Peter Orszag: These Aren’t the Budget Gimmicks You’re Looking For
by Morgen Richmond
Here’s budget director Peter Orszag writing on his White House blog yesterday:
Recently, a lot of attention has been paid to a claim that this deficit reduction is achieved only through a business-as-usual Washington budget gimmick: paying for just a few years of costs with many more years of savings.
This charge is simply false—and let’s get the facts straight.
- First, it’s true that loading savings up front and costs in later years is a time-honored budget gimmick. It has a single purpose—to hide the ball and make programs look paid for in the near term that will in fact substantially add to the deficit over the long-term.
- Second, it’s also true that some of savings under the health plan start sooner than the major costs in the legislation. We can move quickly to begin identifying waste and improving quality in the current health care system, as well as make certain reforms to rebalance the tax code. But, the major coverage expansion does not occur until 2014, in part because we need to take time to establish a system of state-based exchanges through which private insurance companies will provide quality insurance to those not getting it through their employer. Still, it is important to note that the vast majority of the savings in the next ten years occur in 2014 and thereafter.
- Third, this is not a budget gimmick. The purpose the tried-and-true gimmick described above is to make a proposal that adds to long-term deficits appear fiscally responsible. But if that were the course we were taking, we would expect to see a large fiscal hole at the end of the first decade and larger and larger deficits in the second decade. Instead, over the long-term, the savings under the President’s plan are expected to grow faster than the costs. So, when the Congressional Budget Office is done with its scoring, we expect it will find that the President’s plan reduces deficits by roughly $100 billion in the first 10 years and roughly $1 trillion in the decade after that. In other words, health reform should reduce the deficit by growing amounts over the long-term.
Put simply: Health reform will reduce the deficit in this decade, and it will reduce the deficit by even more thereafter. There’s no gimmick in that.
Orszag’s attempted sleight-of-hand here is almost laughable. His argument boils down to this:
- It’s true that front-loading revenues and back-loading spending is a common tactic to misrepresent the true cost of a bill, and can be fairly labeled as a “gimmick”.
- As it happens, our healthcare bill does indeed use this tactic, by front-loading revenues and back-loading spending over the first 10 years.
- But this is most assuredly not a gimmick in our case, because even though we are using this (ahem) gimmick to understate the deficit over the first 10 years, we expect the CBO to say that this bill will somehow generate a surplus in years 11-20 (when we are long gone).
To borrow an increasingly loathsome expression, Mr. Orszag, you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own set of facts.
Let’s look at the initial 10-year budget window first, since this is the only time period for which the CBO or anyone else can generate a reasonably accurate forecast. It is simply undeniable that the only reason the CBO has scored healthcare reform as generating a surplus over 10 years is because of the budget gimmicks in the bill. And not just the back-loading of spending, which Orszag readily admits.
Even with this tactic, the only reason the bill shows any surplus at all is the inclusion of incremental revenues for social security ($50+ billion) and a brand new assisted-living entitlement program (CLASS – $70+ billion). In both of these cases, these excess revenues represent payment of premiums for deferred benefits, and are a future liability for the government. Adjusting for these two provisions alone, the $100 billion surplus touted by Orszag turns into a $20 billion deficit. If the overall revenues and outlays were also more evenly distributed, we would likely be looking at a 10-year deficit well in excess of $100 billion.
Even granting Orszag his arbitrary re-definition of what a “gimmick” is, there is another bit of chicanery being used to further obscure the real short and long term costs of the bill. The surplus figures cited by Orszag, and all of the forecasts put out by the CBO, have been calculated using Medicare physician reimbursement rates which are substantially lower (20%+) than anyone, including Orszag, expect to ever occur. Democrats actually included the so-called “doctor’s fix” to address this in earlier drafts of the legislation, but removed it once they realized that it would be impossible to achieve budget neutrality if it were included. As noted by this CBO memo to Congressman Paul Ryan, factoring in the planned fix for doctor reimbursements would result in a long term increase, not reduction, in the deficit. In fact, this factor alone is enough to flip the longer-term projection from a $1 trillion surplus to a $500 billion deficit.
Notably, the CBO has also repeatedly emphasized the uncertainties surrounding these calculations, even within the initial 10-year window, but especially with the longer term projections. As a former director of the CBO himself, Orszag is well aware of the imprecision of these sorts of calculations. He is also aware that historically these estimates have grossly underestimated the long term fiscal impact to the federal government (e.g with Medicare).
