New CATO Study Shows Educators Lie
by Mytheos HoltAs any exasperated advocate of commonsense education reform can tell you, liberals and their allies in the teachers unions will, like drunken spammers, never cease to declaim on how “PUBLIC EDUCATION NEEDS MORE MONEYS LOL.” Yet, as highlighted in the video above, a recent study by the CATO Institute has found that public educators routinely lie about the exorbitant costs of education so as to keep parents from realizing just how little the vaunted Leftist sacred cow of public education actually provides for their child. Yes, you read right. When it comes to public education costs, some of the biggest liars are people who our tax dollars pay to teach the truth.
Just as an example, the CATO study found that, while Washington DC public schools claim to spend about $17,000/student, the actual price tag is closer to $28,000. Just to put this in perspective, this is a higher price than the private Potomac School, Georgetown Preparatory School, Stone Ridge School and Georgetown Visitation Preparatory School. In fact, it’s only $2,000 less than Sidwell Friends, the ultra-exclusive private academy where President Obama’s own daughters attend.
In other words, parents in Washington are spending nearly as much on schools with a 41.8% dropout rate as they could be on a school that produced Nancy Reagan and Bill Nye and is widely regarded as one of the best private schools in the nation. One is reminded of Ronald Reagan’s quotation during his 1964 speech that “But again we do some arithmetic, and we find that we’re going to spend each year just on room and board for each young person we help 4,700 dollars a year. We can send them to Harvard for 2,700! Course, don’t get me wrong. I’m not suggesting Harvard is the answer to juvenile delinquency.”
Maybe not, but time in the Washington, DC school system certainly isn’t the answer to juvenile delinquency! Just ask the kids over in Ward 8.
And if that seems scandalous, then believe me, that’s just a taste of all the explosive revelations the CATO study has to offer, which is why I’d urge any freedom loving reader on this website to take a look at it. It will shock you, it will anger you, but unlike the public education system, it will also actually enlighten you.
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This problem is nothing more than a symbol of a system that is broken. Until someone stands up, holds up their hand and says whoa, enough is enough, it will continue unabated. Ten years from now, we can show up here, have the same conversation, and the only thing that will have changed, is the numbers will have quadrupled.
Its unbelievable the amnt of cash we dump into the education system only to
recieve the garbage we do.
Now Mr. Holt you know this is for the children, you’re gonna burn in hell.
Another example of a parasitic beaurocracy killing the host. A teachers union is criminal and we need to make it our business to get rid of them over several election cycles. If there’s anything that needs to be performance rated for quality, is our education system. Critical thinking will be gone, but we’ll damn well know how to get in touch with our feelings and inner-diversity!…useless!
Where is the NEA in all of this deception? Right up to it's union ears.
They were forced by a judge to drop 2 billion dollars into KC Mo school district. This was for racial purposes. The district has had 2/3rds drop in students and is insolvent. The more money dumped into system, the faster the decline.
If you are not educating your at home or in a private setting you're short changing their future and their happiness for the balance of their adult lives..
The new math. Vouchers would solve many problems. The criminal unions are afraid of vouchers. The suits in the district are afraid of vouchers. Just wait till more districts admit they are millions underfunded for retirement plans.
One of two things needs to happen, either put in a voucher system or tie the money to the individual child and let them vote with their feet. However, remember education always begins and ends in the home.
When individuals of questionable moral values feel completely protected by the system of tenure, they have no incentive to have ethics. They feel that they can not be punished at all, so they fail to do their jobs and resort to fraud with total arrogance and immunity. Tenure does not exist in the business world and the ethics even if motivated by fear of failure to do the right thing is a big part of the success of business. Tenure has rubber rooms full of only a portion of the incompetent, most are in the classroom. No damn wonder Johnny can't read and Laquisha can't run a register and count out change at the 7-11. Remove tenure and fire incompetent people.
Teacher's unions are nothing more than a criminal, affirmative action organization!! When my son was in the 7th grade, his math teacher told me he was ready for algebra, he was so excited…until he came home the first day and told me he couldn't understand a word she said…I tried to get them to change his class…they said NO! If a teacher can't teach WHY is she/he getting paid????
The only diversity worthy of celebration is that of opinion.
My parents and grandparents were all teachers, so I have respect for the profession, but they were locked into a antiquated compensation system that favors unions, and not the kids or their education.
