ObamaCare: To Pass Or Not to Pass
by Mike FlynnOver the last several days, old friends and family around the country have contacted me with the same questions: ‘Do they have the votes? What is going to happen?’ Maybe they think that, living inside the Beltway, I get some secret newsletter that can divine what Congress will do. To all of them and you, let me be clear: I have no idea what is going to happen tonight. We have slipped well beyond any rational political thought or calculation. By any traditional analysis, this bill would have been buried long ago. So, while I don’t know what is going to happen, it is worth thinking a bit about what is going on. On that I have something to say.
The Democrats and the White House are lost in a legislative “fog of war” right now. They are focused on twisting enough arms, offering jobs and negotiating specific “deals” (bribes) to get them to 216 votes. Their attention and energy is focused exclusively on a final vote in the House tonight. No one is looking even one minute beyond that horizon. They are like a general who pours all his reserves into taking a symbolic bridge, never realizing that his lines have already collapsed and his flanks have been turned. They may take the bridge and get to 216 votes. (I’ve learned to never bet against Congressional leadership and an Administration united for a single legislative victory. ) But, they have already lost the war. They have deluded themselves that if they can…just…get…this…bill…passed, the public’s anger and attention will subside, they can put health care ‘behind them’ and they can focus on other ‘popular’ measures that will shore up their election prospects in November.
What they don’t realize is that today’s vote isn’t the end, but just a new beginning in the debate over health care. Buckle up, because if they manage to cobble together enough votes to pass the Senate Health Bill today, we’re set for weeks and perhaps months of a constitutional and political crisis the likes of which we haven’t seen in our lifetimes.
In a matter of hours after House passage of the Senate Bill, the state of Virginia will file suit in federal court. The Commonwealth will be joined in the suit by a dozen other states. I expect a flood of additional lawsuits. The suits will be based on the provision that requires every American to purchase health insurance. (This is how the Dems ‘crack down’ on the insurance industry; by requiring everyone to buy its product?) Because this is an individual mandate, virtually every American has standing to file suit against this provision. Also, it is in direct conflict with state law in at least two states, Idaho and Virginia.
While the legal battles wage on, expect an enormous public back-lash against the Democrats. Longtime political observers will recall the backlash after Democrats passed a “catastrophic health care” bill in the 80s. That event pales in comparison to what is brewing. Yesterday, around 30,000 people protested on the steps of the Capitol, an event that was organized in just a little over 24 hours. In cities throughout the country, protests and rallies broke out, each attended by hundreds of citizens with only a few hours notice. This kind of spontaneous public outcry has never happened in any of our lifetimes. Today, many of these protesters are buoyed by a faith that reason will prevail and the Democrats will stand down from their position of willful disdain for the American people. If that doesn’t happen tonight, then we will have fallen into totally unchartered territory. It is without hyperbole that I say I am at times afraid of what may ensue.
I have told my Democrat friends–yes, I have many–that they are missing the simple fact that people are really scared today. The economy is nowhere close to recovering and, in some places, may be getting worse. Millions of people have been unemployed for a very long time and untold millions more live in fear of it. Spending, deficits and debt have grown beyond the hypothetical world of economists and into a realm that the average person understands. Against this, the Democrats are now steaming towards the greatest expansion in government ever and, more importantly, into the part of our lives that commands our deepest fears, our health and mortality. That they have done so in an openly corrupt manner, with side deals, special exemptions, special interest favors and patronage (a judgeship, really?), betrays a contempt for the legislative and political process that is almost unfathomable. Worse, they raise the specter that the government is an interest, separate, distinct and opposed to the people.
The Democrats cannot do this. Sure, they may get the votes to pass the Senate bill tonight, but ultimately they will be defeated. A representative democracy cannot long endure a political class that is so out of touch with the populace. In some respects, what happens tonight is almost beside the point. The politics are set. Some Democrats are deluding themselves that they can put this behind them and somehow survive in November. They are most assuredly wrong.
I’m beginning to think that George Soros is a GOP plant. He has invested millions an in array of leftist organizations, but rather than providing a foundation for progressive policies, they have devolved into little more than a giant echo-chamber. Instead of trying to build public support, groups like Center for American Progress and Media Matters simply spin–lamely, by the way–any facts that counter their narrative. A rational political party absorbs new information and public opinion and adjusts its policies. The leftist cocoon inoculates Democrats from this, convincing them that their policies are actually popular, in spite of every piece of data, and cheers them on as they march off the cliff into political oblivion.
