Cross-Examining the Climate Change Scammers
by Kurt SchlichterA trial lawyer reading through the hacked emails from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) will immediately, almost unconsciously, begin generating a list of questions he would love to ask the authors if he were able to face them on the witness stand and under oath. The beauty of the adversarial process is how cross-examination tests and challenges the other side’s position – precisely what the emails indisputably show the CRU and its allies in the climate change scam have gone to shocking lengths to avoid.

There are several lines of examination that come immediately to mind. We can rest assured that it will never happen – as the emails show, the last thing they want to do is be in a position where they have to explain themselves. But certainly asking leading climate change cheerleader Phil Jones about his email describing his use of a “trick” to describe the manipulation of observed temperature data to “hide the decline” in order to achieve the desired result would be amusing:
- So, Dr. Jones, when you used the word “trick,” you really meant that it was not a “trick” at all but a valid, scientifically recognized process of data interpretation?
- Can you identify another instance in your experience where a scientist described his valid, scientifically recognized process of data interpretation with a term commonly used to describe a hoax, scam or fraud?
- And when you wrote the words “hide the decline,” is it now your testimony that when you used the word “hiding,” you were not actually “hiding” anything, and moreover, though you used the word “decline,” there was no “decline” in temperatures to be hidden in the first place?
- So, if I understand your explanation, it is that you commonly use language in your communications which means precisely the opposite of the meaning that you are seeking to communicate?
- And if an email from those who disagree with your findings – who you call “deniers” or “skeptics” – were to be made public that described their use of a “trick” to “hide the increase” in temperatures, would you find this to be of no great import because scientists commonly describe their processes as “tricks” and that their act of “hiding the increase” must be purely benign based on the manner of usage you describe?
- So, is it only proponents of man-made global warming that habitually use words and phrases that mean precisely the opposite of their common usage to describe their work?
But, as delightful as it would be to pick at particular instances of the activists’ admissions of fraud and their lame attempts to explain them away, there’s really one question that needs to be asked. In fact, if Al Gore would ever expose himself to the questions of anyone beyond the most credulous climate change sycophants, someone ought to ask it of him:
Mr. Gore, would you be happy if tomorrow you were to see irrefutable scientific evidence that mankind’s activities are not causing the Earth to warm?
A normal person would answer with a resounding, “Yes!” A normal person would be relieved that not only is our planet safe, but that we need not spend trillions of dollars and forfeit our most basic freedoms in pursuit of remedies for the bugbear of climate change.
But do you think for a second Al Gore would say, “Yes”? Do you think any of the global warming suckers would? Get real.
Understand you would not get an express, “No.” He would probably just deny the validity of the question (“We know climate change is real so that will never happen”). But after 15 years of examining witnesses, I have a rule of thumb. Any answer to a question that is not an unambiguous “Yes” is really a “No.”
And to those invested (ideologically, professionally and financially) in man-made climate change, the answer would be “No.” But contrary evidence would make no difference regardless. Al Gore and his ilk would not be shaken in the least by contrary scientific findings because the climate change scam is not driven by science. It is a campaign driven by the end the believers seek – an agenda of political, economic and social control. The science is simply a convenient means to that end. In fact, climate change belief is the opposite of science. It is a faith, a pagan religion complete with infallible doctrines, ritual sacrifices and even heretics who must be burned at the (so far) figurative stake.
A basic concept in the scientific method is falsifiability, the idea that a scientific hypothesis can be disproven through evidence. If a hypothesis cannot ever be falsified, then to believe it requires an act of faith. Therefore, if the climate change hypothesis is truly based upon science, with the production of satisfactory evidence it could be disproven. And this leads to one final question for the climate change believers:
Mr. Gore, if presented with irrefutable scientific evidence that the man-made climate change hypothesis is incorrect, would you accept it?
Of course, believing that Mr. Gore would answer with an unambiguous “Yes” would itself require an enormous leap of faith.






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There should be a class action suit brought against Gore; he's made many millions from this damned hoax.
In the global claimate change extreists collective minds, the debate is over. The worldwide community would be better off without them and even better off to ignore their hysteria over natural occurring weather patterns. Hasn't weather been here longer than humans? I believe that debate is over.
