August 3: The Most Important Day in America
by Josie WalesNo, not because this is the day that the 30th President of the United States, Calvin Coolidge, was sworn into office; although the words of “Silent Cal” lend credence to the modern movement in opposition to progressive-statism. Take a gander:
Civilization and profit go hand in hand.
Don’t expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.
There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no one independence quite so important, as living within your means.
Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery.
Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business.
To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race.
President Coolidge may be the most under-rated president in American history, but his words do little to roll back the progressive machine now. The beginning of that roll-back does not occur on November 2, but much earlier. On August 3, 2010, Missouri voters will be tasked with the responsibility of taking the first stand against Obamacare, the progressive panacea, by voting for the Missouri Health Care Freedom Act (MHCFA) in a public referendum.
An Issue Worthy of National Attention
MHCFA comes from a state that has elected the president in every election since 1904, excepting Eisenhower’s second term and the 2008 election of Obama. Bellwhether or weathervane, the “fly-over” state that mirrors national demographics represents the first chance for American voters to display their disapproval with Obamacare. Other states filed lawsuits or passed legislation, but those actions only indirectly represent the American electorate. MHCFA will be voted on by the public at large (and incidentally, allows conservatives to vote “Yes,” for once.)
This public referendum could make or break the ground swell of opposition to the progressive agenda. Failure of MHCFA would provide a field-day for progressive media, and dishearten many voters for the midterms. On the other hand, success of MHCFA by large margins would have the opposite affect.
We can be sure that the dirty politics practiced by progressive organizations will flood the state. ACORN reorganized as MORE in Missouri, OFA will certainly provide leadership, and groups like Project Vote will definitely mess with polling. Political lawsuits have already begun. Attorney “Chip” Gentry filed a lawsuit to block the August 3 vote. Whether he has connections to any of the progressive organizations targeting the Missouri referendum is another question (though I am sure we will learn soon enough).
The bottom line is that MHCFA represents the first battle in the war against Obamacare. Organizations that support future referendums on Obamacare in Arizona, Florida, Oklahoma and other states would do well to support Missouri in its endeavors. Support from freedom loving Americans in the rest of the Union would also be greatly appreciated.
A Challenge to Blunt and Purgason
August 3 represents the primary date for Missouri, as well. A Senate seat is up for grabs, and crucial to regaining control of Congress from the progressives. Two Republican candidates are fighting it out against progressive-trust-fund baby, Robin Carnahan. Both should be championing MHCFA as the most important issue prior to the primary.
If the Republican candidates do not heed my words, they will earn the apathy of Missouri’s electorate to the detriment of our nation.
Roy Blunt has served in the US House of Representatives since 1997. As such, he represents, unfairly or not, the establishment. None of that need matter if he champions the most important referendum in the country. If Blunt campaigns for this issue in Missouri, he could prove to Missouri voters that he would be a worthy representative of their state. He must find some connection to the grassroots conservatives in Missouri should he win the nomination.
Chuck Purgason has served in the Missouri legislature since 1997. While Purgason is a favorite of the grassroots, his electability against Carnahan is an issue. None of that need matter if he champions the most important referendum in the country. If MHCFA passes by a large margin, Purgason would prove the numbers exist to defeat Carnahan. He must prove his grassroots credentials by getting out the vote.
Both candidates benefit from supporting MHCFA because the voters that support the referendum will most likely be voting in the Republican primary. It will be the most important issue to take a stance on prior to the primary, and lip-service will not suffice. Failure of MHCFA to succeed would prove a major stumbling block against the progressive agenda. Blunt must prove he is not owned by the establishment and Purgason must prove he can generate votes. And when all is said and done, Missourians must unite against the aristocratic-pretender Carnahans.
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It's certainly not an overstatement to say August 3rd is a momentous day for our nation. I have confidence that the great state of Missouri will do the right thing and lead the nation to unceremoniously dump the unconstitutional Obamacare. A good omen being the great conservative Calvin Coolidge's birthday.
Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business!!!
What a great quote! If the Gov and the feds were taking care of the national security which is their business instead of education for example – which is state's business – we all would be better off.
Janet Napolitano for example believes she added Smart to Tough on the border security. That is what she said yesterday!
Janet – the face of smart! I linked to the video here http://www.bigbureaucracy.com/?p=1265
I got a chill up my leg reading those quotes. Ahh inspiring.
Obama – the anti-Coolidge.
I'm tired – Is it november yet?
DTOM!
http://RightWingStuff.com
The Show Me State. Show 'em Missouri and stick it to them where the sun don't shine. This is outstanding news.
I'll be voting on Aug. 3, come Hell or high water!
And we have a little bit of both going on here right now.
Purgason was one of the state senators who helped get HCFA on the ballot in Missouri! It cares about our health care freedom. http://www.purgasonforsenate.com
Come on Missouri! Slow Barry the Bolshevik down!
After the defeat of Obama's man in NJ (Corzine) and Obama's woman in Mass (Coakley), this will be the next outright defeat for ObamaNation.
The Missouri referendum reminds me of SB 1070 in Arizona. Will Our Big Ass Mistake America chief POS Eric the Aholder sue Missouri also?
"To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race."
Impressive, and eloquent.
