Judges, Guns and Money: Part III
by Josie WalesHow was I to know [he] was with the Russians, too?
Justice Stevens’ opinion leaves him on the wrong side of history regarding the importance of the 2nd Amendment.

Part III deals with Justice Stevens’ dissenting opinion in McDonald v. Chicago, Justice Scalia’s responsive concurrence, and a general summary of the issues. Part I dealt with the plurality decision written by Justice Alito, the dissenting opinion of Justice Breyer, and is relevant to a discussion on the doctrine of incorporation. Part II dealt with Justice Thomas’ brilliant concurrence, rejecting the doctrine of incorporation for the “privileges and immunities” clause of the 14th Amendment.
You may recall that we addressed the legacy of Justice Stevens’ in a previous article:
Justice Stevens, a member of the Court since 1975, displayed distrust for freedom and voted on the wrong side of many significant constitutional issues. He willingly eroded individual rights in favor of intrusive government policy. Stevens’ uneasiness with freedom and individual rights led him to substitute textually sound, constitutional arguments with “intangibles” and fearful hypotheticals involving individuals abusing their rights at the expense of others.
Sure enough, he is up to the same shenanigans in what will be one of his last opinions. To our benefit, Justice Scalia makes sure that Stevens leaves SCOTUS with a swift kick in the pants.
I would like to say I read through Stevens’ opinion as thoroughly as those written by Thomas, Alito, or even Breyer, but I would be lying. Alito had a set of facts, applied the facts to the present understanding of the doctrine of incorporation, and produced a result. Thomas went down the road less traveled and developed a whole new paradigm in constitutional jurisprudence. Breyer’s dissent was amusing in its poorly veiled attempts to promote progressive policies. Stevens is tedious, boring and, quite frankly, dead wrong in his approach to the Constitution. Thank goodness for Scalia. One can get the gist of Stevens’ ends justify the means in bizarro world analysis through Scalia’s amusing narrative.
Scalia starts with an examination of Stevens’ new approach to incorporation jurisprudence:
The subjective nature of Justice Stevens ’ standard is also apparent from his claim that it is the courts’ prerogative—indeed their duty —to update the Due Process Clause so that it encompasses new freedoms the Framers were too narrow-minded to imagine.
If anyone doubted that progressives have sought to infiltrate all branches of the government, here is sure-fire truth. Apparently, judges have a duty to re-write the Constitution. The most fundamentally flawed aspect of this approach to a “living” Constitution (what progressives call “constitutional fidelity“) is that judicial precedent plays a more important role than the actual Constitution, with the exception that conservative judicial precedent is excluded from the conversation. This is nothing more than an attempt to hijack the court for the purposes of progressive policy.
To begin his “objective” approach to incorporation, Stevens renames the “due process clause” the “liberty clause,” and then proceeds to deny the liberty for self-defense with a straight face. He eschews the current standard for incorporation because he deems it subjective. In turn, he argues the lack of a standard will somehow encourage objectivity. As Scalia points out:
The notion that the absence of a coherent theory of the Due Process Clause will somehow curtail judicial caprice is at war with reason. Indeterminacy means opportunity for courts to impose whatever rule they like; it is the problem, not the solution. The idea that interpretive pluralism would reduce courts’ ability to impose their will on the ignorant masses is not merely naïve, but absurd. If there are no right answers, there are no wrong answers either.
In reality, Stevens’ seeks to justify upholding bad precedent through phony standards. As I pointed out in Part II, Stevens would uphold Cruikshank, a decision in which blacks were denied federal protection of their 2nd Amendment privilege at the cost of harassment from white supremacist groups run by members of the Democratic Party (though they only joined because they needed to get elected). This is the judicial precedent that Stevens deems objectively stronger than the Constitution.
Stevens continues with a discussion of “fundamental” rights. He reiterates progressive boiler-plate rhetoric in suggesting that guns only serve to deny liberty and that they are not “critical to leading a life of autonomy, dignity, or political equality.” This is followed by an examination of how other countries view the “right of the people to keep and bear arms,” to which Scalia writes (with extreme sarcasm):
No determination of what rights the Constitution of the United States covers would be complete, of course, without a survey of what other countries do.