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A note of consolation to the global warming zealots. There's always scientology.
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You really have to read the code that is included in this 61MB data dump. There you will find unambigious discussion of how they changed the data to match their 'climate model', temp too low? Add a 'fudge factor' to it to make it match the model.
This is called backcasting and one of the major mysteries was how well their models tracked past temperatures but failed completely to predict future temps. Well now we know why. We all seen all those predictions of 'next year will be the hottest ever!' but next year is cold and rainy. That's why their models are worthless, no surprise to most of us.
Look at the harry_read_me.txt file for a taste of this stuff.
You wrote: "In fact, climate change belief is the opposite of science. It is a faith, a pagan religion complete with infallible doctrines, ritual sacrifices and even heretics who must be burned at the (so far) figurative stake."
I add: And a religion with high priests who must be obeyed.
AGW Scientists Can't Predict
Frank J. Tipler: "I am struck by the lack of accomplishments by the leaders of the AGW consensus. In fact, it is the leading opponents of AGW who have genuine scientific achievements in climatology. Reid Bryson was the "father of climatology," a leading AGW skeptic, and had the achievements of a genuine scientist."
"A true scientist demonstrates his knowledge by making predictions which can be confirmed or refuted. What counter-intuitive predictions have the Global Warmers ever made? I invite you to look."
Or how about:
Can you give an example of a scientist in a field other than climate science using the same "trick" (or technique if you would rather use that word) with statistical data?
Can you point us to the place in the published literature where you described the operation of the trick/technique and how it impacted the result?
Wouldn't that be a riot? He would have to actually prove in a court of law that man is destroying the Earth to win. Of course, no liberal court would take up the case but they sure as hell wouldn't dismiss some idiot spilling hot coffee on themselves and blaming it on the establishment that sold it to them.
" In fact, climate change belief is the opposite of science. It is a faith, a pagan religion complete with infallible doctrines, ritual sacrifices and even heretics who must be burned at the (so far) figurative stake."
A pagan religion? Something comparable to Wicca?
These are the selfsame people who disrespect our Christian background, embrace multi-culturalism and probably go to Best Buy to celebrate and shop for Eid al-Adha.
It’s time for lawyers and lawsuits ! Use the lefts own weapons against them…
They have cost economies and businesses billions, maybe trillions. Not to mention brainwashing a whole generation of kids and young adults with a story based on fabricated data and faulty science. This is without a doubt the greatest scientific scandal of the modern era – spinning the natural warming/cooling cycles of the earth into a fairy tale of catastrophe climate alarmism.
Gore and the AGW group did not want a debate. So we will honor that position and at their trials will not allow them to debate their position – period.
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Gore sees his global warming ship sinking. He has gone on to a new cause, "sustainable capitalism"
What a coincidence, 'hacked' emails a week before major climate talks. I suppose the snow is disappearing from Mount Kilimanjaro, beginning only within the last century, (industrial Age) because the Earth is getting colder. Wake up, Big Oil / Big Coal will screw you over 1,000,000x worse than 'ol Al ever could.
It's going to be interesting to see how teachers explain this mess to students- after they've created a generation of young, politically correct, "Save the Earth" zealots.
"What a coincidence, 'hacked' emails a week before major climate talks. I suppose the snow is disappearing from Mount Kilimanjaro, beginning only within the last century, (industrial Age) because the Earth is getting colder. Wake up, Big Oil / Big Coal will screw you over 1,000,000x worse than 'ol Al ever could."
When the Global Warming Cultists can explain why the ice sheet a mile thick that covered the spot where I am sitting now years ago melted away 10,000 years ago despite the absence of capitalism in general and the GOP in particular to blame for that melting, I might actually listen to anything they have to say.
In the meantime, go get fitted for a tinfoil hat. The Global Warming Cultists whose lies were exposed have not even attempted to deny they were cooking the data to support their false religion.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
lol
they will move the goal posts already they are talking about how climate change is bad for our health they will not go don easy. to much money and to many reputations at stake. haven't heard a word on state run media.
Weather channel founder is actually doing this.
Oh alright alright. I don't like trial lawyers, but I guess I could stand behind Mr. Schlichter.
Loved the article.
