Radical Teachers Push Marxist Agenda and Shift Culture Leftward, Part II
by Kyle OlsonFar left teachers have young minds captured for 6 ½ hours a day and work subtly to fill them with Marxist and radical ideas. That’s what a New York City teacher explained [see the video here] at the recent socialist Left Forum, transcribed courtesy of the Washington Times:
“How do you act as a teacher…in a classroom? Kind of promote ideas of Marxism or kind of begin to (in-audible)? Ya’ know, I think part of it is, particularly at the high school level or at an elementary school level, you have to be careful, because your job…they want you to stick to fairly narrow things and that can be fairly frustrating about it. You can do it wherever you possibly can.”
You just need to be subtle about it. Can’t put up the Soviet flag. Can’t replace Washington’s picture with ole Karl. So how does one go about it?
“Part of it is just actually allowing for room for critical thought in the classroom and allowing for students to think for themselves to talk about issues wherever it’s possible to bring in history and you know…radical from the past… fight for that kind of thing. And I think there is space to do that. There is limitations that we have to do to try to provide that room in our classrooms. I think that radicals and socialists have a particular role to play in fighting for that type of education and bringing it whenever possible…”
And this scheme seems to be working beautifully.
A survey from late last year commissioned by the Bill of Rights Institute revealed that nearly half of U.S. adults thought a popular Marx saying —”from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” — originated from one of the founding documents.
Karl Marx in the same sentence as America’s founding documents. Let that marinate for a minute.
Their efforts are paying off and they’re moving America’s culture leftward. That doesn’t bode well for our roots of liberty and self-governance.






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"From each according to his work ethic, to each according to his unwillingness to be self reliant and responsible"
FIXED.
What ever happened to our teachers helping to prepare our children to be responsible adults? Most of our teachers now view it as their responsibility to indoctrinate our children to what the teacher believes is right. It is time that all parents take back their children's education from those who want to train the children in collectivism.
State-sanctioned child abusers (check the 2004 DOE study by Professor Shakeshaft for details) doing what they do in publik skools. They will do it until the publik skool monopoly is busted and private market accountability is established.
Oh, to grow up to be a brain-dead rung in a Communist apparatus.
How can these freaks believe that's something to which anyone should aspire.
You got that dead on brother. Ordinary citizens have the capability to teach believe it or not. They can read a portion of any curriculum and pass it on to the students. All it takes is a desire to teach and do the right thing by way of preparing children to continue with their education. No it isn't easy and by todays standards perhaps even difficult but it can be fixed, must be fixed. Let us start by demanding that the proper things are taught.
To review: they want to control the children…and you to foot the bill.
And people are wondering why we're against unions?
Liberals rather see John Kerry drinking tea with Ho Chi Minh in North Vietnam, Jimmy Carter walking in the gardens of North Korea with Kim Jong-il, Sean Penn hugging Hugo Chavez, or half of the leftwing socialist in congress praising Fidel Castro on American soil and on Capitol Hill. They lost their allegiance for this country back in the 60s. They've never been God Fearing, Country loving people. They're all the enemy within our government.
"The administration of justice is the firmest pillar of government."George Washington
There are many Americans who would gladly teach but think that they do not have the credentials to do so. Let us revisit those credentials and see who is capable of teaching vice indoctrinating. Let us remove the communist agenda from the classrooms, the factory's, and the unions. Let us find in our brightest examples of American exceptionalism to provide what our children, and our future truly deserves.
Sounds good. let them collectivize their grades. See how they like these things put into action.
Collectivize the teacher salaries. Let's see how they like their words in action.
That's why it is ever more important to bring the school system back to the basics of learning and not to be so focused on teaching 'self-esteem' and Marxist ideology. As far as I can tell, public schools are like glorified daycare institutions where they want to indoctrinate children to accept mediocrity and complacency.
Most people that have awakened to what is happening in our country have also awakened to the idea that they need to further their education on the history of the Founding Fathers. This is and always will be the best place to start educating our children on why this country once was and will be great again. Anyone who complains that the Founding Fathers are from a different time clearly miss the point that they educated themselves how ever they could and applied real life practicality to their decision making.
One need look no further than the illiterate mindless trolls that defecate here……they are moronic biproducts of the union run state funded madrassas that now pass for public eduation these days….
Lenin said it best: "Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."