The fallacy in this approach lies with the fact that there are many rights which Stevens’ deems “fundamental,” but which other “civilized” nations do not recognize. Scalia goes on to write:
A judge applying Justice Stevens’ approach must either throw all of those rights overboard or, as cases Justice Stevens approves have done in considering unenumerated rights, simply ignore foreign law when it undermines the desired conclusion.
Examining the rights of what one justice subjectively considers “civilized” is nothing more than an “ends justifies the means” approach. This exemplifies the flaw in Stevens’ approach to the Constitution, and the danger in allowing progressive judges to infiltrate our legal system. One could waste their time by reading the entirety of Stevens’ opinion, but it is nothing more than an attempt to establish the pre-eminence of judges within our Republic. As Scalia concludes:
Justice Stevens abhors a system in which “majorities or powerful interest groups always get their way,” but replaces it with a system in which unelected and life-tenured judges always get their way. That such usurpation is effected unabashedly—with “the judge’s cards … laid on the table,” —makes it even worse. In a vibrant democracy, usurpation should have to be accomplished in the dark. It is Justice Stevens’ approach, not the Court’s, that puts democracy in peril.
While the length of Stevens opinion would seem to require more analysis, Scalia’s brief opinion hits all of the relevant points. One need only read Scalia’s concise concurring opinion to understand the long-winded Stevens. And while the two opinions deal more with the deep-rooted philosophies of progressive jurisprudence, they are relevant to the analysis (and protection) of our unalienable rights.
In my own conclusion, Justice Clarence Thomas provides the most pertinent analysis of the 2nd Amendment in its relation to the 14th Amendment. His opinion, uncontradicted by any member of SCOTUS, will serve as important precedent in future decisions pertaining to rights protected from government interference under the Constitution. Justice Samuel Alito reaches the proper result in his plurality opinion, though his use of the doctrine of incorporation amounts to nothing more than perpetuating a dangerous “legal fiction”, in the words of Justice Thomas. Justice Antonin Scalia writes an entertaining critique of the erroneous (yet dangerous) opinion from an elitist, progressive (and soon former) member of the court.
As Thomas Jefferson stated, “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” We, the vocal majority, have raised our collective voices against tyranny, despite progressive attempts to silence us, and now SCOTUS has recognized our “natural” right to defend that voice with the barrel of a gun.






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Unfortunately the bulk of liberal / progressives think "gun control" is just hunky dory and are too near sighted to visualize and understand that unarmed societies are by their very nature oppressed societies.
In the countries where "gun control" is the norm, people sheepishly accept only limited liberties from the men that rule them and fail to see that true liberty comes from "God and nature".
Recent polling shows that a significant number of Americans 48% see this administration and congress as a threat to their personal liberties and their security…
The last time we saw this kind of opinion as a nation we were on the brink of civil war.
We have reached the tipping point in this country and if government is not reigned in and chained to the constitution once again we will revisit our history.
"When the people fear government there is tyranny, when government fears the people there is liberty" ~Thomas Jefferson
As a owner of pistols, I am curious as to how the government would ever try to apply a restriction on the ownership of fire arms.
I don't know the statistics off hand on the number of fire arms legally owned by the american public, but I find it fascinating that there is actually a thought process that would enable those against the second ammendment to try to confiscate weapons.
On paper it's probably an interesting read, in practice a dangerous and futile gesture.
I heard on Fox that Steven seriously said, that he did not feel there was any clear connection between Gun control and the removal of personal freedoms…What a joke. If you ask me, the founders did not give us the 2nd amendment out of fear of foreign invasion. I'm sure that was there, but at most it was a secondary goal. I think they put it there so people could fight against the US government if it became like the tyranny they had fought to free us from.