SOLUTION
Give individual teachers 20 students x $10,000 ea. for $200,000., and they spend $50,000 on rent, supplies, special lectures, trips, etc. They keep $150,000 if all the kids met the goals and passed. They get two more students each year as long as they continue to produce passing students. They get fewer students each year until they start passing. They get more money per student for special or problem children. (If we gave them figures like the above 20k per student it would blow their minds). They would love it and they would jump at the chance.
The free market works, so we should turn teachers into educational entrepreneurs. They would love it.
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The problem is all the administrative costs that are not needed. The Union and Pension expenses are a problem. Schools have been failing across the nation. Congress likes to chase bad programs with good money. Nothing New.
On http://www.americanparchment.com there's story after story about schools closing and the money that is being paid out to their unions (bad programs), with tax-payer money (good money). We need a change.
Great point, that's exactly what the problem is. The unions are a fu***** joke. They need to be eliminated and let the people compete for all jobs. You would see a change over night in peoples attitudes and the economy.
It's infuriating. In my community, we just learned that the district is cutting $48 million from their budget over the next three years. It's a medium – large district and we have 6 failing schools that are probably going to be closed and yet the stupid parents are screaming "more money!" Every one of the failing schools is in an area of low income, mostly illegal residents. The signs on the schools outside are in Spanish! They don't even bother with bilingual signs any more.
California is a giant sucking hole that the rest of you will probably have to bail out because "it's too big to fail!" But it's failing and it saddens me so because it used to be as close to Paradise on earth as one could get. And still the legislature is spending money and passing bills that will drive even more money out of the state. What is it about leftists that they just refuse to understand economics 101????
The problems with education can be be completely cure if we can dispose of all of these five root causes of utter failure; unions, tenure, excessive wages, bloated benefits and enormous unfunded pensions.
When failure and mediocrity are incentivized the end result is failure and mediocrity.
It is changing. Like a tidal wave, you don't see it until it strikes because teh Ocean is wide and deep, but the tidal energy is there – when it hits the shore – well, ask the folks in Indonesia how that worked out. NOT good.
The American Public was prevented from expressing itself for 2 reasons for 40 years. First, a media that worked to undermine liberty, support progressives, and isolate the conservative majority. Second, teh racism card was wielded like a club. No one could challenge liberal, progressive orthodoxy without being called a RACIST. Once labled, you lost you career and ability to earn income. Therefore you remain silent and further isolated.
Barak Obama liberated us from Racism & the Defense department developed I-net liberated us from teh media along with talk radio.
The tidal wave coming is 40 years of pent-up[ rage coming down. Look at Texas book ward. look at NY-23, where teh RINOs were hunted and killed. Look at teh re-districing landscape that is emerging. Look at teh 9/12 event – I was there. The Dems have. no. idea. what. is. coming.
ellie, First they can not do the math to figure it out! And more important, is that many got their teaching credentials with no educational base themselves. Universities are accepting students who can not read or do math let alone write a paper. Mom & Dad are paying for kids to get papers on-line and paying test takers in too many of the large campus enviornments. When Seniors at ASU (where my son is soon to graduate from) shows me a peers paper or email constructed with less ability than a 7th grader did 30 years ago, I get utterly ill as well as frightened. Incomplete thoughts, mispellings, improper punctuation are the norm now and if the professor raises cain over it they get in trouble. This is extreme progressive control of education gone amuck via unions and an overly accepting set of parents who have failed a majority of the nations children.
Its so true. I homeschooled our three daughters most of their education and when they got to College their Prof's were surprised with their knowledge many of the Classics, Shakespeare and with their work ethic. My two oldest did have a period of time where they tried on the Liberal metallic hat…but it didn't last long. My youngest never went down the Liberal road…different personality totally. They are all what we jokingly call "MacGyver's", they can make something out of odds and ends…critical thinkers, discuss the Classics and work anyone into the ground. They are old fashioned American's if you will…
will the gov force them to take 29 cents on the dollar…I'm mistaken, that only happens to the 'private' citizens…not 'public' citizens
All mine went to private Christian schools where the tuition was half (or even more than half) what the schools said they were spending per pupil. When one school changed hands, I voted on that by walking to another school, something that is nigh on impossible in the government school setting.
