Media Matters Criticizes Study Without Even Looking at It
by Mike Flynn
Admittedly, Media Matters doesn’t have a deep well of credibility, but even I was shocked by the sloppiness of this hack-attack yesterday. Their headline:
Nate Silver takes the Hot Air out of Cato’s stimulus attack
And opening line:
Right-wing blogger Allahpundit put some Hot Air behind a piece of Cato Institute research that sought to attack stimulus spending as unfairly tilted in favor of Democratic congressional districts.
Except, you know, it wasn’t a Cato study. It was a Mercatus Center study. If Media Matters had even bothered to look at the actual study, pausing just a few moments from launching their attack, they would have seen that. Here is the study, technically a ‘working paper,’ but the title page is very clear, Mercatus Center: George Mason University.
Media Matters also identifies the study’s author, Big Government Contributor Veronique de Rugy, as a “Cato Scholar.” But, their own link for de Rugy makes it clear that she is a senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center and used to work at Cato. AKA, in the past. Does Media Matters even follow their own links?
Sure, these may seem like minor points, but getting obvious facts so completely wrong is indicative of the drive-by, hit-and-run style of analysis employed by Media Matters.
There is, actually, a much more substantial error on their part.
They close their political hit on de Rugy with this jewel:
Occam’s Razor says that given two competing theories, the simpler explanation is better. But Occam didn’t account for the fact that the simplest explanation often gets in the way of a good old right-wing conspiracy theory.
To Media Matters, anyone who disagrees with them is “right-wing” and obviously peddling a “conspiracy theory.” Really, Media Matters? There isn’t room for an honest intellectual disagreement? In your worldview, de Rugy, who received a PhD in Economics from the Sorbonne, is just some right-wing partisan hack simply because you disagree with her conclusion? Nate Silver, on whose critique of de Rugy’s study you hang your entire study, certainly doesn’t agree with you.
Media Matters must have missed the very civil debate between de Rugy and Silver. (They responded to each other throughout the day.) From Silver’s second response:
Veronique de Rugy has issued a fairly gracious response to my critique of her study on the disbursement of stimulus funds, the crux of which was that she had failed to account for a variable (the presence of a state capital) that was extremely important in predicting the allocation of stimulus funds (because much of the money is intermediated by state governments).
Most importantly, she has promised to evaluate some of my concerns and to re-run her analysis. This is terrific — and she is to be commended for her responsiveness. de Rugy is also to be commended for having released portions of her dataset** on the Mercauts Center website (something which she had done originally).
And, this:
She says it wasn’t and I take her at her word, particularly given her fairness and transparency in responding to me. But I don’t really see raising the possibility that the bias was deliberate as being particularly “inflammatory” — it was manifestly a *possibility*, given how obvious the design flaw was relative to how smart and capable de Rugy obviously is.
The respected IBM Center for the Business of Government noted the back-and-forth in a post titled, “A Civilized Debate”:
The exchange is worthy of attention because it highlights two great points:
1) We really like seeing smart people getting past their initial suspicions of each other in order to begin hammering out some fundamental questions about the quality of Recovery.gov data and potential issues in the stimulus package itself.
We’ll never get very far in understanding what works and how well it works if we can’t get to points of basic agreement across partisan or ideological aisles about the ground rules of analysis. This civilized debate underscores how partisan and toxic much of the discussion over the stimulus (and other recent government plans) has become.
“…how partisan and toxic much of the discussion…has become”? Sounds like they’re very familiar with Media Matters.






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Facts be Darned! This is not surprising at all. Nothing the left does is supported with fact! The left is WELL documented in making things up to support their cause. The left is radical and without civility.
When the hate flies on the left, the Main Street Media does not show it. This is the hate and vitriol of the Leftist haters.
http://www.youtube.com/user/taylorlcx#p/f
Typical lefties. Always "my way or the highway," and don't worry about silly little things like "facts".
They won't get called on it. They don't care what is said on this site, or any other of Breitbart's. The MSM won't say anything about it, and Fox News is just the Mouth of Sauron, where they're concerned. Good work, Mike, but as the old adage goes, you can lead a person to truth, but you can't make them care. Or something like that.
Democrat educated / Democrat trained …. nuff said …..
Is anyone surprised? This is what they do just like Congress more or less create catchy title, load it with crap and ram it down the zombies throat that will accept and preach it. No one will speak of this in the MSM since they all watch each others back.