The NEA and local teacher unions have Marxist planks. Read the web page of the NEA for enlightenment. Recall the kids singing homages to Obama.
see, thats the double whammy. not only do we destroy the economy and self relience…but they fall behind the rest of the world in science and math, too…..so who the hell is going to have any skills to pay all the taxes required of the marxist government?
third world, here we come!
All this become easier to understand when you realize that Marxism is a religion, and nothing will stop these freaks from proselytizing our young people. They scored a major victory by taking God out of schools and replacing Him with their god.
Exposing children to the truth about Marxism and its evil is one answer; exposing them to the truth about Jesus, however, is the ultimate answer.
Off Topic heads up –
Holder just said, (watching on CSPAN) before the House Judiciary committee, that he "he wasn't sure he knew who Mr. Boyd was" when asked about Pigford 2 and "negotiations".
The problem for you baggers is you don't trust the power of your own ideas. So much so that you live in fear that a few hippie teachers somewhere are going to poison the minds of your little baglets.
For the most part, I think you are winning the thought control war, at least for now. High school textbooks in large southern states like Florida and Texas have completely expunged most non-white history. There is always some backlash when junior gets to college and realizes he's been lied to. But then, most baggers never go to college anyway, so it's a small price to pay. You have to figure you can't protect them all from enlightenment.
A good example of Liberals trying to brainwash young students. For the very purpose of supporting, THEM, in what they want, and we all know what they want. It always more money from the public. Problem is the Public is pulling back the checkbook, tell that to the kids.
So socialism is a good thing in your opinion?
These low IQ scum just need to be air dropped into Cuba or N.K. so as to be able to actually live their "dream".
On the other hand, she basically admits that there is very little one can do as a teacher because of all the rules that constrict them, so she says "its actually what I do outside of the classroom that's even more important."
One reason many teachers hate performance standards is that they force teachers to teach useful stuff, instead of pie-in-the-sky liberalism and Marxist ideology. And when children learn, they are more likely to get better jobs and be successful, which in turn makes them less likely as adults to support a system that punishes hard work and the creation of wealth.
It stands to reason that one way to fight Marxist teachers is to hold their feet to the fire and make them actually TEACH kids instead of proselytizing them.
Its you that does not trust the power of your own ability to manage your own life. They very fact proggies like you wish to abdicate your rights to a central planner means you have no faith in your self.
1. Why are you Hobbesian when Hobbesian is a fallacy and disproven?
2. Why do you need a planner to plan your life?
3. How does one plan society without imposing one view upon everyone else?
4. Why can't you accept the fact humans are basically good and do not require planning or management?
Also lay off the racist card. That's never going to work. We all know your little racist guilt trips are faked. BTW proggie history books published in NW and NE states are filled with removal of whites from history. So proggies play the same game of racism only they are racist towards whites. Your "us against whitey" tactic is old-n-busted.
Also you are sadly mistaken that socialism is a new idea. Its OLD. VERY OLD. There is nothing NEW about it nor progressivism. In fact name one thing "new" about progressivism. What is the actual progress.
You're not dealing with naive high school kids who I'm sure are easy targets for you. You're dealing with far older people who have lived through communism, lived through military action, lived more decades than you and have read. They have been in communist Russian, see China in action, seen N Korea destroy, see the EU countries topple from socialism as the run out of money. So spare everyone the "open minded" talk. Its YOU that refuses to read up on voluntarism, agorism, counter economics, deontological ethics, Lockean thinking. Its YOU that can't expand your mind, still thinking you need a mommy and daddy to take care of you.
Why does progressivism have to use force to accomplish its goals? Why can't it be voluntary?
Where are the administrators? Are they supporting this misuse of valuable educational time? The administrators need to be in the classrooms, ensuring that teachers are teaching the content delegated to them by those in authority. Perhaps they aren't even eaching at all, but simply letting children "discover" what is right and good. That is simply irresponsible.
From The National History Standards (World History, grades 5-12 and/or 7-12): http://www.nchs.ucla.edu/Standards/world-history-...
Explain leading ideas of liberalism, social reformism, conservatism, and socialism as competing ideologies in the early 20th-century world;
Explain Leninist political ideology and how the Bolsheviks adapted Marxist ideas to conditions peculiar to Russia.
Describe the rise of Joseph Stalin to power in the Soviet Union and analyze ways in which collectivization and the first Five-Year Plan disrupted and transformed Soviet society in the 1920s and 1930s.
Analyze how the Depression contributed to the growth of socialist and communist movements and how it affected capitalist economic theory and practice in leading industrial powers in Western countries.
