Mississippi Lt. Governor ‘Puts Up,’ Joins Legal Fight Against ObamaCare
by K. Douglas LeeHopefully by now you are aware that Senator Chris McDaniel and I have filed a citizens class action lawsuit against the PPACA, the liberty-robbing “Obamacare” statute, in the federal court for the Southern District of Mississippi. Please see our prior article on this subject here. The response from liberty-loving Americans has been overwhelming — from Big Media, not so much. I understand their disinterest, though, because really important things like the travails of a billionaire golfer takes up so much of their time.
That’s quite alright, because I would rather come directly to you to make important announcements like this: Lt. Governor Phil Bryant has entered our class action lawsuit against the PPACA as an individual, private citizen. He is serving as a Petitioner, and is the class representative for a uniquely important class: employees of the State of Mississippi.
Lt. Governor Phil Bryant addresses crowd in Jackson, Mississippi
Why this new class is important.
Congress is now dictating what must be — and must not be — in your health insurance plan. In other words, they are controlling the health insurance that your employer is offering you. Socialism is defined as “government ownership or control of all the means of production (farms, factories, mines, and natural resources) and all the means of distribution (transportation, communications, and the instruments of commerce).” Realize, “socialized medicine” is here, right now. Even worse, by controlling what health insurance plans must be offered, Congress and the Executive branch are controlling your employer, and thus your employment.
Your liberty depends on the survival of your republic. The PPACA is a direct attack on the republican form of government.
Every kid who’s ever put hand over heart and recited the Pledge of Allegiance knows that we live in a republic: “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
Kids pledging allegiance to the flag, and "to the republic for which it stands"
In fact, we have been blessed with what James Madison called “the compound republic of America,” having been guaranteed that each state is a sovereign republic in itself, not just the national government. In this unique and hugely successful system of government, federal control over the states is an anathema:
This separation of the two spheres is one of the Constitution’s structural protections of liberty. “Just as the separation and independence of the coordinate branches of the Federal Government serve to prevent the accumulation of excessive power in any one branch, a healthy balance of power between the States and the Federal Government will reduce the risk of tyranny and abuse from either front.”
Printz v. U.S., 521 U.S. 898 (1997) (Scalia, J). We’ve spent so much time focusing on the separation of powers amongst the three branches of government that we’ve forgotten about the very vital separation of powers between the States and Congress. If the federal government dictates what the States can do, our republic is destroyed, and liberty-robbing tyranny is all that can result.
Congress has chosen to commandeer our state employees, even our elected officials, with the PPACA. Lest you think that “commandeer” is too strong of a word to use, consider that the federal government now controls the terms and conditions of employment for all state workers everywhere. States now must offer health insurance plans dictated only by the federal government; we all recognize that a health insurance plan is one of the most important aspects of the employer-employee relationship. In fact, since it is nothing more than a form of compensation, it really is the most important aspect.
In the Printz v. US case I cited above, Justice Scalia said: “When we were at last confronted squarely with a federal statute that unambiguously required the States to enact or administer a federal regulatory program, our decision should have come as no surprise.” I think you can guess that the Court’s response was rather chilly toward the federal government’s overreaching. In FERC v. Mississipi, the Supreme Court said that “this Court never has sanctioned explicitly a federal command to the States to promulgate and enforce laws and regulations.” FERC v. Mississippi, 456 U.S. 742, 761-62 (1982). Congress may not commandeer state officials, or any state employees, in order to implement federal law. In substance, this is exactly what Congress has done with the PPACA. This is a clear violation of state sovereignty, and utterly destructive of the Constitution’s guarantee of a compound republic.
This class, that of state employees, is uniquely important. Do you really want Congress to dictate the terms of employment between your state government and your state officials and civil servants? Realize, this is 180 degrees out of phase with the intentions of the Framers, and with the clear statements implementing their vision found in the Constitution that they wrote.
Why is it important that Lt. Governor Bryant is a petitioner?
Lt. Governor Bryant is showing that any elected official can do this. Actually, any state employee can do this, but we all recognize how important it is for us to get our elected leaders to take point, and lead.
