Climategate Shows ‘Big Science in its Natural State’
by Kevin MooneyGlobal warming alarmists are now alarmed because they cannot account for the cooling trend that has been evident since the late 1990s in contradiction to their climate models. In fact, there is a growing body of evidence that suggests the planet has entered a cooling cycle that could persist for decades. Dr. Don Easterbook, for instance, a geologist and professor emeritus at Western Washington University, has concluded that sea surface temperatures will experience a drop that could last for the next 25 to 30 years based on his observations of the Pacific Decadal Oscilliation or PDO, a weather phenomenon that reverts between warm and cool modes.

Researchers who have long questioned the premise of man-made global warming theories point out that alarmist claims are driven more by computer models that omit key variables than they are by actual observations. The growing “climategate” scandal goes a long way toward vindicating the scientific skeptics who have been ostracized in the media and the academic community. Emails that have been leaked to the Internet from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia show that researchers have deliberately fudged and manipulated data in an effort to account for predicted catastrophic warming that has not materialized.
In his testimony before the British Parliament, Phil Jones, the CRU director, suggested that he would be cleared of any wrongdoing once a fuller body of evidence is presented. The emails that have been made public were only a “tenth of one percent” of his correspondence, Jones said.
If anything, the more recent email revelations serve to invalidate the use of climate models that figure prominently into the reports issued through the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
“The fact is we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t,” Kevin Trenberth, an IPCC author wrote in an email addressed to other alarmists in October of last year. “The CERES data published in August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data surely are wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.”
In another email addressed to Tom Wigley, a physicist with the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, Trenberth makes the following comment:
“Hi Tom — How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!”
This exchange is particularly significant because it demonstrates that climate models that have been used to rationalize expansive regulatory schemes are in error, Steve Milloy editor and founder of JunkScience.com said in interview.
“We’ve had no warming for the past 10-15 years, even though carbon dioxide emissions have increased,” he observed. “The upper atmosphere should be warming at a much greater rate than the lower atmosphere but this is not happening. It means that we don’t understand energy flows, and if you don’t understand how something works it cannot be modeled. It’s insanity to go forward with regulations that are not based on something we understand, but that’s what is being proposed.”
Although “climategate” is properly viewed as an “unexpected gift” to skeptics in that it shows “Big Science in its natural state,” it is not exactly new, laments David Berlinski, a senior fellow with The Discovery Institute.
“In the 1970s, the Club of Rome was on everyone’s lips with their hysterical warnings of mass disasters that were shortly to arrive,” he wrote in an email message. “My first book, On Systems Analysis, which I wrote for the MIT press, was an expose and a denunciation of the kind of stuff then current. I cannot see that anything has changed. Then as now, the people doing the hustle were doing it for money. Phil Jones and the CRU, after all, took 23 million dollars of public funds to fudge their data and the Club of Rome in their time took in as much.”
Berlinski continues:
“The overwhelming consensus is, as it always is, utter nonsense because it is in the first place an illusion: There are very many scientists who dissent from global warming. And it is utter nonsense because it is based on nothing more than a trend line. No one has the faintest idea what the trend represents or whether it will continue or whether even the trend itself was based on data so fudged as to be meaningless. The latter, I think.”
“What is at work deep down is a delusion as striking as various Zulu beliefs and no more credible: To wit, that because there is something that might for the sake of convenience be designated as the global atmosphere, there is as well a science of the global atmosphere, one in which for various initial conditions of the GA, laws of its evolution might be adduced from which explanations and predictions would flow. There is no such science; there are no such laws. To be sure one can say with easy confidence that the GA is determined by fundamental physics.”
Berlinski appeared in the 2008 documentary “Expelled : No Intelligence Allowed,” which probes into the mistreatment of scientists who have raised questions about Charles Darwin’s 150 year old theory of evolution. Ben Stein, the former Nixon speechwriter turned Hollywood actor, served as the film’s narrator. The film is built around the idea that free thinkers who dissent from the orthodoxy of “Big Science” are being silenced and marginalized. In light of the “climategate” scandal, “Expelled” now appears quite prescient.
Berlinski, who is also a noted mathematician, is not himself a proponent of Intelligent Design theory, but he does defend biologists and astronomers appearing in the documentary who are open to the idea as an alternative to Darwinian views that continue to dominate the scientific academy.