I say go after them with cameras in hand ask them questions and when they refuse to answer stand your ground and continue to ask. Get them angry and heated while maintaining your cool. Believe me they will break and say what's really on their mind BAM you got it on cam to post all over the net. Take the gloves off folks don't be afraid to be labeled a dirty player by those who wrote the book on dirty play. STOP playing their game and start playing your game through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Mr. Flynn never addresses the main point of the Media Matters piece that de Rugy did not provide any statistical controls to establish a cause and effect relationship in the data and some Democratic conspiracy to funnel stimulus money to Democratic districts. But that didn't stop the right wing echo chamber from jumping on the study to make exactly that political point.
There could be any number of reasons for the discrepancy in distribution, like Republican politicians refusing stimulus money to make a political point. It was great red meat for the base, but terrible policy.
Media Matters – getting the !sdrawkcab stcaf -it's what they do…
Sooooooo,………'while Rome burns' we're supposed to wait for the egg-heads to debate the fine
points of the various bills that have been passed against our better judgment? Great delaying
tactic, but ain't gonna' happen. We will not be stalled from taking our country back, hear me
oHugo?
it's a lot easier to take someone serious when they make an effort to get the basics right. If you can't even get the name of the place right, don't expect anyone to read the rest of what you write.
They spew there venom with out even checking there facts???? wait this was the LEFT… I find that hard to believe…/SARC
Didn't Media Mutters get they silkies in a bunch over the "error-filled" book Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi. What errors, you ask? Why, Jerome confused a preface with a foreword! MM are real sticklers for that sort of thing.
Well, some of the time.
Okay, at first I was watching and thinking "Really? We are losing to these fucking idiots?". My heart sunk. I mean, if we can't beat people that seem to have an average IQ of about 70, how will we ever restore the American REPUBLIC? Then, after a minute or so I realized that no, we are NOT losing to THESE people, we are losing to the puppet masters that use and manipulate these morons.
And that guy at the very end? Clearly he has no clue what words mean, or he would not have said that.
Thanks for the link…
Hey nice try Mike but you left out some important parts. First they called it a piece of Cato Institute research, because the author is a Cato Institute "scholar." Also if you had read the title page of the report you would have seen this: "The ideas presented in this research are the author’s and do not represent official positions of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University." So as you can see it is not a "Mercatus Center" report, it is the author's paper. I think MM's characterization holds up just fine. Now if you could start with your problems with Nate Silver's conclusions about state capitals that favor Dems, gee…that'd be swell.
The answer to your question is easily proven by Statistical Analysis 101,…………….but anyway,…………..
You are overlooking the real issue as result of your blind obsession of being critical of Republicans.
Printing 850 billion dollars with one quick stroke of an pen,……….and than,……….
spending it without one shred of accountability for at least one red cent spent,……………….
that is what should concern you there Mickey,……………..
"Republican politicians refusing stimulus money,…………………"
Hell Mickey that's the only good part of this entire stimulus incident,……………and still,………..
you turn it into a negative
Media Matters IDed Veronique de Rugy as a Cato scholar because Allahpundit did.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/31/analysis-de...
That first sentence of Allahpundit's is probably why they called the report a Cato Institute report as well. So Media Matter is guilty of not fact-checking everything Allahpundit said. Shame on them.
Occam's Razor also assumes both possibilities equal explain a result. Thus if the "rightwing conspiracy" actually more fully explains something than you can't apply Occum's Razor to an insufficient 'leftwing conspiracy' and claim victory. The competing theories must first be in balance of evidence.
If theory #1 says John is guilty of murder based on evidence A (seen at the crime), B (owns the murdering gun), C (has motive), and D (was overheard saying he'd kill). And theory #2 says John is innocent of an action based solely on evidence Q (he's nice to kittens). You do not get to apply Occum's Razor because the evidence is in favor of theory #1, even though it's the more complex explaination.
If media matters quality of reporting has declined (even further) of late, it's probably due to an influx of recently unemployed acorn workers to their payroll.
But their readers won't care, or notice. There's no accountability anymore in journalism.
Nate Silver himself only says de Rugy is from George Mason. Perhaps more attention to the Silver article and less on Media Matter's reliance on Allahpundit's research skills would be in order here:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/study-clai...
so, by your argument- Yale agreed with the necessity of overthrowing Sadam's Iraq.
After all Bush was Yale eduacted.