Lt. Governor Bryant has a long history of fighting for conservative beliefs and traditional values. His persistence in promoting conservative public policy stems from his belief that people, not the government, know best how to take care of themselves. The way I see it, he has been fighting for liberty — freedom — for years. I cannot think of a better person in this great State to represent the new class we have added.
He’s also a candidate for Governor. Think about this — why shouldn’t our candidates, whether currently in office of not, be petitioners? Why shouldn’t we go to town hall meetings, campaign rallies, and press conferences in order to push them into action, not just into making statements?
Here in Mississippi, as in other states, most people want for our state to enter into the lawsuit filed in Florida by fifteen other states. Governor Haley Barbour (the very effective chairman of the Republican Governors Association and a former RNC chairman) has been pushing our Attorney General — a Democrat — to get into the lawsuit, but to no avail. Governor Barbour is quite resourceful, and we hope that he will find a way to work around this obstacle. Regardless, Lt. Governor Bryant isn’t waiting for anyone — he’s taking action now.
Put up or shut up.
Here in Mississippi, I’m proud to say that we’re up to two prominent elected officials (Senator Chris McDaniel and Lt. Governor Phil Bryant) who are taking positive, substantive action to save our healthcare system from the clutches of socialism, and our republican form of government from Congress. How many does your state have? None? Well then, maybe it’s time that you made them earn their pay.
Write a letter, fax or email to the elected officials in your own state and tell them it’s time to stop posturing. Are any of them hiding behind their Attorney General, saying “gee whiz, I want the state to get involved, but we can’t force the AG to do it, sorry guys”? Tell them it’s time to put up, or shut up. It takes courage for an elected state official to do what Lt. Governor Bryant is doing, but that is precisely what we demand of our elected officials — courage to do what is right.
So, what are you waiting for? Get busy.
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Good plan for the fine citizens and workers in Mississippi! THANK YOU!
18 states so far. Hope more joins in.
Thank you for standing up for my family and friends still living in Mississippi
The more the merrier! I hope all '57' states join in.
Me too. I did not know this tidbit…..
Lt. Governor Bryant is showing that any elected official can do this. Actually, any state employee can do this, but we all recognize how important it is for us to get our elected leaders to take point, and lead.
"We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions ujnbridled by morality and religion. Our constitution was made only for moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams. We as individuals must have morals and religion. A lot of us don't, and that is why America is doomed.
Also, I love to see children saying The Pledge of Allegiance.
“The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.”
Patrick Henry
As a fellow (albeit fairly new*) Mississippi citizen, thank you! I heard this morning on the Gallo show that Bryant had joined your suit.
* Our move to rural Miss'ippi was purposeful, because we, too, believe that we know what's best for us, and we are perfectly capable of managing our own lives– just as our "neighbors" are. We've live here just six months, and despite all the shenanagins coming out of DC, I've never felt more free. Thank you again for your efforts.
Why do you say is there no chance of winning? Is there no limit to what Congress may do pursuant to the Commerce Clause? If they can order you to purchase health insurance, where's the line that prevents them from, for example, ordering you to buy a GM car?
The Congressional Research Service itself found that no previous federal statute has ever required individuals to purchase a specific good or service. And the US Supreme Court, as noted above in Printz and in Lopez, has stricken down purported exercises of the Interstate Commerce Power that didn't even go this far.
As a tactical matter, you think McCollum filing in Pensacola rather than Tallahassee or wherever else was just random chance? I know my AG personally, and I'll respectfully go with his legal judgment over yours.
The double standard is apparent, with LA getting Medicaid subsidies and MS is not. The Chicago play and pay mentality.
And that's a sad fact. very sad for our children and grandchildren.
The more the merrier. A Constitutional convention would be nice. Let Obamacare rise or fall with representation of the people.
They want to add new rights to the Constitution? let them do it the right way.
My granddaughter say the Pledge of Allegiance every day in school, in Florida!! God bless America!!
"Our base"
Oh that's worth a laugh all on it's own.
