Activist Brooklyn Judge Delivers for ACORN, Re-funds Group
by Kyle OlsonFile this one under the category of Predicable News of the Year: A Brooklyn federal judge, appointed by former President Bill Clinton, adopted the argument of hometown Congressman and ACORN apologist Jerrold Nadler that Congress’s efforts to “defund” ACORN amounted to a bill of attainder, and thus were unconstitutional.
Judge Nina Gershon imposed an injunction on the Congress to prevent it from cutting off funds, according to the Wall Street Journal.
The Center for Constitutional Rights filed suit in Brooklyn federal court on behalf of ACORN. That’s curious, given that ACORN is now headquartered in Washington, DC. Not to mention the Congressional action, of course, occured in Washington, DC.
Brooklyn is home of ACORN chief organizer Bertha Lewis. It’s also home to the Working Families Party, the political party co-founded by ACORN. Brooklyn is also the district of Nadler, who runs on the Working Families ticket and has been the group’s most strident supporter in the Congress.
Back in October, the American Spectator’s Matthew Vadum revealed on BigGovernment that Nadler had contacted ACORN’s attorney Arthur Z. Schwartz to “discuss the group’s legal strategy.”
Is it possible Nadler could have told Schwartz something along the lines of, “have I got a federal court for you…!” Is it?
The reality is, as with ACORN’s sham “independent” investigation and subsequent report, ACORN is calling on its friends and allies in its time of need and peril. And man, are they delivering.
Bill Quigley, the legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, was quoted by Fox News as saying, ”It’s a resounding victory for ACORN. I’d be surprised if the government decides to appeal.”
(The Center for Constitutional Rights, by the way, is headed up by Michael Ratner. Big Government readers may remember that Steve’s brother, Bruce, is a deep-pocketed real estate developer and sugar-daddy for ACORN.)
The Obama administration, headed by an ACORN alumni and filled with ACORN alumnus, of course, won’t appeal. And don’t expect the ACORN-friendly Democrats in Congress to do much either.
One way or another ACORN will continue to find ways to latch back onto the taxpayers’ teat. It clearly has enough friends in high places willing to help with that endeavor.
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Since when does a judge have the power to overrule an act of congress? Is this what we call ligislating from the bench?
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The judge was correct… Much as I hate the fact that Acorn can get those funds, and I REALLY do! Congress can't go about Defunding through legislation the way it did. It is a Bill of Attainder when you single out an individual or group like that.
On the other hand the same can be said of the bill that Barney Frank is attempting with the Finance Reform act.
This is freakin' sick. Another episode of "As my stomach turns".
Only 325 more days until the mass firing begins…
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This is a prime candidate for the rubber hose treatment.
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Well I just don't understand how this judge can get by with that ruling?
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Don't knock it. This may be the only way to rid ourselves of this unconstitutional health care debacle.
So now congress doesn't have the authority to spend tax payer dollars???
I guess everything else they're doing is going to have to stop too now, right?
I can't believe congress is sitting by and letting its power be taken over by czars and activist judges.
I just ready on the Examiner that ACORN is planning to use the $4Billion its now gonna get from the Stimulus to register 75Million new voters, 35M undocumented aliens!!
So What.Acorn and taxpayer funded gov't unions are all walking around with puffed up chests because the liberal left looney tunes have the power.It's bad,it smells and looks even worse but change is coming.
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A page right out of Acorn's book!
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Obama administration selects fathers' rights attorney Jeffery Leving to head first White House Roundtable on Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families
Afro-Netizen received the following press release from the law office of Jeffery Leving.
If this new presidential roundtable takes on the tone of Obama's infamous 2008Father's Day speech, it may wind up causing more trouble than traction among parents who supported Obama in hopes that his administration would reform and create policies that encourage parental involvement in lieu of those that all but destroy already challenged families.
The White House Selects Fathers’ Rights Attorney Jeffery Leving as Resource:
First Annual White House Roundtable on Responsible Fatherhood
(Chicago, IL) On Wednesday, August 5, 2009, Fathers’ Rights Attorney Jeffery Leving will join senior White House staff to discuss strategies to promote responsible fatherhood and healthy families. This is the first White House Roundtable on Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families in Chicago. This is the beginning of President Barack Obama’s national conversation on responsible fatherhood and community involvement. Michael Strautmanis, Chief of Staff to the Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Relations and Public Liaison (Valerie Jarrett) will be in attendance at the private Roundtable event with Jeffery Leving.
