Liberty in Action: First Private Lawsuit Challenging ObamaCare Filed in Mississippi
by K. Douglas LeeMississippi State Senator Chris McDaniel and I have filed a class action lawsuit today, Good Friday 2010, challenging the constitutionality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, also known as “ObamaCare” and a variety of other less polite euphemisms.

We believe that the PPACA is DOA for several equally important reasons, but only one of which has received much attention. Most folks know by now that Congress has invoked the Commerce Clause to justify this massive expansion of governmental power. Our “Good Friday” Complaint spends many pages discussing how Congress has clearly exceeded the limits of its power under the Commerce Clause. I strongly urge you to read the entire Complaint. What I really want to point out, though, are some things you probably don’t know, and definitely will not like — even if you consider yourself a “Liberal.”
Consider for a moment that you have now been commanded to enter into a contract with an insurance corporation, whether you want to or not, whether you need to or not. Yes, there are many who actually choose to be uninsured. For most, it is simply an economic decision that often works out to the uninsured’s economic advantage. Not always, of course, but that’s the beauty of liberty — you get to make the decisions, and live with the good or bad that comes of them.
Now that you realize that a dictate has been handed down, compelling you to contract with an insurance corporation or else, consider what you have to do. It’s not like you can go to a vending machine, swipe your debit card and pull out a policy. You still have to apply. True, they cannot turn you down, but so what? You still have to give a big, scary, mean corporation a lot of private medical and psychological information about yourself and your family. Then, forever after, the insurance corporation’s bureaucrats will gather this private information without even bothering to let you know. As our Complaint states:
Moreover, compelling Plaintiffs to enter into a private contract to purchase insurance from another entity will legally require them to share private and personal information with the contracting party. Specifically, by requiring Plaintiffs to abide by the Act’s individual mandate, Congress is also compelling Plaintiffs to fully disclose past medical conditions, habits and behaviors. Not only will the insurer be privy to all past medical information, Congress’s individual mandate will, by necessity, allow the compelled insurer access to Plaintiffs’ present and future medical information of a confidential nature. If judicially enforceable privacy rights mean anything, then private and confidential medical details certainly merit Constitutional protection. Plaintiffs should not be forced to disclose the most intimate details of their past, present and future medical information.
Do you have an STD? How many abortions have you had? How about a sexual dysfunction? Did your father or mother have cancer? Do you have a birth defect? Have you ever been prescribed drugs for a mental condition, such as anxiety or depression? There are many reasons people have concerns over their medical privacy. The desire to keep one’s medical history private is universal.
Privacy, choice, and Roe v. Wade
Medical privacy is so important that we have enshrined it as fundamental right in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution — just ask the Supreme Court, which even allows women to kill unborn children in order to protect their constitutional right to medical privacy.
If you want health insurance badly enough, you’ll probably choose to give up your medical privacy rights to an insurance corporation. But perhaps you are indifferent to buying health insurance in the first place, and really, you don’t want it in writing anywhere that you’ve had two abortions, or eat Viagra like popcorn. You’ve decided that it would just be better to pay for your healthcare directly and avoid the entire insurance hassle. What’s wrong with this choice? Nothing, if you believe in the concept of liberty.
Forcing citizens to enter into a contract to buy insurance is a bit different than requiring them to buy a loaf of bread. Congress cannot conceivably be said to have the power to force you to buy a loaf of bread, even though that would indeed have some effect on interstate commerce. Think about how much more egregious a denial of liberty it is to force people to contract with an insurance corporation. Those contracts create rights and obligations for both parties, but guess who gets to write the contract? Hint: insurance corporation lawyers. It’s an actual contract that you will actually be forced to sign by your government. You will not have any bargaining power to alter the contract; it’s not even a “take it or leave it” situation, it’s “take it or face the legal consequences.”
Which brings us to another important but poorly understood issue: Just what are the consequences? Exactly how will the mandate will be enforced? Unfortunately, this is something that none of us really know. Congress states outright that there will be a “penalty” assessed for citizens who disobey their command. These lawbreakers will have to pay an amount that will be assessed as a tax. Yes, we all know Congress has the power to tax, but remember, Congress itself has called this tax a “penalty.” As we explain in our Complaint,
Central to the definition of penalty is the “idea of punishment” – “[p]unishment imposed on a wrongdoer . . . in the form of imprisonment or fine. Though usually for crimes, penalties are also sometimes imposed for civil wrongs.” Black’s Law Dictionary 1153 (7th ed. 1999).