They won't have to explain it, soon, no one will be able to afford to send their children to school.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw
This is gospel truth………. It's george carlin "save the planet?"
"Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole...
Character counts.
can anyone tell me if there has been any action yet?what course of action has been taken? is it just congressional hearings ? is there a site that can tell me about any legal actions takin? i would really like to keep up on this . has there been anything on the so called mainstream media?
Al Gore absolutely would NOT answer with an unambiguous "yes."
The AGW faith has all the elements of a religion: "[I]nfallible doctrines, ritual sacrifices and even heretics who must be burned at the (so far) figurative stake."
The religionists believe mankind has "fallen from grace," i.e., industrialized the modern world. Mankind is in need of "redemption" or salvation, which could only be achieved by reversing the industrialization.
The Millerites, a religious sect, set a firm date in 1844, for the world to end. They (and a sarcastic Boston newspaper) referred to the failure of the world to end as "The Great Disappointment." How crazy is that? The idiots were saddened that catastrophe had not come to pass.
The Millerites stubbornly claimed that a great event HAD taken place, and that Jesus had come back invisibly. Sort of like the AGW movement today.
AGW won't die a natural death. There are too many ER doctors (media outlets) who will keep it on life support indefinitely. We must stamp out this nonsense, once and for all.
This is much ado about nothing. Please see: http://timesonline.typepad.com/science/2009/11/cl...
"Jones was referring to a practice of discarding (or not relying on) tree ring data as an indication of temperatures from 1961 to the present as it is known that in recent years the data is not a reliable proxy for temperature. There is nothing dodgy about discarding data you know to be flawed."
The thing that drives me crazy about AGW is that the big solution for all you global alarmists is to switch from coal and oil to wind and solar. Fine and dandy – except we cannot possibly produced the amount of electricity we need from wind and solar. It's just not feasible. All the global alarmists refuse to even discuss nuclear. A huge source of electricity that produces NOT one ounce of greenhouse gases. Your arguments are flawed from the beginning if you refuse to acknowledge this. Thus, it is easy to conclude your argument is based on a religious faith, not science.
We should not have any faith in science because it has not helped humankind at all. It is about time science has been exposed as the cult of lies that it is. This just proves that the whole of the scientific world is colluding with Satan.
I remember as a child being terrified that there were too many people and that we were going to run out of meat. I have no idea why I was so concerned about "meat" but I was afraid that we were going to starve because of too many people.
Global warming has NO place in elementary schools. It is cruel, besides being false IMO.
So, your point is…? You've apparently "identified" Big Oil / Big Coal as the hackers (do they have Big Oil / Big Coal corporate tycoons in Russia?) who exposed the underhanded tactics used by the global warming nazis to stifle debate, destroy the professional reputations of those with opposing views (or who merely ask for substantiating evidence), and to cause financial ruin to publishers of scientific journals who step out of the head-nodders' line and publish opposing viewpoints. OK, give those Big Oil / Big Coal geeks a medal for performing a public service.
Meanwhile, if you DO have non-speculative evidence that Big Oil / Big Coal is preparing to "screw (us) over" worse than Gore and his henchmen, why not just post that?
Soyt'nly. Just go to http://wattsupwiththat.com for a full explanation of this very point.
Anyone else notice the lack of pious "global warming" zealots on the net today?
It is apalling to see how little people responding to this article know about how modeling works. This goes for computer modeling, networking modeling and business modeling as well as climate modeling. Models are built. They are then run and tested against actual data. The models are then modified using what we often call "fudge factors" so that they mirror the real world data. That is how accurate models are built!
The good people at http://wattsupwiththat.com would beg to disagree.
The info is out there. Ignore it if you choose.
Brilliant!
The best site for general info is http://wattsupwiththat.com.
The site has a great history behind it. I have lots of confidence in it.
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I'd be happy to see "irrefutable" evidence of anything!
That was amazing. Those who resigned are part of the Liberal Party, too. Yet, they refused to go along with THEIR OWN PARTY in passing a Cap and Trade scheme. I am proud of those five principled individuals. I don't think there are any five who would do the same in the U.S. Senate.
You paint the issue as either/or. It isn't.
It's very probable that any warming that has actually occurred has nothing to do with human activity.
It is very comparable to Wicca.