This private Roundtable will focus on strengthening fathers and families and address the challenge of father absence in America and will be held at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) Forum located at 725 W. Roosevelt Road. The private Roundtable is scheduled from 3:00 – 5:00pm and will be followed by a Town Hall Meeting at 6:30pm. President Barack Obama will participate through a video conferencing link.
This event is co-sponsored by the White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Center for Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships and the Administration for Children and Families.
For more information call Media Coordinator – Jennifer Whiteside at (312) 296-3666.
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A page right out of Acorn's book!
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Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 9:54:47 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
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Wednesday, August 05, 2009
Obama administration selects fathers' rights attorney Jeffery Leving to head first White House Roundtable on Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families
Afro-Netizen received the following press release from the law office of Jeffery Leving.
If this new presidential roundtable takes on the tone of Obama's infamous 2008Father's Day speech, it may wind up causing more trouble than traction among parents who supported Obama in hopes that his administration would reform and create policies that encourage parental involvement in lieu of those that all but destroy already challenged families.
The White House Selects Fathers’ Rights Attorney Jeffery Leving as Resource:
First Annual White House Roundtable on Responsible Fatherhood
(Chicago, IL) On Wednesday, August 5, 2009, Fathers’ Rights Attorney Jeffery Leving will join senior White House staff to discuss strategies to promote responsible fatherhood and healthy families. This is the first White House Roundtable on Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families in Chicago. This is the beginning of President Barack Obama’s national conversation on responsible fatherhood and community involvement. Michael Strautmanis, Chief of Staff to the Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Relations and Public Liaison (Valerie Jarrett) will be in attendance at the private Roundtable event with Jeffery Leving.
This private Roundtable will focus on strengthening fathers and families and address the challenge of father absence in America and will be held at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) Forum located at 725 W. Roosevelt Road. The private Roundtable is scheduled from 3:00 – 5:00pm and will be followed by a Town Hall Meeting at 6:30pm. President Barack Obama will participate through a video conferencing link.
This event is co-sponsored by the White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Center for Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships and the Administration for Children and Families.
For more information call Media Coordinator – Jennifer Whiteside at (312) 296-3666.
If Congress can carefully word spending bills to allow "non-earmarks" that sound inclusive but can really only apply to one state, one district, one city, or even a single company, they can certainly word something about how community organizations accepting federal money that willingly give out advice on the subversion of federal law shall be denied federal funding. Plus they have now been shown to have violated personal privacy laws a lot in a manner that goes beyond simple negligence. Plus while accepting federal money to "dispense information," they have used personal information entrusted to them to recruit new members for financial gain.
Our Congress Critters, slimy politicians as they are, can certainly word a "not a bill of attainder" that covers that!
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It's a shame that a Federal judge would stoop so low, but there those who will. BTW, don't expect too much change from next year's election. It has already been fixed to keep ACORN nuts in power. Despite the best efforts of the citizens, the election will be rigged. There is only one way out of this mess.
OK, fine. Since I don't want my tax money to go to acorn I guess I'll just stop sending my money to the government.
They don't, but obviously, that didn't stop this judge.
No, that is NOT a "BILL OF ATTAINDER" ! Stop sawllowing the damned LIB line. Go look it up and read what a Bill of Attainder actually means.
Acorn et al all seek to overwhelm the system. So for the rest of us there is only one way to overwhelm that same system: every tax PAYER stops paying taxes. They cannot put us all in jail plus we strangle them where it hurts..the funding.
This judge represents what is quickly becoming the end of respect for the judicial branch of the US.
Somehow, I doubt that the corrupt officials in the executive branch, like Eric Holder, will even challenge this clearly corrupt ruling.
As we lose all respect for the judges and politically assigned officials in this country, the entire federal government moves closer to failure.
Straight from the Sal Alinsky Socialist Handbook..create chaos!!! This so-called judge is probably on Obama's payroll!!!
I have to see the judge's opinin, but a finding that thsi amounted to a Bill of Attainder makes no sense and is wrong. The tact i had heard before was that it Violated The Contract Clause of the Constitution, which would mean ACORN would be paid under the term of any existing contracts. A couple of things must happen or we are toast: A massive congressional investigation in to ACORN and a massive RICO suit to divest ACORN of all money achieved through its criminal enterprise. Oh, a third thing – regime change.
