Citigroup Executive Pulls Out of Sham ACORN Audit Under Pressure
by Matthew VadumCitigroup executive Eric Eve (pictured below) has resigned from ACORN’s phony, allegedly independent panel of inquiry, a move that removes one of the few people on the panel who could even remotely claim to actually be independent.
If you read between the lines, it also seems to mean Citigroup agrees the panel is a sham.
Eve, senior vice president of Global Consumer Group, Community Relations, at Citigroup, quit after the National Legal and Policy Center pressed Citigroup CEO Vikram Pandit to cut ties with ACORN.
In a letter to NLPC president Peter Flaherty, Citigroup announced Eve’s resignation from the panel.
“We too are deeply concerned about the recent media reports regarding ACORN and, because of those reports, have suspended our charitable financial support and program relationships with ACORN, and we are awaiting the results of the independent audit of ACORN activities now underway,” wrote Natalie Abatemarco, Citigroup’s vice president, Global Community Relations.
“On a related topic, please be advised that Eric Eve has resigned his position on the ACORN Advisory Council,” she added.
Citigroup is a Big Government lovers’ bank that funds just about every trendy left-wing cause in America.
Long before it started drowning in red ink, the poster child for so-called corporate social responsibility was a longtime donor to left-wing pressure groups such as Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and Bush Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s Nature Conservancy. In tax year 2003, Citigroup’s foundation gave 20 times more money to groups on the left than to groups on the right, according to Capital Research Center’s 2006 study of Fortune 100 foundation giving. (Foundation Watch, August 2006.)
Citigroup’s foundation has given a staggering $1.4 million to the alarmist World Resources Institute, as well as $509,000 to ACORN in recent years. The ACORN funding included a $500,000 grant to ACORN’s American Institute for Social Justice, which offers Saul Alinsky-style training in community organizing. Other donations to liberal groups include the Aspen Institute ($762,500), Rainbow/PUSH ($750,000), Nature Conservancy ($380,000), Rainforest Alliance ($200,000), and the Council on Foreign Relations ($50,000).
For her part, former ACORN national board member Marcel Reid never believed the council would accomplish anything. Reid and board member Karen Inman were expelled from ACORN by chief organizer Bertha Lewis for asking too many questions about the $1 million embezzlement perpetrated by ACORN founder Wade Rathke’s brother and then covered up for eight years.
When Reid, who is now a member of a reform group called ACORN 8, first heard of the panel, she told me this:
As former members of the Interim Management Committee elected by the national board of ACORN, we say that all of the things that this so-called independent panel is going to examine are things that we tried to accomplish. We called for all of these things –an audit, examination of the books, restructuring of the organization— all of this was already demanded by us.
And because we were trying to exercise due diligence as duly constituted directors of ACORN, we were relieved from our positions, forced out by the board under Bertha Lewis’s direction.
We have no idea how an independent, thorough audit of ACORN can be conducted by these people who were not selected by ACORN’s national board but were put in place by the same senior staff who conspired with Wade Rathke to cover up his brother’s embezzlement for eight years and who subsequently silenced any voice that called for truth, transparency and accountability.
Meanwhile, the remaining members of the council are ACORN allies and funders.
Former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger is leading the investigation. He’s a former president of the left-leaning group Common Cause.
The other members are
* John Podesta, President and CEO, Center for American Progress
* Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Board Member, RFK Foundation, former MD Lt. Governor
* Andrew Stern, International President, Service Employees International Union
* Henry Cisneros, Executive Chairman, Cityview (and a former HUD secretary)
* John Banks, Vice President of Government Relations, Con Ed
* Harvey Hirschfeld, President, Lawcash
*Dave Beckwith, Executive Director, Needmor Fund
Podesta helped manage Obama’s presidential transition team and heads the aggressively left-wing Center for American Progress. The center is heavily funded by George Soros and the subprime mortgage hucksters Herb and Marion Sandler.