By the Way-I checked Rasmussen on this-He shows polling is 65% in favor of repealing OurBigAssMistake Americas Dr Kevorkian "healthcare".
"Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery."… GREAT QUOTE!!!!!
August 3, 2010–MO votes Obamacare into oblivion, and I celebrate my 25th wedding anniversary. What a great day!
I take that as a rhetorical question.
Like dominoes, they tumble over in slow motion. Nothing beats the look of a defeated commie.
Calvin, A lawyer that respected the rule of law and applied it in his life. Nice artical!
Missouri VOTE and take a conservative voter with you.
Coolidge does rank above George W. Bush in the various rankings of Presidents by historians. So he must have been a great president.
Is that a national poll result or for this particular Missouri referendum?
Now, if only we can get Obumer for campaign for Carnahan this could be sweet!
"Blunt, who has opposed the national health care bill from the start, now supports repealing it, a views shared by 55% of Missouri voters. Thirty-nine percent (39%) oppose repeal. This includes 45% who Strongly Favor repealing the bill and 28% who are Strongly Opposed. Nationally, support for repeal is a bit higher."
Quoted from Rasmussen
As long as there is a solid 5 to 10% variance, I'll be happy. That means all the union and ACORN cr@p won't become a factor, in my opinion.
The political winds are shifting in our direction — and the union bosses know it.
That's why Big Labor's politicians on Capitol Hill are trying to silence you and me before the November elections by ramming through the speech-killing DISCLOSE Act (H.R. 5175, better called the "Incumbent Protection Act") in what promises to be a very close vote in the House of Representatives today.
Great article. Go MO! I was also reading about Oklahoma. They passed a few laws that Piglosi and the ACLU said were unconstitutional and a "big mistake". They passed HB1330 (Ten Commandments on front entrance to the capitol) , HB1804 (arrest all illegals and ship them back), SB1102 (collect DNA from all illegals) and Oklahoma declared it'self a Sovereign State joining Montana, Utah and Texas.
I hope MO follows suit along with Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky,
Arkansas, West Virginia, Mississippi, and Florida.
Obama, Holder, Piglosi and the rest of the "crime inc." can go blow it out their ears.
I like the cut of his jib!
By the time the 0bama Regime is history he will be ranked below Jimmy Carter and Andrew Johnson.
I know this will be hard to take, but I thought the issue of state nullification of federal law was settled, oh about 145 years ago at a place called Appomattox Courthouse. I seem to vaguely recall the Republican party, you know the party of Lincoln, was on the side which won. I also remember that the Republican party was claiming that federal law was supreme and that the states which supported the theory of nullification lost.
Coolage was an American Icon during his own time. The peaple loved and respected him. Small govermant man and a true conservative, almost libertarian. I rank him with Regan. Of course they do not teach that in our re-education camps (state school systems). I voted for Bush wacker twice on his pleage to reform TORT ,amoung other things. Very dissapointed in that aspect of his Presedancy. How things would be different if that had happened.
Mobilize, mobilize and mobilize more!!!
The progressive socialists will be pulling every Obama/Stalinist/Alinsky trick and devious deed written in and out of their Marxist ideological playbook. When they do, keep on the watch and video, every dang thing that happens (just to make sure no one uses a bad word).
If this moratorium passes, watch the media go on a feeding frenzy of how unfair, mis-guided and how the Tea Party and Republicans tarnished the voting process and cheated. I guarantee this will happen. If this fails, the Missourians will need to pack their bags as all hell will break loose in their state with union takeovers, jacked-up taxes, property rates plummeting. Just don’t come to Texas and screw up our state! If it fails, you will have nobody to blame but yourselves.
VOTE NOVEMBER FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND THE REPUBLIC!!! MISSOURI, VOTE YES FOR MHCFA!
You thought wrong… Federal law is ONLY supreme IF IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL. A state challenging a federal law REQUIRES an evaluation of it's constitutionality by the courts. There is no blanket protection of federal law from state challenges.
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishmentPerhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business.s of my administration has been minding my own business"
Now if we can only get more politicians who believe this elected!.
Current poll tracking indicates that Obamas poll numbers are lower than whale shit.
Nothing was settled 145 years ago.
Here another one for ya. Exact opposite of what we have now. I have allways said just because you have a PHD it doesnt mean you have wisdom or common sense. We have a bunch of PHD's running the show that do not know or care why we stayed at the Holiday Inn last night.
From Coolage
"Knowledge comes, but wisdom lingers. It may not be difficult to store up in the mind a vast quantity of face within a comparatively short time, but the ability to form judgments requires the severe discipline of hard work and the tempering heat of experience and maturity."
I am afraid Robert E. Lee would disagree with you.
Just more of the same; moronic rambling….and on it continues. Poof.
That is correct. So if the SCOTUS determines that the law is not constitutional, then the Missouri amendment to its state constitution is not needed. On the other hand, if the SCOTUS upholds the law, it will be a big exercise in futility. I have an idea. Instead of putting hot button issues on the ballot like same sex marriage, the health reform act, etc., why don't the conservatives try to win the election on the basis of ideas and stop blaming ACORN everytime they lose.
Funny how most of the Obamatrons have no concept about checks and balances.
