ObamaCare: Running for Rushmore?
by Ken Blackwell and Ken Klukowski“Ever since Teddy Roosevelt first called for reform in 1912, seven presidents — Democrats and Republicans alike — have taken up the cause of reform time and time again,” President Obama said in a statement hailing the Christmas Eve Senate vote to take over 1/6 of the nation’s economy. “Such efforts have been blocked by special-interests lobbyists who have perpetrated the status quo that works better for the insurance industry than it does for the American people.”
Note the date of TR’s “calling” for reform. It’s 1912. Nationalized health care was part of the platform of the Progressive Party that year and every year thereafter. Americans are more familiar with the name Theodore himself gave to that third party bid. After being shot by a would-be assassin in Milwaukee, TR said it takes more than a single bullet to stop a Bull Moose. Instantly, the colorful sobriquet was applied to the Progressive Party.
What did Theodore himself think of his new-found allies, the Progressives? He was sincerely committed to reform. And he certainly thought he had been cheated out of the Republican Party presidential nomination in 1912. After all, he had won all the state party primaries in the limited number of states that held them. But TR also recognized that some of his Progressive supporters went over the top. For them, he coined the wonderful phrase, “the lunatic fringe.”
TR did not want to wage war against wealth, only against the abuse of wealth. He termed the plutocrats of his time “malefactors of great wealth.” In modern terms, TR was for jailing the Bernie Madoffs and freeing the Bill Gateses. TR understood that economic growth was essential to modern industry. He protected our natural resources—more than any previous president—but you could count him among those who stood for conservation. He believed America’s treasury of natural beauty could be conserved for future generations while enabling Americans of his own time to responsibly use and replenish their nation’s bounteous resources.
Today, it would be fair to say the lunatic fringe is in charge. The healthcare bill just passed in the Senate is a hodge-podge of giveaways and bribes. Why should Nebraska not pay Medicaid costs imposed by her senior senator on 49 others states? And why should Nebraska citizens be forced to pay for abortions in New York and California?
President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency has issued an “endangerment ruling” on carbon dioxide. What must this ultimately mean for American industry? For the American population? Every human being discharges carbon dioxide into the atmosphere by the simple act of breathing. Can it be that Everyone Pollutes the Atmosphere?
Theodore Roosevelt could rightly be called America’s first “pro-family” president. He studied the Census Bureau statistics. He was deeply concerned about rising divorce rates and lowering birth rates. He understood that healthy children raised by loving, married parents were the true source of a nation’s strength. On a train trip to the West Coast, TR welcomed crowds of farm families that swarmed to meet the president. He praised them for bumper crops of wheat, corn, oats, and barley. But mostly, he welcomed a bumper crop of healthy American children. Among the majestic redwoods of California, he refused to speak until tacky billboards were removed from the stand of ancient trees TR regarded almost as a sacred grove. When will we have another president who is not only a tree-hugger, but also a baby-kisser?
The recent economic meltdown began in the housing industry. David Goldman, a savvy Wall Streeter, has written in First Things that young families with dependent children are the drivers of the home mortgage industry. And the U.S. has no more of these today than we had in 1969. This is the source of the real economic crisis. Theodore Roosevelt would certainly understand this.
How unfortunate that President Obama takes his inspiration from TR’s greatest error. Roosevelt was wrong to run on a platform that called for socialized medicine. He was even wrong to run at all in 1912. His Bull Moose candidacy fatally split the Republican majority and allowed the election of the disastrous Woodrow Wilson as a minority president. Nonetheless, for his undoubted achievements—including a Nobel Peace Prize awarded-imagine this—for actually making peace—TR deserves his place on Mount Rushmore. Will President Obama’s lunatic fringe demand he be placed there, too?
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The more things change the more they stay the same!
A turd by any other name still smells like sh!t.
Wonder if being a "loon" will be covered under Obamacare? Lunatic fringe describes the Democratic party what with all the fringe benefits they and their states recieved for voting yes on this POS legislation.
HC reform is a war on the working poor and lower middle class, because they have no seat any where. Business is looking to lower cost by any means necessary and government is looking to grow the welfare state and shift cost from their supporters. The only people who can’t buy their way out of this mess now or in the future are the working lower class. The people they all claim to help.
Why are the borders not controlled and illegals sent home?