In reality, science has never operated by consensus. Over time, prevailing views are either substantiated or dismissed as new evidence emerges. The momentum is now very much with Easterbrook and other researchers who have identified natural forces as opposed to human activity as the primary driving force behind warming and cooling trends. Ideally, they should find greater expression.
But Berlinski is not so confident over the long term.
“Climate science stands exposed but only for the moment,” he wrote. “It will be back. I cannot see much difference between evolutionary science and climate science and I have no expectation that the winds of dissent will ever blow from the one to the other. Why should they? In just the past few years, large scale econometric models have, once again, been shown to be unreliable and intellectually worthless. The world-wide economy tanked and not one — not one! — econometric model predicted it.”
Global warming alarmism as a movement appears to have peaked; that’s the good news. A new Gallup Poll shows the American public now dismisses catastrophic claims. Unfortunately, the political agenda that always stood behind the man-made global warming scare remains in motion. The Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) endangerment finding aimed against greenhouse gasses could open the way to centralized planning and government control that irrevocably transforms American society.
Sen. Lisa Murkowsi (R-Alaska) has introduced a resolution to block EPA action under the Congressional Review Act. It deserves the full support of small government activists. But the economic case against new regulations, as important and compelling as they are, may be insufficient standing alone.
The grand designs of the statists who now hold sway in Washington D.C. can only be uprooted and defeated by attacking the nexus that exists between Big Government and Big Science. Swollen federal agencies that have victimized private property owners, business owners and private citizens in the name of environmentalism could become quite vulnerable in short order.






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I think what they are really alarmed about is that their schemes on cooking the data is now well understood.
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Their fallacies about AGW are crumbling, and it's a joy to see. But cynically speaking, this may prove to be no problem for the alarmists. It's quite possible the chicken littles in the media and academia will simply switch gears, and start fear-mongering over another "global ice age." We went through that in the seventies, as I recall. One would hope that with this much egg on their faces that they'd give up, but we can't relax and assume that.
Okay I'll address it- as soon as you begin displaying some kind of respectable, courteous dialogue that doesn't revert to name calling before the discussion has even begun. Besides, this topic is about the Global Warming hoax. Why can't you stick to the topic at hand?
If there we really were teabagger terrorists, they'd have hunted your sorry ass by now. You've got more to fear from those dust bunnies under your bed.
teabagger? Doesn't that more correctly describe you?…
The MSM, and the government stooges ahs been shaking the hustings looking for any 'right wing terrorists' so they can have a self righteous 'gotcha' moment.
Like what you are having here.
One suspects this bunch to be another gang that couldn't shoot straight with an overblown media driven narrative. Ultimately they didn't hurt anybody, which you and yours would have preferred…
well, anon-sequitur, maybe you could use an open thread to display your idiocy instead of blindly flailing about in this one?
In the 1960's it was global cooling. Tomorrow it will be something else. It is a, what shall I say, "A PONZIE SCHEME." Do not believe anything government tells you period…
I want to see every hard-working tax paying American get a refund for all the billions that have been wasted on this crap pseudo-science. We could start by taking back the millions that Al Gore has made off this nonsense. Talk about spreading the wealth around- let's start with the Libs' money.
that's why the description has been altered to 'Climate Change'…
Not 'global warming'. Now, no matter what occurs it can be blamed on us humans ('boy, we have had an extended- and an eerily unexpected spell of nice weather. Must be the SUV's'). This way the one worlders can have it both ways.
However, like most everything else they've lost the overall argument. While successful in brainwashing our youth,
they have had far less success with taxpaying, inquisitive adults. Anyone who thinks cap and tax is a slam dunk needs to learn from the healthcare debacle…
just in the last few days i saw mention that 'climate scientists' were claiming that in spite of record setting brutal weather in much of the northern hemisphere, this past winter was the '5th warmest on record'. i wonder how much they had to fudge, bake, and utterly bludgeon the data for that one?
Hunter who kills polar bears "because they are there" is concerned about the poor creatures dying of heat exhaustion because the temperature is only -15 degrees! http://www.ecoenquirer.com/polar-bear-heat.htm
Finally, the voice of reason.
