Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Terror Trials in the Big Apple
by John M. O'HaraIt is a Friday and President Obama is abroad. What better time for the President and the Department of Justice to announce that 9/11 coordinator Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and some of his fellow terrorists will be tried in a civilian court in New York City?
Yesterday, I wrote about the curious connection that major Obama and ACORN supporter Bruce Ratner has to the Department of Justice – the very department that refuses to initiate a criminal trial of ACORN. It just so happens that Bruce Ratner’s brother, Michael Ratner, shares the terrorist coddling sympathies of Attorney General Eric Holder. As Michelle Malkin documents, Holder not only pushed for the pardoning of actual terrorists in his last stint at DOJ, but he was also a senior partner at a law firm representing detainees at Guantanamo. While Michael Ratner has not represented Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he did represent a handful of terrorists and won them the right to challenge their detention in U.S. courts under habeas corpus. This is just one of many legal “victories” that have paved the way for folks like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to be tried in civilian court on our soil.
This particular example highlights the underlying notion that terrorists should be privy to the same rights as United States citizens. In this instance, President Obama did in fact exercise his discretion (if you can call it that) by allowing the trial to take place in civilian court. Attorney Brian Levi serves as the Director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University. As Levi noted today, “As a legal matter President Obama could very well also have tried these five detainees before military tribunals, as five others are…”
There is longstanding precedent for the use of military tribunals to deal with the difficult situation of unlawful combatants captured in a time of war. As Arthur Herman wrote in Commentary, this is the original path the Department of Justice and the Bush administration sought:
The rules on Gitmo detention and on interrogation constituted a valiant attempt to deal with an unprecedented legal situation. The same was true of the system of military “commissions” or tribunals for trying suspects at Gitmo. Here the Justice Department largely followed the precedent of tribunals used by the American military during World War II, and upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in its 1942 decision Ex Parte Quirin.
As 9/11 victim relatives Debra Burlingame and Tim Sumner lay out in a letter and petition to President Obama, and as anyone who has watched an episode of Law and Order can surmise, there are a host of thorny issues that could arise in the civilian trial of an unlawful military combatant. These detainees weren’t Mirandized. Secondly, their extended detention, a defense attorney could claim, was in violation of the assurance of a swift and speedy trial. Furthermore, given that they were caught on a battlefield, the chain of evidence is not up to par with the (rightly) strict standards of our civilian courts. Could their cases be dismissed outright? These are legitimate legal concerns raised with these cases.
The actual threat to New York City that high value detainees bring is even more frightening. The security and logistics necessary to bring these people to New York and secure them there are both expensive and risky. If only we had a special place where we could keep these guys safely away from American cities and citizens, away from terrorist stunts to release them, and still give them three square Halal meals a day, a copy of the Koran, art classes and inter-cell block soccer leagues. Oh wait…we do, but the President is closing it.
I have the solution. Perhaps Bruce Ratner is willing to donate a portion of his real estate empire to house Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his buddies in New York. Maybe he could come up with another eminent domain-stimulus-ACORN scheme where he doesn’t even have to pay as much for it or where he could even turn a profit? Now that’s a win-win-win!
In all seriousness, what’s a concerned citizen to do? As with any policy concern, you can call your elected officials to respectfully register your opinion. Then you can sign the petition headed for President Obama’s desk.
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"The actual threat to New York City that high value detainees bring is even more frightening"
John M. O'Hara, you scare mongerer you!
John M. O'Hara, if you argue the Geneva conventions didn't apply to these folks, why on earth would they stand before a military tribunal?
Okay, that's an open question for anyone.
"where we could keep these guys safely away from American cities and citizens, away from terrorist stunts to release them"
more irrational scare mongering from John M. O'Hara. We hold some of the worst of the worst criminals in prisons on american soil. white supremacists, mass murderers, shoe bombers(richard reid), attempted dirty bombers (jose padilla), attackers of military installations.
LIES.
I am not really surprised, criminals all use the same attorneys, you have to specialize in order to do this kind of thing, wonder who Obama will get when the time comes?
Scott, you can put more than one thought in a post, my mistake, using the word "thought" that is, apologies
He's free anyway – he wasn't read his maranda rights… Can't this guy "accidently" fall down and elevator shaft! We need to talk to the Clintons to see how they did it!!!