Government schools cry, "We have to educate all the children, we don't have the ability to throw out the troublemakers and the special needs children like private schools do." Which is exactly why my kids went to private school. I read (several years ago-who knows what it is now) that our district spent upwards of $60,000 per special needs kids. Now, don't get me wrong, there are special needs kids that should be accommodated, but there has to be a better way. I don't think a lot of them are receiving the attention they need when they're mainstreamed and if they are, then the other students are being neglected. Many have attendants that accompany them the whole day – I just don't see the benefit – other than it makes people feel like they're doing something wonderful.
If I'm wrong, educate me. Just don't call me names!
They can throw billions of dollars into the school system, but if the students’ parent(s) place no value on education and offer no positive role model, the students and schools will continue to fail.
Currently 70% of black babies and 50% of Hispanic babies are born outside of wedlock, many to teens who are themselves uneducated, ill-informed and disinterested in their childrens’ education. Without positive mentors, students are doomed to failure.
i've heard of similarly misleading accounting with the USPS. not counting the construction & land expense and financing costs of buildings, retirement bennies, etc. more examples of stuff that would have dire tax/legal consequences for a private business.
After reading all of the comments here I ask my son who is a freshman in college if he thought he was taught or indoctrinated and he said that he thinks they are indoctrinated. He said they do not teach they make you memorize and your grades are based on your test. Is that not pathedic or what?
It's a sad reflection on ourselves that we need a study to show the obvious.
Reading "A Patriot's History of America" shows where the education system went wrong.
Remember – - – it's not called PROGRESSIVE education by chance.
Progressives do not believe in ideas or virtue. They are amoralists who are Earth Dwellers, descendants of pond-scum by their own admission. They look to create a "classless society" in which some animals are more equal than other animals, they being the more equal bunch. This is why PETA equates mankind with slugs, but ignores the unborn.
If it all sounds nutty, that's because it is. There is no logic with progressives. And it has been said that hell is a place in which there is no logic.
If you take the biblical concept of Earth Dwellers and Pilgrims seriously, things to start to make sense. There are two kinds of humans in the world. If you do not know which you are, you are an Earth Dweller. The others are "Strangers in a strange land."
CATO should look at where the money is spent. If a public utility (gas, electricity, water, etc.) spent the money the school system does on office furnishings, trips, junkets, conferences in the Caribbean Isles, Hawaii, etc. they would be brought up on charges. But the school board, and administrative staff consider that just some of the MANY perks. Go to a local board meeting, they have better furnishings than the mayor and city council! Why? is it to convey their Power? Elitism? WHAT? Meanwhile, the school has peeling paint and broken desks.
So it seems that most all public school systems have no problem cheating or fudging about the costs of "educating" their students. Wonderful that they're in charge of our youth.
The average wage of a K-12 teacher is about $43 thousand while the average cost per student (schools included in CATO video above) is $17,800. Overall, class size average is about 22, whether it be public, charter, or private schools.
If 22 students (at $17,800 each) cost $391,600 and we allow that three specialized teachers (at $43,000 each are used to teach this class of 22 for the year, that still leaves over $260,000 for a room, teaching supplies and transportation.
Yet every year we are told schools need yet more money. The federal government spends nearly six times more (adjusted for inflation) for K-12 education than it did in 1965, with worsening results each year.
Unless we demand change, there is no hope. We need to break the union's grip and open up K-12 education to charter schools and vouchers for private schools. Let competition and results determine action.
http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/education/k-1...
When you say "over several election cycles" it bothers me. I'm getting more frustated by the day. My patience is wearing very thin. I don't think I'm alone in that regard.
Cardilover- I am going to call you names, some of the worst names a person can be called these days. You are a "responsible parent", a" fiscal conservative", and wose yet ,I consider you a "Patriot".
I'm kinda with Cowboy Logic on this. I see no change, I only see more an more filth being uncovered and no one doing anything to force these b@stards to clean up. Public schools should be banned they are producing confused children that can barely read and write oh but the happy retirees with great pensions are on the rise.
That takes care of half the problem.
Come on, are you really saying that it's not Whitey's fault? You mean I really haven't been holding back other cultures from succeeding? What? You mean it's not my fault that the majority of prison populations are not white? I recently had a Latina friend tell me that there is such a high population of Latinos in jail because the courts are rigged against minorities. Yes, really.
I can only hope you are right! But from what I have seen and more importantly what I have felt, there is a ground swell building, how deep and pervasive is yet to be known, but it is there.