Explain the ideologies of fascism and Nazism and analyze how fascist and authoritarian regimes seized power and gained mass support in Italy, Germany, Spain, and Japan.
Analyze ways in which secular ideologies such as nationalism, fascism, communism, and materialism challenged or were challenged by established religions and ethical systems.
NONE of those standards mention teaching children the need to "change the economic priorities of this system" or to "empower students" with stories of teachers who protest or strike when they don't get what they want.
These "educators" should be ashamed of their blatant disregard for the task given to them in good faith by the community that chose them as teachers.
Could you imagine having to sit across the table from that Marxist twit. I would disown that nitwit. This should not be of any surprise, as we push the country back to the right, academia must be dealt with.
Best way to deal with it is to get rid of the Fed gov't unconstitutional entanglement with it.
For all of your complaining about the political philosophy of Marxism, the left had the public and private sectors locked after the revision of the ALIMPC in 1955 and reclassification in 1973. Think clearly, you saw it happening, but for those us who actually challenged the orthodoxy, we were readily dismissed in workforce until 1998, when conservatives became a protected class. The left has had 43 years to encroach unabated into our institutions and legal system, it's now out in the open, ie. King & Spalding. Who in their right mind would seek representation from an organization consisting primarily of homosexual/bisexual attorneys that received a rating of 95 from the Human Rights Campaign to defend DOMA unless you were involved in collusive litigation to predetermine the outcome?
Here's the funniest thing, patriots: Useful idiots like this tapeworm never understand that they're almost always the first guests of the firing squads the moment their socialist totalitarian heroes seize control…
College? With ignorance like that busting out all over, you didn't even get out of eighth grade, did you?
The real question is will they go to college for four years incurring $40k in debt and then sign up to teach for low wages and no benefits? Some will but most won't.
Time to home school the little baggers.
Salad tosser!
Problem with bright teachers is they tend to think outside of the box. Baggers can't tolerate that. Better to blame all the bad parenting and limited funds on teachers unions then home school the baglets.
Little baggers? Hmmmm and what is the adjective for the progressive sheeple's children?
Little brain dead robots?
Wrong, as usual.
http://www.cps-humanresources.org/Careers/salary….
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/All_K-12_Teac...
Not bad for less than a year's work. For even more blatant exposure of the delusions you suffer, ask
http://intensedebate.com/people/FX3
Or, do they go to college for four years of communist indoctrination by the likes of Ayres or Churchill and at the taxpayers expense?
I know elitists have a hard time with this but a little factoid for you. Many people in society including those on the right have real educations. Crazy isn't it? Even more astonishing is the fact that they were not brainwashed by the sleazy communistas while undergoing their education.
A Tribute to Communism: A tribute to the glorious accomplishments of many decades of communist governments around the world. After so many attempts in history, it seems the ideology still has legions of fans and supporters. The notion behind this film was to quickly explain how and why communism works exactly as it does on the state and the people living there. Is this really what you want? Many have tried, and millions have died.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyUu-8nbd58
"The administration of justice is the firmest pillar of government."George Washington
That's what one would do if one actually teaches history and critical thinking. I do not think honors and AP classes are the problem.
Which is better to have common sense or a college education?
How many successful business people have done it with out a college education?
A great idea is powered by action, which is why the Democrats lost last November, and will lose again in 2012.
Each time our schools try and educate our children on relevant subjects like history, civics, sex, money or biology you baggers have a $hit fit and demand teachers be disciplined and administrators be fired. Mediocrity is the inevitable result of 30 years of right wing influence on our educational system.
And now you wonder why you have to home school the little baglets.
This is a no-brainer. There absolutely should be litmus tests for educators and strict requirements that prevent the public classroom from being politicized and turned into Marxist indoctrination centers. It's a disaster right now.
I recall one classroom singing some silly little rhyme to celebrate the election of the first black president and it being played a jillion time on the Limbaugh comedy hour. Hardly a Marxist plot.
Education obtained in college or the school of hard knocks is education. Education in the halls of a University or College by agenda driven communists is hardly anything but mind control. Critical and independent thinking can be fostered in any environment bar the communist camp.
To demonstrate their strong sense of duty to
their godthe state? Good point, though.Yeah, tell the little baglets about baby jesus and all will be healed.
And that's not even the stupidest thing you said. Marxism is an ideology, not a religion, and if you don't want the little baglets to find that out better keep them home from college. Because that is where they talk about ideas and ideas can be dangerous.