Now let's get to the important stuff…
James Okeefe releasing his Los Angeles ACORN video next week !!!
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How many of them masterminded, or proclaimed proudly to have masterminded, the murder of nearly 3,000 American civilians on US soil, all in the name of Allah?
The Muslim terrorists who were behind the 9/11 attacks are nothing like garden variety criminals. It's ludicrous that you're trying to equate them.
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then explain how we already manage attempted shoe bombers(richard reid), attempted dirty bombers (jose padilla), along with well armed and well financed south american drug kingpins, the mafia, the wacko gov't hating militia members, etc.
sorry. you just bought in to the fear mongering hook, line, and sinker.
"my mistake, using the word "thought" that is, apologies "
exactly how old are you?
so what, whats wrong with fear mongering, yeah youre real brave, bravest internet bloggin patriot ever, congradulations
"Now let's get to the important stuff…"
the trial of 9/11 mastermind is like an afterthought compared to muckracking trash you pick up against ACORN?
get some perspective.
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i will take that to mean you cannot, in fact, explain how these terrorists pose any more danger than the terrorists we have already tried in civilian court and house in normal prison.
it's an open question for anyone. any takers?
Hey Scot – you seem to be on here alot – is this your full time job paid by ????? And do you pay taxes on that income?
Sorry Scott,
A. I dont date men (or boys)
B. I am over 12 so even if B does not disuade you my age should
C. Old enough to have dealt with your type multiple times in my life, I may have even fired you once or twice
Strike C, your incapable of lasting through and interview, let alone getting a job, which is why you probably have so much free time to post 100's of pieces of drivel per day.
Liberal newspapers, MSDNC, CNN and left-wing blogs will do whatever it takes to find and publish the names and address of the selected jury. These guys are going to out of court room as free men thanks to the Obama administration.
1st question, how are they going to find an impartial citizen jury in NYC? 2nd question, would you want to be on it? I for one would not want to be within a 100 mile radius of the courthouse this trial will be held at.
I was thinking the same thing, the guy posts hundreds of posts per day, probably a governent employee or claims orphan.
Scott probably doesnt understand that prisons are recruiting grounds for criminal organizations, or that during discovery they can get classified material and pass it on, or that communicating with his buddies is much easier from prison than cuba.
Just think of what you do at truther meetings scott, kind of like that only with adults and much more serious consequences.
The man really is an endless opportunity for humor though, and I do enjoy seeing him try and rationalize his posts, typical progressive half wit, and with that I apologize to half wits everywhere.
How does this play out: Maybe the answer is easy to find. Harold Koh was picked by this administration to be one of the top State Departments lawyers He was Dean at Yale Law school and you don't leave that job just to push papers at State Department. Harold Koh has written that Shari law can and should be used within the American Justice system in some cases. Koh also believes in Transnational Law.
This is not a trial of KSM this is trial to implement Transnational Law. Yea, I know tin foil hat thinking. Watch how this one plays out, every American will know the words Transnational Law before this trail is over, it is time to start doing a little home work.
Transnational Law also known as International criminal law is an autonomous branch of law which deals with international crimes and the courts and tribunals set up to adjudicate cases in which persons have incurred international criminal responsibility. It represents a significant departure from 'classical' international law which was mainly considered law created by states for the benefit of states, but tended to ignore the individual as a subject of the law.
A bullet SHOULD have been directly between the eyes of these animals just before capture. The military is so afraid of lib repercussions and PC that they simply were afraid to do the job they had been trained for. This is so fricking disgusting…
Do you have ANY IDEA the effect this trial will have on the morale of our troops currently serving in Iraq and the Af-Pak theatre ? ? Thes insane lib loonies need to be removed. This is part of their plan to demean the USA. The insanity of exposing the court, judge, jury, counsels etc is beyond comprehension. Who breeds these Muslim sympathizers ? I am gonna lose my mind !
i b sayin thanx tio yo all caus u been very very good to me. but, remembr that we b takin th world by the ass…and all i have to do is tell the truth…right? I b tellin that the man has been sendin us muny to takes care of our bills…and pay alz the onez that needz the munnney…..thnaks b to god for oBAMA
from now on ,no prisoners just kill them !