This the first step in HC reform to do anything else punishes the working class.
To even consider putting this man, this joke, this puppet on Mt Rushmore is insulting. There is no comparison btwn BHO and George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or A. Lincoln. You want to talk about crossing the line with the people let the zombies push for this and see chaos unfold!
BHO will go down in history with the likes of other failed Presidents like Carter, GWB, Nixon etc. his first year in office is a clear indicator of what his 1 term will be like. The country is in a mess b/c the ppl are voting for the wrong reasons. They don't treat it like a job interview they treat it like a popularity contest and this time one would hope they have all learned their lesson. But the real question is what will the country be like by '12? Time is running out for Americans if the country continues to run in the direction it has been on, things are now coming to a head and is why so much is now out in the open they cannot be hidden anymore, yet the lunacy of DC fringe media and their special interest groups keep going like that annoying Energizer Bunny commercial. Do not underestimate the zombies they put the majority of scum into office, don't assume '10 election is a done deal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RohAri15ogc
Unconventional tactics are needed to turn things around… how is the emailing, letter writing, faxes, protests working out for you America? Time to turn the heat up through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Why does reform always have to come with a form of lunacy? If ever we need reform it would be about now.
Reform-1 a : to put or change into an improved form or condition b : to amend or improve by change of form or removal of faults or abuses
2 : to put an end to (an evil) by enforcing or introducing a better method or course of action
3 : to induce or cause to abandon evil ways <reform a drunkard>
Why is it reform has never taken us back to the original documents of our Forefathers? Now is the time for us to limit our government as the Founders of our nation intended. Are we as a people finally able to see this and move in the true direction of reform? I pray to God we are.
Obama on Mt. Rushmore? No way. Under it would be appropriate.
I agree – a reformation to principles of a Constitutional Democratic Republic is in order, its what the left fears most, it means an end to the entitlement nation they have been building since the 20's
He can be on Mount Rushmore, all he has to do is hire a plane, take a low pass and jump at the appropriate moment.
I wish him luck on that.
I do see Obama being on Mount Rushmore, but it reminds me of a movie picture that I saw about the end of the world with the "Statue of Liberty" (A Babylonian Deity) with her arm sticking up out in total ruins with the total destruction of New York, New York! I'm not in any way brilliant, but I do know that America will never survive such political correctness!
Rushmore is a joke. The 4 men depicted on the monument would've been the last people to approve of such a thing. Barack Hubris Obama, on the other hand, would be all for it. So I say chisel the other Presidents off and give Obama the whole mountain.
another problem not addressed
The battle is who pays and why? This all started the day it was said only doctors can give medical care for the public good. They trashed capitalism and my constitutional rights to treat myself and or from those I choose.
The illegals aren't sent home because they represent a brand spanking new voting constituency for the left, especially since ObaMao has alienated seniors, independents and will soon be turning off young people when they find out how much they'll be forced to pay for health insurance they don't want, particularly since they'll be forced to cover for the great unwashed who can't afford to buy it themselves. Additionally, we'll all be paying the health care premiums for union workers and federal workers and ObaMao has just added 111 new Federal agencies of pencil pushers with guaranteed health insurance paid for by us.
It's interesting that we're talking about Teddy Roosevelt and Barack Obama, as Roosevelt was the president who began the Progressive experiment while Obama is the president who carries Progressive policies finally over the cliff. America's next president is as likely as not to take the country completely off the Progressive plan altogether, whether by design or by necessity. We are bankrupt and by 2013 the Chicoms will reach the end of their patience with us.
You can leave TR up there with him.
What would nationalized health care look like if it was designed by TR? We really don't know. We do know that the nationalized health care this administration is pushing is a nightmare!
Yes BO and his cronies are using union tactics to get re-elected. Amnesty is wanted by him and business and the h@#@$$ with working people and what is right and lawful. illegals drain this country of billions if not trillions of dollars.
2010 is far from a done deal. This all started with those Fabian Socialists a long time ago and they've had over a 100 years to infest every segment of society and government. It may already be too late to use normal means and I'm sure they're pushing hard to provoke a push back that will give them an excuse to suspend some of our Consitutional rights if not all of them.
Just wait until they squeeze Barrys head between FDR and Abe Lincoln.
Old Abe'll have second thoughts about that emancipation thingey…………….