Ya' might wanna get a smaller drive sprocket for that FJR1300, stay in first gear, and be sure to wear a helmet like this outside-the-box-thinking dweeb:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/06/12/amd_...
I remember a term when I was going about some people being so smart that they were stupid, which means they lacked common sense.
Integrity, common sense and good judgment are commodities that are in short supply.
But you have heard me say that before. ; )
These people are so poorly spoken that is was difficult to follow their train of thought. Much of what they said was gibberish and nonsense, but you definitely got the sense that they feel the need to camoflage their goals and stay under the radar of parents and thinking students. The fact that educators cling to the mantras of dated and discredited 19th century Marxian Socialist thought is really quite disturbing. These types of people, as candidates for positions in public education, should be immediately disqualified. They do not posess a sound enough educational and civic foundation from which to teach children. What they do have is clearly flawed and dysfunctional.
They push a marxist agenda…and…under the guise of anti-bullying, they are actively promoting a homosexual agenda as well ! Keep your kids out of public schools!
This skid mark has been active today, I have ran into him half dozen times and when pressed to answer a question disappears like all the other little skid marks.
Touche'!
Socialism is irrelevant to a discussion about American society. We are a capitalist economy with a social infrastructure to smooth over the damage that capitalistic business cycles can inflict on human societies. We will never be a socialist economy where the means of production are controlled by the state. And we will never be a totally laissez faire economy where the state is powerless to influence business decisions. The legitimate political question is where to draw the line.
Don't kid yourself, there are still a lot of good teachers out there. Too bad they're over shadowed by these types of cretins.
Ooooh, starting right in with the ad hominem attacks.
Sure sign you ain't going nothing.
And by the way, ain't is in the dictionary.
Even apart from their obscene political agendas, these people are not very bright. I would be reluctant to hire them to prepare lattes and bagels.
Don't you remember that liberal students don't like to "collectivise" their grades: http://www.breitbart.tv/liberal-students-wont-app...
TYVM. I had two cups this morning.
That's why I'm glad I went into engineering. When you're cramming for calc finals the last thing you have time for is politics.
There's co-ed's, booze and books to hit!
(And I don't mean violence against co-eds, I mean hit on them.)
Turns out common sense ain't quite so common after all.
Of course you are correct in saying that Marxism is an ideology. I know from intimate first hand experience, however, that it is also a religion. There are other examples of belief systems that are both an ideology and a religion; e.g., the reason that infamous socialist Adolf Hitler admired Islam so much was its ideology.
And yes, by teaching children about Jesus, "all will be healed." You were entirely correct there.
If these people get their way, the joke will be on them. They think life sucks now, imagine waiting for days in line to not get a loaf of bread.
They will be blaming us for their bad ideas, and/or they needed more money.
"We will never be a socialist economy where the means of production are controlled by the state."
The govt is already controlling the means of production through the current tax codes. The more people are taxed the less they have to spend on luxury items, is this not controlling what is going to be produced? How many people right are hurting because of the economy being down? Why is it never mentioned that the govt should spend less money so that taxes on the people can be reduced? Why is it that our current govt thinks that the only way out of the recession is to spend more money that the people of this country do not have?
Regulations and taxes heavily influence what is produced in this country and what is produced abroad. Sound very much like socialist control of the economy to me.
I would gladly pay any wage and benefit to a good teacher, when I was in school I had three excellent teachers that knew how to get me to understand what was being taught. These teachers were hard on all the students but I will tell ever one right now that most of what they taught I still remember to this day.
You are 100% right about the good ones being over shadowed by these socialist/marxist/proggies.
Yeah. Talk to the kids in Europe about American "progressive enlightenment". Give it a few more years, especially in Greece and France. They'll likely kick your a**. There's a good reason people came to start America and left Europe and other statist-controlled countries of the world. Liberty, and freedom from the tyranny of statist power freaks are not just metaphysical topics. We are not going back there again. Free thinkers around the world are waking up to the fraud that is socialism.
"The problem for you baggers is you don't trust the power of your own ideas."
No, straw man, you missed the mark, since our own ideas do not extend to teaching children about the virtues of a religious ideology that resulted in the murder of about 100 million people in the 20th Century. Our ideas include teaching children truth, justice and the Christian Way. We like to teach children about evil, but only so that they can turn away from it.
No the problem is scum F'ing tea bag from kenya like you.