Podesta has always been there for ACORN in its time of need. When ACORN got hit with a new wave of election fraud-related charges in May, the Center’s “Progress Action Fund” invited liberal and radical groups – including Harshbarger’s Common Cause – to a meeting in Washington, D.C., to plan how to use rhetorical misdirection to take the focus off ACORN’s increasingly well publicized corruption.
Andy Stern of SEIU is a longtime crusader for something called “social justice.” Social justice is when you have more toys than your friends, so your friends hit you over the head and take some of your toys away. That way everyone is equal. That’s social justice.
SEIU is intimately connected to ACORN but since the undercover sting videos surfaced showing ACORN employees giving advice on how to break the law, it’s trying to distance itself from the group.
Good luck with that, SEIU.
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Perhaps Citigroup withdrawing at this point is too little, too late. They are already caught up in the web that ACORN has spun. At least they are making an attempt, like the SEIU, to distance themselves. Heehee
Truthfully,
I read this thread completely, a half dozen times, with the intent to come up with something witty; something new, something fresh. I can't. I just run plumb out of comments. That evidently how ACORN intends to survive, by outlasting US.
ACORN, SEIU, their advisors, cohorts and co-conspirators? We are growing tired of them. Where is the FBI? Where is the DOJ? They have no credability left.
The two largest government unions in the U.S. today are the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees (AFSCME).A much larger and indeterminate contribution takes the form of money funneled through party and other organizations – to supply ground troops to man telephone banks, do door-to-door campaigning, or enact get-out-the-vote efforts on Election Day.
Leftist Andrew Stern told his members that he expected "every leader at every level of this union – from the international president to the rank-and-file member – to devote five working days this year to political action."
Similarly, John Sweeney, president of the powerful AFL-CIO, is a card-carrying member of the Democratic Socialists of America and therefore believes that capitalism itself should be eliminated.
THESE people need to be eliminated!!! Soon.
I sense we're on to something here. We are under attack on a multitude of fronts from these Marxists, so, let's do the same to them. Death by a thousand cuts. Since the American People are, by and large, dumb, and easily led, but also smart enough to realize a scam when pointed in the right direction, we need to build on the work done by Hannah and James, and simply lead the American Sheople to the obvious conclusion. First ACORN, then we'll see who is ready to be next!
Check out what Wade Rathke has to say about the recent elections on his website at chieforganizer.org
pop quiz fo anyone out there:
if the demoncrats pass public health care that results in more americans insured, for less money- do you still oppose such a move on faith based ideological grounds?
if the demoncrats reduce greenhouse gas emissions and contain global climate change on a cost neutral basis to big business, do you still oppose such a move on faith based ideological grounds?
just curious.
if the demoncrats
I have to agree with you. What else is there to say? The ACORN web and the depth of the corruption is exquisite. The lack of interest and in some cases complicity by officials charged with upholding the laws of the land is stunning.
"THESE people need to be eliminated!!! Soon. The future of this country depends on it. "
do you remember how the united states was before unions?
Big business owners were called "robber barons". Their word was law. When there was a downturn in the economy, as we are experiencing today, parents would draw their children from school, often at the 6th grade, to work in the mines and factories.
Who campaigned for the 40 hour work week? unions. Who won you worker's rights? Unions. What's to stop those gains from being reversed? Unions.
Yes of course until the UNIONS became corrupt like the MAFIA!!!! Go and research. I'm not contributing anymore to your marxism rambling.
What does faith have to do with any of this? Not all of us on here worship the flying spaghetti monster you know…
Scott, buddy, there are a lot of unions in this country that do a lot of good things. There are also a lot of businesses in this country that also do a lot of good things.
But there are a few, very large businesses in this country that rape us while we're not looking. Guess what? There are a few, very large unions in this country doing exactly the same thing.
Speaking of ACORN,
They haven't done anything to their website since the end of September. Is Bertha in a quiet period? Reflecting upon her next diatribe?
http://www.acorn.org/
I would simply like to know who you think would oppose a slide back to the robber baron era, encroachment on the now standard 40hour work week, and laws protecting child labor if not unions.
by ourselves, we are not powerful enough to protect the encroachment of these benefits.
this isnot "marxist rambling". this is me personally asking you a question. There is absolutely nothing guaranteeing you a weekend, or limiting you to a 40 hour work week,or granting you overtime pay should you exceed that, or rules protecting child labor written in to the "Free Market".
