Article V: Repealing ObamaCare
by Josie WalesThere is much talk of repealing socialized medicine, though the rhetoric has waffled a bit since passage. The problem is that even if we gain majorities in Congress we still need 60 votes in the Senate to avoid a filibuster, not to mention the 2/3 majorities we need in both houses to override a presidential veto. Meet Article V of the Constitution:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, SHALL call a convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate. (emphasis added)
Dark thoughts are on American minds these days, despite the optimism in the American system. It is not the first time, nor will it be the last. Travel backwards to the Spring of 1786. The Articles of Confederation were the “Supreme Law of the Land,” but one Charles Pinckney of South Carolina proposed a revision. Congress represented the sole institution of our national government, and Congress was rather weak. The states retained much of their sovereignty, and Congress, with the few powers it actually wielded, could only operate with unanimous consent. Rebellion and credit issues abounded, not to mention the threat of foreign invasion, without effective centralized governance. And so, the Constitutional Convention eventually convened in May 1787 to revise our system of government, and prevent disaster.
The Articles of Confederation were completely replaced by the Constitution when New Hampshire ratified it as the ninth state on June 21, 1788. The United States of America under the Constitution came into existence without a bloody revolution or civil war. And the Constitution provided a means to revision in Article V.
Every amendment to our Constitution was proposed by 2/3 of both houses of Congress. When there have been possibilities that 2/3 of state legislatures would propose an amendment Congress has pre-empted. Perhaps Congress, and the national government as a whole, feared a convention would completely alter our system of government, as did the Constitutional Convention. This is the fear we need to engender. If a convention is called, we will radically restore the limits of power on the national government to prevent its hegemony over the rights of individuals and the powers reserved to the states. We will radically alter its cash flow, and its ability to subvert the meaning of words for political gain.
Many think Congress will not acquiesce to our demands, but we have a legitimate Constitutional argument to force its hand. “Shall” is unequivocal. And if the progressives think it is not then the vast majority of laws passed in this country, including their precious socialized medicine, are illegitimate. Hell, the 1st Amendment would be absolutely useless if “shall” is not absolute, let alone every other limit on government regarding our rights. The Supreme Court cannot ignore this fact, and 2/3 of states petitioning the courts will not be ignored. Furthermore, Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist Paper 85:
“By the fifth article of the plan, the Congress will be obliged ‘on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the States…to call a convention for proposing amendments’…The words of this article are peremptory. The Congress ‘shall call a convention.’ Nothing in this particular is left to the discretion of that body.” (emphasis added)
We should be ready to call for an Article V convention, regardless. This requires a focus not only on national politics, but state politics. A majority in Congress will help us avoid a conflict over Congress’s obligation to call a convention, but it is the state legislatures that must call for the convention. We need 34 states to call a convention. We need 38 states to ratify whatever comes out of that convention. It must be our goal to take back the state legislatures in as many states as possible. And we cannot forget that goal in our drive to replace Congress.
We should not even begin to consider other means by which we can bring the national government in line with our national will (though preparation never hurts). In fact, we do not necessarily need to call an Article V convention. The mere threat may suffice, at least in the short term. Perhaps an election is all we need. I am an optimist, but I am not a naïve optimist.
Over 200 years ago we had a crisis over a weak national government. Our Founders strengthened the national government, but entirely in terms of limitation to prevent Tyranny. Over the course of time, those limitations have been slowly eroded by false promises and naked power grabs.
We are not beyond the brink, but I see Tyranny raising its ugly head on the not too distant horizon. “Don’t tread on me” means nothing unless we are willing to use every tool at our disposal to stop Tyranny in its tracks. Article V is a fairly potent tool, and the one most suited to our times.
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Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) says to forget about repealing health care reform.
"The fact is that's not going to happen, OK?" Corker said today at Vanderbilt University. He also said last week that repeal is "probably not going to be practical."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/corker...