If you are not a progressive please consider becoming one because we need more dimwits in their camp!
when you have the law on your side, pound the law.
when you have the facts on your side, pound the facts.
when you don't have either, pound the table.
I expect a lot of liberal table pounding.
I put this question out there before: Can citizen's file suit against this form of take over? Would it be prudent for tea party gatherings to take up an offering and file a suit on a group of individual's behalves? I have never received a reply. I can't afford a lawsuit on my own, but many people together might work.
Check out drudge. Obama bowed to the Chinese this time.
That fool can not learn a thing.
"Learn to read dumb*ss. You are NOT required to purchase health insurance.
What ever rock you crawled out from under shite bag you might as well just slither on back….
And YOU need to learn to read…sixteen thousand IRS agents will be checking to see if YOU have health insurance FOOL!
He just seems to me to be an awestruck child, bowing with "humility" before all his dictator heroes. What a sap.
There is no nonsense there buddy. The IRS is expanding and it will be for the mandating of health insurance. Its in the freaking law and was never taken out. That is one of the reasons why so many states are starting to repeal it, and if you remember how our country is built, the states have more power than the fed.
Dear god your foolish. Obama cut taxes, he is going to increase taxes ontop of increase spending. He has yet to show anybody that he or his administration to be fiscalily responsible. If you havent noticed, everything he has passed has been nothing but wastefull spending and nothing to stop it. If Obama cared about our national debt, he would stop signing worthless bills and use our tax money to pay down the debt and not use it on programs that dont work or that we dont need.
I can't wait for the MSM to continue their 'rebuttal' that "Romney's state health care is just like Obamacare, so conservatives are just anti-Obama not policy!"….Newsflash you outdated bums, I can vote with my feet, and if my state adopted such a system, I'd get the hell out of there. How does someone escape this? It's all about policy, and guess what? The policy blows…GET THIS CRAP LEGISLATION OFF THE BOOKS!
Missy8s, you're a very bright person, and I mean that both ways — you're intelligent and your disposition is very positive, sunny even, I would say.
Thanks for all the great comments!
Alright macnvettes, clearly you're self-percieved intelligence is off the charts, so you'll certainly have a rational answer for this question:
In order to maintain their deficit numbers and prevent insurance companies from denying pre-existing conditions, advocates of the bill introduced the mandate to buy insurance in order to have a big enough group to spread collective risk. Now, you are correct that you can choose not to, but you will be fined if you don't. If you don't believe my comments up to this point, you haven't read the bill and are talking out of your arse, because it's in there. My question is, if you and your followers believe that additional IRS agents are a conspiracy theory, how will they administer the fines? Certainly if it was a voluntary fine, nobody would pay it, and thus the government wouldn't collect enough to make their deficit numbers work. If it's not voluntary, then someone needs to audit to administer fines, and that would be the IRS. So..is the health care bill going to have a far greater negative impact on the deficit, are there going to be more IRS agents to administer fines, or both?
Even if you're correct, and the effort fails, I don't see how it could backfire.
To me, the word "backfire" means it would redound to the detriment of those who filed and/or supported the lawsuit. How and why would that happen?
Hell, if one of the U.S. District Courts issued a judicial stay, which only delayed the implementation of this monstrosity for three or six months, I'd consider that a victory.
And if the entire lawsuit is thrown out summarily, I would still appreciate the effort. You say the "ignorant rednecks we call our base." What do you mean, "our"? You're not one of us.
LOL, indeed.
Excellent point, there, wldbil!
We the people are the rightful masters of Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. ~ Abraham Lincoln ~
This is anon using someone elses name!!…..What a little piss ant!!
I'm against Obamacare as the next guy but I would like to know how it is different constitutionally than Social Security which is another type of insurance that is mandated by the Federal Government to everyone.
OMG!!! You are living the Obama lie. Funny thing is, when this all hits, you and others like you are going to be the most shocked. And then you'll realize it's too late to turn back.
What a sorry excuse you are.
YES you should totally do that and I hope it does not cost you too much in terms of time and money please let us know how it works out for you.
You mean like Limbaugh is going to move to Costa Rica, a socialist state that provides free health care, btw.