Yes, you wrongdoers who decide to go without insurance will be punished by the federal government. You will have to pay a special tax that applies only to wrongdoers like you. The Complaint points out that this “constitutes a capitation and a direct tax that is not apportioned among the states according to census data,” which is unconstitutional in itself. But this does not make great bedtime reading, so I’ll let you in on a secret: It’s a tax that they cannot make you pay.
A plain reading of the individual mandate shows that Congress first sets forth a penalty for failure to buy insurance, then says that regardless of anything written anywhere else in any other law, there can be no criminal penalty:
‘‘(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In the case of
any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed
by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any
criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
Then, to make it even very difficult (perhaps impossible) to civilly enforce the penalty/tax, Congress denied the government any power to file liens or levy any wrongdoer’s property:
‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Secretary
shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property
of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the
penalty imposed by this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to
such failure.’’.
If the feds cannot levy or lien you, then what can they do to get your money? Write scary letters to you? Just what happens to the authority of the federal government when people laugh at these scary letters?
What indeed. We have demanded in our Complaint that if the government has some trick up its sleeve, that we be told what it is. If we are to be punished for not buying something, we deserve to know ahead of time what that punishment might be. That’s not just an old American tradition, it’s a constitutional principle.
The alternative, of course, is for the feds to admit that there is no enforcement mechanism. Consider what that means for a minute: the pièce de résistance of the PPACA is the individual mandate. Without an enforcement mechanism, the individual mandate fails; without the mandate, the entire legislative act fails utterly.
If the government admits, or the federal judiciary declares, that there is no enforcement mechanism for the individual mandate, millions will be free to ignore it. We believe, though, that the lack of an enforcement mechanism makes the individual mandate unconstitutional for reasons that we will discuss further with the federal court for the Southern District of Mississippi.
A call to service
We’ve got Mississippi covered. Now we need for you to do your part to take back your liberty. This lawsuit can be filed in every state in the greatest nation on earth, and it should be. Wherever this abomination applies, there is at least one federal court, often many. Find them, take our lawsuit, change the names and file it. Add to it if you have more arguments. If you are serious about doing so and need information, we are easy to find.
We have much more to say about the unconstitutionality of this abominable act of Congress, and we’re looking forward to your comments. God bless America!
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Awesome job Mr. Lee & Senator McDaniel! I hope many others will follow in your footsteps. Perhaps there is still hope that we can kill the beast after all…
Awesome, the first of many I hope!
I say change the constitution. Make any congressman that votes for a law that causes harm to any individual personally liable. That would stop this nonsense right now!
And so the dismatling of the Progressive Agenda begins. Nobody will pay the "fine" even if the bill stands so the thing naught but rot anyhow and was all along. But, we already knew that.
Between the legal challenges and the State's nullification efforts, 0's healthcare bomb is just another mark on his list of grandiose failures.
God Bless America. This lawsuit needs to be filed in every state in the Union! After all this is the tactic used by the Left ALL the time – right? When in doubt, or in distress, then SUE! Sue! Sue! Sue!
One good deed by elected officials. These folks do not need to be voted out. Time will tell on many other elected officials based on decisions they make and actions they take.
Hopefully it will be successful. But I am not too optimistic it will be.
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Well, there are some straight shooters in office…. stand up for the small ones…. this should get interesting on how BAGHDAD BOB and his band of corrupt spinster will spin this one….I want to see how hig this will go and see if the VIRTIOL and RHETORIC that OBLABLA and his staff will push this…..
God bless you. You have my sincerest prayers for success.
Obama is a crook. If his insurance company doesn't perform, he can't be fired. If I pay into this shady healthcare scheme and they give defective service, I can't fire them. If I go to the VA and they do a terrible job, I can pay and go elsewhere.