(Of course, it could be that Soros has simply made very large, leveraged bets against the dollar and wants to maximize deficit-busting policies, but that is speculation for another day.)
And off a cliff is exactly where the Democrat party is going. In 1994, the party lost 54 seats in the House, losing control for the first time in 40 years. 54 seats is my opening bid for November 2010. They will lose that amount if ObamaCare somehow fails tonight. If it passes, their losses will be much worse in the House (hell, I’d take odds on a 100 seat loss) and they likely will lose the Senate as well. Worse for the parties future, they will be decimated in state house races, which is critical to the future of they party. The winners of these races will draw new legislative districts next year. A GOP rout in statehouses could doom the Democrats for a decade.
The Democrats are especially doomed because of a final trap they have set for themselves. Their need to game the CBO score to minimize the buckets of borrowed money that are necessary to fund ObamaCare has created for them the ultimate political headache. All the taxes and fees necessary to fund government’s expansion take effect right way, but all the benefits, expanded coverage, etc., don’t take effect for several years. As soon as ObamaCare is signed into law, it will exert a strong gravitational pull on the entire health care sector. Premiums will rise, taxes will increase, providers and physicians will leave the market while all the “good” things in the bill, i.e. expanded coverage, insurance subsidies, etc., will be years away. All pain and no gain for four years. That is the exact opposite of good politics.
So, looking to tonight’s vote, I am torn. The policy wonk in me desperately wants the bill to fail. There are simply far too many provisions with sweeping consequences that we can’t fully imagine. There is too much damage that could be done and I don’t fully trust that the GOP will repeal every last provision. Clearly, the Democrats are betting that they won’t. They believe that, even if they have to lose their majority, enough of ObamaCare will remain that health care dominates our political discourse forever and they will always be able to outbid the GOP on the issue.
That said, the political animal in me is hoping they find 216 votes. A victory for ObamaCare tonight, It will spark a public revolt that will wipe clean the progressive agenda for at least a generation. In battle, it is critically important to have clarity; to understand the fight you are in. If the Democrats pass ObamaCare tonight no one will have any doubts about the battle ahead. So, my political instincts say, “Bring it On. Let’s sort this out once and for all.”
Tonight, if the Democrats get 216 votes, every one of those “yes” votes will be the deciding vote on ObamaCare. It will also be the deciding vote on the Democrats’ political oblivion.
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Todays vote may be sad but it is not over and if we persevere there is no way the Senate will give them the changes. Keep the phone sytem on the Hill buried day after day after day. The question becomes how low will Obama go to destroy this nation and our finances. WE ALL KNOW HE LOVES TO BOW LOW. That being said, this fall they will find an eviction notice and order to vacate the premises.
Time to take the TRASH OUT. Come on NOVEMBER TO REMEMBER!!!
Just a reminder to our political class what an angry electorate looks like watch from 1:10 spitting and taunting is the least fo your problems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIKz1phnuCc
What part of Obama is a Communist do people not understand?
We as the founding fathers crafted the constitution to enable the governed to be protected from the few. If this bill passes, this function of the republic will have been destroyed and the republic as we know it will cease to exist. The culprit is the philosophy of progressivism and or statism, that has its roots in an idealistic point of view (from the philosophy of Plato) with the progression of this philosophy to a materialistic point of view (from the philosophy of Marx). The philosophy that was lost was that of Socrates, "We cannot know anything about a situation, unless we are within the context of the situation." (Or Realism) In sort, we must witness an element of ignorance. Anything other than this perspective is oppression, of any manner and name.
Thus will play out this battle of philosophy through history and time. And this is what we as founding fathers set up for this nation. A liberty defined by NOT what the government can do on your behalf, but on constraints of the government to ensure you have Freedom to do what is in your best interest.
Thus, this is Liberty, the applied rule of law and Constitutional Rights we have outlined.
And today, if the bill is passed, so to will we usher in the destruction of Liberty and see a new day of Tyranny.
Publius
Regardless of the outcome; "let's roll". The battle lines have been clearly drawn and the survival of our representative Republic and our individual freedoms are at stake.
