What MSM Won’t Tell You: Doctors Are Challenging Government Health Care-and the AMA
by Matt LatimerAttempting to enact his big-government health care scheme, President Obama and his supporters frequently claimed that a “majority” of doctors supported his health-care plans. When the American Medical Association – which had opposed HillaryCare – signed onto Obama’s plan last year, the organization seemed to make the President’s case. Most people assumed that the AMA represented most of the doctors in the country. But in fact, the AMA represents less than 20 percent of all physicians in the United States. And yet as the organization’s leadership moved more to the left, it held a near monopoly on media attention on issues pertaining to public health. No longer.

As the AMA has become increasingly politicized in recent years – issuing a statement in support of climate change, for example, in 2008 – a new group of doctors has risen to challenge them. Like other anti-statist groups that have risen in opposition to the Obama-Reid-Pelosi agenda, Docs4PatientCare are challenging the AMA’s stranglehold on health care matters, just as other groups once challenged the right of the left-leaning American Bar Association to determine what judges are and are not qualified for the United States Supreme Court. How Docs4PatientCare managed to barge its way into the closed-door meetings of Washington offers a lesson to other groups seeking to have a voice in their federal government.
Founded by Dr. Hal Scherz, a prominent Atlanta physician, the group of doctors expressed concern that like so many other professional groups, the AMA’s leadership have been thoroughly “Washingtonized” – caring more about the pleadings of other lobbyists on K Street, White House invitations and Capitol Hill committee appearances than the professions they are supposed to represent. As doctors have taken a battering over several decades from insurance companies, HMOS, and government agencies, Scherz says the AMA was a bystander.
“As the insurance companies become more and more impossible and government intrusion keeps growing, we’ve seen our delivery of care to our patients compromised and our incomes decrease,” he said.
But it was the AMA’s support for ObamaCare that really troubled Scherz and others in his field.
Many doctors run small businesses and by nature are entrepreneurial. Why then, he wondered, would the AMA favor ObamaCare’s regulatory and taxation burden? Why would they want a multitude of government panels interfering with the decisions doctors usually make with their patients about care and treatment? Recognizing that the AMA was compromised, Scherz decided to organize his own group in opposition to the Obama plan.
He recalled how effective talk radio had been the year before in stopping the seemingly unstoppable immigration amnesty bill, and wondered if there was a way for him to get his voice heard on the air. In fact, Scherz was driving home one night when he heard talk show host Hugh Hewitt ask on the air, “Where are the doctors?” opposing ObamaCare in the health care fight. Scherz wanted to give him an answer. So when Salem radio brought a “road show” on Obama’s first 100 days to Atlanta last May, he decided to attend. Listening to Hewitt and other Salem talk show stars like Bill Bennett and Dennis Praeger again ask, “Where are the doctors?” Scherz waited patiently in a long line of people to give them his answer. But just as he reached the head of the line, the master of ceremonies shut down the mikes for the evening.
Undeterred Scherz called a fellow physician, Congressman Tom Price, and asked the Congressman if he would come address a group of doctors if Scherz could assemble them. Price agreed and when Scherz got 40 doctors in the waiting room of his office to discuss ObamaCare, the meeting ended with the doctors deciding to form an organization to it. They christened themselves Docs 4 Patient Care that night and put together enough money to hire an attorney, set up a business structure, and establish a website.
Growing past this initial cadre of supporters proved difficult, however. Scherz spent as much time as he could emailing and phone calling more doctors to join the effort, but the response rate was slow. So coming home one night from the operating room, he called the Hewitt show and got in on the call-in queue. Waiting on hold for two hours, he finally got on the air in the show’s third hour. Delighted to have his missing-doctor question finally answered, Hewitt spoke with Scherz for a lengthy period.
“Then Hewitt blogged about us and put us the website and that made all the difference,” said Scherz.
Having heard the doctor on Hewitt’s program, Salem Radio’s vice president of content, Lee Habeeb, a legendary talk show producer, booked him on other Salem shows including a co-hosting gig with Mike Gallagher in Dallas, Atlanta, and New York. “Mike and his show were coming on strong. So it was just the right moment. He made our group a focal point of listener interest and it really helped,” says Scherz. This led to television interviews, involving Scherz and other members of the group to get their message out, such as Fred Shessel, one of Scherz’s partners and vice president, Scott Barbour, a prominent orthopedic and sports medicine surgeon, and Todd Rubin, a local anesthesiologist who started making something of the website (www.docs4patientcare.org). One talk show listener and activist, Felicia Horton, asked to be brought on as volunteer executive director.