The aim of Obamacare – as advanced in this ruse of this ridiculous 'healthcare bill' – is not to extend helathcare coverage to the 'uninsured' (many uninsured BY CHOICE!) but rather to EXPAND GOVERNMENT CONTROL.
He seeks a FDR / LBJ like entitlement legacy – FDR the "New Deal" – LBJ the "Great Society" and now Obama with his "Great Big Scam" truly lofty aspirations for a nobody from nowhere wth tenuous ties to the United States at best.
You might have a point there. Self aggrandizment probably wasn't at the top of the list for those guys. Except that:
Washington conscientiously followed the Cincinnatus model.
Teddy did like to burnish his "Rough Rider" reputatiion.
I don't know about the other two and their egos.
Obama would need a moutain the size of Mt. Everest for his statue.
Thank-you for reminding me of the uncorruptable nature of Teddy. One tires of only remembering his expansionist tendencies. Teddy beleived in big government held in check with a big stick. Like so many benevolent big government supporters, I beleive he too forgot the truism our Founding Fathers knew so well. Once the butcher of reform leaves the farm, the sty refills with swine. Big government will always have that pungent bouquet
TR can be forgiven about socialized medicine. In his day, the world still believed in communism as a viable paradise of equality. Since then we've seen socialism fail everywhere it's been tried and we've seen how socialized medicine in Canada and England has failed and how their version of the SEIU controls things.
We should start another carved-stone-mountain for the losers who've done our country wrong. Let's start with just the 20th C. — Wilson, Roosevelt, Kennedy/Johnson, Carter and Obama.
"Planet of the Apes"
good point about the Fabian society; however they are just the willing dupes of even more Machiavellian masters. The accepted shorthand is The Powers That Be (TPTB). Without getting overly conspiritorial, this 'shadow government' is robbing the worl'd wealth and ready to impose draconian shortages.
We are now wise to all this. Their panic is palpable, as the polls show. So, they will either lose at the voting booth or- well, the next 'crisis' is probably not ver far away, then- is it?
It is clear BHo is out to crash the dollar and force us to live under a one world currency. I pray to God I am wrong, but it is patently obvious we cannot survive anothe three years of the treasonus attack on our economy.
Members of this admisistration often quote people like Saul Alinsky, Cloward and Pvien the very people who have created the blueprint for tearing down the hated free market system. What else could explain what is being systematically done to this country?
When the Fabians were founded, IN ENGLAND, there were no "powers that be" pulling their strings, nor anything else that you talked about.
Today, there is no such society; just those whom we can say are Fabians, by what they say, do, and believe in.
You left off Clinton; he too belongs on Mt. LOSER.
The worst president in US history period. Cant wait for the supreme spin and glowing accolades When his term is over. The left will be tripping all over themselves to make sure the first black president is shown as the greatest president this country has ever had. To even say otherwise will be branded as a hate crime and most certainly racist.
"Old Abe'll have second thoughts about that emancipation thingey….."….Good one Cowboy!!! LOL!
Sorry. but that mountain isn't big enough for both his ears! He is dreaming if he thinks he deserves anything at all!
Clinton's just a small time grifter, not even worth an honorable mention on Mt. Loser.
no, just the incipient world Marxist revolution and the Rothschilds and fellow illuminists, that's all.
Now, the Fabians are little different than the Obamites are in this country.
wise up…
I think you have forgotten the 8 long, miserable years of Clinton.
Right out of the bat, during his first year, he had Congress push through THE largest, unConstitutional, retroactive tax increase.
He refused the take bin Laden, thrice, when he was offered him on a silver platter, because nobody, least of he, could think up a valid, "criminal" ( as in our kind of laws for petty thieves, muggers, or even arsonist type of crime reason ) to do so.
He committed perjury, as well as outright lying, ON T.V., to the American populace and the world.
Okay, so these things and more, don't reach the levels of Wilson, FDR, or Kennedy and Johnson, but they are on the same level as Carter.