By the way, aevery one in America has rights to housing, healthcare and groceries. Foior some reason, people think they have a right to enjoy without paying for medicine. Always take an opportunity to correct someone when they claim some 30 million without healthcare. The can pay for healthcare the same places I go.
The enforcement provisions are a red-herring. I've been thinking about this issue since reading about the provisions that appear to give the government no recourse against those that don't but insurance and don't pay the fine. I believe that, like any delinquent creditor, you will have a negative mark placed on your credit history, and that mark will be updated each time you incur the fine for failing to have government approved health care.
Just try to buy a house, or secure a car note with a couple of thousand dollars worth of fines/obligations on your credit report. Try to get a job with just about any company that performs background checks. You wont be able to do any of those things.
So, while the government won't go after you directly (at least at first), you will be harmed in many, many different ways. The mind boggles at the mischief this new law will cause, and I haven't even started to think about how the take over the student loan business is tied into this madness, but I'm certain that one won't qualify for student loans with a bad credit report.
Mississippi's gain was our (Wash. State) loss. Thank you Mr. Lee for your efforts to defeat this Big Government power grab.
Perhaps if you haven't already, you could get in touch with Wa.State Attorney General Rob McKenna, who is doing battle with Governor Chris Gregoire and the lib/dem legislature here over his participation in the joint anti-healthcare lawsuit being brought by several states.
Mr. Lee,
Thanks so much for passing your hard work onto all of us. I plan on sending this to the Governor of the state of Georgia who plans on filing suit using Independent Counsel because our state Attorney General (a Democrat) refuses to do so. Although I am an attorney, I am not a Constitutional attorney. So, I will also look for a conservative attorney specializing in the field to send it to and do everything in my power to assist them in filing and arguing it.
What is really required is the realization that rights are not granted by the government. They are things that cannot be taken away by the government (such as free speech, freedom to practice your religion, etc.). Taken in that light, obamacare could never be considered a right.
So I guess you're going after Medicare and Social Security too? Is that the way it goes?
You have no chance. None. And you know it. You're doing nothing but wasting valuable tax dollars. And you should lose your job over it. Jackass.
I think I got me a shiver goin' up my leg!
I've always said that they'd have to throw me in jail before I gave the one thin dime to be forced to buy what they told me to buy.
Any Lawyers in Louisiana want to get on with this? Reply below.
Im from Washington state—Im calling the Attorney General RIGHT THIS MINUTE!
I think I finally get it: the US CON'sTITUTION must be different than my edition, surely!
Seriously, to think that the politics in Washington did NOT consult legions of lawyers about the consitutional status of ObamaCare is retarded. But then Southerners are retarded. And just plain evil.
In the first 8 years of this millennium, I had huge disagreements with the politics of our President. Yes, there were times, when my friends said they wanted to leave- but never once had any of us thought of a secession.
That's because we're patriotic, while that Southerners are only conservative.
Hopefully we can get all states (By Odumbo's count 57) to file.
I hope you got your fees up front, boys, because this puppy is going nowhere.
"We believe, though, that the lack of an enforcement mechanism makes the individual mandate unconstitutional"
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lol what BS
Uh, part of Congress's logic in compelling this mandate under the Commerce Clause is that the purchase of said health insurance policy is covered under Interstate Commerce.
Beggin' your pardon, folks, but didn't the folks in DC specifically preclude purchase of Health Insurance across state lines? Which is why allowing such a purchase is part of the proposed Republican remedy to this abominable bill?
If true, the reasoning behind the grounds for levying the mandate is completely bogus. "We can cover this because it's interstate commerce, even though we prevent companies from selling their product across state lines"
1. Since the IRS will become the "police" to enforce ObamaCare, our supposedly "private" IRS information will be available to almost anyone anywhere.
2. The penalties cannot be a "tax" because the money is destined to go to private corporations who offer health insurance and other services.
Gee, if we get anywhere near 3/4 of the states to file, it is over. They concede or we write an amendment that will strip the commerce clause of all it's misuses and tie their hands forever. Hey, not a bad idea…
The problem is the 'government' will take your tax return. It's the IRS enforcing this, they brought down Al Capone. IRS = terrorist organization. Can I say that or will I get in trouble? Comparing the IRS to terrorists.
