CRS Report On ACORN An Incompetent Whitewash
by Matthew VadumApparently Congressional Research Service employees are as good at research as ACORN employees are at registering voters.
Not surprisingly, the new Congressional Research Service report on ACORN continues the Democrats’ coverup of President Obama’s favorite advocacy group.
The CRS report commissioned by House Judiciary Committee chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) and House Financial Services Committee chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) –both longtime ACORN allies– is a whitewash.
The first finding Conyers and Frank crow about in a press release is this:
There were no instances of individuals who were allegedly registered to vote improperly by ACORN or its employees and who were reported “attempting to vote at the polls.”
This is demonstrably false. Darnell Nash of Cleveland, Ohio, was registered to vote nine times by ACORN. After fraudulently casting a ballot, he was convicted of both vote fraud and voter registration fraud and sentenced to six months imprisonment. ACORN remains under investigation by the elected Democratic prosecutor Bill Mason in Cuyahoga County (at least according to Mason’s spokesman the last time I spoke to him).
And to think — our tax dollars paid for this worthless report.
One might expect the CRS would actually have its researchers expend a bit of shoe leather and do real research, but that’s not what CRS did. In the cover letter accompanying the report CRS explains that “a NEXIS search of the ALL NEWS file did not identify any reported instances of individuals who were improperly registered by ACORN attempting to vote at the polls.”
That’s all CRS did. A Nexis search.
That’s pretty shoddy methodology. All CRS had to do was make a few phone calls to experts who track ACORN and they could have come up with the correct information.
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Move along here people…nothing to see…just keep paying your taxes and no one will get hurt….
Weeellll, isn't that special?
Typical. Obamaism 101.
You expected anything different from the Political Class?
Not to worry. The watchdogs in the MSM will, no doubt, exposet he fraud….oh wait.
Let's face it, the only solution to this kind of problem is to not be in the business of funding "private" groups. Not ACORN or anyone else. It would save a ton of money. Besides, why should politicians be able to fund virtual armies of advocates whose main use it to assure the re-election of their political masters? Let these private groups get a true gauge of their value to society by making them raise all of their money from the private sector.
*wave of a hand* These are not the misappropriated funds you are looking for.
Mmmm,mmm,mmm we sure would like another helping of this Hope and Change. Just more of the Demorats treating us like mushrooms. Keeping us in the dark and feeding us shit.
Here's an example:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2...
Time to load the muskets, march with the militia and take our country back before it's too late
Ha! You write an article about nash for the Spectator and then use that one tidbit to trash the whole report. Great job, Vadum. That's real classy reporting.
Now no mo questions! Da ACORN buses are on the way!! REV Wright
Wait a minute. Didn't two members of Congress prepare a report that aggregated all the Acorn voter fraud and illegal activities? I seem to remember seeing this, and didn't Acorn people in Nevada plead guilty?
We've been A-CORNholed!!!
ACORN=Socialist Looters
Our Republic is in Crisis!!!
yup
More reason to quit believing the Fed Government, as if we needed more!!!!
"Darnell Nash of Cleveland, Ohio, was registered to vote nine times by ACORN.""
I clicked on the hypertext hoping for a news story confirmation. What I got was a right-wing blog posting. Quite an echo chamber y'all have here!
so the criminals are finding no wrong doing in their own actions…
Big surprise there. And don't expect ANY congressional action against ACORN until they lose control next November. They need a healthy, well funded ACORN/SEIU to spread the rest of the 'porkulus' $$$ around so they can buy key districts and stuff voter roles.
That cannot happen if the key players are in jail…
By any standard of logic, any time an entity makes a statement that allows for no margin of error, like "NO INSTANCES" and there is one documented instance where such an event occured, that is enough to disqualify the entire statement. Just look at the smear job done to Mark Furman during the OJ trial. They asked him something like, "Have you ever spoken the "n word" in your lifetime, detective?" and when he basically said, "No way" and they played the tape of him reading off a script for an audio book and the "n word" was used in context of the story, his credibility was shot, because he said he never said it but he did.
Conyers' wife is facing three to five years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines for bribery. John Conyers' coverup for Acorn makes him guilty of far worse. With him as Judiciary Committee chairman, don't expect any real justice until he is removed from office.
I heard that all CR$ did for their report was change their kneepad$
So….whatcha going to do about it?
It is all a scam to defraud the American people. That is all the Dems have, a scam.
Yet is true, but lets not confuse things with the truth.
Don't underestimate the power ACORN wields with the Libs. They have the ability to elect anyone through their thuggery and illegal acts. They were able to put the impostor in the White House, and that message is not lost on the rest of the miscreants.