Sharika: What a phoney. I knew that because you can't spell the word money! Then I might have belived ya!
you have 247 posts over 5 weeks and i have 413 over 2 weeks.
i have a lot more people disagreeing with me and encouraging my reply. read my history.
oh, i see you already did, it says so right there in the top left.
wut.
if they didn't qualify for geneva conventions, why would they be placed in front of a military tribunal?
that is a logical contradiction, and i would very much like you to explain your reasoning.
Shut up Scott. Your attempts to defend Acorn and the filth that work there is deplorable.
These are corrupt Lazy, injury fakin losers who are unemployable in the private sector.
They're ugly too.
How can you defend an organization that is run by Biggy Rat and Itchy Brother?
Carefull,or I'll get that Columbia U professor to sucker punch you like he did that nice lady who wore glasses.
Do you wear glasses?
Filth
Man that guy is ugly, reminds me of Scott.
Friends this is just another ploy to get us all gin up.
Forget it and stay focused on no health care and no cap and hoax.
Christ, the way things are going, Kalid will be running for congress in two years, demo of course.
Filth.
Now that these idiots are going to come to New York, will the lawyers try to change the venue to a different city? They can reasonably argue that that this should be tried in a city that was not attacked by these Terrorists. I hope they move the trial to Chicago because that way Barry’s home town can experience the traffic, the Terrorists that the case will bring (hey everyone loves a good show and this will be the biggest show on earth) and who knows maybe Oprah can score an interview.
I can only imagine what Patton would say. I can only imagine what President Grant, Washington, Roosevelt (either of them) would have said that during their wars the enemy would be tried in Civil Court.
I am anxious for them introduction of their peers. There will be 12 Muslims on the jury, probably living in the US (unless we import some from Pakistan or Afghanistan, maybe we could get some kangaroo’s sent in from Australia).
I think that I am a pretty average person and my level of dissatisfaction has me buying a new gun every week know. I trust nothing that is being done, said or prepared buy these left wing loons. Just got a Cool FN 5.7 just like the terrorist in Texas at Fort Hood, tomorrow is going to be a good day at the range. Now to figure out how to get home before my wife wakes up, she would rather me work on our place a bit more. Folks we are approaching some hard times and I believe that in short order we are going to take care of ourselves. The have nots will want what the have have and will be willing to take. A real good time to be in the ocean and be well armed.
I will be spending a few months on the Cat and God willing sail over to the Med during the summer and hang out in the Med. Let the bad guys do what they will with us while I’m gone and pray that I am just being a smart bird that lays eggs.
This is a mistake in so many ways. But Barry thinks this is smart. So many dumb moves, I just hope we don’t get anyone killed.
Except for the drug lords everyone else you mentioned are American.Americans have rights under the Constitution no matter how vile.The drug lords were brought to this country because the countries they were captured in were to violent to be tried there.The leaders of those countries were onboard with bringing them here.
These terrorist thugs your obviously so enamored by are called non combatants because they're not part of any legitimite army and should only be tried by the military.In my opinion they should just kill them on the battlefield.Obama is in the process of starting an obscene nightmare which is not only a slap in the face to the victims families but this process by itself is going to bring Obama and his administration to ruin.
This trial is exactly what makes America the country that the world has learned to respect. Instead of simply killing our enemies, we are willing to take a (small) risk of their acquittal in order to show the whole world that WE (and not they) are on the right side of morality and justice.
God bless the USA!
Go Barry! You blithering egalitarian community organizing twit. Rudolf Gulliani was on Cavuto, and as a former prosecutor, and someone imminently familiar with KSM’s act of war, spelled out the danger of such a stunt, just wow! Very dangerous! We’ve already had one terrorist attack on Obozo’s watch!
Sorry, but I just don't understand why conservatives are so bent out of shape over binging this piece of sh!t onto our soil. I mean it's like some kind of sacriledge thing or something: please, that MthrF'r isn't goin' nowhere. If the case is strong, run him through the legal system and hopefully he'll rot in jail for the rest of his days (better than making of a "martyr" of him, I say). If it isn't, put him on a rock in the Pacific and he can swim to Afganastan from there.
The consistent and RUTHELESS application of the Rule of Law is the best thing that could come out of this case. The liberals are making every excuse they can cook up for Fort Hood shooter: fine, let's see how that plays out within an impartial system of justice.