The global warming contributions of atmospheric constituents are as follows:
Water vapor – 95%
Green house gasses – 5%
Man made GHG – 0.28%
Man made CO2 – 0.117%
Man made CH4 – 0.066%
Reducing the US’s man made CO2 by 17% would reduce global warming by about 0.01% or by 1 part in 10 thousand.
Actually the concentration of CO2 at 385ppm is above its radiation absorption spectra saturation point of 280ppm.
CO2 fluctuates after temperature fluctuations, never before. From 1895/7 the correlation of temperature to CO2 was 0.43; to solar intensity, 0.57; to ocean temperature, 0.85. From 1987 to 2007 the correlation of temperature to CO2 was 0.02.
The Minoan, Roman and Medieval Warm Periods were warmer than it is now. The earth has been cooling for 12 years since peaking in 1998. It should continue cooling for another 18 years before warming for 30 years just as it has for the prior two 60 year cycles.
WARNING: ATTEMPTED THREADJACKING BY ILL-INFORMED O-BOT TROLL IN PROGRESS.
Still waiting for evidence those fruitcakes you mentioned are "teabaggers" or that anybody other than psychopathic milita organizations support their alleged activities and plans.
These are the same kinds of violent, separatist militia groups that were present in the 1990s – like the Montana Militiamen, etc. This particular group – Hutaree – was around as early as 2001.
See, they can't be "teabaggers" prior to the Tea Party movement – which started last year. But this group of nutburgers has been around a lot longer than that.
Get a clue, jackass.
Thanks. We now return you to your scheduled thread topic.
"If you torture the data long enough, it will confess."
I wish, however, that the piece had also gone into ClimateGate II- the systematic fudging and outright faking of temperature data by NASA/GISS and NOAA.
Finally this crap theory has been so damaged that no thinking person supports it. Therein lies part of the problem for us though, as so few people think. We can make this go away or marginalize it to near oblivion. But we must also be diligent and watch for the next shiny object to emerge so we can kill it before it takes root. Crap like this is simply a tool for the Statist to manipulate the people. These people do not give up, they will never go away and they must be rolled back. Their biggest enemy is an informed and engaged electorate. We have a duty, I will do mine…
A bunch of bomb-planting homosexuals? Really?
So what happens to Gore and all the other fear mongering alarmists that profitted from this? Once it's certain these people were trying to pull a fast one, shouldn't they be punished? And I mean everyone. Every idiot that made a movie or lent their name to this "cause", everyone that pushed this on us. Shouldn't they face some sort of retribution?
Clarification: It would be better to say that, “from 1895/7 the correlation of temperature to oceanic oscillations was 0.85,” instead of “to ocean temperature”.
CO2 was higher 1500 years ago. Tens of thousands of CO2 measurements in the last 200 years report higher CO2 readings in 1825, 1852 and 1942. We are actually in a CO2 impoverished atmosphere compared to a few million years ago.
I'm pleased to see Kevin Mooney believes in recycling. He must be getting impatient because he is "reporting" on a story that broke last year and hasn't been in the headlines since the middle of December, with the exceptions of opinion pieces like this one.
The "growing climategate scandal" is growing only in your mind. If there was anything to it that could not be accounted for it would be huge news… but it just isn't. Sorry…
Plainly, it bothers denialists that no one pays attention to them, hence the endless "Look at us! Look at us!" threads like this one. We could spend hours again refuting each point … and do it again … and again … and again … but what's the point? Denialism is a fringe cult, and denialist zombie lies always rise again. More fun and more effective to just laugh the zombies away.
'ocean acidification' is already being mentioned by their chosen spokes-folks as their next attack vehicle.
Look for these words to replace agw or climate change as the next fear-mongering diatribe of the left.
As a scientist, I find the alarmists doom and gloom predictions total fantasy. I understand the technical data and what you may reasonably infer, and what you hear on the news is not science.
http://www.PoliticalCentrist.com News and views for independent voters
Smurf,
Get out your pad of paper and you sharpest crayon, do some original research on the "Christian militia" arrests and report back. B.G. only deletes your posts sometimes, and we both know why. Make an honest effort, and maybe you can have your 15 seconds of fame.
I am (not) sorry if I offended your sensibilities with the phrase "honest effort", since both concepts seem foreign to you.