Thanks again for the great comment (as usual). I hope your Thanksgiving was a good one.
How about a total-lack-of-class action lawsuit for the ol' boy?
(Messin' witcha.)
I am not a global warming believer or denier, in fact I consider myself quite neutral on the topic, and see that both sides have some merit. Your post did strike me as somewhat antagonizing though, so I will play the devil's advocate.
Correct me if I'm reading you wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that if global warming is proven inaccurate, we can go back to burning all the fossil fuels we want, and living "freely." I ask you then, why do we deserve this right to do whatever we want to our planet, if just one of the many reasons for developing new, cleaner technology is not accurate? Many of the investments being made in the effort to reduce global warming have bigger implications like cleaner air, more sustainable long term infrastructure, eventual greatly reduced costs, and improved the lives for the current and future generations. Climate change, then, is simply a banner to get behind, because people need a goal to advance our civilization. Of course, this means that everyone must pay for the progress.
So, in my view, if you were to go up to Al Gore, and ask him your question, he would probably say yes. Of course, he would then find a new cause to champion in the name of progress, but that's simple politics.
I wonder how many people here supposedly spitting out "facts", no nothing at all
. I love reading these Comments.
"We should not have any faith in science because it has not helped humankind at all. It is about time science has been exposed as the cult of lies that it is. This just proves that the whole of the scientific world is colluding with Satan."
Someone who says that for example, needs help, and a lot of it quick. Btw, you're using a scientific instrument to write that paragraph right now… better destroy it quick, it's evil, remember?
The crime here is simple greed!And the tool needed for megalomaniac eletist,AHOLEGORE,Obama and the cat bird(SOROS)?Simple scientist looking for grants!!You feed them they obey!And if there are any problems?Well you have the leftist media to clear the way! Yes these are the Bastards that want to control you! Someone please find away to WAKE UP the sheepole!!
Algore and these suckers ought do some prison time for this. Because of the millions, billions they've swindled.
World leaders are for climate change because there's money and control in it for them. Throw the prez in too for good measure.
Assuming the tree ring data from 1961 to the present is known to be an unreliable proxy for temperature, why should anyone assume that the same data from before 1961 is any more reliable as a proxy for temperature?
"We should not have any faith in science because it has not helped humankind at all. It is about time science has been exposed as the cult of lies that it is. This just proves that the whole of the scientific world is colluding with Satan. "
Epic sarcasm FAIL.
It is the Global Warming Cultists, not skeptics, who refuse to accept scientific data that contradicts their religion.
My point is, it's in their best interest, and to dismiss Big Energy as a major player behind the anti-climate change debate is absurd. It's like watching Glenn Beck for 'facts.'
Ah yes, "the scientists are evil and wrong… the zealots are right because they go off of their emotions and not facts"… does that make sense really? Of course not, but then gain, these "global warming theorists" are crazy and don't care about facts or progress, but just about getting money… ok, sure.
Stand up for yourself, and think for yourself, for a change, instead of spitting out emotional comments that have no facts to back them up, and seem to not really say anything at all other than blind hate. I'm not sure how anyone can respond to such nonsense really.
Slow down and think instead of watching something somewhere and getting all excited about suddenly going against it, especially when it's a good cause. Your comments make no sense.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with unarmed people.
It's fairly amazing to me how, after a solid century of chucking carbon into the atmosphere in a manner never before executed in history, that people are so certain it is a plot by Al Gore, and not Big Industry/ Big Energy. The just released Copenhagen Diagnosis report (26 authors, 8 countries) found the sea level is rising at unexpected rates. The cost to coastal cities alone will be staggering if nothing is done. But hey, just blame Al Gore and sleep tight knowing it can all be explained away by hacked emails, right? Whatever you say.
LMAO! Can we substitute a scientist for a lawyer's job? Well, it's just as absurd to have a trial lawyer interpreting incomplete data sets! Do not attempt to understand rates of change without at least a vague notion of the concepts of Statistics and Calculus. Just being in the latter half of first year college calculus, I clearly see there is nothing diabolical going on here. Often in my own work I introduce a true and false set of data, to isolate a variable for analysis, or troubleshooting. Another 'trick' is taking two different looking solutions multiplying one by -1 and adding the two solutions. A graph of this will show a horizontal line if the answers agree, the amount of displacement show how off the solutions are. The initial email demonstrates excellent methodology. Perhaps, we should let the experts do what they are good at, the article's author included!
