Cross-Examining the Climate Change Scammers
by Kurt SchlichterA trial lawyer reading through the hacked emails from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) will immediately, almost unconsciously, begin generating a list of questions he would love to ask the authors if he were able to face them on the witness stand and under oath. The beauty of the adversarial process is how cross-examination tests and challenges the other side’s position – precisely what the emails indisputably show the CRU and its allies in the climate change scam have gone to shocking lengths to avoid.

There are several lines of examination that come immediately to mind. We can rest assured that it will never happen – as the emails show, the last thing they want to do is be in a position where they have to explain themselves. But certainly asking leading climate change cheerleader Phil Jones about his email describing his use of a “trick” to describe the manipulation of observed temperature data to “hide the decline” in order to achieve the desired result would be amusing:
- So, Dr. Jones, when you used the word “trick,” you really meant that it was not a “trick” at all but a valid, scientifically recognized process of data interpretation?
- Can you identify another instance in your experience where a scientist described his valid, scientifically recognized process of data interpretation with a term commonly used to describe a hoax, scam or fraud?
- And when you wrote the words “hide the decline,” is it now your testimony that when you used the word “hiding,” you were not actually “hiding” anything, and moreover, though you used the word “decline,” there was no “decline” in temperatures to be hidden in the first place?
- So, if I understand your explanation, it is that you commonly use language in your communications which means precisely the opposite of the meaning that you are seeking to communicate?
- And if an email from those who disagree with your findings – who you call “deniers” or “skeptics” – were to be made public that described their use of a “trick” to “hide the increase” in temperatures, would you find this to be of no great import because scientists commonly describe their processes as “tricks” and that their act of “hiding the increase” must be purely benign based on the manner of usage you describe?
- So, is it only proponents of man-made global warming that habitually use words and phrases that mean precisely the opposite of their common usage to describe their work?
But, as delightful as it would be to pick at particular instances of the activists’ admissions of fraud and their lame attempts to explain them away, there’s really one question that needs to be asked. In fact, if Al Gore would ever expose himself to the questions of anyone beyond the most credulous climate change sycophants, someone ought to ask it of him:
Mr. Gore, would you be happy if tomorrow you were to see irrefutable scientific evidence that mankind’s activities are not causing the Earth to warm?
A normal person would answer with a resounding, “Yes!” A normal person would be relieved that not only is our planet safe, but that we need not spend trillions of dollars and forfeit our most basic freedoms in pursuit of remedies for the bugbear of climate change.
But do you think for a second Al Gore would say, “Yes”? Do you think any of the global warming suckers would? Get real.
Understand you would not get an express, “No.” He would probably just deny the validity of the question (“We know climate change is real so that will never happen”). But after 15 years of examining witnesses, I have a rule of thumb. Any answer to a question that is not an unambiguous “Yes” is really a “No.”
And to those invested (ideologically, professionally and financially) in man-made climate change, the answer would be “No.” But contrary evidence would make no difference regardless. Al Gore and his ilk would not be shaken in the least by contrary scientific findings because the climate change scam is not driven by science. It is a campaign driven by the end the believers seek – an agenda of political, economic and social control. The science is simply a convenient means to that end. In fact, climate change belief is the opposite of science. It is a faith, a pagan religion complete with infallible doctrines, ritual sacrifices and even heretics who must be burned at the (so far) figurative stake.
A basic concept in the scientific method is falsifiability, the idea that a scientific hypothesis can be disproven through evidence. If a hypothesis cannot ever be falsified, then to believe it requires an act of faith. Therefore, if the climate change hypothesis is truly based upon science, with the production of satisfactory evidence it could be disproven. And this leads to one final question for the climate change believers:
Mr. Gore, if presented with irrefutable scientific evidence that the man-made climate change hypothesis is incorrect, would you accept it?
Of course, believing that Mr. Gore would answer with an unambiguous “Yes” would itself require an enormous leap of faith.





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There should be a class action suit brought against Gore; he's made many millions from this damned hoax.
In the global claimate change extreists collective minds, the debate is over. The worldwide community would be better off without them and even better off to ignore their hysteria over natural occurring weather patterns. Hasn't weather been here longer than humans? I believe that debate is over.
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A note of consolation to the global warming zealots. There's always scientology.
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You really have to read the code that is included in this 61MB data dump. There you will find unambigious discussion of how they changed the data to match their 'climate model', temp too low? Add a 'fudge factor' to it to make it match the model.
This is called backcasting and one of the major mysteries was how well their models tracked past temperatures but failed completely to predict future temps. Well now we know why. We all seen all those predictions of 'next year will be the hottest ever!' but next year is cold and rainy. That's why their models are worthless, no surprise to most of us.
Look at the harry_read_me.txt file for a taste of this stuff.
You wrote: "In fact, climate change belief is the opposite of science. It is a faith, a pagan religion complete with infallible doctrines, ritual sacrifices and even heretics who must be burned at the (so far) figurative stake."
I add: And a religion with high priests who must be obeyed.
AGW Scientists Can't Predict
Frank J. Tipler: "I am struck by the lack of accomplishments by the leaders of the AGW consensus. In fact, it is the leading opponents of AGW who have genuine scientific achievements in climatology. Reid Bryson was the "father of climatology," a leading AGW skeptic, and had the achievements of a genuine scientist."
"A true scientist demonstrates his knowledge by making predictions which can be confirmed or refuted. What counter-intuitive predictions have the Global Warmers ever made? I invite you to look."
Or how about:
Can you give an example of a scientist in a field other than climate science using the same "trick" (or technique if you would rather use that word) with statistical data?
Can you point us to the place in the published literature where you described the operation of the trick/technique and how it impacted the result?
Wouldn't that be a riot? He would have to actually prove in a court of law that man is destroying the Earth to win. Of course, no liberal court would take up the case but they sure as hell wouldn't dismiss some idiot spilling hot coffee on themselves and blaming it on the establishment that sold it to them.
" In fact, climate change belief is the opposite of science. It is a faith, a pagan religion complete with infallible doctrines, ritual sacrifices and even heretics who must be burned at the (so far) figurative stake."
A pagan religion? Something comparable to Wicca?
These are the selfsame people who disrespect our Christian background, embrace multi-culturalism and probably go to Best Buy to celebrate and shop for Eid al-Adha.
It’s time for lawyers and lawsuits ! Use the lefts own weapons against them…
They have cost economies and businesses billions, maybe trillions. Not to mention brainwashing a whole generation of kids and young adults with a story based on fabricated data and faulty science. This is without a doubt the greatest scientific scandal of the modern era – spinning the natural warming/cooling cycles of the earth into a fairy tale of catastrophe climate alarmism.
Gore and the AGW group did not want a debate. So we will honor that position and at their trials will not allow them to debate their position – period.
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Gore sees his global warming ship sinking. He has gone on to a new cause, "sustainable capitalism"
What a coincidence, 'hacked' emails a week before major climate talks. I suppose the snow is disappearing from Mount Kilimanjaro, beginning only within the last century, (industrial Age) because the Earth is getting colder. Wake up, Big Oil / Big Coal will screw you over 1,000,000x worse than 'ol Al ever could.
It's going to be interesting to see how teachers explain this mess to students- after they've created a generation of young, politically correct, "Save the Earth" zealots.
"What a coincidence, 'hacked' emails a week before major climate talks. I suppose the snow is disappearing from Mount Kilimanjaro, beginning only within the last century, (industrial Age) because the Earth is getting colder. Wake up, Big Oil / Big Coal will screw you over 1,000,000x worse than 'ol Al ever could."
When the Global Warming Cultists can explain why the ice sheet a mile thick that covered the spot where I am sitting now years ago melted away 10,000 years ago despite the absence of capitalism in general and the GOP in particular to blame for that melting, I might actually listen to anything they have to say.
In the meantime, go get fitted for a tinfoil hat. The Global Warming Cultists whose lies were exposed have not even attempted to deny they were cooking the data to support their false religion.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
lol
they will move the goal posts already they are talking about how climate change is bad for our health they will not go don easy. to much money and to many reputations at stake. haven't heard a word on state run media.
Weather channel founder is actually doing this.
Oh alright alright. I don't like trial lawyers, but I guess I could stand behind Mr. Schlichter.
Loved the article.
They won't have to explain it, soon, no one will be able to afford to send their children to school.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw
This is gospel truth………. It's george carlin "save the planet?"
"Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole...
Character counts.
can anyone tell me if there has been any action yet?what course of action has been taken? is it just congressional hearings ? is there a site that can tell me about any legal actions takin? i would really like to keep up on this . has there been anything on the so called mainstream media?
Al Gore absolutely would NOT answer with an unambiguous "yes."