Investor’s Business Daily opines, this is an invitation to fraud:
A new report from the Treasury Department’s Inspector General for Tax Administration counts 56 tax provisions in the bill having a potential cost of $325 billion. Of those, 20 are tax breaks for individuals and 36 are for businesses. The problem, the Inspector General says, is the IRS can’t verify taxpayer eligibility “for the majority of Recovery Act tax benefits and credits.” For individual taxpayers, 13 of the 20 benefits and credits can’t be verified; for businesses, it’s 26 of 36. …To suggest, as Treasury does, that the biggest chunk of the $325 billion in stimulus package tax breaks can’t be adequately followed violates the pledges of openness and fairness made when the stimulus was passed last February. As the government-stimulus-oversight Web site, recovery.gov, notes, last year’s package “requires that taxpayer dollars spent under the Act be subject to unprecedented accountability.” W e wouldn’t call being unable to verify upwards of two-thirds of the $325 billion handed out as “unprecedented accountability.” Sounds more like an invitation to fraud, all at the expense of the taxpayers
You mean, because he thought about doing so much.
Please remove the full body tinfoil and remember to also shuck the far too tight hat!
There hasn't been any Illuminati for centuries, the Communist/Bolshevik Revolution went on at the height of the Fabians, which is still a group in England. The Fabians were and still are SOCIALIST, but ones who believed in incrementalism. One of their their positions was "social justice"; they just didn't mean it the same way Rev. Wright, Van Jones, and Obama does.
Obama wants things to be done immediately; in that way, he isn't anything at all like Fabians ( original, ones or modern day ones ), ecept that he too is a Socialist.
How abou this – If all Obamby wants is his skull on Mt. Rushmore we can offer him immortality if he leaves office immediately. That would be the truly historic thing that would earn him his spot. All he has to do is quit and admit that he wasn't the statist for the job.
OBumbler has already been on Mt. Rushmore. Greenpeace activists put his smug mug up there on a poster, saying real leaders so something or rather. Had to do with global warming. Anyway, the losers (greenpeace) were hauled off in handcuffs (it was great) and charged with a federal crime if I remember correctly.
Thankfully, I don't think they can add anyone without doing serious damage to the original sculpture.
I reccomend they put Obamas head underneath the other heads at 20% the size, that would be cool
I haven't forgotten the Clinton years, but he was saved from doing permanent damage by the Republican congress he enjoyed for most of of his presidency, so his tawdry shenanigans didn't plunge us into disarray the way the other losers did.
Carter may not have done palpable damage, but he sent us into a feeling of deep national despair and helplessness. If Reagan hadn't come along when he did, we might not have been able to snap out of it.
Also 9/11 and our beloved President Bush rising to greatness when it was pressed upon him, showed Clinton up for the adolescent egomaniac he is. Bubba's place in history is the one he would most abhor — well deserved irrevelance .
The Illuminati has become the "Council of Foreign Affairs," but they are not dead!
You've completely redeemed yourself and I agree with what you just posted.
HORSEFEATHERS !
What next, you'll quote some blood libel from "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION"?
I LOVE IT!!! How True! Unfortunately, no one will ever stop this progressive movement until the end of the human movement (era)!
Chicago thug politics at it's best!!!
Now it's our turn to live with failure!
you don't have to throw the Protocols out there to believe that Weishaupt was successful in infiltrating the masonic orders. Juts because you do not tbelieve doesn't make it so.
No 'tinfoil hats' here friend- just some possibilities that one would be foolish to discount…
Unfortunately, You are 100 % right! However, this whole Progressive Movement actually was started by our forefathers e.g., the 3 rd degree Masons George Washington, Thomas, Jefferson, John Adams, on and on. Don't forget the Illuminati member, Ben Franklin, without who this country would not even got started!
The more I listen to Fox News, the more I say that the Democrats have to impeach Obama, etc., or this has been a successful government take-over!
As they say, great minds think alike ;-}
He'd prefer they put his ass up there…………………………………………….so we can all kiss it.
Why would Democrats impeach Obama? He's one of them.
might be enough room for Michelle's butt on mt. everest
You betcha !
'facts' can be funny things…
That which you mention is A story. Is it 'the' story? Not so fast. The appeal of the Illuminati and their Babylonian gods was fairly widespread and shares many parallels with kabbalism. So, too is the masonic 'secrets'.
Namely pantheism. Big deal there. There are many in the internationalist circle
that want complete control. To deny that is to be a fool…
Sure…..put Barry up on Rushmore! A 5'x5' papier-mache visage wedged in there between Washington's
left ear and Jefferson's right eye. Wrap it with Saran to help it weather the elements……but it probably
won't last through his historic administration. By no means deface any granite!