We should petition ICE, get them permanent residency and allow them to run for Congress. These guys need to hit the talk and morning show circuits.
Kilimanjaro has ceased being of use for you warmers, read up on the real science. Land use is the issue. It was formerly surrounded by forest, and trees yield humidity by their water use. The area around the mountain got converted to farm use, yielding drier air blowing over the ice which causes sublimation. It is shrinking because the air is drier, not because of warming.
Is that simple enough to understand? I ask because you seem to have trouble understanding the content of the "hacked emails" therefore…
The Industrial Revolution really got going in the mid 1800s. By the 1970s, scientists were sounding the alarm about catastrophic global COOLING. Are you saying that in a little under 40 years, humans have so impacted the environment as to not only prevent that dreaded global cooling, but to go overboard and tip the scales to global warming? Amazing.
That was one of the crappiest pieces of rhetoric I've ever read. You speculate on what might occur if certain people were asked a question, and base your answers on your bias.
You question the science behind AGW, but don't provide any evidence to the contrary. Day by day temperatures and weather will fluctuate around the same values whether AGW is real or not. It's merely noise in the data. The only irrefutable evidence will be measurements in 20 or more years – when there is enough data to overcome the noise.
Making up evidence to support a personal agenda is abhorrent.
It also doesn't provide contrary evidence – it must simply be ignored.
On the other hand, we do have good evidence on the vast amounts of pollutants we have poured into the atmosphere and into the water system. And each day we learn of the damage that occurs from it.
We also have very good evidence that the ice caps a are getting smaller year by year. Given that it took 10s of thousands of years to build up that ice, should we simply turn a blind eye to it's disappearance?
In a hundred thousand years we could be in an ice age. Is that evidence that we should ignore a possible 25 year increase in global temperatures of 5 degrees? The problem is that the ignoring such a possibility could threaten the future of billions of human lives.
The fact that those with an agenda on both sides can't get together and gather evidence and agree on the possible outcomes and respond, either way, is troubling to say the least, and reflects badly on everyone.
http://courses.phas.ucalgary.ca/~annlisen/gwposter.html
Some more science. This is a good overview.
It really is a question of measurements before the industry rev and after.
And we should all fear a casual internal email getting out. But facts still remain.
We should all research the studies. Its not rocket science, just science.
so, if the model is created as you state, then future ( ie current ) predictions that don't fit show that the model is erroneous? Please explain your position
An alternative hypothesis for the loss of snows from Mt. K.: deforestration at its base: no retention of run-off water and the tree's expiration. There is more than one explaination of an event, particularly when making associations. Causation is very hard to prove, that is why the hypothesis AGW has led to decrease snow on Mt. K remains conjecture, hysterically presented, but none the less, conjecture; and should be viewed by others as such.
I remember a number of years ago when we folks in the State of Maine were told that we needed to have MBTE added to our gasoline because it was the 'environmentally correct' thing to do… Based on 'good' science they told us but…
What happened was our ground water quickly was becoming poluted by MBTE…
So where does that leave this so called 'good science'?
I hope this makes a point to you all… this climate thing as stated by the CRU and the UN is based on faulty data, data sets and lousy programming… Have you ever known a 'weatherman' to be correct in their predictions????
If anyone wants the truth, watch a video called the The Great Global warming swindle, There people will see the truth of global warming, OPPS! I meant climate change (I have to watch that as I wont be politically correct)! It is a great documentary, and all the facts stated can be verified. I was one of the GW zombies until I saw that video. and that was 4 days ago! Originally I thought it was just big corporate propaganda, but I do like to view both sides of a story.
Sorry to break it to you, KADAKA, but the concensus on Kilimanjaro’s snow disappearance is not unanimous, despite the explanation you would like to present. But, of course, that is to be expected from the dimwitted ‘blame Al Gore’ crew who, ironically, will use climatology reports when it fits the anti- climate change agenda. You make me laugh.
