Cato Scholar to Tea Party: Beware of GOP, Avoid Social Issues
by Mytheos HoltGiven the strong prospects for GOP resurgence in the upcoming elections, and the intimate connection which said resurgence is sure to have with the fortunes of the Tea Party Movement, it is no surprise that advice is presently being offered to that movement from all sides. The most recent instance of that advice comes from Cato Institute scholar John Samples, who has released a video under the aegis of the Institute entitled “Advice to Tea Partiers.”

Samples is also the author of the book The Struggle to Limit Government, a political history book which convincingly makes the case for a libertarian resurgence within the GOP grounded on Reaganite principles. The video, which in some ways is a much simplified version of the book, offers five points of advice, many of which are well-taken, but some of which are grounded more in wishful thinking than in actual political savvy.
On that note, the video begins with the dubious statement that because of the “spending” and “expansion of government” that was present during the Bush years, “the Republican Party is part of the problem.” This is a lead-in to point 1, entitled “Republicans Aren’t Always Your Friends.” Samples points out, correctly, that when Reagan’s budget director David Stockman tried to get much-needed budget cuts through the White House, all the various department heads opposed these cuts even as they worked under one of the most spending-averse Presidents since Calvin Coolidge. He takes this as evidence that the culture of entrenched programs in Washington can corrupt everyone, Republicans included.
On this much he is right. However, it’s worth noting that part of the issue with Reagan’s cabinet was also that it had to be selected in order to pass a Democrat-controlled Senate confirmation process, and thus was probably more moderate than anything Reagan envisioned. Thus, the conclusion that can be drawn from Samples’s video is not that mistrust of Republicans is the right option, but rather that mistrust of Democratic legislatures is the right option, for even under Republican presidents, such legislatures can wreak havoc on the agenda of limited government.
But more fundamentally still, Samples mistrusts the Tea Party movement itself, as shown by his second point, “Some Tea Partiers Like Big Government.” He points out, for instance, that some Tea Partiers like Social Security and Medicare, and consider them “worth the cost.” This could be problematic in the long term, and Samples is right to observe as much. However, it is not an argument for mistrust of the movement in the here and now, when everyone agrees that the newest entitlement, Obamacare, is sure to be a disaster. As such, it might be best to hold off the debates on Social Security/Medicare until such a time as Obamacare is itself repealed, and these older programs are more closely situated to the fiscal chopping block.
Something which, I might add, will never happen if Tea Partiers listen to Samples’ third point: “Democrats aren’t always your enemies.” From the Tea Party perspective, yes, yes they are. Samples makes a salient point that Democrats have historically supported tax reform, which he interprets as a sign that they oppose using tax incentives to “control” the economy. Actually, the reason Democrats support tax reform is because they can’t abide people not being taxed, and the only reason Reagan was able to ally with them on tax reform in 1986 was because he’d already gotten tax cuts through, and held all the political cards due to his overwhelming popularity. In other words, the only reason the Democrats were incentivized to work with Reagan at all was because he had crushed, demoralized and utterly derailed their liberal agenda. That agenda, at least for the present, isn’t going anywhere, and there’s no room to accommodate it if the Tea Partiers truly want to see limited government.
Samples’s fourth point, that “Smaller Government demands restraint abroad,” is persuasive within limits, but in defending it, he runs into a few classic libertarian fallacies regarding the Bush years. For one thing, in arguing for cutting defense spending, he seems to believe that “small government” is synonymous with “weak government” or that a warfare state is necessarily as controling of peoples’ lives as a welfare state. Naturally, neither assumption is true. Also, while it is true that cutting Defense spending is not mutually exclusive with increasing military efficiency, this shouldn’t be taken as carte blanche to cut it, nor should the notion of cutting defense spending be embraced as a positive good under all circumstances. It would be nice to be able to cut back on United States intervention abroad, but in order for that sort of cutting to happen, first the United States’ enemies have to be put in sufficient fear of their lives, and the United States’ position as a dominant power at the international stage has to be maintained. To support anything else but American dominance would make the Tea Party movement as complicit in the management of American decline as Obama himself.
