Frances Fox Piven: Glenn Beck Seeks ‘Foreign, Dark-Skinned, Intellectual’ Scapegoats
by Kyle OlsonThroughout much of 2009, Glenn Beck extensively covered the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” that was first brought into the public domain in a May 1966 article in The Nation magazine. In the article, Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, two Columbia professors, developed a strategy by which the welfare system could be overwhelmed with demand, broken, and replaced with a “guaranteed annual income.”
Beck has successfully made the argument that the Cloward-Piven Strategy was a blueprint for success at overwhelming that system. Don’t think it worked? Ask the leaders of New York City. The strategy worked so well, the mass rush for welfare benefits bankrupted the city in the 1970s.
So as Beck has brought new light to this strategy, no one has asked Frances Fox Piven’s opinion. Until now.
Piven dismisses Beck’s opinion as “silly.” But she also went a step farther.
“So, it’s an old technique of right-wing ideologues – finding a scapegoat, somebody preferably who is not a farmer, right, an intellectual, and attributing things that go wrong in American society to somebody who’s foreign or dark skinned or an intellectual.”
Actually, that’s what’s silly. So anyone that’s “foreign or dark skinned or an intellectual” can’t be to blame? That’s convenient insulation but not very believable.
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The best thing about liberals is that they prove your point for you while thinking they are being clever.
Intellectuals are over-rated.
If only more Americans would look beyond the propped up figures the media tries to sell us.
These people hate America.
Is Ms. Fox-Piven insinuating that Obama is both dark skinned AND foreign? lol.
All joking aside..we must be vigilant and protect as much of our Freedom and the ideal of America as we can until we can get a real POTUS in 2012. You betcha.
That was almost painful to watch. Did she even make a coherent point? An article in a little paper, is she high? What a compelling rebuttal, not!
You are so right!!! I love it when I see other people post what I think!!
Too bad they're not actually intellectual.
"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolfves." Edward R. Murrow
"How lucky it is for rulers that men cannot think." Adoph Hitler
Hey Piven .. please come to my home town and see what a dark skinned man did to a once great city !!!!
Talk about a man who hates the white race ……or blame whitey when he was in charge for 20yrs !!!!
http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story/...
Did she say Obama was foreign, dark skinned, and an intellect. Foreign, hmmmm, foreign, what does she know about Obama? Very interesting that she used the words foreign here.
Wow! what dark,empty souless eyes that demon has.
So her argument is:
1) It was published 44 years ago.
2) In a "low circulation" magazine
3) Beck hates intellectuals, blacks & foreigners
4) Its "silly"
No specifics; no facts. Just: "Gee, you mean little ol' me writing an insignificant paper years ago has had any impact on politics? That's just silly!" Hmmm- now that's intellectual!
Talk about making your own rope.
…she said, while waiting for her Social Security check.
Is she also saying that farmers are not intellectual? There are a lot of highly educated farmers in the world that would love to hear and argue her points.
Once again, the left way of dealing with the truth is to dismiss the story or the messenger as being radical or not intelligent to know what they're talking about.
Typical!
I hope Glenn smacks her a new one today on his show !!!!!
Frances Fox Piven is a primary example of why LSD has been illegal since the late 60's. Her obvious psychosis and twitching lends me to believe that this woman could seriously use a mental evaluation. Perhaps we should instruct her to begin her "end of life" care…?
To embellish a quote from Rahm Emanuel speaking about his own party…"She's Fu@#ing Retarded…!"
“foreign or dark skinned or an intellectual”
I wonder who she's talking about? And what does she know that we don't know?
Liberals can be the most ignorant and condescending people on the planet. She looked as bad as her explanation was.
Funny how the freaking left goes off on gleen but has no FACTS to back up thier rants !!! All they have to do is prove Glenn wrong !!! They can't!!!!
so cry and whine and blame whitey !!!
The last line provided by your self . "That’s convenient insulation but not very believable."
This shows that you and other like minded folk are going to ignore and not consider the depth of meaning in her words.