Anon bass ackward
Why should you care about wasting taxes? You don't pay any. My name is Jack and you're the ass.
And your last name is Off
That's one way of looking at it.
I used to think like you. I wanted to be right so bad, just like you. I wanted to show all these people how stupid they were, just like you. I used to call them names and was really mean to them, just like you. I thought I could make them argue with me instead of discussing the real issues, just like you.
But it just didn't work. They're not like the red diaper babies at huffpo. They always have better arguments than me, and I started to listen to them and learn. I started to read the articles they suggested and before I knew what was happening, I started to agree with them.
So if you value your ignorance; if your arrogance means anything to you; if you have any desire to continue in your dark and deviant psychosis, then please take my advice.
RUN! Run from these enlightened souls. Lest you fall under their spell, and become a rational, thinking human being.
You are patriotic to a socialist state and you have no clue why.
And this: “Southerners are retarded. And just plain evil”,
Shows you practice racism and hatred to people and you have no clue why.
Au contraire, the statute specifically makes it so that the IRS cannot enforce the penalty.
Outstanding work!!
Southerners ain't a race, they are a level of mental retardation (right between "idiots" and "cretins").
Please put this troll on IGNORE. Waste of time. Seriously.
Thank you Mississippi for leading the way to restore the Constitution as the framers intended.
Notice is duly given that the people do not agree with your politics, the dirty backroom deals, and the arm twisting that gave way to this monstrosity called Obamacare. The people have grown tired of the lies and the politics as usual, the wasteful spending and the negligence to secure our borders. Out with the traitors and those who wish to redefine the Constitution of the United States of America.
Long live America!
The Home of the Brave
and the Free. Where
Liberty and the Pursuit
of Happiness is not a
man made Right, but a
God Given Right.
God Bless America.
Is it ok for you to use the "R" word for the same reason it's ok for black people to use the "N" word?
Before Obamacare was forced on the country, I figured out that a person's medical records would no longer fall into the doctor-patient confidentiality catagory. Anyone could have access to that private information. Remember back in the 80s and 90s when HIV/AIDS infected persons were concerned about their diagnosis being leaked? They were concerned about losing their jobs and/or maybe their housing. Add to that their concern about the expensive treatments and the various meds and how they were going to afford them. They really need to be concerned under Obamacare.
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There are 50 States. 3/4 of that is 37.5 and I believe there have been 40 states to file cases. The very day it was signed 38 states exerted their states rights and filed suits. 38 States qualifies as 3/4.
Wow Assnon you sure are slick…………I think i will be original and spell my name backwards…duh nobody would duhh ever think drool of that…..I told you PUT THE BONG DOWN your Mom is calling you for dinner
We conservatives are unrepresented here in Oregon. The AG and governor have already refused to join the lawsuit brigade. They LOVE Marxism. Godspeed to the rest of you who are able to take part in trying to beat this thing back.
How cute the trolls are today.
check this out
Florida doctor's sign warns away Obama supporters
Associated Press/AP Online
MOUNT DORA, Fla. – A central Florida urologist has posted a sign on his office door warning supporters of President Barack Obama to find a different doctor.
The notice on Dr. Jack Cassell's Mount Dora practice says, "If you voted for Obama, seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four years."
Cassell told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday he wasn't questioning patients or refusing care, because that would be unethical.
"But if they read the sign and turn the other way, so be it," he said.
Cassell, 56, also provides Republican reading material in the waiting room – probably not a risky move, given that Mount Dora's 10,000 residents and the surrounding area lean heavily conservative. Above a stack of GOP health care literature, a sign reads: "This is what the morons in Washington have done to your health care. Take one, read it and vote out anyone who voted for it."
The Florida Department of Health's Division of Medical Quality Assurance, which investigates complaints and handles licensing, did not immediately return telephone messages seeking comment on Friday.
A University of Florida professor said Cassell is walking a thin line between right and wrong. William Allen, a professor in bioethics, law and medical professionalism, said civil rights protections prevent patient discrimination. But the law only provides for race, gender, religion, sexual orientation and disability – not political opinion.
Allen said Cassell may be within his rights if he doesn't quiz patients about their politics and hasn't refused to see anyone.
