Will Roe v. Wade Sink Obamacare? Mississippi Is Set to Find Out
by K. Douglas LeeThis past Monday, we trained our guns on the SS Obamacare; we aimed for the waterline. The smoke hasn’t yet cleared, but we’re pretty sure it’s taking on water in a big way. Our case attacking the constitutionality of Obamacare is in the federal District Court for the Southern District of Mississippi. The government filed a motion to have our case dismissed, and yesterday we filed our response, which can be found here: Response to Government’s Motion to Dismiss
Judge Keith Starret will now have to decide many issues, including whether the individual mandate is a tax or a penalty. On October 14, Florida’s Attorney General received a powerful ruling in his state’s attack on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) from the federal District Court for the Northern District of Florida. The opinion in that case says that the “individual mandate” is a penalty, not a tax. That ruling is vital, because the Constitution gives Congress a great deal of power when it comes to taxing us, but not nearly so much when it comes to penalizing us. There’s also a very old statute called the Anti-Injunction Act that the government is using as a defense, which only applies to lawsuits against taxes.
In short, the government is saying “we win because this is a tax.” The only problem is that the mandate is quite clearly not a tax. The individual mandate is simply a command by our government that each individual who does not have health insurance coverage go out and buy it, whether he or she wants it or not. This dictate is enforced with a penalty — either buy the insurance, or face the penalty. Congress specifically called this provision a “penalty” eighteen different times in Section 5000A alone; not one time in over 2,700 pages did Congress ever refer to it as a “tax.” Even President Obama has insisted that the individual mandate is not a tax.
What I really want to talk about, though, is something we constitutionalists get very excited about: the Right to Privacy. Our case is the only anti-Obamacare action that co-opts the Liberal’s sacred decision in Roe v. Wade in support of our cause.
It works like this: in order to obtain insurance, you have to apply for it, which means you have to reveal a lot of things to the insurance company and give them carte blanche to gather your medical records at will. After all, how can they possibly bill you if they don’t have access to your medical records? Obamacare thus mandates not only that you enter into a contract with an insurance corporation, it also mandates that you play by that corporation’s rules and divulge to it your most intimate and sensitive information.
Starting with Griswold v. Connecticut in 1965, the Supreme Court began to recognize that not all of the rights guaranteed by the Constitution are explicitly spelled out in the Bill of Rights, but that that various guarantees in the Bill of Rights create “zones of privacy. ” Griswold recognized that some of these privacy rights are very old, predating our country by centuries, and must therefore be considered “fundamental.” The specific issue in Griswold was the right to marital privacy:
We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights – older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred.
Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965). Similarly, the right to medical privacy is older than our Constitution, in some respects as old as Western Civilization itself. The oldest surviving example of medical privacy in Western civilization is the physicians’ duty of confidentiality formulated in the fifth century B.C. by the Hippocratic Oath, by which a physician promised: “[W]hatsoever I shall see or hear in the course of my profession, as well as outside my profession in my intercourse with men, if it be what should not be published abroad, I will never divulge, holding such things shameful to be holy secret.” Robert M. Gellman, Prescribing Privacy: The Uncertain Role of the Physician in the Protection of Patient Privacy, 62 N.C. L. REV. 255, 267-68 (1984) (quoting 1 Hippocrates 164-65 (W. Jones trans. 1923), reprinted in Ethics In Medicine 5 (S. Reiser et al. eds., 1977)).
The decision in Griswold unfortunately led to the infamous decision in Roe v. Wade, which in turn resulted in the slaughter of over 40 million innocent unborn children in our country to date. However, even though the privacy issue Roe related to abortion, the Supreme Court did not find a “right to abortion” in the Constitution. Instead, the Supreme Court’s decision created a broad “zone of privacy” that included not only abortion but more generally the right “to care for one’s health and person,” as Justice Douglas stated in his concurring opinion:
It is one thing for a patient to agree that her physician may consult with another physician about her case. It is quite a different matter for the State compulsorily to impose on that physician-patient relationship another layer or, as in this case, still a third layer of physicians. The right of privacy – the right to care for one’s health and person and to seek out a physician of one’s own choice protected by the Fourteenth Amendment - becomes only a matter of theory, not a reality, when a “multiple physician approval” system is mandated by the State.
Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1971) (Douglas, J., concurring).
Clearly, the PPACA interferes with each person’s right to “care for one’s health and to seek out a physician of one’s own choice” as each individual sees fit. Notice also that Justice Douglas was not just concerned about privacy outside of the physician-patient arena (such as when insurance companies receive private medical information), he was concerned that the government not be allowed to impose additional physician-patient relationships on a person. In other words, even forcing a person to divulge private medical information to a doctor not of her own choosing was deemed untenable by Justice Douglas – to force a person to divulge private medical information to an insurance corporation certainly is even more untenable from a constitutional standpoint.
Medical treatment providers gather together the most private details of our lives, details that could be devastating to a patient’s personal, social, and professional life if revealed to third parties. The government contends that we can trust insurance companies because those corporations must abide by HIPPA. Indeed, an individual who believes that the Privacy Rule is not being upheld can go through the complex process of filing a complaint with the Department of Health and Human Services Office for Civil Rights (OCR). However, according to the Wall Street Journal, the OCR has a long backlog and ignores most complaints. “Complaints of privacy violations have been piling up at the Department of Health and Human Services. Between April 2003 and Nov. 30, the agency fielded 23,896 complaints related to medical-privacy rules, but it has not yet taken any enforcement actions against hospitals, doctors, insurers or anyone else for rule violations.” Theo Francis Spread of records stirs fears of privacy erosion, Wall Street Journal, December 28, 2006. Doesn’t exactly instill a great deal of confidence in the privacy of your medical information, does it?
The beauty of using Griswold, Roe and their progeny is that the courts will have to either agree that they encompass a broad right to medical privacy, or they will have to weaken the holdings upon which the “right” to an abortion is founded. Ruling for us does not strengthen Roe, but ruling against us will weaken it.
The petitioners in our case do not want to be forced into purchasing health insurance, or forced into divulging (on a continuous basis) the most intimate, private details of their lives. Congress has seriously overstepped its bounds in dictating to us that we must do these things. We are certainly looking forward to hearing what the federal court for the Southern District of Mississippi has to say about this unprecedented — and blatantly unconstitutional — power grab by Congress.







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Just goes to show that the dims should have read obamacare before pelosi's famous statement that we have to pass it to find out what's in it. Not one federal program passed by our unesteemed congress has ever worked to the benefit of the American taxpayer.
Just a tad off thread, but it's important.
http://www.alipac.us/article5854.html
And Nevada reelected reid.
And who wants to bet when K. Douglas Lee becomes eligible for Medicare, he will be the first in line to apply and giving a long list of individuals and companies his most intimate details of his medical history? I guess he must be happy with passing the costs of his health care down to the government and the persons with health insurance. So much for the conservative principle of self-reliance.
"You can't legislate morality"? Every single law ever passed has a moral basis in it. For example "Thou shalt not murder." Why? because murder is morally wrong.
You are correct though, that you cannot impose a "one size fits all" morality on individuals. Individuals have free choice, and wiill either break the moral or natural law or abide by the same law. Yet, asking society as a whole to pay for the moral choices of the individual is, well, morally wrong. I also agree with you that it is right and proper to celebrate the demise of this crock of "government gone wrong" legislation.
"You have a right to an abortion. We, the people, have the right to not pay for it. You can't legislate morality and I am sickened by the entire argument."
"Our Constitution was made only for a MORAL and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." ~ John Adams
As these arguements come to light in the new Congress, it will be interesting to see what position each lawmaker takes. This is how governance should be. Force each Congressman take a position and then defend it. This will be the first arrow in the quiver of the voters for THEIR decision making in 2012.
