Pilgrims and Minutemen: Lessons for the Left from 1623 and 1776
by Kerry J. ByrneMisguided leftists can learn a lot from American history. They can learn a lot, specifically, from the lessons provided us by the Pilgrims clinging to life on the Massachusetts coast in 1623 and by the wide-eyed British invaders who set foot on the New World in 1776.

Just ask Nathaniel Philbrick and David McCullough, two of the nation’s most popular contemporary historians.
I couldn’t help but notice very illuminating (and perhaps unintended) odes to traditional conservative values in recent works by each author about pivotal moments in American history.
The first illuminating passage came in Philbrick’s spectacular book, “Mayflower: A Story of Courage, Community and War.”
He does an incredible job of taking the pop-culture caricature of the Pilgrims and bringing their real story to life – real humans with real struggles and hopes and dreams.
You know the basic story of the early days of the Plymouth Colony. The settlers had trouble feeding themselves in the first few years, to the point that starvation was a very real problem. But they quickly found a solution.
Here are Philbrick’s words:
“The fall of 1623 marked the end of Plymouth’s debilitating food shortages. For the last two planting seasons, the Pilgrims had grown crops communally … but as the disastrous harvest of the previous fall had shown, something drastic needed to be done to increase the annual yield.”
So here’s what happened:
“(Governor William) Bradford decided that each household should be assigned his own plot to cultivate, with the understanding that each family kept whatever it grew. The change in attitude was stunning. Families were now willing to work much harder than they had ever worked before … The Pilgrims had stumbled upon the power of capitalism. Although the fortunes of the colony still teetered precariously in the years ahead, the inhabitants never again starved.”
The bounty of the land, its ability to provide for hard-working individualists, was never again in doubt.
If you need proof, simply fast forward 150 years through history to another illuminating passage, this one found in McCullough’s “1776,” his masterpiece about the darkest but most celebrated year in American history.
He describes the reaction of King George’s troops when they landed during the amphibious invasion of Brooklyn on Aug. 22.
“The Hessian and British troops alike were astonished to find Americans blessed with such abundance – substantial farmhouses and furnishings. ‘In all the fields the finest fruit is to be found,’ Lieutenant von Bardeleben wrote … ‘The peach and apple trees are especially numerous … The houses, in part, are made only of wood and the furnishings in them are excellent. Comfort, beauty, and cleanliness are readily apparent’”
It pays to remember that these visitors were not from some poor foreign land. They were, instead, agents of the world’s mightiest empire, an empire with vast resources from their holdings in every corner of the earth. Nobody enjoyed access to more material advantages than the British. Yet even they were impressed by the wealth that they witnessed upon arriving on America’s shores.
McCullough goes on to write:
“Americans of 1776 enjoyed a higher standard of living than any people in the world. Their material wealth was considerably less than it would become in time, still it was a great deal more than others had elsewhere.”
McCullough believes “that it must have been incomprehensible to the invaders that people with so much would rebel against their rulers.”
But the invaders, if they asked the question, were looking at things the wrong way.
The wealth and bounty of the people, greater than that of any others in the world, did not come from some central authority; it was not granted by the largesse of London, much like wealth and growth cannot be granted by Washington today.
In fact, the people only rebelled when it became clear that London wanted a piece of the action, and wanted to intercede into the lives of a people who enjoyed a level of autonomy unlike that of any people in the history of the world.
This autonomy, this need to answer only to themselves and to their local communities, had made a sparsely populated group of settlers on the Atlantic Coast the wealthiest corner of the world in the space of just 150 years.
This wealth was created by the hard work and individual initiative of the people themselves, who owed little of that wealth to a central authority. It took the Pilgrims just two planting seasons to figure it all out.
Yet nearly 400 years later, American leftists still don’t get it.






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I think the most profound sentence in this article is this: "The bounty of the land, its ability to provide for hard-working individualists, was never again in doubt." They didn't rely on their neighbor, their community, or the government to bail them out. They took individual initiative, put their nose's to the grindstone, and made their own success with THEIR OWN efforts.
Flash forward to today's society, where the current administration wants to remove incentives for individual ingenuity and enterprise (in some cases PUNISHING SUCCESS), and instead force American's into a dependence on Big Government bureaucracy and a "we know what's good for you – whether you like it or not" mentality. As has been said in many places, these Lib's not only don't understand history, they don't want to learn from the mistakes of the past and insist on moving forward with programs and initiatives that have been PROVEN both in our country and throughout the world that THEY DON'T WORK, STUPID. Eight months and we get to tell Obama how we feel about his "Hope and Change" Marxist agenda.