"Activist Judge" that is absurd. That doesn't sound like the United States that we know and love.
"A bill of attainder (also known as an act or writ of attainder) is an act of the legislature declaring a person or group of persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without benefit of a trial."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_attainder
Sounds like the judge made the right call. Nobody wants ACORN to receive public money, but we shouldn't sacrifice the constitution for it.
Wiki~ the oeiginal "fount of knowledge", ha ha ha ha, try "Black's Law". Nice try, troll.
since when does an organization have "constitutional rights"?
it's we the people not we the organization.
an organization should have no standing to sue the government over its constitional rights.
that's a bad argument and somebody needs to try to put a stop to this.
Since 1803, and no.
If ACORN can buy votes, I bet they can buy judges too!
how does an organization have any standing in court concerning "constitutional rights?
There's nothing unconstitutional about refusing to do business with someone. The federal government is not obligated to give money to anyone, period. Besides the organization has been convicted of mortgage fraud and voter registration fraud.
Anybody want to set up a community organizing group? We can claim "bill of attainder" when they refuse to give us the money. Beat them at their own games.
"but we shouldn't sacrifice the constitution for it. "
Everything CONgress does now is against the constitution.
ACORN doesn't buy anything. Everything they get is given to them with taxpayers money.
A 'bill of attainder" pertains to criminal matters. The judge is a tool. The citizens of the US are in the hands of the Philistines.
The elections are fixed? Check. The politicians are corrupt? Check. Your ballot is meaningless? Check. You have become a tax slave? Check. Your own tax dollars are being used to enslave you? Check.
These fools will confiscate all the guns next, or else they know they will be looking down the business ends of them if they don't.
There is no way that honest politicians cannot find a legal way to defund ACORN. But then, do we have any honest politicians?
Linked to your post from Obama Proxies • ACORN article series at Jeremiah Films.
I have told my reps that I will not cooperate with the 2010 census until the past relationship between ACORN and the Census Bureau has been thoroughly investigated by federal authorities.
Why isn't our Attorney General investigating this???? It seems the Democrats don't investigate Democrats. They can do anything they want. We basically are not operating as country, with laws and a Constitution.
As soon as the GOP gets back in power they HAVE to investigate all this corruption!!! And start with Obama.
Everyone has acted shocked by this but…
1) We all know that there are judges out there that would be sympathetic to ACORN & since ACORN is all over the place, they could pick the court where to file.
2) The courts have been stripping the powers of the Constitution away for years, most judges are politicians themselves & as such, they have their own political agenda.
3) We all knew that there would contest to Congresses actions, ACORN would not just rollover & play dead.
There is no reason to be surprised, out rage, yes. This will get messier before it gets any better.
When will there be a similar bill of attainder on Blackwater, I mean Xe? They've killed American citizens, a little more serious than ACORN staff playing two kids dressed up funny…of what about that bill of attainder against Goldman Sachs for destroying our economy and wrecking millions of peoples lifetime of savings…
Then there is only thing to do. It is quite logical really. RELEASE MORE VIDEOS!
It is true that registering a million low and moderate income black and brown people is a bigger crime than killing American citizens or costing trillions in lost retirement accounts…The founding fathers I'm sure would agree.
When will Breitlard send his hidden camera video teams into real threats to America like Xe or Goldman Sachs, or AIG? Or will ACORN be his biggest triumph-little ACORN and its 50 Million in government funding over 15 years? Wow, thats like one bonus check for a Goldman Exec who's not only destroyed my parents retirement savings, but is now taking my tax dollars to pay its execs bonuses! WHen will our hero, Breitlard, get the hidden cameras into those offices and expose something of significance? Cmon, Breitlard, we're counting on you to save America!
Actually, that is what congress does…implicating fiscal policy. You can blame any bs you want to but the fact still remains that neither bush, obama or any other president can spend a dime without them.
So if I understand Judge Nadler, it is unconstitutional to defund ACORN, however I would like for this Judge to explain where in the Constitution , Congress was given the authority to give groups such as ACORN my tax dollars in the first place.
I've got it! Breitlard sends his dynamic prostituting duo into Glenn Becks HQ to uncover the connection between Becks fearmongering and the rising value of gold that he hawks…or maybe they go deep undercover to expose a South Carolina governor-oops, already exposed! We need some more doctored tapes, Dr. Breitlard!