These are benefits unions have granted to you.
So I ask you again. Who do you think would oppose a slide back to the robber baron era, encroachment on the now standard 40hour work week, and laws protecting child labor if not unions.
well, there are a few very large businesses in this country that rape us while we're not looking because of the very fact that unions allow workers collective bargaining power, without which very large business have been all too willing to rape us while we ARE looking, historically speaking.
it's just two simple questions.
Main Entry: sham
Pronunciation: \\ˈsham\\
Function: noun
Etymology: perhaps from English dial. sham shame, alteration of English shame
Date: 1677
1 : a trick that deludes : hoax <feared that the deal was a sham>
2 : cheap falseness : hypocrisy <saw through the hollowness, the sham, the silliness of the empty pageant — Oscar Wilde>
3 : an ornamental covering for a pillow
4 : an imitation or counterfeit purporting to be genuine
5 : a person who shams
synonyms see Bertha Baghdad Bob Lewis, Scott Levenson, Wade Rathke
There was a time in American history where unions played an important role. Unfortunately, like many politicians, they've become pools of power, greed and corruption.
Hi Scott.
I know a lot of people who would absolutely love to have a 40 hour work week (or more) right now! Our society has evolved, the unions are not needed anymore, because small businesses supply the majority of the jobs in this country. If we had some real economic stimulous, I would (as a small business owner) love to hire more people. With as much uncertainty there is in the economy, all the small business owners I know are "deer in headlights" on how to proceed, given the radical changes in our governance. No joke, that's the reality.
(oh, and my employees have full medical, dental, and 401Ks with full matching employer contributions)
so yet again still. i again ask the question:
Who do you think would be able to oppose a slide back to the robber baron era, encroachment on the now standard 40hour work week, and laws protecting child labor if not unions?
can no one give me an answer?
[...] Big Government: by Matthew Vadum Citigroup executive Eric Eve (pictured below) has resigned from ACORN’s [...]
"I know a lot of people who would absolutely love to have a 40 hour work week (or more) right now! "
yes. they are called twelve year old children in hard labor, pulled out of middle school to help support their families. that is who is employable with no minimum wage (another union gained benefit) , and no bargaining power for workers.
You are completely mistaken. High unemployment rates serve to further exacerbate worker's benefits without unions, as it is specifically adds to the employer's bargaining power.
Have you ever run a business or had to make payroll? My impression is that you think all businesses are bad, evil entities. Guess what, besides the benefits I just listed that I pay for my employees, I PAY THEIR PAYCHECKS before I make one slim dime for myself to pay my own mortgage! Also, high unemployment does not equal high employer bargaining power, it means that there are no jobs or few jobs because the employer is afraid of what's coming down the pipeline in the form of regulations and taxes. And what's with the 12 year olds being pulled into hard labor, what century or part of America are you from? I have been very polite to you on these postings and tried to convince you on the merits of arguments, but your facts are way off base in a lot of instances. Unions are killing our State of California, and that's a fact. Please, facts only, I have not personally attacked you here, not once.
No one has accepted that unions are the answer. Begrudgingly, or in any other fashion. Our silence does not denote consent. Lot's of folks could give you an answer. The reason they're not, is becaue everyone is ignoring you.
Speaking of AFSCME – have you see this commercial?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mw49mk_x0
That is hilarious! It reminds me a lot of ACORN.
facts only:
it was unions that won Americans the right to a 40 hour work week, and weekends. It was unions that won Americans the right to overtime pay and safe working environment legislation. It was unions that won American children protection under child labor laws.
AGAIN. For the 5th time now. Before unions, the United States was driven by Robber Barons. It was ONLY the labor union movement and the collective bargaining power they provided that allowed the American worker these fundamental benefits.