Finally, Samples makes the oft-cited libertarian point that “Social Issues should be left to the States.” Samples points to Reagan and the 1994 Republican Freshman class as examples of successful conservative victories which were won without fighting over social issues, and to some extent, he’s right about both. However, Reagan’s recalcitrance on social issues actually lost him trust among the New Right movement, which was to the late 70’s what the Tea Party Movement is today. Had Reagan not made a few concessions – such as saying “I endorse you” to the Association of Religious Broadcasters – he might have run into more trouble. It is also worth noting that the 1994 freshman class, while they didn’t mention massive/religiously grounded social issues like gay marriage or abortion in the “Contract with America,” they did mention lesser types of social issues, such as crime prevention. To try to run away from these facts would be pure wishful thinking, and indeed, the fight over many of these “social issues” is being waged precisely because the combatants on the socially conservative side want to leave them to the States. To lay blame at the feet of the GOP for bringing the subject up, therefore, is highly mistaken, since these issues would not exist if not for the Federally grounded interference of liberals.
Still, the video contains a great deal of interesting ideas, some valuable facts and enough general merit that Tea Partiers everywhere should watch it and make up their minds. Ultimately, however, there is little doubt that trying to offer advice to the movement is unlikely to achieve terribly significant results. The Tea Party movement is, perhaps uniquely, more a spontaneous order than a top-down movement, and will adapt itself to the circumstances insofar as that adaptation is necessary. This is its great strength, and the reason why it stands as the most effective counterpoint to Big Government in the modern day.






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Seems to me the Tea Party people are doing pretty good without any advice!!
The dilemma of the Tea Party is that conservative voters are not risk-takers.
The fact that they don't like the one in office now does not automatically mean they will like you.
The media is painting the Tea Party as radical. They are not.
The GOP is not endorsing the Tea Party.
On November 2 most conservatives will vote for the GOP candidate, regardless of his Tea affiliation.
It ain't right and it ain't fair, but that's what will happen.
Are you guys really going to ride this teabagging joke through November?
No one takes you seriously. We are laughing at you idiots.
T.E.A. Taxed. Enough. Already. After Obama cut taxes for 95% of us.
God you people are stupid.
I'm a supporter of CATO and a member. I do not support their desire to reduce military spending and their animus to an aggressive forward leaning foreign policy. That said you can count me in. Kill the commies and the islamo fascists as efficiently as possible and cut the federal budget and turn the entitlements over to the states and use the printing press for target practice.
I have one suggestion for any one making "suggestions" to the TEA Partiers, we have one credo and if you aren't listening or paying attention its this:
IT'S THE CONSTITUTION STUPID!
Obama magically cut taxes and increased spending did he? You believe that?
He didn't cut taxes.
You mean those racist, haters???/ JUST KIDDING!!
Advice is a good idea, listen, consider and decide. I read the Tea Party as those against stupid, wasteful, unconstitutional spending.
Listen to those who can educate you on how to not be taken advantage by the media… They hate the Tea Party.
This is a wide ranging group of sincere citizens.
The Republican Party is, no make that SHOULD be their natural ally, but RINOs are not. (we used to call them Country Club Republicans) are not.
The cultural aspects are an important keystone, however the way things are today, saving the Republic is more important than the social issues.
Just my 2 cents…
Can you please stop repeating the same lies and crap over and over. It gets old and is very childish. I though you guys on the left were suppose to be as smart as you claim, not whining pathetic idiots.
Just face the facts. Obama will not cut any taxes, continues to spend money we dont have, increase taxes to pay for these budget busting bills, is still supporting socialist redistrabution of wealth, passes any bill weather or not the public likes/wants it, his administration cares more about segregation than bringing people together, they still use racism/villanization/demonization of anyone who opposes them.
For GODS sake man, wake up to reality.
Everyone has advice for Sarah Palin. She seems to be thriving without it. Same for the Tea Party. If John Samples knew the Tea Party he would know better than to assume all he does. You have some catching up to do, John.
"Ultimately, however, there is little doubt that trying to offer advice to the movement is unlikely to achieve terribly significant results."
The unification of voters to remove those committed to supporting a regime dedicated to transforming our country will prove otherwise. That is what I call a "significant result".
Is it going to take several election cycles, yes. Don't underestimate the determination of pissed off Patriots. The very idea that it is not a "top down" movement is why it will work. There are issues that not everyone agrees on, but I feel confident we all agree that Chairman O and his Progs must be removed from office.