This isn't unusual or even stupid to discount the wisdom of your political enemies. "Belief" often trumps "knowledge" in political games. People don't really care to be told or be reminded that they are making bad decisions. They want to hear that they are good and smart and loyal red white and blue patriotic Americans. The customer or voter is always right even when they are wrong. In the end the voters will vote you out and shout down the political opposition.
Ironically they often eventually adopt the polices to which they expressed opposition but by golly they "ain't" gonna vote for the person who suggested it to them.
Intellectual Morons of the World Unite!
Sorry, but the old saw that intellectuals are persons who teach liberal arts or know how to spout that garbage fell apart around the time that Wang was going to conquer the computer world.
If anything good comes of our economic crisis I'm hoping it's this: that we discover that we can't afford to pay for people to get vanity liberal arts degrees anymore. Under this particular solution, any person who wishes to get a degree in condescension towards his fellow man may pay for that degree himself. Any and all federal dollars that may have gone to degrees like that can then be applied to to degrees useful to society like medicine or engineering.
Oy! What's this woman got against farmers? We are the ones who freed this land to begin with. If there's anyone who still embodies the cowboy spirit it's the farmers and ranchers of this country.
Plus, she says that the right looks for someone who isn't an "intellectual" to attack by picking a scapegoat who's preferably an "intellectual". Let me just say: Huh?
Yeah, to bad the Thorazine has worn off eh?
They say if you can remember the 60's you weren't there. Well, I'm 60 now, and a veteran of the Vietnam war. I was there with bells on. I can remember the 60's just fine. I remember the 1968 Columbia University protests. I remember SDS (students for a democratic society). I can assure you those students were not satisfied living in a Republic. They wanted democratic rule and nothing more (but perhaps less: such as anarchy). They sure did not want to live within the confines of the law. I can remember SDS leader Mark Rudd encouraging lawlessness and making demands during illegal occupations of campus offices. I remember the anarchy. This is the environment these so-called "intellectuals" surrounded themselves with, and they loved every minute of it. I think "intellectual" is far to kind and grandiose a term to apply here. Personally, I would prefer terms like, hypocrite, arrogant, elitist, un-American, conceited, snob, pompous, shallow, and a long list of other less flattering, self-congratulatory descriptive adjectives.
Man. You nailed that one. What a great synopsis! Is it just me, or did she look really uncomfortable having the light shined on her? It's not like she didn't have time to prepare for the interview.
ROFL! Good one!
FFP is the ultimate disinformation recycler. Ms. Piven, and her pal, Cloward, have been packaging,re-packaging and dispensing this crap for years. What a piece of , ummmm………. work!
the left hates farmers. they are always second or third on the list to go agenst the wall. Che killed hundreds of farmers resisting collectivisation, Stalin millions. as soon as mao came to power he killed a million landowners and then collectivised the land. the most recent case is zimbabwe, the modern agricultural sector was looted by the left wing government. or van-jones railed against or "wrong agricultural system"….just imagin what that moron would do.
farmers have property, are independant and thuse hated by the left.
Well, at least she has her Alinsky down pat: Isolate your target, ridicule, destroy. In typical Progressive fashion, she is ascribing to her opponent the very thing she herself is doing.
While Beck says unflattering things about her, his comments are almost entirely directed at her belief system and ideals.
These people are so full of themselves, they have lost any connection to reality. They really believe the stuff they're saying, believing it to be profound and wrapping it up in an 'everybody knows this is true' attitude. They see the gathering pitchforks coming over the horizon and haven't the slightest clue as to what it means.
For all you non-foreign, non-dark-skinned, non-intellectuals, it's real easy to decode Ms Piven's remarks, George did it.
I had to look up her strategy and wasn't aware of Becks covering it. But I immediately had one very strong impression when I watched this. To heck with her rambling and incoherent babbling- her body language screams deception. When initially asked directly if its true she not only diverts her eyes but dips her head in some sort of a classic avoidance gesture. She just doesn't appear comfortable with denying the accusation, and continues to dip and roll throughout her answer as she cites one illogical reason and strawman after another to try and support it. My guess is that she is secretly very pleased that her theory has been recognized and she has probably avidly followed the success of her strategies many times over the years in different locations around the country with pride. The question that WE should have is whether you can continue to fool populations with your lies when they are now aware of your strategy.