"Congress has seriously overstepped its bounds "
I've seen a lifetime of it….. hasn't stopped them yet and probably won't here since we have wack-job left wing judges that make up their own laws on the spot based upon their feeeeelings…
yet another nightmare for America…where is the rule of law???? Oh that's right it only applies to the run of the mill US citizen….
EXCELLANT! That IS right and correct thinking. Well done!
Idiot.
Question for the trolls:
What's YOUR opinion of the administration's little dilemma? Is the individual insurance mandate a tax or a penalty? It HAS to be one or the other.
If it's a penalty (as the healthcare bill SAYS it is), then it's unconstitutional; if it's a tax (which Obama has denied on many occasions but – for the purposes of the legal actions – he is saying it IS a tax), then he is clearly breaking his promise not to raise taxes.
Which is it: Penalty or tax? Tax or penalty? Did he lie about tax increases (and sign off on legislation that contains lies) or did he sign off on unconstitutional legislation?
I bet I don't get a straight answer.
Thanks! That is my favorite quote from my favorite Founding Father. This poster either forgets or flat out denies that our country was built upon Judeo-Christian principles.
Thomas Jefferson put the phrase "the right to life" in the Declaration of Independence for a reason. If the unborn have no right to be born and draw their first breath, then none of us has any rights. We are now seeing Roe V Rade come full circle. Abortion on demand is a slippery slope. The government is now deciding who lives and dies by way of rationing health care.
Rainmaker is applying situational ethics and is a moral relativist.
Roe vs. Wade?
Obamacare?
They are no different than the TSA gropey, feeley program.
"Congress has seriously overstepped its bounds in dictating to us that we must do these things."
The first two dictate what we can do with out bodies.
The third one allows THEM to touch our bodies.
I hope these multi-pronged attacks on the oCare fiasco will lead to it's being brought down, like a pack
of lioness's brings down the weakest in the wildebeast herd. Happy hunting, gentlemen!
Thank Goodness there are some good lawyers on OUR side. Not one to usually have much good to say
about them, if they can figure a way to stop this awful mess about to be thrust upon us, I will sing their
praises. I only wonder how long these cases can be dragged out? I hope we have some higher court
rulings before ten years has passed.
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If people only knew the lengths that insurance companies go to to get information. It's one huge fishing expedition. Think of the authorizations you are forced to sign. They use that, carte blanche, that we hand them and your personal, private information goes through many… MANY… hands. And not hands in this country for the most part. And we wonder why identity theft is so common.
Leave it to the Prog's. They were in such a hurry to push it threw they forgot to READ the very thing they're trying to destroy .
The Constitution of the United States of America
So bo makes an assertion on conservative principles and self reliance on the baseless assumption thant he can somehow predict how someone will act/think. Genius.
Great article and interesting angle on privacy. I look forward to reading the motion.
You, sir, are much too kind in your assessment of this piece of excrement.
+Hanzo+
Speaking of infanticide("abortion"), I've noticed that everyone who has had an abortion was allowed to be born. Makes my heart rend. +Hanzo+
Again, spot on. I just read on Rassmussen Reports that 47% of Americans see our country's best days behind us. To me, that's shocking. I suspect that those that have that view are the ones that have lost touch with the basis principles of which our Founders speak. I KNOW that a return to those principles ushers in a renewed era of Freedom and prosperity. I'm looking forward to the next few years. They brought the battle to us. We'll win.
I hate to say but you may(I think are) correct
So, you're the official spokesmouth for K.Douglas now? Stick to your usual spewing of inane drivel, ok? You prove your own brand of misinformation and pure inanity on a daily basis, cretin. +Hanzo+
Or maybe it was the ILLEGALS in Nevada that elected him……
WoW Hanzo, nice observation…
… chuckle, chuckle…
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i guess roe v wade was a bad decision, but using against liberals it brilliant. because either they stand with roe, and sink obamacare, or shoot down roe, and lose abortions. i see it as a win win.