I hope our new Congress and POTUS understand Judges making policy is not a good thing. Tort reform for real should be a priority.
Calling a farce a judge is quite a stretch. I wonder where her second home is that she will excape to when the revolution starts. Somewhere bulletproof and in deep hiding for sure.
There is no "bill of attainder" involved here. Congress is entirely within its power to stop giving funds to an organization that it is funding. It is not "taking" funds away from ACORN that ACORN has earned or produced. Congress can for its own reasons cease to fund anything–that's part of its constitutional role. The judge in this matter is, most probably, the one who has overstepped the authority of the judiciary.
This DIRTBAG JUDGE should be exposed as a radical Activist. He is trying to paint this as a classic Bill of Attainder case and there are many who vehemently disagree with him. We the People are the ones who are funding this criminal enterprise, against our will. We need to figure out how to withhold our taxes from the whores in Washington DC until they start to listen to those who pay their inflated salaries! ACORN should have RICO charges filed against them but, hell, we can't even get the corrupt Congress to investigate or appoint an outside team to investigate. The CORRUPT Attorney General is not going to investigate either. Our government is riddled with Corruption and we must start to clean out these maggots in 2010 and as long as it takes to get rid of every single one of them. I am furious over the insanity that is going on in Washington!
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Ok…let's all file suit in Federal Court. EVERY earmark in the spending bill, by this judge's definition, is a Bill of Attainder.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Constitution. What a novel idea. Read the Bill of Attainder clause of the Constitution and if you need further translation, read Federalist Papers #78.
Congress does not have the authority to overrule the Constitution nor can any Act of Congress overrule the Constitution. You do realize this is America right?
Yes…1redcent is correct…look it up!!! Perhaps you should read Federalist Papers # 78. This clearly defines the specifics of a Bill of Attainder as our fore-fathers intended and prove beyond a shadow of doubt how 1redcent should take his own advice.
THANK YOU! A voice of reason!!!
It is the court's responsibility to establish that they don't have a standing. Here in America where the rest of us live, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Quite the opposite in a court of blogs but a court of blogs don't mean jacks##t unfortunately for you.
And every single American is entitled to Constitutional Rights there Kim Jung Ill.
"the organization has been convicted of mortgage fraud and voter registration fraud"??? They have???? When??? Where??? By who??? In an actual court of law or the court of talking point imaginationland that exists in your head??? Where are these convictions???? LOL Make things up as you go much do you taxman? Please tell us you don't actually DO people's taxes? Frightening.
Perhaps you can educate yourself as to what a Bill of Attainder is? First educate yourself as to what the US Constitution is. Have you heard of it? Pesky little thing at times but only when you can't burn it for your Swift Boat campaigns. Read Federalist Papers # 78 to understand the Bill of Attainder clause as our fore-fathers intended.
Read Federalist Papers # 78. Call our nation's fore-fathers "a tool" or perhaps you can be educated enough to not actually show everybody what "a tool" is by your living example of legal knowledge and prowess.
You tool.
Federalist Papers # 78 should hold all your answers to your question.
Ummmm….OK?
Perhaps you should actually READ the Constitution. What a novel idea. Read the Bill of Attainder clause of the Constitution and if you need further translation, read Federalist Papers #78.
Congress does not have the authority to overrule the Constitution nor can any Act of Congress overrule the Constitution. You do realize this is America right?
Maybe YOU shouldn't stoop so low.
Federalist Papers # 78! Educate yourself.
Oh yeah…release MORE videos. As if the first ones were not completely worthless and meaningless enough. LOL
According to these whack jobs indoctrinated into the whole ACORN Derangement Syndrome…YES.
It's in the Constitution under the "Bill of Attainder" clause. Have you ever even read the Constitution? Our nation's founders even further detailed what they meant with the Bill of Attainder clause in Federalist Papers # 78.
I can't see where any judge would have to explain himself to an obvious Constitutional scholar like yourself. LOL
Boy, what a Constitutional Scholar you must be in your spare time. Have you ever even read the Constitution there Kim Jung Redneck or do you just exploit it for your agendas you've obediently been indoctrinated to believe? Did you even know there was a Constitution here in America? The "DIRTBAG JUDGE" (how respectful) was upholding the Bill of Attainder clause in our "DIRTBAG CONSTITUTION" and the interpretation from our "DIRTBAG NATION'S FOUNDERS" in Federalist Papers # 78.
Dirtbag.