"He didn't cut taxes"
Yes. He. Did. For 95% of us. $250 Billion in tax cuts.
God you people are stupid.
HaHa anon….No one takes you seriously either….poor poor baby…
Just what the F__K is so complex about,…………
the average, grass roots, rank and file, everyday working, every 4th of July celebrating American,……….
wanting the government to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America.
Just do that and you can debate issues all you want,…………..and if the majority of us,……….
do not approve of what you are doing,……..we will let you know on election day,………..
that seemed to work for a long time,………..but know,……………..
we are forced to go into the streets and proclaim the obvious.
We do not have the time to do this,…………we are too busy building America………….
but what good is an America without the Constitution.,……………
oh,…………… I can go on and on,…………….just do it Washington.
Goodness….if we only had elected officials that could read English they would be able to easily read and interpret the Constitution. Article 1, Sections 8&9 make it absolutely clear what the Federal legislature can and cannot do. Maybe they all took ESL classes with McCain and Graham…who knows?
Coolidge did it right by limiting the crushing “boot to the neck” of the American people. Reagan was the next great follow up and he did it by sticking his “boot to the neck” of Congress via We the People.
This November, it is WE THE PEOPLE who will be the “boot to the neck” of Congress in large.
They have not led rather they have ruled
They have not followed the will of the people
They will not get out of the way until we make them
We MUST get them out of our way in November. Make sure you are registered and eligible to vote NOW!
Focus on the out of control government spending and their can do nothing right — like even store fire booms for immediate use in the event of a oil well fire.
Anon has an anatomically correct blow up Barry, you can imagine which appendage is used to inflate his Barry. He loves his Barry and services it with zeal.
Advice from anyone in Washington, should be taken with a very large grain of salt!
A message from Anon, a maggot infested, salad tossing, parasitic, abnormally unenlightened, limp wristed, metrosexual, envious, waste of oxygen dweeb, whose only concern is, “what’s in it for me!”
Well, less than 50% of the people pay taxes. Do you mean 95% of the tax payers?
Question, did he cut taxes on 95% of all Americans?
Sara Palin suggested the Tea Party get in line with the Republican Party… NOT!
CATO institute advises the Tea Party how to think… NOT!
We know what we think and we are standing up for it! We may not all agree 100% with each other on everything, but we came together to fight big government and taxes. To that end we will stand together and fight for liberty and freedom!
Tea Party, Conservatists, Libertarians, etc… Are standing together in dfiance of the progressive/SociaIist agenda! CATO can join us or get out of the way. Just don't try to stear the ship.
I am willing to live the govt doing less to help me as long as I have to pay them less in taxes.
The military should be on of the last budget cuts there is, these people need the resources to protect this country that we all cherish. All other programs open to be down sized or cut all together. The federal govt should handle our foreign relations, disputes between states, and protecting our borders. All other problems should be solved by each and every state as they see fit.
…and that's the short list!
Obama DID NOT cut taxes, the majority who did NOT pay taxes last year was from 1) Bush's plan and 2) The average income dropped thus less taxes paid, NOT CUT!
God you're an assmonkey.
Your welfare checks and EIC keep coming in don't they? At the expense of we who work to support our family, along with millions of others. I certainly am a middle class small business owner and have not seen one single penny of tax cuts. Inversely, the greedy turds in DC have raised taxes. I have done everything I can to cut costs, unlike your kool-aid servers. It is still not enough. Great, now I will be heading into the summer without health insurance for my family. Thanks for the tax cuts!
Happy Spending we the taxpayers earned dollars for your own personal gain. Sadly, as you are stealing food out of my own kids mouths.
Tax credits are not the same as tax cut's. Use google to find out.
On this, we agree!
Well done and I salute you.
The Tea Party is a force to be reckon with, if Washington has not noticed. We are real, and real mad. We will come for those that do not know truth, conviction, and a record that will back up. Buyer beware.
What kind of government do we have? Do you know? You can find out here for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE&fe...
Restore the Republic,
God Bless America
Defense Spending that isnt spent on actual Defense should be cut.