How in the world did republicans allow the democrats to build this filthy cheating tax fraud bank distructing tax payer funded socialist sewer of an organization?
Where are the watch dogs to stop this and never let it happen again.
If not, get used to more ilk like Al Franken-Stein.
http://clevelandleader.com/node/7298
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/politics/item_WECdDE...
Good Enough?
Note to Big Government / Journalism : Keep 'throwing stuff at Acorn & SEIU! Even if only 'weakened' as we come to Nov 2010, We the People will have a better chance! Many things and committees will change after November 2010. Write to your Fed politicians to keep throwing them under the bus. Many liberals don't bother voting in non-pres elections. That 'used' to be true of conservatives and repubs.
How can you guys expect anything different when the "dear leader" is so involved with these sewer rats? He OWES his election results to them for godsake. The Muslim money paid his way and Acorn paved his way. Lets get real here!!
Too bad there isn't a viable press in the country.
Go to h*ll bob, go to h*ll bob, go to h*ll bob….I guess there is an echo in here!
I thought CRS was an acronym meaning Can't Remember Sh!t …. Oh, I guess it does…Just sayin'
I feel it important to defend the CRS here because I do think they are a first rate research organization with a lot of experts on staff. The problem is not necessarily the report (which I haven't read in full) but you need to determine what was the question that was asked. CRS researchers don't just undertake any study that interests them, they respond to specific requests from Members of Congress. So the most important information to have is the question that Conyers and Frank asked and what restrictions they put on the request.
whats with the white guy ?!?! the cockroaches couldn't find one of theur own ?!? or maybe he converted to islam so its ok
That's so true, although if they are verified as false it's a lie(see:everything that spews from DNC,MSM propoganda machine)…..
Undoubtedly the report was written ny affirmative action employees.
Wait until the next round of Hannah & James gets published.
Last but not least, see last entry in the County Clerk's docket! (I had to truncate the charges, as there were multiple mishandling and tampering charges that would not fit here. BUT IT IS VERIFIABLE…..)
06/04/2009 INDICTED ORIGINAL
08/19/2009 SENTENCED
08/26/2009 JAIL
09/01/2009 LEAVING JAIL
CHARGES
Statute Description
3599.11.A FALSE REGISTRATION; PENALTY; IMPROPER HANDLING OF FORMS
3599.11.A FALSE REGISTRATION; PENALTY; IMPROPER HANDLING OF FORMS
3599.11.A FALSE REGISTRATION; PENALTY; IMPROPER HANDLING OF FORMS
3599.12.A ILLEGAL VOTING
GaltFan
I can agree with that 100%.
When an individuals money is funneled to an group through DC the group becomes beholden to DC.
You want the taxpayers money –get it directly from the taxpayer–or not at all.
If a group like acorn came directly to the public wanting money and we said ' show us an independent audit' –they by damme would get an independent audit.
Well of course, they have to cover their own asses. how else can they get reelected.
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Has Andy Stern and Wade rathkie been seen in Massachusetts – Be on the lookout and someone get over to Coakley residensce to stake it out !!!
Find out if her kids are pregnant and also post on how much her wardrobe is costing !!!! Come on MSM where are you on these important facts
Can anybody name me any rightwing organization that is funded by the goverment?
I can't think of any
Criminals investigating criminals, how could any truth possibly come out of that?! That's like sitting on a block of ice expecting to get warm!!! Thank God, some Journalists are finally realizing they were indoctrinated into a "Slave of the state", loyalty to their teachers mentality, programed to protect their corrupt ways at all costs!!! They are realizing it is ok to tap into the vast diversity of previously forbidden information, which they used to shy away from, for fear of violating their self vowed allegiance to their "Teachers" teachings!!!! Obama wants you to return to school, he'll even make the taxpayers pay for it, so he can teach you all about village life and doing your part to give your money and liberties!! (So he can set up a police state to protect you, the all knowing, all powerful government, the replacement for God in your life!!!!) Criminals are being exposed on a daily basis in elite America, it seems the prosecuting attorneys and Judges are deaf and blind to the revelations!!!
It means nothing! CRS can not possiably be subjective. Another circle jerk and Bertha Baghdad Bob Lewis is the pivot man!
And to think — our tax dollars paid for this worthless report.
And to think — our tax dollars bought this worthless report.
FIFY
We have all the time in the world to prosecute ACORN… after the 2010 mid terms that is. With the Repubs… err strik that.. With real Conservatives in power we can finally prosecute thes commie bastards along with their Democrat and RINO enablers once and for all. And the first new rep elected states that he or she does not want to politicize the matter.. well, they can go to hell and get their asses flushed in 2012 along with OBAMA and his butt ugly she male wife. (err life partner).