With their newfound growth and publicity, Docs 4 Patient Care made getting heard in Washington their next objective. Wearing their scrubs and white jackets, the doctors drew attention as they walked the halls of congress and spoke at rallies on Capitol Hill. Often just showing up in the offices of members of the House and Senate, they would manage to get appointments with the members themselves or key staff members.
One particular meeting that stuck out in memories was with the staff of Senator Olympia Snowe, the Maine Republican senator who was being heavily courted by Democrats in the hope of getting some bipartisan window dressing for the Democratic bill. The meeting was a long one by Capitol Hill standards and the Snowe staff kept bringing up the arguments made by Democrats on behalf of ObamaCare. But in the face of the doctor’s facts and experience the arguments didn’t stand up long. Schertz believes Docs 4 Patient Care may have helped make a difference in Snowe’s ultimate, and fateful, decision not to sign on to ObamaCare.
Another memorable incident cited by members of the group occurred when one of their members, Joyce Lovett MD, an African American female pediatrician, got the doctors into a meeting of the Congressional Black Caucus. A debate opened up over the health care plan and soon the doctors were text-messaging their colleagues visiting other offices around the capitol for reinforcements. As the room began filling up, the doctors, doing well in the back and forth of debate, seemed to be changing some minds. At that point, a worried Black Caucus leader and diehard partisan, John Conyers, broke up the meeting, saying the doctors were more interested in embarrassing the first black president than in achieving real reform. Unused to this sort of political attack, the astonished doctors told other caucus members how they felt after taking time from their practices and patients to come all the way to Washington only to hear a member of Congress insinuate they were racists. One caucus member privately dismissed Conyers’ “old ways of thinking,” suggesting that the CBC might be ready for fresh, and more innovative, leadership.
In addition to return trips to Washington over the next 4 months, Docs4PatientCare also helped organize physician led-rallies around the country with hundreds of doctors participating in Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, Indianapolis and Portland. The rallies proved crucial as the largely Atlanta-based group made new connections in taking on a national character. Jaime Ronderos MD, a prominent Texas anesthesiologist, who had already organized many of the doctors in his own state, folded his group in with D4PC. Also coming on board was Marc Neerhof, a perinatologist who is also on the faculty of the University of Chicago and a skillful op-ed writer. In addition, Reed Wilson, a well-known Los Angeles cardiologist with a business and political background became a board member. And finally, as the group showed its interest in working with all health care professionals, Joel Strom, a Los Angeles dentist and experienced coalition organizer agreed to head up an outreach program.
Only last month, the group had its inaugural board meeting in Atlanta where, in addition to making plans to increase their public and media presence, they inaugurated a fund raising program that would let them run a full-blown field operation in the elections this Fall. “We want to be out there in the states and let voters know which members of Congress put patient care second and voted for this power grab by Washington politicians,” said Scherz.
But, beyond this, Scherz and the other board members want Docs 4 patient Care to grow into what the AMA should have been. This means more than defeating ObamaCare. The group is non-partisan and anxious to work with all those who want to hear from Docs 4 Patient Care on the dangers of state-run medicine. With chapters recently up and running in several states, he sees growth ahead. That is likely discouraging news for the status quo world of Washington, D.C., but an inspiration for other Americans who see what their government is doing and want to offer an alternative.






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Short and to the point: Well, it's about freaking time–welcome Docs!
I can't wait 'til Mika and the other libs show up. Friday night lib trollin'. Ever notice how racist they are?
Another ting we haven't heard are the number of statesm lined up the challenge this Trotsktite plot if and when they jam this
TXDoc–I'm a doctor, bailed out of the AMA back in the '70s. They are more politicians than doctors, just self-seeking bureaucrats. These days whenever I get anything from the AMA, I just write on it: "Go to hell. You sold out!" and send it back.
Great article and great news!
If possible to take back a wonderful saying from besmirching due to a corrupt organization –
"Mighty oaks from little acorns grow".
A real 'We the People' movement.
welcome guest!
Have you been aware of Docs4PatientCare before now?
Obama's call to "work with Republicans" is such a farce. Notice they have moved ahead in merging the Senate and House bills. All Obama wants to do is cram this crap down the throats of all Americans even though a clear majority do NOT WANT IT! God bless the REAL doctors!
Wow! I feel better already. And no bill to pay. Thanks, docs!
Some concepts are percieved by altering perception, illusions to persuade, Jason like in getting up after shot down. BMI has not much to do with being health, but promoted by the government by being required in schools, and the tears from a frail 11 year old girl coming home sobbing she's fat unable to be consoled.