The AGW faith has all the elements of a religion: "[I]nfallible doctrines, ritual sacrifices and even heretics who must be burned at the (so far) figurative stake."
The religionists believe mankind has "fallen from grace," i.e., industrialized the modern world. Mankind is in need of "redemption" or salvation, which could only be achieved by reversing the industrialization.
The Millerites, a religious sect, set a firm date in 1844, for the world to end. They (and a sarcastic Boston newspaper) referred to the failure of the world to end as "The Great Disappointment." How crazy is that? The idiots were saddened that catastrophe had not come to pass.
The Millerites stubbornly claimed that a great event HAD taken place, and that Jesus had come back invisibly. Sort of like the AGW movement today.
AGW won't die a natural death. There are too many ER doctors (media outlets) who will keep it on life support indefinitely. We must stamp out this nonsense, once and for all.
This is much ado about nothing. Please see: http://timesonline.typepad.com/science/2009/11/cl...
"Jones was referring to a practice of discarding (or not relying on) tree ring data as an indication of temperatures from 1961 to the present as it is known that in recent years the data is not a reliable proxy for temperature. There is nothing dodgy about discarding data you know to be flawed."
The thing that drives me crazy about AGW is that the big solution for all you global alarmists is to switch from coal and oil to wind and solar. Fine and dandy – except we cannot possibly produced the amount of electricity we need from wind and solar. It's just not feasible. All the global alarmists refuse to even discuss nuclear. A huge source of electricity that produces NOT one ounce of greenhouse gases. Your arguments are flawed from the beginning if you refuse to acknowledge this. Thus, it is easy to conclude your argument is based on a religious faith, not science.
We should not have any faith in science because it has not helped humankind at all. It is about time science has been exposed as the cult of lies that it is. This just proves that the whole of the scientific world is colluding with Satan.
I remember as a child being terrified that there were too many people and that we were going to run out of meat. I have no idea why I was so concerned about "meat" but I was afraid that we were going to starve because of too many people.
Global warming has NO place in elementary schools. It is cruel, besides being false IMO.
So, your point is…? You've apparently "identified" Big Oil / Big Coal as the hackers (do they have Big Oil / Big Coal corporate tycoons in Russia?) who exposed the underhanded tactics used by the global warming nazis to stifle debate, destroy the professional reputations of those with opposing views (or who merely ask for substantiating evidence), and to cause financial ruin to publishers of scientific journals who step out of the head-nodders' line and publish opposing viewpoints. OK, give those Big Oil / Big Coal geeks a medal for performing a public service.
Meanwhile, if you DO have non-speculative evidence that Big Oil / Big Coal is preparing to "screw (us) over" worse than Gore and his henchmen, why not just post that?
Soyt'nly. Just go to http://wattsupwiththat.com for a full explanation of this very point.
Anyone else notice the lack of pious "global warming" zealots on the net today?
It is apalling to see how little people responding to this article know about how modeling works. This goes for computer modeling, networking modeling and business modeling as well as climate modeling. Models are built. They are then run and tested against actual data. The models are then modified using what we often call "fudge factors" so that they mirror the real world data. That is how accurate models are built!
The good people at http://wattsupwiththat.com would beg to disagree.
The info is out there. Ignore it if you choose.
Brilliant!
The best site for general info is http://wattsupwiththat.com.
The site has a great history behind it. I have lots of confidence in it.
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I'd be happy to see "irrefutable" evidence of anything!
That was amazing. Those who resigned are part of the Liberal Party, too. Yet, they refused to go along with THEIR OWN PARTY in passing a Cap and Trade scheme. I am proud of those five principled individuals. I don't think there are any five who would do the same in the U.S. Senate.
You paint the issue as either/or. It isn't.
It's very probable that any warming that has actually occurred has nothing to do with human activity.
It is very comparable to Wicca.
Thanks again for the great comment (as usual). I hope your Thanksgiving was a good one.
How about a total-lack-of-class action lawsuit for the ol' boy?
(Messin' witcha.)
I am not a global warming believer or denier, in fact I consider myself quite neutral on the topic, and see that both sides have some merit. Your post did strike me as somewhat antagonizing though, so I will play the devil's advocate.
Correct me if I'm reading you wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that if global warming is proven inaccurate, we can go back to burning all the fossil fuels we want, and living "freely." I ask you then, why do we deserve this right to do whatever we want to our planet, if just one of the many reasons for developing new, cleaner technology is not accurate? Many of the investments being made in the effort to reduce global warming have bigger implications like cleaner air, more sustainable long term infrastructure, eventual greatly reduced costs, and improved the lives for the current and future generations. Climate change, then, is simply a banner to get behind, because people need a goal to advance our civilization. Of course, this means that everyone must pay for the progress.
So, in my view, if you were to go up to Al Gore, and ask him your question, he would probably say yes. Of course, he would then find a new cause to champion in the name of progress, but that's simple politics.
I wonder how many people here supposedly spitting out "facts", no nothing at all
. I love reading these Comments.
"We should not have any faith in science because it has not helped humankind at all. It is about time science has been exposed as the cult of lies that it is. This just proves that the whole of the scientific world is colluding with Satan."
Someone who says that for example, needs help, and a lot of it quick. Btw, you're using a scientific instrument to write that paragraph right now… better destroy it quick, it's evil, remember?
The crime here is simple greed!And the tool needed for megalomaniac eletist,AHOLEGORE,Obama and the cat bird(SOROS)?Simple scientist looking for grants!!You feed them they obey!And if there are any problems?Well you have the leftist media to clear the way! Yes these are the Bastards that want to control you! Someone please find away to WAKE UP the sheepole!!
Algore and these suckers ought do some prison time for this. Because of the millions, billions they've swindled.
World leaders are for climate change because there's money and control in it for them. Throw the prez in too for good measure.
Assuming the tree ring data from 1961 to the present is known to be an unreliable proxy for temperature, why should anyone assume that the same data from before 1961 is any more reliable as a proxy for temperature?
"We should not have any faith in science because it has not helped humankind at all. It is about time science has been exposed as the cult of lies that it is. This just proves that the whole of the scientific world is colluding with Satan. "
Epic sarcasm FAIL.
It is the Global Warming Cultists, not skeptics, who refuse to accept scientific data that contradicts their religion.
My point is, it's in their best interest, and to dismiss Big Energy as a major player behind the anti-climate change debate is absurd. It's like watching Glenn Beck for 'facts.'
Ah yes, "the scientists are evil and wrong… the zealots are right because they go off of their emotions and not facts"… does that make sense really? Of course not, but then gain, these "global warming theorists" are crazy and don't care about facts or progress, but just about getting money… ok, sure.
Stand up for yourself, and think for yourself, for a change, instead of spitting out emotional comments that have no facts to back them up, and seem to not really say anything at all other than blind hate. I'm not sure how anyone can respond to such nonsense really.
Slow down and think instead of watching something somewhere and getting all excited about suddenly going against it, especially when it's a good cause. Your comments make no sense.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with unarmed people.
It's fairly amazing to me how, after a solid century of chucking carbon into the atmosphere in a manner never before executed in history, that people are so certain it is a plot by Al Gore, and not Big Industry/ Big Energy. The just released Copenhagen Diagnosis report (26 authors, 8 countries) found the sea level is rising at unexpected rates. The cost to coastal cities alone will be staggering if nothing is done. But hey, just blame Al Gore and sleep tight knowing it can all be explained away by hacked emails, right? Whatever you say.
LMAO! Can we substitute a scientist for a lawyer's job? Well, it's just as absurd to have a trial lawyer interpreting incomplete data sets! Do not attempt to understand rates of change without at least a vague notion of the concepts of Statistics and Calculus. Just being in the latter half of first year college calculus, I clearly see there is nothing diabolical going on here. Often in my own work I introduce a true and false set of data, to isolate a variable for analysis, or troubleshooting. Another 'trick' is taking two different looking solutions multiplying one by -1 and adding the two solutions. A graph of this will show a horizontal line if the answers agree, the amount of displacement show how off the solutions are. The initial email demonstrates excellent methodology. Perhaps, we should let the experts do what they are good at, the article's author included!
We should petition ICE, get them permanent residency and allow them to run for Congress. These guys need to hit the talk and morning show circuits.
Kilimanjaro has ceased being of use for you warmers, read up on the real science. Land use is the issue. It was formerly surrounded by forest, and trees yield humidity by their water use. The area around the mountain got converted to farm use, yielding drier air blowing over the ice which causes sublimation. It is shrinking because the air is drier, not because of warming.
Is that simple enough to understand? I ask because you seem to have trouble understanding the content of the "hacked emails" therefore…
The Industrial Revolution really got going in the mid 1800s. By the 1970s, scientists were sounding the alarm about catastrophic global COOLING. Are you saying that in a little under 40 years, humans have so impacted the environment as to not only prevent that dreaded global cooling, but to go overboard and tip the scales to global warming? Amazing.