I await your predictably nonsensical, vitriolic and lame insult in response…
I've heard of it- and I've no doubt that you're absolutely correct. Now the whales, fish, and sea lions will be dying because all the carbon has settled in our oceans and is detroying the food chain. Argghhh. To let our guards down against these people right now would be a huge mistake.
Dems get letters and emails we get shot at only Fox Drudge say anything.
Maybe they used an Easy bake oven…
I think our friend anon must be a teabaggerphobe.
Well… Nobel Prize Winner, Academy Award Winner, Grammy Award winner Super Brain Al Gore is still writing editorials claiming when it is warm it is because of Global Warming, and when it is cold it is because of Global Warming.
So rather be-moan the repetition of factually correct proven information regarding the fundamental dishonesty apparent in behavior of the proponents of this giant scam, your time might be better spent telling AL GORE: "sit down and STFU".
The left is losing it, and they call U.S. nuts, for protesting an oppressive regime in Washington. The similarities in this clip are down right scary. Take a look for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRi0tLu7AUs
Red herrings and other fallacies are the only tools in the Leftist toolbox.
Can we sue Gore for starting a world wide panic ? I see no differance in yelling fire in the theatre when their is no fire & yelling the world is going to burn up & its not.
whatever happened to acid rain and that giant hole in the ozone i heard so much about when i was a kid? shouldn't those have killed us all by now?
Factually correct? Hardly. It was stolen, cherrypicked e-mails that were taken out of context. But if I'm wrong and you're right then we should see the climate change research go away. I mean, there is no sense in researching something that isn't happening.
But if you are wrong, the research will continue… so let's see how this plays out.
You claim has been given the attention it deserves.
But while we are on the subject of gutless cowards, I look forward to seeing your condemnation of the Black Panthers intimidating voters and the Giant Purple People eating SEIU thugs and their random acts of assaulting people. Perhaps you would like to start of small, ACORN voter registration fraud – just the cases that have resulted in a conviction. That way you can digest the courts opinion before offering your own.
"Swollen federal ageicies that have victimized private property owners, business owners & private
citizens in the name of environmentalism could become quite vulnerable in short order." R U
serious, Mr Mooney? I don't see any indications of vulnerability. I see signs of guilt, it is smeared
all over their faces, however with the power they have at this juncture, can anyone honestly believe
they are vulnerable, or will be anytime in the near future? Please don't misunderstand, I am willing
& expect to fight them at every step of their journey of destruction, but I will not be lulled into believing
all these matters will 'right' themselves because the truth is now known, vis a vis diabolical climate
scientists. The Left has doubled down on STUPID! Evidence is their cram-down of HC. Is the evi-
dence of the destruction to our economy of HC legislation any less catastrophic than a cram-down of
cap & tax would be? I think not. The Left will continue their current 'reign of terror' until we are able
to hobble them with massive defeats in the House in Nov 2010. In 2012 we must have even greater
impetus to CRUSH their ism/xist movement to its very core, beginning with the soft mushy fruit & con-
tinuing to the point of grinding the seed into dust. This task should require no less that a quarter century
to complete. Fortitude & education will be our only allies, for the young of each successive generation
must be instilled with the proper 'respect' for our foes.
Most have been around for over twenty years, a couple in the area have their origins back to the Indiana Territory days (1800-1816). Kind of predates the Tea Parties by 200yrs.
Many of these so called "right-wing" militia are not "right-winged", they are their own little group/s and they range from those who are separatists to religious zealots (of many different faiths & cults) to Communists revolutionaries to Environmentalists/Eco Terrorists to people who just want to be left alone.
So once again the assmonkey troll has missed its mark
More like a closet teabagger. After all isn't the left the same group of people who inspire sexual freedoms and diversity?
Anderson Cooper was yelling teabagger at everyone as to be all inclusive. it seemed that he was happy to see his circle of friends might have increased so that he would be able to more fully enjoy his proclivities.
So Lisa Murkowski has a bill to stop the EPA with 35 Republicans and 3 Democrats. So where are the other six Republicans? And how do you stop the president with less than 2/3rds of both houses of congress? That's right, you can't. My advice to Ms. Murkowski is if she wants to have any input at all she needs to get on board writing an energy and climate policy. Because if she doesn't, it is just whining and the EPA will make the decisions for her.