It’s great to see those who care for a living step up to the plate. John Conyer’s ment every word he said. The rest of the Black Caucus just WHITE- WASHED HIS REMARKS.[ooops is that racist too?] Conyer’s is in the league of Jesse Jackson[s] Al “Not So” Sharpton and the rest of the Black Caucus RACE PIMPS all of whom play the race card every chance they get. His remark is the perfect example!
THEY’RE what is wrong in the Washington conveyorbeltway of the African-American community entitlements instead of educating their communities on the merits of WORK as well as something better for all American’s and the NATION as a whole like the Fair Tax Plan—BILL no. HR-25 for example. Now that would be “Change” we could all believe in and OUR the ability to keep OUR own money every payday.
Maybe they should learn how to read and think first and foremost before opening their RACIST MOUTHS TO SAY MORE THAN AHHHHHHHHHHHH or nothing at all of any substance.
I’m a Grandfather of three Bi-Racial Grandchildren and it is clear to me that niether OBAMA, Conyer’s [his now crooked and convicted wife or any of the so-called Black Caucus gets it or gives a sh*t about their future. I will not allow them to get on the Black Caucus beltway of entitlements as long as I’m alive.
LIBERTY=FREEDOM—FINANCIAL FREEDOM=TRUE LIBERTY!
ABOLISH THE IRS AND REPEAL THE 16th AMENDMENT PASS THE FAIR TAX PLAN NOW!
slightly; I've noticed headlines here and there.
A little reality check for you losers.
"Democratic officials tell the New York Times that President Obama's health care proposal "was being written so that it could be attached to a budget bill as a way of averting a Republican filibuster in the Senate. The procedure, known as budget reconciliation, would let Democrats advance the bill with a simple majority rather than a 60-vote supermajority."
The bill will be posted online Monday in advance of the president's bipartisan health care summit on Thursday.
Said a Democratic aide: "It will be a reconciliation bill. If Republicans don't come with any substantial offers, this is what we would do.""
Who was that that mentioned bending over? Was is the three time divorced family values limp dicked drug addict Limbaugh?
Y'all better get realistic or you've done just that. Hand the health care reform bill over to Obama.
Elections have consequences after all, right?
Yes; each disease has a code designation, eg 290.14 for pneumonia (made-up example). They're all listed in a thick book. The AMA owns the book and its various revisions and makes money that way. That is the impetus behind "EMRs"–electronic medical records: streamlining paperwork, not improving patient care. Just yesterday a nurse-practitioner I work with said each patient now takes an hour total, most of that time spent pecking around on a touchscreen
I did meet a doctor from Arkansas that wasn't against Obamacare. I understood that
My local Doc who is very close to retirement told me that over 1/3 of what he made went to paying ins. Over 100k a year for family practice. He said frivolous law suits were the biggest problem. He also said he would retire if this heath care bill was passed. Is this pretty much the thinking of most Docs?
WE THE PEOPLE are 100 years behind Progressives in the propaganda game. They have their socialist tentacles in every aspect of our lives. This will take a while and I am afraid if we can turn the tide, we are going to be seeing a lot more SEIU and ACORN henchman.
In spades–most of you would be shocked out of your minds if you knew how much insurance/malpractice suits weigh on your doctor's everyday thinking. Most doctors under the age of about 45-50 have never known it any other way. We could all live nicely on the insurance premiums paid by such specialties as OB-Gyn, neurosurgery, etc. My son's brother-in-law, an OB in Dallas, pays over $200,000 yearly for malpractice insurance. Ponder for a moment how this may affect his everyday decisions, both in terms of money and avoiding trouble. He's a fine man but walking these ethical tightropes every day is a huge strain.
Good luck with that. This maneuver will fail too, just like every other sleazy effort has failed up till now.
The beautiful thing will be when it does fail, we won't be reading any more of your sniveling little diatribes, as you will most assuredly crawl back under the rock from which you came.
It's rather insidious how liberals run a lot of professional organizations. Even if the membership votes on leaders, it's the professional staff that really runs the show. I'm a corporate librarian and it's even overrun our organization. Oddly, they don't know why membership drops and they just keep raising the dues.
Of course, having the podium is all that really matters because they get to speak for the organization — no matter how few members are left
That's HILARIOUS, ArbAl (if I may)–I didn't expect that one and I'm still laughing! SERIOUS lib trolling.
Howdy, R.
Ironic, isn't it, that Mr Obama exerts so much effort into befriending foreign dictators and terrorists, and yet is so effortlessly despised by those of us here in the U.S. Come to think of it, that's one his few true accomplishments.
With "stupid" carved under or above it. That's their other pet word.
The last ones sure had consequences, and so will the one in November. That's why the reconciliation bluff will only make it worse.
Al Gores father was a racist segregationist who voted against civil rights. Democrats are all fakes. Socialism doesn't work, and there's no Santa Claus.