Orszag is also well aware that future Congresses are highly unlikely to sustain all of the planned tax increases and Medicare cuts. Especially since Republicans in Congress and a substantial majority of the American public are unified in their opposition to this bill. It would take a broad coalition of Democrat and Republican leadership for there to be any hope of enacting or sustaining meaningful entitlement reform. Unfortunately, the White House precluded any possibility of this right from the start, by reserving the right to force a bill through using budget reconciliation, and by crafting the legislation and cutting unseemly deals behind closed doors.
The entire process has been a gimmick, and Orszag is most likely the chief architect of many of the budget tricks which have been used to confuse the American people and misrepresent the true cost of reform.
Put simply, he’s a liar.






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"Put simply, he’s a liar."
Kudo's to the author. It is time everyone call a spade a spade. Furthermore, all these "budget gimmicks" are referred to as "bending the curve". It is all bullshit. Figures lie, and liars figure.
Rick Moranis as Dark Helmet in Mel Brooks "Space Balls:"
"I'm surrounded by Assholes"
Orzag, Bernstein, Goolsby and Summers
Where do they find the liars to fill up the White House!!??? Does this idiot really think we are so stupid as to believe any of his double speak??
Damn! Did this boy grab a good crack hit on his way to work? How stupid does he think Americans are? Might I suggest an immigration policy that allows working class to come here if we can send our elites there? Let's load the 1st boat with everyone who has been at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in the last 13 months!!!
Pray these fools don't pass this monster! If they do the revolt in Nov. will be huge. Don't rally for 'Get rid of the Dem's" Rally for "GET RID OF ALL ENCUMBENTS" & "George Washington only did two terms, Who are you!". If the candidate does not support term limits then don't vote for them. New blood in D.C.
LOL I dont think americans are as dumb as we were a year ago. Thinking healthcare will save money instead of bankrupting the system is sad when comparing HC to medicare, postal service, and everything else the fed touches
Second bullet point. Why don't you identify and correct the fraud and waste FIRST and prove it will be resolved?
When you get that taken care of, let me know.
All-Star Assholes?
He ought to form a basketball team. Call them the "Washngton Globetrotters" and head out on tour.
People keep saying 'how stupid do you think the american people are!' What I say is , they are pretty stupid! They elected all the politicians behind these awful moves, now they see how bad politicians can be.
He's full of crap and his toupe is a joke
But…but…he's such a dreamboat, or at least the MSM tells us he is, so it must be true.
Exactamundo! I haven't figured out why the Republicans haven't raised this issue. Fix Medicare (if it's fixable) first! Then we can see where we are. If Medicare isn't fixable and self-sustainable, then how is adding trillions more going to help?
Geesh, where are the big brains????
In his picture he is actually referring to how much he hopes his manhood will grow once he gets his refill of Extenz.
Prediction: Progressive is Marxism! Marxism is anti-messiah, Karl Marx said do! Obama wants to fundamentally transform our society into Marxism! Any idea what that means? Think about it?
AMEN to that. Why wait to find all of the fraud and waste???? Oh, because it's probably going in their pockets …
Simply too many politicians on both sides know nothing but how to lie and look out for themselves. I certainly hope we can expose this to others and vote the liars out of office. If private business leaders used the skills, tactics and gimmicks used by the politicians, they'd go to jail and suffer the wrath of civil lawsuits. We have to hold the politicians accountable, and I thank BigGovernment, its bloggers, and all those with insightful comments for illustrating what is really going on. Thanks to the pressure of real, everyday Americans, even my Senator Barbara Boxer may have problems being re-elected (she is one of the biggest and best liars out there).
With props to the late Richard Pryor … "lyin' mother-ucker"
Why in the hell do we have to have a bill passed to "…move quickly to begin identifying waste…"???
What is the huge beauracracy that WE pay doing?
Corporate America wouldn't put up with this crap, and "we the people" shouldn't either!!!!
The big brains are running the profitable small businesses around the country. They have values and wouldn't lie to make a buck off of the taxpayer!
Will he sign off that he will be held personally responsible if it turns out he is full of it as we all know he is? Something tells me he and the rest of the progressives in this administration wouldn't be saying this if there would be future repercussions coming for misleading the American People!