If we loose the NoBamacare battle and the TSA battle, we will lose our Republic.
Keep the heat on the progressives, let the corruption see the light of day.
I can't wait to see noblama on an episode of one of my favorite shows……….."I (almost) Got Away With It"
Why, Hanzi, does the truth hurt? So genius, who does pick up the tab for the uninsured? Think hard. Think real hard. I have a deal for K. Douglas Lee. Let's repeal the law which requires all hospitals to give emergency care to any person until they are stabilized unless they have proof of insurance. Come on, Hanzi, put your money where your mouth is.
What, self-reliance is not a conservative principle? Or better yet, I bet you believe the uninsured never get sick because it would be predicting how someone may act. Genius. Simply genius.
Hmmm……you're IQ must reside somewhere between 0.5 and zero. Either that or you're simply psychotic. Read and reread, or maybe have an adult explain your constant contradictory positions . Truth never hurts, it's quite enlightening, I suppose that's why you asked me if the truth hurts, as you wouldn't recognize truth if it hit you in the mouth with brass knuckles.
+Hanzo+
We will deal with them one at a time. First, the law is clearly constitutional. Under the Commerce Clause, Congress is given the authority to regulate commerce between the states. It is given that citizens of one state will travel to another state. If a citizen of a state gets sick in another state and does not have insurance, guess who gets to pick up the tab? As a result, Congress can impose all the penalties it deems fit and if you do not believe me, you have never taken a commercial truck across state lines. Second, if it is a tax, he is taxing the persons who are scamming the system by failing to abide by the conservative principle of self-reliance. So the persons who have insurance and are in the majority are going to shout hooray because their taxes will go down because there will be more money to pay for the deadbeats health care.
Thanks for visiting my profile. I'm soooooo flattered someone of your intellectual capacity and integrity would honor me so. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>Hanzo<
Morning my friend.
Winter is here.
We have almost a foot of snow, and it will be below zero tonight………
Sheesh.
Medicare is an insurance program. A very sucky piece of crap insurance program, but that's what it is, and we've all been forced into it and, more important, been force to pay our premiums. Therefore we can expect to get what we paid for.
"Let's repeal the law which requires all hospitals to give emergency care to any person until they are stabilized unless they have proof of insurance."
Good idea. I knew in time you'd see sense.
there you go with the word "bet" again. I should also mention also we are talking about one person and you modify the argument to suit your purpose.
1984 is upon us via Soros, Obalamma, DemoRatts and shariah AzzBots bore-wormed deep within …all on entitlements and the taxpayers' backs…all soon to be deleted permanently from our rebirthing operating system. Voting Machines are DEATH PANELS via Taxpayers…use them more aggressively next time…vote them out or revolution. The end of their madness is on the schedule. Make it so. Abort the Abortionists of Freedom and Americanism. 90 million dead infants is 1/6th the US population murdered in the name of Soros. Hillary endorsed Soros. Soros paid for Chelsea's wedding. Now it's time to demand justice.
My thoughts exactly. As Rush points out, stupid people (by the very nature of their disability) are incapable of recognizing their own condition.
Or, as Ron White points out, "You cant fix stupid. There's no pill you can take or operation you can get."
I choose which ever one leads to his impeachment!
she? It'll probably be here just in time for T-giving then. I haven't checked the long range forecast,
been too busy enjoying the last three 70 degree days, with one more on tap for today.
"…almost a foot of snow…"
Sounds like reading weather to me. I bought several of those books you mentioned a week or so
ago, when I went to 'town' here while back. Thanks for the recommendations. I gave up reading
for several years, babysitting GK's, business responsibilities, etc left me unable to enjoy it. How-
ever you and others mentioning your reading made me think about what I was missing and I am
amazed at how easily I fell back into the habit. It didn't hurt that I pretty much despise night-time tv.
Thanks for the inspiration, I appreciate it every time I crack open one of these books.
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Impeachment? You are living in a dream world.
