, it’s still unclear to me how each is separate. Without knowing who controls each bank account, it’s still not clear that funds can’t be comingled. Second, and much more importantly, ACORN always claimed that affiliates were separate of each other. Here, Rathke told me what many that want ACORN reformed have suggested, if not accused. That’s that ACORN and its affiliates aren’t separate but all part of the same organization, ACORN itself. What Rathke told me about ACORN’s structure is exactly the same as what many critics of ACORN have accused the group of doing.
I also asked him about the firing of Beth Butler. Butler is Rathke’s common law wife and she was, until recently, the long time head of Louisiana’s branch of ACORN. Rathke thought that it was inexplicable that at this point of turmoil that the hierarchy would fire Butler. The move only added chaos at a time when the organization was already in turmoil. He couldn’t explain it, understand it, or in any way see how it helped ACORN. I asked him what he thought of Steve Bradbury taking over for Butler. The back story here is that Bradbury could be considered a protege of Rathke. He certainly taught Bradbury a lot and Rathke had befriended Bradbury and groomed him for years. By taking over for Butler, this could be viewed as a betrayal. I said none of this, and Rathke was diplomatic. He told me that he read in a newspaper that Bradbury said this move was temporary and Rathke was taking him at his word.
Finally, I asked Rathke about his legacy. Did he think about his legacy? “Mike, I’ve been doing this for forty years, of course I think about my legacy”. He believes his legacy still has several chapters left. In that way, he looks forward. At the same time, he told me that no one is a “bigger fan of ACORN” than Rathke and that he’s saddened to watch them disintegrate so badly. He certainly understood that this disintegration did no favors to his legacy. Several people told me that as much as Alinsky has become an adjective and a verb, that one day Rathke would be synonymous with a style of organizing. With no hint of modesty, Rathke agreed.
Epilogue:
I didn’t ask Wade Rathke about his brother’s embezzlement. When things became contentious, I cut it off and moved on. I did this for several reasons. First, I asked Wade Rathke if he had time to talk about his campaign about remittance. I could have blind sided him with all sorts of gotcha questions about his brother and other alleged ACORN misdeeds. I don’t think that Rathke would have made any stunning admissions to me and of course, that’s not what we agreed on. The week previous to the interview, I wrote about the firing of Beth Butler and I said that moving forward Wade Rathke is the story. That’s the case. What has happened, the embezzlement, the investigations, and the disintegration, is not the story. Wade Rathke is the story, and what he’s going to do going forward is the story. All the other things have been hyperanalyzed, and there’s nothing I could have added to the discussion.
Wade Rathke is trying to do in the world what he did in the US. That is to grow a community to serve the poor and middle class throughout the world. People from all sides of the philosophical and ideological aisle will fill in the blanks on that statement. Ultimately, that chapter has only begun. It is the story now, and that’s why I wanted the interview. What happened in the past isn’t nearly as interesting as what Rathke wants to do in the future.





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I think you mean "Serve up" the poor and middle class through out the world. Rathke is a user and a master manipulator.
Like all vampires he lives off the life blood of others, may his stay in hell start soon.
This guy ia dirty and it so obivious. Caan't keep the story straight and is refusing to make the books public. It supposed to be a non-profit. It recieved public funds. Where has the money gone? Who beneifted? Is there oc-mingling? Who's kidding who about usery of the poor? Aren't non-profits supposed to stay away from politics if they recieve federal money? What about all of the investigations into voter fraud? What about the cover up of his brothers embezzlement? Is he also embezzling? after all he said he was the guy in charge and won't open the books and travels around the world and has high priced legal help to try and fend off investiagtions! he's dirty! Wake Up America! Don't let this slime ball and his brother het away with it! They've stole money and rigged votes, they ned to be in jail with the other organized crime *&^&^%heads! Wake Up America and take back your country from the crooks and politains who protect them for campaign bribes!
Breaking info!!! This is sure ACORNish!!! From Syracuse.com!
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/it...
Hey where'd my post go? I think I used too many exclamation points.
This is really something.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/it...
Sorry to repeat. I didn't think it posted.
I appreciate the fair tone of this piece. It is very nice to see a blogger that can coolly present the facts and expect the readers to bring their own interpretations.
Rathke is "negotiating" a "fair rate of exchange" ? Who does he think he is kidding besides undereducated libs and union goons ? He is simply negotiating his cut in a lucrative cash black market scam at the expense of Mexican families. And why would Western Union even entertain such a deal ! Somebody shoot me !
Rathke is smarter and more savvy than all of you (and me for that matter). Demonizing him the way that some you have only plays into his hands. Great organizers thrive when their enemies demonize them. If you try and simplify him and caricature him, that’s exactly the sort of thing he uses to his advantage.
The one thing you must appreciate about Rathke is that he is three dimensional. He’s not a caricature. Only after you appreciate his complexities are you able to make final judgments. If all you’re willing to do is demonize him, then you play into his hands. He’s eaten people like you for lunch for decades. You aren’t the first person to demonize him and he’s thrived in all that demonization.