Okay. New job for Andrew. Investigate Conyers and Frank. Bits and pieces that come out now and then just won't do the trick. Nope. Serious heavy hitting. Full biographies of their Congressional careers, with emphasis on their activities in Justice and Banking. I'm assuming this is being done for Rangle now. A full expose of Holder (the atty general) would be good too. Lots of sunshine. It's not our fault they are crooks. That's their choice. But full exposure is now a requirement. With the length of their careers, should be possible to get them retired in some way. Jail would be nice. I think such articles would look lovely over at Big Journalism. Often.
Wonder how many times BARNEY had to get on his knees to get this report?
I wouldn't start a musket fight with the greatest military in the history of the world. Go back to the ballot box and take your chances there.
Acorn is a Juggernaut.
Another Communist Organization Recruiting Ne'er-do-wells.
HA HA!!! Ha Ha!! ha ha! You're right. I thought it was my tinnitus acting up.
Senator Byrd (D)W.VA used to be a recruiter for the Ku Klux Clan. Does that count?
It may not be time for muskets yet, but if you are counting on the military to turn it's guns on it's own countrymen, this is not China. The military (including the commander and chief) take an oath to uphold the Constitution, not the administration, big difference. Are you a betting man?
We need to be very careful and not do anything rash. That is just what these ideologues want, another reason to take our guns away.
A little harsh, but I agree. We need to drastically raise expectations in 2010. This would be a fine area to begin in.
I like your attitude. Often, indeed! Daily would be nice.
RIP.
When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat.
George Carlin
It's called personal knowledge of the falsity and having the facts to back it up.
Yes, the pressure needs to be kept on these hoodlums, from now until they are no longer in existence, however long that takes.
more – check the County criminal docket – Took me all of 3 minutes to verify the story – quite the echo chamber. Don't you realize that facts are facts and they can be verified as true or false?
http://cpdocket.cp.cuyahogacounty.us/p_CR_CaseSum...
CASE INFORMATION
Number: CR-09-524693-A
Caption: THE STATE OF OHIO vs. DARNELL NASH
Anybody want a cookie?
I am an older woman who has never owned a gun in her life. I am thinking I should probably go buy one before I am not allowed to as we may need them. This scary and we may need to protect ourselves.
Acorn is a totally corrupt organization and should be closed down….totally. If we leave fringes out there, they'll just morph right back into the totally corrupt organization again. THEN when that's done, go after any lawyers that did all their dirty work.
I'm sure the CRS only thinks it's the individuals who are guilty, not ACORN as a whole. The fact that these "individuals" running afoul of the law seem to be systemic doesn't matter. You just cannot blame ACORN for what they tell their employees to do!
Let's see……criminals investigating criminals…further proof how F'd up the lefty loons truly are. And they actually believe that you are stupid enough to buy it. Are you?
I agree. It's crude and an improper use of the language. Allow me to revise… In English.
"Caucasian Republicans, please give me your undivided attention. Please do not raise your voices in complaint. It's very important for you to comply with your current and future tax obligations because our culture and lifestyle must be subsidized with the fruits of your hard labor. Please do not inquire about corruption, fiscal responsibilty, fairness or Constitutional principles because that would indicate the presence of racial animus."
Copperpeony, you're right-on. Dear Leader is not only involved
with these sewer rats, he's one of them!
The violent uprising you described would be you turning on your own countrymen. In the military we take an oath very much like the one the president takes to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Terror is terror, and it doesn't matter if it is coming from the middle east or the mid west. The terrorist cannot be allowed to accomplish with violence what they can't do with a ballot.
You have the right to bare arms in the service of your country, not against it.
Why is the GOVT funding any entity that has a stated political aim? Why is the GOVT paying anyone or any entity to get people registered to vote? If you want to vote (And you should) you should take the time like most everyone else and go register to vote! I don't buy the line "the unemployed/poor/under-employed need help registering, this is just more $$$$ tossed to the wolves in the name of equal rights! If I where unemployed/under-employed I'd be out looking for a JOB/better job to take care of my and mine then I'd worry about voting. Just more "Hand out" SOCIAL JUSTICE being slid in the back door by our progressive leaders. TERM LIMITS 2 and out or we are doomed!
they will not be a factor in the coming elections because blacks will stay home saying, "man, that nigg$r didn't do shiite for me, I never got a motherfing check"
And the corruption just keeps on a coming. Do they really believe that the public considers them to be trustworthy after everything that has come out about ACORN? What a joke.