That was one of the crappiest pieces of rhetoric I've ever read. You speculate on what might occur if certain people were asked a question, and base your answers on your bias.
You question the science behind AGW, but don't provide any evidence to the contrary. Day by day temperatures and weather will fluctuate around the same values whether AGW is real or not. It's merely noise in the data. The only irrefutable evidence will be measurements in 20 or more years – when there is enough data to overcome the noise.
Making up evidence to support a personal agenda is abhorrent.
It also doesn't provide contrary evidence – it must simply be ignored.
On the other hand, we do have good evidence on the vast amounts of pollutants we have poured into the atmosphere and into the water system. And each day we learn of the damage that occurs from it.
We also have very good evidence that the ice caps a are getting smaller year by year. Given that it took 10s of thousands of years to build up that ice, should we simply turn a blind eye to it's disappearance?
In a hundred thousand years we could be in an ice age. Is that evidence that we should ignore a possible 25 year increase in global temperatures of 5 degrees? The problem is that the ignoring such a possibility could threaten the future of billions of human lives.
The fact that those with an agenda on both sides can't get together and gather evidence and agree on the possible outcomes and respond, either way, is troubling to say the least, and reflects badly on everyone.
http://courses.phas.ucalgary.ca/~annlisen/gwposter.html
Some more science. This is a good overview.
It really is a question of measurements before the industry rev and after.
And we should all fear a casual internal email getting out. But facts still remain.
We should all research the studies. Its not rocket science, just science.
so, if the model is created as you state, then future ( ie current ) predictions that don't fit show that the model is erroneous? Please explain your position
An alternative hypothesis for the loss of snows from Mt. K.: deforestration at its base: no retention of run-off water and the tree's expiration. There is more than one explaination of an event, particularly when making associations. Causation is very hard to prove, that is why the hypothesis AGW has led to decrease snow on Mt. K remains conjecture, hysterically presented, but none the less, conjecture; and should be viewed by others as such.
I remember a number of years ago when we folks in the State of Maine were told that we needed to have MBTE added to our gasoline because it was the 'environmentally correct' thing to do… Based on 'good' science they told us but…
What happened was our ground water quickly was becoming poluted by MBTE…
So where does that leave this so called 'good science'?
I hope this makes a point to you all… this climate thing as stated by the CRU and the UN is based on faulty data, data sets and lousy programming… Have you ever known a 'weatherman' to be correct in their predictions????
If anyone wants the truth, watch a video called the The Great Global warming swindle, There people will see the truth of global warming, OPPS! I meant climate change (I have to watch that as I wont be politically correct)! It is a great documentary, and all the facts stated can be verified. I was one of the GW zombies until I saw that video. and that was 4 days ago! Originally I thought it was just big corporate propaganda, but I do like to view both sides of a story.
Sorry to break it to you, KADAKA, but the concensus on Kilimanjaro’s snow disappearance is not unanimous, despite the explanation you would like to present. But, of course, that is to be expected from the dimwitted ‘blame Al Gore’ crew who, ironically, will use climatology reports when it fits the anti- climate change agenda. You make me laugh.
Oh you poor old misinformed fool. The tree ring data used for their hockey stick graphs was discredited months ago as cherry-picked into meaninglessness. Rush Limbaugh recently linked to this very article, and was surprised to discover THREE trees were used. Read the article, there was a lot of "flawed" data discarded, until they got the result they had wanted.
Which BTW is not how science works.
Sorry to break it to you, KADAKA, but the concensus on Kilimanjaro's snow disappearance is not unanimous, despite the explanation you would like to present. But, of course, that is to be expected from the dimwitted 'blame Al Gore' crew who, ironically, will use climatology reports when it fits the anti- climate change agenda. You make me laugh.
Why were the tree ring proxies a reliable indicator of temperatures before 1961, but not after? What changed that year? Was it because “My Fair Lady” premiered on Broadway? That would make as much sense as what we’ve been told.
The tree ring proxies “match” (whatever that means) the observed temperature measurements before 1960, but not after–this is the already-known “divergence problem.” But there’s no explanation of why the two diverge in 1960; hence the need to “hide the decline” in tree-ring proxy temperatures after 1960.
Whatever these guys at the CRU were doing, it wasn’t science, as Al Gore and his Myrmidons have been lecturing us. No one can read these emails, and the programmer’s notes, and call what they were doing scientific.
It's called peer review. Scientists don't have to argue why the facts, found through scientific examination, trump the "beliefs" of anyone libertarian, religious fanatic, or tree hugger for that matter. What they have to do is observe, hypothesize, test, theorize and validate if the results are in line with the hypothesis then it will be retested, others will hypothesize as to the meaning of the results, new hypothesis and tests are constructed, belief has nothing to do with it. Have you never attended a university level mathematics or science class? "Trick" is a common verb used to mean solution. But I'm sure you aren't writing here because you wish to be schooled. I believe that anyone is right to ask why certain things are said, or why scientists theorize the way that they do. If you want to find out why they theorize as they do, read their peer reviewed papers. They are easy to find. If you want to find out why they said what they said in private e-mails, you will have to get it straight from the horses mouth. Private e-mails, however, can shed little light on the durability of scientific theory. A scientist can be a complete D-bag in his personal life, but that does in no way effect the reliability of peer reviewed articles that are reviewed by scientists of all persuasions.
Well, i should expect this much from a blog. Your analysis is leading and very one sided. One should really ask the climatologists to define the questionable methods that they used, not whether they were committing fraud. Additionally, it appears rather unhinged to accuse all environmentalist of not wanting global warming to not exist. I think many environmentalists would answer your first italicized question about being happy with a “YES”, just not the ones with millions of dollars to make off the hysteria.
Sure, I accept the fact that we can change the climate with our emissions but I currently don’t know HOW MUCH power we actually have over the environment. Maybe we will never know, or maybe man-made global warming is not as strong as natural phenomenon, but this does not change the fact that we will eventually see peak oil and should prepare for the rapid price increases to follow.
Perhaps the better conspiracy theory would be that an international body is overblowing global warming to prepare for a disruptions in the fossil fuel markets?
It would take much more than the recent hacking to derail the AGW dupes. The program advances like a German tank. There seems no other option then to relinquish your rights and jump on board. It’s a once in your life win-win proposition, except I can't figure out if I will be in the circles of winners.
I am furious I missed out on that AGW bonanza believing nobody would be that stupid and fall for the hoax.
I know facts aren't important to this crew, but only 10% of scientific papers predicted cooling. Get your facts straight before you use them to make a fool of yourself.
Global Warming and Profound Climate Change is Happening. And, is happening on every planet in our solar system right now. As in Apocalypse Now. The Sun is Bigger. The Solar System is Smaller. And, we are about to roast alive like little twinkles in a bonfire called Hell.
And, never mind your Jesus. He done already save us once. Let's talk Noah. Nobody build an Ark but Noah. Jesus didn't build Noah no Ark. God didn't build Noah no Ark. Nobody built an Ark for Noah except Noah!
And, I don't care what kind of schizophrenic freak Noah was. At least he saved his damn self and the rest of it. (And, God bless his little heart and soul for it.)
So, what we have here is a failure to communicate. Damn the environment to Hell.
We need a Solar System Wide Solution to our current Solar System Wide Problem.
Call it living under the ocean or back in the caves or galactic spacecraft to fly off this burning ball of hell, all I know is it is gonna cost a bloody fortune to build it and it's gonna take the exploitation of almost every reserve we have; pumping and churning out the big bad plumes of acrid acid smoke; and eating every tree we got; and mining every nugget of dirt we need to pump out ever last bleeding drop of oil we have just to lube this machine; or else there won't be any people here anymore to care for this environment at all.
So, get out of my way daydreamer. Cuz one way or another we are gonna build the road back outta hell with or without you.
Sincerely yours
Norman Christian Hoffmann
Tree ring data is also not a reliable proxy for pre-industrial temperatures. Therefore, models that used such data are flawed and can not be used to predict any future temperatures. This fault is currently evident as there has been a pause in rising global temperatures inspite of continued rise in atmopsheric CO2. The knock on Jones is the seletive use of flawed temperature data or flawed proxies for temperature and blending them into a "hockey stick" graph promoted in various venues as a call to action. The only action now is starting all over again from scratch and trying to reconstuct original source data including that that has been deleted from IPCC model authors' computers. We all should be skeptics now.
As a Scientist, I say: This hoax must be investigated!
'Nature' (the Journal), through its Editorial Board must explain itself!