I don't care who you are, that's funny…
blah blah and one + Yawn 4 u.
There's too much of that logic going around. "The other guy did it back then, so it's ok to do it now"…Social Security was unconstitutional as well, just like every major piece of progressive legislation. Another common attribute is that they're all money pits that contribute possibly bankruptcy. This is far more intrusive than Social Security, but that's a seperate point. I wasn't alive, like most people, when Social Security was adopted. If I was, I would have vehemently opposed it. With the added benefit of seeing the failure of those past programs, I support any measure that could remove this piece of legislation. The government has also sent citizens to internment camps in the past…an extreme example I know, but the 'happened before, ok now' mentality applied to government would pretty quickly lead to complete tyranny.
There's too much of that logic going around. "The other guy did it back then, so it's ok to do it now"…Social Security was unconstitutional as well, just like every major piece of progressive legislation. Another common attribute is that they're all money pits that contribute possibly bankruptcy. This is far more intrusive than Social Security, but that's a seperate point. I wasn't alive, like most people, when Social Security was adopted. If I was, I would have vehemently opposed it. With the added benefit of seeing the failure of those past programs, I support any measure that could remove this piece of legislation. The government has also sent citizens to internment camps in the past…an extreme example I know, but the 'happened before, ok now' mentality applied to government would pretty quickly lead to complete tyranny.
[...] Mississippi Lt. Governor ‘Puts Up,’ Joins Legal Fight Against ObamaCare [...]
*contribute to possible bankruptcy
In MHO you are not as against it as I am. Also, It doesn't differ that much. Social security is as much unconstitutional as Obamacare is except that OC is far bigger and more encompassing. Another primary difference is the internet. When Social Security came out there wasn't a TV in every house, there wasn't even a radio in everyone's house. We didn't have instant communication, instant polls and twitter were years away. This is what happens when you educate the masses, they become aware of tyranny and rise up against it. This should have been done for Social Security but it's a bit late now, so we have some catching up to do. Do you honestly think I WILLINGLY pay 12% to social security? Oh H3LL no, but it's taken out of my check before I can my hands on it. America has been asleep, you have not heard, the Trio of Evil has awoken the sleeping giant. If it were up to me, we'd take government size back to 1785
Social security is not a good or a service. It is a tax that is collected by the government and then, obstensibly, returned to the person from whom it was collected from at a later date. Theoretically there is no "risk" in social security. You're not buying anything… just handing over some of your money for the government to hold on your behalf.
Health insurance, like any insurance, is a gamble. You are paying, over time, betting that you are not going to fall prey to some catastrophic event. If that catastrophic event occurs then you "win the bet" and the insurance company should pay you. There is risk involved, and that risk is assumed by the private company that sells you the insurance. That assumed risk is the "good or service" that they are selling you.
The health legislation just passed would represent the first instance where the federal government coerces a citizen to purchasing a good or service.
I'm glad to see this case challenged on as many fronts as possible! We need to shotgun this bill to put as many holes in it as possible!
Utter nonsense? Sounds like someone hasn't read the healthcare bill yet, doesn't it, anon?
Obama is destroying our country one piece at a time!
Just another Obamao quid pro quo.
My sentiments EXACTLT!!!
Breaking News:
NYT: ObamaCare may have accidentally stripped Congress of health coverage.
In a new report, the Congressional Research Service says the law may have significant unintended consequences for the “personal health insurance coverage” of senators, representatives and their staff members.
For example, it says, the law may “remove members of Congress and Congressional staff” from their current coverage, in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, before any alternatives are available.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/us/politics/13h...
You're ignoring the risk of Social Security funds being raided by the gov, and leaving a generation with nothing but lost income
Social Security is most certainly a financial service, even if it's a terrible one. If they didn't take the money, I could invest it elsewhere, save it privately, blow it etc….do you not consider your savings account at your bank a service? The only difference is they can decide who gets more than they paid in, and who gets less…hey, I think I just stumbled onto a brilliant design for a communist bank…the progressives will love it! We'll call it 'Main Street Bank!"