And if you're going to say that our courts are corrupt or lenient, all the better. Use this case to illustrate that we've moved away from our concept of the Rule of Law in favor of some nebulous concept of social justice.
Yeah I used to work with someone like Scott. HATED America. On 9/11 while everyone was glued to the TV in horror, speechless, the idiot started ranting about how Bush's policies had failed the nation. Since we had class, nobody said anything but moved to another TV in another room.
He hated corporations, but had no problems stealing their money in the form of a paycheck. He pretended to work. A few months later, security escorted him out of our building – FIRED. Dude got another job somewhere else, same thing happened there after a few months, security walkout. He was one hateful arrogant idiot.
"non combatants because they're not part of any legitimite army and should only be tried by the military."
if they are non-combatants, and not part of a military, that is PRECISELY the case for a civilian trial! Your post makes absolutely no sense at all!!!
Again, if they did not receive Geneva Conventions, why on earth would they receive a military tribunal?
this is the contradiction that i invite you to explain.
They are enemy combatants. The Geneva Convention is designed to protect uniformed soldiers of a nation at war with another nation. It is designed to inject a civility in war (if that's possible) to keep it from becoming the brutally cruel and inhumane conflict devoid of respect for human rights that terrorists have made it. Non-uniformed enemy combatants under the Geneva Convention are treated as spies and subject to summary execution.
As soon as KSM's usefulness as an intelligence source was over, he should have had a military tribunal and immediately executed.
Wouldn't it be funny if KanHe Shake DaMomma got off on a technicality, then moved to France? I mean to tell you, that would just be The BOMB!
this is simply not true.
It has been clear to me for some time that our Government is at war with us.
You can debate that if you want, but you won't debate it me.
It's time that each and every one of us begin a serious dialogue within ourselves.
This can't continue.
What to do?
What possible reason could there be to hold this trial in NYC? Except to goad a reaction out of a bunch of rightly pissed off Americans. That would be fine chance to declare a state of emergency, would it not? Maybe a little martial law? Given the above comment about trans-national law, after the shit hits, a chance to turn the scum over to the UN?
Everything is on the table here.
The subhuman koranimal has already admitted to the crimes and has even asked to be executed [martyred in his mind]. These deranged swine committed an act of war and should be tried by a military tribunal. In civilian courts you have the possibility of having an OJ type circus, which is what our jugeared traitor for a president is hoping for. If the defense attorney plays any games he should be executed with KSM. This needs to be done Russian style: find him guilty, take him behind the courthouse and put a bullet in his head. Same with Hasan.
We can no longer place any faith or trust in this Administration.
By extension, we can no longer place any faith or trust in those who support it.
They're all liars and no one can believe one word they say or write.
Those who have commented extolling the virtues of our legal system etc. are really just tired, old American haters who want you to believe they are on your side.
They're not
That applies most especially to the filth who ended his post by writing "God bless the USA". What he really means is "I hate the USA"
Count on it.
Communists are liars. Simple as that.
Because they are terrorist and not soldiers of the 197 countries that ratified the Geneva convention. Also are not American citizens hence they are not entitled to the same rights we have. Besides they have already admitted to the crime and they want the death penalty. Of course instead of obliging them Eric Holder wants to endanger the lives of jurors with his circus. This farce without a doubt is going to come back to bite Obama on his skinny a$$ and rightfully so.
Scottyz – do you live in New York City? Were you there on 9/11? If the answer to either one of those questions is no, then shut up. If the answer to either one of those questions is no, then you cannot speak from experience. You cannot possibly understand the mindset of New Yorkers who lived through that day.
For millions of Americans the memories of 9/11 are fresh and easily tapped. It's like a fresh wound. One keeps scratching at it, because it itches. If you cannot find it in your heart to sympathize with the citizens of New York who will once again have to live in abject fear, fear of retaliation, then there is something really wrong with you.
I was nowhere near New York on 9/11, and yet every time I see an airplane flying low in the sky, I take note. My fellow citizens were brutally murdered on that fateful day, for no other reason except that they were Americans and infidels. The only other attack on US soil was December 7, 1941 – Pearl Harbor. And, at least on that day, the USA was involved in a declared war.