Didn't they already try that with the Pork Flu thingy………?
ho!
good one, Deus…
'anon sequitur'…
Very clever. Well done…
That the scientists are bleeding their mia culpa in the press, that self funded mathematicians are publishing the flaws in the data, that statisticians are uncovering the games in the modeling… perhaps you should inspect the freshly fired and still smoking gun and look less at the random holes in the blood stained wall before you declare, "NO CRIME HERE — MOVE ALONG".
You found this site, put some effort into it and Google will reward you with the evidence you seek.
And yes AlistZ is very correct – Al Gore, PLEASE STFD and STFU — and while you're at it get your hand off my wallet!
Hah! you are soooo 5 minutes ago. It's "Climate Change" now, not "Global Warming". Anthropomorphic climate change (ACC) is proved by any change in climite – cooler or warmer.
Never mind that the entire physical basis for the theory – that CO2 in the atmosphere blocks solar energy to a significant degree – has never been proven in itself. But if CO2 is going up AND temperature is going up THEN CO2 is causing it. Maybe, but hardly proof.
I think you mean dust gerbals.
Acid Rain was, and to some extent remains, a serious problem. Installing scrubbers on coal smoke stacks has helped a good deal. It would have been cheaper just to use oil or hard coal from the west instead of soft dirty coal from Kentucky. Politics involved I suspect.
Ozone hole probably a natural phenomenon. Hasn't changed much no matter how many clorofloral carbons emitted. No money in it anyway.
Cornpone is right…"double down on Stupid" is the left's current m.o. They won an election, you know, and they are so excited about that that their "don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up" way of life has gone into hyperdrive!
Gore should have to answer for his snake oils selling salesman like tactics. Of course at the same time, he was selling to a willing (Left wing gullible) fan base that never actually seemed to challenge him, as he zipped around on his private jet telling us the evil we were doing.
there is no sense in researching something that isn't happening.
There are 7 billion reasons / year.
A flaw in the data does not invalidate the theory. It gets fixed and we move on. I am confident that if man made greenhouse gases are not causing the planet to warm it will become obvious to all of us because the climate scientists will point it out. Until then, it is going to take more than a few stolen e-mails or angry bloggers to change my mind.
Science with no room for questions is not science and we CAN'T do it again and again and again!
East Anglia lost me when they reported the original data was scrapped or otherwise unavailable. One of the key aspects of any scientific experiment's validity is whether or not it can be replicated – that is to say anyone can run the same experiment and get the same results. For that reason, original data is ALWAYS widely available unless it is proprietary, involves privacy, or other ethical issues are involved. Ethics is involved alright, but not with the data.
Still running away?
Why won't you tell everyone how wrong you were on the Health-Care law…??
Since you won't stick to the subject at hand…
Kind of screwed that comment up. Can't type and conspire over the phone with my fellow right-wing terrorists at the same time.
Are we going back to "Global Cooling"…??
anon isn't the only Prog Lib that can't stay on the original subject…
Anus is into drive-by commenting. Can't stick around for any retort.
mikey, long time no hear from…!!!
Should have been MUCH longer…
Sorry, no more "warm", "cold", "warm", "cold", "warm", "cold", "warm", "cold" business from you Lib Progs…you're nailed…
Wear a coat or put on shorts…but any more "Chicken Little", and we'll just point and laugh even more…run away, the wind is blowing around a leaf….!!!!
Your wasting your time with this smurf (blue troll). He(?) has gotten "progressively" worse over time. Dumb? Disingenuous? Willfully ignorant? Whatever, should be renamed Mikatrollah…
it was the dust bunnies thing…
This twit brags about his accounting degree and Big Ten college as if THAT were somehow the mark of a man. The Big Ten ain't squat, and accountants are a dime a dozen.
But dust bunnies would most likely scare the stuffing out of them!
Nothing to add here but a +1. Well put, great post…
Mik is worried that all those carbon credits he(it?) has been collecting, will soon be as worthless as he(it?) is.
"But if CO2 is going up AND temperature is going up THEN CO2 is causing it. Maybe, but hardly proof."
So…CO2 HAS been rising, and global temps HAVE stayed stable or fallen… CO2 does NOT drive climate change as the models predicted. Regardless, the legislation controlling CO2 emissions and relieving the populace of both money and power, moving both to DC, will proceed as planned. It's not as if the Dems, er, think about these things. They're busy saving the world!