The government loves ACORN and ACORN loves the government. The government will not let ACORN go away.
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FAIL. An "organization" is not a person. ACORN has no rights to lose.
FAIL. A refusal to do business with is not a judgment of innocence or guilt. All of the money that the federal government DOESN'T spend on the NRA does not amount to a bill of attainder, and it wouldn't be a bill of attainder had they specifically attached language to forbid money from going to organization A or B.
FAIL. You endorse a judge, who has no understanding of legal matters, because you have no understanding of legal matters, and then you back it up with psuedo-slur against Kim Jung III, whom you obviously admire as evidenced by your judge crush.
Over our pitchfork and torch laden dead bodies! The activist Judicial community would be wise to pay close attention to the fury of the electorate. They may be first in line to need ObamaCare.
I love it. Liberals are still angry about John Kerry's past coming to light. Choose your heroes better next time.
That is particularly so in Florida, Tennessee, Texas, Montana and a few other notable states. "They" know better….. Proceed at your own risk….heh..heh..heh….
Yup, it's the same stuff, different day. ACORN, comprised of worthless and evil people, is now reconnected to the mothership of worthless and evil people doling out our money. The left rejoices in the mass rape of our wallets, promulgating bogus legal theories to make sure that votes are bought and illegals vote. Revolution 2010 or else.
You continue to display the intellectual depth of a 10yr. old.
The amount of money given by Goldman Sachs employees to the Obama campaign ranked second and was 4 times more than they gave McCain.
Wall Street donated, by far, more money to Obama. The top contributors to Obama's campaign were employees of financial industry giants. And, of course, it was Obama who pulled out of public campaign financing because he knew he could rake in the cash.
Take your issues to the Obama administration. As I recall, Obama is the one who was going to "save America."
Breitbart is doing a great job, but he can hardly do everything. Your argument that he should be focusing on Goldman Sachs instead of ACORN because GS is bigger is just plain idiotic. By that logic, there should be no stories about anything other than AGW because as liberals tell us, the very existence of humanity and earth is in peril and we must act immediately and transform the way we do everything in order to save it.
Who cares about Goldman Sachs and retirement accounts when there won't be a planet?.
And you effectively dodged the point with an outdated snivel. Typical.
God…you are the obvious poster child for why we need education reform. Did you even look like you were paying attention when they were teaching about the Constitution? Can you even spell the Constitution? Do you know anything about Federalist Papers?
Please provide your outstanding credentials that make you such a Constitution legal scholar. Did you actually earn them at a credited college or did you regurgitate them as talking points from a blog? Did you have precedents in law reviews or legal journals that establish you as such a Worldly legal reference.
If you have such a thumb-sucking tantrum about our Nation's founders and that pesky document called the Constitution than maybe you should travel back in time and "swift boat" the Fore-fathers or maybe you can use your outstanding knowledge of "federal document patriot thingy" and file a counter-suit declaring your precedent that makes your talking points established law rather than opinionated bulls##t. Epic fail is epic!
The fact that the Judge is right or not really has no bearing on any of this! If the Eric Holder justice dept. would have been doing their job from the onset of this mess, it would have been too late for Jerry Nadler and ACORN to cry "Bill of Attainder". Period, end of discussion, nothing to see here, move along…
Just as Syntax_game feels he must justify his perceived wealth of knowledge by personally attacking others, it's all smoke and mirrors to disguise the truth in the matter. Syntax_game just likes to judge other people according to his own shortcomings. Never mind the fact that he is wrong, he wants to make sure that you know he carries a marginal vocabulary, and is able to give you the verbal beat down more-so than providing facts to substantiate an argument. He's nothing but a distraction. And if you ignore him, he will go away. I don't understand why anyone pleasures him with a response!?
When it comes to this administration, don't bother watching the right hand….The left hand is the one to keep your eye on.
The complete independence of the courts of justice is peculiarly essential in a limited Constitution. By a limited Constitution, I understand one which contains certain specified exceptions to the legislative authority; such, for instance, as that it shall pass no bills of attainder, no ex post facto laws, and the like. Limitations of this kind can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing.
What you are saying is that an organization – be it Acorn or and other organization composed of citizens – should not be able to defend themselves in court against the government. I am willing to bet that under a different situation with an organization you approve, you would be arguing from the opposite point of view.