This does nothing to elevate the conversation. It is crude humor at best, and race baiting at worst. You should tone it down and knock it off.
That's OUR military not the muslim poser in the WH and the military is heavily conservitive republican and THEY will not turn their guns on us because THEY know those are our guns in the first place. We already tried the ballot box and acorn scum and commie bastards stole the election. So that leaves only one choice and it is coming so you'd better pick a side, but from your name, maybe you already have.
Right on brother.Unfortunately it seems as though it is inevitable, THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO WE THE PEOPLE, and the 15 % of the bums in this country don't count.
I be agreein' with you REV. Dis heer must be dat "Negro Dialect" dat racist white man be talkin about? Dat whitey betta pay up and shut up! Now looky here Harry, you got mo money so you should give mo money and quit all that cheatin' on taxes goin on in washington. If youz paid yo taxes da problem would be solved.So pass me some chitlins and shut up Harry!
ACORN and SEIU are exactly like the socialist looters and union thugs. We are in crisis, one that we will be fortunate to survive.
Ma'am, go get you a gun and have fun with it. Learn how to use it. It is a great tool should you ever need to defend yourself or your property. But don't count on the 2nd Amendment to preserve your Constitutional rights. It is the 1st Amendment to the Constitution that preserves our liberty.
When you go out into the streets to exercise your 1st Amendment rights, leave the gun at home. As long as you have the right to vote in a free election you have no right to kill someone in defense of your liberty.
Yes, I know it will be on the evening news!!
And the "Let's pray not"__new Senator Coakley, the only thing that might save the election in Massachuttes is that they do not have the time to funnel all the illegal money through ACORN and we will be watching closely, at least we hope somebody is watching them.
Certainly most of the press is not doing their job, but I do have to defend Fox, the only problem, many people still do not have cable!
You are wrong when you say the President is a Muslim. It doesn't matter what his father's faith was, he was raised a Christian and claims his Christian heritage. No one else gets to decide what is in his heart.
You are also wrong about our military. They are sworn to defend the Constitution, and at the point where you pick up a gun you have become a domestic enemy.
In my 25 years as an Air Force officer I met officers of all political and religious background. We are as diverse as the nation we serve. What makes us special, is our commitment to national security and the defense of the Constitution. I met a lot of guys who didn't like Bill Clinton, but I never knew anyone to suggest that an order not be obeyed because they didn't like his politics.
You step into some very dangerous territory if you test that commitment.
I used to get the same kind of stuff from my liberal friends. I would hear things like, "you wouldn't really drop a nuclear bomb on anther country just because someone told you to, would you. I told them just like I'm telling you now. The moment I received the lawful order from the president of the United States, our enemies are as good as nuked. And it made no difference to me whether it came from Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan. Our ability to survive as a nation depended on it.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm………….Thanks for the "liberal" advice, but it seems you were wrong. [Note the following comments]
I am afraid that elections….true honest elections….are a thing of the past. ACORN and the Unions have purchased almost all of the legislators, and thus will be able to subvert the electoral process unhindered by those pesky irritating things such as "laws". Those who are charged with policing the fraud are the very ones who benefit most from it. Nothing will happen. Only when people take to the streets as they have in Iran will the process be cleansed of the filth that passes for our Government….and it isnt a matter of if….it is a matter of when. And so it will begin..
Question: Has anybody thought of if this health care past and The people who are not in the Union get taxed and people who are in the Union don't : Are the people who are not into the Union are going to be forced in the Union And the Union are going to get stonger in our money….They are doing more damage to us,just like the government.They have to get into our lives,just like the government. They need to be brought done.They are greedy just like the government. Don't people think about the power they will have…(Unions)…They will not stop at nothening.
The Tea Partiers trie to march on Washington in protest of …. well, everything. They got 10,000 people to rally with them. In a nation of 300 million that is not an uprising. You get more people to attend a high school football game.
The country is still divided politically. You have the right to assemble and the right to vote. Exercise them peaceably.
I can see it now the founding fathers were terrorist because they rebelled against the English.
Thats right, he's the community organizer from Chicago.
I would guess that the question they asked was "What will it take to whitewash this mess?"
Well, my friend mika, if our "representatives" are not representing us…..doesn't that put us back into the same boat as the American Colonies, only with a constitution to protect? These "representatives" are not living up to their oath to defend and protect the constitution, hell, they don't even know what the constitution says. This is treasonous behavior, which is punishable by death, let alone, taxation without representation and it needs to end. I am all for the ballot box first, but if all options are anti-constitution, what is left?