Transparency, the very thing that Obama campaigned on is one thing we all want but he has deliver none. Transparency like this simple and direct video discloses is just the kind of common sense information we ALL need. No more coloring of emotion when it comes to basic values and getting value for the blood we pay in taxes. It is no small wonder that the TEA party wants simple goals, Transparency, integrity, accountability,,you know that kind of stuff.
With luck we will get more honest people in office (the unachievable dream) but even if they are close to our goals, many things will change.
Scrubbing out the UNIONS and the PROGRESSIVE'S influence will not be quick or easy but it needs to be done and it needs to get started.
Our voices, our army of David's can do the job!
No, No ,No, there Sunshine,……. I think ellie is on to something,…. at least i think so,…..
the teaching of children should be structured more as interaction by individuals and not,……
by a system (i.e., the Chicago Public School System).
Now if a group of parents wany to coordinate their efforts,…fine..
the only involvement the government should have is maybe provide a yardstick to measure the level of how much a child is learning.
But maybe I am reading to much in ellie's comment but I sure liked the feeling it gave me.
Look for the Union Label
Yea, but you know what they about the squeaky wheel there cowboy….it got them….
2 billion last time.
That is what this is all about. The plundered retirement plans of every union out there needs the bailout to cover for their fraudulent activities. UAW is a prime example: once they sucked the competative life out of the big 3 they squandered and stole from their rank and file pension plans and health care plans to the point that they would have been exposed had the bailouts not happened. As it is we the tax payers ponied up for their corruption and they dodged that bullet. NO MORE. The retirement contracts of the union members are the anchor around this nation's neck, dragging us to the bottom. Clean up the unions and we save our economy, it really is that simple.
It is a good thing that prayer has been taken out of schools.
If it wasn't, we'd be going further broke buying prayer rugs for all the little urchins………
My youngest daughter is a product of a Catholic school education and,….
all her life she wanted to become a teacher,…..her dream came true three years ago,… and….
started to work as a 2nd grade teacher for the Chicago Public School system,…….poor thing,….
I made sure she had a good education,…graduated from University of Illinois,….. but,….
i did not give her any amount of street education,……hell she didn't even know what UNION DUES were.
I tell her to fight the system as much as she can and to not give up on her principles.
If she gets fired,….fine….her mother and father are still there for her and she still has her bedroom.
For her sake I sure hope she finds a rich guy to marry.
Hey StoryKeeper,
I ran across a post today from the other day, that you said you sent me an email. I didn't get anything.
I do untderstand the risk reward system and agree it has it's merits. The iisue becomes qualifying those selected to participate first off and then what to do with the truly slower student. Can you imagine if all the children came home daily with say 3 hours oif homework and Mom and Dad bore the brunt? I also mention the slower student as I watched my great nephew for a year while his Father was in Iraq and that child at age 10/11 did not have the brain matter to function at a grade 3 level never mind grade 5 that he was in. To borrow from Glenn Beck, the kid is a dumb, dumb, dumbie and I doubt will ever function in society in any true form. All minds are not created equal. But, I think the idea does have some merit for trials which could beat the current failure!
I live in KC (and taught KCMO for about three years), and they're hysterical about it. What you have to understand is that there is an inherently dysfunctional structure between the school board and district administration. We've gone through roughly 5 or 6 superintendents in less than ten years. The current super is facing enormous shortfalls because the whole city is essentially broke (big surprise and too long to properly go into). He sees a school district with more building than the enrollment levels justify, so he opts to close and consolidate as a means of saving money. Now to understand that this really isn't a radical idea, understand that one of the proposed consolidations aims to reduce places like the African-centered elementary campus, which has three buildings but only enough students to properly use one of those buildings, to consolidate. The school board is enormously upset at this and may soon give another super the boot.
In Detroit the students cannot even structure a sentence properly unless it has rap lyrics in it. HEY WAIT A MINUTE…. No public school children can structure a sentence…that would be educating THEM.
Here is a solution…stop giving them your hard earned money.Especially if you are already sending your child to a private school, or better yet are homeschooling.
i think things are going to change soon.. I see more people, who have in the past worked and taken care of their families, getting involved in running for elections for all sorts of things. It's past time for common sense and adults to take over and get rid of the malcontents .. root 'em out.. throw them out… it has begun….
Some things are just plumb nuts, defying all logic and common sense. What is the point of keeping schools open, if the population doesn't support it. I understand what you are saying about the School Boards, and the Superintendants. They all build personal fifedoms.