What is scary is that the people of the world don't know that it is tax dollars funding the AGW scam! The skeptics were accused of being funded by big oil! No mainstream news media outlet pointed out that the alarmists were being funded by the infinite funds of tax collectors. In the US, the Democrat Political Party has been supporting the scam with the leadership of ex-VP Al Gore! Obama has joined the scam with his hiring of scientific morons in his administration. Even NASA's Hansen has been accused of incompetence by his former NASA boss! The AGW story is socialist political movement hiding behind JUNK SCIENCE and STUPIDITY. The politicians involved in this scam should be prosecuted for racketeering!
Ever watch old Westerns, where the 'snake oil' salesman passed through town & hood-winked
some folks? Very seldom was he chased down to be hanged in the square at high noon, neither
will these guys be. 'Let the buyer beware'. Seems like there's a Latin thingy to that effect also.
Caveat Emptor !
Lf, next will be food shortages, already in progress, just not publicized as yet.
I forward the motion that from here on out, in the interest of economy of words, no more shall we use he(it?), he/she or he/she/it when discussing trolls. They should all just be referred to as "shit".
Mik is worth something… see:
http://www.coolquiz.com/trivia/explain/docs/worth...
He's probably one of those wussbag metrosexuals. He'd more than likely wet himself, if he ever met me, or you.
I always remind the eco-fascists that it wasn't called the Carboniferous Period for nothing — atmospheric CO2 was >3000++ (385 today).
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Great idea there. We could hunt these tofu eaters down and harvest their organs. I'll probably have to, in order to pay my new taxes.
What's funny is that BG had it as one of their top headlines for awhile.
Not to mention there is no tea party group anywhere in America that would be plotting to kill police officers.
Why do you keep calling those leftist Christian loons Tea Partiers?
Just because your beloved MSM isn't covering it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Hell, the very CRU scientists are the ones out there giving interviews destroying their credibility.
The theory cannot be proved is what invalidates the theory.
Eugene D Richard predicted the coming cooling period years ago based on his theory of the Earth's magnetic field controling the heating and cooling of the interior of the earth wich is then transferred to the surface. The greenhouse gasses in the atmoshphere are irrelevent.
http://www.earthsgeomotor.com/
Possibly a dry run. I'm thinking the results were not what they were hoping for. This only means they will have to introduce a different virus. The trick is finding a virus that doesn't put the population in jeopardy and yet creates enough fear and chaos as to afford them the freedom/justification to declare something close to martial law.
Plainly, it bothers warmthers that everyone is paying attention to them, hence the endless laughingstocks they've become.
What's funny, is that while you were foaming at the mouth, Warmthers became a fringe cult.
You are right, all the info is there on the net for all to see — how come the pinheads at the IPCC can't get this? Al Gore is just stupid, we know.
CO2 levels were > 3000 in the Carboniferous Period 350 million years ago. It is now only 385 ppm erratic trend line steadily downward; at/near an all time low today; as is the average global temperature of 56 F, going back 500 million years. No causal linkage to CO2.
We are still in the Pleisticine ice age, in an interglacial period, with more biodiversity than ever. They airbrushed out the medieval warming period to make their lies fit.
Question: is there anything they won't do?
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Yeah, because if the EPA wants to do whatever the hell it wants, in turn destroying the economy, simply to be vindictive for Congress dropping Cap and Trade like a hot coal, that is perfectly OK.
Makes sense, if your a communist.
I think there are those that have bought into the carbon credit exchanges and there could well be class action lawsuits coming soon. Just well founded speculation from some of the financial newsers.
I think that is one reason he is clinging to his global warming fraud — he must now deny deny deny.
[...] the truth! See yet again global warming has been brought to the light as a sham! It was never about save the planet it was about power and control period. Why don’t you ask [...]
The warming killed the ozone hole. Apparently it comes and goes. Liberals take credit for healing the ozone by banning flourocarbons. (but by their own calculations, such reversal was impossible).
Currently, I worry about all the trapped carbon still buried in inside the womb of the earth yearning to be free. After all, that's where it started out, and where mother Earth wanted it to be, before the dinosaurs wrecked the planet.
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I'm not sure who MSM is, but if you google "climategate" you won't find any press releases after 15 December 2009… even from FoxNoose.