AGAIN, my question: Without labor unions to oppose big business, what would prevent a slide back to the robber baron era? I know you would never revert to such business practices (bless your heart) but your competitors would, forcing you and all like you out of business.
AGAIN. Without labor unions to oppose big business, what would prevent a slide back to the robber baron era?
THAT is my question.
I eagerly await your response.
well i have yet to hear a rational response. is it biggovernment.com's position to ignore rational debate on issues? that is what i am getting here.
I'll answer.
I think your questions shows that you have a distinct lack of faith in your Democrat paymasters in the US Congress. Surely they'll protect you Scott?
By the way … there's nothing in the Constitution that guarantees you a job either. Maybe you should think about that.
someone like me! (that's the good thing about being a lawyer!) The laws are on the books that address all that you state above regarding the rights of workers. They don't get repealed just because the unions go away. There are laws, after laws, after laws, after more laws that address each of the issues that you enumerate. So many, in fact, that poor business owners have to hire people like me just to figure out how to comply with said laws. Yes, I agree, unions had their place and time, but now are just corrupt, powerful machines that steal from you (dues payer) and me (taxpayer). Does it bother you that SEUI officials have stolen money from the union dues for personal gain? Does it bother you that certain unions will use very thug tactics to prevent another union from peacably forming to represent newly unionized industries? Does it bother you that national union officials do not let local representatives to have a voice in the contracts that are negotiated? (I can back it up in each instance – plus zillions more).
There has been a pattern of stupidity and deception with big corporate America in that they have donated to the very forces that will be their own undoing. I'm actually suprised at Citigroup. Meanwhile GE sucks up to Obama hoping to pick up alternative energy contracts and the likes of Goldman Sachs games the markets with our tax dollars for billions in profits. And, small business in America who aren't union or ACORN lackeys are dropping like flies.
Scott, quit living in the past. We used to have outhouses as well. We found a better way to remove our crap.
No one is going back to the robber baron era. The world has evolved. We business owners know that the best way to be successful is to treat our employees with respect, which we do. We pay them bonuses when they are successful, and when times are tough, our employees bust their butts keeping us in business. We gain nothing by treating our employees like crap.
Contrast that with union-controlled workforces; they threaten strikes when they don't get their annual pay raise, even when the economy is in the tank. The workers are always out for what's best for them in the short term (a raise) rather than what's best for them in the long run (a job).
There's only so much of a crooked sham one can stand.
No it isn't. You're deliberately trying to provoke those with strong religious beliefs.
You forgot scott_z …
Does your handle mean what I think?
Scott,
Do you know that Atheism is faith based? Do you know that global climate change is faith based? Do you know pie in the sky free health care is faith based?
Just three simple questions.
"They don't get repealed just because the unions go away. "
YES THEY DO!
they get repealed if there is enough influence on one side of the debate and not the other. Minimum wage? 40 hour work weeks? Legally mandated Overtime pay? that is government interference with the free market economy!!!
AGAIN, there are no child labor laws, 40 hour weeks, overtime pay, disability, vacation and sick leave, minimum wage, or a lunch hour built in to the constitution.
These are all very hard fought rules and laws as they stand now. These laws can be changed, and there are a LOT of people interested in the profits they can reapshould these laws be changed.
None of that hypothetical claptrap will happen. That's like asking an obese person if they would like to be able to lose weight by eating what they are used to eating, but that the food and snacks would be free.
Next question ?
What? Have you that little grasp of American history ?
There were NO unions and NO "Robber Barons" until the mid 19th century, yet there WAS child labor as well as manufacturing companies, coal mines, etc. before that time period.
And it was NOT Unions who got child labor laws enacted!
Unions have ruined and destroyed far more American businesses that they have had a hand in "helping" workers!
No, scotty boy, all big business owners were NOT called "ROBBER BARONS"!
How on earth did you ever managed to get out of 8th grade ?
Sadly, it appears that the American people can no longer can trust any part of this government to protect us from enemies; foreign or domestic, with Obama and his horde running things. This nation is rapidly being completely destroyed from within.