I went to catholic school from 5th grade on, with a class student number size of 40….The difference between private and public education was when a child acted up and told a teacher off, or constantly fought other students, or could not learn, he or she was not there the next day to drag the rest of the students down.
There is so little critical thinking in American education. I have a friend with a very bright kid in high school and his entire junior year so far has been spent preparing for some standardized test. He has not been assigned a single novel to read. I have looked at some of his texts and they are shocking.
The World War Two section of what passes for a "history book" has no mention of what the Japanese were doing in China during the thirties or FDR's blockade to try and stop them. It mentions Dresden and of course Hiroshima/Nagasaki but omits the Bataan death march. I don't actually think this is political as much as it is just plain lazy.
The kid is very smart but doesn't test well. I have started giving him some books to read (he had never, EVER read Dickens) and wouldn't you know it? He's curious and absorbed and thoughtful. Too bad none of his teachers seem to think so.
Wish I could, you can't pay part of your property taxes and school taxes are included in it. Here it amounts to an extra 10 to 12%
A rich conservative, right?
It's got to be sad for real teachers out there. The unions choke the life blood out of them and the entire teaching profession. I can understand coal miners needing a union, but why teachers? And what's with tenure? Where did that come from?
check your junk mail. It is a story that I found that will blow you away. The Cuban Missile Crisis was way more than was reported and i am getting it from a guy who was there.
Trouble is the media excells at missing the real point in everything. Promote the symptoms never talk about the disease. Bad teachers is the end result of a corrupted system. Fire all the teachers and you still have the corrupt system. Just like helath reform, the auto dealers and the grand master, the housing crisis. They will never address the root becaue it is the government that is the root.
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As our country goes in to the economic toilet, we will see more of this reasoning become more prevalent. It's to bad we have to take a trip into the sewer to find the answers….but then again I am not so certain the sewer will bring reason to all.
Look for the UNION label,,,,,and then stomp the daylights out of it.
Like all petty tyrannies, they will not go away just because you ask them to. This will get ugly before it gets done especially since it is they who adhere to the principle of the end justifying the means. "When the power of pursuasion fails, they use the pursuasion of power" No reason to doubt them!
Education in private schools is treated as a privilege not a right! That is really the crux of it all!
Wholeheartedly agree on every point, & might I add that a 'precedent' has been set that
we must fight like HELL, when the 'too big to fail' talk re. teachers unions begins. We best
be formulating our arguments & strategy in advance.
seen it in my own very small town…..native of community postmaster retires,……USPS moves in
new postmaster from another small town, 40 miles away. She works as one would expect for
the first year or so. Supervisors then begin sending her to drive to her former hometown to work
almost daily. After a year of this schedule, supervisor begins sending her to work in a semi-near-
by (65mi) city. From there the supervisor begins having her fly to major city (1 hr flight after 1 hr
drive) daily, to train & work, I must assume for a higher position. But the USPS claims almost
annually to be in dire straits? After spending all this money to train & promote her, she will retire
in 5 yrs. W T F ? ? ?
Whether you are being indoctrinated or being taught lazily depends on what school you go to. You can't generalize about all schools. In terms of text books, these text books are written or you would hope be written with the assistance of research. If major events and US policies are overlooked, I think it is a little naive given what we know about the tendency of educators to indoctrinate, that it is merely laziness.
The textbook you describe in the hands of a lazy educator would provide kids with an incomplete historical perspective. This leaves room for other, more radical teachers to inject their take on history, painting the United States as the great evil imperialist nation that the left has been portraying us as pretty much since Vietnam. How people fall for this lame spiel is beyond me, it was clearly cooked up by someone other than an American. But now this perspective is so widespread in our education system that I would not doubt that the proponents of these views have almost full control over what our school textbooks say.
Not sure if anyone else brought this up, but the per-pupil numbers reported in California don't include the money given to schools by the lottery, thus mis-representing the total.
What is your take on some of the obscene expenditures that have been reported like the "Olympic sized pool, the radio station and the 6 lane indoor track? How much of of the 2 billion went to things like that?
True. I think the poor quality of the texts does open the door for student manipulation. But I am still more concerned with teacher laziness than I am with their potential radicalization. It's way to hard to get rid of teachers who are just plain bad at what they do.
Oh, I almost forgot. Two whole pages on Vietnam and 5 on Watergate. Nuts.
Off the topic, but anybody else here seen this? Why the hell does Department of Education need shotguns for?
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=...