Fedarlist Papers are hardly binding documents. I'm not sure if you're aware, but there actually have been precedents established in this area since Alexander Hamilton's time.
Here is a look back at Leftist hate of Bush and the Right – the hate they condemn now!
http://www.youtube.com/user/taylorlcx#p/a/f/0/z6b...
Another consertard blowing smoke and ignoring reality. More and more Americans a finding out the details of this bill and it differs from the hyperbole they have heard for one year. The only freedom you have lost is the freedom to pass the costs of your health care down to the persons with insurance and society. It completely escapes me how a party could propose a mandatory health care legislation 18 years ago and turn around and demagogue it today.
They have all the rope they need. When this pile of crap absolutely crushes us, the people will finally support electing representatives that will do away with Obamacare.
Constitutional Convention already in the works…
http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com/2010/03...
I'm all for this action as a tool to regain our freedom and put some control on this unconstitutional CONgress!!!
Let's do it!
This is our only real hope. Legal challenges will fail. We will likely control the house and the senate in 2010 and will be able to sculpt bad into less bad – but it will still be bad. It might even be worse than bad if citizens continue to lose faith in the legitimacy in our form of government.
This is why I don't think repeal is realistic. Or at least it probably wont be till 2012 when the next presidential election is held.
http://www.PoliticalCentrist.com News and views for independent voters
Here is great insight on Obama care, from a constitutional scholar.
http://pjtv.com/v/3325
Let's go Con Con!!
HC reform would be a good thing. However this HC reform bill is a terrible conglmeration of sociaIist work. At best it will provide health care to some people at a cost to all. It is a violation of the constitution on several fronts… this alone is why we must fight it. If you think the only freedom you lost is "the freedom to pass the costs of your health care down to the persons with insurance and society", then you do not have a firm grasp on what this bill is all about. As more Americans are finding out what's in this bill, more Americans are against it. States are against it form day one. Corporations (that provide jobs) are loosing money. It has been confirmed that this is all about wealth redistributiona nd control of the people. You may not see it, but you are loosing your freedom and you are being enslaved.
The freedom we lost is to not pay for health insurance, either for ourselves, or for someone else through a fine. This is where you progressives get it wrong, people aren't against health care reform, they're against the government takeover of the health care system. What completely escapes me is how anyone could believe that this multi-trillion dollar entitlement program will reduce the deficit.
So, why not just use reconciliation to repeal the bill. That seems to be where the dems are now and will be passing major legislation that way from now on.
If the economy does for improve (unlikely under this administration) and the midterm elections turn out poorly for the Democrats (likely) I can see a scenario where the Democrats turn come around on this issue. In 2012 26 out of the 33 Senate races are held by Democrats and to save their seats will turn their back on President Obama.
It's sad that the current administration must abuse the Constitution the way it has in order to pass such bad legislation. Bill what Bill? Admendments, Lawsuits, lack of funding would make this Bogus Deal fade. Many sections of this Bill is Unconstitutional, i.e. the mandate for enrollment, which could be challenged in court or rejected by the individual states itself. This is not a Bill to insure everyone however, it's a Bill to redistribute the wealth which Hussein is all about!
Perilous times, intollerable Acts, do require drastic measures.
Bring it on.
When Democrats want to twist every arm, break every law, and ignore the Constitution , it's – "Yay! Nothing's Impossible! By Whatever Means Necessary! We'll Parachute In!" But when opponents want to enact anything or repeal anything for the purpose of faithful adherence to the Constitution, it's – "I don't know if we can do it! Maybe if we..er..um! We're stuck! This is our last hope!" I'm beginning to think all of this was pre-ordained.
People – If this Bill stands, our Treasury Secretary, under his own personal discretion, or on a whim, can dissolve or take over absolutely any private business/industry that he feels is getting too big for its britches. Do you understand how egregiously unconstitutional that is? This law would not have been passed without bribes, so our representatives did not act with full faith and credit, but contrary to our wishes. That's tyranny folks.