If you read the story you would see that she is already working on Nate's agrument and welcomed his critique.
Now go away you sad little troll.
yea I took it (honeslty) and wow …. I actually gave him high marks for Iraq (only because he is staying clear of that) also good marks for Afgan … just keep up the bombing ….
Funny John.
Everything Soros touches turns queer.
Mikatollah belongs to the party of the englightened, I mean just look at the bright bulbs they have speaking for them.
Democrat Rep. Hank Johnson worries loading too many people onto Guam could capsize the island
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/0...
The worst error they made was when they claimed that her results were admitted to be not statistically significant. That's either a lie or they misunderstood what Allah was saying in summarizing her findings.
O.K. GF, you made me look. And I thank you for it.
Yes people, watch the link. Then give Obamanable and GaltFan the thumbs up.
AND CAN WE PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS?! PRETTY PLEASE. JUST IGNORE THEM.
Enjoy your Easter Holiday.
Media Matters works for this guy
"Democrat Rep. Hank Johnson worries loading too many people onto Guam could capsize the island"
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/0...
You could not make this stuff up if you tried.
thanks John… that was a good laugh!!!
You mean they did not fact-checking "anything"
Facts dont matter, only the outcome matters, as a good little lefty I would have thought that would have been drummed into your tiny little head at your indoctrination.
Dim-o-crats
Thanks Sis, took it and and had a good laugh at the results … until I realized the joke was on us and nothing funny about it.
Best logical argument of the day. Thank you, Dan.
Apparently you are not much of a reader either.
>> That’s the word from Cato scholar Veronique de Rugy
Which she is. That does not mean the report came from the Cato institute, what it does mean is that Media Matters did not read the report or they would have seen this quite easily.
Kind of the point of the whole article here, sorry you missed it, not surprised though.
Media Matters,NOT… They will go the way of Air America,Acorn & Obama & company. The minute daylight is shed on them they go away like a vampire.More light is being shed daily.They cannot perpetrate their agenda in light so they lie, call names, distort, bribe,connive.They are getting really p#$$ed because we are finally paying attention.They will accelerate,but they won’t win.We know how to come back at them now. We love America and our freedom. They love government to care for them and tell them how and what to think. Their are more of us………..
You are just going to confuse the trolls, they have not yet gotten past "ABC" in the can you sing along with me portion of their educations.
You have D in there, and Q is not after D, they will puzzle over this for hours.
Just a quick little insult to demonstrate displeasure and then it's off to something completely irrelevant to the discussion topic. For credibility's sake, let's try and focus.
If you make a point I might.
For instance, media matters did not bother reading the report (obviously) and instead just claimed victory based on a rebuttal from someone that they think agrees with them.
Now, what were you saying about an echo chamber?
POINT FAIL – Is that focused enough for you?
You are an amusing little troll, your masters (in the post above) are actually brighter than you are, which scare the heck out of your employer … I mean if you had one.
Now you're saying that Mike Flynn, the author of this post, is wrong? He says that de Rugy USED to be at Cato, and she's not any longer. Now you're saying she's still there. Which is it?
Now you're saying that Mike Flynn, the author of this post, is wrong? He says that de Rugy USED to be at Cato, and she's not any longer. Now you're saying she's still there. Which is it?
Yeah, my opinon was pretty similar to yours. Mid-marks in Iraq, I actually gave him a B for Afghanistan, which was probably high, but we're still there and we need to be there til we're done. But based on the majority grade, it proves that it is possible to please none of the people all of the time.
I think you missed the whole point, the fact that they read that she was a cato scholoar (she is) and then jumped to the CONCLUSION that the report was a cato institute report pretty much shows they never even READ the report which STATES quite clearly that the report was not FROM the cato institute.
They dont care what's in the report, all they care about is doing damage control for the Administration.
Do you hear us now troll?
Sounds like another job for Retracto if you ask me …
mika is a troll who defends people like harry reids egg throwers. If you would like to read about that just follow my stream its on the first page.
Still missed the point, still try and shift the argument, still a leftist troll Joey.
Adjunct Scholar — http://www.cato.org/people/veronique-derugy
… Visiting and adjunct faculty are established scholars or experts in their fields from other
institutions, governments, and/or organizations. They remain under obligation to their
employers and may receive financial support from their institutions, governments, and/or
organizations. They do not receive salary or wages
She does not take money from them anymore … duh duh duh … any of this getting into your skull yet?