"height of ignorance" tssk, tssk, Scott. I had really hoped we could have a civil discussion, but I'll keep trying. You forget the first thing I said, which answered your question "what would prevent [enumerated bad things] from happening?" There's no way, no how, any politician would ever pass a bill to repeal the worker's protection rights that are on the books now. Do you think the minimum wage will ever go DOWN? Do you think that politicians on either side of the aisle would ever allow 12 year olds to work for 50 cents? (assuming that the value of our dollar does not put all of us in this position shortly). Do you think any decent business owner would do this? The real answer, not the hyper-overdrive response is definitely "no."
Scott, I'm on a roll now. Do you think, as Lies points out, that us small business owners would try to hurt our employees? Heck, they are like family to us, we cover them to our own personal detriment, and look for ways to cut costs until the point comes when we can no longer afford to pay them. Employees, at least mine, are not fungible. It takes a lot of time, effort, money, and dad-gum it, emotional investment to hire and keep good employees. And those that are good, have it good, because they make the business owner's lives better. I just wish you could understand this, as this is exactly what is at the heart of our country's debate. A whole lot of us do not need to be forced, not by unions, and not by government, to do the RIGHT thing by our employees. I find it sad that you may not have not experienced this.
I think there might be a nice simple reason for the withdrawal of all support.
Citigroup can see on the news how the "stimulus" funds were spent, gauge the anger that will come out there as well as that already existing over the bank bailouts, which includes their own. It would be very bad PR to appear to be channeling government money to an organization like ACORN, so it is best to cut all ties to preserve deniability.
I expect they will not be the only company that does so based on enlightened self-interest.
I hope you are right. But many have an unrecognized death wish.
And, Scott, I have noticed that you have failed to answer any of my questions in all my threads to you this week. You have only taken a quotation from my response and gone on discussing just the quote. I don't mind that you are here at all, I think a good discussion is great for all, but you keep accusing others of not answering your questions, but you have abandoned a number of threads where I have presented you with questions and you have just "walked" away. Please go back to all my threads this week, and I will happily respond very civilly to your responses.
" Do you think the minimum wage will ever go DOWN?"
actually, adjusted for inflation, they had been going down quite steadily for decades because they are not adjusted annually. They finally just got a bump. But you should know this more than anyone, right?
"Do you think that politicians on either side of the aisle would ever allow 12 year olds to work for 50 cents?"
I think there would not be pressure to hold minimum wage at a fair value. Without unions, there would be very little organized support for minimum wage at all.
regarding my comment on 12 year olds in manual labor: evidently many people on this website also believe that a public run health care plan for 5% of the public is a "government takeover" of health care. so that is logically consistent with their arguments.,
"that us small business owners would try to hurt our employees"
nope. BUT AGAIN: in the absence of a strong labor movement, all it takes is one unscrupulous business owner to exploit the worst in their employees, forcing YOU out of business.
a strong labor union and strong enforceable labor laws protect your business.
scotty,
you keep yelping about child labor laws. Tell US, what is your take on those thirteen year old El Salvadoran whores, should they be unionized?
He won't respond. He is a paid shill here, whose sole purpose is to cause dissent and disruption.
It took the Great Depression to end child labor nationwide; adults had become so desperate for jobs that they would work for the same wage as children. In 1938, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Fair Labor Standards Act, which, among other things, placed limits on many forms of child labor.
"No one is going back to the robber baron era. The world has evolved "
we are still in the robber baron era. we are simply buying our goods from nations that do not have strong labor movements.
when was the last time you bought something from walmart? you know that is a direct line for chinese goods to the US consumer. the people who work at those factories producing those goods work 6-7 days a week for relative pittance, and work in intolerable conditions.
Googled that, did ya, scotty boy?
There were actually early child labor laws, and the unions had little to do with them.
*I* am the one making unsubstantiated claims?
Buahahahahahahaha!
There were very few "ROBBER BARONS", even when there were so. That term is no longer apropro.
And FWIW, not only have I never bought anything from a WalMart, I've never been in one.
Now about YOU, scotty boy ?