Obama is a sick con. The people behind him are sick cons. They are rushing things through because they know they are wrong.
Just remember a good deal today will be a good deal tomorrow. Their's is not a good deal period.
The Masons aren't pantheists; they believe that as long as a man believes in God ( they don't refuse membership to a Jew or a Baptist, or any other religion, based on his belonging to that religion ) and is a good person, he is eligible to join Free Masonry. It is this tolerance, which was part of the root of the Catholic Church's condemnation. Catholic European monarchs went after the Masons first ( especially Maria Theressa, who was a strident anti-Semite, as well as an anti-Protestant ), pestering the Pope to say something bad about the Masons.
Babylonian gods in Free Masonry?
YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR MIND !
If a realistic image of Obama were ever put on Mr. Rushmore, it would be the backside of his lap.
I'd head there with a brand new sledge hammer.
Even if the lunatic fringe demanded that ODumbo was placed on there, there ertainly would be the other 85% of the population send dynamite to take it down afterwards.
The truly ignorant person, here, is you !
You imagine that I got my info from Wiki? That's hysterically funny, so funny and benighted, that I'm trying to restrain myself from laughing as hard as I feel the need to.
Listen, you gullible, tinfoil covered conspiracy believer, I've known about Free Masonry all of my life, as I come from a Masonic family.
I started reading all about ( and I do mean all about ! ) the Illuminati long before the internet was used by the general public, computers took up large rooms, and you ever even knew that word; close to 45 years ago.
The Kabbalah is studied by ALL Rabbis, taught in Jewish Seminaries, and has been for more than a millenia. It's not anything like the touchy-feely crapola that Madona and others are "studying" now. Neither does it deal with Bab
Even in the stone images of Mt. Rushmore there is more genuine character and concern than I've ever seen on the Great Pretender.
it is you who are the gullible one, friend…
you make claims based on your own VERY narrow worldview and than demand absolutism. Being from Freemasonry means little. They don't share their vaunted secrets with the 'little people', and that includes 32 degree. Did you know that the UN is based on Luciferian concepts and that these same constructs are the underpinning of the other esoterica we mentioned? That the sacred geometry of Solomon's Temple is both Babylonian and kabbalistic in it's origins? That Isis, Ra, and Horus all loom large in their pantheon?
Or do you care? having an open mind and seeking the truth means that just because something is being 'pushed' doesn't make it true. And yes, your assertions are right off of the 'net and the wiki way of life. Nothing you have posited shows any enlightenment at all, just regurgitating other's thoughts.
Suffice to say that there will not be any agreement on this topic. You can toss around purile insults and all that does is make you seem even smaller than you already are. Grow up and learn something then come back and report…
Put stupid up there as opposed to say, the great Ronald Reagan puuu…lease!
My original reply was truncated and then, when I tried tfo post the rest, the crazy censor ( I think it must be a BOT program ) would allow it to be posted and no, I typed no vulgarities, curse words, insults, or anything objectionable.
But to make a long story short and you won't believe anything I say anyway, so I won't retype all of it, I'll simply add some of it.
I haven't posted anything "based on my own 'world view"; unlike you. I have posted facts; hard, cold, facts; nolt opinion.
Oh, so now it's not even 32 degree members who know the "secrets"? I past arguments with other anti-Masonic jerks, they've always said iut was ONLY those with a 32nd and 33rd degrees, who know ALL of the secrets. LOL
Lucky me, my relatives were 33rd degree Masons. I guess now you'll claim that they ran this country/the world/were everyone else's puppet masters. Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and I'm really the POPE.
The meaning of Illuminati, as Weisphaut claimed, was "ENLIGHTENED". If I used your methodology, I would now claim that YOU are an Illuminati, pushing your garbage, secretly sending coded messages, by posting here.
The Kabbalah was written in the Middle Ages. It was a secret compilation of "sgtuff' that Rabbis and ONLY Rabbis knew about and studied; not for the general public, most assuredly NOT for women ( and women were forbidden from reading/knowing about it until about 30 years ago ) and at the same time, Christianity had the same kind of "mysticism" going on inside and sometimes outside of the church.