Please don't respond by telling me that the USA "deserved" 9/11. That would be the same as saying that a woman deserved to be beat just because. I am quite sick and tired of that old retort. And quite frankly, I refuse to debate that issue at this time.
The heart of the issue here is very simple – by trying these people in a United States civilian court, we are granting non-US citizens, US rights, and setting a VERY dangerous precedent.
I personally believe, if I can figure this out, without a legal degree, President Obama, who has a legal degree, certainly has. So, the question becomes, why would Obama authorize this action? (And, if you don't think it was Obama who made this decision, then do not bother replying to this post.) What, exactly, would he have to gain?
And, please don't give me platitudes about innocent until proven guilty. First of all it is "presumed" innocent until proven guilty. And, again, that is a right afforded to citizens of the USA. Keep in mind that although you are a citizen of the USA, that you do not carry your rights with you to foreign countries. When in a foreign country, you only have the rights afforded to you by that country. If you get into trouble in a foreign country, and can't make it to the US embassy before you are "detained", then, pretty much, you are screwed.
So in closing, I ask, what is the upside to trying these "enemy combatants", who by the way, have already admitted guilt and asked to be executed (presumably to gain their reward from Allah), as "civilian citizens"?
The Geneva Conventions apply in wars between two or more states. Article 5 of the GCIII states that the status of a detainee may be determined by a "competent tribunal."
"If civilians directly engage in hostilities, they are considered 'unlawful' or 'unprivileged' combatants or belligerents. They may be prosecuted under the domestic law of the detaining state for such action."
"the Military Commissions Act of 2006 codified the legal definition of this term and invested the U.S. President with broad discretion to determine whether a person may be designated an unlawful enemy combatant under United States law."
"The Geneva Conventions do not recognize any lawful status for combatants in conflicts not involving two or more nation states. A state in such a conflict is legally bound only to observe Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions and may ignore all the other Articles."
IOW, the U.S. is perfectly within its rights to declare terrorists enemy combatants, give them a military tribunal and execute the sentence. And them.
I just wonder what the pool is on when someone with a rifle is gonna spare the U.S. populace this useless, farcical masturbation session courtesy of Hol-Bama and off these sorry MF'rs?
How long before we get pushed so far that we decide to return to frontier justice?
Where's my bookie….
OK Sharika, we know you're really Cowboy Logic.
Does anybody else always see JOHN BELUSHI when they see a photo of this hairy freak??? Just wondering…
P.S. It is INSANE that these TERRORIST KILLERS are not being tried by OUR MILITARY!
I don't think the average person is buying a new gun every week. Maybe the average paranoid, delusional, conspiracy-obsessed right-winger. If you think that's the average person, you're probably a paranoid, delusional, conspiracy-obsessed right-winger.
arby – you seem to be missing the salient point – these POS's are NOT citizens of the USA, and therefore do not have any of the rights afforded USA citizens by our Constitution. They do not have the right to due process. They do not have the right to be represented by an attorney paid for by us, the taxpayer.
At the very best they are enemy combatants. They are not citizens of another country, wearing another country's uniform, fighting a declared war. They are terrorists. They planned the attack that killed 3000+ Americans who were mostly on their way to work.
Do you have any idea what could be subpoenaed by this trial? Do you know that the undercover CIA agents involved in this case could be forced to testify, and therefore blow their cover? Do you understand that the defense will make this a trial about US foreign policy. Do you realize that this trial will be live-broadcast all over the world? This trial will make the OJ trial look like Saturday afternoon TV.
Do you understand that all it takes is one juror to result in a hung jury? All the defense needs is one juror who may be sympathetic, one juror who cannot convict if the death penalty is on the table. I have served jury duty on criminal cases before, and I can attest to the fact that the jury selection process leaves a lot to be desired. Throw in the political correctness mindset, and this is a recipe for disaster.
One last point, I am not willing to pay for these terrorists to live on death row for 20 or 30 years while I pay for some attorney to fight the conviction. What about you?
Under the Geneva Conventions, soldiers who fight out of uniform or commit … murder prisoners or target and kill non combatants may be shot by firing squads.
you neglect to mention that they were only granted enemy combatant status by the US gov't in June 2008 as a result of court order, to comply with law.
so it is your position that you can refuse prisoners geneva conventions under captivity then switch things up at trial? you think that is justice? you think that is the American way?
really now?