Who said he has? Given his obviously limited intellect, and the fact that, like a school child, he is just regurgitating Obama/Marxist talking points, and his clear inability to formulate his own opinion, or his own conclusion when presented with *actual* facts (and not his Scottisms), I'd surmise he's probably still in grade school.
Scott – time for bed! School in the morning!
And, if you look carefully, voting down everyone's comments.
How utterly puerile.
labor interests at the time pushed for child labor laws for no other reason than they exerted downward pressure on wages.
are you SERIOUSLY going to try and contest that?
He always does that and HOW his count is up, I cannot fathom.
Everyone should vote down every post he's ever made.
Vote with your pocket book. I no longer buy GE light bulbs (or anything else from them for that matter).
No, Scott, "one unscrupulous business owner" would have an unfair competition lawsuit filed against them in a flat second. That's why we would not go out of business. I implore you, do a Google search on SEIU + healthcare+workers+California, and come back to me on what you find. If you were mistreated at a job in your life, I am sorry, but that's the beauty of our system, you are not required to work for any single employer. If you want a better employer, you are free to get a different job. I have done so in my career, several times when I did not like my employer. And, best of all, if you don't want any employer, you are free to start your own business, and that's truly the beauty of our country.
There are so many labor laws on the books to protect the workers. Maybe the early unions even helped put them there, but now unions are so corrupt and they no longer serve a positive purpose for workers.
By the way, I have a business and it has been many years since I only had to work 40 hours or even had a vacation. Try it some time!
Many were forced with racial blackmailing tactics to support ACORN and associated groups. This is their chance to get away from those "obligations to society" with little to no backlash.
Intense Debate rankings are shared across sites from what I can tell.
He and his fellow Obamabots probably have a private site they all go to in order to vote up each other's blank posts, just to get higher ratings…
I am only one person. I cannot follow all threads at all times. I never intentionally "walk away", but once seven to ten comments go over 50 replies each, it's simply not realistic that I can monitor and reply to everyone.
unless you guys would like to hire me full time so i can quit my day job
click my highlighted name to get my posting history. you can see that i do try to engage as much as possible.
scooty,
you and I just agreed.
Your comment about still being in the robber baron era.
Do you know who will be the first Carbon Billionaire?
Algore.
it seems there are 9 people on this forum. i get voted down 9 times on all my original posts.
i even get voted down several times if my reply contains nothing but irrefutable scientific fact, which i find quite Hilarious!!! LOL!
You claimed that it was the UNIONS who got child labor laws passed. That isn't true. And yes, there WERE some child labor laws prior to the late 1930s.
Since you are good at this….."But you should know this more than anyone, right? "
Actually, I have always paid my employees so much more than minimum wage, so I don't actually know, as I think California adjusted up again this year.
Could you go back up the thread and answer my questions about the true union discretions, since you ignored my questions? Please?
Yes. I caint help but notice that. I have never seen him with a positive mark, but something doesn't gin.
If anyone is in a job for long that only pays minimum wage…then that is probably MORE THAN THEY DESERVE! Minimum wage should be an entry-level wage and with experience and training and education those who deserve more will move up rapidly!
What is your day job?
Swamper at a bordello?
He's claimed to have a graduate degree, but anyone can say anything on line. He posts like a retarded 11 year old.
That makes sense…………………….it's the ONLY way his count could be up. There's another troll here, whose count was once -35 and now it's 40 or 50 something; which is also impossible, since most people, here, always vote his posts down.
Scott, I am being a very nice person to you. If you could go back to the threads, esp. the one on the union issues, I would appreciate answers. I see you here, well after I posted my response to you. If not, I think you have lost even me, who is trying so hard to have the civil discorse that all on the left say that they want to have.
No, it sure doesn't !
1) debatable.
2) nope.
3) i have no idea what you are trying to say.
I boycott GE too.