I'm from Atlanta and proud that two of my own doctors are among the original founders of this group! When I go to a doctor I always try to bring up Obamacare and ask the doc what his/her opinion is of socialized medicine, and they are all opposed. When I pointed out that the AMA supported Obamacare, and asked why, one of my docs told me that the AMA is mostly academics and not practicing physicians, so they tend to be pretty liberal. He also pointed out that most docs don't belong to the AMA. He told me that he's always been too busy managing his practice to get involved in politics, but that this issue is too important to sit on the sidelines any longer. Fortunately my Congressman, a former doctor, is also instrumental in the efforts of this group.
You're right. They seem to run phony organizations the way some crooks run shell corporations. They have much in common!
Alinsky influence.
Go for it guys. Still in a little bit of denial, huh?
I'll be around when the bill becomes law to listen to the whining.
We sure are behind them–those 'progressives' are, in reality, the 'regressives' since they'd have us move backward. See how bloody good they are by implying that their rap is state-of-the-art?
he's a uniter not a fighter
Not sure if it is the thinking of "most docs" but it is certainly the thinking of many past a certain age. My next door neighbor says she will retire and many of her doc pals will also. And then because of ethics, there are many who just won't talk about it but may well be planning to do so.
Sure he is. My mistake.
Earlier, I was following a 'discussion' you had with a liberal on another post–I was ready to call 911 for the poor guy (not really). To make a long story short, he was road pizza by the end of the thread and slunk away from the conversation with that liberal pre-recorded message about his belief that everyone's entitled to their opinion…uh, huh, so I copied the comment, titled it LEFTIST SPIN or something like that and reposted it–right out of the leftist manual that comment was. What's so twisted about these liberals is that they really do believe themselves, and I'm no longer sure whether to laugh or run.
Tx Doc. I was told malpractice reforms of sort were enacted in TX? Supposedly thousands of DOCs moved there?
I feel you Doctors have enough pressure because of the type of
work you do….I certainly don't think any of you should have to worry
about frivolous lawsuits…Good Luck Doc, I appreciate the work
you are doing for mankind..It takes "special" people that do your
kind of job!!
LOL…………………..they're all so damned indoctrinated and programed, that it isn't any longer a question of "do they really believe the crap the spew (? )", but rather, it's garbage in, garbage out. They see so word or other and just regurgitate the talking points they've been force fed, whether it fits or not.
Have you noticed how often the trolls hijack threads and don't realize that that's what they've done and are all in a tizzy when accused of the hijack ?
haha. I love that is now "political" to endorse climate change science. The fact is, whether you agree with it or not, there is sound science backing climate change and its existed since the late 60s and 70s.
Lumutz: climate change is real, and has always been real — from way before man walked the face of the Earth.
What is "political" is the overhyping of claims that human activity drives climate change — in order to convince us that we need to accept "power and control" of the elites right now or OMG we are all gonna die.
In the name of "the environment", DDT was banned on dubious evidence. As a result tens of millions of people in the Third World died of malaria. AGW is just more of the same.
And because the warmists kept harping on CO2, people will ignore the very real point that fossil fuel reserves are finite and that we'd better find alternatives before they become too precious as chemical feedstocks to be used as fuel.
Real science beats ignorance hollow. But junk science is worse than ignorance.
You have no original thoughts in that bloated head of yours. You should send Google a check for helping you spell reconciliation. Wait. You're a moron. You should send a check to the guy who wrote the "cut and paste" code. Said a Democrat aide? Are you fucking kidding? Aide to whom? Talking about bending over, how's Barry's little weener treating you?
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I think Obama may be remembered as the greatest unifier and community organizer this country has ever seen. He will be known for unifying the common people into taking back our constitutional freedoms. He has given us the motivation to organize the community into movements like the Tea Party, 9-12ers, Docs 4 Patient Care etc. He may actually accomplish his goal of fundamentally changing this country, just not in the way he envisioned. We may change back to a Republic of smaller government without the burdens we have on our backs now. We can always Hope for Change!
Hey lumutz did your parents tell you that after an acid trip. Back in the 90's Al Gore said there will be no more snow
because of global warming. Now the same ass hole is saying because of global warming we are getting snow.
So let me get this right, because of the earth heating up in the 90's we will get no more snow because it will be too warm. Now we are in a new millenunium warmer means snow? This is what your friends at Copenhagen are
saying now. If that is true why did the boss quit? face it the jig is up they know we know their full of shit. Why do you
think the mighty Al Gore is missing in action. I would be hiding too if i made un logical facts like that. Just face the
fact no one wants the Utopia you libtards want. Why don't all you libtards that want free everything at the cost of the tax payers dime, all get together find a island and live for free. But wait you guys would not know how to fend for your selves,because that would mean you would have to do some thing!!