USA would be quite different if food stamp cheating, camel humping commies like you were gutted.
You have no brains to control any thought war, in fact cockroaches think and adapt better.
The real bag is the rag on your head and the sooner Ubama the gang banging drug pusher and his hooker ole lady is deported the sooner we rid the stench of free loaders like you.
Gotta laugh and puts it in a nutshell as the 1st week ubama was in office he fired the white crackers in NASA management and replaced them with those of "color"
Since then not one shuttle took off on first try or even the 4th try.
So bad the brainless in power had to cancel manned flights to the moon as they cannot figure out how to get out of low earth orbit.
Your correct no whites are allowed to get college funds as you sh*theads have sucked up all the money to blow up your noses.
I've spent plenty of time in college classrooms with "bright" ( i.e.laughable) teachers who "think outside the box" and you want you to be "open-minded"–Which the former is liberal code for socialism/marxism and the latter is actually the diammetrical opposite. Their idea of "open-minded" is thinking exactly like them. Now even younger and more impressionable children( though watching these college level libtards gulp it up I'm not really sure about the impressionable part) have to be exposed to that too? What does thinking outside the box have to do with politics? It's obvious what agenda is driving this school of "thought" (again laughable).
I disagree. I think liberals/progressives very much want to work within the capitalistic framework that has made this country great. Not all of us. You will always find leftwing nutjobs that didn't learn the lessons of the 20th century and think communal resources are a good thing. But pretty darn few.
Central planning is almost never a good thing in markets that respond well to market forces. Take the auto industry. We saw the government jump into save it and then get out just as quickly as possible. The reason is we don't want some government agency trying to guess what kinds of cars people will want to buy in five years. But we couldn't let the industry fail. It is vital to our economic and national security.
Some industries don't respond well at all to market forces. The best example is health care delivery. There was a political decision made during the Nixon Administration that future health care would be a for-profit endeavor and that by unleashing the market forces on the delivery system we can make it more efficient. The results speak for themselves. HC cost consistently rising at more than twice the rate of inflation to a point where we will soon pay almost 20 percent of GDP, almost twice what other developed countries pay for health care. Twenty percent goes right off the top for profits, and then we still have to pay management costs. Medicare looks like a bargain by comparison at 3 percent management cost.
I believe the reason health care delivery doesn't respond to market forces is because health care is a basic human need that people will pay anything to get. Unlike food production there is a limited number of suppliers who can basically charge whatever they choose for the service and we will pay it. No one is going to let a loved one suffer if there is any human way to prevent it.
You may be right about the expansion of my mind. I'm not willing to relive the lessons of the past 30 years. But I am a pragmatist and I love things and ideas that work. Almost as much as I detest old ideas that are proven failures. I think the mind can be poisoned by ideology to a point where a person cannot see past the limits of their world view. Hopefully we can use the political process to filter out the bad ideas and implement the good ones.
There were numerous examples available on the Glenn Beck Show, as well, filmed by parents outraged at the using of their children to celebrate Obama. You can check them out on YouTube or his archives. There are currently videos available showing our kids being used to demonize big business and promote the so-called "Green" agenda. You have to be willing to learn to accept the truth. No matter what, kids should not be used for political purposes. But this is a favorite ploy of the Left. Recall the recent marches by kids in Madison in support of unions and attacking Scott Walker. Some of the placards being held by little children were appalling. Walker as Hitler? Please.
True dat. If tyranny ever breaks out in this country our new masters will kill me first. Because I can't be bought and I won't be silent.
I've had three outstanding history teachers who were so passionate about the subject, they infected me to this day with it. I had an algebra teacher who taught me how to look at math as a word game. Plug and chug. I had a photography teacher who helped me understand the importance of visual arts. They may be unsung heroes, but heroes none the less. If it weren't for them, and those like them, I'd be flipping burgers or scrapping metal instead of an internet security officer. They have my gratitude, my thanks, and my respect.
"A survey from late last year commissioned by the Bill of Rights Institute revealed that nearly half of U.S. adults thought a popular Marx saying —”from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” — originated from one of the founding documents."
EW. EW. EWWWWWWW.
I wanna hurl.
Well, you're on a roll for making stupid statements.
A few hippie teachers? How about tenured college professors?
Expunging non-white history? Not even worth commenting on.
Junior not knowing non-white history in a public school. Laughable.