As a historian, I can truly attest how to tell who were the greatest presidents (excluding Washington and Lincoln, who the Progressive/Socialist still cant tarnish) is by looking who the professional historians ignore. Presidents Polk, Coolige, Harding, Cleavland, and Reagan are often ignored or misconstrued by most historians, even though they were among the best. The most progressive (and in many ways the most destructive to American's liberties) presidents, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Johnson, and Wilson for example, are considered great by historians. Sad but true.
I hope they have plenty of polling place watchers in Missouri if ACORN and other
Leftist Commie groups flood the state!!…
Hey husker, are you always in the habit of embarrassing your state by making ludicrous statements? Is it safe to assume then, based your version of government, that anything that can be shoehorned into law, is Constitutional? The Tenth Amendment is alive and well. Try some reading.
Darn, Husk! …I know you’re pissed, you’re so close to your free stuff.
And just what does the above post have to do with checks and balances? Hmmm. This should be interesting.
Let's see. Just what about my statement is ludicrous? Oh, I know. You call it a name because you do not know how to refute it. As far as the 10th Amendment goes, it needs to be read in conjunction with the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper clause. You see, I have full faith that the SCOTUS understands the concept of a free lunch and that when persons do not have health insurance, society and the individuals with insurance are left holding the bag. So much for the concept of individual responsibilty. I seem to remember that in 1993, the Republican party proposed an individual mandate in response to Hillary care.
True Story:
President Coolidge was at a dinner party in the White House. During the festivities a fetching women walked up and dared him to a wager; "Sir, I bet I can make you say more then two words . . ." What was President Coolidge's response? "You lose."
I see you corrected your name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP-IM7maxbI&fe...
Thank You
And keep you and your powder dry
Busted. lol
I don't blame ACORN or any other form of voter fraud perpetrated by the left for EVERY loss, dumbass, just the ones where guilt is obvious. The Washington State governors race in 2004 and the Minnesota senate race in 2008 are examples of the left stealing elections. And without senator Alice Franken we wouldn't be having this discussion, now would we ?
Actually, Carter is ranked ahead of Coolidge:
http://www.c-span.org/PresidentialSurvey/Overall-...
Why sure, I am referring to a checking account. I'm shocked that you missed it. heh
Oh, pardon me. I guess I missed my classes in Constitutional law. I will do my best then to explain. The elastic clause has nothing to do with the 10th amendment. Furthermore the commerce clause if read in spirit and rule forbids the federal government from issuing writs to require any individual to purchase from the government itself or private enterprise, a good or service.
I really get a kick out of how you state, “As far as the 10th Amendment goes, it needs to be read in conjunction with the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper clause.” Yes it becomes nice and convenient to mash up the pieces of any law or literature to make our argument without historical context doesn’t it?
Perhaps we could discuss a more appropriate portion of the Constitution. Article 4, Section 4.
Give him a minute he's probably looking it up in the dictionary.
You left out a clause, the one your inept Bozo uses, called the Communist Manifesto. Just trying to keep it on topic, porkus.
You say….."every time they lose"? Fraud is hardly a win it's illegal.
Oh and by the way…..every time has a space between the 2 words. I'm only pointing out your spelling errors since you seem to like preaching to others on grammar.
Brought the death knell. I hear the sound of flies swarming. Oh, the agony.
That reminds me, Alice's picture on my heavy bag is getting a little tattered. I'll have to get a new one.
Yeah, I can see his sticky little fingers, flying through the pages…
Facts wont scare off Husks, he’ll continue to make a fool of himself.
If you need schooled up this much, it is a pity. The interpretations of the "Commerce Clause" and the "Necessary and Proper Clause" are direct from the COMMUNIST MANIFESTO! Read that document and then read the Constitution. Where in the hell does the Constitution give sole authority and power for the be-all fed in the Constitution? It doesn't.
These SCOTUS’ understanding that you refer to go back to the Wilson and FDR years. The moronic justices of those rulings were of course progressive socialists.
This was a HUGE difference between Hamilton and Jefferson. Hamilton, like these turd justices, decided he could read between the lines and see all types of garbage, thereby making a very powerful fed. Jefferson, on the other hand, with a direct quote "When I read between the lines of the Constitution, I see blank space"
The difference here is, are you a Marxist, seeing all forms of regulation between the lines through crapola interpretation? Or are you a Constitutionalist that can read it for yourself and with a light to moderate level of understanding the English language say, "Hey, they are not allowed to do this?"
That's good, P2O likes to "educate", not scare anyone……P2O is good with trolls…. just the education alone will make him disappear.
Touche'
LOL. And his policies stink worse!
It would be nice if this intense debate system had an "ignore" button on it. We would make most of these absolute idiots disappear.
Kristine,
You are correct.
Nobody talks much anymore about Johnson, but he was terrible.
A survey by a bunch of left wing lemmings ? HAHAHAHAHAH Lets have a survey here with Breitbart commenters. Any bets on who comes out on top? History is subjective. We KNOW the WHAT , the WHERE, and the WHO, but the HOW and especially the WHY, are up for interpretation. The left's twisted rewrite of history is being corrected, too bad for you. Want proof? Just look at your own survey. LBJ, FDR, Carter, and Wilson are all lower now than in 2000, whereas Reagan and Coolidge are both climbing. Lets check back in a couple of years.