Oh you poor old misinformed fool. The tree ring data used for their hockey stick graphs was discredited months ago as cherry-picked into meaninglessness. Rush Limbaugh recently linked to this very article, and was surprised to discover THREE trees were used. Read the article, there was a lot of "flawed" data discarded, until they got the result they had wanted.
Which BTW is not how science works.
Sorry to break it to you, KADAKA, but the concensus on Kilimanjaro's snow disappearance is not unanimous, despite the explanation you would like to present. But, of course, that is to be expected from the dimwitted 'blame Al Gore' crew who, ironically, will use climatology reports when it fits the anti- climate change agenda. You make me laugh.
Why were the tree ring proxies a reliable indicator of temperatures before 1961, but not after? What changed that year? Was it because “My Fair Lady” premiered on Broadway? That would make as much sense as what we’ve been told.
The tree ring proxies “match” (whatever that means) the observed temperature measurements before 1960, but not after–this is the already-known “divergence problem.” But there’s no explanation of why the two diverge in 1960; hence the need to “hide the decline” in tree-ring proxy temperatures after 1960.
Whatever these guys at the CRU were doing, it wasn’t science, as Al Gore and his Myrmidons have been lecturing us. No one can read these emails, and the programmer’s notes, and call what they were doing scientific.
It's called peer review. Scientists don't have to argue why the facts, found through scientific examination, trump the "beliefs" of anyone libertarian, religious fanatic, or tree hugger for that matter. What they have to do is observe, hypothesize, test, theorize and validate if the results are in line with the hypothesis then it will be retested, others will hypothesize as to the meaning of the results, new hypothesis and tests are constructed, belief has nothing to do with it. Have you never attended a university level mathematics or science class? "Trick" is a common verb used to mean solution. But I'm sure you aren't writing here because you wish to be schooled. I believe that anyone is right to ask why certain things are said, or why scientists theorize the way that they do. If you want to find out why they theorize as they do, read their peer reviewed papers. They are easy to find. If you want to find out why they said what they said in private e-mails, you will have to get it straight from the horses mouth. Private e-mails, however, can shed little light on the durability of scientific theory. A scientist can be a complete D-bag in his personal life, but that does in no way effect the reliability of peer reviewed articles that are reviewed by scientists of all persuasions.
Well, i should expect this much from a blog. Your analysis is leading and very one sided. One should really ask the climatologists to define the questionable methods that they used, not whether they were committing fraud. Additionally, it appears rather unhinged to accuse all environmentalist of not wanting global warming to not exist. I think many environmentalists would answer your first italicized question about being happy with a “YES”, just not the ones with millions of dollars to make off the hysteria.
Sure, I accept the fact that we can change the climate with our emissions but I currently don’t know HOW MUCH power we actually have over the environment. Maybe we will never know, or maybe man-made global warming is not as strong as natural phenomenon, but this does not change the fact that we will eventually see peak oil and should prepare for the rapid price increases to follow.
Perhaps the better conspiracy theory would be that an international body is overblowing global warming to prepare for a disruptions in the fossil fuel markets?
It would take much more than the recent hacking to derail the AGW dupes. The program advances like a German tank. There seems no other option then to relinquish your rights and jump on board. It’s a once in your life win-win proposition, except I can't figure out if I will be in the circles of winners.
I am furious I missed out on that AGW bonanza believing nobody would be that stupid and fall for the hoax.
I know facts aren't important to this crew, but only 10% of scientific papers predicted cooling. Get your facts straight before you use them to make a fool of yourself.
Global Warming and Profound Climate Change is Happening. And, is happening on every planet in our solar system right now. As in Apocalypse Now. The Sun is Bigger. The Solar System is Smaller. And, we are about to roast alive like little twinkles in a bonfire called Hell.
And, never mind your Jesus. He done already save us once. Let's talk Noah. Nobody build an Ark but Noah. Jesus didn't build Noah no Ark. God didn't build Noah no Ark. Nobody built an Ark for Noah except Noah!
And, I don't care what kind of schizophrenic freak Noah was. At least he saved his damn self and the rest of it. (And, God bless his little heart and soul for it.)
So, what we have here is a failure to communicate. Damn the environment to Hell.
We need a Solar System Wide Solution to our current Solar System Wide Problem.