Good luck with all of that.
The American left are theaves and crooks, at best just lazy. If you realy wanted socalism Cuba is 90 miles away. If Lee Harvy Oswald stayed in Russia the world would be a better place, but no capitalist crums are better than socalist cake. So he came back.
The left does not care about how much wealth we have, they want control. Control uber allis.
Oh, look.
It's back.
"This wealth was created by the hard work and individual initiative of the people themselves, who owed little of that wealth to a central authority."
No Politburo?
How enlightened the Pilgrims were!
Enchante'.
Well, the pinhead is back for another drubbing!
If you were capable of reading without dribbling from your moving lips, anumb, you would have picked up on the fact that the Pilgrims' pious experiment in communalism failed, and since starvation tends to concentrate the mind wonderfully they abandoned it and harnessed the amazing, miraculous power of enlighted self-interest.
Not commies, communal living. The lesson is that humans need personel encouragement to produce, which is lacking when their needs are met whether the effort is great or small. Belief in God is not enough for people to work, thus the work or no food rule. This was taught in elementary school, your answer shows your lack of curiosity and willing to work hard just like the pilgrims were before the incentive.
Please, let us also not forget that many/most of those European immigrants to America were also unabashedly religious, and conveyed that in their writings as they discussed and argued for liberty and freedom
The Pilgrims were not the first. Ten years before in Virginia, High Marshal Sir Thomas Dale recognized exactly the same problem at Jamestown, and so (without Company approval) divided up the communal lands into private real estate.
Not only did the food shortages end, but on one of those plots John Rolfe started raising a hybrid of local and Caribbean tobaccos which would make himself, and the Colony, rich.
God you people are stupid.
How ya doin’, jharp? Running out of other blogs to troll?
I guess Obama was busy smokin dope and snortin coke and missed the rudimentary American history lesson
Yes and he was too busy hanging out with Marxists and trying to figure out how to deconstruct and destroy our Constitution.
I missed the part about what was done for those too old or too sick to tend to their own plot.
Did they let them starve?
Self determination and personal responsibility.
A great deal of the problems our society has today would not be were these two things practiced.
Strange, isn't it.
I'm familiar with the phrase, "Stuck on stupid" – but I seldom see it in action,
Odd way of appealing to the Deity …
And now the parasitic elites are taking too much of the people's wealth, and too much of their power. It is time to claim both wealth and power as ours, and take it back.
"In fact, the people only rebelled when it became clear that London wanted a piece of the action, and wanted to intercede into the lives of a people who enjoyed a level of autonomy unlike that of any people in the history of the world."..
.just replace the word London with Washington D.C,. and history is repeated!!!
His mom only lets him use her computer when shes not home.
No, they tried a pragmatic form of Socialism and found that they were likely on track to not survive, so they abandoned it.
And, you know, to this day folks are still astonished when they land in Brooklyn for the foist time…
I'm glad you mentioned this. I would have had you not. Jamestown nearly died due to communal practices. Since everyone got a share of what there was, no one felt any incentive to work to increase the colony's resources. That led to a rule of "no work, no eat," but even that only barely made ends meet until they started letting the colonists have the rights to the fruits of their labors.
Gee, I guess that's what family ties and Christian charity were for. Too bad those things have been steadily eroded in this country.
The founders got it right but progressives want to destroy what they built to 'experiment' socialism…
The experiment has failed everywhere it has ever been attempted and a simple change of venue for the experiment always results in the test subjects violently rejecting it…
Good luck with that proglodytes…
This is precisely why American History was changed to "social studies" in the public schools.
Its amazing the difference in people when they can prosper from their labor. Its human nature plain and simple.
Yes. They actively practiced cannibalism.
Azzhole.
Yeah, and it doesn't seem to realize we're laughing at it.
Senor Anon, vainly trying to "get this straight", says "God you people are stupid". How's this: The lesson from the Pilgims here is that group productivity increased when the farmers worked for their own individual self-interest. So the crop yield was higher overall for the group than when they farmed as a commune or as a collective. Once again illustrating how our human condition flourishes under Capitalism more so than in a Socialist or Communist system.
I'm sorry you think all of us are stupid. At least we're not angry.
Maybe this is part of why people who live on welfare don't feel compelled to work or better themselves? They get their slice of the pie no matter what they don't do.
When people are given the clear chance to keep and dispose of their property as they see fit, there is greater opportunity for all to reach the level of happiness they pursue. Too bad the government is looking for more and more ways to rob us of our hard-earned property.