Robert Conquest's Second Law in action: "Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left wing."
http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/2003/10/26/conquest...
If they cram it down our throats today we will cram it up their A$$ in November.
AND YOU CAN WRITE THAT ON YOUR PALM.
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Congress is NOT Included in the Health Bill!
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Oh lord! Don't give us any more big ACORNS…..LOL!! Good analogy!
No body pays any attention to the New Your Times…it's nothing more thnt a rag to line the bird cage with…NOTHING they write is of any truth or importance….
That's what will be carved on the trolls tombstones – "Racist".
Tx Doc. obviously you are someone who would have a better perspective on this issue than most, I will be watching for any info you might care to share with us on this matter, Thank You…
I do have a question if I may…I read somewhere that the AMA had some sort of 'Medical Code Billing' copyright or percentage of some sort and that is their overriding interest anymore, any truth at all in that?
I keep thinking about the 'white coat' White House photo op and the aides passing out the doctor coats. It was a 'Goebbels' moment.
I couldn't have said it any better. This is about alot more then heath care.
Strangely, the doctors that I know that I have been talking to personally about this one on one, do not support the Gov Health Care program. They run their own practices. One of them is basically going to retire and shut down, probably not able to sell his practice even now with any chance of something like it passing. One asked me, "do you like coming to your doctor's practice, getting the care you need when you need it? Because he won't be there if this passes. He won't be able to afford to, and you will need to get in line and live the life of a big HMO mega clinic style operation."
Yes, it was called Global Freezing.
What is worse is that this isn't any different to how many businesses and government agencies have to do business – lots of costs associated with limiting tort liability. And in the case of government, it is, of course, borrowed taxpayer money spent trying to stay out of court.
I mean, howdy Doc! I'm learning a tonight reading these comments. I had no idea how much the insurance cos. were raking in for med malpractice–now do most docs agree they're being fleeced or do think these rates are justified?
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Although we have held off the healthcare bill, for many cardiology practices around the country the current round of devastating medicare cuts means that it is too late. Look to have shortages of cardiovascular care in the very near future. Reportedly 50% of cardiologists have sold their practices to larger organizations, or are in the process of selling. Thousands are taking early retirement or moving into other areas of medicine.
The government knew that this round of cuts would make it impossible for us to keep our doors open; they also know that when people over 65 have poor access to necessary heart and vascular care that overall medicare costs will go way down. Having a family practice doc give you aspirin is always way cheaper than having a cardiologist talk to you about how surgery may prolong or improve your life.
If this were a fair world, congress would have as much difficulty getting cardiovascular care as medicare patients are about to experience. Too bad we can't make them live by the system they create. I see the Clinton got his stents and bypass surgery without delay.
Amazingly, the origins and purpose of all this chaos are predicted and accounted for in the prophetic, political Conspiracy Thriller book, BLACK ROAD 2012, which I bought on amazon, and was a real goose-bumpy, totally absorbing ride: http://tinyurl.com/amazon-BLACK-ROAD-2012
Wasn't that just the strangest thing you had ever seen? )!( seems to be able to turn even the most
dignified people into toadies for him……….truly AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
The heart clinic where i go sent out letters looking for donations to keep open certian services they offer. One hundred new bureaucracies to regulate this insurance reform and congress is exempt. 18 billion dollars was put in the stimulus for home weatherization ( caulk ,insulation ect) but had to be paid under the Davis/ Bacon act for prevailing wage,so far 9000 homes have been done at an average cost of 18,000 dollars with one home costing 60,000 dollars,and now they want to run health care.
Ragtop's on OUR side, max–read again, dude!!!
Our good buddy 'Anon' reminds us that….. "Elections have consequences…"
And consequences (New Jersey),..and consequences (Virginia),…. and consequences (Massachusetts),……..and,
These are the consequences of the 2008 election…. ay Anon???
I'm not a doctor, but even the AMA estimates the cost of malpractice insurance combined with defensive medicine at somewhere between $80 and $150 bilion a year.
I've spread a couple of those trolls over toast, myself, so there's no love lost here, believe me. They're getting nastier, too, and deserve to be pounced upon. What floors me is that when they run out of rhetoric and defend their arguments, they resort to even more rhetoric to spin themselves free–hilarious strategy and so, so spineless.
And I definitely notice the tail-spin when you ambushed him for trying to hijack the thread–I noticed too some others came in later to clean up, just in case he decided to drop in again–
No, you took care of business and flawlessly–well done.