Not going to college? Guess again. We just didn't go to the same colleges run by tenured idiots that you did…and we are thankful for that. Trust me.
Enlightenment.? That's the stupidest thing I have read all day. Thanks for making me think less of my country for harboring such wonderments of small thinking.
Totally off subject but your picture made my day.
Actually, I don't agree with you. First of all, the Marxists are already trying to do that at schools of education all around the country. It's called "dispositions theory", and it's applied by students making a statement of their philosophy of education. If it isn't marxist enough, the student does not graduate. (See http://www.thefire.org for more on this form of thought control.) This should be eliminated immediately–and NOT replaced by any OTHER kind of "philosophical litmus test."
That said, the way we keep indoctrination out of public schools is by recording what goes on in the classroom–and holding teachers accountable.
Lighten up, Frances.
Democrats didn't lose a battle of ideas last year. They were victims of the economy. Americans are impatient and Dems were in charge. It was inevitable.
2012 is going to be a different deal. If I had to guess I'd say Reps will keep the House but lose some seats. And they will win the senate by a very thin majority. Dems will win the presidency by a comfortable margin, but one that is smaller than 2008. In the end our government will remain divided.
Whoever wins should not get too comfortable.
"nearly half of U.S. adults thought a popular Marx saying —”from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” — originated from one of the founding documents."
The ignorance is damning.
That's what you do with youngsters… you brainwash them. Ever tried reasoning with one?
Typical. So typical.
Well, it's kind of like all those surveys that show most Americans can't find the US on a map of North America, with the words "United States of America" emblazoned from California to Maine. I've been hearing about these atrocities since I was a kid in the 70's, and it seems to me that the country is still here . . .
"Their efforts are paying off and they’re moving America’s culture leftward."
They've been doing it FOR 60 YEARS!
Read W.F. Buckley's "God and Man at Yale," Mr. Olson.
Buckley was waving his arms, shouting the warning, and raising the red flag way back in 1951.
It all goes to prove that philosophy matters: religious; political; economic. And what one generation allows in moderation, the next generation will embrace to excess.
The worst part? Our tax dollars are subsidizing this tenured sedition and intellectual fascism.
Not the people I know. A lot of them think it is a Christian principle.
FJR1300a is the finished product of liberal "enlightened" Progressive garbage. It never says anything intelligent, just "baggers blah blah blah baggers blah blah blah blah baggers…..ect…ect…ect…yawn. FJR, you're so last decade.
But reading the tripe he spews all over this page made me remember the best retort to useful idiots like FRJ who think that Marxism, Socialism, Communism, do not work. This is from Milton Friedman & Phil Donahue in 1979. Watch Friedman destroy the idea that Socialism can never work. The expression on Donahue's face is priceless:
" Donahue: When you see around the globe the mal-distribution of wealth, the desperate plight of millions of people in underdeveloped countries, when you see so few haves and so many have-nots, when you see the greed and the concentration of power, did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed’s a good idea to run on?
Friedman: Well, first of all, tell me is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? What is greed? Of course none of us are greedy; its only the other fellow who’s greedy.
The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear: that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system.
Donahue: But it seems to reward not virtue as much as ability to manipulate the system.
Friedman: And what does reward virtue? You think the communist commissar rewards virtue? You think a Hitler rewards virtue? You think – excuse me, if you will pardon me – do you think American presidents reward virtue? Do they choose their appointees on the basis of the virtue of the people appointed or on the basis of their political clout? Is it really true that political self interest is nobler somehow than economic self interest? You know I think you are taking a lot of things for granted. Just tell me where in the world you find these angels who are going to organize society for us? Well, I don’t even trust you to do that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjH4QBSwWlg&NR...
You have a serious problem with basic understanding of the situation at hand. Its not about the relevant subjects, but why teach our students the same classes as others from communist countries and rely on the state and not themselves.
Besides, its one thing to learn and understand Marxism, but its another thing to teach it as how things should be. I know you have read about Marxism, but I understand Marxism. And that alone is the difference between our education.
The problem with over-analyzing, tall talking nitwits like FJR1300a is they cannot fathom the root cause of objection to this marxist propaganda in the classroom: Our tax dollars are subsidizing this tenured sedition and intellectual fascism.
But over-analyzing, tall talking nitwits like FJR1300a trot out the ol' entitlement canard that this money 'belongs' to gub'mint schools, and one is anti-education if you object to whatever direction or outcome is produced by gub'mint schools.