Justice Stevens is misguided in his beliefs. They do not work and it is most unfortunate that he is been guided by his own personal beliefs and motives instead of the law. Our founding fathers built a country like no other country in the history of world. It was built to help man improve; not impede. A country so rich in believing in individual rights and the courage to make one's life better should always be. The right to be able to do so should never die.
We The People have been silenced by ignorance, some no longer but many are still lost in the lies, distortion and sound bites of the progressives. How do we debate when the debate begins on no factual grounds? Every argument has no bases when the constitution is removed or seen as being fluid.
The only party that is in agreement with the constitution is the Libertarian party.
If you take our guns away from us, do you really NOT think that one day the government will come after YOU …to take away something YOU hold dear???
Off topic:
On Fox and Friends this morning Gigi Gaston (We Will Not Be Silenced) detailed more than 2000 complaints with the barry campaign intimidating voters. Voters supposedly deprived voting for chillary choice because they had chillary buttons….hmmm…this is interesting…. I'm not holding my breath for holder's immediate investigation…
Andrew any chance of looking into this one further??? This needs more attention!!
Here's the first part of the documentary film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZFgMNM-UU&fe....
I saw it!
Absolutely chilling!
Thomas' concurrence, and the fact that it went unopposed by the rest of the majority and the dissents, will indeed prove useful in future court litigation. It will undoubtedly present a situation where lower courts decide differently in very similar cases and, hence, the Privileges or Immunities issue will be right back in front of the Supreme Court.
As I have said over and over, rights and privileges are the same thing – even though so many Americans simply don't understand such a basic reality.
Alito's opinion was structured very carefully in order to avoid "upsetting" SlaughterHouse precedent, yet Thomas' concurrence- and lack of opposition to it- does exactly that!
America missed a great opportunity to regain and strengthen Liberty in the McDonald decision. However, Thomas opened a door with his piece. He exposed that every Citizen in Illinois is being denied Daley (intentional misspelling there) their inalienable right to carry a firearm (we have no legal way to do so here whatsoever).
The shame here is that the black community, so supposedly focused on civil rights, missed the boat here. They did so because their minds are so closed in accepting of the (D) party line- hook line and sinker without serious question- that they do not realize it is their own political support for progressives that continues to deny them, and non-blacks alike, their due Civil Liberties.
The so called "black community" must wake up and the Thomas piece is a great alarm clock. Non-black Americans must hear that sound of as well.
The Liberty movement is on the march and this P or I decision by Thomas is a giant leap forward – even though so few understand why. This Thomas piece will be a jumping off point for the coming "commerce clause" challenges that will come from one of two directions (or both). Via the Second Amendment / Tenth Amendment challenges regarding federal gun laws and states passing laws dismissing them as without merit or Obamacare itself.
SlaughterHouse needs to be "upset" because it is unjust. The Selective Incorporation Doctrine needs to be "upset" because it is unjust and commerce clause precedent must be "upset" as well because, like the other examples, it is unjust. I am not a state, nor am I a subject for that matter, I am a Citizen. A Citizen with inalienable rights, rights I hold ownership over which are outside the reach of government "regulation".
The Heller decision was huge, but McDonald, not so much by itself besides states being held to Heller. The true gauge of the scope that McDonald will bring has yet to be determined. Maybe it is proper for this monumental change to take place incrementally, but to me, SCOTUS blew it by not just ending the longstanding injustice that is this "Selective Incorporation Doctrine" and the mind-numbing adherence to precedent -even when it is clearly mistaken to any thinking person valuing the Constitution and its tenets.
The choice before America today is this; Either the Constitution matters, or it doesn't. Seems to me that the McDonald decision takes the Obama approach – the voting "present" approach. The McDonald approach is to answer that question with a big fat "kinda". No SCOTUS, that wasn't an option.
If you value Liberty itself, then you must read and consider deeply what Thomas had to say in McDonald. The key to stopping this unjust government rests in fully restoring the teeth provided by the Privileges or Immunities clause so that it may obliterate the unjust commerce clause case law precedent. I suppose that means I must revisit the question facing Americans. A rephrase may well be in order.
Either the Constitution matters, or case law precedent matters. I choose the Constitution. How about you?