A wonderful and very astute analysis, Mike. Organized and well developed. I think you are dead on correct about the contempt and the singular seperatist agenda of the Democrat party. It is a position from which they will not recover for many years. The utter disdain of Obama, Pelosi et. al. has been shocking to most Americans. This is not the America we live in and you have stated it eloquently.
I thank you.
Thanks Mike.
"The Democrats and the White House are lost in a legislative “fog of war” right now."
For the rest of US, that only leaves one choice. "Onward through the fog"…………..
If passed, it will be darned near impossible to undo. That is why we are being taxed three years in advance. How successfully has any effort to undo Medicare or Social Security been? Or has there even been one? Bankruptcy is our lot, and that will be the only end of it, and us.
Mesmerizing words ! Read and reread and reread and reread. "
"A liberty defined by NOT what the government can do on your behalf, but on constraints of the government to ENSURE YOU HAVE FREEDOM to do what is in your best interest."
Marching to the sounds of battle
Grappling to get to 216 speaks volumes.
The mentally deranged liberal "anon" has arrived flag him down and report…
I liken the process that is happening right now to the phenomena that occurs in many e-bay autctions. People see something they want and they bid and bid in the very final minutes and end up paying way more than what the item is worth.
Unfortunately they thought they got a good deal.
I see Democrates looking to rename their party soon and it wont be proggresives. Obamas low poll numbers are the same as Bush's when he left office and Republicans ran away from him. His pole numbers tainted as moderate a candidate as the GOP could find (McCain). As ineffective as that was this is far worse. They not only have to run from their President , they must run from themselves. Will they find religion and join the Tea Party? I declare Progressivism dead regardless how this turns out. Your point of pain without benefit is well stated. Watching the black caucus walk threw the Tea Party yesterday i was reminded of that old 60s show "Branded" except the men walking have no honor and no hope of redemtion.
Excellent Mike! Clear and concise..
"Tonight, if the Democrats get 216 votes, every one of those “yes” votes will be the deciding vote on ObamaCare. It will also be the deciding vote on the Democrats political oblivion"
We here are hoping they actually do it…When your ideological enemy is committing suicide on a Jonestown scale, why not let them do it?
Americans will not live under such a system derived at thru such a decitful process
In a few months sweep out the trash, including Obama, and begin anew.
This time doing things in a consistently, fiscally responsible manner…
This should be fun, no matter what the Dim idiots do today…
On Drudge: "OVERHEARD: Walking into Capitol this morning on phone, Speaker Pelosi tells Hoyer: 'Steny, we have to get to 217. None of these members wants to be the deciding vote'… Developing… "
These men are not representatives they are just whores. Vote for or against something because it is right or wrong. Stand up for yourselves like men and do what you know to be right. But in truth they do not care for us or for the country, they care only for what they can get out of the deal and how they will look. These men are truly sinister evil tyrants! They are not not American statesmen, they are worthless scum.
I curse them all.
alas poor anon…..we know thee well! Obama sinking fast, when he was elected with 52% of the vote it was hailed a mandate for change, but now with 53% shouting stop, we are a fringe minority. You cannot have it both ways.
In war, amateurs discuss tactics…pros discuss logistics…
Obamacare puts the Liberal Progressive in a very interesting position… with having the funding run long before the benefit starts, the legal challenges coming with current court makeups, the chicanery and naked bribery to sway the votes, the stupefying lengths representatives were taking to avoid their constitutionally-mandated charges in regards to voting, the ridiculous parade of the Congressional Black Caucus outside the Capitol to incite violence, (Big Journalism, GET ON THE JOB THERE, NOW!), the pro will realize that the Lib Prog is a very poor General, indeed…
This will be on the radar for years to come, the fallout will be severe and long-term, and the effect will always impact negatively…those that pay will always resent it, those that benefit will resent that it isn't more…and the court battles, even though the inevitability of overturn will win through in the end, will be momentous and costly…and even might eventually threaten the "welfare state" itself, depending on the decisions…
God, I pray that it fails today…but if it doesn't; everyone be ready to follow through with the efforts to delay, dilute, and disallow this thing…and MAKE SURE, with your own participation at every level you can, to forcibly kick to the curb, with all of your might, everyone that inflicted this putrescent mess on you…starting TODAY…
I keep hearing that "repeal is impossible." I thought marxists destroying our Nation was impossible but here it is!