I’ve checked him out and I’ve spoken to several people that know him well and spoke to them after the interviews. I did three of these. They’re all on my site now, but each will be on big government with in the next few days. There’s all sorts things that have been accused about Wade Rathke that are untrue. For instance, he said he never met George Soros and William Ayers.
One of the hardest parts of the interviews was not developing a form of Stockholm Syndrome. It was extremely difficult immediately following each interview to not be impressed. That’s how charming the guy is.
Don’t get me wrong. The evidence speaks for itself and in later interviews I describe how he, in my opinion, obfuscates the issues. What I realized was that knee jerk demonizing reactions not only don’t do his genious, diabolical as it is, justice, but they are exactly the sort of analysis he has thrived on.
If you knock off the non sensical demonizations and ridiculous accusations, and you focus on what he’s really trying to do, then you’ll be able to counter him effectively.
Just me or do Wade Rathke and Cindy Sheehan look like they were separated at birth?
Thats a nice photo of Devil Wade Rathke. I want to know who the two Muslim terrorists are behind him?
A word about his crusade on wiring co's and their remittance fees. Not long, because it is boring.
Someone should ask him why he is attacking those companies. The real evil lies in the nations (banks – often the same) they send them to and the conversion fees they charge.
American companies (especially those with a store) are exiting from this business. Internet sites and foreign companies doing biz in the U.S. are taking over. is he just against American companies making profit? Most of these companies offer sort of a sliding scale of fees meaning you send $50 bucks, the recipient will not be gettng much after the fees on both ends, but send say – $300 (the max allowed per quarter for money going to Cuba from the U.S.) it becomes pretty economical – on the U.S. side. Cuba takes a giant cut either way.
Another point is that if you drive these companies out of business you know who suffers? That poor guy who would have received the money and then the country they live in. Those countries rely on that money to raise their people out of poverty, raise their export $'s because of increased productivity, create better health and education opportunity.
So, why again is he chasing these companies? They do not stand out as usury. Payday loan people – go after them.
He's a criminal.
It does not take much genius to take advantage of the poor, undereducated and desperate. He is a crook and a con artist. remind yourself of that and smooth talking should hold less sway.
Good points.
But he is sooo adorable, it is hard to resist demonizing him.
I saw an interview of Wade Rathke done by Megyn Kelly on Fox News. I thought it was done very well. Both were pleasant, but she was not going to taken by him. A little tiger that one.
By all accounts, Al Capone was quite a personable guy, too.
Didn't mean he wasn't a crook, a thug, and deserving of far more prison time than he ever received.
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100% Pure American Snake Oil.
Wade Rathke oughta use some of his brother's stolen loot and have that ugly ass head surgically removed.
A man with bleached hair. Yuck
Negotiation is right. He does not come across like a former SDS Lefitst. He seems like the kind of guy who owns a chain of car dealerships in the gulf states. The kind of guy who can be nice one minute and a viper the next. I can not see his angle on remittances. Western Union only sends the money. Other companies in Mexico receive the money — This is where the high charges occur. In these third world countries pressure groups (ACORN) don't mean crap. The only thing that matters is bribery. I think that ole Wade is boxed in with nowhere to go. In the words of Johnny Rotten: No future, No future for Wade.
I have a Three Point Plan. We should start remittance companies ourselves. We should charge as little as 1% to corner the market. Then, we adopt the same policies as Acorn and COI:
1) Keep the books closed under all conditions
2) Never send ANY of the money to the foreign recipients
3) Shuffle the money around our various outlets
4) Keep the money in America for good use
Any takers?
Heidy Ho!
OK, so it's a Four Point Plan in keeping with Liberal Philosophy — keep changing the rules.
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I am so sick of this 'serving the poor' BS espoused by liberals.
Liberals USE the poor to line their own pockets and gain power. Liberals instill victim-hood and perpetuate an under-class. I'm interested in what WORKS to get the needy on their feet, what WORKS to empower them to TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES and contribute to society, what WORKS to put them on the path of self-determination.
Show me the proof ACORN. Show me how all the people you have 'helped' are paying taxes, paying their fair share.
The Blogger wrote, "The one impression I got of Rathke is his pleasant demeanor. If the pressure and stress of the controversy surrounding ACORN has gotten to him, he certainly didn’t express it outwardly. Several folks told me that to be a good organizer you have to have a pleasant demeanor."
We need to adopt this same approach when "recruiting" our members.
Truth, logic and common sense
Wade Rathke and his thief brother.
Biggy Rat and Itchy Brother.
Communist, frauds, criminals, America hating, playground wimps, liars, thieves despicable ilks, and they are Obama's good buddies.
When "The Man Comes Around" they better hide.
When the Man comes around, Johnny Cash Song.
Stand by
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