Because -with minimal exceptions- it has been embraced and sponsored by the Democratic Party, we must have an Independent Counsel and FULL OPEN hearings: What did they know? Who knew it? When did they first know about it? Why are they sponsoring legislation based on 'tricks'? Who is getting paid?
Al Gore must return the Nobel Peace Prize.
Excellent points, I can hardly wait. I have know all the way these were scammers. So you remember when Bill Gates was confronted with e-mails, he said: the computer wrote them. This climate case should used to blow open the entire racket of "scientific" crooks, who have for decades used the name of science to conduct politics. Unless you can live up to tests conducted by yours peers you can not even call yourself a scientist. To become a scientist your d work should be available on internet for anyone to check your credentials. Now the whole field is run by outright scammers, when it comes to the "social sciences." Let the climate be a test case.
Dude cut back on the caffine…
This proposed line of questioning is a bit silly, and the author exposes his lack of experience in science and mathematics. As a mathematician and physicist, I can attest that we often use the word "trick" to describe mathematical techniques — "trick" as refering to a surprising or clever skill or technique. It has nothing to do with deception. As to the phrase "hiding the decline", I can certainly understand why, out of context, that might sound like someone who intends to "fudge the numbers" in some way. However, it could just as easily be refering to suppressing some known and well-understood flaw in the data, perhaps due to some systematic error in the measurements, thereby making the results more accurate.
If this is the most damning "evidence" that can be found in those hacked emails, you have found absolutely nothing.
Also suggesting that global warming proponents would not be delighted to have irrefutable proof that mankind is not causing global warming is just plain silly. Of course there are a few environmentalist zealots who would be unhappy to lose that leverage against the use of fossil fuels in general.
I am hardly a global warming proponent myself, but I cannot ignore the weight of scientific consensus, which is the result of hundreds if not thousands of scientists around the world — many of whom were initially skeptics. One out-of-context email that sounds like *maybe* it refers to number fudging does not stand against the weight fo that consensus. Scientists love to prove each other wrong, including climate scientists, and you can bet if that email refers to any published result of any importance, that many other highly intelligent eyes have read the paper and looked for any weakness they could find in methods used to produce those results.
In truth the ascension of Obozo is a good thing. All of the leftist lunacy is fully exposed. No more hiding behind moderate, when the purges begin in 2010, all of this leftist hooey will be vanquished once and for all.
You're ignoring some inconvenient truths here, Steve.
The peer-reviewed papers were derived from raw data, which they won't share with anyone.
Therefore, no one can evaluate their conclusions.
This article was written with a bit of humor and peppered with jabs at the religious like ideology that politics has polluted the science with. I don't think it was intended to be a serious analysis piece. Lighten up. The author is a former stand-up comedian.
You seemed more coherent when you were still taking the meds.
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Ummm, perhaps you should look a bit further. There wasn't "one out-of-context" email that caused this reaction. There were many emails which tended to show many different aspects of the scientists' determination that no one, and I mean no one, was going to look at the raw data, except those whose opinions were already known.
Jim– ALL the data from ALL the studies and ALL the reports are suddenly and very positively suspect as to how accurate they are. These emails and, more important the computer codes, used to extrapolate ALL the climate data in the last twenty years or so is corrupt, incomplete, altered, fudged, manipulated and changed to fit what the 'scientist' *wanted to see*. THAT IS A FACT. They admit it!
Follow the money, not carbon. That's just fertilizer.
The author didn't use the word "conspiracy."
But, since you used it, I agree. The whole AGW movement is shot through with conspiracies and fraud.
You got me there — I hate facts. But isn't it amazing that a wide swath of influential scientists could be so certain of global cooling based only "10% of scientific papers"? Or maybe you were being devious and meant "10% of (ALL) scientific papers", not just scientific papers which dealt with the climate. I mean, there are scientific papers on moths, on plate tectonics, on cosmology, and so on. Very clever, you little alarmist, you.
So, if the consensus on something is not "unanimous", then it isn't true? Glory be, you've just admitted that global warming is hooey, then.
"…should ignore a possible 25 year increase in global temperatures of 5 degrees?"
If we find the thermometers were mis-read, on purpose, to alter our lifestyle, comfort, income and tax level….damn right we should not ignore it, but we should prosecute it.
The corruption of the peer review process is one of the major parts of the scandal.
Just as Al Gore and the other global warming ( I refuse to go along with their name change to "climate change") believers would not be happy to see their views disproven, others are in the same boat.
Do you suppose our congress would be happy with a realization at some point that everything is just fine and no new bills need to be passed? Or environmentalists happy to find out that no species on earth are any longer threatened ?
I confess however I feel conflicted with answering whether I want Obama to suceed. How do you reconcile wishing for failure of a president with what is best for our country?
The emails are only explanations for what the computer codes reveal as very unscientific data sets. The entire 'science' of AGW has been thrown into doubt and all the studies and reports based on that basic model is invalid as a result. The 'consensus' is from 'scientist' that aren't acting like it.
So now you're saying AGW exists and is a plot by Big Industry / Big Energy?
It's not that they just did what they did, and AGW resulted? It's that they set out from the beginning to cause AGW?
Hmmmm… That sounds right.
That was so cool.
See, I figured it out, see, ok? Ok? I figured it out. HEE HEE HEE, I got it, I know what you did. See, you, like, you, umm, said we shouldn't have faith in science and science is a cult of lies. And then you said the scientific world is colluding with Satan. HEE HEE HEE
OK, I figured it out. You didn't really mean that. HA HA, this is a good one. Oh, man, it's good. You really meant the OPPOSITE. OMG OMG, you said the opposite of your actual thoughts, to make a point that the readers at this site are ignorant and would probably think Satan and science go together.
I figured it out. That was way cool. Oh, how I wish I could think of cool stuff.
Just kidding. You're a phuhcking idiot.
"The science is settled" Pres. Obama's science czar.
These people aren't going to let a couple of pesky hacked emails derail their multi trillion dollar train. The message (here in the US) needs to be loud and clear, whoever votes for Cap and Trade is out of a job.
It would be great if the article was satirical. Unfortunately, in the context of the rest of the site, it becomes clear that it's no joke!
Their religion is dead.
Long live their new religion!
THIS IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN GODS DIE
http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/this-...
This is quite possibly the biggest news story today, and none of the state-run media have given more than a few seconds, if that, to it. They are destroying their own credibility.
They can be realisticaly described now as Global Squirmers!
"The just released Copenhagen Diagnosis report (26 authors, 8 countries) found the sea level is rising at unexpected rates."
Too funny!
The hacked emails right before the Copenhagen meetings is a red flag to you. But, the release of the COPENHAGEN DIAGNOSIS right before the meetings doesn't smell of an attempt to scare folks?
LOL.
People, this is yet another clear and present example of the hollow hypocrisy that is at the heart of the Warmist conspiracy.
Frankly, even if carbon is causing global heating; I'd rather see the world blow up than be forced to be subjected to the illogical, self serving, irrational plans these cowards who will not even so much as debate the issue have for us.
BURN EARTH BURN!
Yeah I know but the "intellectual" snobs are acting like the guy is claiming to be the absolute authority on the subject.
Why is it that any progressive/liberal issue that is supported by 'science', is not open for debate and is settled?
I've worked in the science arena for years; and appreciating, relating to and addressing skepticism is the hallmark of science!
To wit, specifically, I work in genetics. And it fascinates me to no end that the liberal media has decided that homosexuality is genetic or biological. There is ZERO supporting evidence. None. Show me the gene! There isn't one. Show me the biochemistry. There is no differentiator. Yet, we are told we must accept homosexuality because folks are 'born that way' or it is 'genetic' There is no supporting science. None.
The accompanying hypocrisy is the pedophile. Certainly, if one is genetically programmed to have a sexual orientation which manifests same sex attraction; the same genetic predisposition would explain the individual that is orientated towards children. Certainly, pedophilia must be a genetic condition and beyond a personal choice; like homosexuality. Right? How could it not. Yet, interestingly enough, there is no science to support genetic/biological pedophilia; therefore, we don't fight for their rights and demand that society accept that they are born that way. We look at them as being perverts who prefer to indulge their deep, dark sexual proclivities.
How is a homosexual different?
The science is the same.
Go here Jim:
October 1, 2009 showing Mann's data set got released by a request of Steve McIntyre to the journal called the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. The data set was published on the internet. Read more here Mr. Robinson: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomm...
The Hockey Stick graph and data: http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-County-Cons... I guess you haven't heard this in the mainstream media you watch exclusively?
Try keeping an open mind Jim you are not in Kansas anymore!
I do think, if it was not something worldwide, it could be pulled off.
In simplest terms, this is not science.
It is activism, at best. It is eco-corporate R&D and product development, at worst.
These scientist aren't searching for an answer. The question is not, 'is the earth heating, and if so, what is causing it.'