Starve the government machine. Cut funding everywhere. Fire Federal Employees. Sell off government housing to their tenants. Just like Reagan and Thatcher did.
"It completely escapes me how a party could propose mandatory health care legislation 18 years ago and turn around and demagogue it today. "… which implies the Democrats were against it 18 yrs ago, and have pushed it through now. Why? Because the found a way to gain more power over us. Democrats and Republicans are BOTH crooked entities. Neither of them are saints…
btw, You have every right to believe in leftist views, but calling names… "consertard" is just imature. Your debate is welcome, your name calling is not (but typical from the left).
When you sell your soul to Satan, there is no refund.
IRS to Enforce Health Reform!
Obama Czar orders funding of ACORN!
Democrats now Pushing Climate Legislation!
Bart Stupak (D-MI) Sold Out Abortion for $726,409!
http://usataxpayer.org/?0050135387
The best hope is to defund Obamacare which is going to require an all out assault on Democrats at the ballot box. Hopefully the mid-terms are just the beginning.
It is a comfort at how fast in the past year the grassroot tea parties have sprung up and organized themselves.
Every election that brings more anti-socialist fiscal conservatives to office also means more voices and election mandates that the MSM has a harder time ignoring. The MSM can smear tea parties with impunity now, but, it won't be so easy when it translates into election results.
Wait until the Republicans have retaken the House. If you were to have a Con-Con tomorrow, Nancy Pelosi would preside as she is currently Speaker of the House. She will set the agenda, and I guarantee it will not be limited to an Amendment repealing Obamacare. Every lily-livered, bleeding-heart liberal cause could be on the table.
Unless we want these bozos to pass an Amendment guaranteeing equity of RESULT (as opposed to equality of OPPORTUNITY, based upon MERIT), we need to hold tight…for now.
Sorry, fool. More and more company accountants are getting the first look at this bill and are *horrified.* Company after company are announcing huge balance-sheet wirtedowns (and pissing off Henry "Pignose" Waxman). Obama and Pelosi have fed American business a gigantic shit sandwich.
Just wait till you learn what the premiums you're paying are gonna be.
(BTW, you exaggerate the living hell out of your personal hobbyhorse, the emergency-room problem. It's especially minor if you rule out illegals.)
While the federalist papers are not binding, they represent an expanded version of the thinking and reasoning behind the constitution. As such, they are the most important tool for interpretation of the constitution. The words of the constitution, as we have seen in history, can be misinterpreted as the meaning of words evolve. However, the federalist papers allow average voters to better understand the intended meaning of words and phrases in the constitution. In fact, the federalist papers were directed to the people residing in the 13 original colonies to build support for ratification of the constitution.
I've heard this proposal before, but before you think it's a good idea, consider this: There is no such thing as a "limited" Constitutional convention. If a Constitutional convention is called, ALL of the Constitution, the entire body, is up for revision. Do you really want Schumer, Feinstein, and the likes of them rewriting the Constitution? Just imagine what would happen. Guns? Gone. Homosexual rights? Present and accounted for. Granted, the states ratification would be dubious at best, but that's not a gamble I want to take.
I'll add we can't even count on the courts. Westboro verdict by the 4th district court as a prime example. A father, whose son gave his life for this country, is utterly insulted and fined. Has he not suffered enough? The courts to let us suffer.
Really. According to CNN, in 2009, 900,000 Americans filed bankruptcy as a result of health care expenses. I would say a visit to the ER was not responsible for most of these bankruptcies. Once again, the AMA endorsed the bill which contained significant cuts in the Medicare reimbursement rate because they realize they will not be writing off as much of their fees as they have in the past. Also, most of the doctors in the AMA are not ER docs.
Let me make this crystal clear. If the federal government can require a citizen to buy anything they can tell us to do anything they want in perpetuity. If the Supremem Court does not over turn this facet of this bill we are doomed.