They don't qualify for the protections provided under the geneva convention so giving them a tribunal is more than they should get. Under the Geneva Conventions, soldiers who fight out of uniform or commit … murder prisoners or target and kill non combatants may be shot by firing squads.
Personally, I love America.
Thanks.
This is absolutely the stupidest and most dangerous decision any president has ever made. It is so mind-boggling incompetent and/or malicious that, if one used Obama's lexicon it would be "incomprehensible". For thinking people, it is perfectly comprehensible – He's turning our Consitution into a suicide pact.
"This needs to be done Russian style"
—
Don't you mean "Communist style"?
Ahh- who is the Communist now…
this fat, hairy bastard probably couldn't even do the monkey bars those ***** jihadis do in their videos bragging about their fasco-islamist fantasies to kill all non muslims.
can't wait until they fry this scum bag.
"so it is your position that you can refuse prisoners geneva conventions under captivity then switch things up at trial at the convenience of the prosecutor?"
They never had status under the GC outside of Art. 3. They aren't soldiers of a nation, let alone one that signed the GC. The Military Commissions Act only formalized a process that was already recognized in the GC, that the victim nation has the right to deal with unlawful combatants under its own laws, not the articles of the GC.
You're pissin' in the wind here good buddy. Fact is, their legal status is not an issue in this matter, as demonstrated by the fact the Cole bomber, and others, are going to get the tribunal treatment. In like vein, KSM shouldn't be given rights and privileges under our Constitution reserved for U.S. citizens. This was an act of war and should be dealt with as such.
When Scottz writes, “Personally, I love America”, what he really means is “Personally, I hate America”
That’s a fact.
We can’t trust this administration to be truthful or deal with us in good faith. By extension, anyone who supports it can’t be trusted to be truthful or sincere.
It is a waste of time to try to argue or debate with them. These are people who are wholly owned and energized by pure hatred. Their dark religion is promoted through lies. For them, lying is a way of life, a career choice. The faster we come to accept that, the better off we’ll all be.
Anyone who supports our current Government can’t be trusted and must be ATL (Assumed To be Lying).
Scott Z.
You are mind-numbingly simplistic.
You ask overly simple questions like, ‘if they’re not covered by the Geneva Conventions then why would they be tried in a Military Tribunal?”
Have you followed all of the cases? Are you aware that Bush, in Nov. 2001, issued a Military Order: Detention, Treatment, and Trial of Certain Non-Citizens in the War Against Terrorism?
Do you know why prisoners are held at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba?
There have been several cases, several differing opinions. There’s a litany of laws, including ones decades old, all coming together to create complications and quite frankly, when someone asks ridiculously simplistic questions like you, they only show how ignorant they are.
Even Supreme Court rulings have been very close (5-4) so excuse people who don’t view such complicated issues as simply as you do.
Here is the softer side of Khalid Sheik Muhammed.
http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/004442….
Here is the softer side of Khalid Sheik Muhammed.
http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/004442….
The economy struggles, the deficit is exploding, the dollar's going down for the count, job reports keep getting worse every month, unemployment is reaching epic proportions, the MSM is finally (though half-heartedly) starting to question the veracity of stimulus claims, health care is going on life support, cap and trade is DOA, Iran is taking foreign policy down in flames and Afghanistan is giving them an Excedrin headache morphine won't moderate.
This trial is going to suck the air out of the entire news cycle like a black hole. It'll be 24/7 coverage as long as it's in progress. It's the ultimate distraction to get agendas implemented under the radar while everyone is glued to the trial.
Bread and circuses. Do I smell smoke?
so you think they had status under GC art 3?
which prohibits “outrages upon personal dignity” including “humiliating and degrading treatment”? among everything else we broke?
hm. sounds like we did not honor that.
you appear to be the one with his dick in the wind.
thanks for your intelligent and well reasoned response.
"Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
And, with that, I gratefully exit this sub-thread.
It was sarcasim dim wit !!!!! Did you not see that ? "Mom, meatloaf !!!"
Not quite, asshole.
In 1993 Islamo-terrorists bombed the WTC.
The ones who were put on trial, stupidly, as "criminals", not as "terrorists", opened up a can of worms that helped the second group to bring the towers down. HOW/WHY ? Because of the way our system works, not only were the blueprints made public, but so too were all manner of other pertinent info.