If you get sick ANYWHERE & don't have health insurance YOU pick up the tab! I don't understand why this concept is so difficult for liberals to grasp.
LMAO Hanzo, Dang it bud I've told you before I'm a female, HA HA HA Long time ago though.
That gal is dang near young enough to be my grand daughter, but I just liked the 'tude', if you
get my drift. As I told Petroglyph, she's meant to be eye-candy for the guys, so enjoy friend…
Another of my guy friends on here found her for me, and I think he did a excellent job, don't you?
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So you think only one citizen of one state will cross state lines and be hospitalized in another state who does not have insurance. ROTFLMAO One of the main principles of the Commerce Clause is the cumulative effect a transaction or series of transactions have. If you do not believe me, go read Scalia's concurring opinion in the California marijuana case.
Stupid, Really. Hmmm. Quoting Rusty the Chickenhawk. Since he is such a hero or yours, would you care to explain how he dodged the draft to escape Nam.
Fine with me because I have insurance. I bet if they do, Mr. Lee may have a change of heart.
If the ultimate court ruling (SCOTUS) will confirm that it is an egregious violation of privacy by Obamacare, and therefore null and void, using the right to privacy as confirmed via Roe v. Wade, then it truly will be the hand of the Almighty at work in this matter, as foretold in Scripture: "…..He….uses that which was intended for evil, for good….." (Genesis 50:20)
Believe me, it was a mistake. My internet connection is acting up.
I modify every single authorization I sign. I mark out which parts I don't agree with and write a caveat that anything outside the purview of this particular doc visit can't be acquired without separate authorization by me.
I don't know whether it does any good, but it sure as hell raises some eyebrows in the doc's office.
Oh, it may be all those things you say. However, wait until one of your parents gets sick. When my mother passed away, her medical bills in a very short span totaled more than $250,000. When my father-in-law passed away, his bills totaled more than $750,000. If we did not have Medicare, how much would private insurance carriers charge for this type of insurance? But the point is, if he does not want to enroll, his children will strongly suggest he does.
Contradictory positions. Please. Would you point them out to me. I have been consistent since day one on this topic. Although I may not be thrilled with the bill which was passed, at least it was a step in the right direction. You see, I do not mind paying for health care for myself and my family (as well as my employees). I do mind having to pick up the tab for persons who are so irresponsible they feel they have a right to pass down their health care costs to society. I am shocked you do not feel the same way too. If you do not, I bet you just love picking up the tab for all the welfare mamas.
Brilliant!
You would make a terrible lawyer.
Now this is a new one. Blame Soros for Roe v. Wade. Roe was decided, oh about 37 years ago. In fact, it was a Nixon appointee who authored the opinion. I bet he understood the meaning of a coat hanger.
Now you are showing your ignorance. That's NOT what the Commerce Clause is about. It's so States can tack on tariffs and taxes on products from other states. It doesn't give the Government "power" to DO anything, like preventing a person from GROWING their OWN food and actually selling it to their neighbors. Go ahead look it up – it's the farce that they've abused it with.
What? The courts do not look at the cumulative effect when deciding Commerce Clause cases?Did my response spoil your day? I know the truth hurts.
Really. You pick up the tab? I bet you believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, too. What dream world are you living in. Roughly 50% of all bankruptcies are related to medical bills.
Showing my ignorance. ROTFLMAO. One of the main reasons the Commerce Clause was passed was to prevent states from tacking on tariffs or taxes on products from the other states. Oh, and by the way, your argument that it does not effect a person from growing their own food and selling it to their neighbors was tried in the California marijuana case. This argument did not get very far with that ultra liberal Supreme Court Judge, Anthony Scalia.