That is where the Christian principles came in. You might not know it from the bulk of today's Christian Churches but the Bible directs Christians to take care of those in need, and from the inception of the colonies until the mid-20th Century most Christians in America took this directive to heart.
Perhaps if Christians in the USA still took this mandate seriously there would not be a gaping void that the Socialist Left could attempt to fill with Free Bubble-Up and Rainbow Stew.
GuyAvg
Don't fool yourself. That ass wipe doesn't believe in God OR Capitalism. I've scraped more interesting things off the sole of my boots.
Read a history book, pinhead.
Don't feed the troll.
That is where the Christian Faith came into play. The Bible directs Christians to provide for the widows and orphans and to do good to those who are in need. Simply put, back then people took care of others who were in need, period.
There were no "steal from the taxpayers to feed the poor" programs then, just people who were willing to be charitable, who knew that if they were in need someday that their needs would be met as well.
If the majority of Christian Churches today put this into practice maybe the void that the government is trying to fill would not be there.
They were eaten
Y'all are being way to hard on "anon". He/she quit reading when he/she saw what he/she wanted to see. The intellectual vigor of a leftist always ends when they hear, see, or read what they had hoped to see, hear, or read. In this case it probably was the result of his/her lips getting too tired to continue.
Old lady stew ain't that bad if you cook them long enough.
No, the sick became blog trolls and the old were made hosts of "Real Time with Bill Maher"…
might have been eaten in Jamestown, it was differnt times
Not only that, but when you work communally you tend to lose perspective of your own personal long term needs. The tendency is to underestimate them because you think someone else will probably take up the slack. Unfortunately, everyone else is thinking the same way! As soon as you realize you're on your own, you start planning and working more realistically. The attitude becomes one of: If I produce too much, I am free to sell or barter my surplus as I see fit!
Only lazy Commies and ProgLib tards like anon fail to grasp the truth of this. Hopefully they will all soon starve to death and we'll be rid of them for good. My days of supporting them are over.
dude ate his wife during the starvation at Jamestown Virginia, bet he was a liberal
Someone's been studying their VA history. Good for you! And right you are, as well.
We're laughing at you, anon.
The Bamster's version of American history begins in the cargo hold of a slave ship. That's all he'll ever see or care about.
Read a book and learn for yourself. Why would you even ask us if your opinion of us is so low? You're nothing but a trouble making little rat turd.
Unless it is Progresso Pelosi……………..
History doesn't repeat itself, but it DOES rhyme.
Nope, anon, it is YOU who is STUPID !
The Mass. Bay Colony tried COMMUNISM before that philosophy was named or existed in Europe; it's an old concept that doesn't ever work.
WHY DON'T YOU KNOW THIS HISTORICAL BIT ?
This stuff was taught, even in public grammar schools, 50 years ago.
Number of times Anon has ended a two sentence post with the third sentence "God you people are stupid": Incalculable.
Anon, questions about our competence aside, our vocabulary and ability to form a coherent argument far outstrips yours.
You should ask rahm-it-through if you're a tardo
That it was, Malachi, though I have the feeling that it no longer is.
Oh, I think the modern day leftists totally get it: if there's no communism for them to "manage" then they have to go out and compete with their intellect and skills for jobs just like everyone else.
Obviously, aharris, anon skipped school and never learned anything at all.
You ended a post without "God you people are stupid"! That's good Anon, keep taking baby steps and eventually you might actually be able to write a full paragraph.
All i can say is remember Opharaohs interview with george stpanopolis when O said "according to my muslim faith,," and Stepanopolis said .."you mean your christian faith…" did you see that? weird stuff man…
I don't think there is any meat on that carcass. But, if you can cook her, I'll eat her…just to save the country.
It's getting her clothes off that's the rough part…
Why would I strive for great wealth when I know the government is going to confiscate it and give it to my lazy neighbor? The left is all about taking wealth from individuals under the mask of "leveling" the playing field. The field was level the day we were born. What you do from that day forward is entirely up to you. You are where you are in life from decisions you've made, good or bad. Everyone doesn't wind up with the same results. Some people work harder, some are smarter, and some are just down right lucky in life. Then there's the progressives and quids. They keep looking in their neighbors back yard to see what they can steal from them.
Anon is most likely unfamiliar with the psychological phenomenon of projection.
Anon, you thought the Pilgrims who worked their own land for their own profit would simply let those who were unable to produce starve. That seemed the normal, and only possibility to YOU. Why did YOUR mind come up with this utterly unthinkable concept, Anon? Because it's what YOU would have done, otherwise why think it?
They were strung up, defleshed and slow roasted over an open fire……………..and served with a glass of chianti.
God are you stupid.