"(He's) trying to hold onto the nub of his ethical obligation," Allen said. "But this is pushing the limit."
Cassell has been practicing in the area since 1988. His wife, Leslie Campione, is a lawyer and GOP candidate for the county commission.
Cassell says most patients have been extremely supportive, though three had complained.
"They know it's not good for them," Cassell said.
Mr. Lee.
Will you post a place where the word docs and research can be downloaded or emailed from? Thanks for sharing with all of us out here. Guess those law degrees may come in handy…….
In a constitutionally compliant perfect world, the entitlement programs would be properly run by locally controlled private or public entities at the discretion of the local communities. Our world is not perfect. I find it curious that people cling to the justification for the health care bill on the premise that we have Medicare and Social Security so it is okay to force me to give more of my money against my measured judgment of the value of the outcome for my investment to support a federal government entitlement program when I am absolutely certain, and can probably prove even to you
, that it will be less effectively run than reputable private charities.
I also find it fascinating that the original goal was to control the costs of health care and make it affordable to more people. Costs rose 20% in publicly funded medical care programs over the same period in which they rose around 8% in the private sector, according to a recent data round-up. Those numbers can be Binged, (I no longer Google).
The Manhattan Institute published this in its report; "The empirical analysis presented in this study suggests strongly that the real economic cost of delivering health-insurance benefits under a single-payer system would be substantially greater—at a minimum, roughly double—than that under the current private system. Moreover, the administrative and other net costs of private health-insurance programs are very likely to be efficient in terms of satisfying the preferences of consumers. Such benefits of market institutions should not be discarded lightly."
I understand that this bill does not provide a single payer system, but basic elemental understanding of supply/demand and profit/loss leads us to expect with certainty, an eventual collapse of the insurance programs in this bill. The private sector cannot support the costs of required added service with less compensation. There is no room for profit. Without even the current three percent profit, there will be no private investors, that means no money and the company fails. When the government "bails them out" of that failure, the purpose of this bill will become clear as the government will be de facto providing health care. I have found no other plausible result.
Additionally, the factors which drive up costs are simply not addressed in this bill. Over 150 new federal agencies are being established requiring salaries and legacy costs for those employees. The costs to be controlled are in the medical industry side of the equation, not in the middleman insurance companies. I see that even congress has no desire to take over the burdensome costs of medical research which is astronomically expensive. The cost of doing business for doctors is commonly disproportionate to their current pay, and Texas has a successful tort reform program that could be looked at to lower those costs.
No one mentions that we pay a great deal more for drugs here than in other countries because the drug companies can make up their losses incurred by selling under market price to France and Canada, as examples, by charging more to Americans.
I don't recall the exact number, but after this is fully implemented there will still be 7-12 million people uninsured. As we originally heard, those who were legally here and unable to provide for their own care was estimated to be 7-12 million. Without knowing more, that this bill successfully addresses that issue is a matter of blind faith.
I submit that this bill is not designed to lower the costs of health care. What it is designed to do besides grow the federal work force is yet to be proven. However, you don't have to be Einstein to see a freight train coming down the tracks.
I love it!! Three cheers for the good (and intelligent) Dr Cassell. I'd bet real money that other docs will follow similar approaches.
Get your local Tea Party to find a conservative constitutional lawyer in your area to bring this suit. You can join as a private citizen plaintiff, assuming that the standing is viable.
Keep on drinking the kool-aid. No one is being forced to buy anything. However, if you do not have insurance, you will pay a tax to offset the costs that the uninsured place upon the insured and the government. I simply can not believe the level of ignorance on display. In 1992, the GOP filed a health insurance proposal which contained a universal mandate. Rusty the Chickenhawk loved this plan. Now, all of a sudden he is against it because it was proposed by Obama. You lemmings can not see how hypocritical you are. On one hand, you vilify and I mean vilify every welfare mama because they are passing the costs of their children down to society. However, when a person does the same thing with their health care, they suddenly become a freedom fighter. I certainly hope you get nailed by Rule 11, just like the "Queen of the Birthers".