Correct–we have had an influx of doctors from other states since that legislation was passed. Along with it was a strong Good Samaritan law which protects volunteers (such as myself) from damages unless the misbehavior was truly egregious, eg drunk on duty, doing something clearly outside your level of competence.
Thanks–I can testify that 'thanks' goes a long way. I carry a keychain given to me in 1973 by the family of a deceased patient and I still remember her because of that.
I think there may be a lot if they're financially able to do so. I'm at an age where I'm potentially a patient as much as a doctor–but not yet–and I'm getting a little worried. A few years ago, for no particular reason, I saw a string of doctors over about 14-15 mos. As we talked shop, it was depressing to see how low the level of morale is in my profession. It's sad.
Sorry, I was in attack mode after a couple of liberals tried to hijack a thread–
Oh, yes we can!!
They're monsters, then–any business raking in those kinds of profits are up to no good.
TxDoc, that is truly disturbing news to hear. It caught my attention when you stated you have a key chain from a deceased patient's family – I had done something similar when my Mother had suffered a massive heart attack – we had presented the surgeon with a crystal clock to say thank you for giving us more time with her. She passed 7 months later and I've always wondered if the doctor knew how much we appreciated those 7 months we gained with her as a result of his talent.
I admit I'm more than concerned about the medical profession as my child is set to begin college this fall with a desire to study medicine – she has been told my doctors that it is going be 'very very different for you by the time you graduate, and not in a good way'…..How can you keep a child's morale up before they've even set foot in a classroom?! As another poster here has done, I too say thank you, to you.
A sight for weary eyes . . .docs having a Tea Party!!!
**Yes, it really helps a lot. As my former once said, "You know, one 'thank you' lasts for years and cancels out 1000 'you dumbs**ts!!' ." Whenever I talk to someone with a loved one in ICU or anything serious I always mention how high the stress is on the doctor and beg them to, at least once, acknowledge that and say you really appreciate the effort.
**I don't know what to say, as I've had the same thing. It is a terrible thing to pour cold water on a young person's dream yet one of the kindest things you can do is offer sound advice. I never quite know what to say. Doctors probably get more sleep now but they're also more insulated from their patients (seems to me); on balance, is that good?
I know two young doctors right now who have told me they don't expect to pay off their educational loans for about 20 years, this in addition to daily expenses, malpractice insurance, taxes, college and retirement savings, etc. Their takehome is surprisingly low, considering their place in society. Again, my former partner: "I would love to make what the average bench-warmer in the NBA makes."
Both young doctors have said they wish they'd known how it would be financially (incidentally, they enjoy the work of a doctor, what we call "seeing patients") but money, hassles with Medicare, HMOs, etc are a constant aggravation.
So, what to tell your child? To boil it down, I'd suggest she consider a career in military medicine, the Uniformed Services med school or maybe some other arrangement. If she goes into surgery or something similar she will be appreciated, challenged, and making a difference. She will also have to travel and move and work in a huge bureaucracy. Don't know for sure that's the 'best' choice, not knowing her but it's what I've said to others. Medicine as I knew it as a young doctor seems to be over. Best wishes to her and I do hope she becomes a happy, rewarded person–we could probably use her, but I really don't know if she wants us.
When Obama says the nurses are on board with this plan as well – he is speaking about the ANA (American Nurses Association). This organization is also very left-wing comprising of only 10% of the nurses in this country. They state on their website that they believe health care is a "basic human right." They cannot keep memberships because they do not represent the views of the majority of nurses in this country. If you read some of the FAQs – they are basically non-answers – similar to how a politician would answer them on this issue
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http://nursingworld.org/MainMenuCategories/Health...
My ortho doc says if this passes he's going to find another line of work! How many others are thinking the same thing??
What original dialogue, 'anon.'
Sleazy is as sleazy does and you leftists accomplish little using any other means–and something else brainiac: if that bill becomes law, YOU and YOURS will suffer under it, too. So please continue on your trip over that cliff–
"A little reality check for you losers."
Indeed, tell us all about 'reality' and 'losers,' leftist–you, who follows the party that has never left the age of aquarius that ended some 50 years ago; the party of hippies without a cause (or a clue); the party who proposes to move the country backward, yet advertises itself under the pseudonym of 'progressives;' the party that claims to be 'for the people' while advocating the slaughter of it's own citizens; the party that labors to stomp upon, pervert, and by-pass the Constitution because it lacks the integrity and courage to understand it or respect it.
You're all no more than Eurotrash wannabees, so get lost, loser–and, if you can manage it, do that quietly.