It's hard to keep a fiercely determined woman down for long but when we are wronged look out!
My entire country has been done wrong from the now shadowy halls of power and now there will be hell to pay from every one of my sisters and their brothers too!!!
Kind of like what Bernie Madoff was doing, you're right, social security is brilliant! Wow, hold on a moment, the crack is wearing off, ummmmm….. on 2nd thought it might just bankrupt us and give some people vastly more than what they paid in, while short-changing others, not that my head is clearing up, it kind of sounds like a terribly bad idea!
I like the term "Bernie Madoff Retirement Plan" better, has a charitable ring to it don't you think? Lol!
And IOUs and higher taxes!
The states can sue because the feds are infringing on their rights to govern (the way I understand this)
I don't know what grounds individuals have.
Hopefully there is a legal mind out there that can answer this.
"How many does your state have?"
Well, Inhofe and Coburn are okay but they do tick me off at times. But our idiot AG Edmondson's about to find himself without a job for not joining the other states in this case.
We will.
But I think we should let the state's Attorneys General do battle first.
Good call! I knew mac didn't lose his mind.
I noticed the trademark "you're stupid" and "bagger" talk, too. Poor anon…. if only it had a name and a life….
I just thought if we all joined in it might make a bigger impact, but I don't know the laws or anything
Apropos, for ObaMao.
I found this over at Libertypundit Any US citizen or company interested in joining the lawsuit against Obamacare can do so by going tohttp://www.van4congress.org/contact/obamacare-cla... says anyone can join.
Just come from Media Masters, did we? Or have you been Huffing the HuffPo again?
Here's a new word to add to your vocabulary: Context
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_03231...
Just come from Media Masters, did we? Or have you been Huffing the HuffPo again?
Here's a new word to add to your vocabulary: Context
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_03231...
Don't mean to be pain the backside poster with links but I found this at liberty pundit, I know I posted it above but this is the FAQ. Some guy names Van Irion is doing the case pro bono and is covering the court costs himself and he's trying to get enough people for a class action law suit. Here is the FAQ page if anyone is interestedhttp://www.obamacareclassaction.com/faq.php
Don't mean to be pain the backside poster with links but I found this at liberty pundit, I know I posted it above but this is the FAQ. Some guy names Van Irion is doing the case pro bono and is covering the court costs himself and he's trying to get enough people for a class action law suit. Here is the FAQ page if anyone is interestedhttp://www.obamacareclassaction.com/faq.php
Cool!! and thanks for that.
Yeah, I'm all for overloading the courts (Libs started it) with multiple cases. I don't know… I wish I new more about 'law' but I was thinking too many distractions may work against what the AG s are trying to do ATM.
I think the rule is that an individual can't sue until they have been "injured" in some way. The real "injury" won't come until 2014 or some such. Think the lawyers call it "lack of standing".
If we can get 37 states, then we don't need a lawsuit…
I'm Amish. Just realized it the other day. I'm founding the First United Amish Church of Arizona.
Personally, I blame Republicans just as much as Dems for this whole monstrosity. Republicans were in power for years and did nothing about the healthcare problem. Then, when Dems get into power and actually attempt to do something for working people (or at least that is what they claim), Republicans respond with their own lame, corporat- friendly plans. As far as I can tell, Republicans only have 2 ideas – 1) allow people to buy insurance across state lines and 2) tort reform.
First, as a federalist, I believe states have the power to regulate the insurance industry within their own borders. The feds shoudln't be allowed to come in and overturn state insurance law. Second, tort reform has never been shown to reduce insurance rates. 99% of the outrageoous verdicts you hear about in the news are either reduced by the trial judge or reduced on appeal. Plus, in my opinion, it is immoral to tell someone who has suffered $400,000 in damages as a result of a negligent doctor that they can only recover $250,000 because of some arbitrary cap on damages.
This Van Irion guy just seems to be using this issue to advance his political career. The claims made in his complaint are not valid claims. The 10th Amendment is pretty much meaningless as it has been interpreted by the Supreme Court. The courts have held that the 10th Amendment does not allow the feds to pass laws directing state governments to pass laws or take other quasi-legislative actions. That's pretty much it. Republicans are just using these suits for political purposes and do raise campaign funds. Any attorney with any experience will tell you that these suits are b.s.