Foreign aid is given under the guise of "Defense Spending" and that's
what needs to cease, not programs that actually defend the country or our allies.
and to anon:
Obama considers the tax credits he's liberally giving out as your "tax cut." So you only receive
these "tax cuts" is if you go along and abide to govt suggestions of "greening" your home or car,
or buying "green" products from one of their corporate buddie's companies ie: GE, GM, etc so I guess
if you want to consider those a "tax cut…" & he's still riding Bush's tax cuts(which were for everyone, despite the hogwash the MSM spews) that haventeven expired yet, and claiming them as his own.
Just keep your eye on the Tea Parties, though, you'll see how long we keep defending the Constitution
for people like yourselves who just haven't taken their blinders off yet.
http://blakelachappell.blogspot.com/
No.
Now forget that governing statement and go vote Republican, again. Good lemming.
Under Bush, if you earned $8,000 you paid $400 in taxes.
Under Obama if you earned $8,000 you paid $0 in taxes. Due the $400 tax credit.
And tax credits aren't tax cuts?
God you people are stupid.
Mytheos Holt, this has to be one of the best point – counterpoint pieces I've ever seen on BG!
Plus, it was a direct and easy read. Thanks!
Ok, you stated "T.E.A. Taxed. Enough. Already. After Obama cut taxes for 95% of us. "
Who are the 95% that you are referring to then.
Just so everyone is clear on this issue TAX CREDITS ARE NOT TAX CUTS!!!! They are not even in the same ballpark people.
Yeah right. Replace a D with an R, the one continuity is corruption.
Tea Party so far is just a different name on the same game. It needs to do more to prove it lives up to the message. The next 3 years will be VERY telling.
No offense, but, you could have just stopped at the headline. That says it all. And, by and large, that is exactly how the Tea Party has conducted itself.
I have to disagree with this advice. In today's political climate, it is certainly a good idea to focus on the out-of-control spending in Washington. But, to avoid all social issues is the equivalent of ceding this territory to the far-left. This is why the Left is winning. They start fires and, while conservatives are busy trying to put out the fire, they have moved on to other fires. The Left would love nothing more than for conservatives to focus on spending cuts while they go unchecked onto the other part of their agenda – the fundamentally altering American culture. This is why CATO and other libertarian / Ayn Rand-worshiping / "the economy is all that matters" folks should be avoided.
Taxpayers.
Are you really that stupid? Who else could I possibly be referring to?
Get lost, Goatse!
Go search for your head… http://goatse.ch/
Palin is a blip so far. She's been in our conscience for 2 years. Failed campaign, quit as governor. Meteoric rise as celebrity, best selling author, cult sensation. Her star burns hot right now, we'll see how long she is on the scene.
Same for Tea Party. Its been around even less time. The only consistency is hatred for Obama. It remains to be seen whether the movement is true to the rhetoric. So far its little more than a splinter conservative group that votes 90% Republican.
The video is excellent. Every tea partier would be wise to watch and consider. Grassroots does not equal populist. The tea parties are still just a blip.
Really? We are stupid? You are like a kid in the toy store who wants to buy up everything without regard of the cost, because, hey who cares, you're a kid and you don't think about where money comes from or how your toys will be paid for. You just want your toys. So your parents charge all of your wants and needs and you get all your nice toys and then can't understand why your parents are freaking out when the bill comes due, because hey, you have all these nice toys.
Reality check….headlines just from today:
The director of the Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday that the health care reform legislation would cost, over the next ten years, $115 billion more than previously thought, bringing the total cost to more than $1 trillion.
The United States posted an $82.69 billion deficit in April, nearly four times the $20.91 billion shortfall registered in April 2009 and the largest on record for that month, the Treasury Department said on Wednesday.
Then there is the national debt over 12 trillion.
Then there are unfunded liabilities of over 108 trillion. Total liability per each and every citizen: Over 351,000.
So your problem is that you can't see past today. You are unable to process information. You are unable to compute that at some point all this spending will have to be paid back. Instead, you crow about a tiny little tax cut and tell us we are the stupid ones.
One of my favorite movie quotes and I think it applies to what is happening today in the world…
"Now you will recieve us! We do not ask for your poor or your hungry. We do not want your tired and sick. It is your corrupt we claim! It is your evil that will be sought by us. With every breath we shall hunt them down. Each day we will spill their blood, 'till it rains down from the skies! Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace! These are not polite suggestions. These are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost! There are varying degrees of evil. We urge you lesser forms of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over, into true corruption, into our domain. For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three and on that day YOU WILL REAP IT! And will send you to whatever god you wish.