My point was pretty clear. The entire post was nothing more than a swipe at Media Matters and did not even try to deal with the substance. The author's accusation that they didn't read the study is nonsense… and it doesn't get any better when you parrot the same thing.
I don't amuse you. I infuriate you. Let's see if we can go for the hat trick on the insults. I'm betting we can.
Thanks BigDadio. I'm sure I got quite a few people to watch that link. Disgusting!
I am deleting this comment, but my guess is what got you was my tease of:
"And that guy at the very end? Clearly he has no clue what words mean, or he would not have said that."
Very intentional. Glad you watched too…
And that guy at the end better hope it never comes to violence or he will find out very fast that a petty thug is no match for a trained, dedicated patriot.
Yes, stop feeding them. Ridicule and roast! Stop taking the bait and falling for the switch!
I defended egg throwing? I'm too nice a guy to call you a liar, but not too nice to ask you to show us where I did that…
Well I guess everyone can read it for themselves and make up there own mind….troll
Kyle, in the words of Homer Simpson
"Facts…Pffft, whatever. People can use so called facts to prove anything thats even remotely true"
Read what? What exactly are you talking about? I think you got nothing…
Are you capable of posting without name calling or is it just too overwhelming…? because I will understand if you can't help yourself.
and again….lol
Well ok then. But if you change your mind let me know.
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Misinformation that is misinformed that misses the point….But, sadly the dumbification of america via our horrible school systems has created at least nine generations of sheeple that sort of read these "news" items.
I have made a mistake your right. The comment which leads to our previous conversation is on page 2 of my stream now.
Another lying left wing rag exposed,* yawn*.
I looked at my comment log for the past three days and couldn't find it. But if I did condone knucklehead activity like egg throwing I apologize and it won't happen again.
Another swing and miss.
Your point is that this article doesn't address the substantive nature of a medimutters article that, coincidently, doesn't address the substantive nature of another article.
Way to not prove your point….
And yes, blind ignorance is infuriating when it comes from those who claim enlightenment when they mean is wholesale belief in whatever leftist demogogues tell them.
They can't read anyway, so what's the dif. They are all functionally illiterate merons who prefer the bathhouse to anything else.
What Soros can't accomplish with accuracy, he can try to accomplish with money.
obama Poll – go take it
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6116297-50...
have you seen the current results? Damn….And from CBS, too.
Well, tell it to Mike Flynn. He's under the impression that she isn't there anymore, duh duh duh.
Media Matters seems well versed in the leftest playbook.
Rules for Radicals – Saul D. Alinsky, 1971
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.
Typical of our media at the moment – rather than doing some journalism why not start with our conclusion and work our way to it. Typical.
There aren't words to describe how pathetic that is.
Holy sh*t man!! That video is disturbing at best. I would have to say that most of those folks forgot their tin-foil hats along the way.
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Don't confuse me with facts!!!!!!!!! My mind is made up!!!!!!
The "Drive-By Media" is shooting blanks…or just throwing eggs (couldn't resist that one) LOL!
"Right-wing blogger Allahpundit "
Off topic, but this is not accurate. AP has no political beliefs – left, right, or otherwise. As the very prototype of an amoral pragmatist, he posts whatever will rile up the audience to generate traffic. One can condemn that or simply see it as doing his job, but either way that's the way it is.
Hahaha! Very funny.
The supporters of the people who not only gave us the fictional WMD story but sacrifices 5000 young Americans for their fairy tail are now complaining that leftists are liars.
Even if the left of America is lying it will take them a few decades to inflict the amount of damage to American lives that was perpetrated by the right wing nuts heroes during the first eight years of this century.
Good Lord. That was disgusting. Inarticulate, group-think, hatred. Mmm mmm mmm.
When studying the effects of major real-world initiatives such as the so-called stimulus there is almost never, and certainly not in this case, opportunity to conduct those actions that would offer the only real statistical insight into causation. Correlation is pretty much what is available. Are you seriously proposing that political affiliation — a prima facie Pareto de-optimizer — is not a significant factor in the correlation? Or are you just criticizing deRugy for not conducting experiments that cannot be conducted?
A more interesting and more pressing question, given the failure of the stimulus to achieve the administration's goals, would be to compare the proportion of stimulus which went on the one hand to activities that create jobs that cost more in public funds than they generate and on the other hand to activities that create jobs that make a net contribution to public finance.
Media Matter is guilty of not fact-checking everything Allahpundit said
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