I assure you that I have NOT gotten any of my info form on line sources; but it really looks as though that's exactly what YOU have done. Or maybe you get Texx Marr's pamphlets and books. Not Marr? Some other nutter's newsletter?
You're not only NOT an "expert" or an authority on any of these topics, you know less than NOTHING about even one of them. Your posts are factless, specious, and error filled.
My "world view"? What on earth are you bleating on about ?
I've posted historical facts; not opinions, not crazy tinfoil hat junk, nothing whatsoever about "world views".
If anyone needs to grow up, it's you. It's also you who needs, very badxly, to learn some actual, easily proven facts.
no facts, just blather. And all of your exhortations to the opposite just paint you the narrow minded fool that you are.
Just because you regurgitate 'a story' doesn't make it a fact.
It has been pointed out to you the so-called 'secrets' of freemasonry. You choose to ignore all salient points and continue with your defense of freemasons just because you are related to them.
You aren't the only one. We have not only masons but heir predecessors the Templar Knights in our bloodlines. BFD.
Your take on history is flawed. Period. Funny how YOU know who Texe Marrs is…
and you have shown no 'world view' of your own at all. So, pat yourself on the back if you like.
We are certainly not impressed…
Heck, I'll even help him hire the plane.
I know who Texx Marrs is because I was sent two of his newsletters, UNASKED FOR, out of the blue, about 18 years ago, long before I was on any online sites ( not that that would have given away my address or name or any other info ), which was probably some kind of weird outreach.
Funny that YOU know the name and even the correct spelling of his name. A subscriber/follower of his, aren't you ? Your posts sure sound like the garbage he sent me, all those many years ago.
Oh gee, what the hell is a "FACT", then? You keep calling what I post "a story". You claim that you know and have pointed out what the super secret "SECRETS" of the Masons are, yet you haven't posted a single one !
I'll tell you something………………nobody is "impressed" by anything you have posted to this thread, except for the one person who shares your delusional, libelous, error filled opinion.
You regurgitate falsehoods, lies, and utter an d complete myths about people and organizations you know less than nothing at all about, but then impugn me, me, who have stated facts.
You don't know one, not even one fact about Free Masonry.
Perhaps some distant relative of yours was a Mason, but I bet her wasn't a 33rd degree one and he never took tou to any functions, nor told you what he could about Masonry. Pity that.
Fairy tales………………..that's all you've spun; dark, malignant ones and called them "fact".
That's 20th + 10.
And by the way there's a pretty good chance JFK would have turned out better than Johnson. It is almost unthinkable he would have let Viet Nam go down the bureaucratic path where LBJ took it. He was a genuine war hero (though the PT-109 story may have been embellished a bit) and a man of action, and (I think) a true leader. And probably to the right of George Bush, as many here have commented.
I agree with you and 1redcent, Clinton was just a small time grifter, and restrained by the Republicans from achieving full Loser status.
I want to see his passport!!
I meant O can be left up there with TR only. Since he was a progressive…(not Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln, they were great men), just Teddie. He was one of the original Progressives. Though he would not side himself with the Progressives of today because he considered their kind loons, he still strayed from the Constitution. That takes him out of greatness for me, he use to be one of my greatest hero's until I found this out. To this day I don't think many people are aware that fact. It has only been within the last year I figured that out.
I think RobertB was just being sarcastic about BO…and I played on it. Sarcasm is so lost on many here…
Oh and I forgot, there is a small group that want to believe in conspiracies instead of mans intrinsic evil heart. IMHO again!
well, you certainly are a devotee of freemasonry.
As you might tell we aren't so much. We know about Mr Marrs because when one seeks the truth one finds many avenues. Not impressed with him, either.
The secrets? Once again, that the god of the old testament is not the True Creator, that this is Lucifer's realm- as Albert Pike said (you DO know who Pike is, don't you?) and that man can be as gods.
Told you that before. The same beliefs that are held by the ancients- and advanced through the so-called 'secret societies'.
You impugn yourself with your lack of both decorum, and your blowhard assertions that somehow, your 'story' is the pentultimate truth- when it is simply either masonic propaganda or misstatements.
Look, nothing more is to be gained by this. It is apparent we not only disagree but don't like each other much to boot.