Robert slow a bit, in the depth of meaning department. She states it was an observation of what was going on at the time and a plan. Then she mocks the right for believing the plan she created based on the landscape of the day worked. So either she was intellectual dishonest at the time stating it was not a plan but merely an observation (analysis rather then a theoretical paper), or she is lying now, and it never was a plan just a coincidence that she would like to take credit for while simultaneously denying her role. Intellectually dishonest and schizophrenic in reasoning. Now troll along.
Oh, and one other thing that I forgot to add was that "face touching" is used by loss prevention people to indicate deception.
i dunno- Jimmah Carter was a farmer and he's been a pretty easy target for going on 30 yrs. on the other hand, it did take a dark-skinned, foreign intellectual to unseat him as all-time worst POTUS…
"ignorant and condescending", and virtually by definition, wholly bereft of self-awareness…
She fancies herself an "intellectual" (peals of laughter!)
As per usual, the simplest way to defeat these arguments is to ask "What did you hear him say that proves this assertion?" They then fail for 2 reasons:
1) they haven't listened to the person they are defaming
2) the defamed person never said anything that proves their point
Great idea with the Title X strategy, Mjolnir. The only problem I could see is that if there were a "Men's Studies" department in 99% of universities, it would teach the same thing as it's counterpart, that is, that men all suck and women are all their victims, and that the only solution is Marxism.
You know, like every other class with the word "studies" in the course title. They all have the same finish line.
These people are bent on destroying our economy and bring forth a socialist utopian government that will enslave us all. This woman believes the end justifies the means and if people don't wake up, we will be devoured by these freedom haters. Pivan is the product of the 60's…she never got over the fact that people of this country reject left or right wing kooks…she is singing to an empty house…She reminds me of the auditions on American Idol when these contestants think they are fantastic and they can sing, and when they audition and open up their mouths to sing, everyone cringes…She makes me cringe.
We have a foreign, dark skinned, "intellectual" in the White House. How's that working out?
from Sheriff Bart's Radical Rules For Conservatives, rule number 6:
6) Remember this when liberals talk about hate speech from the ‘right’ in their attempt to rewrite history: A Democrat in a white hood and robe was hate before being a Democrat was kewl. A brown-shirting Socialist wearing a swastika was hate before being a Democrat was kewl. Communist revolutionaries in military garb preventing free speech, public gatherings, free markets, open societies and individual liberty was hate before being a Democrat was kewl. The historical failings – and resultant government control – of its citizens of Socialized Medicine is still hate, before being a Democrat was kewl. Don’t allow Democrats to rewrite history. Recognize that they don’t know, or refuse to accept, historical facts other than what they read in elementary and secondary schoolbooks and liberal blogs where history is currently being rewritten. A certain talk radio Hall-of-Famer named Neal Boortz sums it up best: “We've now come to the point where liberals throw around the "hate" word with about the same frequency as they toss in the "racist" word in a conversation. But let's face it .. when these leftists try to engage their philosophical opponents on the issues or in the arena of ideas; they lose. So they're just doing what they have to do.”
Doesn't deny writing it, believing it, participating in it, and trying to make it happen… just projects onto others. Body language also tells me she is a liar and fraud.
Thing about "intellectuals" that I'll never understand is that socialism is so fundamentally flawed how can they believe in Utopianism mysticism and seriously still consider themselves intellectuals?
When the Stalin and Hitler types take over, it's always the useful idiot "intellectuals" that are the first to go !
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It is pretty cute that, a few syllables after she denies that it was a plan, she says that it was one — but that it took current trends into account.
Oh. That clears it up.