I would like to add the fact that Obeymecare is also discriminatory due to the 10% tax on tanning salons. How many black people frequent tanning salons? My guess would be zero. Can you imagine what the Black Caucus , NAACP,
Acorn, or any other organization would be doing if this legislation imposed a tax on a service or product that
was only used by blacks? They would be screaming from the rooftops led by none other than Al Sharpton and
Jesse Jackson. Of course, no one dares talk about this particular item because it might be construed as being
"racist" , and though I am not a fake baker, it irritates the crap out of me that tanning salon users are being singled out
in this manner. Why not add a tax on all sunbathers at the beach as well- at least that way blacks would be included
as they do vacation at the beach?
If that's all you can get, go for it.
Good handle, guess no one wants to hire you?
I mean if you actually tried to get a job, and not the kind you offer to old guys in the park
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No actually I don't think any of you asshats care a whit about the constitution, or even understand it, but lets ask the dim-o-crat clown crew and see what they have to say
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Patriotic to what? Your free stuff? That's going … going …. gone real soon, will leave then, please?
Ah yes, I can see the wisdom in your words, worthy of Robert Byrd himself.
Kind of like your life?
I remember reading something about a clause in there about a government agency that will make a decision on whether or not you receive treatment and that you will not be able to sue that agency and it will also be immune from congressional over-site. Isn't the Government creating an agency that we have no recourse against also against the constitution? It's even worse since if that agency does actually exist then even if you could fight it there maybe times when you won't have time (heart attacks).
Anybody know for sure if such clause does or doesn't exist?
You mean because of the good and welfare clause?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/02/democr...
Dim-o-crat's next bill is to make talking about stupidity a crime it's called the "Dim-o-crat self preservation bill", I suspect it will be voted on right down partisan lines.
God bless you for taking the time to try and stop our downward spiral into socialism. My children and grandchildren are not going to grow up in the same country we had the good fortune to grow up in. Everyday we lose more and more of liberty. We DO NOT NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CARE OF US. Our politicians have become corrupt with their power. It's time to look at term limits for Congress and to invoke a rule that any laws or programs passed by Congress apply to them as well. When did we become an empire and they the privledged class?
Made me laugh, can't properly attribute, you should have seen the photo shop they did on her head
A major research institution has just announced the discovery of the densest element yet known to science. The new element has been named Pelosium. Pelosium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 311.
These particles are held together by dark forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.
The symbol of Pelosium is PU.
Pelosium's mass actually increases over time, as morons randomly interact with various elements in the atmosphere and become assistant deputy neutrons within the Pelosium molecule, leading to the formation of isodopes.
This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to believe that Pelosium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as Critical Morass.
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Hey FluffersLoveBo, obama campaigned AGAINST "universal mandates," he didn't "propose" them. He did sign a bill that included "universal mandates," but you say "No one is being forced to buy anything."
So there IS a "mandate," but nobody is being forced. I see. And you want to throw the word "ignorance" around?
I hope you know how pathetic you're argument is.
I dont have to buy anything……really…Did you tell Obama that Bo said I do not have to play if I dont want too…And I will pay a tax to offset people that do not have insurance should I pay a tax to offset fat people how about drug users. We want to pass down the cost…what a laugh…We want people to get off their asses and pay for their own jerk…..There are people in this world that just DO NOT WANT TO BE PRODUCTIVE no matter how much you give them….
You have been misinformed. What has been set up under the Commerce Clause are the insurance exchanges which allow persons to purchase insurance across state lines. This is clearly constitutional. The enforcement mechanism is to require a person who does not have health insurance to pay a tax. Under the law, a rational basis for a tax is not required. However, there is a rational basis for this tax because Uncle Sam is picking up a portion of the uninsureds' medical care. This is clearly constitutional.
I've been saying for months that the very under-pinning of Roe vs Wade — "privacy" — is completely undermined by this bill. About time someone else picked up on this!
Besides, don't overpay your taxes in the first place and they can't take it anyway!
There once was a troll named anon-nona…
Who at the very mention of Obama got a Boehner…
But when November came 'around,
Guess who was nowhere to be found?
That's right! Anon-nona was a goner…
How do you know the fat, drug users do not have insurance. After all, I am certain Rusty the Chickenhawk does so he will not be paying the tax. You really need to take a course on logic.