If it's possible to take it back, why not do it. However, if not, we need to continue our lives. Remember, something produced in a wrong way won't definitely last forever.
What friggin' part of the word "HISTORY" do you fail to understand?
eww, bad visual
Personally, I wish Obombus would go back to his drugs and leave my beloved country alone.
Are you assuming anon is a producer?
Anon is an interersting person. It takes a special type to seek out this type of attention. Mommy and Daddy may not have loved him, so he seeks his attention anyway he can get it. I find the attack on conservatives as being stupid so wrong. As a formal liberal with a post-graduate degree, I know from experience that the recent conservative movement is full of smart and smart/educated folks.
Such stories as Aesop's fables need to be returned to the classroom and taught. There are many other good moral stories by other authors that should be included. Such CRAP as "Johnny Has Two Mommies" need not apply.
The larger the group the smaller the responsibility there is for each individual thus explaining their smaller crop yield. Its when people help themselves that they help others in the end.
If you really read the history of the pilgrims carefully, what they were trying to do was imitate the communal arrangements that the pre-Christians had. Their failure wasn't only about motivation but also because of the fact that the "Followers of the Way," as they called themselves before the term Christian was coined by the Romans, had exterior economies to interact with to make their communes workable. The pilgrims had none of that because the Americas back then were not economically developed. Beyond that, then, the lesson is that communes can work only when they are small, voluntary, and have an external entrepreneurial economy to feed off of by bartering goods and services outside of the commune. Entire societies based on communism will always fail because of this seldom pointed out fact. That's what the leftards don't get.
Anon, you ignorant slut…..can you say EMPOWERMENT?
There you go again, displaying to all the world how poorly the Left understands history. BTW, just in case you hadn't noticed, you also displayed an appalling amount of stupidity.
Twisting facts and calling names. Typical.
Shucks, 'pwrecker', I just know you're talkin' 'bout me….
I don’t think many lefties were raised on a farm. When you are raised on a farm, you realize that you can make a difference, you can take care of yourself, and you know how to work.
But if you were a leftie you would want to take the farmers cows and pass them around among the villagers. Soon, the villagers would realize that the cows have to be milked twice a day, fed, watered, and crap on everything. It isn’t long before the lefties kill and eat the cows, then there are now no jobs on the farm, no milk, and no meat. It is always the way it goes. It sounds so good to take and pass cows around until you try it.
Yes, Anon, the pilgrims were commies. Until they ditched that failed model and tried individualism.
And, no. We people are not stupid. You are stupid.
Another very pertinant fact that plays into the early survival of the Pilgrims was the fact that the planet was in the middle of the Littlr Ice Age at the tim..
Crops were lean then, it snowed in New England in July occasionally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8UhsXhEl4o
In the modern Lefty "village" a war would break out. Some idiots would want to worship the cows, some would complain about the methane and the effects on "climate change", others would eat them and ask for more without wondering where they came from, while still others would seek to "liberate" them.
Other possible scenario: Cows match wits with Lefties, find they are no match. Cows take over the village!
Conflict of un-reason…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8UhsXhEl4o
This is exactly why we are tripling our garden this year…until the government outlaws that too.
Bingo! We have a winner!
"Americans of 1776 enjoyed a higher standard of living than ANY people in the world. Their material wealth
was considerably less than it would become in time, still it was a great deal more than others had elsewhere."
I love that paragraph, I read it over & over. It makes me think of how little Americans actually had in compari-
son to our lives today, yet they were even then, immeasurably ahead of the rest of the world.
What happened to Africa, Afghanistan, even China? Why were we blessed far & above the rest of the world?
Was it Christianity? If you believe it was, we got some prayin' to do.
Was it luck of circumstance or location? Why didn't the Pilgrims join the Native tribes, strip off their clothing
to run wild in the forest ?
Now think about all our accomplishments, over these 380 or so years, & tell me what the HELL we're doing
sitting in our cozy homes, waiting each day to see on the news what these heathens have in store for us?
Tell me, WHY we are not in DC beating down the doors of our So called Congressmen, yesterday, today &
tomorrow?
I HATE what we have become !
As a progressive commie It wouldn't know what a work ethic was it it hit it in the head. This is why leftist love the philosophy of "It takes a village" which of course means some people don't want to work and they want "the village" to take care of them for free. Funny how some things never change.
Well said!
Like the other poster said, I would have mentioned this if you hadn't.
My real education came through homeschooling.
Even with a state trooper stopping traffic.
The Pilgrims were almost decimated by disease and famine before they took a different tack; nascent capitalism. And so was born the greatest nation the world has ever known, at least until the statists and central-planners have their way.