The Geneva Convention rules do NOT apply to enemy combatants.
Foreigners, who are not residents of this nation, do NOT deserve the same kind of civilian trials that we give our own citizens and residents. We didn't haul in the planner of Pearl Harbor and put him on trial in the states! Neither did we how show trials for the captured Nazi higher ups on this soil.
For those who believe that this is a good thing, I want to know WHY that is. The reasons I've seen posted and heard some pundits say are ridiculous and make no sense at all……………unless one factors in the unsaid reasons; they want to use this to indite President Bush, VEEP Cheney, the CIA, and anyone else they hate !
What people need to understand and what Obama and his ilk don't give a damn about are :
1) Anyone who serves on this jury will be in mortal danger, as will the judge, the prosecuting lawyer, those in the audience, and everyone in the building this trial takes place in.
2) NYC will again be in the cross-hairs.
3) The population of NYC and probably those in the tri-state area will again be plunged back to the horrible memories of 9/11. This is a direct slap in the face to anyone who lived through that day; especially those who were injured themselves and/or their family and friends.
4) What happens if this POS gets off? And that truly is a possibility, with Obama and his gang running things !
5) If he just gets a slap on the wrist sentence ( being imprisoned ), he will be a MARTYR. Filth WILL try to get him out, help him get messages out ( anyone else remember what went on with Lynn Stuart and the BLIND SHEIK ? ), and he can recruit other inmates for al Qaeda. Putting him in solitary confinement will be seen, by some, as "torture" !
Yes, CL, some of us actually own businesses and have to actually work to pay their paychecks. Luckily, my job allows me the ability to check in here now and again.. I can vouch for you, you type better than this posting.
Is Obama encouraging another 9-11?
That nonsense irritates me.
I don't ever come here and type anything, anonymously. Are those type people that bored, that they have to play those game? They don't have the guts to stand up like a man, and sign their name to a post.
Good, bad, or indifferent, I'll stand behind what I write, and let the chips fall where they may. I do not have much of a fan club here, but I am not here to win a fan club. I'm here to call a spade a spade.
Geneva Convention rules only apply to combatants in formal uniforms.
Who need fan clubs when there is truth? What we all have to answer to at the end of the day….
I just hope he comes to a prison near you.
He is not only encouraging it, he has just condoned it, and gave it his blessing.
Do you remember back when the Iraq War began, when Rumsfield announced the Bush Strategy was going to be one of "Shock and Awe"?
I know now what he was referring to………
Scotty's so concerned about KSM being psychologically tortured. Perhaps they should have done what was done to Daniel Pearl or any of the others who were beheaded? What do you call that? Or the fact that our own Navy Seals and other Special Forces members have all been waterboarded.
Look on the bright side, Scott. The life they saved by "torturing" this creep might have been yours. For what it's worth.
What the @%#$ is wrong with these people? @#%$$, if I don't have Tourette's by the time these idiots leave office I'll have no excuse for all the swearing I've since they got in office.
You know, trying to stay positive, I would hope this would lose NY for him in 2012. I can always hope.
Here we go with the spade thing again.
You would think that the little airforce 1 stunt would have done that.
You really think Barry cares what the morale of the troops are?
I say let KSM out free in mid-town Manhatan. And give him a FDNY escort. And what ever happens is God's will.
If we can't get justice, revenge will work just as well.
Unfortunately, wait til 2012.
My guess as to why Obama is putting these characters on trial is threefold. He wants to give stimulus money to trial lawyers, He wants to provide a forum from which to promote "my Muslim faith", and He wants to use it as a ruse from which he can prosecute Bush and Cheney. I predict a five year circus culminating in civil war in which Chris Matthews loses a leg.
Let’s see, I do have a spare nickel, and will bet that before the end of these trials we have another Terrorist Attack. This will (if made public) be tied to the trials of these idiots in Public Courts.
How much to you want to bet that this opens the door to a new attack?
We are upset about this because we are now doing something that has NEVER been done before. By bringing them to New York we are giving these people who killed 3,000 innocent people in an act of war. The one terrorist we did catch on US soil, spent 4 years to get convicted. This was the missing 911 terrorist. This is a Military matter and should have been tried under a Military Tribunal.