These 'scientists' are starting with a product idea; global governance. And they have come up with a marketing campaign; the earth is warming. Within that marketing campaign they have developed a 'hook'; it's caused by carbon emissions.
There is no investigative effort to answer any questions here. There is a marketing effort to 'sell' their product.
see the URL's from KWG! posted earlier about peer review and the hockey stick. That stuff was in answer to Jim if you want to find it! Happy reading, oh and a rude awakening!
Your an idiot, valid models have rules, if the only reason a "rule" exists is to simply match the real track when the modeling starts to skew then it's simple manipulation not modeling.
The real test is can the model hold up and predict the future using the same inputs it used to match the past, back casting can be done, forecasting is the trick.
After looking at this model it is a simple and done none to well back casting example by someone that is fairly incompetent even at that
This "model" is complete trash developed by a charlatan to get grant money, nothing more
ditto to the above two replies!
Well I'd love to be on the Jury, but since only 12 would be lucky enough, just being in the Court Room would be invigorating enough, at least until the (Corrupt) Judge announced Innocent, overturning the Jury's findings of unanimous guilt!!!!!!!!!
He's a great man and has been fighting this hoax from the begging!
So the "Trick" was to disgard tring ring data to hide the decline? Why would the simple removal of an input be referred to as a trick? This is simple CYA BS
Your and idiot, this year when Santa puts coal in your stocking it's not your mum that thinks your a wanker, it's Santa.
That's funny !
Let us look at precisely who has funded these people if you want to know if an agenda exists!
Soon enough the oil cornucopians will accuse the Peak Oil crowd of "hiding the decline". These will be the new code-words to try to marginalize the Peak Oil argument. A decline will be coming, but the business-as-usual people will do everything in their power to obscure this fact.
Maybe….by your second year, you'll realize that the false data has to be—removed—before you reach any valid conclusions. Removed, as in disregarded entirely.
The best thing about the revelations of these emails is that in the future morons like yourself will not likely make a living off of taxpayer money.
You do have a trade to fall back on don't you?
You must admit Mr. Schlichter and similar minded people. There is a degree of hypocrisy going on. The facts are that the scientific evidence is dependant or suitable data collected over vast periods of periods of time. It is subject to interpretation and errors. The data collected is in turn dependant on the theory the scientist is attempting to prove. Taking any one set of data as the Holy Grail is fraught with danger. It is akin to taking one email out of context.
However; the overall scientific evidence is over-whelming. Something is causing the sea levels to rise and the world’s glaziers to melt at record rates. (not to mention the extreme melting that is occurring in the Arctic and Antarctica)
The most credible explanation is excessive greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. It is the time to encourage your political leaders to take the lead at Copenhagen and aim for 350ppm. 350ppm is the safe level to prevent runaway climate change and average temperature increases exceeding 6c by 2100.
All you're posting are discredited talking pints; you have NO facts!
As we have seen, now, all of those "peer review" papers were written by the extremist "GLOBAL WARMING" nutters, some of whom were telling all of us, in the late '60s and '70s that by this time, the east coast and the west coasts of America would be under glaciers. Didn't happen, so they switched to warming and now to "climate change".
Hint, hint………………climates change; it's the NORMAL cycle the earth has gone through, from the time it was formed or created…..whatever you believe.
The “alternate” sources of "clean-renewable" energy are most destructive to the environment. Alternate means to start creating energy from scratch or from nothing, which is obviously an absurd proposition. It is much more sensible to use the energy that our planet created and has stored over time by converting the energy radiated by the sun, for example, to create coal. Oil, the other “dirty” energy, generated on a continual basis inside our earth through the internally stored heat of the core. The other “dirty” energy is fusion and fission that unlock the energy stored in the atoms. So, the energy suppliers are the sun, the earth and matter.
A simple example of the absurdity in the quest to prevent global warming is the voltaic solar panel. It converts about 10 % of the suns radiation into electricity and the rest into heat. Where does that heat go to? It’s not funny, but it heats up the environment and causes global warming, Additionaly, to produce the cell 520 kWh were gobbled up per each rated Watt. and each 1kWh it produces costs 62 cent. The cost per kWh is actually the cost to the environment.
Peak Oil has been around for a very long time.
You can read the historic predictions, major fail after major fail.
If you predict the same thing long enough, the law of averages says that, one day, it will be true. The question is, when will it be true. Another question, related: What do we have as an alternative?
Nuclear comes to mind. But the same nutjobs who hate oil also hate nuclear. For the foreseeable future, fossil fuels or nothing are our choices. The new technologies, such as hydrogen, aren't gonna happen any time soon. When they do, we'll be in great shape. At present, there are serious technical problems with hydrogen power, but if those issues could be resolved, it would be a very good replacement for oil.
It wasn't meat……………..these same nutters claimed that the earth would be barren, yes, completely barren, due to the " POPULATION BOMB" and that vast swaths of people would starve to death, LONG BEFORE THE TURN OF THE CENTURY ( the 21rst. ), because the earth just could not produce enough crops to sustain those alive in the early 1970s. .
I agree. As mindbendingly bizzare that this last year has been, I think we really needed this for that very reason. Expose these cretins to the light of day. Do not let them hide behind the scenes anymore. The trick will be stopping them before any permanent damage is done. Still hard to tell but, the 2010 eathquake may be better than we could hope. We may be structurally better off than we have been in a long, long time..
ahhhh, probably just leftover turkey talkin'…………
QUOTE: "The just released Copenhagen Diagnosis report (26 authors, 8 countries) found the sea level is rising at unexpected rates."
How unexpected? Did the sea level rise at a rate lower than expected? Will we see some more mindless doctored photos? How about laughable videos reminiscent of the movie, Moses?
Hmmm, methinks it's time for someone to go 'Breitbart' on the climate-change industry…
Let's just say that, since I can still voice an opinion of my own free will, I choose to say……. no. Why are worldwide temeratures averaging slightly lower. Why are we setting record cold temeratures, in the summer months, in the areas that, according to the Church of Greenhouse Emissions should be recording the highest temps? That being Greenhouse emitting cities. No. The data is tainted. The data has been hijacked by politically motivated psuedo-scientific seers, interested only in keeping the Federal Grant monies flowing. As for your last two sentences, I would be banned from this forum if I used the language I should use. Flipping bunk.
Al Gore does have a religion it is called GAIA something to do with Mother Earth! What a wacko! I agree there should be a Class Action Law Suit against Al Gore and the Scientists that used fraudulent data to make hundreds of millions of dollars and it ain’t over yet! The liberal News Media MSNBC, NBC, ABC,CNN and CBS will act like nothing a occured and keep on shoving Man Made Global Warming (Climate Change) down our throats. Yes it is great that the frauds finally got caught, but until a Major Class Action is filed they will keep on keeping on! I have been fighting this for years and it is a great day to finally be proven right along with the greatest climate scientists in the world! Al Gore is the greatest Snake Oil Saleman in the world! The lemmings will still keep marching over the cliff! It’s a shame what has been done in the name of fraudulent Science! RePower America has infiltrated the sanctum of the States! Southern Baptist Convention is on board with Al Gore and Gloabal Warming! We have to get the truth out to the people of America or we will be paying triple our electric bill and driving battery cars the size of a tonka toy!
To the People and Scientists who still believe in Global Warming I have a question: Why did they name Greenland, Greenland?
The ever-babbling-about-nothing Media are so dead silent on this corruption it is infuriating! Talking about Copenhagen with nary a peep about this underlying fraud. No dissent allowed, just like their partners-in-crime "scientists" shutting up the opposition. There are no words strong enough to describe the contempt these people deserve.
"The data collected is in turn dependant on the theory the scientist is attempting to prove."
Indeed. And, in determining if global warming is actually a reality….what data set should be collected? Clearly, the warmist scientists believe that, as you say 'the theory the scientist is attempting to prove", the data set should be any data that can be manipulated to show that warming is taking place. Yes? Since they are trying to prove the earth is warming.
"Taking any one set of data as the Holy Grail is fraught with danger. "
Indeed. As dangerous as only collecting data which can be manipulated to support the theory which they are attempting to prove.
"It is akin to taking one email out of context."
Indeed. Yet, what if that one email was in the context of over 1000 other emails and over 3800 documents?
And you are further correct in your summation that the scientific evidence is overwhelming. Something is causing the rise of the sea and melting of glaciers.
Based on freshly presented 'scientific' evidence; that something is the manipulated dated that was collected.
Time to redo this using scientific methodology. Not the sketchy statistical foreplay that has precursed the attempted rape of mankind.
Amazing.
Our current administration wants us to march as quickly as we can into a global warming agreement. As quickly as we can into a health care bill. Huge debate and alternative ideas exist. Yet, we are told there is NO time to waste. We must act NOW.