Who else but some red-blinked, negatively valued, communist,multi-ID'd AzzzPolyp like you would come to the defense of George Soros…a child of nazi genocide and experimental abortion. Soros was murdering millions and cashing them out much further back than 37 years ago. Communism aborts the free. You abort your country. Sing your Maoist serenade, AzzzPolyp, for no one hears you but father_moray. And father_moray will not pray for you. Vampires and Zombies like you are sucking America's Blood. here's my ode for you: FU, STFU and GTFO, AzzzSucka. We are watching communism die…and you are just reflexing on the knowledge your foodstamps and unemployment checks will soon end forever….:))))
Speaking of books, a book you really must read is "Empire of the Summer Moon", by S. C. Gwynne. It came out early last summer and I got it, and read it. I re-read it again this week. It is about Quannah Parker, and there are a lot of places in it, that you and I are familiar with. He uses some antiquated anthropological terms, referring to the Commanche as "low-barbarians" and "premoral". (I'm not sure how I really feel about that). But other than the personal bias, I found it an excellent book.
My interest in it, other than history, is that I wish it were required reading at West Point, and the Pentagon. It is a blueprint, for dealing with the Tribal Warfare we are involved in today, in various parts of the Globe.
Dude – it was about VEGGIES and the guy got RAIDED and he stuff RUINED because if he was growing his own FOOD – then he wouldn't have to BUY food. Thus "hurting" interstate commerce.
You can't even look up the correct case.
You still have yet to prove to me that Douglas would have no problem giving his information to a third party, the goverment. Then you trail off and do not support your original statement. You did not ruin my day. As a matter of fact I enjoy making you look like a fool.
Thanks for the response.
"If a citizen of a state gets sick in another state and does not have insurance, guess who gets to pick up the tab?" – I don't see the relevance of the point, quite frankly. Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but what difference does it make what state someone gets sick in? Either you have insurance or you don't. If you have insurance that only covers you in your home state, then you need to get a better policy.
"Congress can impose all the penalties it deems fit" – Really?……and that is where, in the Constitution?
"he is taxing the persons who are scamming the system by failing to abide by the conservative principle of self-reliance." You are honestly trying to tell me that no-one scams the system when the government controls it??? Spend some time living in a country that HAS a government-run healthcare system and then try to tell me that!
"So the persons who have insurance and are in the majority are going to shout hooray because their taxes will go down because there will be more money to pay for the deadbeats health care." – You REALLY believe that ANYONE is going to see a reduction in taxes, as a result of ObamaCare?? LOL! Once again, go live in a country that has government-run healthcare and try to find ANYONE who saw their taxes reduced as a result of that system! Good luck with that!
My point still stands: Any financial 'recompense' that the government demands from someone who chooses not to purchase insurance is either a tax or a penalty. Obama himself has argued time and time again that it is NOT a tax; in arguing against these lawsuits, however, his administration is arguing that it IS a tax. If Congress has the power to "impose all the penalties it deems fit", as you imagine it does, then why is it that the administration is adamant that the cost of NOT purchasing insurance is NOT a penalty? Why does the administration not just say "Yes, that's right……..it's a penalty"?
Yet another demonstration of the plantation mentality of the modern liberal.
I never said he would not have to give his information to a third party. But this argument is a red herring. The persons he is giving this information to are required by law, to keep this information confidential and it can not be used against him. The rights you have under the Constitution are not absolute. For example, try yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre or attempt to acquire an atomic bomb under the Second Amendment. If a state can show a compelling reason, they can legislate a protected right. In this situation, since there is not a threat of publication and the information can not be used against him, I am very confident a court will find a compelling need. I also stand by my statement that when he is eligible for Medicare, he will be the first in line.
I am not coming to the defense of George Soros. I am simply pointing out the fallacy in your argument when you attempt to link Soros to Roe v. Wade. As far as your rant attempting to identify me with the Maoists, I have been self-employed for the past 28 years or so. During this time, I have paid more than my fair share in taxes. Oh, and by the way, unlike Joe Miller, neither I, nor any member of my family have ever applied for unemployment. So take your smears somewhere else. I deal with the facts.