So, BHO sends his kids to an ultra-exclusive private school.Dosen't surprise anyone.
Wonder who pays for his "fat"(MHO's words,btw) kids to attend Sidwell fiends(pun intended)?
+Hanzo+
With you as her Father, she'll be ok Ralph. Blood is thicker than water and family ties run deep. I've already elicited a promise from each of my children to live with me and never leave for the rest of my life.;^)
It's worth a try, eh? +Hanzo+
As a former teacher, I have often told people that school districts get more than enough money. The real problem is (and has been) how the money is used. Ask any teacher and they can tell you that every year they lose more teacher aides and support personnel, but somehow the district is able to fund more curriculum personnel and assistant principals. I read today where Nashville is going to lay off bus drivers and custodians…no mention of those earning the real money—school administrators. Teachers are expected to work hard because it's "a calling" and not be in it for the money. Ask administrators why they are in education.
I am a teacher and I would love it. Get the heck out of my way and let me take the resources and get the job done. The union does somethings very well, however it is over the top in protecting the least of us, instead of self policing and escorting the underachieving and mismatched teaching professionals out the door. I practice physical therapy and as a teacher want to practice in the clinic with the best. I do not want to graduate anyone I would not want to practice next to in the clinic. As a teacher, I do not want to work next to the bottom dwellers either. Hey, and just for the record, as a child of the 60-70's, not everyone went to Woodstock or marched in the streets. Many of us were working to put ourselves thru school and paying the bills. We are still doing that for the stone throwers with pensions and Medicare. The problem is you always eventually run out of other peoples money.
OH NO! Not the dreaded responsible hate speech!
Seriously, thank you! I'll wear those monikers with pride!
The wonders of state run education.
It looks like the more you spend the worse it gets.
My mother used to be a teacher, and she was a union thug(representative). At times she would talk the party line, about how important teacher's jobs were, how the district was always a problem.
The scary part was she never did say anything about the students.
That tells a lot about our education system.
It's the same in health care. We hired so many middle managers just to fill out the endless paperwork required by government fiat and you knew darn well no one read them!
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Yes, but…in 30 years, kids will pass American History since it will only go back 20 years
…and as of YESTERDAY, the KC school board approved shutting down (permanently) ONE HALF OF ALL SCHOOLS WITHIN CITY JURISDICTION.
…I won't mention the "wisdom" of government health "care", I swear.
CM Sackett
Garbage in.
Garbage out.
We need Vouchers! Until the public school system realilzes that it must compete efficiently on par with other schools, property and other taxes will continue to go up as they advertise one figure for spending and claim that they need even more. When the books are opened and people are given true choice costs come down and efficiencies and quality goes up!
The bigger problem is the beauracracy of the public school system. District superintendents make salaries around $200,000/yr. to oversee a huge system. Schools need to be controlled locally, within a city, not a county or larger region. Salaries for the top administrators need to be capped and laws need to be established to limit the autonomy of public school districts.
I like the free-market attempt, but honestly when you put huge dollars on an individual compensation basis for results, the results tend to get artificially better. There will be rampant cheating for personal gain. I agree that there needs to be an incentive, but there also needs to be oversight and a more qualitative approach than standardized testing alone.
for some reason this study doesnt surprise me. The planet is getting hotter we need money,
The school kids arent getting educated we need more money
The post office has low revenues we need more money
The banks are failing we need more money
The car companies are faling we need more money
The turtles need a over pass we need more money
Everything is a crisis with these people
and last but not least,
The health care system is failing we need to pass this monstrous bill, to get more money
Hold on…hold on…hold on.
How can you talk about our public schools in that manner?
If we don't have public schools controlled by the teachers unions how can we force feed our children the line of liberal crap they need in their daily diets? Our children might actually come to realize, at an early age, that worthless pieces of crap that leech off society are …. worthless pieces of crap the leech off society rather than being poor and downtrodden because whitey makes it that way.
Our public education system is not about educating, its about indoctrinating. There has been very little educating going on in the public system for over 40 years. The real problem is there is no depth of teaching of the Classics, History, Civics, Critical Thinking and Pure Science. They also have adopted the philosophy of trying to create "Self Esteem" in a child, which ironically will come with a good solid education. Everything is taught with the overtones of forming a mind that extrudes the mantras of their teachers…little parrots. When you don't teach basics and just indoctrinate, no amount of money thrown at the system will educate the child. God forbid we look at the history of pubic education and try to re-implement what has worked in the past. Until we demand that they teach the basics and critical thinking, our kids will nothing but another "brick in the wall"…
Never say die there Hanzo,…like your style.