Why do you say is there no chance of winning? Is there no limit to what Congress may do pursuant to the Commerce Clause? If they can order you to purchase health insurance, where's the line that prevents them from, for example, ordering you to buy a GM car?
The Congressional Research Service itself found that no previous federal statute has ever required individuals to purchase a specific good or service. And the US Supreme Court, as noted above in Printz and in Lopez, has stricken down purported exercises of the Interstate Commerce Power that didn't even go this far.
As a tactical matter, you think McCollum filing in Pensacola rather than Tallahassee or wherever else was just random chance? I know my AG personally, and I'll respectfully go with his legal judgment over yours.
if it gets to 30 states the supremes will be forced to judge in favor of the plaintiff states otherwise they would be clearly derelict in their duties as well.
The key is winning state legislative majorities, be sure to vote on EVERY statewide seat ESPECIALLY attorneys general!!!
I will support and defend ANYONE who opposes this socialist regime. ANYONE. Born free and will die free.
Get your hand out of your pants boy…
LOL
The Amish are more equally covered.
Social security as we know it should be ended as well, if I had the option to opt out of it, I would!
Haha mental backflips I love the liberal mind…here you go genius:
1. The IRS is not even remotely efficient, the tax code is overly complex, and evasion/deception are prevelent in tax filing.
2. If you knew anything about economic theory, you'd know that tax evasion rates are directly dependent upon the severity of penalty under law. If you are required to buy insurance, yet the penalty is a relatively small compared to the cost of insurance, anyone that doesn't want coverage will take that risk. Their budget numbers depend upon every citizen either buying insurance or paying the fine. This simply won't be the case, it doesn't happen with the current system, and won't with a less level of punishment. Therefore, if they want their numbers to improve, they'll need to audit more, and Tah-Dah! more agents! Of course the IRS said that, it's not 2014, wait until they're under pressure to bring in more revenue.
BTW…you're a complete idiot. Honestly. I'm guessing a union worker, only they see efficiency where everyone else sees waste
HA! That's what they get for not reading it.
Burden of proof, huh?
Here's some tough real world thinking for you, so try and pay attention.
There is no "proof" either way, because nothing in the plan has taken effect yet. People are only projecting the expected outcomes based on the numbers they've been given. If the numbers are incorrect, so are their projections.
The IRS said it's bunk? Ohh man, what a relief. Just like how unemployment would stay below 8%, how cash for clunkers was a brilliant concept, and how the stimulus would create millions of jobs.
Stop being a parrot for the administration and actually use some foresight smart guy. They're assuming their revenues will match projections; they won't. %'s of tax evasion relate directly to the legal penalty of avoidance. This will carry only small punitive damages, and people will avoid it, whether out of protest or deception.
You couldn't run a lemonade stand, go back to moveon.org with the other philosophy majors
Let's see what the IRS says in 2014 when the program is frightningly underfunded and their told to produce more revenue. It'll be in the form of additional audits, and Tah-Dah! additional employees. Or we can go with your theory: The IRS and other gov agencies are examples of superior efficiency, and can manage any workload with minimal staff. Do you realize how stupid you sound?
Very proud of my native state's Governor and Lt. Governor Bryant! And, thank you Mr. Lee, for reminding us, and the leaders of each state, that if a state's AG is found to be "sitting on their hands" in the matter of challenging the constitutionality/legality of Obamacare, it is NOT an obstacle for representing each state's citizens in a class action lawsuit against the federal government– I believe that should have been the responsibility of the US Senate, as it was originally intended to be by the Founding Fathers, before the atrocious 17th Amendment, that took away from each state government, to appoint Senators to the US Congress, and therefore do the bidding of each state goverment, directly– the current situation of having US Senators elected, instead of appointed, makes the US Government lean to one side or the other, and never straight and upright, in my opinion– in nautical terms, that makes the ship go around in circles when that happens, never to gain any distance towards anything….