One of the concepts Glenn Beck reinforced was the evolution of the operational concept, I call it perversion, that turned a debating society operating with defined limits into an unlimited one without limits. Coolidge was the last President, save Reagan that understood this. You see, to subvert the Constitution it is not necessary to amend it and sue it out of existence, liberals are defining it out of existence with their suicidal economic and cultural philosophy.
While you mention the aggravated FDR and his disdain for federal restraint, he attempted to have the SCOTUS increased from nine to fifteen justices. Apparently he was apoplectic over Schecter vs. US regarding the National Industrial Recovery Act and the courts ruling on the Bituminous Coal Conservation Act in Carter vs. Carter Coal Corporation. It appears that his proposed and passed legislation exceeded federal grip and darn it all anyway…He hated the SCOTUS for their scholarly read on the Commerce Clause.
The difference between Coolidge and GWBush? Coolidge managed to get out of office a year before collapse and thereby avoid responsibility for it. If GWBush had retired a year earlier, commenters on this site would be saying the collapse had nothing to do with his policies.
I would put up large signs in Spanish that warn non-citizens that it is a felony for illegal aliens and resident aliens to vote. I would also put up a sign that warns everyone who is voting that they are being video taped entering and exiting the building. Warn them to carry their driver's license too.
It might cut out 10% of the illegal voting.
All Americans are tea-party supporters,
as the truth finds them!!!"
Not to mention redefining definitions. Choice=Abortion. Liberal= Progressive. Social Justice= redistribution of wealth. A set of rigid rules, aka, the Constitution= a living document, flexible, malleable, in other words, meaningless words on old paper. And the infamous " ..depends on what the definition of 'is' is." Didn't something like this happen in the story of the Tower of Babel?
That is one of their weapons. Double-speak. Right Wrong. Black White . . . a word game that has deadly consequences.
"The right thing to do never requires any subterfuge, it is always simple and direct."
Calvin Coolidge.
I have great faith that on August 3rd the Missouri electorate will do "the right thing".
Check out the Coolidge speech at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5puwTrLRhmw . He was incredible.
I voted Democrat because…
- Thinking is too hard.
- I am pro-choice… Unless you choose life.
- I want Hollywood celebrities to tell me what to think and say.
- I am horrified at the Gulf Oil Disaster… We need to raise taxes.
- We need more taxes on business… Gee… Why do things cost so much?
- I am a fruit and I want the courts to force you to accept my deviant behavior.
- No one needs a gun, there is always a cop standing by to protect me from criminals.
- I want amnesty for all illegals, all they want to do is mow lawns and pick lettuce.
- I love Obama… He is giving me money from his stash… That’s why I voted for him.
Democrats (and RINOs) are Going Down…
http://usataxpayer.org/htm/goingdown.asp
Don’t Miss This…
http://usataxpayer.org/htm/vids.asp?A=88315525
Lucky it wasn't with a Monica Lewinsky type.
He could have cut it down to one word.
"Aahhhhhhhh".
Yup. I here Gore has the same issue. Man why is it so hard to walk in the museum, and not touch the paintings?
Ahhhh, shucks. I think I came off too strong. I just wanted a playmate that's all. LOL I was hoping for a lucid comeback. Maybe he is digging for some facts? Oh, I hope so. I get to learn something too. LOL
Hahahahahahahahaha….Him? Digging for facts? Funny! You'll be waiting a long time, I'm still waiting for his reply to a post that I wrote early this morning. You know? The one where he called me a moron and on an on.
Oh, no, no, no! We can't call it the "Communist" Manifeto any longer. that just isn't being nice.
It is now to be called "The Guide to Fundamental Transformation"
>> Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery
The left are nothign but thieves, as soon as people realize that, and it will take some doing, then we have turned a corner.
Don't forget the free shit!
Those hollywood celebrities — Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson — I hate it when then tell me what to think and say.
Ideas?
Oh you mean Ideas YOU like, maybe free condoms, child porn for everyone, tearing down churches, mandatory indocrination classes, and singing to our dear leader every morning?
You know N. Korea is looking for men like you, think about it.
On the one side we want to
It will take more than a minute, if the idea is not perverse, theft, or indocrination based "It does not compute" to morons on the left.
August 3rd is not his birthday, it was the day he was sworn into office. It's right there in the first sentence!
Simple, everything
Carter, LOL
Obama LMAO, and cry at the same time
You people on the left are pathetic
LOL, seriously?
Maybe you should take your next poll from a Hannah Montanna concert, be about as valid.
Idiot
Help me out here and tell me if I'm wrong and why. I've always believed that 'regulate' meant to 'keep regular', in other words to keep it flowing. For instance, if two states were home to businesses that made buggy whips and state A passed a law requiring that all buggy whips sold in that state had to be manufactured in that state, that the feds could step in and overturn that law. If that's the case, isn't the law outlawing the sales of insurance across state lines unconstitutional, as well as a factor in driving up health care costs ?
Do you know the difference between where you get your facts and a fantasy comic book?
Neither do I.
Another smear. It must be tough to get up in the morning when all you can spew is hate against someone who disagrees with you.