Yet the the market place of ideas has no room for a suicide pact financed by tax payers.
Let the marxist tools put up their own money for their own school to teach this self-destructive drivel.
This is the U.S. of A. They have that liberty.
Some classic Milton Freidman quotes, lol
“The most important single central fact about a free market is that no exchange takes place unless both parties benefit.”
“Nobody spends somebody else’s money as carefully as he spends his own. Nobody uses somebody else’s resources as carefully as he uses his own. So if you want efficiency and effectiveness, if you want knowledge to be properly utilized, you have to do it through the means of private property.”
“Governments never learn. Only people learn.”
“So the question is, do corporate executives, provided they stay within the law, have responsibilities in their business activities other than to make as much money for their stockholders as possible? And my answer to that is, no they do not”
“The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that’s why it’s so essential to preserving individual freedom.”
“Most economic fallacies derive – from the tendency to assume that there is a fixed pie, that one party can gain only at the expense of another.”
“Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.”
“What kind of society isn’t structured on greed? The problem of social organization is how to set up an arrangement under which greed will do the least harm; capitalism is that kind of a system”
“History suggests that capitalism is a necessary condition for political freedom. Clearly it is not a sufficient condition.”
“The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither. The society that puts freedom before equality will end up with a great measure of both.”
How could we brainwash them, when they are in liberal controlled public schools. In order to end the problem with public schools is simple. First, drop the Dept of Ed, then drop the teachers unions. After that, have schools become local only, and have parents have larger influence in the schools rather than politicians or unions. Those changes alone would solve alot of the current problems our crappy public schools have.
I am guessing you are a brainwashed youngster, as you are practically impossible to reason with.
If you had been paying attention to what was happening in the social sciences and the legal system, he raised questions after Kinsey's books in 1947 and 1952, prior to the revision of the ALIMPC in 1955. Reagan's greatest error was letting them into the public schools system under his tenure in California.
Sorry but its the gov interference that causes the destruction in the market place NOT free market that causes the damage. This is evident by the fact that we have had LESS of these crashes as we go back in time and gov has had less power.
The gov is not sheep dogs keeping the sheep safe, it is wolves preying on the sheep. In every market crash situation it can be traced back to regulatory policies put into place by gov which usually did so to benefit a small, special interest of cronie capitalists.
Take the bail outs for example. Instead of letting Gm fail as it should, the gov now props up a company that is inefficient thereby creating a balloon in the market. Sooner or later GM will collapse but now that collapse will be far more massive.
Yes crashes occur in market. Nobody says they don't. But gov interferences turns a slight water spill into a massive Katrina style flood.
Also yes we are socialist since the definition you are using is more of a fascist economic definition. For example Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, France, Greece are all considered socialist countries yet they do not control 100% of their industry by making their industry all state run. That is NOT the definition of socialism. Socialism is a society with a central planning system.
Also "control" does not have to mean having gov workers as the only workers in a company. If the state can pull the plug on a company at any time, can dictate its business practices, can control its income thru taxes and intensives then the gov is pretty much in control.
No, sorry, the TRUTH is that I would have received a lower grade BECAUSE the "professors" can not see the fault in their thinking!!!! It is hysterical to see you try and use a "strawman" to dispute my supposed "strawman"!! Are you saying that MANY did not end up in a mass grave from these murderous psychopaths?? Are you trying to dispute my claims with facts showing, what I say is incorrect??? Or are you disagreeing with my conclusion?? PLEASE put up facts to dispute my assertion that MILLIONS ended up in mass graves because they did NOT submit to the "ruler".
Go ahead. Tell me EXACTLY where I said a LIE. I'm waiting!!
Nice try……next!!!! Go ahead use some more big words to distract from the evidence that you have no facts to dispute what I have said!!
And this is why America is finished and won't be saved. Buy guns and ammo.
Go ahead, I plan on training my children to go to war with your children in this country when the time comes. Your little indoctrinated commie kids won't stand a chance, and they will not be given the option of surrender either.
True, and one could argue that it, standing alone, it is a reference to Christian teachings on charity. Except that Marxism relies on the violent force of the state to forcibly redistribute from each/to each, and that this redistribution ultimately has nothing to do with "needs." Governments are incapable of charity, because charity can only be voluntary, not coerced.