The flaw in your entire argument, regarding 'self-reliance' is this:
Millions of Americans WILL be exempted from paying into this system (purchasing healthcare, initially – and paying the healthcare tax when it becomes single-payer – which is the stated end result), and yet will still be eligible for the benefits – so we will still be in a situation where those of us who conform to the system are picking up the tab for those who do not have to.
Really, now. Who has the "liberal" position here? Who wants the government to pick up their health care tab? Oh, I am sorry. I forgot Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny pick up the tab for the uninsured. My bad. I mean what idiot would believe that the medical bills for the uninsured are picked up by the government and the persons with insurance. I mean, just the other day I learned money grows on trees.
the FACTS are that 90,000,000 citizens float dead in your wake. You are coming to the rescue of the Sorosian AzzzPolyp that drives ObamaCare…and you must also support Alinsky, who demanded stealing healthcare to kill dissent. No, you protest with lies and Sorosian AzzzzMustard dripping down your chin. Pull your pants UP and wipe your CHIN OFF, AzzzzLiar, for your flight left 6 hours ago…your PAT DOWN Is long over!!!
your communism is obsolete and dying…you are the unDEAD….why else would you be in this board? AzzMustardBOT…:))) Fact this, moron.
You are the one with a flaw in their argument. First, a single-payer system was rejected by the House and the Senate so try your slippery slope argument, elsewhere. Second, the self-reliance argument still stands. Under the existing law, persons who have the ability to pay for insurance, but elect not to, will have to enroll or face a penalty. So at least, there will be more persons pulling the wagon, instead of riding in it.
Actually far worse, because we'll be on the hook for all the treatment the uninsured want, not just emergency care.
"Oh, I am sorry. I forgot Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny pick up the tab for the uninsured."
No, private charity. That is, if Obamacare leaves any Catholic charity hospitals unbankrupted.
Or those who have the wherewithal to buy insurance but choose to spend their money on other things (the majority of your 'uninsured') can die in a ditch. Personal responsibility.
You're absolutely right there are too many people filing for bankruptcy & I'd be more than happy to discuss reinstating debtors' prisons after ObamaCare has been repealed.
This is how Obamacare will save us money, we will get free colonoscopy for flying. And you thought he had not reduced the cost of health care?
Just keep believing in 0bama and his magical money machine then.
Face it Bo, you've gone full retard and there is no going back.
To address your point about self-reliance: I beg to differ and we will just have to agree to disagree. Government welfare and benefit schemes ALWAYS end up with more people riding in the wagon than are pulling it.
As for single-payer – I will say this:
MARK MY WORDS!
…..if ObamaCare is implemented, we WILL end up with a single-payer system. Deny it all you want right now, but I GUARANTEE it 100%. Go ahead and tell me I'm full of crap, have no idea what I'm talking about and really need to remove my tinfoil hat….
Say WHATEVER you like, but I am telling you right now – for ABSOLUTE certain – that ObamaCare will lead to single-payer! IF it ever gets implemented….and IF it doesn't completely collapse within a couple years, we will have a single-payer system within eight years.
Eight years from now, I'm going to be posting: "Huskers! I TOLD YOU SO!"
Mark my words!
How can Obamacare be a tax when it's only imposed in the case of not buying insurance? Can we get out of paying income tax if we buy some product instead?
Inspirational Tea Party Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdq-EnByA3k&fe...
''A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus." Martin Luther King, Jr.
One has to love it when the "law of unintended consequence" backfires on the left. This is sweet by half! Catch 22 has raised its familiar head, which "sacrament" of the left will be sacrificed? Roe vs. Wade or Universal healthcare.
Boy are you living in a dream world. The hospital wards are full of persons who have little, if any insurance. One of my best friends is general counsel for a large group of hospitals. They write off about 20% of their bills. So in the whole scheme of things, the ER costs are very small.
I sure would like to revisit the constitutionality of Roe versus Wade. The problem with Roe versus Wade and the Supreme court is the three women on the Supreme court. They are all far left liberals. How do you think they would vote if they had the chance? Women on the court does us no good if they are all liberal women. It is like the media….stacked against conservatives.