And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."
Film title:
Boondock Saints
Now now child lets not get into name calling. I was just trying to make sure that I understood what you are saying, if this is a problem for you to bad.
Just how exactly has he cut taxes for Americans?
By the way hasn't certain taxes on products like cigarettes increased at the same time?
we know, we know,……but if we take anon's toy away,…he will start crying,………..
so let him play with it,……….he's not hurting anyone
A tax rebate is not a tax cut, stupid.
totally agree there ngi,……..
we do not attack and win on,…. ALL fronts,………….. we won't have to worry about spending cuts.
Ayn Rand-worshiping is the truth, for some! The extremists I call "Randites". But we do need them, just as we do social conservatives. Who knows… maybe it'll take some of them pushing harder, farther right against the Socialists to restore some semblance of balance in this country. The 'right' must start a few (perceived) fires of our own.
I think he is trying to say: Feel free to speak to Social Issues… but don't use the Tea Party platform to do it, because as soon as you start to, you lose a lot of folks like me (small L libertarian).
Same with the Repub and Dem stuff… because on Fiscal issues its true that some Repubs are not your freind, and some Dems are…. because they often determine party loyalty because of Social issues….
So (IMO) if you try to make the Tea Party nothing more than a Parrot for the Repubs? You'll loose a LOT of support from Fiscal Con Dems, and Libertarians…
Tell me how giving someone that pays no federal taxes a one time " gift" is cutting taxes?
God your mom made a huge mistake
"Just how exactly has he cut taxes for Americans?"
The stimulus bill included $250 billion in tax cuts. $400 for individuals and $800 for couples.
And 95% of us benefited from them.
God, you Regressives are really beginning to sound desperate.
Well, actually it is. If something results in you paying less taxes, how is it not a tax cut? Conservatives always so that regulations that cause prices to go up are the equivalent of tax increases, so, in all fairness, I think you have to admit that a tax credit is a tax cut.
However, in my opinion, inflation is also the equivalent of a tax increase. The inflation that we will all be facing within the next few years will more than wipeout any tax cut put in place by Obama. And, low income people will be the hardest hit. So, unless Obama has some magical plan to print trillions of dollars without it having any effect on the value of the dollar, he has effectively raised all of our taxes.
What I think has not been considered is that there are a lot of folks out here (I am one) who agree with the Tea Party, but have not nor probably will not join up, associate with, or in effect identify with the Party. What holds us all together is not ideology or even organization, but just plain good sense. As long as the American people continue to discover it and keep it, we will succeed in "keeping our Republic."
"The director of the Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday that the health care reform legislation would cost, over the next ten years, $115 billion more than previously thought, bringing the total cost to more than $1 trillion."
Nothing but more wingnut nonsense.
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities' Paul N. Van de Water took a closer look at the CBO report, and sets the record straight.
In March, when CBO estimated health reform's effects on the deficit, it appropriately included all of the legislation's impact on mandatory spending. (Mandatory spending, like Medicare and Medicaid, continues from year to year unless Congress passes new legislation to reduce it.)
CBO's March estimate did not include the legislation's impact on discretionary spending — the spending Congress provides each year in appropriation bills — because the legislation did not directly affect discretionary spending. Moreover, there's no way CBO can estimate how the legislation might affect the future discretionary funding Congress will actually appropriate for any specific program or how that appropriation will affect total discretionary spending.
Instead, CBO in March provided a separate table showing the possible discretionary spending that could — contingent on future appropriations legislation — result from enactment of health reform. Yesterday's letter from CBO simply updated those figures.
Though I really don't expect anyone here to be able to understand it. You morons still can grasp the fact that Obama cut taxes.
"Common Sense" counts!
The Federal Government was created by a federation of States, sovereign States I might add. I wish the State legislatures would step up to the plate
I really appreciate that George Bush did that even though not one penny went to "actual tax payers"…!
Did you forget that little fact..?
Hmmm…?