"oh look, dear! those nice humble peasants are coming to harvest my organic arugula crop to show their gratitude for all we've done for them! let's make them a nice big pitcher of wheat grass kool-aid…"
I've noticed that nobody on this thread, thus far, has wished any ill to befall Ms. Piven.
That's worth noting, given all that this crowd knows about the woman, and what her ideas have wrought.
With this observation one can witness firsthand the STARK difference between the left and the right.
And I don't wish ill upon her. I wish, like I do for everyone, that she'd be woken up by the evil that she helped to cause, that she'd have a Road to Damascus moment , repenyt, make amends, and decide to use her inside knowledge of the beast she formerly served in order to bring about it's defeat. That would be my wish for Ms. Piven.
Now, if someone like an Olbermann lauded that little article in that little magazine published a long time ago as having helped create ACORN and Obama (et. al.), then she would be all over it, patting herself on the back. But, now that she's called out on it, she tries to dismiss the article and publication as unimportant.
i like it! you want a touchy-feely degree? fine, but get it on your own damn nickel. but it does raise the question of what useful purpose can these idiots actually fulfill in society…
Her Road to Damascus moment may come yet, and that of many other Progressives, and at great price.
When the daily reek of the smoke of burning humans becomes unbearable, many will break down and cry, "what have we done?", just as, undoubtedly, many German, Polish, and Chinese individuals must have done, faced with the inevitable end result of their philosophy and action.
Sorry to have to say that.
Welfare would not be as big a problem if they would simply drug test recipients regularly. The problem is the democrats don't want to inconvenience their constituents any more than they have to. Hell, most of them don't even want to get off the sofa long enough to go and vote so they have ACORN beating the streets handing out absentee ballots.
Like a whore in church I would say!?
Show me a sucessful farmer and I'll show you someone with a PhD in living.
Interesting body language at the start and from 1:30 to the end. Seem a little nervous and uncomfortable to you too? She is trying to stick to her script, but she is well aware of the validity of Beck's point. Cloward-Piven wasn't new per se, it was simply a call to dump gasoline on the fire of the welfare state.
Intellectual has come to be a pejorative term. They are "learned" people but don't really know anything. One of my friends likes to say he is "not college uneducated". I heard a marine on the radio say he had a PhD – Plain high school diploma. Still another reason to judge everyone on individual merit…
She was trying so hard to not say what she was saying that I think I heard her say what she was trying not to say! I want to know if she still believes that the way to take America to a socialist/communist state is to overload the system, other wise the American people will revolt? I do not care who accused her of printing the idea, but why is she still a guest at White House bill signings?
Glen has taken the colored glasses off America and they are seeing these progressives for what they are, a danger to America as we know her
I would say she is talking about our socialist president, wouldn't you??
Two words: "Body language."
I'm a right-winger, I suppose, and I've never done any of that. You fail Mrs Cloward-Piven.
Isn't it funny how the idealogues keep telling us what we think. They are all control freaks. Control the message; control the crisis; control the behavior–control, control, control.
Just another mindless liberal twit!! Funny how they go around acting like they care for the less fortunate. When they are the ones who are rich and fly around on private jets spewing there lies and hate while making money off of it. FU***** HYPOCRITES!!
Agreed.
What the progressive haven't been able to figure out this last year is the fact that the farmers, dark skinned, non elite regular joes can in fact read, write and think. We have ignored them so long they don't know how to handle the giant since he is no longer asleep.
The only problem now is that the SDS types are the Federal Government now, Cabinet advisors, czars and professors at universities, Billy Ayers comes to mind.
I was growing up in that era and you are 100% correct.
The most surprising part of this interview is that she actually watches Glenn Beck.
No facts? No argument? That's easy!!! Go with the "dark skin" and throw in a little " foreigner" into the mix and viola!
"Nothing is more suitable to that philosophy, than a modest skepticism to a certain degree, and a fair confession of ignorance that exceeds all human capacity" – Liberals think that if they can invent the perfect law to moderate the passions of man and provide the needs of man and thus the spirit of man will be mollified. Not true and not possible without mass death and mass fear. It's not difficult to be an intellectual you always come to the same conclusion that liberalism is wrong.