Go fondle a young relative or whatever it is you Marxist degenerates do in your spare time. We don't care what words blow out of your whine- hole.
The thing that most encourages me is that no matter how they try to shift us off the Constitution, the authority in this nation still rests with the people and the people will jettison the traitors. Those who KNOW they are right, those who stand with the Constitution will have greater fortitude than those whose deceitful smiles and underhanded ways betray their evil intents.
We need to recognize and remove evil as early as possible. The fruit of the progressive (veneered as "Democrat/liberal) tree is rotten from the word go. The progressive movement MUST be identified, isolated, quashed, and NEVER allowed to return to power in ANY institution. Choke off government funding for Universities and Colleges. Let them stand on their own merits. Remove all government funding for the Arts and let them stand on their own merit. Remove government funding for non-profits and let the contributors support those that reflect their values. THIS will begin to reflect the true face of the United States – center right.
May the Lord remove the evil leaders of this nation and grant us good and godly men and women who understand servant leadership!
What I find fascinating is that any one of the Dems voting for this could actually believe that people will forget, that the opposition will die down, that the American people will settle in and go on their merry way. That just stuns me, and I guess it proves beyond a doubt what we already knew – they do not hear us, let alone listen to us. Can't say we didn't warn them!
Well said, Harry…. This is what happens when you elect BETA MALES instead of forthright ALPHA MALES ! Limp-wristed timid males who cower at the sight of Pelosi (she IS a difficult sight) and then meekly follow her over the political cliff. We shall soon say buh bye to these worthless scoundrels. Not one of them had the courage to verbally bitchslap this horrendous speaker who seeks to destroy our freedoms. Now they shall pay in November and publically for the rest of their sorry lives. The public will hound them forever.
Any Insurance industry estimates on what the across the board increase will be for adding "children" to 27 and preexisting conditions? I am betting the sunshine Libs who get that bill will spit bile.
The marxist left has spent the last 40 years crying and pouting over the communist "which hunts" of the 50's… They have done a fine job in our culture of rendering the (rightly dispicable) Communist monicker to be an almost sympathetic term. That's what happens when we let marxist-staliniststrash control public education for generations.
We must NEVER forget all the heartache, pain and worry Obama and his Dems have brought into our lives with all their lies and scheming of the past year. There is a price to pay!
And there is this: Obama has cloaked himself in false iconic religious imagery, always attempting to appear courageous. He is NOTHING of the sort — Obama is a Coward who will one day face his own Judgement Day.
Once again Anon you can only resort to name calling. Regardless of the outcome of todays votes, you progressives are finished. The only way you can get your favorite legislation passed is by lies, strong-arm tactics, payoffs and more lies. If it were such a great piece of legislation why are the vast majority of Americans against it? Go ask your average Canadian or Britain what they think about their "free" health care. The governmment cannot even run the postal service, how are they going to do with our health? You need to stop suckling at the governments teat and make it on your own.
And God will find Obama Guilty!
Nothing is over until We the People decide it is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q47bpOCTcaY
Nothing is over until We the People decide it is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q47bpOCTcaY
Good God! I really need to stop mixing weed and hooch with my anti-psychotics. What a hangover! Well, I guess the healthcare bill will pass today. It is a budget buster and will cause a lot of Republicans to pay more in taxes. It's their own fault though – why do they have jobs in the first place?Oh well, if it's free it's for me. Besides THEY always find more ways to make money, the dirty rats!
Glad I signed up for this facebook thing, maybe some "friends" will tell me where to score a free party tonight. I'll have to check back later.
Think I'll go to one of those "Big" sites now and see if I can annoy some workin' folk. Gotta clean the basement soon though, the P's are gettin' pissed.
[...] We’ve got a number of interesting articles floating around about the health care bill right now. The Senate is supposedly going to vote on this in a little over an hour, and the blogosphere is going crazy. What they don’t realize is that today’s vote isn’t the end, but just a new beginning in the debate over health care. Buckle up, because if they manage to cobble together enough votes to pass the Senate Health Bill on Sunday, we’re set for weeks and perhaps months of a constitutional and political crisis the likes of which we haven’t seen in our lifetimes. Read the rest of the article here. [...]