There is a casual nexus between the tax and the problem it is attempting to solve. I am sorry you can not understand this simple concept. All you have to do to avoid the tax is not have any taxable income.
Having Big Bro snooping in all our private medical information is abhorrent to me. I was thinking about this earlier today- the privacy of every American will be compromised by bureaucrats digging into their personal history to make decisions. I want only my doctor to know me warts & all, so to speak.
The day Obama either resigns or is impeached will herald a new day for this country! The fog of depression that now has a choke-hold on most Americans will lift, and we will see such an explosion of productivity and good-will that we will enter a new age of prosperity and liberty!
You must have not read the 29 page complaint. It is really unlikely that lack of activity to engage in commerce can be regulated by the commerce clause which is to reduce issues related to interstate commerce, Healthcare is actually dictated by the states, there are no interstate issues at all. THere are no insurance companies that do interstate commerce it is regulated by the state, so by definition, it in INTRAstate, not interstate. Case closed. We win 5-4 notianally because all the liberal tyrants would normally vote for it. But, Here is a prediction. unanamous because even some of the liberals will realize this is unconstitutional and when there is a 7-2 majority the other liberals will run away from it.
"All you have to do to avoid the tax is not have any taxable income."
Ohhh. Is that all?
So we've been given a choice between destitution and despotism. What a deal. You can go on "LovingBo," but you'll understand if I choose to piss on both of those choices.
Good Luck with this lawsuit, and thanks for taking it on!
Still ROFLMAO! I love it!
Tell me, does AGW have any impact on the rate of expansion of Pelosium? I.e.: does the windbag effect get demonstrably worse over time?
I am not particularly fond of lawyers, but it appears that their day has arrived.
It was said with sarcasm. Now go to the mirror and ask yourself the following question. Does Uncle Sam pick up any part of the tab of the uninsured? If you answer this question truthfully, you will understand the basis for the tax. Now while you are at the mirror, ask yourself another question. Did the Republicans attempt to pass a law in 1993 which included an universal mandate? Do not go away yet. Ask yourself another question. In 1993, did Rusty the Chickenhawk support the Republican proposal? Finally, one final answer. Do you know what a hypocrite is?
Your take on Southerners there Twinkie,…………
You just may be on to something,……………….
Reading your little tantrums,………Good ol boy Bill Clinton sure comes to mind.
We were told that the I.R.S. would enforce compliance. If there is some way for them to transfer the penalty into our fed. income tax file, then they will usurp the authority to penalize us through the usual (i.e. treacherous) I.R.S. venues.
1993 is a year that you have been flapping your jaws for quite a while there Huskhead…..and,………..
you seem to be an expert on it, so let me ask you this and you needn't go to a mirror.
Which party was in control of the House in 1993 and ,…………
what was Hillery Clinton doing at that time,……..now just one more question,……………
was this "Republican universal health care" proposal part of the congressional agenda in 1994.
you do remember what happened in that year don't you,………………..
for one thing Hillery started baking cookies.
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There are lots more coming down the pipe.
"All you have to do to avoid the tax is not have any taxable income." "It was said with sarcasm."
What you call "sarcasm," I call the logical consequence of authoritarian governmental mandates on businesses and individuals. Businesses will downsize, drop insurance plans, or close their doors, adding to unemployment. The unemployed will have no income in order to comply with the insurance mandate. Formerly middle class workers will join the ranks of the poor. And states will shoulder an increasing burden of caring for the new destitute.
So to answer your first question, "Uncle Sam" will be "picking up the tab" (not with its own money, but money from the tax payers) for an exponentially larger number of the "uninsured" BECAUSE of the effect of the "universal mandates"
As for your second question, I don't give a rat's ass what was proposed (never voted on, never even debated) by the Republicans 17 years ago. I oppose it now, I opposed it then.
As for your third, I don't know who "Rusty the Chickenhawk" is. Is he related to Fluffer the BoLover?
And finally, do I know what a "hypocrite" is. Sure I do. And after having this discussion with you, I've also gained a better understanding of what an arrogant prick is.
So as I read this, if no liens can be applied to a property and no levy can be applied to collect the penalties, there was an intention to make the penalty only really apply to those who actually care about their credit.