Dont forget the democrats love of freedom
Freedom from responsability
I know. I am absolutely broke. Maybe I should go and borrow another trillion from the Red Chinese. I will get back to you after I clear it with Dick.
They are not requiring you to purchase anything. If you do not you pay a tax to help defray the costs the uninsured are imposing on our government. This is a very enlightened concept. It is too bad you are against the government making people pay for the costs they create.
Really, the Communist Manifesto is found in our Constitution. Must have missed that somewhere down the line. You really need to stop relying on tired old cliches.
Taxes in the first place are robbery. No exceptions. Ask yourself: How do taxes get paid? Is it a cooperative exchange or is it by force? When something is taken via coercion, we can imply that people would not have made such an exchange on their own will and therefore the act was one of force. Robbery.
Reading on Binary Intervention via Taxation: http://mises.org/rothbard/mes/chap16a.asp
" To live under the Maobama administration is the greatest clusterfu(k that has ever been accorded to the human race " Quote attributed to me. Feel free to plagerize!
Since the Constitution was written, oh about 50 years before good ol' Karl, I doubt it included anything in it from the Communist Manifesto. Nice try, though.
Sorry, but I have never taken anything from the government. In fact, I pay for my employees' health insurance. Do you?
I prefer Forrest Gump. " Stupid is as stupid does. " Much easier to remember and just as apropo.
You are absolutely correct with one exception. I do not know too many persons of the minority persuasion who are excited to see private businesses which are open to the public, granted the ability to discriminate. Ooops.
Voice of Obscurity! You're back! Now I can enjoy kicking your rhetoric to the curb everyday!
Or, better yet, why don't we try that secession thing again? You carpetbaggers and yankees may scoff, but ask the people of Arizona and Texas. I guarantee there is a substantial portion of their, and other like minded state's, population that is all for it. Read the Dec. of Ind. We are fast approaching the time for decisive action.
Are you cross with me Husk? …I’m sorry. You really do love your Barry, don’t you? Husk while we’re on the subject of business, do you run your company for the good of society? What do you do with your evil profits? You do run your business break even right? You know your messiah is watching?
You don't pay jack, jackass. Your employees pay by working for you. It's part of their wages. Are you sure you own a business? You seem pretty stupid.
OMG!!….was in a rush for doctor's appt.—thanks for the proof read, albeit I regret I missed, BTW, Coolidge was born on the 4th of July! Oh well, I suppose he would take the defeat of the unconstitutional Obamacare as a belated birthday remembrance.
Yes it is so enlightened, that it is completely illegal. Shall we take another trip down Constitution lane or will you dance around the subject? What is the definition of a tax? Then tell me where in the Constitution the tax you argue is authorized. The federal government is not authorized to penalize anyone nor is there a precedent to allow the government to take from one to give to another. Makes the whole tax code seem off a bit yes?
Now, if only we can get barry to resign or impeached that would be sweet..trouble is we'd be stuck with the gaff machine….
There is one of sorts…just don't reply to the troll….let him/her/it flap in the breeze…bypass it's posts and avoid it like the plague it is….
That's BS!!!! You don't pay for their health insurance the employee's do.
You take from the tax payers though.
You are correct.
Thanx.
I am for people paying for the costs they create, and that is why I want the government to mind their helm. The people who create an expense should pay for it not anyone else. Why should I carry your burdens? I have my own family to care for, don't you? If you are so benevolent you can pay for any additional burdens you wish. I will pay for those I wish and the country is happy place.
Funny though,you never did address my points. Progressive obfuscation…Oh the games you play.
History and economics appear to be as elusive for you as Constitutional law. I don't think a bright light will help either. Off with you now, huff and puff awaits you.
Yeah they understood it so well when FDR was president that he wanted to pack the court. When the opinions favor your stance you laud them. When they don't your vitriole flows just as freely.
It is clearly evident you do not possess even a basic grasp of the English language. You must have been public schooled.
Did I say this? Nooooo. I said the interpretative reasoning (interpretations) used for the usurpation of federal power, via the courts, have serious roots in the Communist Manifesto. Let's stay simple here for you. Take your beloved "Commerce Clause" for example. Article 1, Section 8, Point 2. If by the scenario, we are witnessing today, and from what you are saying, the Constitution is in DIRECT CONTRAST to the CM Chapter 2. Yet, what has transpired since Wilson/FDR, has been the usurpation through despotic means to control the means of production, i.e. Commerce for you. FDR admitted it. Obama admits it.
Despots have no ends. To them, the “end justifies the means” no matter how many people suffer. We live in a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. These two forms of government are as wide apart as the east is to the west.
As defined by law, I'm not sure the definition, and right now I'm too lazy to look it up. In technology, however, to 'regulate' is a variable depending upon a set of specifications.
So, in this context I will apply it to law and in fact we do see that it is variable; depending upon the jurisdiction. As to the Constitution, unfortunately, we've had a way too many 'technicians' (Congress; Courts) who 'regulate' outside the specifications. And the country crumbles.
No, we get Obumacare. You're cheating the process. I'm reporting you to the IRS. What is your SSN?
Hahahahaha. Classic!
I needed this laugh today, as I got another IRS tax bill for "another huge effing welfare give away", I mean employment taxes.