Yet, this same administration chooses to wait months and months and months to decide what to do in Afghanistan. As soldiers die every day. And, we are told that the president wants to be careful and thoroughly weigh his options and fully understand the situation and repercussions of any actions taken.
Really?
Is this administration for real?
The BS just gets deeper and deeper.
Yeah, it wasn't rocket science to intuit your point, Jim. Of course it's in their (Oil/Coal industries) interest to rebut assertions intended to adversely affect their businesses. But you have to catch them dirty — as the global-warming alarmists were caught dirty — to allege any type of misconduct. Presenting their own defensive information and/or evidence and/or equally-qualified experts' research results is their professional responsibility as well as their absolute right.
The current discussion is about misconduct by warming alarmists. Asserting that the "other side does it too" is not only a losing proposition, it would require at least some semblance of legitimacy to argue that view.
P.S. It's likely that most Glenn Beck viewers watch his show for entertainment, information, and a feeling of engagement. His is an opinion and commentary production, but fact-checking of his opinions and commentary is made simple by his 'show and tell' style — he cites his resources and/or presents the evidence (such as video tapes) that said commentary is based on — unlike the warming alarmist bunch who seem to think "because WE said so" should keep all of us nitwits satisfied. It doesn't, and it won't.
The rains come.
The rains do not come.
The storms come.
The lions eat the people.
The snake is in the house……
And the witch doctor still gets paid.
Poo Poo. Everyone get a good nights sleep and let the earth do what its going to do with or without any consideration from us.
George was great, I loved his brand of sarcastic humor.
Stop bitching, take responsibility and take action. Stop all donations to the political party(s) responsible for this fraud. Stop donations to all environmental groups which funded this Global Warming propaganda campaign with our money, especially The Environmental Defense Fund. Write your state and federal representatives demanding wall to wall investigations of government sponsored funding and coordination of this and related propaganda campaigns and demand indictments of those responsible. Write your state and federal Attorneys General demanding Al Gore and others conducting Global Warming/Climate Change racketeering and mail fraud operations be brought to justice, indicted, tried, convicted and jailed. That’s what I have done in response to this outrageous violation of the public trust. Think of the consequences if you do nothing!
Didn't Carol Browner declare that global warming was settled science? Maybe we don't know what settled science is.
why arent these tree hugger celebating that mother earth isnt warming after all, that everythings gonna be ok? besause they are deranged hypnotized lunatic libs with low IQs
Wow…the things I miss when I'm having a great Thanksgiving with my family. At least I can laugh all weekend at work reading this stuff!!
Al Gore has stated rather excitedly he forsees the day his net worth soars from the present level of approximately 100 million to a billion in the near future, subject, of course, to the implementation of his Cap & Trade scam. I, for one, find his observation rather revealing. Some people need it in brail I guess. But I must say he comes by it honest. His daddy was a big-government scam artist too. As a Tennessean, I and many others have watched it for years. The trash-heap, third-world-hellhole known as Memphis made it all possible. That's how these conartists got elected…..
good post….agree….this question really hit home with me…..
Mr. Gore, would you be happy if tomorrow you were to see irrefutable scientific evidence that mankind’s activities are not causing the Earth to warm?
Of course not, because as you so well articultae, it is a religion not based on science, as espoused by this mysterious "peer group"….BTW, did you see Fox interview of Ed Begley??? what a religious zealot he his???
Great article. Here is the link to FOX news interview on climategate, and interview of Ed Begley…..he goes crazy about his religious view that only the "Peer Review Studies" ???????? ….has the intellectual capacity to understand climate change????…..no other scientifically trained minds (weathermen???) can understand climate change — what arrogance!! This is why I also agree this is more a religion, and not a science……watch this interview…..Ed Begley has no degree or scientific training to make the Peer review group….so why does he think we should listen to this crap????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429xoDtqS-A
sounds like he believes in the boogeyman, that big strong powerful guy up in the sky….called the deciples — "Peer review group" and the supreme being — Albert Gore
Mike,, you might be referring to one or two verses in the Bible that mention not to have faith in Science. It was a lesson for us to realize that our Faith is in God 1st. (Hebrews Ch 11)
I bet the Adam Lambert affair makes more news in the Dead Stream Media than this little climate dustup.
"We also have very good evidence that the ice caps a are getting smaller year by year.
We do? There are two ice caps and Antarctica, the far far larger of the two, is increasing except for a tiny bit on the west end.
what is your point? if it's that models are always adjusted by 'fudge factors' until they jibe correctly with known data, my answer is "oh, no f___ing sh!t?"
but if your point is that it is routinely accepted for the DATA ITSELF to be fudged to fit the model, then my answer is "that's f__ing bullsh!t!"
please clarify…
The debate is not about climate change. the debate is about the left creating a mechanism to control the people.
The earth is gonna do whatever it wants. And there is nothing humans can do to stop it.
I pose this question, What happens to the global climate when you remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and the atmosphere gets saturated with oxygen? This has happened before in earths history and it is not a pretty picture for the survival almost all lif on this planet.
I beleive I once mentioned how the RICO laws were used against La Contra Nostra to bring down mobsters such as John Gotti,Micheal Franzene, and Anthony "tony pro" Porvenzano. Those same RICO laws can and should be used against the criminals whove engaged in the biggest hoax in WORLD HISTORY against not only America, but against free enterprise in general. The whole concept of AGW was not only against America. It was against freedom period. It was designed to criminalize the use of carbon, which has thousands of practical uses in our everyday lives. Right now, someone should be hunting down George Soros for his role in this scam. Soros is interested only in control and power, the money involved doesnt mean that much to him. Likewise with former environmental nut Maurice Strong, who now lives of all places in Red China. These two are even worse than Gore or Jones.
hey, if three rings are good enough for Barnum & Bailey, they oughta be plenty for science, right?
did you get that @christbot? to reiterate- it is OK to manipulate data, assumptions, etc., in the process of perfecting your model, but it is definitely NOT OK to incorporate any 'fudged' data into your final model and then use it to reach valid conclusions.
if i were you, i wouldn't throw out any brochures about diesel mechanics college, etc…
Get a life Nick-Antartctica isnt melting anytime in your and my lifetimes combined. Its what it has been for over a million years and will likely continue to be that way. Maybe you can produce some of this "evidence", the same sort that Micheal Mann was using with his discredited "hockey stick" graph. Use some common sense. Weather forecasters TODAY cannot tell you what the weather will be in one week or one month. What makes you belevie they can predict the weather in 50 years? And oh by the way-Doomsday acolyte Paul Ehrlich predicted in 1970 by 2000 we would all have to be living in "bubble cities" from overpopulation and pollution. Its 2009-where are the bubble cities? In 1992 actor turned environmental "expert" Ted Danson "predicted" all our Seas would be so polluted in 10 years they would be unusable. Any sane person today can see how far that is off. That alone tells me the econuts have been frauds ever since Rachel Carson first wrote "Silent Spring".
I'm with you. I prefer death with a shred of dignity, where in the run-up to same, I would be able to work and take care of my loved ones. Under the deranged madmen who promot global warming, nothing of the sort will be possible. (And besides, I seriously doubt there's any such "burn" in our future.)
"The fact that those with an agenda on both sides can't get together and gather evidence and agree on the possible outcomes and respond, either way, is troubling to say the least, and reflects badly on everyone."
no, when one side is repeatedly shown to be alarmist, lying c___s___ers, it's just plain prudence on our part.
Weather forecasters are not atmospheric scientists. Weather is limited to the lowest layer of the atmosphere, the troposhere. Ever wonder why you see anvil shaped tops on severe thunderstorms? Its because they flatten out when they reach the stratosphere, where the tempertures actually increase with height, as opposed to the troposhere, where temps decrease with height. So any weather forecaster trying to sell you on AGW is full of bunk. Same with climatology, which is merely the history of weather in a given location.
we had that crap in Colorado, too. "saves 10% on harmful emissions!", but many vehicles got 10-15% worse mileage and cancelled any benefit out and then some. enviro-dumbasses. and it stunk so bad it nauseated me to fill up.
That is a very insightful comment, Dave Tallow.
You juxtaposed the sense of urgency the administration conveys on one issue with the recalcitrance they evidence on another. I like it a lot. Thanks!
And now we learn that Obama's Science Czar, Holder, is involved in CRU's unfolding scandal. So the global climate hoax reaches the White House, interesting. Main Stream media is not covering the story yet. Probably checking the facts and will have the story on real soon, right?
Excellent points.
(And, by the way, hardly anyone, any more, knows to write "Attorneys General," the same way they don't understand it's "brothers-in-law." I like it a lot.)
Exactly, Liberty666. Thank you for yet another astute comment.