Funny, this topic about schools. Did y'all see where Kansas City is closing 1/2 of their public schools?
That just may be a godsend…
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I saw that this week and I was kind of happy for them. All public schools should be closed and parents should home school, send the kids to a private school or now you can buy 'online' school where your student does independent studies via the internet and then takes a test. There are so many more options than public school. Detroit has one of the highest spending per student and they have this incredible drop out rate. Parents need to get involved in their student's education, I was terrified going to school in the 70s kids are so mean.
Perversely we have the recession to thank for exposing this in such a gut level that the porgressives can no longer hide this sh!t.
I saw a Newsweek cover at Borders that had the cover story of fixing education. Their solution is to fire bad teachers. You know the issue is becoming obvious when even Newsweek starts to speak out.
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i kept telling my oldest daughter she wasnt going to leave till she was 43
now she lives in oregon with a guy who makes jewelry and the work for obummer
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amen…between schools, enviro-nazis, illegal immigrants, and sacramento its enough to make you want to hang yourself from the Hollywood sign. I have lived here my whole life and I just can't believe my own eyes sometimes. Now we hear about the illegal immigrant "bust the border" application for cell phones and guess what….it was developed at UC San Diego using federal grant money and state taxpayer funds. The school is defending its development as "an expression of free speech". UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
There is a whole other discussion here too- what the hell is in the water in San Diego lately??
Teachers Unions care about TEACHERS not students. This constant crying for more money has been going on forever. Each time the money is dispensed the results seem to get worse. The truth is quantity of money does NOT quality of results
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[...] Department of Education, and stop wasting tax payer money, and let the states decide what is best. New CATO Study Shows Educators Lie from Big Government by Mytheos Holt. Obama to gut No Child Left Behind from American Thinker [...]
For the child's sake, they swindle us freely!! Most are forced to send our children to these prison atmosphere training centers Re-education camps). We are robbed without mercy or remorse, when they are incapable to educate our children, they shout they need more resources!!! If it was a private industry, it would be out of business, no consumer in his/her right mind would voluntarily send their child to one of these institutions, who's primary goal is to teach your child that what you taught them is wrong, they must be indoctrinated into a new belief!!
The Obama Youth Corps…in the early grades…like ROTC…but communist.! shoTguns???…Mao is smiling…defend the Voting Booths come November from ACORN penetrators…and Black Panthers with BaseBall Bats…arm up, they are. nov2
NO Taxation without Representation. I want the 4,000,000 jobs back. Pay back all the damn money to China and others that we borrowed. Burn the azzzPlates who took and won't tell where it went…GITMO Beach Parties for Congressional OBAMA miniMAOists…this shat has to end…before we do…
That is fine, I will be glad to see funding of public schools ended…and as a teacher I will start charging each family the going rate…sort of like a lawyer or a psyhcologist does. I should improve my tax bracket by several steps…It would be very nice for teachers to be paid like the professional they are.
Understand that my time with the district was limited and I really only worked in one building. I know that building had a swimming pool, but I'm guessing the Olympic sized pool was at Center High School which was "greek" themed or some weird crap like that. The district had schools that were themed almost like mini-magnets within the district. Some of them weren't bad. The school centered on the fine arts was pretty good and had some fine artists, dancers, and performers. Their was a college prep high school that was also very good. The other schools, while not good, did have a few fine programs here and there. The high school that was partnered with the junior high I taught at, had a ROTC program that turned out rifle and glove drill teams that regularly competed at the national level.
Overall, the buildings obviously had little to no respect from the students and were in some obvious disrepair. By the time my last year was up, there were open holes in the walls of two hallways that had not been closed over for lack of money. They had the money to build it, but not the money to maintain it.
CATO makes as good an argument as any for abolishing Public Education. That is the only solution. We may all have the right to PURSUE and education but we do not have the right to be handed an education; therefore, it should not be provided by the govt at all. It is precisely because education is treated as an entitlement in this country that it is not valued or appreciated.
Furthermore, there is not sense to reforming public education in anyway until parents start taking responsibility for their children's educations, not doing so is yet another symptom of public education as an entitlement. There is no responsibility or accountability on the part of parents, students, teachers or administrators. In every conceivable way public education is a failure both in practice and as a concept.
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