Dear ACORN, Any chance we could ship and bus a few hundred thousand Haitians to MASS before the upcoming Senate vote? Just “axing”. [REV Wright]
No Dank. That puts you back in the election booth in 10 months voting for someone else. If you don't like the way your guy is handling their job, get your friends together and elect someone who thinks like you.
But remember, an election is an unwritten contract by the voters to abide by the results. If you can't do that then you are an enemy of democracy and it is you who are the problem.
Words like treason have meanings, both in definition and legal precedent. You appear to have little understanding of either.
Hmm. Seems the administrator disagrees with you. Why do liberals always call me a liberal? They must have self-loathing issues.
wholly disagree…but, at least we still have that freedom.
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–noun 1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
So, with this definition of treason, most of our CONgress has acted to kill our sovereignty. Most of them have violated the allegiance to the constitution by not reading the bills presented to them. They also do not consult the constitution when making laws. Finally, they have betrayed my trust, the American people's confidence and they act treacherously in back rooms making deals after promising transparency, but, you're right mika, treason is just too strong of a word for what they do. /sarc
For a grown man who proudly served his country, it seems at odds that your posts appear to be a hobby of sorts, with the desire to enflame vs. enrich any discussion. The Tea Party protest was not intended to protest everything, rather, it was a show of dissent for government spending first and foremost. Perhaps you humor yourself with your inaccurate count of 10K people and that is for you alone to enjoy. It just strikes me as such an odd little pastime you have to continue posting and responding with venom which you turn off and on frequently.
You are right. We also have Breitbart. And Rush. But these entites are preaching to the choir. The people who need to hear the truth will not go out of their way to listen. The zombie press enables the left.
Wow – you really don't understand anything as to how the CRS process works, do you?
By your own definition, those taking up arms against the government would be the ones guilty of treason:
"–noun 1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign. "
Our Constitution defines treason for us very specifically as it applies to American citizens in Article III, section 3:
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."
As for the rest of your argument, all that matters is what you can prove in court. And what I see from you is mostly innuendo and sour grapes.
I try to criticize ideas and not people. I do it pretty well, so people feel criticized when I attack their ideas. Occasionally I go a little too far, and when I do I try to dial it down a notch.
As for the Tea Party rally in DC, it may have started out as a spending protest, but I saw people carrying posters with dead babies on them and Nazi symbols and cartoons of the president. So I realized there was a lot of unfocused anger. Then when heard that Glenn Beck was claiming up to a half million marchers I looked at the official Washington fire department estimates and they pegged it at less than 10 grand. So the numbers were being inflated to make it look like there was a bigger movement afoot than was actually the case. It's lying by exaggeration and I reject it.
The people in Iran are fighting for their freedom and putting themselves in terrible danger each time they take to the streets. Any comparison of them to Tea Partiers is disrespectful to real freedom fighters.
If I offended you it was not my intention.
I was remiss to not say thank you for serving our great country. As evident by just about any rally, there will be those who bring in complete and utter crap. Since I was not in attendance I could not judge how many actually were there, so taking an 'official' dept. estimate is what we are left with. Not entirely sure who is comparing the Tea Party to real freedom fighters, ie. Iran citizens et. al. and your point is taken. I guess I am just wondering what your motive may be for posting on a web site you clearly find to be in direct confict with your personal views and opinions. To 'attack' another's ideas will always bring about a reaction, of this you are well aware. So I wonder if your desire is to open other peoples minds to what your 'truth' is, which is a positive thing, yet approaching it with an attack mentality is shutting down any chance of us hearing what you are really trying to convey. Just a thought.
Good points all.
Crowd estimation is conducted by taking aerial photographs and then overlaying square grids over the photo. Each grid filled with people is given a number. The the people in partially filled grids are counted by interpolation. The results are not a perfect science, but they can easily tell the difference between 10 and 15k. It is child's play to tell the difference between 10k and a half mil. The DC authorities do this every time someone applies for a permit to assemble in the city. The are used to having their numbers questioned by those with a political agenda and rarely make a big fuss out of defending their process.
The comparison between Tea Party and Iran was made on a post a few pages up. If you read my posts in a vacuum they can be confusing because on blogs we don't always recap.
I'm looking for a reaction. I want people to defend things they say on blogs. It is why we blog. We get the opportunity to refine the arguments for our political positions and others get to try and take them apart. In the end, even if I have not changed your mind, perhaps I've gotten you to look something up or put more thought into a political position.
If nothing else you will be better prepared for that obnoxious liberal brother in law you have to see every Thanksgiving. The one who thinks he is so darn smart..