No, I assume he is a taker who imagines producers are evil people (because he himself is), but also imagines what HE would do if he could magically BE a producer, as opposed to DOING what producers do — Produce. Didja follow that?
Did you also miss the part about "families" were all given plots? that's the problem with , you liberals you always miss some important fact or deliberately leave one out, thereby slowing everthing down and fucking everthing up for the normal people.
The corrupt people in power know that if they are to remain in power, them must have a crippled group to lead and be their leader. Keep them crippled and dependent and you will remain in power. You will be their protector. This is an example of Pelosi and those like her. Jesse Jackson, Al Shapton, and others do the same. They do not want freedom but slaves, for only with slaves do they have authority, power, control, and wealth. They are our "modern day slave owners" and we have become the slaves!
These senators and representatives remind me of a christian cult I happened to join unknowingly when I was going through a crisis in my life. The leaders called themselves "Elders" and had total control over their flock. No decisions could be made without consulting with the Elders,not even changing jobs or moving your home! Obviously, when I found out the extent of the control, I was out of there, but the point is that these people were kept in bondage so they could be controlled. They were kept dependent upon the leader for decisions and their lives.
I see such a parallel with our national leaders today. Such evil and wickedness knows no bounds.
We must find the discernment and courage to throw these people our of congress! May God help us to see clearly and to do what must be done before it is too late.
Well said!
Can you imagine the Pilgrims putting signs up in hopes of a passing ship saying,
'Help !
Where are you, King George?'
yes tatertot……….." you realize you can make a difference", & you know how many of these slickers
ain't gonna make it, cause they have no earthly idea how hard, hard work IS.
Rush reads the story of Bradford's diary on the day before Thanksgiving for many years now. Commune type living fails. Free enterprise and property rights prevail. (research Mexio for example).
Many Progressives don't understand that the original Americans were largely willing to take care of family and friends that became disabled, but were totally unwilling to take care of the kind of people that many modern Progressives are…either self-entitled young adults who are basement-dwelling progeny of well-to-do parents or self-entitled people who have not worked in a for-profit business for more than a few years, if ever!
Ironically enough, I got it from an article in a 1970s set of SRA reading skills booklets that they used to help kids at my last job. Guess which story I chose for them to read much of the time?
You go first buddy…that carcass has enough botulim in it to wipe out the colony and half of the British empire!
Don't you just wanna die when these uneducated buffoons try to educate the other 299,999,700 Americans of our history? 300 dimwits make up a majority.
They tried a communal system and when it failed they abandoned it. It seems as though they were interested in finding a way to survive and subseuently thrive and the communal thing was not getting it done for them.
How old are you? Surely you didn't miss this basic lesson in school.
All is cozy if humans were like eggs under a hen (Female chicken), nurturing them until they hatch!!!! When those chicks hatch with their scientifically proven less than pea sized brain, it is instinctive in them to start foraging to survive!! Only humans are born with the capability to ponder the question (Much larger brain).."To forage or not to forage, that is the question"! If they answer yes… they will be self sufficient, care for the body they dwell within! If they answer no…someone who is "self sufficient" will help them out or enable them to be as worthless/rich as they desire to be !! That is what separates us from chickens, if a chicken don't know how to peck for food., the others will let it die (Except for the newborns, they will feed them)! Humans.. humans will feed humans.. regardless…that is why there are so many human leeches/parasites, depending on the foragers to feed them!!!!! If they can rise to the pedestal of the governors of the foragers, it is the ultimate Temple!! From there all things that humans produce can be controlled and regulated, the storage bins of the foragers/producers can be robbed! Anything that is left after the feast can be spread as "Chicken scratch" "Here chickie chick, chick" (Old folk call for feeding the chickens), it's one thing when the chickens come running to the call, but when humans join in, there develops a problem……YOU (The caller (Feeder)) HAVE JUST BECOME AN ENABLER, but then again…maybe you did help someone…that is the question, which keeps people answering the knock at the door!! Is it Jesus or is it not…without that question in your mind, they couldn't control you!!! Beware…. the coup is being built to encompase all, choice won't matter anymore!!!!
anon…you are an idiot. Typical!
He couldnt sell a watermellon to a millionaire dying of thirst
Amazing how our country got along all the way up until FDR with all these old and sick people . . . and the population still seemed to keep growing. Hhmmmm, I wonder if family taking care of family, friends taking care of friends, character and honor had anything to do with it. I'm sure it wasn't social welfare and government give aways that took care of our needy the first 150 yrs. It's only been in the last 75 years that things have gotten worse. . . but that's with the government stepping in and taking care of everyone.