It's an "old technique" for these nattering nabob liberals to immediately cry racism and any other name they can come up with, with ZERO substance to their argument. If the article was such a non-event, why even publish it. The whole premise behind this theory is evil and elitist. And since we're on the name calling train….what's with the huge waving lizard hands?
Don't forget her huge pension, subsidized by government, from a job she could never be fired or laid off from.
Honestly, I just feel sorry for her. She is lost if she honestly believes what she is saying.
Thats rather arbitrary. You could argue the complete reverse and it wouldn't be any more true.
So, even while evaisvely downplaying the article, she acknowledges a plan. Sounds pretty innocuous if the viewer isn't aware "the plan" was to overload and crash the system in order to remake society to her leftist likings.
It's telling the heroes of the left won't stand up for ther real views in the light of day. Same goes for BHO.
Boy, that’s a relief! I’m sure glad she straightened that out…we’re racist…got it.
I'm in agreement with you Taq – good post.
From Sheriff Bart's Radical Rules For Conservatives, rule number 7:
7) Mock the trolls. Never engage them in logical debate, for they know not what they know not. In fact (since there will be none of those from their side) have a little fun with them! Most of the time they'll never know the difference! Invite them to return and post more of their thoughts, but never in a serious or degrading manner. NEVER tell them to go away,and never wish ill will toward them. Invite them out for a clam dinner. In the same breath remind them that they validate us and make us stronger.
Ruebecca I think The most recent case would be Chavez, as of last year he stole over 48.000 acres of farm land from 31 owners and gave it to the People.. Soon the People will starve as had happened in the past..
Here is a dark skinned intellectual…
Dr. Thomas Sowell on Intellectuals
http://usataxpayer.org/?0028068146
ACORN Eligible for $3.99 Billion in Obama Budget!
http://usataxpayer.org/?0086450530
yep, Dems are so cool, (and devious) FDR: "The New Deal", LBJ "The Great Society", BHO "Hope and Change: Green Socialism" [GE/Soros flunkie], all for more big government, loss of freedom and liberty, death to individualism.
…just like Democrat was initially a pejorative term. It was used to ridicule those that fought for more Federal power over the states. I do take one small exception, in that they are learned people, but that they absolutely DO know things, and those things are the things that we must be vigilant in exposing. What they are is the proverbial 'book smarts' versus the proverbial 'street smarts.'
I think she needs another hit of coke!! She just proved two points:
#1…that she watches Glenn Beck!!
#2…She is a complete and total idiot!!.
Does anyone really think that the words coming out of this trolls mouth are intellectual???
Personally, I have more of a problem with "intellectual elitists" than I do with plain ole "intellectuals." She seemed to have usurped that term. It's a backhanded remark: right-wingers can't be intellectuals. She's full of it…
The point is …………..she is dangerous and the progressive movement is bankrupting America as we speak!
Look everyone, I can argue like a liberal! Watch this (clears throat):
RACIST!
Cool, huh?
Hey w3cp: Thank you for serving our country.
I was a middle school kid in the mid-late 60s and I used to breakdown & cry at the way you guys were talked about and treated. I was confused about why the "Hippies" were treating our soldiers that way.
Hippies spat on you in airports, yet they all cried "Bring our boys home!"
You are all heroes.
Just a little ole paper published 44 years ago and this paper indoctrinated all those minds searching for an education for the past 44 years. Thats why this war will be hard to win. It was from within and we never saw it coming.
I would like to redefine the word "intellectual", as a pompous, book smart, complaintive, spoiled, and thoroughly immature individual who simultaneously sits on their arse, while talking out of it.
your post brings up my reason for coming up with a list, the last line of rule 7 being applicable…
from Sheriff Bart's Radical Rules For Conservatives, rule number 7:
7) Mock the trolls. Never engage them in logical debate, for they know not what they know not. In fact (since there will be none of those from their side) have a little fun with them! Most of the time they'll never know the difference! Invite them to return and post more of their thoughts, but never in a serious nor degrading manner. NEVER tell them to go away, and never wish ill will toward them. Invite them out for a clam dinner. In the same breath remind them that they validate us and make us stronger.