Onan is just back here indulging in its masturbatory fantasies again. How you and your ilk think that you're all so much superior to the majority of Americans is just plain foolishness.
Whatever it takes to search out and eliminate every progress at every level is the the mission of the Republic from now on regardless of the vote. This nightmare must end.
progress s/b progressive. I am so pissed I can't type.
Today i feel like we just got our heads dug out from the mess bush buried us in. :p
SLAUGHTER will RULE the day come next November! 100 seats? Probably not. The Senate? Maybeee….
These asses will be effectively neutered no matter what. I don't think any (R) in any race will be running on being "bi-partisan" and "working with" the Demonrats. We'll have to keep the newbies in line once they start to experience the temptations.
We are the new "swing vote".
Representative John Hall
US House of Representatives
March 17, 2010
Dear Mr. Hall,
Well it comes to you. One man, one vote, the nation’s future on the line. I bet when you were doing drugs and singing “Your the One” for the one thousandth time you never thought you would end up in having to make this choice. Before you do please give me one moment of your time.
In the old days, prior to government intervention in the medical establishment, the “wealthy” paid higher prices at the doctors office to support the needy. My father would tell the story like this. A patient would drive up to a doctors office in a Cadillac and the doctor would treat him, and the doctor would give him a higher bill than he would give to other patients, sometimes a much higher bill. The doctor then would use that money to treat people in the community that needed assistance. As time went on the government put it’s nose into this practice and took the place of the doctors and the hospitals who engaged in this. The government entitlement programs began to divorce a doctors capability to obtain the funds to carry out charity work, and thus while the cost was leveled out the creation of a third party to pay and to dole out charity destroyed the capacity to self regulate or to engage in ones own community in a positive and very efficient manner.
Fast forward to today. I pay a monthly premium for my medical insurance. Even if I do not use the resources for decades, other than checkups and the like, I gain nothing from behaving wisely. Why? Because as much as the insurance company wants to create products that keep prices low, so they can cover more people and make a higher profit for the company, the government is telling these companies who to sell to, how much coverage is required, even the deductibles are dictated. In this manufactured environment of unlimited capacity and fixed supply, price must rise inexorably to meet the consumption of the goods and services offered, in this case medicine.
So what is the answer Mr. Hall? First you ought to vote no on this proposed legislation that would place the government in further control of what is left of the private healthcare industry. Second, you should get back to work creating a piece of legislation that unlocks the free markets power to drive down costs, and create supply and innovation that it has to a higher degree in this country than all others combined. Finally, please contemplate the concept of privacy. I know in this day and age people seem willing to abandon their anonymity and the freedom that that begets to ones soul, but they are misguided. I cannot conceive as anything more personal to ones life then the medical care they have or will receive – I do not want my care or the care of my family to become the purview of some bureaucrat in Washington D.C. I want my families care to remain between us and our doctors and nurses.
In closing, I am firmly aware, as you should be, that you are part of an institution whose record is not good. In the hundred or so odd Congress’s what does the Country have to show for your efforts? Trillions in debt and deficits. Blind monkeys who randomly hit the “yea” or “nay” button could have done a better job. But it is now up to you. Will you vote yes and commit this nation to bankruptcy, or will you vote no and then get right back to work crafting a solution to this mess?
Respectfully,
Where do you get your statistics on Canadian and European health care. Like the rest of the regressives you make them up. Obama and Pelosi and the rest have said that it will take time to get to a single payer system. However they will never get the chance. As I said you and your ilk are finished.
Can you write one response without resorting to name calling. You are like one of my parents old dogs. Real tough behind a door, but put if face to face with another dog and it layed on its back and whimpered. I trust you wear depends so when you get in a face to face debate you don't soil yourself.
Disparaging news indeed.There is, however, a ray of hope. Many States will file lawsuits against the monstrous, bloated, out of control Federal Government to stop the unfair, unjust, UNCONSTITUTIONAL effects of this insidious power grab(disguised as healthcare).And this warms my heart. ;^) +Hanzo+
I thought you ran your own business? From your post above it appears you don';t pay taxes and are worried about your parents getting on your case for being lazy. Anon – shiftless, lazy, liar. Makes a perfect lib.
Obama isn't just wrong, he's evil. There's no way that he's ignorant of the consequences of his actions.