Believe in leftist views? Please. Who believes in the most flawed leftist view that there is such a thing as a free lunch? Hmmm. I know. All the "freedom" lovers on this site. You people simply can not handle the truth. If you do not have insurance, you are passing your health care costs down to the persons with insurance and the government.
I'm all in. The last few weeks and days has convinced me that the majority of Washington folks are stark, raving mad, and DO NOT have American's best interests at heart, to say the least. REPEAL is not just an option, it is a necessity to save the union. If it takes a Constitutional Convention, forge onward. Let's not wait until an overpopulated GUAM capsizes into the ocean. (!)
Randy Guy, FYI 30+ states would have to ratify your ammendments or rewrites. I don't think you will get that kind of consensus on nutty peripheral stuff. It must be done while conservative Americans still have a voice in this country.
God, Guns, and Guts made this country. It's time to bring them back. I'm afraid there won't be any other choice.
The *board* of the AMA endorsed it; two-thirds of the membership opposed
it. 'Co-opt the top' is standard Obama-Chicago practice; they did the
same with AARP (whose leadership stands to make a bundle).
And just wait 'till you get a load of the coverage you will now be
required to provide your employees.
It isw possible to get this done. Why can't we introduce a bill to let the American People decide if they want this healthcare mess? Being that this is the takeover of 1/6 of our economy shouldn't we have a say nationally. 535 people made this decision for 280,000,000 million of us on a bill that effects everyone negatively & only benefits 10% of our population. They are getting the benefits & the money I & my Four fathers worked to earn is being taken from me. This isn't a foreign matter, it's a domestic matter. When it comes to something this large we the people should have the final say.
I already provide coverage for my employees which exceeds the minimum which is required under the plan. You see, I understand there is no such thing as a free lunch and I also depise hypocrites.
In my opinion, a call by the States for a limited constitutional convention to propose an amendment for a national direct legislation would be a valuable approach to change the dictatorship of the political elites in our country. Article V does not restrict the option of calling for a constitutional convention for specific amendments. Once Congress were somehow forced to call it, then the thorny questions would "how would they be forced to call it? and Who would the delegates be?" In fact the Philadelphia convention was called for a specific purpose.
"Who believes in the most flawed leftist view that there is such a thing as a free lunch? Hmmm. I know. All the "freedom" lovers on this site. "… Not quite. but you go on thinking that.
"If you do not have insurance, you are passing your health care costs down to the persons with insurance and the government."… true. I'm amazed you understand that actually. That doesn't justify a gov takover tho! A gov take over amplifies that problem ten fold. Can it be elliminated completely? Not likely. But there's much better ways to reduce the number of people taking advantage of the system.
http://newsmax.com/Headline/Andrew-Napolitano-bar...
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This is a must view ! The Judge Napolitano is awesome and nails the repeal and constitution laws perfect ! The Dems are just trying to get us to give up spreading more lies and they know they are in a corner with the American People – keep fighting folks ! 7 months to go !
My, Josie learned history in a government school… if we'd stuck with the A of C, we certainly wouldn't be in the present mess. And if the COTUS was such a good deal, why did Rhode Island have to be bullied into ratification?
Chief argument against a Constitutional Convention (Con-con) : it would be populated by the same people who have shredded the present constitution, so instead of the soft editing of the Supreme Court, we could edit in hard copy.
Want to bet that the 2nd, 9th and 10th amendments wouldn't survive the cut?
Where is the evidence that two-thirds of the AMA's members opposed the health care bill?
Husko – the AMA makes up less than 20% of Doctors and Healthcare Professionals in this country – they support Obamao – not the Doctors that will be fleeing the once Best Healthcare in the Country !! Do you look outside the box you're in ?
http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjZl...
\”• Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government
expansion plan.\”
This is the rule in federal court. The loser pays the prevailing party's costs, not including attorneys' fees. See Federal Rule 54(d)(1). Sometimes this is inequitable, but it is the rule. Don't blame the court. By the way, it was the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, not the 4th district court.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article….