Fact is, this global warming thing is a religion, and folks get mighty touchy when you mess with their religion.
I watched that, and you are right, it is more of a religion than a science. But in Begley's defence, at least he seems to try to live his religion. Al Gore has a house that had a carbon imprint many times the average. He has not stopped eating mean and become a vegetarian, which the scientists say will reduce more emisions that oil, and will not answer questions and take the grilling that Bagley volunteered for. And Gore laughs all the way to the bank. I don't know what the payoff for Begley is, except he is true to his religion.
Very good comment!
the 'trick' was employed to deliberately 'hide the decline' which would have inconveniently contradicted their goals of promoting AGW.
yes, we're all well aware the word 'trick' is often used to connote a particularly clever, but otherwise entirely legitimate, method of solving a problem. that ain't what these crooked scumbags meant, and i think you know it.
oh well, you gave it a shot. thank you for playing our game, we have these lovely parting gifts…
- Internet creation? – Check.
- Hanging chads? – Check.
- Hockey stick? – Check.
- Polar Bear Suit? – Check.
- Anthropogenic CO2? – Check.
- Natural CO2? – Disregarded
- Warm period calculations? – Disregarded.
- Little ice age? – Deicer engauged.
- Solar cycles? – Disregarded.
- Sea Levels? – Normal.
- Climate Change? – Fluctuations Normal, Disregarded.
- An Inconvienient Truth Flaps?- Rotated.
- Investments? – All CFL lights are showing green.
- Al Farce One to Ivory Tower? – Go ahead Al Farce One.
- Al Farce One request take off and flight instructions.
- Roger that Al Farce One. Proceed to runway One Eight Zero. Some clouds caused by an updraft of
adverse emails around 20,000 feet that might cause a slightly bumpy ride… nothing to worry about though…. NYT, CNN and MSN report it's not on their radars. Otherwise, it looks like good weather conditions all the way to Copenhagen. Have a good flight.
Water Vapor is a far more common greenhouse gas the CO2 ever has been or ever will be. You certainly cannot have precipation without water vapor. And by the way-strong winds do more to remove ANY pollutant than the UN or there fellow commies ever will. Pollution is caused more by Temperature inversions(temp increasing with height or at least staying isothermal) than decreasing. Since temperature inversions occur only in the lowest levels of the troposhere, the pollutants will get trapped closer to the ground. Inversions also create light winds, since cold, unstable air is needed for strong winds. Learn something about the subject first , and not from scientists who are nothing but govt whores taking bribes from the govt to be propaganda artists, like a number of the so-called meterologists at the Weather Channel. The founder of the Weather Channel is one of the leading AGW critics by the way, Dr John Coleman.
Are you scared C Eric?
You shouldn't be….. Your on Scare Tactics.
when the forces of light come for him, he'll be hold that f___ing medal like a cross to ward off vampires.
By the way…. Your friends set you up!
humans must refuse to pass gas! this will stop the apocalypse from starting…tomorrow
i put the ass in astute
Don't hold your breath.
I think the e-mails and files were leaked. When there is cheating going on, employees that are honest can't sleep at night while being ordered to do the illegal. Leaking is their way to get guilt off their chest and not face personal threats.
Can these fake scientists show examples of a controlled study where there is a planet that is like our and not industrialized?
You also put the "fun" in funny as hell.
LOL, good one!
"Scientists love to prove each other wrong, including climate scientists," not if it will also cut their own throats (aka funding), they don't.
and yeah, we all get the concept of legitimately dropping clearly anomalous data, but we also understand that surreptitiously dumping/fudging/manipulating almost all contradictory data as if it were simply anomalous is dishonest B___S___. not to mention, we could all judge this for ourselves if they weren't using the utterly lame 'my dog ate my homework' excuse to hide the raw data.
nice try, perfessor…
another good tip-hold your breath, this maximizes your oxygen consuption, thus helping mother earth more efficiently regulate its temperature, we all have to be global stewards
Keep the heat on the Global Warmers (I'm sorry, now that it's cooling, the Climate Changers). Use Copenhagen as an opportunity to raise holy heck and expose charlatan Al and is his "religion" for what it truly is…….one of the greatest scams in human history.
"I confess however I feel conflicted with answering whether I want Obama to suceed. How do you reconcile wishing for failure of a president with what is best for our country?"
Easy. There are about 300 million Americans and one BHO. looks to me like it's 300,000,000:1 in favor of what's best for our country.
Exactly! Thus my reference to The Witch Doctor.
or did it rise .005" instead of the anticipated .001"? OMG- that's 500% worse than expected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anybody who's worried about rising seas is an idiot. absolute worst case scenarios call for increases on the order of 10" in 100 years- or 1/10th of one inch per year. anybody threatened by that not-even-glacial advance would be trampled in a sloth stampede. i don't think it's an efficient use of resources to try saving people so ill-suited for survival on this planet.
He who smelt it dealt it.
LOL… don't you just hate one liners…… Sorry… couldn't resist. It's just so easy with the "balloon boy climate gate hoax".
I have to laugh to keep from crying…. hope that doesn't add to the water vapor in the atmosphere
"The data collected is in turn dependant on the theory the scientist is attempting to prove."
honest scientists use honest data and methodologies to lead them to honest conclusions. dishonest scientists attempt to 'prove' their theories.
well done.
"Mr. Gore, would you be happy if tomorrow you were to see irrefutable scientific evidence that mankind’s activities are not causing the Earth to warm?"
no more so than the rabid gun banners would be to never have another murder by firearm…
i just laughed releasing excess c02, i whipped myself as punishment, you made me laugh so please punish yourself, or plant 5 trees immediately
I saw that earlier and love it.. You weren't wrong and you sure as HELL were not lying! Thank you for the well-informed comment.
When you look at it from that angle (as a religion, complete with heterodoxy), it makes sense. Every other perspective only makes one say, "Umm, what?".
(I can't help but wonder: Are you George S. Patton's granddaughter?)
Coming Soon to a theater near you…..
"AIRPLOT 2010"
Carbon credit tickets on sale now at selected outlets.
Right! Why should we deify science as it has always been wrong about everything. Science once insisted that the Earth was flat; that the Earth was the center of the universe; that the sun revolved around the Earth, etc. Now it has been shown to have been wrong about this too. Give me a break!
Mr. Schlichter,
If those are the questions you would actually ask, you would lose the case … badly.
I recommend sticking to entertainment law, and leave science and "scientific" hoaxes alone.
As Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chretien offered this in response to a serious question:
“A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.”
This guy started lobbying Chinese energy firms on behalf of Canadian co's 2 months after leaving office.
Obama/SEIU/ACORN/Soros are all locked together in one big criminal organization that is out to steal the wealth of the USA and redistribute it to their Union and big corporate cronies here and around the world. They are using Health Care Reform, Cap and Trade, Deficit Spending and the take over of every private industry they can get their hands on as a means of getting a hold of their ill gotten loot. The only way to stop them is No 1. Stop the passage of the Health Care Reform and Cap and Trade Bills by calling your Senators day and night, No. 2. Speaking out to your neighbors and friends to turn public sentiment and No. 3. Do everything you can to take the House and Senate back from the Democrats in 2010 so the GOP can start an investigation of Obama and his crooked ilk. If you think a 3rd party alternative is the answer, you might as well vote for a Democrat and just let destroy the US.
INCOMING! DUCK! RUNNING GAG ALERT!…..
The only trees I could find were Holiday and Pear Trees to hug….. "Partridge not included". Guess I will have to punish myself.
BOOM!
Climate change advocates are vested politically, ideologically, financially…? And their opponents are vested in what? Truth? Please. Oil and gas industries drive the agenda on the right. So lets be honest on motives. If the science behind conservation is all part of some green/red commie conspiracy to create more government control and less liberty I'll apologize. Doubt I'll ever have to. I'll put my faith in ideals before I fall in line with greedy cowards that want to minimize change for the better, while preserving their liberty to do nothing more than keep their pockets fat
Give me a diverse group of individuals and an insurmountable task and I'll give you utter defeat!
Give me a group of selfless, dedicated team players who concentrate on what they have in common, and I'll take down that insurmountable mountain, sir!
… nameless grunt commenting on the invasion of the Phillipines in World War 2.
Absolutely, they are the real drivers of AGW from decades ago. Follow the money. Gorelione is just the most visible face of the scam. Think pyramid scheme then think iceberg because 9/10ths is below the water line or in the case of AGW, RCU, Hedley etc.off the radar.
It's not that science is satanic, Mike.
It's that some scientists today have forgotten that truth is NOT opinion.
All things are NOT relevant. The simplest answer is NOT always the correct answer.
And with all things being equal… they seldom are.
i reccomend hugging a rose bush, kill two birds with one stone, Al would be proud
No, but have an old Scots-Irish temperment. I am the great grandaughter of a Patton.