Exactly so; here's hoping they wake up and turn off the spigot/close the checkbook!
you don't think big business will press for lower minimum wage in the absence of a strong labor movement? Why wouldn't they?
you don't think big business will press for lower overtime wages in the absence of a strong labor movement? Why wouldn't they?
you don't think big business will press for less worker benefits in the absence of a strong labor movement? Why wouldn't they?
Then Scott, get some of your friends to engage so you don't have to do all the work here. It's not that scary, and if some on the left have any good, intelligent, fact-based contributions to make, at least they are listened to without being called names (by many, including me). You should not be here alone to do the heavy lifting, heck, if I was going to throw a Tea Party tomorrow, I'd have at least a couple dozen friends at a moment's notice ready to pitch in. Bring your friends on, but keep it very civil and respectful and everyone can listen to each other and make up their own minds.
my rating is public for all to tell.
if "Intense Debate " rankings were leftward skewed or liberally biased, or allowed me to have membership to a secret internet society of liberals that magically awarded me points and hid their cause from all of you, why the fsck would biggovernment.com choose to use such a system?
this is you with your baseless internet conspiracy theories again. its pretty ugly, dude.
your credibility is waning.
oh, and I have a day job too…..Keeping Other People Employed.
It's called KOPEing.
you have a "99" and that is typical of what you post.
LOL.
Minimum wage should be lowered! The higher it rises, the fewer entry level jobs there are, which means that fewer kids can get summer jobs. The higher minimum wages rise, the worse things are for all.
Most companies don't pay overtime and have never done so.
The more benefits, the faster companies go out of business. What do you think ( and I use that words loosely, for you ) ruined the American auto industry, the steel industry, shoe manufacturing in New England, and fabric mills? And before you hand me the usual liberal horse manure, "outsourcing", there was NO such a thing 50 years ago, or more, when shoe and fabric mills here began to fail badly, with most being closed down by the late '60s.
the one you are referring to is syntax game. He was down to a negative 60 something. Sais a few weeks ago, his goal was to break the record with the lowest negatives. Now he is somewhere close around fifty. it doesn't make simple sense. Fuzzy math……………..
That's right, that IS to whom I was referring.
I JUST DON'T GET IT !
We need to cover each other's backs, because scotty boy goes through threads voting down perfectly good posts.
You have NO credibility; none whatsoever!
So, just how is your count so high? How many sites, using this system, do you post to?
"good, intelligent, fact-based contributions to make"
quite frankly, from what i've seen on global climate change, there is none of that to be had here.
Yes, Jordan…..when will be the day that us small business owners get to unionize and demand from our government that we can only work 40 hours a week? Some people don't realize that you cannot be an employer and work ONLY 40 hours a week. If you don't want to work, don't and live on welfare, but don't expect to own a car, plasma TV, a HOME, or anything else, it is a CHOICE that is made.
Lots, obviously. Note that I didn't say anything about liberal conspiracies; I just pointed out that he's obviously posting somewhere else where he's getting lots of positive marks. Since he's so full of crap, it must be somewhere also frequented by his fellow Obamabots.
Or maybe he has his own website. And he spends his off-hours marking up his own posts just to look good.
Pathetic.
"I'll answer"
OK! So I will ask you yet again, and maybe this time you can ACTUALLY ANSWER! Who do you think would oppose a slide back to the robber baron era, encroachment on the now standard 40 hour work week, and laws protecting child labor if not unions.
you have a 99 rating. are comments like these typical of how someone gets a 99 rating around here?
Scott,
Here's an irrefutable fact or five.
1) A volcanic eruption throws up more CO2 into the atmosphere in 24 hours than the entire civilization of man does in a year.
2) Man-made CO2 accounts for *at most* 6% of CO2 in the atmosphere.
3) Trees, plants, vegetables, flowers, all breath CO2. Without it, they die. (How do you think they grow? They are carbon based!)
4) MIT has proven, with 20 years of scientific data, that all of the climate models that state that the warmer it gets at sea level, the less radiation (heat) escapes into space from the planet, is utter bullshit, and in fact the warmer it is on the earth's surface, the more radiation (heat) escapes.