As a small business owner for 25+ years, I can tell you that if I took that logic to my banker and asked for a temporary loan, they'd have me locked up and close my accounts! It's been my experience that a bank won't lend money when you need it…and is "johnny on the spot" to give you loans when you don't need them….I say make the government play by those same rules! Prove you can finance it without more tax/premiums/monitization or whatever you want to call the stealing of our dollars and then we'll talk about the taxpayers 'loaning' you any more! Idiots all.
But they told us this administration would be different! They would not use time-honored budget gimmicks to get things approved, because they were going to be the most ethical administration ever. They were not going to use trickery to appear fiscally responsible.
If everything changed with Obama's election, how is it that Orszag could make such statements?
Sunshine, you have the best idea yet. and also Calls on the Field, that is simply to straightforward for any devious person whose agenda is to destroy freedom and greatness to understand.
and my ass crack doesn't sweat on a hot summer day
Obama's mouths say the republicans proposals are just drops, but as anyone with a leak knows that bucket fills by drops. The math used would get my son a failing grade, my Executive branch of government is not smarter than a 5th grader.
You nailed that one.
Anyone with even a small brain, or even half a brain, works in private industry. Decent people no longer want their reputations sullied, nor their hands dirtied, with the nasty business of politics.
Truthfully, this class issue is reversed. They look down their condescending noses at US, considering US the great unwashed. It needs simply turned around, and a caste system needs put in place. The servant class being our elected officials. They are there to serve US, at our pleasure.
It is time to change the perspective, and shift the paradigm,
For the same foolish reason we are circularized to send money to a group that promotes reduction of government waste.
But that's the job of the Congress.
Why should we have to pay for such a campaign? Simply change the Congress.
Obamao's thinking is to steal $1 trillion from Medicare in the second 10 years in order to pay down the deficit by $1 trillion. The reasoning behind that is the premiums paid by the 30-50 million people forced onto the Medicare rolls will fill the cracks left after the $1 trillion is deducted. In other words, they are doing kindergarten math here.
And do not forget that the CBO did NOT say that the second 10 years of this proposal would reduce the deficit!
This LIE by Harry Reid was DEBUNKED by the CBO.
I find it interesting to see Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and now Orzag repeat this blatant LIE started by Harry Reid!
Of course, it always saves the taxpayers money when we have to create yet another giant bureaucracy. The government workres' massive wages, benefits galore, pensions, 'training' in tropical paradise vacation spots, those things are always free to the American taxpayer.
& even if they're not, government workers always put it back into the democratic campaign funds, so it's worth it, right?
Oh yeah, democrats are only here for us.
Even with this tactic, the only reason the bill shows any surplus at all is the inclusion of incremental revenues for social security ($50+ billion)
Is this so-called savings due to more people being denied health coverage under this plan, and since they would then die earlier, SS payments are not necessary?
Just asking….
Throw the bums out!
off topic: Breaking news…NY Eric Massa is resigning….another Dem out….
I love the "Loser" symbol he is not so secretly flashing us, says it all.
"The purpose the tried-and-true gimmick described above is to make a proposal that adds to long-term deficits appear fiscally responsible."
That is called cooking the books. Full stop. Does ANYONE remember Enron?
I, and almost all of you would get fired for this and possibly arrested with FRAUD charges filed.
Tell us about how fannie mae is risk free again Mr. Orszag. Moron!
Let's say that this piece of legislative scum does save $130 billion over ten years. When you factor in that our monthly interest payment on the debt is $150 billion PER MONTH, tell me where the savings are again.
To further quote the late, great Obi-wan Kenobi, "Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?"
So, if the savings can happen immediately, why aren't they implementing them now?
Start with Medicare and Medicaid. Show us the money.
Insurance companies have been practicing managed care and fraud audits for decades now. You think you can do better?
Things must not be going well in Peter's social life.
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Good point. They should be all over this.
Funny picture. I feel sorry for his wife!
If he took off his stupid looking toupee and kept his pecker in his pants maybe he could think straight!!!!!!!!!!!
This is just a fast talking out the side of his mouth nerd, he gets his head handed to him by Judd Gregg in this video…
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/judd...
http://vodpod.com/watch/2967195-peter-orszag-defe...
Here he blows smoke up the wazoos on fox and friends till it comes out their ears.
Americans are stupid. If we weren't, we would be in this mess.
"Blah,blah,blah,blah" Be sure to pay your taxes!