"So (IMO) if you try to make the Tea Party nothing more than a Parrot for the Repubs? You'll loose a LOT of support from Fiscal Con Dems, and Libertarians…"
I think that is a valid point. The problem is, the Tea Party movement has become an all-encompassing movement for many on the Right. It would be better if the Tea Party could focus in on the spending issue and if grassroots conservatives could take their passion and activism and focus it on other movements if they are interested in other issues. This way the enthusiasm and grassroots action is out there but people can still unite under the "get spending under control" issue, which practically anyone with half a brain agrees with. The Tea Party movement has gotten so big that it has lost its message and to many people is just starting to resemble a GOP pep rally.
Please, do not accede to the lie that a tax credit or rebate is a tax cut. Don't let them tell us what the meaning of is, is. Pardon me for jumping in.
Wow that is great that people paying taxes get a whopping $400 for singles and $800 for couples, where was my head that is a partial monthly mortgage payment for couples or a car payment for singles.That is wonderful even though taxes have been raised in other areas to compensate for the so called tax cuts.
I see you avoided the other half of the question.
I think we all would like to see the states step up and retrieve their rights and powers as defined under the Constitution.
Who only makes $8000 a year?
Also what is your source for this?
8 grand is less than the so call "homeless" beggars make.
"The 'right' must start a few (perceived) fires of our own."
This is very true. The Right is always on defense. What would happen to a football team if it had to play defense for the entire game? Even if they played a perfect game, the best they could do is tie. This is why America has been slowly marching to the left for decades. Conservatives are focused on stopping the Left rather than pushing back with initiatives of our own.
What will happen if Republicans sweep Congress in November? All they will do is stop some of what Obama has planned. Even if the GOP takes the White House in 2012, they will spend the next 4 years rolling back only a small portion of what has passed in the past year. We need leaders with the courage to go on offense. Right now, I'm not seeing any. And please don't say Sarah Palin.
First let me say that we all are guilty of shredding the meaning of the word TAX. Inflation causes economic strain, yes. Paying a fee to get into a National Park takes money from a citizen and enriches the government, true enough, but it is a FEE not a TAX. Similarly, a one time rebate to tax payers and a tax credit encouraging the turning into scrap a clunker, or a one time caulk job is not a REDUCTION (we euphemistically call this a CUT) in personal taxes.
A recent poll of Tea Party participants had close to 25% Dems.
Yes, yes, yes. All the while Obama enjoys a majority Democratic/RINO Congress as he goes about bankrupting our country and wrecking a free-market based economy by bailing out Wall Street goons and "certain" Banking/Financial Institutions; overtaking private enterprise while pledging boatloads of money not to the investors who lost, but to the Unions who helped make those losses possible (using taxpayer money no less). I could go on and on but what's the use? At least Greece is happy again.
Now that Obamacare was rammed downed everyone's throat – it's on to Cap and Trade which is another tax scam that will consequently costs millions of jobs, and on, and on, and on. To hell with the Constitution; it went out with the bathwater. Meanwhile, this nation is advancing towards pure socialism.
Revolution time.
Sorry, but tax credits are tax cuts if they reduce someone's tax liability. I really don't see how you can argue otherwise. Call it what you want, but if it results in more of my money in my pocket and less of my money going to Washington, it is a tax cut. However, if you're talking about someone who already has no tax liability getting a tax credit, I think you can arguable say that this is more akin to a government handout than a tax cut. It just depends on who gets the tax credit.
If your going to sit at the table of big government, and tax and spend us into record deficits…………don't be surprised when we kick the legs out from under it.
That's a fairly simple creed.
Who only makes $8000 a year?
I choose $8,000 because around that number ones taxes would go from $400 to $0. And I have no idea who makes $8,000.
"Also what is your source for this?"
It's the law. You'll find it right beside all of the other laws. Here is the link to the IRS.http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=204335,...
I agree with this advice. The left loves to bog the right down in social issues.
Frankly, reduce government at all levels and the social issues become personal once again. And once things are back on the small scale, we find that people are more responsible and things like abortion start to disappear. Which is exactly why the left loves to bring up abortion. They know there are those on the right who will jump to the argument and then fiscal matters go by the wayside. Meanwhile people are getting this view of the issue as a big, vague wall about 'right to choose' rather than thinking about it as a personal responsibility issue. Because it's become a government issue.
So, no, the Tea Party must stay away from social issues or it's dead.