5) Two family dogs have an annual carbon footprint higher than that of a Toyota 4×4 Landcruiser. (Actually, it's higher, because they only considered the footprint of growing the food the dogs ate; they omitted to account for the CO2 produced whenever the dogs exhaled…)
You've been HAD on the whole global warming hoax. It is a SCAM. The fact you believe it shows how freakin' stupid (and sheep-like) you are.
I suppose next you'll be telling us a vegan diet is more healthy than a fat, juicy steak…
i ctrl+f for "union discretions" but didn't find anything.
if you'd log in i can click your name to get to your post.
again. it's not how good or bad YOU are as an employer. its the fact that if labor laws become lax, other unethical employers will take advantage, minimizing cost, making more profit, and driving ethical employers out of business.
it's a race to the bottom. if there are not strong labor laws and a group with teeth looking to enforce them, everyone with morals will be driven out of business.
Scott, you are losing me. Please help me help you out, if you want. Go back to the threads you posed on the unions and answer MY questions. You were demanding those of us to answer you, I gave you honest and truthful answers, so please, it is important, or everyone will ignore you. If that is the result you are looking for, so be it. But please do not be a coward and post that those at this site are unfair to you, as that would be truly unfair.
Again, you take an isolated phrase and only speak to it, and go to a complete divergence of the topic. I asked where your liberal friends were to help you make a contribution to this site as a very important discussion is going on in our country that means a lot to me, and I hope to you, as you are here. I have not invited my Tea Party friends, just to keep it fair on my end.
So…are we just left to "read between the lines" or does your posting have any fact to it? You do remember what facts are don't you? You open up the posting with 4 sentences about Eric Eve along and a "read between the lines" statement that is NOT what journalism is supposed to do and then go on this long rant playing 6 degrees of seperation with Citigroup and The Left. Is this news?
Scrape away the 100 or so sentences of speculative "red meat" to feed the obedient acolytes their daily dose of ACORN Derangement Syndrome, you have this:
"Citigroup executive Eric Eve (pictured below) has resigned from ACORN’s phony, allegedly independent panel of inquiry, a move that removes one of the few people on the panel who could even remotely claim to actually be independent." — OK…have any evidence as to WHY he pulled out? Sick? Pregnant wife? Sick Mother? New Job? Promotion? Conflict of interests? Vacation? New car? Broken toaster? Boredom?
DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL AS TO WHY HE PULLED OUT OF THIS AUDIT BESIDES ACORN DERANGEMENT SYNDROME PROPAGANDA???
No…we should just "read between the lines" because that's now considered journalism to the indoctrinated acolytes who need to be told what to think. Stalin would be proud!
I saw that ! he has a very guilty conscience, or something…………LOL
He posts drivel and I've NEVER seen anyone give him an ujp vote, but he sure has a lot of down ones. Something just isn't right!
Hes votes down all of our posts, yet somehow we all still get l,ots of up votes from others; that's quite telling!
What we all need to do is up vote all the ones he down votes; just to keep this thing honest!
"If anyone is in a job for long that only pays minimum wage…then that is probably MORE THAN THEY DESERVE"
minimum wage is $7.25. that is $14,500 a year. most of those folks work hard manual labor.
I will ask you to kindly chill with the rhetoric.
100% correct. Youth unemployment is now 24%. Why? Because unemployed adults are taking the jobs. If you have to pay someone $10 an hour to flip burgers, would you rather have someone who has a family to feed and will show up on time every day and fork hard, or a lazy "me me me me! now now now! college kid" ??
Worse, black youth unemployment is over 50%. Why is that? Because inner cities have even stricter wage controls, forcing businesses to move out to the suburbs. (Like we did.)
Minimum wage doesn't improve the standard of living, because it causes a trickle-up effect of inflating everyone else's wages. You're still in poverty if you make minimum wage, regardless of whether it's $2/hour or $50/hour, because you're making less than everyone else.
Scott, we don't need to oppose it, cuz it ain't going to happen.
What you're doing is akin to asking who'll protect us from Godzilla when he rises from the deep and eats the San Francisco Bay Bridge…
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