Peter Orszag wears a rug. 'nuff said
I remember when this picture of Mr. Orszag was taken. He was responding to a question about the estimated length of his growing nose.
Oh Jings, I think that the young vote drank the kool-aid served up in a hip manner. I know my 2 20 somethings did. Now they have both apologized and support the Tea Party efforts and have vowed not to be wooed by the hype again. We have hope in the coming November to Remember! Then we will see a wailing and gnashing of the progressive teeth!
Glad someone else noticed that, I'd like to rip that rug
off his head & shove if where the sun don't shine.
"There are three kinds of lies; Lies, Damn Lies and,Statistics"
Mark Twain
I agree 100% but… Cowboy be careful of that last phrase it makes me nervous. Everytime I here of a shift in the paradigm I check my wallet. Everyone of the stock market adjustments( crashes) were prefaced with brilant talking heads telling us not to worry there is a shift in the paradigm. LOL
Peter you are a real jackass.Do you really think that the government will save 500 billion over 10 years with medicare fraud reduction.And what about the high taxes on people and businesses,I guess that has nothing to do with the savings in the furture budgets.Let me ask you one question.Are you a Jewish bolshevik.I would think so and that scares me.
This whole thing about fraud and waste must be much deeper than it appears. Somebody must be making a lot of money from the fraud and waste. Do you suppose it is the politicians? Otherwise, why haven't they already stopped it!!!
Did this guy serve in the Israeli military along side Rahm Emanuel by any chance? Bernanke?
Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, makes you a duck! Peter Orzag is a duck, and do really trust the guys who oversaw the financial meltdown with their magic math, let alone let Madoff get away with his BS for years? No, I didn't think so.
Why this country keeps installing moral relativists in office, then is surprised when they get screwed, is the real question.
WE need to define what the term "term limits" means for our congressional representatives:
1 term: OK
2 terms: You're at the limit
3 terms: Allowed only if the 3rd term is served in Thompson, Illinois working with the last 3 Illinois governors.
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Legislation that fixes our woes, takes good care of us, lowers the deficit and is not just some gimmick?
I only had one nerve left, and he just got on it!
I just want ANYBODY to tell me the last time the government did ANYTHING within ANY KIND of budget, as compared to what they talked about!!! Please……….just ONE!!!!! I'm self-employed……….I'm a 'businessman'…
although I wouldn't brag about it!!! There are SO MANY people and agencies that demand a 'piece of my action' that I'm lucky to have anything left to pay my OWN damn bills!!! And DON'T start talking about insurance companies – who are in the pack of leeches – because they are in bed with the government…….regardless of what FUBO and the rest of these thieves and liars would like you to believe!!! But………..even if I DID subtract the insurance companies from the mix……..I'd STILL have numerous other obstacles to deal with that pertain to all forms of government……………and I can't really tell you what they do for ME!!!! Oh………sorry………..I guess I should'nt be so selfish!!!
Orszag………Axelrod……..Emmanuel…..Reid…..Pelosi….the list goes on……….these posers have NEVER done a GODDAMN thing in the 'real' world…………..they are ALL bloodsuckers……
Mr Orzag, with all due respect, your opinion no longer holds credibility.
Taking any child care classes?
It is astounding how many people do.
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AND…. a good liar won't give details
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The insurance companies are drooling that they might be able to use the power of the govt., the IRS, to collect premiums, instead of having to do that in the free market. The govt. can impose much more severe penalties than compaines in the private sector are legally allowed to.
A liar with a small member I gather?
True story…………..and they won't even mind FUBO standing up there, gazing above his loving masses, head swaying back and forth , telling all of the sheeple that the insurance companies are trying to rip us off, but not to worry, because HE's got our back!!! He just didn't say WHICH portion of our backside!!!!!
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Hey, Peter. It's with the right hand, and it goes on your forehead.
Wow!! The economics must surely be indefensible if this is the best Dhoff can do.
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Congrats on the awakening of the kids. I wish we were all so lucky.
My ex is an admitted Socialist (prompting the divorce) and my stepson is leaning to our side, finally.
It's truly amazing how ignorant of American history the younger people are.
As with everything coming from the administration, this is bullshyte from another lieing POS. This will end starting in November and will culminate in the overthrow of this marxist regime by We the People, either with ballots or bullets.
The disgusting reality is that Orszag is still employable after he leaves the CBO.
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