Life is too short to have such negatives. Let's just agree to disagree and try not to engage each other in the future…
the Left have been waiting a LONG time for the stars to align for this, and a great many other freedom-grabbing policies. it's about control. it's about power. they do not have our interests in mind.
Sarcasm?
Snip … “Such efforts have been blocked by special-interests lobbyists…"
Some people refer to these as special interest groups as US citizens.
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JFK was a disaster as president. Had he not been assassinated, he would have lost his bid for re-election ! He was in Dallas, that fateful day for one reason and one reason only; to try to get Texans to want to vote for him., Even with the corrupt LBJ as VEEP, Daley and the Mafia running the dcead and nonexistent votes in Il., he wasn't going to get those states. So no, one more year as president wasn't going to see any improvement from him. Hell, even the New York Times kept blasting him for being inept and dreadful.
LBJ kept every single JFK adviser/ former member of the JFK administration; including McNamara who lost Nam for America.
The PT109 story is a lied; a story woven of fantastical whole cloth, to make a hero out of a jerk who caused the mess and the book was NOT even "as told to", but a complete fiction written by someone else; someone not even there.
While JFK was far more to the right than any of today's Dems ( and much farther to the right of his own father ), he wasn't farther to the right than either Presidents Bush.
And yes, the GOP dominated Congress "saved" Clinton; not to mention this nation.
The Mason are, besides a social organization, a charitable one. The money they have raised has gone for wonderful things, for others, mostly the poor and middle classes, for centuries and they didn't do it for power nor pride! Today, most people don't even know anything at all about the Masons, other than the lies crazies spread about them
It doesn't seek power; though powerful men have been members.
Back in the time before people stopped engaging others, face to face, societies were formed and yes, as was the custom of the day, they were "secret"; which made them kind of "exclusive", though not really.
Free Masonry is repudiated by people who know either almost nothing to less than nothing about it, for their own personal reasons, or through mordant stupidity .
Free Masonry has nothing to do with greed, power, or anything else like that and never has.
I was waiting for Pike's name to come up. LOL
BTW……………the Masons ARE named and blamed in "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION", which you claimed I shouldn't have brought up.
You truly do not know very much, at all, about any of this, but that obviously doesn't keep you from acting as though you and only you are the ne plus ultra authority. Frankly, you are the authpority on nothing!
No, nothing more, other than you perhaps actually managing to really learn some facts, if only you choose to, could come out of this. It's far better for us to end this, so you can hunker down and believe that I'm an idiot and that you know everything, as you huddle in a corner, rocking back and forth. So be it…………………………….
It makes you somehow feel better, imagining that there are for real boogeymen out there; well, have at it.
I have to think that if Obama has his face placed on Mount Rushmore that it will be immediately defaced and destroyed. As it should be.
Don't worry about OD!LD0's face ever being carved into rock at Rushmore or elsewhere. I suspect some enterprising amateur demolition engineer would see to it that such doesn't happen.
Amen!
That was THE BEST flamewar I've have the honor of witnessing in quite some time. Not only was it passionate, it also provided several topics that demand further research on my part. Thank you, gentlemen.
Weishaupt had very few followers ( 5, to be exact ), to begin with. At its height, in mid 1700s, there were about 2,500 ( all in Bavaria ! ), some had infiltrated the Masons, but were thrown out of Free Masonry and denounced almost immediately, as they had not only not won any converts amongst the Mason, but were the butt of Masonic approbation and oustings. There were two fringe, or rogue ( non-affiliated ) Masonic Lodges, filled with Illuminatis; however, they were dissolved and the adherents scattered.
Weishaupt fled Bavaria, leaving ALL of his papers behind ( they were published, which later led, along with the fact that Weishaupt was a Jew, though he had converted to Roman Catholosism, to all kinds of future tinfoil hatted conspiracy theories ) , and died as a piriah, without any followers.
His extremely tenuous connection to Free Masonry, combined with the fact that he was born a Jew, led some tinfoilers to much later blame the French Revolution ( well after the fact that the crackpot Abbe Barruel had published a nutso pamphlet, in England, where he had fled from Frarce to, blaming it all on Masons and Jews ) on Masons and Jews, as well as on the nonexistent Illiuminati.