I never said profits are evil. Oh, and I only have one messiah and he lived around 2,000 years ago. It gets really tiring dealing with your cliches. Why don't you get creative. Oh, I assume that is beyond your ability.
"Coolidge does rank above George W. Bush in the various rankings of Presidents by historians. So he must have been a great president."
That's the best trolling you can come up with? Seriously?
Weak, thy name is.
If I do, then so do you. Oh, and if I am not paying for my employees' health insurance, then I think the U.S. Chamber of Commerce should strongly endorse mandated health insurance because the employers will never have to pay. I think I will forward them your opinion.
You mumble a few words and phrases from the Constitution and you think you are a con law scholar. Now go read Ollie's Bar-b-que and tell me if you were a minority whether you support the so called usurpation of power which has transpired since Wilson or if you would like to go back to your way. Oh, and finally, if this was going on since Wilson, why did Roosevelt feel it was necessary to try and pack the court.
My insurance is taken out of my check every week from my GROSS.. My boss does NOT I repeat does NOT pay for my insurance.
Gross is the total amount I earn, but NOT the amount I bring home after they take out for people like you.
It's the employer's who must PROVIDE insurance, but they don't pay for it. That's the way it works in the working class, tax paying world. Sorry you don't know about the real world.
Born on the 4th of July… now that's a good omen!
Per the 16th Amendment, they are allowed to tax income wherever derived. As a result, the courts have permitted Congress the authority to grant deductions from the tax imposed. Congress in its wisdom has seen fit to grant persons with health care plans which meet certain requirements, an exemption from this tax. As far a your argument regarding "penalties", I will forward your statement to the IRS so the stop assessing penalties for underpayment, late payment, etc.
But Husk! …you love Barry…and think of the children! You know taking profit is taking food out of a poor child’s mouth, or denying shelter to poor unfortunate souls, that just want to sit home, eating Bon-Bons, smoking weed, while watching “Mr. Ed,” reruns. Don’t you feel ashamed? Oh, on the messiah thing, do you have a 2000 year old tree in your neighborhood? I know Barry’s not 2000…or is he?
I would love to pay for the benefit and only the benefit I receive. Unfortunately, it does not and can not work this way.
I am so sorry, Patriot. Was the Communist Manifesto really written before our Constitution?
Fortune cookies…right?
It may not matter. Since the executive branch has stopped following the guidelines in the Constitution and making laws by fiat, I would not be surprised to see a significant number of Americans say ENOUGH! and begin a passive protest and not adhere to tyrannical laws and dictates. Businesses are already leading the charge in court to undo liberal dictates that have no legal or moral basis, other than the prez wants it that way.
The word is out. Oboobie is rapidly losing control and with it, power.
We still have a long way to go and should NOT think the battle against tyranny is over, but the veneer of the hope and change facade is seriously cracked and beginning to fall off.
You make no point. Without the challenge by the state (or someone) then SCOTUS would never hear the case and the federal law would stand even if it is unconstitutional. The challenge is required, SCOTUS can't decide to examine a law without one. Also, the opposition of the Health Care bill is a DAMN GREAT IDEA to run as a campaign point. Same sex marriage is as well… which I adamantly support on equal protection grounds. The whole "civil union" sounds way too much like "seperate but equal" to me. Also, ACORN should take no more and NO LESS than their share of the blame and we have not even BEGUN to address the TRUE nefarious nature of ACORN.
You REALLY have no idea what the word "freedom" means do you? The government can not "grant" the ability to descriminate… it is a free choice. The GOVERNMENT can't descriminate because they are supposed to represent all Americans EQUALLY. That is mandated by the constitution. The REALLY funny thing is that it is illegal for a PRIVATE business to descriminate against people based on skin color and national origin (in violation of the right to "free association") but the government does it every day, all day long via Affirmative Action policies.
The point here is ol' Georgie borrowed nearly one trillion from the Red Chinese and no one complained on this page.
Excuse me, but I have never rendered an opinion of FDR's plan to increase the size of the court.
Sorry, Stan, but I do not do illegal drugs, unlike Rusty the Chickenhawk. You really need to stop the sacreligious nonsense. I would think the other persons who are Christian on this site would find it objectionable. Me, I simply rate the source.
I guess you need to find a new job and an employer who cares about his employees because I write the check every month. I also live in the real world.
An employer knows how much cash he has to pay to hire someone to fill a position. Are you with me so far ? You seem to be very dense, so I'll go slow. From that total the employer subtracts Social Security taxes, workmans comp. ,and any other expenses and benefits (such as health insurance, paid vacation, etc.) that they offer as a means of enticing folks to work for them. What's left is the gross pay that the employee is paid. You DO NOT pay 'extra', for their insurance.
I worked for a company in California 20 years ago and the owner dropped our coverage (because of a silly State regulation) and guess what ? My gross pay went up by a couple of hundred dollars a month. I had to pay for my own health care, but I had more money. Do you understand how it works now. I hope so, I feel like I'm trying to explain stellar evolution to my dog.
Sanctimonious Husk! Hahaha… Why don't you do drugs?
In response to your point regarding affirmative action, why does the name Clarence Thomas ring a bell?
Oh, please do not do that. I am attempting to set a record for low score.