My AG in VA filed a suit an hour after O-care was signed. We need conservative wins all the way down the ballet to the local level. We are happy people in VA with our recent sweeps last Nov. This coming election is the most important one in American history.
Leo are you a low cost lawyer? Can we hire you for $7.50 an hour to tell us how we can fail effectively without even trying? That would benefit us all, or I mean benefit the liberals greatly. You did say something about any attorney with any experience could tell me. Furthermore who determines $400K or $250K in damages? We are all human, including doctors. If you are not caring for your health and you need to go the doctor that is your choice, no one other American tax payer is going to tell you to go to the doctor. When you make that choice to have someone poke and prod your body you have essentially given them the right to do so and when they make a mistake we get to sue them for $400K or even $250K see this falls under personal responsibility and the country survived a really long time without these crazy lawsuits. You may be a 'federalist' by seems you are also an 'entitlist' which btw is not a word, but for me it means someone who feels entitled, you must live in California. Jus sayin my humble opinion
And another state rises to the occasion to defend it's citizens against the marxist dictatorship in Washington, DC.
Thank you, Mississippi, and welcome to the fight.
"Opportunities multiply as they are seized." Sun Tzu
First of all allowing individuals to buy insurance across state lines is not about corporations. it is about allowing competition in the marketplace. When you tell people out of 1400 some odd insurance companies you can only purchase from these specific ones because you happen to live in this area that drives the cost of insurance up because the companies only have to compete with a few others not all 1400 or so. Second it would allow individuals such as farmers to be allowed to form group so that they can get better rates and plans like larger companies do from insurance companies.
Now as to tort reform never being shown to reduce insurance rates “In 2003, the Texas state Legislature passed H.B. 4 to further reform the state's civil justice system. The bill addressed issues such as: limits on noneconomic damages; product liability reform; punitive damages; medical liability reform joint and several liabilities; and class action reform. Voters also approved a constitutional amendment, Proposition 12, in 2003, which eliminates potential court challenges to the law that limited noneconomic damages to $750,000.” The five largest Texas insurers cut rates, which will save doctors about $50 million, according to the AMA (Houston Chronicle, 5/17/05). Texas Medical Liability Trust, the state's largest liability carrier, reduced its premiums by 17 percent (Houston Chronicle, 5/17/05). American Physicians Insurance Exchange and The Doctor's Company also reduced premiums (Associated Press, 2/16/05). 5/1/05).”http://www.atra.org/wrap/files.cgi/7964_howworks…. This is one example from one state I could not list all of the known benefits in Texas from tort reform in my post I encourage you to visit the above link for more information on tort reform and its effects.
Congress does not have unlimited authority to regulate private actions. If the Constitution does not give Congress the power to act, then Congress cannot act. Congress clearly lacks the Constitutional authority to force individuals to have – or businesses to provide – health insurance. Congress’s attempt to force health insurance coverage on the nation is a stunning example of what Congress cannot do under the Constitution of the United States of America!
God Bless America
Have you heard about a counter suit filed against Cuccinelli by a politician named Eglin?
No I have not. LOL… What is he counter suing for?
You have a link?
Great, so you know how it is supposed to work. Now try finding someone with power that gives a shit…
Keep dreaming!
Good for her, so do my kids!
God bless America and pray for a miracle for our nation!
It looks like Eglin hasn't file suit yet but……
http://www.davidenglin.org/2010/03/23/englin-laun...
I fail to see how anyone can blame the Republicans for a socialist takeover of the healthcare system, especially since it was passed without a single Republican vote. As far a blaming them for the mess that led to Obamacare, there are many logical problems with that argument. Here are two obvious ones:
First, there was no demand for reform in the first place. 85% of Americans already have health insurance, and 95% of those folks are happy with their current health insurance plans, plus of the 15% who were uninsured, many could afford health insurance but did not want it. People who voted for Obama consistently place healthcare as last on their list of reasons why. Simply put, the healthcare insurance "crisis" was manufactured by the Democrats so that they could socialize medicine, pure and simple.