Call it living under the ocean or back in the caves or galactic spacecraft to fly off this burning ball of hell, all I know is it is gonna cost a bloody fortune to build it and it's gonna take the exploitation of almost every reserve we have; pumping and churning out the big bad plumes of acrid acid smoke; and eating every tree we got; and mining every nugget of dirt we need to pump out ever last bleeding drop of oil we have just to lube this machine; or else there won't be any people here anymore to care for this environment at all.
So, get out of my way daydreamer. Cuz one way or another we are gonna build the road back outta hell with or without you.
Sincerely yours
Norman Christian Hoffmann
Tree ring data is also not a reliable proxy for pre-industrial temperatures. Therefore, models that used such data are flawed and can not be used to predict any future temperatures. This fault is currently evident as there has been a pause in rising global temperatures inspite of continued rise in atmopsheric CO2. The knock on Jones is the seletive use of flawed temperature data or flawed proxies for temperature and blending them into a "hockey stick" graph promoted in various venues as a call to action. The only action now is starting all over again from scratch and trying to reconstuct original source data including that that has been deleted from IPCC model authors' computers. We all should be skeptics now.
As a Scientist, I say: This hoax must be investigated!
'Nature' (the Journal), through its Editorial Board must explain itself!
Because -with minimal exceptions- it has been embraced and sponsored by the Democratic Party, we must have an Independent Counsel and FULL OPEN hearings: What did they know? Who knew it? When did they first know about it? Why are they sponsoring legislation based on 'tricks'? Who is getting paid?
Al Gore must return the Nobel Peace Prize.
Excellent points, I can hardly wait. I have know all the way these were scammers. So you remember when Bill Gates was confronted with e-mails, he said: the computer wrote them. This climate case should used to blow open the entire racket of "scientific" crooks, who have for decades used the name of science to conduct politics. Unless you can live up to tests conducted by yours peers you can not even call yourself a scientist. To become a scientist your d work should be available on internet for anyone to check your credentials. Now the whole field is run by outright scammers, when it comes to the "social sciences." Let the climate be a test case.
Dude cut back on the caffine…
This proposed line of questioning is a bit silly, and the author exposes his lack of experience in science and mathematics. As a mathematician and physicist, I can attest that we often use the word "trick" to describe mathematical techniques — "trick" as refering to a surprising or clever skill or technique. It has nothing to do with deception. As to the phrase "hiding the decline", I can certainly understand why, out of context, that might sound like someone who intends to "fudge the numbers" in some way. However, it could just as easily be refering to suppressing some known and well-understood flaw in the data, perhaps due to some systematic error in the measurements, thereby making the results more accurate.
If this is the most damning "evidence" that can be found in those hacked emails, you have found absolutely nothing.
Also suggesting that global warming proponents would not be delighted to have irrefutable proof that mankind is not causing global warming is just plain silly. Of course there are a few environmentalist zealots who would be unhappy to lose that leverage against the use of fossil fuels in general.
I am hardly a global warming proponent myself, but I cannot ignore the weight of scientific consensus, which is the result of hundreds if not thousands of scientists around the world — many of whom were initially skeptics. One out-of-context email that sounds like *maybe* it refers to number fudging does not stand against the weight fo that consensus. Scientists love to prove each other wrong, including climate scientists, and you can bet if that email refers to any published result of any importance, that many other highly intelligent eyes have read the paper and looked for any weakness they could find in methods used to produce those results.
In truth the ascension of Obozo is a good thing. All of the leftist lunacy is fully exposed. No more hiding behind moderate, when the purges begin in 2010, all of this leftist hooey will be vanquished once and for all.
You're ignoring some inconvenient truths here, Steve.
The peer-reviewed papers were derived from raw data, which they won't share with anyone.
Therefore, no one can evaluate their conclusions.
This article was written with a bit of humor and peppered with jabs at the religious like ideology that politics has polluted the science with. I don't think it was intended to be a serious analysis piece. Lighten up. The author is a former stand-up comedian.
You seemed more coherent when you were still taking the meds.
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Ummm, perhaps you should look a bit further. There wasn't "one out-of-context" email that caused this reaction. There were many emails which tended to show many different aspects of the scientists' determination that no one, and I mean no one, was going to look at the raw data, except those whose opinions were already known.