Oh Contraire! The Constitution predates the Progressives by MORE than 100 years. The fact that they are still trying to destroy it tells me that we are WAY ahead of them. Like the rabbit in "The Tortise and the Hare", we have stopped to rest. Contrary to the moral of that story, slow and awkward never wins the race. The real moral of the story is that you only lose if you give up. I'm not seeing anyone giving up!
So, you're not gonna cry when Dimocrats won't get elected to anything better than dogcatcher for the next forty years…?
I've noticed a new trend, anon…a lot of Dimocrats who won't retire, (and there's a LOT of those lately…if you're team is doing so well, why run away?) are now DYING…people screaming about "Global Warming" are buried in snow storms for a week at a time…you get a full House, Senate, and Executive, and you still can't get anything done…
With that kind of success, you may want to get used to being losers for the next few decades…
2010 is here…tick, tock…tick, tock…tick, tock…
Bring it…
I'm ready,…time for us Conservatives to either Nut Up or Shut Up…and I NEVER shut up…
Formerly working in the “lower end”(nursing assistant) medical profession, I have known many medical professionals being injured for life working in this profession. The government also, knows this as bodily injury rate is higher than construction workers. I have no problem in telling freinds or family NOT to work in this field. Our government ONLY CARES about the “money” they can make or take from insurance companies. NOBODY cares how “healthcare is delivered.” I don’t care if it’s the ONLY job available-don’t do it! You’re much better off working in fast food as an example. The health industry is BROKE in many ways! Most facilities(nursing homes) have the nursing assistant/patient ration 1 to 8/9 patients. Some even higher-I have heard UP to 15. I TELL people-set your alarms for the most 15minutes. Try to get yourself ready in those 15 minutes. That’s the LIFE of a resident. The State of Oregon has made it LAW -1 NURSING Assitant per 7 residents-where’s the NEWS on this??????? I will NOT let my daughter enter this horrible field. And, I say this statement from “the current healthcare delivery system.” If you have a family member in a facility-start asking questions. I “coin” this as “true freinds don’t let you become a nurse, nursing assistant, emt.” (Freinds don’t let freinds drive drunk). I am injured permanently for LIFE from working in this field-belive me I won’t STOP speaking out!
I plan to cram it up in November whether they pass this or not…
Times up, payment due…
We need to do some things to fix health care …BUT if you have a flat tire you DO NOT BUY A NEW CAR….These jerks want to change the whole system…..the damn bill should only be 10 pages long…….
Okay.
Here's what WE do…
We promote http://www.docs4patientcare.org to our physicians…give them a voice in gratitude for their support in our care…and ask that those who can take up the cry against socialized medicine…
We draw out the other lib organizations, (American Academy of Pediatrics; American Nurses Association, etc.), and ask the folks at docs4patientcare to help either associate other members in the health care industry with them, or assist the other associations with their own groups…
So, all of you folks in Health Care…this is your moment…time for everyone to say "No" to this all together, or there won't be anyone left to care for people at all…
WE CAN STOP THIS…but its really going to take WE to do it….
Doctors probably get more sleep now but they're also more insulated from their patients (seems to me); on balance, is that good?…
Medicine as I knew it as a young doctor seems to be over.
Amen, TxDoc. I was an echocardiographer for many, many years and retired at 62 in 2007 when my hands just gave out. But the bigger reason was the new docs coming onboard. The practice of medicine has changed so radically in 10 years that I hardly knew what to do as a patient-oriented type person. I encourage everyone I know to have an advocate with them when hospitalized now.
I love doctors, who else goes to school for ever then spends most of their adult life wading around in foul smelling places while helping their fellow man? They should be paid handsomely for their efforts. My doctor friends tell me they generally don't have outrageous expectations regarding income but earnings restlessness has been brewing for a few years now as lawyers, insurance companies, and the feds have chipped away at their margins. As a group they have now awakened, like the rest of us, as the mathematics of the deal starting looking "wonky"…
"Let's see now, I am going to go into debt over a period of 10 to 12 years (unless I'm a privileged minority); waste my 20's when my pals are "wasted" and having fun; and maybe earn $100K when I'm 30… half of which will go to debt service."
Like most citizens, Doctors are smart, they know a sucky deal when they see it.
Ironically, Obama might actually succeed in doing what no other President has been able to achieve…Return States Rights to the States! By "rahming" through his health care agenda he is forcing States to take back their rightful authority. The threat of withholding federal funds from the States is a hollow one as we are ALL so close to going over the financial cliff anyway.
If things keep up at this pace, we may well see a States-led national tax revolt. The backlash against unions has already begun. When people begin to realize that they will never get their social security investments back there is going to be some form of response. I just hope that State Governments take the lead on it instead of leaving it to the masses. If they don't, it will get dangerously ugly very fast.