Good point, Liz. This abomination won't be that easy to repeal. And, don't forget all of the Blue state folks that support it.
The best hope for now unless there is a gigantic sea change in popular opinion is more fiscal conservatives in Congress to slowly defund it. Unfortunately we have far too many mindless sheeple who are disengaged.
Every election no matter how small counts.
Aren't we all taught from a young age that the greatest virtue of a great society and all it's people is based in principle on truth and honesty. What does that say about the United States of America today where the two controlling political parties, the republicans and the democrats, lied to the American people when they put forth Barak Obama as a candidate for the Office of President knowing that he was never eligible to ever become a presidential candidate because of his father never ever being a citizen of the United Sates. Why is it so important for the democrats and the republicans and practically all of the main stream media that the United States and it's great people should suddenly rely upon deceit and malfeasance as the new principle for which a great society and it's people is based upon? Why do they want us to go throughout our lives knowing that life in America is nothing but a lie? Deceit and malfeasance prevails in America while truth and honesty has passed away! So much for providing for our POSTERITY!
Off topic here, Just heard obama to mandate stricter emission standers through the EPA.on vehicle emissions water,green house gases. He said he would go through the EPA to mandate cap & trade regulations if he couldn't get it passed. Here we go. The EPA has mandated Ca. into bankruptcy. Grab onto your britches folks, EVERYTHING will go up in cost……. More jobs GONE. WTF is this guy doing to us ?????????????????? Liberals if you don't see this as destruction you are so far gone there is no helping you, and we all go down with the insanity.
[...] Article V: Repealing ObamaCare [...]
And while we're at it, imposing term limits on both houses of congress would be a good thing.
The link leads to "Page Not Found."
You need to learn to sift the wheat from the chaff. When the Dems pulled those stats, they used all bankruptcies in the country with ANY medical bill in them at all. So, they could say that these bankruptcies were "related" to unpaid medical expenses. Sure, they were also related to unpaid credit cards, unpaid personal loans, unpaid mortgages, etc. A Fact check audit shows that 90% of those bankruptcies had nothing at all to do with medical expenses as their prime cause. Most of the medical bills were small unpaid clinic bills that had been sent months after treatment, for lab tests, x-rays, etc, and just ignored by the person, and had been on their accounts for years, the vast majority of them being well under $1,000 per bankruptcy claim.
Be careful what you wish for…. by demanding Congress hold a Constitutional Convention, you give Pelosi and Reid the power to radically alter our Constitution into something that will look nothing like the sacred document created by our principled founders. We have the power to restore the Constitution through the States. They can pass legislation to take back their power and push the Federal government back into their Constitutional box.
Article V is the only way to put congress back in its proper place, to undo what the progressives have done, and return this country to what is was always intended to be. We must do it. But what Amendment(s) would be passed is a very big question.
We should: 1) repeal Health Care; 2) repeal the 16th Amendment (replacing the IRS & IncomeTax with a Fair Tax – for many reasons); 3) repeal the 17th Amendment; and 4) establish term limits.
Honestly, we cannot be resigned to a bad system. If we can't get off our asses and take the steps necessary to preserve/restore our freedom, then we don't deserve it. The federal government must not be allowed to exceed its bounds, but be checked by the authority of the States, and the People.
Furthermore, it is perfect time to do away with the whole idea of an income tax which can be nothing but a cancer to our economy. It's stupid to tax income. But it is also a very effective means for Washington to control far more than they should ever be allowed. I think the FairTax can almost win the war against the progressive agenda as well as pulling us out of the Great Recession.
People say things all the time. So what?
Details boy! Let's here 'em! Otherwise STFU.
Can a constitutional expert answer the following please: can a bill passed via reconciliation be repealed via reconciliation? This is an important avenue to pursue, not because we wish to abuse the process like the Left but because their wretched handiwork should be undone by the same rules.
After repeal via reconciliation the Right should amend the rules to strengthen reconciliation and more narrowly define what can be done via reconciliation.