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No, many of those on welfare who would like to work their way to self-sufficiency are penalized for trying to do so. This was one of the "lose-lose" aspects of the welfare system the 1994 Contract-Repubs, especially Newt Gingrich, talked about, and was the basis for the Welfare Reform bill they pushed through. And, it worked (until recently, when the Dems managed to push the improvements back). You'll recall the large number of former-welfare recipients who joined the workforce and/or went through job training to do so.
Examples of bad 'social welfare' policies: A daughter and her three small children returned to her parents' home when her husband deserted her and their children. Her parents were supporting them, but were having a tough financial struggle to do so. They applied for food stamps to help ease the full burden, but were told that as long as daughter & kids lived with her parents, they'd get zip, but they could be moved into an apartment and the social services would pay the rent, provide food stamps, and provide a monthly amount of cash.
Yeah, they're getting ready to make fishing illegal — tomatoes and eggplant-planting might be next.
Let me get this straight. The pilgrims were commies?
Not quite, but then you really aren't interested in learning anything, just in being snotty. As usual.
You just failed the history lesson genius
That's what family, friends and church, NOT GOVERNMENT, were for…to help those who had trouble helping themselves. Use to be that when aging parents weren't able to live by themselves anymore they were taken into their adult children's homes and more often than not were still able to contribute to family life. I remember growing up and having both my mother's parents and my father's parents living with us at one time or another. I treasured what I learned from having my grandparents so close by.
That's the problem, anon has been taught "social studies" not history.
This talk of learning how to use the land to one's benefit and of the stupidity of leftists brings o mind the wit of Dorothy Parker:
You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.
The left really are stooooooopid.
Yes it does. There's only so many versions you can run for the human psyche. The ego, the "self" is actually at it's base, is a very simple mechanism.
Hey anon! You keep asking inane questions. First, the Pilgrims were communally oraganised under central control with the community owning all…..yup! that is communism. Second, they, the Pilgrims were families that took care of their kin. Seeings they were a small colony with little choice of mates they were soon all Aunts, Uncles, Cousins……you know extended family. Now fast forward to the great society, war on poverty and meriad other leftist programs that have attacked the family, relegion and all other traditional forms of liiving and you have the mess we are in today. The progressives are just the opposite of what the preach, they are repressive. Americans are a resiliant people, we are tolerant to fault, but when we are pushed too far we come at you with a vengence. In the words of Admiral Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl Harbor……"I'm afraid that all we have accomplished is to awaken a sleeping giant." The left is in a state of denial and disaray, the leaders are charging full speed ahead toward the abyss. BYE!
The short comings of one is as a result of the errant system,….
The short comings of the other is a result of the errant individual…….
"God is Love",….not a ideologue,…. hence he speaks to INDIVIDUALS,…. not to states.
The goodness of God is expressed only by the individual who hears Him……
and this individual goodness can not be replaced by man's words or systems (communism)
I sure pray to God that this dark cloud that is today's Obama / Democrat agenda does not take as long,…
to get rid of as it did in eastern Europe.
The fight that is going on in Texas with respect to these new text books is a good start,……
You folks in Texas, please keep us abreast.
I sure hope for his sake,…. he read your comment,…..it was excellent,………
now if we can only get it to stick,…….
nawwwwwww.
Please explain,……… "precisely why American History was changed to "social studies"
you do mean,… for the worst,… right?????
Read the book and you'll find out. That's what books are for.
Yes, and the blacks still refuse to take responsibility for themselves, they still want to work and be taken care of by the plantation owner (the government) not for themselves.
I fully understand how the welfare system is designed to entrap people. My husband and I had a very tight budget for a few years around college. At one point, we got hit with several large bills in quick succession of months that put us very badly behind. While we were looking for extra work, we also decided to check and see if there might not be some kind of government assistance that would provide just a quick hand up, nothing permanent. We were informed then, that the only way we could get anything was if we took it all, and I would have to be pregnant in order to qualify. So not only would be be taking far more than we actually needed, but we'd have to be irresponsible enough to bring another human being into our bad situation. In short, one of us worked a double job for a short time.
Well thats not true! because if it was, obummer wouldn't be potus. He sold the uneducated mass a bag of rotten goods and they ait it all up without even blinking and acted like they were starving (in the greatest nation in the world, How stupid can Americans be). Now the educated have to clean up the stupid people's mess. That just goes to show that there are alot of uneducated stupid people that didn't do their homework last election day in the United States of America.
Law is always the legislating of SOMEBODY's morality (or immorality). We'd better make a choice soon which we want, and consider the outcome of our choice. If God be God, choose Him! If BAAL be god, choose him.