A good stiff prison sentence might be a good idea coupled with restitution of their ill-gotten gains.
Class actions would be a good idea. How about criminal charges for lying to congress and to the American people? I'm not a litigator; only a tax lawyer, and not sure how well these would fly. However, there should be a law that allows it, if there isn't one now.
Yes, and we are already dead. This current scare is all a figment of our collective imaginations.
As soon as you address the leftist whack job who was arrested for death threats against eric cantor and his family in pennsylvania………..
Global Cooling is the new warming, dude.
Among many frauds by the IPCC, the most egregious — in 1990 they stopped using data from 75% of the 6000 global thermometers they had used for the previous 50 years to attain the average earth temperature. And, you guessed it, they removed all the cold ones.
Viola … Global warming! … for those not familiar, I am not kidding you, it's really that bad. That's how these criminals got "global warming".
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So because of his joke you think Clinton is a climate change denier? I think you have confused an attempt at a joke at the annual Gridiron Dinner for a policy discussion. That is what presidents do at the dinner… they poke fun.
" I am confident that if man made greenhouse gases are not causing the planet to warm it will become obvious to all of us because the climate scientists will point it out."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
Right. Wildeyed ideological fanatics like Jimmy Hansen and gravy-train whores like Michael Mann will voluntarily end their careers with an "Oops. Never mind."
undoubtedly. Perhaps he'd be more composed if running into us; we appear FAR more benign than we are. You, on the other hand would put an instant scare into the poor sod and he would most likely lose both bowel and bladder control for an extended period…
You need to keep up, extinct pachyderm. The FOIA confirmation of the fact, long suspected, that GISS has been deliberately faking the temperature data has come out just in the last month.
We can all see the man behind the curtain, so stop trying to tell us to pay him no attention.
The Antarctic ozone hole is closing. Some scientists predict that this should make the Antarctic warmer. The ice extent in 2007 exceeds the maximum which was observed by Captain Cook 200 years ago.
http://blog.cleantechies.com/2010/01/26/closing-h...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,2519...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vi...
Scroll down to graph of sea ice extent.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/...
If she wants to have any input, she should start agreeing with the people who are pushing AGW?
Those may be the only names you are aware of, but there are hundreds of climate scientists… any of whom would love to become famous by being the person who "exposed the climate myth". If there is evidence out there that disproves the theory they will find it.
LOL- you might be onto something there!
"Hide the decline" refers to something much worse, for the AGW crowd.
The tree ring data indicates the temperature should have been declining steadily since 1970.
That calls into question using tree ring data as a temperature proxy. Ever.
I recommend reading:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
According lab experiments, some species do better, some worse. But the earth is still here even though CO2 was several times higher millions of years ago.
http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=529...
Ah…
You don't get it. Al Gore…the face of Global Warming Theory…has become nothing more than the butt of a joke.
You obviously can't get the connection.
Murkowski has publicly acknowledge that climate change exists and has even said we need to take action. She hasn't supported any legislative action because her base would probably give her a primary if she did. But to deny the existence of climate change would make her look foolish.
http://murkowski.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Po...
You mean like Richard Lindzen? Bjorn Lomborg? Fred Singer? Roger
Pielke? Roy Spencer? These climate scientists have been doing so for
some time, and only received slander and blackballing from the entrenched
AGW Industry for their efforts.
Face it: \”Climate Science\” today is rather more like Stalinist agronomy
than science.
You mean like Richard Lindzen? Bjorn Lomborg? Fred Singer? Roger
Pielke? Roy Spencer? These climate scientists have been doing so for
some time, and only received slander and blackballing from the entrenched
AGW Industry for their efforts.
Face it: \”Climate Science\” today is rather more like Stalinist agronomy
than science.
CO2 doesn't block anything. What is does is absorbs reflected solar energy and then radiates heat in all directions. It is not a literal greenhouse where heat is trapped in a confined space. Perhaps this nomenclature is why people appear so misinformed…
It's a curse I've learned to live with, though it has come in handy at times. A long while back, my younger brother had his car stolen from the school parking lot. He was able to identify a possible suspect. I paid the young lad a visit and described to him the ramifications of the situation. The next day, the car was back in the lot, washed, waxed, and full of gas.
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