A better way? Really. Why wasn't "your way" introduced instead of demagogueing the health care bill? I will patiently await your response.
As one of your leftie Colleagues pointed out… Republicans presented a plan 18 yrs ago. Sounds like an alternative to me. Unfortunately, your leftie comrades shot it down…
As for my own opinion…free-market ins… Inter-State plans… more competition… less gov regulation… you name it.
Government is NOT the solution, Government IS the PROBLEM.
Obviously, you have never had a class in economics or business. All businesses pass the costs of their non-paying customers down to their paying customers. Hospitals are no different. So they pass down the costs of their deadbeats to the persons with insurance and the government. I am just astounded that a website which prides itself as a "conservative" website would somehow glorify a post of someone who is proud they are leaving their bills to society to pay. Just like the welfare queens who go out and have another child.
A great article. Just for everyone's information. All 50 states have already submitted over 700 applications for an Article V Convention call, far in excess of the 34 applications required to cause Congress to call. Th applications can be read at http://www.foavc.org. The author states we should call a convention regardless. Obviously he was unaware of the public record of applications. He is entirely correct. Congress MUST call a convention regardless and cannot intervene by simply ignoring the Constitution. If you take time to read the FOAVC website and there is a lot to read, you'll discover Congress has refused to call for a long time. Either Congress is forced to call or we must accept the government is entirely out of control. This is unacceptable.
The average total of the medical bills in the study exceeded $19,000 per debtor. That means the amount written off was $18 billion. I guess that is chump change. Currently, the hospitals write off about 20% of their bills. Speaking from experience, approximately 1,000 children develop a brain tumor each year. Unfortunately, one of my sons was a statistic. His medical treatment will end up costing about $1 million when he is through. Assuming 35% of all Americans do not have insurance, the total for this group would be $350 million per year.
Defund the whole mess by attaching it to an appropriations bill and then hold on!! Folks are beginning to wake up, wait until your health insurance goes up, and up and up. This was sold as an affordable health care for all, not a give-away program to some and an additional tax burden for most.
"Why wasn't "your way" introduced instead,……"
And just who was going to introduce it there HBO,………..
Nancy Pelosi,….Harry Reid,…..60 Democrat Senators,……70 majority house members,..????????
because of that Democrats have a right to trample all over the will of the people.
What percentage of all doctors belong to the AMA,……..??????
Then he needs to be shown the door…I am in no mood to coddle the weak…
That means the amount written off was $18 billion. I guess that is chump change.
Compared to the total cost of the Health Care bill, Yes it is chump change.
Its there:
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article….
Try again…and do your own work next time, lazy child…
Pure fantasy, but this might be best: Voluntary taxation.
Send as much money to the Treasury as you feel like sending.
The value of your vote gets weighted accordingly.
Deadbeats lose their vote.
If this Bill stands, our Treasury Secretary, under his own personal discretion, or on a whim, can dissolve or take over absolutely any private business/industry that he feels is getting too big for its britches.
Sounds like GM – Government Motors.
Somehow I believe that a Constitutional convention or an equivalent is in the playbook.
This abomination won't be that easy to repeal.
I believe that it can not be repealed. The best that can be hoped for is to revise it.
He's turning into a wobbly Rino, we expected better. He got the point about the Bank bailout reform mush — and backed down. He'll get it, or get out.
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This is a health care scam – by marxists for marxists.
It's going to cost 3 x what is stated and the end game is insolvency and a Soviet style collapse — everybody will suffer, but especially the poor here and abroad as the despots will take over the globe.
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I'm all in for this. Let's roll.
I live in CA nad have been holding onto my shorts for years. I believe that the best way to fix this state is the big earthquake.
God, guns, guts and gold (fiat obama$ no good).
Why stop with term limits?
Why are they allowed to exempt themselves from the Health Care Bill.
Why do Politicians get 100% retirement after one term?