My Dad fought in Patton's 3rd, the Bulge, release of the prison camps……..
My great uncle was a dead ringer for George S.
A family clan is a family clan.
My concern is that even though artificial global warming has been sold as a fact, when there’s just as much evidence to dispute it, especially in light of the CRU “climategate” misadventure is that here in the USA, for example, it has already been put into various regulations, policies, and not to mention, taxes– which to me is eerily similar to Nazi Germany, when a minority of fanatical hoax and fear mongerers who based their policies on complete lies, managed to slither their way up the chain of events back then, to take over control of everything– and overnight, the good citizens there found themselves without a representational form of government, replaced by a dictatorial one– then were subsequently bombed back into the Stone Age by the Allied forces– the elections in November 2010 in the USA may be our last chance to forestall a modern version of the Reichstag Fire – to put people back into our government to make corrections to the things that are based on wholly incorrect assumptions.
PETA would be furious! Or not…. can't decide.
Wake Up america! Arrest Al Gore for Fraud and Treason! He's working with the UN to undermine the American people for cash! Lots of cash! There is no global warming! It is a lie that has been exposed by the e-mails that have hit the the internet! Notice the they didn't deny that the were real? they are real and they show how they have been and continue to lie about global warming! Global warming is just a scam by the UN to try and steal Americas wealth! Obama is helping them by continuing to claim there is global warming when it is clear there is none! By doing so he has comitted treason! He is selling us out for cash just like Al Gore! Impeach Obama! Do it now! If congress won't-kick them all out and replace them with citizen statesmen-part time politians!
Shut down Acorn and SEIU and every other afiliated group!They are a criminal enterprise! Read the articles! Wake Up america! only you can svae us! Onlyyou can save your children! Only you can stop the Un from stealing our country! Get the USA out of the UN and the Un out the USA! Demand our politains follow our will not special interest! wake up before its too late for you and your family to survive! Obama and his cronies are out to linetheir own pockets and to steal you blind while destorying this country! Pay attention! Obama is trying to destory this country! why else would he continue preaching global warming enlight of the emails? How much has he been promised or paid already ina swiss bank account or one in Crete! wake up America! Obama is unwilling to show his birth ceritficate! Why? demand he produce it! Wake up America before these criminals have stolen everything that is america and given it to third world dictators at the UN for cash in their pockets! wake Up! Protest! be civil disobient! Demand they stop! Onkly you can do it! If you don't who will? not our politains who have been charged with doing it! they are bought and paid for by special interests! wake Up and fight for your rights! Only you can save your rights!
Actually, I believe he has already made billions. If cap and trade goes through, his companies will be selling carbon offsets and making even more. In the mean time, Gore's own "carbon footprint" is something like 20 times that of the average American.
"Afghanistan? What do you mean I can't vote 'Present'?"
an assertion, but not an argument. care to back it up with anything, including your own legal and/or scientific credentials? and if you're going to make the attempt, PLEASE do your homework and go back thru all the pathetic excuses/defenses already proffered that were summarily shot down in the comments so far. try to give us something original to play with.
Ah!…. got it! Had to have another cup of coffee.
Petas would be furious.
Acorns would be too.
If you throw stones at Al Glorious
You will be beaten by Seiu
(Sung to the tune of "Roses are Red, Violence is Blue")
This isn't the only aspect of Global Warming that needs to be fully investigated. Do a search on the following and see where it takes you: Dr. Richard L. Sandor, Chicago Climate Exchange, American Electric Power & Mr. Bruce Braine. You'll find a web of conflict of interest beyond "belief" (except now anything is believable). How can the Father of Carbon Trading be on the board of the US's largest electric company and be unbiased in borad discussions or votes. How can AEP's Senior VP of Policy Analysis be on Chicago Climate Exchange's board and give AEP unbiased advice about climate change strategy and legislation? Yet the conflicts have existed since 2000. Search for AEP Board Policies and you will find their 2006 version that strictly prohibits perceived conflicts, but they still kept going with their tricks. When will some regulatory/government agency call them on it?
Crunch!
Just thumbed y'all back up.
Ain't it amazing how the thumbs down cockroachs scurry when you turn on the lights? Seems like they are here today in force.
Don't bother Uriel…. Allowing them to keep defending the "science" is very entertaining and does fall within the scope of "entertainment law" Especially when the facts are now supporting that they should all be indited and convicted of the comedy of man made global warming. It's man made alright….. these men made it up and the jokes on us. But we shall soon see who has the last laugh.
The cockroaches are scattering. Al Gore is already shifting his message. It's a new day.
but will your "faith in ideals" clothe, feed, and keep you and family warm after the climate charlatans have destroyed the world economy? worst case scenario, real 'climate change' might -might- make things uncomfortable for future generations- perhaps hundreds of years in the future, but wrecking our economy in the name of saving the planet will make things uncomfortable right here, right now. and just because maybe some of those who believe in that crap have only the purest intentions, will not make the suffering any more tolerable.
really, John, aren't you taken aback by the blatant manipulation of the science? forget the possible motives of the other side for just a moment- nobody is arguing they're choirboys. it's becoming plain to anybody with more than three communicative brain cells that a huge, core belief of the environmental movement is based on a huge LIE. doesn't that bother you?
I take the stuff that has been discovered from science. It's the pseudo scientist liars of climate change that I won't ever listen to.
fraud fraud fraud money money money
The public has every right to know the data on both sides of this very important issue. While there may be truth to what the Greens say, there may also be truth to the old adage "follow the money" and there has been plenty of it made by environmentalists on this issue. We deserve to hear both sides regardless of politics.
Gore has made at leasyt 100 Million, but his company would make BILLIONS, should the damnedable CAP&TAX get through the Senate.
divide and conquer.
sir,you are an idiot
Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark. lol!
Ayn Rand covered this beautifully in Atlas Shrugged.
I wonder if we could get AGW declared a religion. If it were defined as one formally, then the government would have to distance itself from AGW, just based on current interpretation of "separation of church and state". Not that that interpretation is correct, but it would serve its purpose.
The problem with your argument is that you want people who are conducting research to discredit AGW to obtain funding from those organizations actively working to quash all contrary research efforts. So tell me, who would you go to for funding? Duh!
They can't. It would be the equivalent of eating their own young. If they say anything, they lose the zealots. If they don't say anything, they lose the honest skeptics. It's their own fault.
John, if you had information that could possibly prove a facet of AGW wrong, and needed funding to validate your theory, from whom would you obtain your funding? From organizations aligned with IPCC, USA or the UN? With the EPA? With Soros-aligned groups? Get real. You would go to organizations that are willing to fund you. Unfortunately for you, those are the organizations that have skin in the game – energy companies. Find me a pro-AGW agency that would fund an anti-AGW research project, and I'll find you a pro-abortion PAC that funds an anti-abortion group.
If you put your faith in ideals, you'd look at both sides of the argument. I don't see that here from you.
human abortion is ok with peta, but dog abortion is genocide and needs to be brought to the attention of the pets United Nations
i would love seiu to get in my face, so i can justifiably beat the crap out of them in self defence
The only thing the CRU emails prove is that the "consensus" is maintained by coercion, intimidation and character assassination. These are not the activities of scientists, but of partisans.
These partisan activities make suspect the scientists' motives and conclusions.
Multiple independent reviews are now necessary, and I'm guessing the results won't be favorable to the "Alarmist" crowd.
It appears to be ALL ABOUT THE MONEY and world prestige POWER. Follow the investments. Gore came up with the brilliant idea to make money, and look like world leaders and saviors at the same time and Pelosi and many others investing in solar, etc. jumping on board. I don't think they liked that Bush made money on oil and decided to stop the oil – drilling and all and force people into their investments SOLAR, etc. However, shutting down the natural coal mines, and refusing to even consider drilling in our own yards – costs Americans in much higher electric, gas expenses reaching all the way to the grocery store. Watch for the new laws they are trying to pass forcing you into their investments such as to invest thousands to keep and maintain solar on your roof, at a much higher cost than electricity, but profits them.
It should be illegal to use political positions to pass laws forcing people to buy into their investments when they are employed by the people! It appears to be clearly unethical to say the least as well as a conflict of interest. It stems on being rather arrogant to even think man has such power over the universe and the natural changes that occur in the earth! As others have said; it is not about science or man made global warming – it is a new man made religion – looking for more money and power over the world – a little at a time – even if it takes a trick or two, here and there!
I am all for green and clean; but if they were sincere, wouldn't it make more sense to encourage the people to go green by cutting prices or making prices reasonable for people to afford solar (starting one person at a time) instead of prices hiking on the GW agenda and seeking power and money through world governments?
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