I think if you look at my body of posts and what people say to me, you will find that I'm pretty well behaved. Thanks for your post.
And yet, those in our own CONgress that have given aid and comfort to the enemy are still not held to account.
If taking up arms against those in government that are attempting to kill its sovereignty is treason, sign me up. Now prove it in court.
Just a note…I wasnt comparing the Iranian uprising to the Tea Party people. I was indicating that after people say enough is enough, they will indeed take to the streets…and not in any way comparable to the peaceful intent of the Tea Party effort. The left will utilize ACORN and Union thugs to intimidate people, and rough them up. Once. After that, things will go progressively downhill from there. Obama needs a crisis….and people with good intentions will be unwitting pawns in this game of socialism, so not any certain group or party, but the people themselves. Once the genie is out of the bottle though, the left will wish to God they never opened it. That is what I meant….threads do get off subject from time to time…I understand. I am not suggesting or supporting violence from anyone. I am merely predicting what is inevitable. People who are cold, hungry or sick stop listening to rhetoric, and take action to right the wrongs being foisted upon them by the elite in Washington. So it's a prediction…not a suggestion as some of you seem to allude.
When I was in school I was taught that winning is good, but you want to win fairly: a win based on cheating was no win at all. The Democratic party did not attend where I did. Their motto is "Win at any cost, " and that includes raping our constitution, stealing elections, bribery, lying, and slandering anyone who dares question.
Your post makes no sense. But thanks for playing.
There is no comparison. The American Colonies were rebelling against foreign rule without representation. This conversation is about the military overthrow of a Constitutionally elected government. Elected by "we the people" as some on this list like to say.
You have representatives in both houses of congress, and the right to vote for your favorite guy for president in three years. You don't have the right to redress your government with force of arms.
It's an improvement. At least the elements of satire and irony in this statement have a chance of being heard. There is nothing wrong with discussing the inequities of affirmative action as long as we can refrain from acting like children.
Wow – you really don't understand anything as to how the CRS process works, do you?
CRS briefs are strictly non-partisan and are designed to filter out partisan influences. CRS reports are used by all members of Congress, regardless of political affiliation.
I wasn't disputing that aspect of the comment. It was simply in bad taste. That sort of thing belongs behind the barn drinking a beer with your buddy, not on a public forum. Let's face it. We act differently in different environments unless, of course, you're \”socially challenged\”. That was the point I was trying to reinforce when I responded to your post.
Your brother's situation is truly disheartening. No wonder our children are so behind in their education. Evidently, we're not teaching them anything anymore. The opportunities of entire generations are being destroyed before they ever leave the school yard. We have the Democrats and the National Education Association to thank for this. It has to change if this country is to have a future.
mikatollah
You wouldn't start a mashed potato fight with a 1st grader–your point is?
mikatollah
" You have the right to bare arms in the service of your country, not against it."
*****
I'll let Mitchelle "bare arms" in service, I would rather carry a gun.
mikatollah
Having the right to vote—is not the problem. (Mickey Mouse can do it)
Having the vote counted–is.
mikatollah
Admire your commitment to your oath. I most certainly hope none of us ever find ourselves testing the resolve of our military.
That being said, when you are pushing people into a corner, expect resistance.
My point is, it is not the 2nd Amendment that keeps us free. Our liberty is maintained by the 1st Amendment. And if you are going to take up arms against a Constitutionally elected government in needs to be for a better reason than health care reform or cap and trade.
And finally, enough with the angry threats of violence. If you don't like the current government, go vote for someone else.
This is not about carrying a gun. We all carry guns in Texas. This is about turning that gun on a Constitutional government.
That's pretty funny but doesn't change my point. You have lots of ways to address grievances with your government. Do it with a gun and you will be treated like the terrorist traitor that you are.
See you at the polls.
So resist then. Go assemble. March in the streets. Write to your congressman. Donate to your favorite candidate. Vote. Run for office. Boycott. Go door to door.
This is America and you have lots of options. But the minute you take your gun into the street the game changes and you are now a threat to the liberty of others. If you think your anger is worth throwing all of these rights away then you can even use the Constitution to justify your violent actions. But you better be sure.
Don't count on the military to support violence against a Constitutionally elected president. It may feel like they support you because some knucklehead comes on a blog and starts talking smack. But we are led by some very smart people who are committed to their oath to "protect and defend" and the rule of law. Armed mobs will be dealt with swiftly and harshly.