I couldn't get the video to work and that's a shame. I love those Mr Bean movies. Love the redheaded skunk wig.
Bet it was a riot.
We remember Hanoi Jane from the 60s – the same denials for her actions – the same deception.
Actually, Beck did not come up with this. Mark Levin, the Great One did – Beck's people listen to him every day and steal his ideas without giving a hat-tip or credit, flowers or anything.
Are those real quotes by public officials? Sweet Lord, they can't even speak correct English. How is it that anyone voted them into power?
Hey, The Clinton administration even had them come to the White House until Ole' bill had to move to the center to get anything done.
Indeed. All three descriptive elements appear to be accurate.
If she seriously thinks that is what Glenn Beck is saying, or has ever said… boy she really should listen again (if she ever even listened at all – because it sure doesn't sound like she has).
To me it looks like she's having an "Oh sh!t!" moment…like, "what have I done? They're on to me now!"
She's backpedaling and downplaying the importance of her "plan."
But anyone who can READ knows what happened just 4 years later in NY (1970) – the welfare ranks had quadrupled, and the state fell face-first into bankruptcy.
I am LMAO!!
Yes MiPain, exactly like we see happening with the Global Warming Climate Change Soon To Be Global Cooling Again Scam we are currently facing.
beautiful!
Hey piven have you been to Philadelphia!!! This goon must be a contributor for the left wing media. She is so full of shit. ALL the government handouts are putting us in debt, look at Medicare, Social Security, (that is right, people get more in social security than they pay in to it.) Remember when Bush wanted to privatized it, he wanted to give back what you paid in to it so at least you got what you paid in to it. This would of ended it,I was all for it because Bush new the Government was spending it up. It got shot down and now the Government has to borrow the money to pay it out. Why do you think they want to put a tax on it. When social security first started it was 16 to 1 now it is like 2 to 1 it won't sustain if it keeps going this route. In Philly people that get SSI wich is a form of social security can get it easily. I know people who get ssi that don't deserve it and people who are disable and are young and need it have a hard time getting it. Most of it is people who moved here from another country that never paid in to it. I hope the next president we get after this ass hole, finishes what Bush started and give us what we paid in to it back. Let the low life welfare ,social security stealing illeagles and the rest of the bums that get a free ride go back to their country or if your born here get a job!!!!
An Intellectual is simply someone who's been educated beyond the ability to learn.
Soooo…. planning to overwhelm the welfare roles and making an ever growing number of people dependent on government handouts, destroying thier lives, untill the system collapses makes one an "intellectual"?
Want to bet Franny?
It makes you an a$$hole.
Piven. Another manure salesman with a mouthful of samples.
I submit that she is an intellectual. Intellectuals are the only group of people who's only byproduct are ideas, and when those ideas fail there is no cost to them or those who support them. Society at large is safe as long as they stay within the general boundaries of their intellectual specialties and aren't allowed to teach in any education system. Of course, that's where they gravitate.
Consider Noam Chomsky, the father of modern linguistics, who has become known more widely as a political dissident, an anarchist, and a socialist intellectual. Consider FDR's Brain Trust and the hell they wreaked upon the economy, and the social engineering they perpetrated in the name of advancing societies lot. Consider Lennon, Stalin, Hitler…et, al.
The Cloward-Piven Strategy was/is part of that big picture subversive approach the progressive intellectuals have been perpetrating for a hundred years. Unfortunately, this woman has worked within the "system" of education for decades, she is a "distinguished" Professor of Political Science and Sociology. Our education system has been overrun with her ilk and worse, and several generations have been subject to their indoctrination.
As a returning college student, I am bombarded and under attack by their ideas on a daily basis.
Sorry Francie, but having your garbage pushed around every University campus isn't exactly "low circulation". And stop with your projection. You're the ideologue holding on to what makes us different.
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