I think you missed the point. The amount of money given to ACORN doesn't amount to anything compared to Blackwater or other private organizations. Blackwater can't account for more money then ACORN will receive in 20 years. ACORN improper actions (although not condoned) are way smaller then the improper actions and anti-we the people then Blackwater. Stop looking at the shinny objects.
You seem to be implying that in your kind of revolution the people will not receive due process of law and it will look like the french revolution. So are you to be the judge in that case?
THE COMMIES KEEP PUSHING AND PUSHING. SOMETHING IS GOING TO GIVE, SOON.
A Bill of Attainder argument as interpreted by a Federal District Judge to essentially mean that ACORN, (or any other private organization), was denied it's "right" to taxpayer funding?
Okay.
Then do not complain or protest when the American Nazi Party or another far RIght wing group likewise sues to receive it's subsidy from YOUR pocket. If you support this ruling, you should think about how it may one day be used against you.
This ruling is insane.
A District judge does not dictate which organizations the Legislature must subsidize with monies from the public purse.
Does this mean that The Honerable Nina Gershon's ruling will cause the fired ACORN workers to be rehired?
And get paid retroactive for the time they have been not working after the closing of the offices?
this is with out a doubt the most informative section to date……bye the bye in the brooklyn paper ref. to this judge,the brooklyn district attorney is bring charges against acorn,assuming the big govt. stingyyyyy.
Well, the way I see it, if one judge can say yes, another one can say NO!!!
Look, I'm not a lawyer, but this is in line with what I heard was going to happen. Congress passed legislation that gave money to ACORN, then blocked that legislation (contract) without any proof of wrongdoing. They don't have to approve future funding, no matter what anyone says, but the current funding can't be cut off unless they have hearings to legally determine that ACORN has done wrong. That's not going to happen because the Dems don't want it to. In my opinion, that's the reason that the Dems went along with defunding them in the first place. They have figured out a way to backdoor fund them while saying it wasn't their fault.
The answer is to come out in massive numbers in 2010 and turn this thing around. I want Republicans to start some massive investigations into the wrongdoing that's been going on with Liberals stealing taxpayer money with all the irresponsible spending that's been happening this year. You don't have to be a Glen Beck fan to see the connections of all these Liberal groups to each other and to wealthy Leftists who want to change the way all of us live.
Since Marbury v. Madison.
Unfortunately, it seems the ruling is correct. This legislation even used ACORN's name in barring federal funds. The solution could be new legislation with vague language which just so happens to only apply to ACORN.
GAO may be involved in any miss use of any govt. funds,yes. so it is a matter of the justice dept.to prosecute. hence hussiens fun house acorn keeps our bucks and we the people are f**ked, S.O.P. the end.
So let's try this … When the Feds cancel any contract for any reason, that's a bil of attainder? LOL …
Nope, but taxing the rice to pay for stupid social wealth transfers, yep, that's a bill of attainder.
Interesting… I didn't think that the judical could force to congress to do anything, unless congress allowed it to. Separation of powers and all that jazz.
Yes, read it…….go to the source! I am right and you, obviously, have NO idea what is actually in the Constitution.
Wiki is WRONG; yet again. Go read the Constitution!
The Federalist Papers are NOT "the law of the land"; The Constitution is.
And you obtained your law degree from where there Matlock? Didn't think so. It is what it is and ACORN still stands. Have a cookie.
Obviously, this ruling is the reason our communist congress agreed to defund Acorn in the first place. It allowed them to look like they were against this corrupt organization knowing full well that a judge could be used to reverse the decision.
And what a ridiculous ruling it is. So Acorn has the constitutional right to pick my pockets? That's what the judge has said.
It was bad enough when the Federal Government was spending money on unconstitutional things, but now the judges are ruling that the government MUST fund unconstitutional things!
The Bill of Attainer has nothing to do with the fact Congress was given certain Enumerated Powers none which cover granting tax dollars to groups such as ACORN…..maybe you did not understand my statement or are the one that needs to read the Constitution
It has nothing whatsoever to do with having or not having a "law degree"; the Constitution was written so that anyone ( except you, obviously ) could understand it.
The Constitution used to be taught in school…………….were you playing truant that week?