What are they going to do, become bus drivers?
Thanks for a working link. What's with the "lazy child" crack? All I did was note that the link led nowhere.
I agree with you! Check out http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Constit…
A con-con is a horrible idea as it opens the entire constitution to amendment, not just the initiating measure. In these difficult times, our "leaders" cannot be trusted. Peaceful noncompliance. That's how Gandhi brought down the British empire. We outnumber them. They can't arrest us all…
I see them waking up daily. Boy are they gonna be pissed. Me, I lost my health care last november because my employeer said if the senate bill passed he wouldn't be able to afford it. Health insurance will sky rocket for us middle-class.
If we were to have the power to call a Con-Con, we would have the power to over-ride a presidential veto.
I agree with those who don't want to open the door to what a well funded and organized progressive block could do under the guise of modernizing the constitution.
This is the time when we'll separate the strong conservatives from the RINOs, as we see who girds themselves for electoral war and who just wants to get back to the normal Washington BS.
I like it!
Article V of the Constitution is a binding document though, you dumb uneducated sheepie.
You've got that right. Obama himself has said that this plan will coast an ADDITIONAL $60 Billion a year on top of what is spent now (which means it will be 10 times that). So under Obama-nomics rules it makes sense to spend $60+ billion to save $18 Billion. No wonder our economy will soon be in line with most 3rd world countries. They guy couldn't run a lemonade stand.
Starting after mid-term elections hopefully we can start the process of defunding Obamacare.
Thanks to congressional and Obama boneheadedness the economy isn't going to snap back in time to save him. I think a more weary, broke and anxious public will produce more doubters and interest into the lefty utopian socialist big schemes that will hold back permanent recovery.
Article V will require a significant "consensus" across a large swath of America. Josie makes a very good point, we must begin ourselves to find opportunities to serve and populate local municipal and state governments. The grassroots level is where America will be won or lost.
I filed bankruptcy because my ex wouldn’t stop spending money then I had to give her half my retirement BOO HOO. I was happy to go broke getting out of that mess and i will be happy to go broke to get a bypass if i need one … Now what the hell was your point ..Oh that’s right your afraid Mommy and Daddy will spend all their money trying to live longer and leave you without a basement to live in.
Yes this is the way!!! In addition, states can make it "popular" by campaigning that we're tired of letting the federal government take all the hard earned money OUT of our state. The state of "blank" need to help it's people FIRST. This was how our country was set up and succeeded very well. Time to abolish the income tax!!!
That's what you said. Where's the evidence? Putting quotation marks around it doesn't make it true.
I hope you're right!
Love the Judge!
It took me less time to Google the link than to write it in…
Adults show initiative and competence…children wait until someone does it for them…
Show initiative next time…
I left the medical dodge to drive a semi…it makes more money…
Intelligent, competent people will always have a job…if anything, they'll start their own business…
Or they can go into research, administration, management…or law…
Dumb comment, Stevil…
You couldn't be more wrong! Under Article V, Congress has to call the convention if 34 states call for it. That's it! End of story! It is up to the States, not Congress to decide how the convention will be run and who the representatives attending will be.
The whole purpose of this part of Article V is to give the States a check on an out of control Congress unwilling to control itself.
Thanks for the words of wisdom. And congratulations on bearing such a striking resemblance to that noted slushhead, the 40th president of the U.S.
So you were a doctor, were you? Must not have been too successful if you're making more money driving a truck. I doubt many doctors will decide to get into some other line of work.
Add in Fed. judges, 10 yrs., once, Supremes on down.
That the right considers this "socialized medicine" either shows how ignorant they are of what socialism actually is, or how deluded they have become about where the center actually lies in America's political spectrum. All this did was hand PRIVATE insurance companies 30 million new forced clients. And the idea came from Mitt Romney, originally. Plus, you get 100 million dollars MORE funding for abstinence/ignorance sex-ed than the Bush administration gave. Open your eyes and start being objective.
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