It seems to me that there was actually no intention to have the newly insured actually pay for anything. It was nothing but a wealth transfer tax, as many of use have been thinking all along.
Kinda the whole 'victim' mentality that infests everything they say and do!
and wonderful Carter
ha ha ha – poor dense Bo – keep believin'!!
If there is an attorney in Texas who wants to take this on, I will be more than happy to serve as the plaintiff. Contact me at antimedia@tx.rr.com if you are interested.
It's sole purpose was for control – look at any country that fell to communism and you will see the method used, it's healthcare – when 'they' control your health (which this pos bill will do) then 'they' can control the people.
It's annoying as hell that there are so many ignorant people with no rational thought to see what is right in front, but rather they choose to be satisfied in their hatred for the imagined rich people being greedy, and dreaming of a life on easy street – housing, schooling, healthcare – woo hoo, such a productive life to strive for!
How anyone who can overlook the obvious is stunning niave, and I hope they wake up soon, they are useless to society and the way this train is rolling, they will be the first to go -
Its purpose is quite nefarious. Only a fool would pay the fine if there is no enforcement mechanism. The end result is that healthy young people will not buy insurance until they really need it. And since there are no pre-existing exemptions allowed any more, no matter what their problem is, they will be able to immediately buy insurance to take care of the problem.
The end result will be that Congress will be "forced" to raise taxes and eventually implement a single payer system (since insurance companies will go bankrupt trying to pay the claims without being able to raise their rates), which was their goal all along.
RE: "But then Southerners are retarded. And just plain evil."
Once more Lefties show their bigotry and hate.
Hmm. Maybe you should take a page from your Leftist "morals" and ask yourself, "what have I done that makes them dislike me? Maybe it is my radical Leftist policies. I should go on an apology tour and ask for forgiveness for all of the hatred and bigotry I have shown the American South all of these years…"
Couldn't have said it better myself John! 'arrogant prick' is spot on – this dope is so freakin full of himself and his perceived insight/intelligence when in reality, he knows so little it's comical!
Here's a hypocrite for you – take a lib like Bo who has a tubby lil kid who trick-or-treats a 3 mile area on Halloween cuz the kid loves candy. When the kid gets home the door bell rings and it's the neighbors kid who didn't go out and hit the street trolling for candy – he tells the tubby kid he wants his candy, and guess what Bo the libs tubby kid does? He punches the neighbor in the nose and slams the door! Yep, a lib wouldn't share his free cookies but the same lib wants everyone else to share theirs.
CONSIDERING THE BUSH YEARS LEFT US AT NEGATIVE "F" STATUS…Obama is
doing a fine job. He's actually trying to resolve our issues rather
than placing flowers on top of the shyt. No more floral smelling shyt
but actual measurable results. I can see how that could shake people up because they are used to being LIED to. In most cases, a lie is a pill easier to swallow than the truth.
Yes it does exist – the way I understand it, it's a matter of the doctor gaining permission from whatever or whoever the 'panel' is on what is allowed, and the decision the panel makes CANNOT be appealed.
Now I ask all you stupid trolls, how is that not going to become the ultimate death panel?
If an 70 year old needs new medicine to control a chronic ailment, what are the odds that this panel is going to approve the cost it would require to medicate this person who potentially can live for 10-15 more years –
the chances are pretty unlikely in my book, but hey, if all the Bo's of the world like it, then I suggest you be first in line to get denied – it's the method to rid the country of those the Progessives deem useless -
Can anyone get on board this suit?
Between McDaniel and Joe Tegerdine team Mississippi fight for freedom could go far. http://www.joetegerdine.com
On what basis is standing asserted? If private citizens have standing to sue right now, I will file my papers tomorrow.
Win or lose this is going to go bad for the dim-o-crats, we win and they look like fools, they win they look like tyrants.
Either way it's bad news for the Dim's in November.
Thanks to Senator McDaniel and Mr. Lee for standing in the gap for Mississippi residents by filing this lawsuit on behalf of our state. Our Attorney General, Jim Hood, needs to accept his responsibility to also file on behalf of our state as Governor Barbour has requested him to do.
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