That said, I wish to HELL someone would review these articles before publication. I think it makes us look bad to have glaring errors in such important blog entries on the single most important site of its kind.
For instance:
"…and they likely will lose the Senate as well. Worse for the parties future, they will be decimated in state house races, which is critical to the future of they party…"
Should read: "…and they likely will lose the Senate as well. Worse for the party's future, they will be decimated in state house races, which is critical to the future of their party…
"I waft a fart in your general direction". Doubt if you can smell it over your rotting Progressive/Fascist
corpse, ha ha. Good luck in November! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!! +Hanzo+
You're so pissed you can't type?
I'm so pissed I can't read.
Here is a hypothetical situation that I see as unavoidable. Obamacare guarantees coverage under parents health care policies until 26. My question is how many 27 year old citizens who do not want to purchase health care, (for any reason) will stand firm against the Federal Government and say NO. According ot the bill, these people would be subject to fines and possibly jail time if they refuse to enroll in health care. This heath care mandate is the Achilles Heel of this bill. I would envision this case taken to the Supreme Court and being nullified on grounds of individual rights over the Federal Mandates. Hey BO, forcing people to enroll in health care insurance, is NOT health care reform.
Well said, and very true. ;^) +Hanzo+
Borders on deeply delusional, not just merely delusional.;^) +Hanzo+
You might have taken your head out of the sand, but you forgot to take your head out of your ass. ;p
+Hanzo+
Amen. This is the time, this is the place.Press on soldier. ;^) +Hanzo+
I started working at the age of ten, albeit part time. However, when I graduated from high school a long long time ago, I went directly into the United States Army at the age of 17. I finished college when I was 21, had a family and have worked ever since. I stopped being a "child" when I was 14, the year my father died. The whole idea of calling adults children is repulsive to me. Adolescence is the period of life when children grow up to be adults. Obviously, the boy child in the WH as well as most libtards don't agree with the idea that people should ever become adults because they are much easier to mamipulate and control as children – except when they have been spoiled rotten. It';s time to bring out the rod and teach some of these spoiled brates a lesson they will never forget. Then and only then will they grow up.
"Who are you to say the rest of us should pay for anything which dosen't directly benefit ourselves?"
That's just the way it is you loser. It's called America's political system. I know you'd rather just let poor people and dark skinned people die but fortunately most American's disagree.
And who are you to say I had to pay for a trillion dollar unnecessary war?
You're stupid.
Reference to Realism, and by implication Nominalism. How refreshing, I thought this manner of grasping thought and history and social dynamics had been overwhelmed by Nominalism, a/k/a/ today scientific positivism, or in common jargon (newspaper philosophy), "science." Carry on!
Keep hiding chickenshit. It will be easier for you to run away after the house of cards collapses and your last delusion evaporates before your disbelieving eyes. Productive people are tiring of their servant "masters". The (R)'s will get back in and we who supply the victory will be watching them closely. Game over for a generation…
Please leave a note somewhere confessing your true identity. I want to know who you were, as I am certain your head will explode when reality comes rushing in.
Outstanding article, Mike. I am in the exact same place as you about the vote today. On one hand I want it to fail because I completely agree that repealing it will not only be extremely difficult, but the Republicans have shown a habit for looking like Democrat-light too often. On the other hand, I am ready for the revolution if this thing passes and this may be the proverbial straw that final keeps the Conservative movement awake and energized for the next decade.
"I’m beginning to think that George Soros is a GOP plant." LOL…love that paragraph, but I think your parenthetical comment after it is probably closer to the truth!
Hey asswipe, I didn't say you should pay for a trillion dollar war, did I? You're such a piece of shit, with no debating skills at all, only casting lies in an attempt tp appear witty and intelligent.Epic fail.
Where did I say I'd like to let poor people and dark skinned people die?Projecting again?Progressives, such as your pathetic pos self, want to keep poor people, regardless of skin color, mired in poverty and despair, in order to "save" them every election cycle, reminding them that you gave them a crumb, paid for by someone else, in order for them to survive and to further entrench Fascicm further into our Federal Government.You're a f*cking traitor. To these people and our entire Country.
You're way beyond stupid.Unhinged, deranged and moronic would be a good start.+Hanzo+
[...] MIKE FLYNN: ObamaCare: To Pass Or Not To Pass. [...]