Guns protect our rights because they are one small block keeping any man from arbitrarily deciding to take what you have. The Founders understood this because their own guns were so integral to their ability to throw off the chains of capricious and confiscatory government. I can respect the idea that we ought to have sensible restrictions on ownership – no mentally ill or criminals should have an easy road to ownership – but the idea that no one needs a gun is flat out false. I would invite the trolls who were so deathly afraid that Bush would somehow seize power how they intended to resist that without any means of arming themselves?
Like private property rights, the right to travel, the right to peaceably assemble, speak freely or even worship as one sees fit?
Many accept as proper the requirement for rally permits and gun permits. I wonder if they would accept being required to purchase a license to pray?
Americans need to WAKE UP!
See Chicago.
Permits are needed, otherwise how can they find our guns to take them?
Exactly.
Cold dead hands, BABY!!
I would say that the constitution is a living document, but by it's own devices: through the amendment process. It is not the courts' role to determine which rights we do or do not have in addition to the constitutional rights, it is their duty to compare challenged laws to the constitution and determine if they are congruent or not. Obviously if something is in the constitution, it stands on it's own merit as a part of the highest law in the land. Hopefully the 4 conservative judges stay through the last 2 years of Obamanation we have left before we can get a conservative president to replace any outgoing justices with constitutional purists.
The graphic at the top of the thread tells the story about gun control. The eight thugs in the photo (bear in mind Saddam Hussein and the Ayatollah Khomeni are missing) account for well over 150 MILLION deaths. That is a helluva lot of dead corpses rotting in the gutter.
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The reason there are not more blacks in the Tea Party's is because they are so liberal when it comes to human rights. The large majority of the black community's are run by socialist community organizations, black theology and social justice churches and the deep pocketed political donors to racially gerrymandered house districts. I don't know how we can reach them without redistricting, and that isn't going to happen.
Guess if you want to look at foreign treatment of "gun control" you should look to Switzerland, Israel or New Zeland. There citizens do learn how to control their guns. I realize that I am preaching to the choir, but here is a salient article by Tom Sowell about the "gun control debate":
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/index.php?news=...
They are doing their damndest every day to do it now knowing most of us are armed. Can you imagine how quickly and completely they would do it if we weren't?
I'm sure those deaths can be attributed to Bush.
One would think that Stevens has never heard of the Battle of Athens, Tennessee, in 1946, when WWII veterans and others took up arms to combat a corrupt political machine – one very similar to today's Chicago…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(19...
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm
http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine...
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They can't …if you buy them under the table…
Friggin' commies try to take my firearms from me, they'll learn exactly what "gun control" means.
That is horrific!! AMERICA…WHEN will enough be enough!??? Hillary would have been just as much of a nightmare as Obama, but, fraud is fraud!!
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Saw it! This is one more indication that after Nov. the Oblabla admin is going to fall apart. It should be interesting (Disgusting) to see who runs when the lights are turned on. The moderate left (I think there actually is one) is turning on the Chicago mob. Stay tuned for CHAOS in DC!
The Lame Duck session is going to be a cliff hanger that the Rep.s had better hold the line. Don't let anything through or your next!
I can't wait to see what toady-Mayor, the wise ignorant latino and the anti-American Kagan would write. I bet that is amusing.
Yes you are right, as Mark Levin says, legislating from the bench is what progressives have always been about.
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Missy8s, your commentary continues to inspire me. Thank you!
Thank You!
That you appreciate it, inspires me to do more!
Let's not forget to throw in the Queen of England, they have a comprehensive gun ban there, and their murder rate has gone up!
Humorous cartoon titled "Clinging" with Sarah, Obama, guns, bibles, birth certificates, medical records, and a few other items at http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/clin...
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"Recent polling shows that a significant number of Americans 48% see this administration and congress as a threat to their personal liberties and their security… "
Were the other 52% too afraid to answer?