Private charity picks up the tab. ROTFLMAO. You really, really have no clue. There is not one, I repeat one, charitable hospitals left in Nebraska. They went under a long, long time ago.
I am not believing in any magical money machine. That is why I want some personal responsibility in place.
Roe v. Wade has nothing to do with this issue. As far as the rest of your rant, I simply enjoy pointing out how hypocritical and specious your arguments are. Getting a rise out of you and your lame attempts to smear someone who disagrees with you, really, really, makes my day because it points out how weak your positions are.
Better go read Scalia's concurring opinion in the California marijuana case involving his view of the Commerce Clause. Oh, I forgot, he is known for his liberal opinions.
Because Congress has been given broad powers to define income and deductions under the 16th Amendment. An example of this is why can you deduct interest on a home mortgage and not credit cards. The answer is: Congress passed a law.
How delicious. The liberal sacred cow will be used to destroy Obama-Care. This and Bristol Palin winning Dancing with the Stars and the libs will be beside themselves.
Why are you here?…if not to defend the Alinsky/Sorosian Method? You decry the light in your face but your lies have no interest. OBAMAcare is unConstitutional as is your Communist Way. And you are here to defend it and defend all those who shoved it up our united and resistant Constitutional Citizenry…even as they told you "NO"… soooooopull your pants up….no one is interested in your display. ObamaCare will die. YOu method has failed. Obama is an antiChrist. You are his AzzzzBullet.
)) oh but don't mind me, I just fish for AzzzPolyps, communists, al qaeda AzzzBots and fornicators like you. Freedom of Speech is my bait. You AutoPullers hate it and attack my bait again and again…like you are doing. I fish in your cesspools to out your kind from the mud. And here you are, PatDownBoy…again. Take you off, rebait and reCast…do come back….so we can see you better…you are no husker, you are al qaeda.
Nice score!:)) Of course Roe v Wade is confirmed by ObamaCare…to the extent that we all must now pay for the infanticide that binds your party together. Moron. F'n DUH!
Stupid. Yes. Really.
So, Stinky…why don't you tell us all why you think this is even relevant? You might start by proving that this is even true. We always get a laugh out of what passes for evidence with you Tardlings!
You can grow your own food all you want without government regulating your produce, as long as it is not illegal. i.e. marijuana However, the minute this product enters the commerce stream, the government can regulate it.
Case law, viewed today as precedent, amounts to law, precedent, created in the judiciary. The Constitution delegates that power, the power to create precedent, to the Legislature. This is what is so fundamentally wrong with our country.
"We are headed in the right direction." says POTUS. Islam agrees.
The Obama Regime's economy is dead: play the Dept of Labor animation to watch Obama's Death Plan claim jobs:
http://cohort11.americanobserver.net/latoyaegwuek...
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"The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil
service examination."
~ Ronald Reagan
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert , in five years there'd be a
shortage of sand."
~ Milton Friedman
You're wasting your time with this Tardling. Stupid people are incapable of acknowledging their own stupidity. It's a symptom of their disability. You can educate the ignorant, but the stupid are incurable.
As stupid as you are, I'd advise upping your coverage! You're bound to need it at some point. It's inevitable!
Only an idiot would think that sounded like a rational explanation. Thanks for yet another example of your stupidity.
Because of stupid little Tardlings like yourself, No doubt!
First, under your scenario, there is no chance that the uninsured will pay anything. So I will take my chances. Second, it is easier to support a tax under the broad authority of the 16th Amendment because a penalty still must pass muster under the 14th Amendment. However, if a court holds this is a penalty, it will still pass muster because the amount of the penalty is relatively small. Oh, I know you will scream it is not small to me. In order for the penalty to violate the Constitution, it would have to be so outrageous compared to the harm. i.e. a million dollar fine.
Start with yourself, Tardling.
We need a Mckenzie-type leader/general in A-Stan to smack down the "Taliban Commanches"..
So far, this strange PC war there has not gone well…
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