Stupak is a moron! An executive order can be rescinded at any time by any president and in and of itself is unconstitutional!
I will answer for he/she/it. No, not ever
I don't see how anyone could buy O's religious credentials when he sat in the pews of Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years! "God damn America, that's in the bible!" need I say more?
A broken clock is correct twice a day.
Why would pro-life Dems still be on board if they actually thought they would be undermined by an executive order? Because an executive order can be rescinded at any time by any president, that's why. It is nothing but an empty token of a promise that can be taken back at a moment's notice. I would bet my life that Stupak got more than that executive order promise, just one more back-room deal that sticks it to everyday Americans!
"Where did I say I'd like to let poor people and dark skinned people die?"
They are dying every day due to lack of health insurance and you refuse to support getting them insured.
You are worst America has to offer. You'd make a good Nazi.
And you lost this one. Lost big. Obama's Waterloo? har dee har har!
Why do the trolls continue to blame Bush when the Dems took the House in '02 and Congress in '04. They prefer to blame the person who honored his oath to 'protect and defend the people and the Constitution of the United States' instead blaming of the people that controlled the checkbook and passed the budgets. I guess logic and reality is not their strong suit.
Hoo freakin Ra
If it does pass it's going to die in the courts probably anyway. Viva l'America! Or some such…
Wow, with a resume like his, he would fit in quite well as a big government wonkette.
Unfortunately, the Democrats have a perfectly workable strategy for distracting the voters from health care ‘reform’: Following it up with immigration ‘reform’. It will work, the voters will be mad at them over something else, and unfortunately we’ll be stuck with both atrocities, because the Republicans will neither win enough seats this fall to repeal the bills against a Presidential veto, nor, likely, even attempt to do so, any more than they tried repealing the ‘94 ‘assault weapon’ ban.
Well said Mr. Tuttle, they may win a battle today. However they will be annihilated in the political war. It ain't over.
Politicians are all whores. That's the job definition.
Maybe it because half this country is now on some form of dole from the government trough. He bought and stole the last election from dead beats and those wanting hand-outs. The silent majority has awaken.
The prez and congress honestly don't understand that policies that get you an "A" on a Harvard term paper really isn't a good idea in practice.
Come November when the progressive/Communist/statist/big government/Democrats are thrown out of D.C. and the conservatives take control, remember today when the trials begin next year for crimes and misdemeanors by this unsavory lot of whores.
"Take out the trash in November" is a pretty good slogan. The MSM will spin this but 30,000 people in DC yesterday is hard to hide.
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[...] Flynn at BigGovernment.com has an excellent analysis today which goes so far as to suggest a 100-seat change in the House. Flynn might be going too far with such a projection, or he might not. He also makes a [...]
“Cry Havok…”
"Cry Havok…"
Nay, not the destruction of liberty, the massive demonstration and exercise of it for years after this disgraceful administration and bill have been relegated to posterity. The American people will not stand for this much this fast, and progressive thought does not have enough of a foothold to keep patriotic Americans from doing whatever is necessary to regain anything and everything we have lost.
You speak of the destruction of our constitution and liberties, I speak of "We the People" proving that when we take a strong, principled, well-informed stand there is nothing we cannot defeat with the inalienable liberties and rights granted by our creator in our minds and hearts.
"Let us therefore animate and encourage each other, and show the whole world that a Freeman, contending for liberty on his own ground, is superior to any slavish mercenary on earth."
- George Washington
(not quite a battle against foreign mercenaries, but the concept is the point here)
I thought the constitution was to protect the people from the govenment and not the other way around. Am I incorrect?
CL, the punks might win a battle today, they will NOT win the war.
I keep thinking of the old Soviet Union. To me, it looks like the outrage will be so great after this, that the country may shatter. Or, we may throw the bums out and try again.
I am still not convinced it will pass.
Today is your day to mobilize for November, let the bloodbath begin.
To quote Tip O'Neill "all politics is local".
We all know what we have to do. The bastards might win a vote today but they ain't winning this war. Hopefully, it will be overturned for all the illegalities, briberies, and malfeasance involved in the courts. Plus all the states making their own bills to reject it, this ain't over by a long shot.
Death to the tyrants.