Thank you for giving your opinion, now I know where you get your news/information and sadly on this point your source is unreliable. Even by your argument, DC estimated 60K which is easily disputed if you should take the effort to research this. I understand the fear that drives this ridiculous estimate – can you say fear! It's the herd mentatlity, if the MSM reported truthfully the result would be a larger number of people arising from their stupor and the voice of dissent would increase.
I had read enough of your posts before responding to you and yep, basically well behaved yet it is very clear your intent is that which you state, to get a reaction. Again I say, if you truly want anyone to re-think whats presented, there are more proactive approaches.
Just move along, folks, nothing to see here! Remember, ACORN is your friend!
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I have to call you on this mikatollah.
Obama was not raised as a Christian. His mother was an atheist Marxist, she went to the little red school on Mercer Island WA. There was a picture of her and her parents in the newspaper defending Marx.
He was taught the Koran as an Indonesian student in a Christian school.
mikatollah-'In my 25 years as an Air Force officer I met officers of all political and religious background. We are as diverse as the nation we serve. What makes us special, is our commitment to national security and the defense of the Constitution.'
The commitment is to the Constitution. My husband was an officer for 34 years. Everyone I know took the oath to uphold the Constitution. That Constitution was framed to keep the 3 parts of the administration seperate so that there cannot be a concentration of power. That is what has happened.
I am so tired of threats and comments that I have received from wack jobs who are screaming liberal who are with acorn. Each comes with a personal insult. What I have written about Acorn and how they had illegally wiretapped my office and then forced a call girl who was a student at Tulane University (Heather Bracko) is all true. I can back it all up.
I fear that since Congress is so corrupt, men like myself who have come out to raise hell about acorn and what they have been up to , we are up for grabs if this group is given a walk. I fear each one of us will have the IRS knocking on our doors or worse I fear I will be arrested and killed.
To each and every Congressman and Senator, please do not allow them to walk. Do not allow a self serving group white wash become an excuse to put this issue away. I spent 4 months in a cell because of these people. If they come after me again, I will not die alone. This is not a threat to just go out and commit a criminal act. But I will not be told I will shut down my business or be attacked via the Government on Garbage charges I will not allow this 3rd world excuse for a State IE New Orleans to allow their friends to set me up on Rape charges ever again and get away with it. If they pull this act again, God help them, I will not.
The school he attended in Indonesia was a secular school. He went to school with other boys and girls… They don't educate girls in an Islamic madrassa.
His grandparents were Christian and they were the Christian influence in his life. In any case, he says he's a Christian and that should be good enough for all of us. To question his faith is un-American, just like it would be un-American for him to question yours.
Every officer I've ever met was commited to national security. It is why we chose military service. We all took an oath to "support and defend" the Constitutuon of the United States. Not our branch of service or president or any other person.
The Constitution names the president as commander and chief so there is no way to "support or defend" the Constitution without obeying the lawful orders of the president.
I hope your husband doesn't agree with you that the military should support armed aggression against the Constitutionally elected president of the United States. That would be treason and damage his professional reputation or soil his memory if he is dead. I would have no respect for anyone in the military who advocated violent overthrow of his government.
I respect your sincerity.
From a Seattle paper. During the campaign for the 2008 presidential election he portrayed his mother as a conservative girl from Kansas, however in reality she was a radical leftist and cultural marxist. She lived in the Seattle area, spending her teenage years in Seattle's coffee shops with other young radical leftists. Obama claims his mother's family were conservative Methodists or Baptist from Kansas. However, his mothers parents were members of a left-wing Unitarian church near Seattle. the church located in Bellevue, Washington was known as ' the little red church" because of it's communist leanings.The school Ann attended, Mercer Island High School was a hot-bed of pro-marxist radical
From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.." But while Obama can still visit his favorite shaved ice joint and body-surfing spots, he doesn't have a childhood church home to attend. His mother wasn't a churchgoer, and Obama writes in "Dreams of My Father" that his grandparents took him to church infrequently. This is from the Times.
A healthy discussion of religion is not un-American. To point out one's religious leanings is not un-American, he can ask me about mine any time. By the way Black Liberation Theology practiced at Trinity United Church of Christ, is not a main line christian doctrine. teachers.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_the...
You are taking what I said out of context.
I have never said we should rise up against the president. I have said that the oath is first to the Constitution. Congress makes laws, it is up to the courts to argue whether it is constitutional. That is the problem with having no balance of power.
I am afraid that there are those who may violence, but I don't. I believe in the Founders.
You are quick to jump to conclusions. You must have me confused with someone else. You are also quick to shout treason…
My husband is a patriot and has never said anything about violence toward anyone. He is offended when I curse. You will not find a person of higher moral standards than him. He won't watch R rated movies. He doesn't want guns in the house. He is a paragon of virtue.