And, yes, beware of Republicans. They have a long way to go to make it back to the sensible party they were when they facilitated the production of prosperity and liberty in this country.
"Similarly, a one time rebate to tax payers… …is not a REDUCTION (we euphemistically call this a CUT) in personal taxes."
You have got to be kidding. Lowering one's taxes by $400 isn't a reduction in one's taxes?
On what planet do you live?
I would say you are mostly right. But I think, it depends on who is getting the tax credit. If you have no tax liability and you get a tax credit, then o.k. that is arguably a handout. But, if you are already paying taxes and a tax credit results in you owing less money to the government, I really don't see how this is not a tax cut.
And, actually, inflation is a tax increase. The government pays money to itself by printing money and we pay for it with a devalued dollar. It's a complicated and tricky tax increase but an increase nonetheless.
I'm afraid you're right. But, what other option do people really have in a 2 party system? I would love it if we had a parliamentary system like most European countries, which generally allows any party with more than 5% of the vote to get proportional representation in Congress. Then, people could vote their conscience without having to worry about "wasting" their vote. But, we've got to work with what we've got.
"Tell me how giving someone that pays no federal taxes a one time " gift" is cutting taxes?"
It's not. But, if a tax credit results in someone who IS paying taxes having to pay less in taxes, then "anon" has a point. Under any definition of the word, this would be a tax cut.
I am giving you one last chance. Which ONE are we talking about? If this is an across the board increase in the individual deduction, then an extra $400 would not amount to $400 of refund(if you were due one). There is not a dollar for dollar relationship between deductions and tax savings. If it is truly a tax REDUCTION, then how do you arrive at $400? We are all taxed a percentage rate applied to our taxable income and the amount saved would vary greatly between different tax payers. Have you ever paid taxes? or did you just get $400?
Put up or shut up.
You're right about abortion. As long as Roe v. Wade is the law of the land, you are wasting your time politically on this issue. But what about other social issues like education? Conservatives have to step up and fight for what's theirs on these issues. Maybe the Tea Party isn't the vehicle needed to address these issues, but someone's got to address them.
Well said. There are still a few 'hopefuls' (not Palin) but not nearly enough.
Yes, if we don't go on offense now we likely never will….. we will continue our decline into a situation worse than exists in the E.U.
I guess you are just too smart for me. I guess then if I have a V.A. loan, the interest I pay is a tax?
Maybe I should be clear–The income tax rate should be lowered, The taxes on cell phones, gasoline, cigarettes, booze, SS TAX medicare TAX ad nauseum should be lowered or eliminated. Taxes are too high. I know it and you know it, unless you've drunk the koolade.
Thats way too high. You need to cite the poll so it can be confirmed.
I'm looking at a NY Times/CBS poll that has 5% identify as Democrat, 54% Repub. and 36% independent. Another question in the survey about voting behavior mimicks that 5% Dem on the nose, and also indicates much higher voting behavior for Republicans.
http://documents.nytimes.com/new-york-timescbs-ne...
That 90% voting R was a total exaggeration. I wasn't quoting a study or anything. Didn't mean it to be literal, but I shouldn't throw out statistics like that without some backing. My point still holds, just not the percentage I used. its closer to 7 in 10, not 9 in 10.
Stick your chin out and enjoy the ride, homophobe
please don't feed the troll. anon is full of it and is only looking for arguments. He is a mental midget
we endorse, GOP hopes to get the endorsment
Also a one time tax credit is NOT at tax cut.
You're right — we just want to be left alone to do what we do best — it's ridiculous we need to take our country back — but here we are.
As for the Tea Party liking Social Security and Medicare, I think the real issue is our investment already under the bridge.
If you were to offer the average American to rebate the 13% a year in salary they involuntarily coughed up to FICA for all the years they were in the workforce, I'm guessing most would take the lump sum cash payout.
What you are seeing when you ask 60-year-olds if they are opposed to Social Security is really a protection of their prior investment.
CATO, AEI, Heritage Foundation, and Hoover Institute — all good things but no one group has all the answers. Tea Party is distillation of 4-5 things we need immediately. We have to have them.
Constitutional government, fiscal responsibility, limited government, strong national defense. That pretty much does it. On social issues, if in doubt — refer back to the Constitution, if it ain't in there, they're just making it up.