Jim– ALL the data from ALL the studies and ALL the reports are suddenly and very positively suspect as to how accurate they are. These emails and, more important the computer codes, used to extrapolate ALL the climate data in the last twenty years or so is corrupt, incomplete, altered, fudged, manipulated and changed to fit what the 'scientist' *wanted to see*. THAT IS A FACT. They admit it!
Follow the money, not carbon. That's just fertilizer.
The author didn't use the word "conspiracy."
But, since you used it, I agree. The whole AGW movement is shot through with conspiracies and fraud.
You got me there — I hate facts. But isn't it amazing that a wide swath of influential scientists could be so certain of global cooling based only "10% of scientific papers"? Or maybe you were being devious and meant "10% of (ALL) scientific papers", not just scientific papers which dealt with the climate. I mean, there are scientific papers on moths, on plate tectonics, on cosmology, and so on. Very clever, you little alarmist, you.
So, if the consensus on something is not "unanimous", then it isn't true? Glory be, you've just admitted that global warming is hooey, then.
"…should ignore a possible 25 year increase in global temperatures of 5 degrees?"
If we find the thermometers were mis-read, on purpose, to alter our lifestyle, comfort, income and tax level….damn right we should not ignore it, but we should prosecute it.
The corruption of the peer review process is one of the major parts of the scandal.
Just as Al Gore and the other global warming ( I refuse to go along with their name change to "climate change") believers would not be happy to see their views disproven, others are in the same boat.
Do you suppose our congress would be happy with a realization at some point that everything is just fine and no new bills need to be passed? Or environmentalists happy to find out that no species on earth are any longer threatened ?
I confess however I feel conflicted with answering whether I want Obama to suceed. How do you reconcile wishing for failure of a president with what is best for our country?
The emails are only explanations for what the computer codes reveal as very unscientific data sets. The entire 'science' of AGW has been thrown into doubt and all the studies and reports based on that basic model is invalid as a result. The 'consensus' is from 'scientist' that aren't acting like it.
So now you're saying AGW exists and is a plot by Big Industry / Big Energy?
It's not that they just did what they did, and AGW resulted? It's that they set out from the beginning to cause AGW?
Hmmmm… That sounds right.
That was so cool.
See, I figured it out, see, ok? Ok? I figured it out. HEE HEE HEE, I got it, I know what you did. See, you, like, you, umm, said we shouldn't have faith in science and science is a cult of lies. And then you said the scientific world is colluding with Satan. HEE HEE HEE
OK, I figured it out. You didn't really mean that. HA HA, this is a good one. Oh, man, it's good. You really meant the OPPOSITE. OMG OMG, you said the opposite of your actual thoughts, to make a point that the readers at this site are ignorant and would probably think Satan and science go together.
I figured it out. That was way cool. Oh, how I wish I could think of cool stuff.
Just kidding. You're a phuhcking idiot.
"The science is settled" Pres. Obama's science czar.
These people aren't going to let a couple of pesky hacked emails derail their multi trillion dollar train. The message (here in the US) needs to be loud and clear, whoever votes for Cap and Trade is out of a job.
It would be great if the article was satirical. Unfortunately, in the context of the rest of the site, it becomes clear that it's no joke!
Their religion is dead.
Long live their new religion!
THIS IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN GODS DIE
http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/this-...
This is quite possibly the biggest news story today, and none of the state-run media have given more than a few seconds, if that, to it. They are destroying their own credibility.
They can be realisticaly described now as Global Squirmers!
"The just released Copenhagen Diagnosis report (26 authors, 8 countries) found the sea level is rising at unexpected rates."
Too funny!
The hacked emails right before the Copenhagen meetings is a red flag to you. But, the release of the COPENHAGEN DIAGNOSIS right before the meetings doesn't smell of an attempt to scare folks?
LOL.
People, this is yet another clear and present example of the hollow hypocrisy that is at the heart of the Warmist conspiracy.
Frankly, even if carbon is causing global heating; I'd rather see the world blow up than be forced to be subjected to the illogical, self serving, irrational plans these cowards who will not even so much as debate the issue have for us.
BURN EARTH BURN!
Yeah I know but the "intellectual" snobs are acting like the guy is claiming to be the absolute authority on the subject.
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