Great article, I like Thomas Sowell a lot. It's amazing how he is one of those very well educated and common sense espousing black men that the left despises because he is like Kryptonite to their cause. There are many more out there and hopefully men like Allen West, Herman Cain, David Webb and Thomas Sowell will help bring them to the light.
God only knows but if that is just the opinion of say 1000 or so, its pretty chilling…
They'll do it slowly, just like the UK govenment did.
First it'll just be registration of individual guns to 'protect' gun owners in case their guns are stolen. That way the government knows who has what.
The there will be permits, probably at first the police will have to show why someone shouldn't have a gun.
Later the permit procedure will be 'revised and improved' requiring someone to show why they should have a gun. Probably following shooting incidents that either would have been prevented if the existing laws had been implemented (someone who isn't legally alowed a gun but got a permit anyway), or would have happened regardless (an unlicenced gun).
Next the list of acceptable reasons will be trimmed down until eventually so few people meet the criteria that a ban will 'only affect a handful of people'.
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Continued from previous post due to length.
In the UK in 1997 that handful was still over 50,000, all blamed for a crime that they did not commit, and the police did nothing to prevent in spite of having 20 years of our draconian laws telling them Thomas Hamiltopn wasn't legally enitled to his guns.
Then when armed crime continues to rise the politicians who pushed for the ban will deny ever having made any claims about crime.
Of course they need to get rid of that pesky 2nd ammenedment first, and probably a few others soon after that.
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/new...
uh oh.
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This amendment has been subjected to the strictest form of scrutiny for years and has prevailed as meaning just what it says. What also hasn't changed is the progressive brazen attempt to alter the meaning through the process of subjective reasoning by deconstructist justices. We must be ever vigilant.
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I for one,……am putting my anger into action,……
I will be a Republican precinct judge smack dab in the middle of the 11th Ward (Daley's home ward) and,.
so will my two daughters, son and my brother.
I do not expect everyone to get as involved but heaven help all you s.o.b.
conservatives, who stayed home in 06 and 08, and do not vote this November.
YOU WERE THE PROBLEM,……..
now you have the opportunity to be the solution.
Believe me, they will get them. If they have to run a tank through my front door and torch my house and burn me and my family to a cinder they will get my guns. Then there will be a congressional commission appointed to review the tactics of the Offiice of Tabacco and Firearms. The final report will be a white wash, and the MSM will portray me as a perverted right wing gun freak that abused my children and I had it coming. The OTF merely put my children and wife out of their misery.
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Gun Control,……
is an individual responsibility.
"Every argument has no bases when the constitution is removed or seen as being fluid. "
Not true. The constitution was a great document and the base of the country, but it was not based on nothing. Our rights are not given us by the bill of rights or the government, but are rather inherent in our human nature, requirements for our existence as free individuals. Even if the Constitution and the Bill of Rights disappeared tomorrow, we would still have as valid a case for a government of separated powers whose sole purpose was to protect our inalienable rights.
The base to argue upon is that reality is real and men need reason to understand it, that reason cannot be used unless man is free to use it, that men must therefore be left free if they are to live, and that the best way to guarantee this is to set up a limited government amongst men, whose sole duty is to protect their individual liberty. And yes, the only party which believes that is the Libertarian party. But the only philosophy which sticks up for that is Objectivism, and if you haven't read Atlas Shrugged yet, I'd recommend it to you.
Warm, live hands. You can't do anything if you're dead.
Great poster. I would like to know where it comes from. I think it should be spread around. Anybody know the source?
The second amendment is what protects the first amendment. TAKE THE SECOND AWAY AND YOU WILL SEE THE FIRST DISAPPEAR SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
All very true, but hopefully we don't need to go back and base our arguments before the constitution stated them…we are already running short of time, not just in a political time frame, the older generation is aging and the younger has been indoctrinated.
Politically speaking we don't have time for this debate, this is stuff that needs to be taught in schools. What we need is a more politically expedient message, alternative energy based in the framework of capitalism, jobs, national security. A counter to cap and trade "green jobs". We need wide support and teaching history has gained us a base but it isn't fast enough to gain us an election that will over throw the progressives.