Oh, I know how it works. However, if your employer pays the cost, it is generally not income to you, but a tax deduction for him. If you pay for the health insurance yourself, you can only deduct it if it exceeds 7 and 1/2 percent of your adjusted gross income. Since this is a relatively high level to meet, the employee ends up paying "extra". Did I go slow enough for you? I realize tax law is probably far beyond your capabilities.
If you know that you will be paying it, whether it is taxes or anything else, you deduct it from the total for that position. Quit being obtuse. Do you think that if a new car costs 30,000, that that is all you pay?
I don't know why the name Clarence Thomas rings a bell for you. I never try to figure out why illogical people say the things they say. It's impossible.
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At what point will middle america just break away and let the liberal left and right coasts scramble to determine what to pay them for food?…
If the truth finds the "minority's" , they will find that what you just meant to write is a lie.
I see. I am the first who went "obtuse". Try again. Next time stick to a topic you know.
//// "In fact, I pay for my employees' health insurance." ///
100% irrelevant. Just like everything else you post here.
Husband and I will likewise be voting as will my aunt. My Kansas-side relatives are JEALOUS.
I'm hoping that there is lots of voter apathy on the liberal side with no challenger to Carnahan. We conservatives have a reason to come out: Blunt or Purgason (how come I've never heard of him?) and MHCFA.
Not too worried. They'll have to put us in line behind AZ and the oil moratorium crowd as well as the states suing Obamacare outright.
Not to mention, I don't think the Dems have a primary challenger for Carnahan. The only reason they would have to remember to drag their apathetic butts to the polls is this initiative. Given the vote numbers from the Dem primaries we've seen so far that have primary challenges (100,000+/- for Alan Greene to win), I don't think it indicates a high level of energy on the political flip side of the coin.
Nice job schoolin' the moron here Alpha. He is nothing more than a clever plant. I hope I catch him sometime when I'm in the mood. A smart employer or retailer tries to anticipate every cost imaginable and then pays or prices their employees and product or service accordingly. Body Odor apparently never had to file a business plan.
Doing our best to make it the best day ever for you.
It's never a good sign for any administration when the states themselves are in open legal revolt.
Even God understands that idea: Thou shalt not steal.
I don't know, but I bet we'd be able to get a working industrial base up pretty quickly too. And I doubt that we'd have any issues tapping our resources.
THE CURRENT PLAN IS TO "FUNDAMENTALLY" CHANGE AMERICA! To make it the opposite of what it was, they are dividing the Citizenry to cause chaos, so their power will be needed to bring back civility!!!! THE SIDE EFFECT IS, The Citizens are uniting AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT (LAWLESS "LAW MAKERS"/"RULE MAKERS"), By definition, Rulers!!! The Nation of laws, has become a nation of rules!!!
Yeah, I was hopin' that he would come back with one more post so I could nail him this: He was tryin' to say that as an employer paying for his employee's insurance coverage he gets a tax deduction that the employee wouldn't get (except in very rare instances) and therefore he could make more profit and/or pay his employee more, a benifit for both parties. Thing is, he said this earlier:
/// "Sorry, but I have never taken anything from the government. In fact, I pay for my employees' health insurance. Do you?" ///
So, he says that by paying his employees health care, he gets a tax break, making his statement "….I have never taken anything from the government." an outright lie. Not that there is anything wrong with what he is doing for his employees, it's just that I find it amusing how all the progressives game the system as much as anyone, while complaining that the rest of us don't pay our fair share.
Not much of a Nixon fan either…
Peace with dignity, wage/price controls, EPA, etc…
Thank you! If I could vote in MO, I would, but sadly, I live in CO.
Wasn't it a town in Nebraska that was going to vote this week on illegalizing illegals?
Or more states could be like Colorado and put proposed new tax burdens on the ballot. We have a little law called TABOR that prevents the state from spending us to death; and certain tax hikes must be directly voted on by the people.
Dick Soros? I thought it was George Soros. I stand corrected.
The dopes USUALLY quit when they know they are beaten. Sometimes I leave out relevant points just for bait. Sometimes the dumb bastards take it, sometimes not. My "godmother" will argue for BG involvement and compassion all day long, but when it comes to paying taxes you would be hard pressed to find a more clever and knowledgeable evader. 'Least folk like you and me ain't hypocrites.
This website didn't exist when ol' George was President. Remember Holy_Troller. I will dispose of you at the proper time. You are mediocre at best. Can't wait to humiliate you when I am feeling up to it. I will own your sorry ass.
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I got so involved with Huckster that I missed this. I speak truth. It's part of the cost of doing business. If the government raises business taxes to the point of making employing someone prohibitive, you have to cut their pay or lay them off. Blame big government, don't laugh at me.
I WAS going to roast you for some reason, but I no longer remember why. You are alright by me now since I have read more of you in the last few days. I am sure you are SO relieved. Yeah, sure you are. Got an extra smoke? Welcome to the party. If I can figure out why I thought you were a schmuck, I will ask you about it. Or maybe I am just nuts.
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Definitely not laughing at your comment, rather I was highly agreeing with you, in the face of the Husker clown and his business knowledge.
Sorry about this, I should have made it clear.
No thanks, I like my job. And besides I'm not interested in working for seiu, acorn thug groups.