Health care responds fine to market forces. I don't see where you get the idea it doesn't. Its obvious from history health care has sky rocketed with more gov intervention, not decreased. We had insurance and pay as you go in the 1950s and didn't have massive health care costs. No dying people in the streets. You merely walk in and pay to have a broken arm set or stitches. We have some doctors in the US today who do medicine this way, no insurance and no gov aid and even in the poorest neighborhoods they are able to deliver medicine more efficiently than gov distribution.
If there is a service to be provided then the most efficient means to provide it while supporting liberty is free market. The Nixon system did not work due to cronie capitalism. It simply was not a free market endeavor, only window dressing and lip service. And if you look at health care costs they have skyrocketed even more under massive gov control. Medicaide and medicare have doubled in size since Clinton. All Nixon did was set up a series of cronie corps to have a monopoly in the market place.
As for health care cost, that 20% isn't necessarily a bad thing IF people are merely using more of the services. For example Canada spends 10% of GDP on health care… because that is what they cap it at… period. It is NOT driven by market forces, its driven by what the gov says it will pay. So you get X amount of health care PERIOD. With the US system, people buy more health care BECAUSE THEY CAN. A good deal of health care is because people voluntarily purchase it. That is NOT a bad thing in itself it just means Americans are free to purchase more health care.
Health care delivery responds fine to market forces. For example, food is a basic human need yet we don't have gov run grocery stores. How come we can buy fairly cheap groceries and as much as we can afford if a basic human need does not respond well to market forces. And WHY is there a limited number of suppliers of health care? Why can't anyone open a hospital or provide medication or make pills? Why? Because of government. Government creates a restricted monopoly. There is no reason we cannot have as many health providers as there are food producers. But you look at food production and (at least for now) pretty much anyone can provide food without having an 8 year degree to do so. Why can't we have 1000s of little clinics (LIKE WE USED TO!) all over that provide 85% of the procedures and each one a small business competing to help people… LIKE GROCERY STORES DO. See, you see grocery stores and instead of trying to elevate health care BACK UP TO that level of freedom and success you keep justifying old-n-busted ideas about health care.
Its real simple. As time has progressed FORWARD our health care system has GOTTEN WORSE, GOTTEN LESS FREE MARKET and become MORE CENTRALLY PLANNED. That is an absolute fact.
Take a look at education for that same monopoly. Restricted, limited, controlled, heavily regulated… and the result is a crappy education system ranked 27th in the world but the most expensive in the world.
ALL MARKET FORCES ARE HUMAN NEEDS. In fact that is exactly the driver behind free market. Humans purchase based on need, not on plan, design or the will of a special interest. There is no central plan for people since the only needs of people are needs they desire for themselves. As John Stuart Mill said: How do you plan society without imposing one view upon everyone else?
I also do not want people to relive the bad ideas of the last 100s or so years. You talk about "works". Well what does that mean? Everyone fed? Clothed? Housed? Free health care? Free education? All wealth evenly distributed?… Do you know there is a place that does all that? Its called PRISON. If all you wish to do is do this then you would have to destroy liberty and the pursuit of happiness to accomplish this.
Its been a loss of economy for decades. Both parties have been taking us down the road to Greece for decades only democrats do it faster than republicans.
How is it you fail to see that the market has gotten WORSE as we have gotten larger government, more rules and more regulations, more creation of monopolies through gov cronyism and more regulation of peoples' private lives.
We get MORE of these bubbles bursts, not less. If gov spending works then how come Bush's 4 tril of spending did not create utopia nor prevent the crash? How come the banking institution, which is the most heavily regulated industry in the world and more regulated now than 40 years ago CRASHED?
You seem to think you are guiding a river for the betterment of everyone but, in fact you create dams that fill and burst causing more flooding and destruction and simply leaving the river alone.
People are not sheep needing sheep dogs to :guide" them in the right direction (who's direction BTW?) ESPECIALLY when those sheep dogs turn out to be WOLVES.
It does matter who wins. In fact I'm tempted to keep the democrats in so when the titanic hits the iceberg they can't crawl back into their coffin and play good cop bad cop with the republicans like both parties do. The sad fact is 2012 or 2016 will be the last elections of a US president.
Go f#ck yourself eddie
What little head cases your kids are going to be. Send em to law school. If you are going to ensure they are miserable for the rest of their lives they should at least be well paid.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a commie. Some of us are your neighbors with a different slant on politics. Between black and white is a lot of gray.
If you believe that you are an idiot. No one wants to control your children… that's all been conjured up in your weak bagger mind and enforced by these prricks.
It's sad and it's why you can't be reasoned with…
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