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Cahl… a bill of attainder is unrelated to Congress doing it's job of using tax dollars. ONLY congress can determine who gets funded, not the judicial branch. A bill of attainder imposses a CRIMINAL punishment on a single individual or organization for CRIMINAL ACTS without legal due process. "Defunding" is not puishment, it is exercising fiscal responsibility and is done ALL THE TIME. That judge should be impeached once we find out she colluded with Nadler and ACORN lawyers. This administration and it supporters in the other branches have injured America's international standing 10 times more than both Bush's combined
S.Game, you are an idiot. Congress needs no evidence or legal finding of criminality to do it's constitutional job of funding or not funding an organization or individual. ACORN has no right to federal funding, thus congress can fund them or not at their whim. And a judge has no authority to userp an enumerated congressional power.
Acorn has been caught time after time in criminal activity, they were not unfairly singled out. This is jst another way for the obama administration to funnel the funds of the hrd working American tax payer to their thug buddies. But I will bet the investigation continues! obama and punks will not be in office long since they are too incompetent to handle Americas busines!
I understood your statement perfectly. You just fail at understanding the law. It's common sense to us smart folk!
Some some two-bit worthless liberal appointed judge gets to overrule our congress? These low level court judges are even more liberal and radical than some of our elected representatives and get lifetime appointments. Instead of fixing healthcare, FIX THE LEGAL SYSTEM FIRST! acorn is a FRAUD and should not be a government subsidized organization. STOP WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS ON CRAP LIKE acorn!
I'm willing to bet a shiny new dime you never even read it. If you had, you would understand completely what a Bill of Attainder is.
I've read it.
"Congress needs no evidence or legal finding of criminality" — DONE! You are obviously a child who got left behind and for that, I'm sorry! American education should be better than this.
You ARE an idiot… "syntax game" is a good name for you… you left off the qualifying CONTEXT from your excerpt: "Congress needs no evidence or legal finding of criminality TO DO IT'S CONTITUTIONAL JOB OF FUNDING OR NOT FUNDING AN ORGANIZATION OR INDIVIDUAL." The ONLY way defunding an organization is a Bill of Attainder is if federal funding is a right… and it is not. If it were, I'd have a million dollar a year contract and so would you. Bone head.
Somebody needs to explain to me why ANY such organization is somehow "entitled" to my tax dollars. Unless and until that has been done to my satisfaction, funding for ACORN or any other, similar group must stop immediately!
not to be a buttinski….. but i dont think anyone in the guv. is going to care if they do something to your satisfaction…matta of fact i think somebody needs a strong cup of coffee sweetened with a heaping spoonful of reality…but dont be mad at me…im just sayin.
yeah waste it on crap wars for isreal instead. it is the defact 51st state after all….FACT!
Don't get me wrong. I don't EXPECT the defunding of these groups to stop–at least not as long as THIS bunch is in charge. I'm just sayin', too.
Like I said dude, I am truly sorry the education system failed you on basic common sense history.
LMFAO… just like EVERY OTHER leftist who tells me I am wrong and then does nothing to back it up. Why not point out where Congress is required to have evidence or findings of criminality to defund an organization? Why? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. It is FABRICATED BS. Congress holds the purse strings and they can close the purse when ever they want to for what ever reason they want. Sucks for you when they do it to a leftist organization like ACORN huh? Further evidence of the leftist entitlement mentality. People like you sicken me and make me fear the future.
You may have read it; but obviously you've never understood it!
Of course I've read the Constitution! As a matter of fact, I've read it several times over, had it covered in grammar school and high school, and was tested on it in both classes; got As on both tests. I also helped my child study for tests on it, that were also aced. And, of course, I have read it again after that. So your assumption about me, as usual, is completely incorrect.
If they are so meaningless and worthless why are you even bothering to respond? You find criminal activity to be meaningless and worthless and funny? You find child prostitution to be funny?
You are just as guilty as the sub-humans and humanoids that you protect. But since you are on the dole already you must protect your host. Right? No need to respond sub-human.
I notice that all you do is call me names, not refute my logic, Syntax. That means one thing — I'm right. Thank you.
Just to rub it in, here's a more detailed explanation as to why my general understanding was right. http://bench.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmI3MWYzZ...
To cut to the chase, he points out that the bill of attainder applies to INDIVIDUALS, not organizations. The law is concerned with the rights of individuals because there is nothing else.
You lose.
Outdated? It's not outdated in your mind. You can't get over it. That's why you're so childishly impotent and thus, so funny to watch.