Did anyone else notice the people in the photo all have long coats (indicating they are actual physicians)?
I would chime in here too. I am a family physician and it's not just the specialists who don't trust this current healthcare bill. I've been following it from day 1 and every move seems to be to expand governmental control and not truly be out for the "lower and middle class to expand health coverage" as told by this administration.
For us new docs, "finding another line of practice" is not an option. We have 150 to 250K debts we're sitting on. I didn't start making any real money until the age of 32 (unlike my brother who entered the work force at 21). When I hear my friends or patients who assume that any doc who opposes reform wants to protect his/her own "monetary gain" is absurd. No one feels the pain of lack of access to care for many americans than a Primary Care provider, such as myself. (more)
1) I do think some sort of reform is needed. Insurance is too expensive and many people are losing their jobs. But is Government run programs the answer? Well lets look at Federal programs that exist, like Medicare and Medicaid. How are they doing? They're going bankrupt. So what makes us have faith that more Federal programs will solve the problem? Not to mention they only pay practices 60-70cents on the dollar. (more)
2) CMS (medicare) already runs our practices and how much we can charge per service. All the insurance companies already follow their decisions on what a certain service is worth. It's all based on the RVU (relative value units) that they decide. Why is it that you can charge close to the same to remove ear wax or a 30 second treatment with liquid nitrogen as a standard office visit? (more)
3) And it does seem like it's all cost driven and not really to treat the patient. For example, many of my medicaid patients have chronic low back pain. What they need is physical therapy to strengthen their core. Yet, medicaid where i live won't cover PT for the most part. They will pay for Vicodin and Percocet however without questioning. Getting an MRI and Neurosurgery to fix a severely herniated disk with nerve compression? Good luck. Get in line at the State University hospital and hope they chose your case. They keep talking about preventative care instead of the letting diseases get out of hand and end up costing alot of money in the Emergency rooms. I laugh out loud. Wait… did you know Medicare and Medicaid programs don't cover or pay for Annual Physicals for adults? Medicare won't even always cover a screening DEXA bone density scan UNLESS it shows osteoporosis. So how is that disease prevention?
4) Yes, we do consciously and sometimes unconsciously practice defensive medicine out of fear of frivilous lawsuits. That is seen even more in our Emergency Rooms. Patient's need rights to sue for gross negligence, but there has to be a limit to what is acceptable. The way medical malpractice is written is basically guilty until proven innocent. In a nation where someone can murder someone can be acquitted because of some crafty lawyers creating an incling of doubt… OB's are constantly being forced to payout or at least settle for any baby who is born with any sort of problem. Thus, if there's even a question of concern in a baby's tracing… the OB will jump to a crash C-Section.
5) If people want true universal healhcare, get ready to pay crazy taxes. Who's going to pay for the multi-billion dollar health care reform plan that still leaves millions uninsured?
Thank you doctor's for standing up the American people. I attended my House of Representative's Meeting with Seniors and most of these seniors have no idea what our Democratic Representatives stand for in this Healthcare Fight. They look at Representative John Larson as someone who is fighting for them because he has been in the House for years and lived in CT for years. They don't see Obama lying to people because they only listen to NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN PBS, or MSNBC and get news that is one sided. We have to get to the SENIORS in communities and talk with them. Please talk with as many as possible and present the facts to them.
On the "death care" bill that The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers is preparing to Rahm-Down our throats…
Congress has no constitutional authority to impose the purchase of any specified "service or product" as a condition of our constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties..
Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3 provides that: "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law will be passed."
This clearly amounts to a bill of attainder whereas it applies to the purchase of goods or services in exchange for "RIGHTS", not allowed period.
What's next requiring people to eat Brussels sprouts in order to vote?
This will go down in the Supreme Court if it is jammed down our throats solely on the fact that it imposes undue burden upon civil liberties…
You may 'think' Obama represents these fine things that you're erroneously attributing to him, but his intentions are just the opposite–he's not a unifier; to the contrary, he and his cabinet work overtime to divide this country, and, if you haven't noticed, to undermine your freedoms, one at a time. We will change back to a Republic of smaller government, when the likes of Obama and the liberal left are removed from government–or work FOR the people rather than dictate to them.
Hope and Change are the gimmicks used by the Obama cabinet–what they're delivering is despair and chaos.
I work in an ICU and have spoken to several MDs about this. None of them want this health care bill passed. One of them even said she would leave the profession for good.
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That very subject of military medicine had come up before – she considered it as has her cousin. I appreciate you taking the time to respond and share. I know the costs associated with 'seeing patients' is completely out of control and that alone has dampened her enthusiasm, which is so unfortunate. I can only imagine how many other young bright talented kids are re-thinking their decision.
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