The biggest lie? "We are going to provide coverage to 30 million more people and cut the cost of health care premiums". Yeah, right, I believe that. This from the same people who have totally mismanaged an agency whose sole purpose is to deliver a letter or package from point a to point b. If the government can't manage the Postal Service, who in their right mind would let them manage 1/6th of our economy? Oh, answer, the Democrats. And the answer to the Democrats grand solution to health care? Make em pay in November. Hoyer, you are history. http://www.lollarforcongress.com/index.php/home
[...] Mike Flynn takes temperature of the zeitgeist and finds the Democrats are marching off a cliff, and no one is looking down. The Democrats and the White House are lost in a legislative “fog of war” right now. They are [...]
Years ago we were told by the Communist leaders that they wouldn't have to fire a shot to take us over…I'm afraid that time has come…..They got us in our schools, in our unions, in some of our churches, and our
political system with the Supreme leader Obumble!!……..
Just about all of it.
I wonder what those stupid bastardz who voted for this moron think about him now?
Sadly, this bill will pass. As I said on my blog, this "does not mean all is lost. Nearly forty states are in the process of taking legal action against the federal government to stop the power grab. Why? This bill expands medicaid, which is the government-run health insurance program for poor people that states must run, with funding coming jointly from the federal and state governments. Currently, medicaid covers people who are up to 100% of the poverty line; This bill raises that to 133%. This puts an undo burden on the states. Granted, the federal government has guaranteed that it will pay a greater portion of the new medicaid bill (90% as opposed to splitting it 50/50 with the states as in the past), but that additional 10% of new medicaid funding for the people who are within 100-133% of the poverty line will result in higher taxes and budget shortfalls for states that are already struggling to make ends meet. Besides, medicaid is already a system that is severely broken. It compensates doctors at a rate less than half of what private insurance does, creating what is known as a cost shift. This results in the costs of medical care being shifted to those of us who have private insurance, and it is one of the reasons why costs are so high today. So rather than fix this problem, the bill is making it even worse." Visit my blog, The American Truth Machine, and combat the Obama Lie Machine, at http://truthmachine.blogsome.com/
I am praying you are correct, my friend.
"What part of Obama is a Communist do people not understand?"
Obama
I was finally able to get through to my reps (Salazar) office today, so I called twice !!!
Now I'm trying Stupaks office !!!
the answer as well all know to that question is: nope
FLEMING HEALTH CARE REFORM UPDATE
Health Care Reform = $2,100 in higher insurance premiums
The President and Majority Leaders have condemned private insurance companies for raising insurance premiums, yet Congress is proposing to raise your insurance premiums with the current health care reform bill.
According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO), under the Senate version of Health Care Reform being negotiated, private health insurance premiums in the individual market would rise by as much as $2,100.
WHAT THIS MEANS FOR YOU: With unemployment at nearly 10 percent and 36,000 jobs lost last month, many families in Louisiana and across our great country find themselves facing financial uncertainty. Americans need jobs and lower costs, not an increase in their health insurance premiums.
THE DOCTOR'S DIAGNOSIS: As a practicing physician for over 30 years, I have experienced first-hand the tragic effects of our broken health care system. Working to improve this system is one of the primary reasons I came to Washington. Tragically, the type of health care reform currently being moved through Congress is not the answer. The American people deserve more than increased premiums, tax hikes and government bureaucracy in the middle of the doctor-patient relationship.
As this process unfolds, I will continue to work to represent you by advocating for common-sense, and working to defeat government-administered health care and crushing taxes in the Majority’s legislation, continue to advance Republican health care reforms, estimated by CBO to lower your insurance premiums by up to 10 percent.
Sincerely,
JOHN FLEMING, M.D.
Member of Congress
agreed….
A question sir, I have seen reports that Tri-Care does not meet the minimum standards, does this mean our service members will be force to buy attentional insurance, or face fines? I understand early on this was not the case but has since changed. The implications of such a ruling are staggering for serving and retired members.
When the Country is bankrupt, where will all go to reap the benefits they gave been foolish enough to believe they will get?
THEN we will really understand the notion of "blood from a turnip"!!!
Me either, Cowboy.
Me, too, no_more.
No matter what the outcome today . . . and I am still hopeful of the bill failing . . .
. . . the audacity of this president and this Congress have awakened a sleeping giant of Americans who believe in the Constitution.
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