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This is human nature. Judges look at what other judges have written with more respect than the founders. It is like rabbis looking at the accumulation of law more than the original Torah. The founders had different goals than a judge. Both would be pleased to be free of the original document as it limits their personal power.
I doubt if any of the justices have sat inside their homes trying to call the police while somebody kicks down their door. They have hired thugs handy 24/7 to protect them. Now instead – try disarming their personal thugs and see how they react.
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If you want to know a bit more about Kagan's communist ties please read New Zeal's latest on her.
She is in deep, deep like obama. http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2010/07/obama-file-10...
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Watch this a look at Chuckie Shoe NY D, squirm in his chair.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-40697615...
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I lived in Cook County for a while, i've lived in illinois even longer than that. I had an F.O.I.D. card for Illinois and knew too many people with hand guns in Cook County. Laws are only as good as when people follow them. Interesting replies but I feel that it'd be a foolish task to confiscate any handguns/rifles from the american population.
I currently live in Utah where it's actually easier to by a firearm than a 20 year old bottle of Glenmorangie. (trust me, I've done both). Some states may be easier than others to remove weapons, but places like Utah, Montana, Wyoming. . . I pity da' fool who tires.
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Technically the government has been doing it at least since the early 20th century under the National Firearms Act (1934) and US vs. Miller. Later, in 1968 we were given the Gun Control Act, the Firearms Owners Protection Act (1986), Clinton's famous Assault Weapon Ban in 1994. Add in the restrictive laws that places such as DC, Chicago, NYC, etc. conjured up and it's clear to see that we're more or less on track to follow suit with other progressive nations via UK / Australian methods.
What irks me the most is that groups like NRA proclaim to be pro-gun but helped sculpt the FOPA and AWB in the 80's and 90's. I recall vividly in the 90's when they were backing rights to "reasonable" handgun and shotgun ownership but couldn't see, as they said, the "sporting" reason for semi-automatic assault clone weapons and threw them under the bus. If progressives are successful in dividing up the gun owners ala-smoker style (where cigarette, pipe, chew, and cigar users didn't unite) the federal government will be able to impose more reaching restrictions.
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Just a random thought….
What would McCain have passed had he been elected President? I'm not arguing with you about low voter turnout but to insinuate that had more Republicans and Independents voted for Republican candidates in 2008 we wouldn't be in this mess is a little naive at best.
I know that McCain wouldn't play games with our military and current wars, wouldn't jet set across the globe on an apology tour, wouldn't have bowed to foreign leaders, or increased racial tensions to the level that they currently are now; however, he lacks severely on economics and border control. Don't forget he also was for health care reform (and if I recall started adapting some of the dems "pay for all"), global warming and other progressive mind thoughts. We'd still be screwed as a nation financially, progressives would still be running around governments masked (thanks to the democrats smug attitude more are willing to show their true selves in the light of day) working diligently at transforming our nation.
The answer to reaching out to more minorities lies in the methods of their progressive leaders. Those minorities who are Tea Party Members must unite and work to spreading the word within their communities. Generally speaking, humans will always gather in groups at the lowest common thread (ethnicity in this case) and will be more receptive to those they feel comfortable around.
Why have a Constitution if its words are open to redefination and mean nothing?
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"…we are already running short of time"
To borrow a saying from you shooters out there: "You can't miss fast enough to make a difference."
Without an underlying moral and philosophical base, we can't have a true revolution. Without a rational explanation of why freedom is good and moral, we will fall. The reason we've fallen so far already is because nobody ever dared defend freedom and capitalism on moral grounds – the republicans either defended capitalism in the name of God or in the name of "the greatest happiness for the greatest number," i.e. the same moral justification the Democrats used. But you can't justify an economic or political system which is based on the pursuit of ones personal, selfish individual happiness on a moral system which does not acknowledge one's own selfish, personal happiness as a moral goal. Until we convince people that reason is moral, freedom is moral, capitalism is moral, those who wish to be moral (anyone who is not psychotic) will keep being driven to Leftist ideas by moral default.
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