Yes, you are dead on. Our friend Syntax does not understand that bills of attainder don't apply to organizations, but rather safeguard the rights of individuals. For example, a bill of attainder would prevent someone from being employed by the federal government forever; section 169 of the bill 1) does not apply to individuals 2) does not apply to employment 3) forbids ACORN from applying for federal monies (and does not apply to current contracts) 4) is temporary. So there are multiple reasons why this does not constitute a bill of attainder, with the first being the strongest case.
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Thanks for that !
Long, long ago, when was 14, my history teacher drilled the Constitution and all of the Amendments into my mind, so much, that I can still quote swathes of it and DO understand and l know what it means. Sadly, Syntax has NO idea what is in the Constitution and wouldn't understand it, if it were to be read to him.
The idiotic judge, who lately ruled in ACORN's favor, also doesn't understand what the Constitution CLEARLY states.
You know what it says and also understands the meaning of Bill of Attainder ! It only applies to individuals and absolutely does NOT apply to "non-profits", that suck at the government teat.
It looks like Sgame's knickers are in a twist!
It has been fun to read and Russet you have maintained your composure, well done.
I could see the melt down with all of the ????????? haha!
If I had called you names or disrespected you than I apologize. And yes, you are right…name calling is unnecessary.
As far as your "credible" link to a Right-wing, biased media outlet like National Review? I'll take this link any day of the week over that:
http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/...
Oh I'm sorry…were there actual crimes committed on those videos besides felonious violations of the two-party recording consent laws in California, Maryland and Pennsylvania? Yeah…that's pretty funny!!! Hacks thought they were smarter than they actually were. Not to mention to ACORN offices asked her (Giles) to leave and not return until she was dressed more appropriately since apparently she (Giles) was showing all the "pole dancing" parts to these ACORN people and they were not interested. How much you want to bet that O"keefe has at least one sex tape? Funny stuff indeed.
I know Giles and O'Keefe pitched the child prostitution idea but I disagree with you…I believe the originators of that criminal conspiracy (Giles and O'Keefe) were acting in a political, smear, hack, deceitful manner and obviously were not serious about actually going through with their criminal conspiracy to commit child prostitution, were they? I believe you may be misinformed sir, I don't thing the originators of the criminal conspiracy idea of committing child prostitution (Giles and O'Keefe) should be arrested.
I'm not the one that's wrong. Apparently those Commie founding fathers of this country are a bunch of ACORN sympathizing, socialists, Nazi, FEMA camp having, Gold swindling hacks!!!
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So what if you read the Constitution? You obviously could care less about it unless it suits your political ideology which is the EXACT FORM OF DESPOTIC TYRANNY that caused the Constitution to be written in the first place. To keep tyrants like you from imposing your warped view of law and justice on the majority of the country (THANK GOD FOR THAT!!!!!)
We wouldn't want America's lowest common denominator to be indoctrinated into believing Judge Gershon legislated from the bench now would we?
Judge rules in favor of ACORN and MY knickers are in a twist? Ummmm….is there a rabbit with a hat on running around screaming "I'm late" in your world where my knickers are in a twist?
LMAO!!!
Here, have a cookie.
Look, get this straight……………………..all of your name calling, impugnations, libel, and specious posts to me, don't make what you post true, factual, nor even relevant.
Stamp your feet, pound your fists on the key board, and guess what ? NOBODY CARES AND NOBODY THINKS THAT YOUR POST ARE ANYTHING BUT WASTED BANDWIDTH.
Neither the Federalist nor the Anti-Federalist Papers are the Constitution.
I've also read them and unlike you, know and understand what's said in them.
I am a strict Constitutionalist; too bad that your boy Barry and the judges he and Clinton appoint aren't.
Now go back to sleep………………life will look so much better, for you, in your delusional dreams.
I don't have to stamp my feet. Judge ruled in ACORN's favor…game over…you lose!
If you call yourself a "strict Constitutionalist" then sir, YOU LIE!
You haven't a clue to the importance of the Federalist Papers and you would casually and imperialistically cast aside the Constitution's definition of a "Bill of Attainder" because the Constitution failed at meeting your ideological interpretation of YOUR law then sir, you are the farthest thing from a Constitutionalist imaginable. You are a despot who angers at the Constitution and it's representatives when it fails to meet your imperialism.
The Federalist Papers were the building blocks, the foundation of our laws and our justice system.
Nazis, or members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, have never been, nor are they, right-wingers. The far right end of the political spectrum is anarchy, not a different brand of totalitarianism.
Other than that, I agree with your point.
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