That's no comfort to those who suffer under oppressive systems of government, is it?
Imagine if the citizens in America circa 1775 had been of the "this too shall pass" mindset about the British tyranny.
We need to fight to win, and fight until we DO win. "Winning" means attainment of: limited government, no debt, low taxes, REAL representation.
Roundup, you do not need anyone telling you how much to give. Give as you purpose in your own heart. We are "not to give of necessity, but of a willing heart". Its not just money, but our kindness, time, energy, and know how. Gov and orgs have taken over charity, and they have taken away the joy of giving. We provide the money and manpower anyway, and we pay for the fraud, too. Charity should be local, hands-on work. Our kids need this, too. They have been taught to entertain themselves, not to give of themselves. They need to be taught the joy of giving. This is the best thing my Dad ever taught me.
Roundup, my dad was a coal miner and a dirt farmer and we lived in a tar-paper shanty, but I did not know we were poor because mom and dad were always doing things for the "less fortunate". There was an old man that we looked after (without him knowing it). When another miner got mashed-up bad we helped care for him and his family. We were always giving away milk, butter, buttermilk and eggs, and I walked about a mile on Saturdays to clean house for a woman dying of cancer (without pay). Now I am older and still love the joy of giving. I (freely) look after someone with epilepsy and another with schizophrenia, both whom the government programs have let down big time – been abused in group homes and mental instutions. They are the joy of my life and now doing better.
Than why this doubt about the power of the individual to do good??????
Your life, as you told it is living proof of this,.. ….Individualism makes all thing possible.
Chicago, law and grace are like the two wings of the same bird. One without the other doesn't work. Heaven (utopia?) is in the heart of every person. Some think its being in power, with everything their heart desires, and slaves to do the work. Some think its freedom of individuals to express themselves unhindered by any form of repression or control from without. Thus, communism = a hellish prison. Individualism = hell unleashed. The only government that will ever work is that which is taught within the pages of the Bible, individual freedom WITHIN the protection and restraint of God's law, as we live under His domain (in His Kingdom) and His will is done on earth as it is in heaven – when law restrains evil and grace unleashes good. He made it all. He knows how it works.
Folkls of that time were much hardier than the idiots you represent. You know, fat, lazy couch spuds that have poor diets and disdain any type of activity including rolling off the couch to get some more premium ice cream to gorge upon.
Most of the immigrants worked hard until the time came to kick the bucket and lived with tight knit family groups whom supported one another.
They didn't have retirement centers or controlling governments to feed them crackers and abuse them till death. Get a clue….
“The Hessian and British troops alike were astonished to find Americans blessed with such abundance – substantial farmhouses and furnishings…."
What was their debt load from taxes, mortgage, and rent? They were free to reinvest their income.
Taxes and rents. Most of the land was actually owned by nobility, and the tenants had to pay the land owner.
Congratulations on your escape. A person does not have to be a weakling to get trapped by that sort of cult.
actually, they were more socialist than communist, but that's not the point. point is, communal farming led to starvation. individual farming led to bounty. in terms you MAY be able to grasp; COMMUNAL BAD! INDIVIDUAL GOOD!!
Obviously anon went to public school (indoctrination) so was never taught American History.
Fermez la bouche! The progressive apparatchiks will be after you again or is that still?
Of course it is true, the difference between a millionaire (educated) and the progressive (indoctrinated) masses.
There is no way that any cooking method could drain that swamp creature.
Is that a "formal" or former liberal?
You forgot the fava beans!
COMMUNISM AND INDIVIDUALISM – BOTH WRONG! Bible Christianity teaches a combination of individual responsibulity and community responsibility. "If a man does not work, neither should he eat", yet it also teaches, "let him work with his own hands the thing which is good that he may have to give to him who is in need". We are to care for the sick, the elderly, the physically and mentally infirm. Communism does not work, but individualism does not work either. Individualism leads to anarchy, where we have "every man doing that which is right in his own eyes", the strong trample the weak and push immorality on others. People who truly do need our help are many times not helped in either of these systems. Love is the oil in the machinery of life, and the world is a cold hard place without Him. God is Love.. Jesus even treated the insane the same as anyone else – He took care of the problem. We certainly do need to be able to live free and prosper individually, but never forget we are "our brother's keeper". Ayn Rand was wrong. Jesus is right. "Equal under the Law".
Actually it depends on how you look at history. Currently we have a tendency to look at history as linear on a timeline while ancients looked at history as cyclical on a timeline. When a timeline ended, it was also a beginning again. So for the ancients, it was possible to repeat history or change it.