No problem.
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Tea party plan is the American plan. We win, they lose. And, we're winning. Go America
The smart GOP candidate will court the Tea Party by speaking to the core issues of the size and scope of govt, limiting spending and new programs, keeping taxes low and working to compare all legislation to the Constitutional powers of Congress.
Palin is having a little problem right now, straying. Hope she gets it out of her system early and stops. She would make a good Interior Secretary right now, unless she makes a transformation, but I like her. Since she is the only one getting up in Obama's face right now she's earned the right to do anything she wants right now.
Mitch Daniels of Indiana would make good 2012 candidate.
Others have said it will take some time (a couple of election cycles) for candidates to embrace the Tea Party. It is a risk. Surely the left and the media will paint them as "teabaggers."
The challenge for the Tea Party is to hang together with enough of a public voice to get noticed. They are obviously politically active, some for the first time in their lives. But the GOP has no doubt the Tea Party patriots are no strangers to the voting booth.
I just finished working for a Republican Congressional Primary candidate in Ohio who publicly categorized himself as a "TEA Party Republican". I personally spoke with several people who identified themselves as lifelong Democrats who wanted to display a yard sign for my candidate and supported the candidate. These folks made it clear they did not want to become Republican and were supporting my candidate because of: 1) his TEA Party ties, 2) because they would not support a mainstream Republican, and 3) they would not support the Democrat Blue-Dog who sits in the seat now because they feel that the President is destroying the country and their party.
The Leftist Government is operating as if there will be no day of reckoning in November. There is a reason for this. Either they have figured that they can still win elections in one way or another or they know that there will be no elections this November, one or the other has to be true. I'm not counting on the conventional wisdom that says the Democrat party will be removed from power in this midterm election. If the Democrat Party believed that then they would not be openly defying We The People as they are, because they certainly crave power more than anything else.
“You're getting $600 – what can you do with that?” Mrs. Obama said in Pontiac, Michigan last week. “Not to be ungrateful or anything, but maybe it pays down a bill, but it doesn't pay down every bill every month. The short-term quick fix kinda stuff sounds good, and it may even feel good that first month when you get that check, and then you go out and you buy a pair of earrings."
I have no doubts that in the circles of power in both the democratic and republican parties they believe the Tea Party must be destroyed. As far as republicans are concerned, I can think of no better analogy than the scene from Braveheart when Wallace and his men are betrayed by the Scottish nobles and cut to pieces by the English – that’s what the republicans are planning.
The 2009 movement was essentially libertarian and constitutionalist, by 2010 many rallies were co-opted by republican mouthpieces & the MSM have since done a splendid job in slandering and misrepresenting the whole affair. I’m of the personal opinion that the “tea-party” has such a bad rap with the uninformed that it needs to be abandoned and reinvented.
anon is a little flea….
He drinks Koolade,
But needs some TEA.
Maybe than little anon will see….
That left is wrong, and right is
where he should be!!
You are way too funny. Now I understand I'm just a moron, but this moron is unable to grasp the fact that all of a sudden our congress is going to pass an entitlement program that is going to lower the deficit and will not increase costs. Can you point me in the right direction of what entitlement program has worked that way.
Let's see, unfunded liability of SS: Over 14 trillion.
Unfunded liability of Medicare: Over 75 trillion.
Unfunded liability of Prescription Drug: Over 18 trillion.
I'm going out on a limb here and I'm going to have to call you a moron for being unable to look at our history or see past the present. Your thinking is way beyond immature and borders on delusional.
History shows us that the colonies overthrew British reign because they were united in what they were AGAINST.
It didn't take longer than the start of Washington's second term to discover that what were thought to be close alliances were far apart on what they AGREED upon (e.g. Adams vs Jefferson vs Hamilton).
I'm a pragmatist; lets unite on those things we agree are wrong and vote the progressives (and their policies) out.
Once we are in "the catbird's seat" we can figure out how to advance our several social directions, without giving up the majority.
Harry:
The Tea Party was not "invented" in the first place. No matter what you call it, it is the remnant of Americans who have the same spirit as those who fought for liberty in the War for Independence. We will fight this time around just like they did.
Do you hear that? Anon doesn't take us seriously.
I just don't know how I can go on living.
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