Second, the only real problems that the Republicans had not addressed before Obamacare were ones that had been caused by the Democrats — excessive governmental interference with the free market through onerous regulations.
Hopefully, something good will come of this whole debacle, in the end. In the meantime, the blame for this monstrosity lies squarely at the feet of the Liberal/Progressives who are currently running the Democrat party, and no one else.
Fellow VA resident here… also GLAD our AG filed! Looking forward to MORE states following suit.
We can repeal Obamacare by the middle of next year as follows:
1. Right now convince Republican state legislators across the country to apply to congress for a constitutional convention to amend the constitution.
2. The requested amendment should be short, unambiguous, and limited to garner broad based support.
3. It should read: Amendment 28. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is repealed
4. Make the November state legislature elections across the country about voting in repeal friendly legislators
5. Win enough state house so that 2/3 of the states apply to congress for the amendment in January 2011
6. Constitutionally, this forces Congress to call a convention
7. The convention proposes the amendment above
8. 3/4 of the state legislatures approve the amendment by summer 2011 and Obamacare is repealed.
As the supreme law of the land, the Constitution supersedes any laws created by congress. The President said "go for it" – let's follow his advice and issue a constitutional smackdown. Learn more athttp://www.constitutionalrepeal.com
We can repeal Obamacare by the middle of next year:
1. Right now convince Republican state legislators across the country to apply to congress for a constitutional convention to amend the constitution.
2. The requested amendment should be short, unambiguous, and limited to garner broad based support.
3. It should read: Amendment 28. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is repealed
4. Make the November state legislature elections across the country about voting in repeal friendly legislators
5. Win enough state house so that 2/3 of the states apply to congress for the amendment in January 2011
6. Constitutionally, this forces Congress to call a convention
7. The convention proposes the above amendment
8. 3/4 of the state legislatures approve the amendment and by summer 2011 and Obamacare is repealed.
As the supreme law of the land, the Constitution supersedes any laws created by congress. The President said "go for it" – let's follow his advice and issue a constitutional smackdown. Learn more at constitutionalrepeal dot com
I just emailed this loonatic… DelDEnglin@house.virginia.gov
It wasn't a nice email…
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anon is using your user name, report him!
thanks….done. I think it shows that I got under anon's skin the most, I wear that as a badge of honor!
thank you for opening Americans eyes to what will be our near future. You are absolutely correct in everything you say and i would like join your fight
hopefully we will not go into a health insurance exchange type of ordeal. But the future tells differently
Just a note, any macnvettes post that does not have a score by it is not from me, it is anon. I guess I got under his skin the most. I wear that as a badge of honor.
Anon, are you impersonating people again? Get out of my basement and get a job! I need the basement for my swinger's party tonight. No, I don't know who your dad is, I f*cked 15 guys that night and I was high on crack!
Anon, are you pretending to know something about paying taxes? Get off my computer and go collect the welfare check, Momma's gonna get high tonight! And no, you aren't getting any from me, I know you can't get laid but we're decent people around here! Just imagine how jealous my brother would be!
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The difference is, the 16th Amendment allows taxing of income. Social Security is a tax on income that just happens to be tied to some benefits.
The tax in this law is not a tax on income. It's a tax on being alive. Think about this. Poll taxes to vote are unconstitutional, but now they claim they can tax people for being a citizen in the US.
I think the plan to win enough seats not to fund the law is much better. The Constitution already does not allow for this, so going for amendment should hopefully be unnecessary. 3/4 of state legislatures is really tough to get.
If the Congress does not fund all those new government agencies, they can never carry out the law. No money for those new IRS agents means no ability to enforce, unless they want to try to do their old and new roles. All that takes is a simple majority in one of the houses to refuse to pass funding.
Yes, but you have to be "injured" in the legal sense. The states are immediately in a position to file suit as they have demands placed on them by the law right away.
The individual mandate/fine does not take effect for a while, so it is hard for an individual to sue right now saying it oversteps constitutional bounds. When the time comes, someone will refuse to pay the fine and will file a lawsuit. Hopefully the states win their case long before a citizen has to.
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