Or in the drug business.
Sorry….I forgot…… we tax payers aren't used to breaking the laws so please excuse us for not knowing all the ropes on fraud, and any other illegal acts you do.
More like his….lack of business knowledge. : )
First impressions are often correct and I may refresh your memory, in short order.:)
Boy, what a stretch. Any person of even below average IQ knows what taking from the government means. I assume you pay taxes too. I also assume that you claim all your legal deductions. As a result, you take from the government too, under your rational. Now go to a dictionary and look up the word hypocrite.
Excuse me, but where did I say I was in the "drug business"? I simply can not believe the level of ignorance and petty vindictiveness on this site. Anyone who disagrees with the agenda is somehow a "jackass", in the drug business or an ACORN thug. Talk about the American way of having a rational disagreement. Breitbart should be proud.
Man you lefties don't like reading do you?
I said…."OR"…I never said you did as fact. Don't blame me for the criminals you support. If you support criminals, thugs,druggies, and commies than that's what people look at. If you're not any of those than I suggest you find better company.
Calling me names just goes to show the same arrogance that obama shows every time he's in a pickle too. Call names, or blame Bush!
Well then, all the progressives are WAY below average IQ (I already knew this, but am surprised that you do) because according to them the rich 'don't pay their fair share', and therefore, 'are taking from the government'.
I looked up 'hypocrite' and it said "see 'lovers of BO' ". Why do you take your deductions, but expect others to pay more (maybe you don't personally feel this way, but ol' BO sure does, and you love him). I think we should have either a flat tax OR a consumption tax, something around 10%. Make EVERYBODY pay 'their fair share'. Do you agree ?
Ok, good. The government has made me paranoid, apparently.
Funny. I looked up the word "hypocrite" and saw your picture. First, most flat tax plans allow deductions, so you will really have a tough time with it. Second, the consumption tax is one of the most regressive tax systems. It would really hurt the lower middle class.
No. I am not the one who attempted to smear a person with generalities and accuse someone of committing illegal acts. Again, Breitbart must be very proud how persons on this site disagree with an opponent. And you complain about the so called left or the progressives react. Oh, I forgot, you belong to the Rusty the Chickenhawk school of two wrongs making a right. Speaking of which, I am certain, Rusty is on the top of your page of "druggies".
I agree that Coolidge and Harding were both great presidents and that leftist historians (that's almost redundant) have savaged them both unjustly. However, the leftist criteria for greatness in a president is how much he increased the power of government and did he increase it more than his opposition would have.
Wilson was a hideous president, a racist tyrant, but he nationalized the entire economy using as his justification a war from which we had nothing to gain. He had thousands of political prisoners whom Harding pardoned. Harding is hated not for the Teapot Dome scandal but for undoing the economic disaster that Wilson created.
As for Washington and Lincoln: Washington has been stripped of his stature by leftists who claim that the only thing important about Washington was that he owned slaves. Washington relinquished power peacefully and set a precedent of two terms in office for a president. However, he did little to expand the power of the state over the individual so leftists regard him as merely another racist slave owner.
Lincoln, on the other hand, is their model for presidents. Lincoln closed opposition newspapers, imprisoned his enemies, used military tribunals instead of the civilian courts to try people accused of treason, commandeered most of the North's economy, instituted conscription and an income tax. What more could the left want from a president?
While Bush is in a class with Johnson and Teddy Roosevelt for expanding government power, he did it against an opposition that wanted even greater expanded federal power so he gets poor marks from the left. Nixon, who greatly expanded the government, nevertheless gets condemned for being anti-communist.
Obama, who is on a path to challenging Woodrow Wilson as the worst president since 1900, gets mediocre grades from the left because he isn't increasing federal power fast enough.
Obama is an unmitigated catastrophe and will be hated until this generation dies off whereupon future leftist historians will "rediscover" Obama as a great president whose progress was stymied by gangs of miscreants called "Teabaggers".
Orwell said (paraphrasing) "He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future". Leftists have taken this to heart and now control history. To defeat them, the first thing to do is take back the history of the US.
Since you have no idea what I look like, I find your response not only unimaginative, but stupid as well. Figures, considering the source………..
A simple ' no' would have sufficed. And since the lower middle class buys fewer, and less expensive, items, they would pay less tax, but everyone would pay the same RATE. That sounds fair to me, but you, HypocritesLove Bo, think that fair is unfair, huh ? Interesting.
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Thank you, Big Government, for running this story! We here in Missouri are working VERY HARD to get the word out about the Missouri Health Care Freedom Act aka Prop C. For over a year we've screamed NO! Now, we must say YES.
Also, I recently met Chuck Purguson and got to spend some significant time with him. I found him to warm, gentlemanly, and very conservative. He won me over and I WILL be supporting Chuck all the way!
Chuck co-sponsored the HCFA and is capable of beating Carnahan in the general. Check out my analysis of this PPP poll to see how.
http://claycomopolitics.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/...
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Actually Chuck Purgason was a co-sponsor for SJR 25 that put Prop. C on the ballot (http://www.senate.mo.gov/10info/bts_web/cosponsoredby.aspx?SessionType=R&legislatorid=411). I believe that answers the challenge to his level of support for it. I for one will be voting for it.
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