Masons and Jews and the Illuminatti have all been blamed for starting WWI ( not so at all………………. the Bosnian, Garvilo Princip, though a Nihilist and a member of the Black hand, was neither a Jew nor a Mason and the Russian government official who was helping the Bosnian terrorists was not a Mason nor a Jew either ), the Russian Revolution, and any number of patently ridiculous things.
Of course "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION" is relevant; see the Jewish connection above !
Commies, such as Rosa Luxemberg ( yes, another Jew, but neither a mason nor the long gone/dead Illuminati ) founded a group called THE SPARTACUS LEAGUE.
Weishaupt's nom de guerre/nickname was SPARTACUS. This led, yet again, tinfoilers to claim that Rosa and by extension, Commies were the Illuminati. NOT SO !
It's not a matter of "belief"; what I know are facts !
I'm glad that you enjoyed it, but frankly, it wasn't much of a flame war and lacked not only an equality between the sparring partner, but an absence of facts from my opponent.
I'd be more than happy to give you a book list; however the vast majority of my research material is out of print, since I bought and read many of these books are more than 40 years ago and the ones I have about the Fabians are about 30 years old. But I'll give you the tiles, if you still want them.
The Masonic Museum in N.Y. has an online site, which you might find of interest.
And unless illegal immigration is addressed and curbed, health care in any reform stands no chance. Teddy had something to say about this also:
”In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Teddy also labored under something that BHO dosen't. A public that understands that they don't choose the president, only their congressmen. We the People, have never chosen the president and barring the stupidity of changing the constitution, never will. Yes, yes I know we go through the farse of a "Presidential" election where the people pick a preference for who they would like to see, but it CARRIES NO WEIGHT! So, what should we do? How about we pay attention to who we send to congress? WOW WHAT A CONCEPT! If we do that. If we learn who is running for those jobs, and throw out all incumbents and elect people who will represent us. Especially if we the people take over the two political parties, then we will have the government our founders intended us to have. But we have got to stop treating the election p[rocess like a race for the senior class president in high school!
no, you're just ignorant. If you would get beyong wiki entries and really research these things you might think different. The great 'secrets' of masonry, the kabbalah and the illuminists is that the god of the Old Testament isn't the True Creator, that this is Lucifer's world and all part of The Fallen.
No, on second thought you are a lockstep kind of person. Forget it…
We would need a pretty large chunk of coal to put Obumma on Rushmore.
If you ask me the real conspiracy is that man's nature has an obsession with being all powerful, and all of the above groups fit these categories. I agree with you 1redcent, all fairy tales….just greed and power drives men (and women) to the same conclusion, unless they submit themselves to God their creator and it will stay that way till kingdom come. IMHO
exactly right about martial law – I believe that is the plan, when politicians act in ways they know will not result in their re-election the population should be very afraid. the fact we were not violent in d.c on 9-12-09, and there have been zero incidents at any tea party anywhere leads me to believe this admin. will create it `s own "incident" to continue the taking of the country.
That's right; good call.
Well they were related! ~
N&B – Kennedy let Cuban patriots swing in the wind because he was too chicken to send in the promised air cover; he allowed the Soviets to build the Wall in Germany; he disgraced himself in the White House by bringing in mafia call girls and even a suspected Soviet agent. His antics on the PT boat should have resulted in a court marshal, not a medal. His incompetence and cowardice caused the deaths of U.S. sailors.
I don't think Kennedy had any real political positions. He said what he was told to say and I wouldn't put his name in the same sentence as GWB.
Johnson could have done real damage, but he wasn't personally charismatic enough to overcome the anti-war factions, the media didn't cover for him and wasn't strong enough politically to ignore them all the way Obama is doing.
The Tooth Fairy has it.
Hi Victor, New York City has several nicknames, like "The Big Apple", "Sin City" and "Babylon" or "East Babylon".
It's uncanny that NYC was hit twice by two planes and the bldgs collapsed…as one of our scripture verses sez something like "Babylon, how are that you are Fallen, Fallen." Jerusalem is a city that is mentioned the most in scriptures. And, Babylon is 2nd. It would be straining the scriptures to connect these two together. The Washington Monument is really Babylonish, entirely.
There you got it, The Democrat's new slogan: "QUIT AND ADMIT!
It's really getting sickening to see Obama's face everywhere. Ins ads, back to school ads…Hopefully, one of these days the Major News Networks will wake up and tell it like it is….
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