You really leap to conclusions very quickly, that does offend me.
mikatollah
Point out one time when I have made an 'angry threat of violence'.
You jumped into a thread that started with "time to load the muskets". You have a typical "tea party" understanding of the Constitution that is a cartoon version of the documnet. You think you have some special military credentials because you raised the kids while your husband served. To justify your opinions you pronounce the president a Muslim and far worse.And now you are offended by my response.
I'm sure your husband is a great American. I figured this stuff had to be coming from you. No military officer defends armed insurection against a sitting president.
The behavior you defend in the name of the Constitution is treason. Let's be clear on that. And there is no excuse for marching with guns on the government of the United States as long as you have the vote and representation. Because not only to you bring violence against the Constitution, you mock the will of the people.
If you don't like Obama vote for someone else.
Again you are taking what I said out of context. I wrote: "It may not be time for muskets yet, but if you are counting on the military to turn it's guns on it's own countrymen, this is not China. The military (including the commander and chief) take (took) an oath to uphold the Constitution, not the administration, big difference." I wasn't talking about us attacking them, I was questioning whether the military would turn it's guns on Americans. You really love to attack me personally and claim that I am threatening violence. I have done no such thing, but I have seen you do this to other people.
I have never said anything about insurrection. I know what treason is and what giving aid and comfort to the enemy is.
You are wrong and can't admit it. The comments I wrote about Obama where from a Seattle paper, and his own books. Oh, the links about his religion since the 80s are from your liberal Wiki.
Is that how you view your wife, if you have one. That she has not given up anything while you serve? That she is less committed to this country? I was born in the military and have spent my whole life in it's control. I don't have special credentials and didn't even put on the bitchy officer's wife attitude. You really don't respect military spouses.
Thanks for the juvenile Tea Party remark. You see everything through your progressive (red) tinted glasses. You have charged my husband and myself with treason and I am not supposed to respond? You don't know me and you have no right to charge me with anything. You don't define me.
No, you have defined yourself. All I did was hold up a mirror and you didn't like the reflection.
I appreciate the sacrifice of all military families. My wife was supportive during my career, but being married to me didn't make her a bomber pilot.
Not you personally. The thread began when some knucklehead said it was "time to load the muskets" in response to Obama's political policies. You got caught in the middle with your clever insult.
The only thing that is inevitable is that violent criminals go to prison in this country. That is where you will meet up with the "bums that don't count".
So if you don't like the current guy, vote for someone else.
Good try.
I am not a Lt. Colonel either. That does not negate the years that I spent in the military. Your lips move but I can't hear what you say. I question your veracity.
For the most part, that's just the ratchet effect of Big Government, growing, expanding, remorselessly, under cover of darkness. What happened this past year is that Obama and the Democratic Congress made it explicit, and did it in daylight. And, while Barack may be cool and stellar if you're as gullible as "the educated class," Nancy Pelosi and Ben Nelson most certainly aren't: There's no klieg light of celebrity to dazzle you from the very obvious reality that they're spending your money way faster than you can afford and with no inclination to stop.
mikatollah
Below you will find an excerpt from this article http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/educated-229341...
In reference to your comment of needing a better reason than health care to oppose the present government.
"The educated class" is apparently too educated to grasp this insufficiently nuanced point.
It's not just the money. The notion that the IRS should be able to seize your assets if you don't arrange your health care to the approval of the federal government represents the de facto nationalization of your body, which is about as primal an assault on individual liberty as one could devise."
Let's all agree that government is growing. It grows when Democrats are in charge, it grows when Republicans are in charge. It grows in the daytime, it grows at night. If you want to reverse that trend all you have to do is convince 51 percent of the people to agree with you, and then get the politicians you elect to follow through.
So far that hasn't worked out for you. Even Ronald Reagan saw an explosion in the size of government in his eight years, and that was after loudly proclaiming that government was the problem. For that reason, I don't really believe it is the size of government that makes the right angry… it is the direction.
For that reason we have angry extremists come on this list and advocate for violent overthrow to accomplish what they haven't been able to do with their vote. And all this nonsense about "elitists" and "educated class" is a red herring to justify outrageous behavior. You tell each other that they are not like us. We are the people and they are the ruling class. Well, we are just like you with one vote and a political opinion. If you don't like it then go vote.
Since the beginning of the Clinton Administration the right has tried to gain a political advantage by attempting to delegitimize a Democratic president by questioning his patriotism and even his right to hold office. And the fringe right which includes many on this list believes they can use this to justify violence in the name of the Constitution.
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