Not to mention those on endless unemployment. Instead of finding work to support their families, many insist on only working if it meets their standards and desires.
Raised my children on that basic concept. All your actions (choices) have consequences (positive and negative). Once the consequences are removed from the equation then there is no incentive to make the correct actions.
"Anon is most likely unfamiliar with the psychological phenomenon of projection. "
Projection is a symptom of those who suffer from CRIS (Cranial-Rectal Inversion Syndrome)
Bet they were wishing for a little "Global Warming" about then.
That too. :^)
RIght you are . . . but the question is do I give my neighbor a nickle or do I give them a dollar? And who is to decide how much is enough? Is it right that only some can give while others do not? Thus we have the government intervention saying "everyone" – especially the rich -needs to contribute more. And since I do not have a say-so in how that money is spent, is that morally right or wrong? Do I need someone to tell me how much of my money needs to be given to the needy? Just where do we draw the line. There is no question that some people do need help. The question revolves around should we let the government be our nanny and tell us what to do and how much to give.
Hoping that I don't skew the path of history (?) too much, here's the original text:
All this while no supply was heard of, neither knew they when they might expect any. So they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop than they had done, that they might not still thus languish in misery. At length, after much debate of things, the Governor (with the advice of the chiefest amongst them) gave way that they should set corn every man for his own particular, and in that regard trust to themselves; in all other thing to go on in the general way as before. And so assigned to every family a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number, for that end, only for present use (but made no division for inheritance) and ranged all boys and youth under some family. This had very good success, for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field, and took their little ones with them to set corn; which before would allege weakness and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.
The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato's and other ancients applauded by some of later times; and that the taking away of property and bringing in community into a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For the young men, that were most able and fit for labor and service, did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense. The strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals and clothes than he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labors and victuals, clothes etc., with the meaner and younger sort, thought it some indignity and disrespect unto them. And for men's wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, etc., they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could many husbands well brook it. Upon the point all being to have alike, and all to do alike, they thought themselves in the like condition, and one as good as another; and so, if it did not cut off those relations that God hath set amongst men, yet it did at least much diminish and take off the mutual respects that should be preserved amongst them. And would have been worse if they had been men of another condition. Let none object this is men's corruption, and nothing to the course itself. I answer, seeing all men have this corruption in them, God in His wisdom saw another course fitter for them.
That's the latter. Yes, I'm spellcheck dependent.
They can't do this,……they are not shovel ready.
Owen Glendower, thank you for this bit of history. It mentions Plato. Communism actually descends from Plato's teaching. In the past it has been called Helenism, Humanism and other names. Even Islam is built upon Neo-Platoism. The Muslims brought the teachings of Aristotle (Plato's pupil) into Christian Europe which brought in the Renaissance (re-birth of classicism), which led to the Reformation and the fragmentation of the Church. These teachers infiltrated the Chruch, caused division, then worked on both sides to pitt Catholics and Protestants against each other. Most Protestants (BTW, I am Protestant) chafe at this, but its true. Anyone can study it out if they really want the truth. The truth will make us free. Paganism is a killer.
This was an interesting, however fanciful read. It may well be that the writer has failed to recognize that the individual farms have been taken over by the communally much larger corporations who deal and direct, through their lobbyists the fate of our great country. In order for the people to regain control of our country and begin the process of rebuilding it, first the corporations must be dismantled and Wall Street shut down so the people who are producing the goods and services are those who reap the rewards instead of the speculating, money changing paper pushers who produce nothing except more greed and distance between the haves and the have nots.
Keep reading history, but don't fail to use some common sense when interpreting it.
i think she need to be STIFFED OH NO STUFFED she looks likev she has nothing else to suck, if BARRY dosen t get his way [ just like a little girl. ] she doesnt have anything to suck on[ it looks like shes not getting it from home? she is frustraded [ little bitch] if she and biden and the rest of his thugs following him .. if he stopped short all there noses would be straight up, his ass, the would all have to go to the hosp'''' but it will take weeks or maybev months to get there noses out of obamas ass, with the obama care , they could be stuck there ever palosie would love that hAHHA
[...] when each family was responsible for their own garden. At Big Government, Kerry Byrne, in Pilgrims and Minutemen: Lessons for the Left from 1623 and 1776, reiterates this early history and also has several quotes from David McCullough’s book, [...]
[...] when each family was responsible for their own garden. At Big Government, Kerry Byrne, in Pilgrims and Minutemen: Lessons for the Left from 1623 and 1776, reiterates this early history and also has several quotes from David McCullough’s book, [...]
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