This is going to be a circus that will replace the OJ trial as the center of the news life. I think that it is a major mistake to bring these people to the US. It will only take one or two Terrorist to either try to free these guys or to take them to meet Alla together. Just another terrorist opportunity presented by our government, thanks Barry.
Um no. There is a lot more to the story, too much for a comment board.
A sample:
In the following months after 9/11 we had to listen to the idiot rant about how arrogant America was and how America hated its citizens. The idiot was projecting, and I would bet a whole lot of money you have said those very same things, over and over and over.
explaining it to my dog would be more worthwhile
How does transfering them into the USA indicate "we are on the right side of morality and justice"? 9/11 was a act of WAR, – aganist all Americans. The 'POLITICAL CORRECTIVENESS' esp. when it comes to the MUSLIM FAITH will make these trails a circus. This is just a political ploy during a election year inwhich I think the lib' Dem's, Repub's, will try too use the Bush years to promote thier agenda and expand thier base. Obama's support base is down too that and he needs too apease them at great cost. Plus, it serves as another deversion to get through his other agenda's of communism. Obama would prefer all of us to get high on Medical 'Mary' and pay no attention too his CRIMMINAL ADMINISTRATION. In otherwords, go choke on your tot and let the grown-ups deal with this.
We are being sold down the river without a paddle unless the people of this great country get off the duff and stand up for the rights our forefathers died for. People wanted change and boy are they getting it. What idiot really believes that those murderers will have one ounce of sorrow being brought back to the area where they killed so many innocent people. Guess one must need a law degree to believe in that. GOD BLESS AMERICA. WE NEED IT.
douche bag, i ask you what is wrong with fear mongering? You act like your observation that O'hara is fear mongering is so important, so the F#@% what, nobody makes a big deal out of the fact that your a dumb ass we just accept it
There is only one way to deal with the likes of Sheik Khlaid mo ham head and that is to toss his fat ass off the plane without a parachute from 30,000 ft without a parachute. Islam WILL understand that, that is how the KGB would have dealt with these scum. Holder is a lawyer-he knows if the prosecution withholds evidence the case will get tossed out. Prosecutors are REQUIRED by law to share evidence with the defense attorneys. Holder WANTS this to be turned into a circus. Rather than put SKM on trial, lets finish SKM and his cohorts and put Obama and his treasonous commie admin on trial instead.
Yep.
That puts you people into orbit, eh?
It is an idiom. It has nothing to do with the shade of Obama, or the complexion of his character.
Sorry foolish one-the only "trial" SKM deserves is a military tribunal which will end in his inglorius death. Personally , he doesnt even desrve that much. He deserves the same chance he gave the 9/11 victims or Wall St Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, which means none at all. This see no evil approach by you hate America leftists is insane. Please go live in a commie country. Id rather take someone from there in your place, they actually tend to appreciate freedom, not try to destroy it.
not so much a graceful exit as an obvious tail between the legs full on retreat, GAScott.
it's pretty obvious.
Only as long as someone sees to it his fat ass goes splat from the top of the tower.
"they have already admitted to the crime and they want the death penalty"
you have yet to explain why a military tribunal is proper, when the shoe bomber richard reid and the dirty bomber jose padilla, and the 1st muslim terroris to hit WTC in 1993, and the alfred b.murrah building bomber in KC all were tried in civilian court and are housed in normal prisons here in america.
you have yet to explain that. why on earth would military courts come into play here? They were not part of a standing military, as you have established.
You are incredably stupid. The rest of the world doesnt see this as respect-they see it as weakness. We are not talking a carjacker or an armed robber here. We are talking about mass mureders and an act of war, done under the guise of a so-called "religion". By your "logic", I guess we should put Pol Pot on trial after hes dead Huh?. You communists make no sense whatsoever. Your hatred of America knows no bounds, you consider a filthy POS and a non-citizen to boot to have "rights"? Tell me Twines, where are the rights of non-moslems in ANY moslem country? An eye for an eye, fool. Even if SKM had a trial and were freed , he would be dead with 10 minutes-some sensible American would wipe his digusting arse off the face of the earth. This isnt about whats good about America. This "trial" is an attempt to potray America as the "reason" Islam hates America.
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