More Guns, Less Crime
by John LottThe District of Columbia’s murder rate plummeted by an astounding 25 percent last year, much faster than for the US as a whole or for similarly sized cities. If you had asked Chicago’s Mayor Daley, that wasn’t supposed to happen. The Supreme Court’s 2008 decision to strike down DC’s handgun ban and gunlock requirements should have lead to a surge in murders, with Wild West shootouts. The Supreme Court might keep Daley’s predictions in mind today as they hear the oral arguments on Tuesday in the Chicago handgun ban case.

Everyone in DC now knows that murder rates rose after the handgun ban and fell after they were removed. Unfortunately, Chicago never learned that lesson. The forthcoming third edition of More Guns, Less Crime shows that in the 17 years after its ban on new handguns went into effect, there are only two years where Chicago’s murder rate was as low as it was in 1982. Chicago’s murder rate fell relative to other largest 50 largest cities prior to the ban and rose relative to them afterwards. For example, Chicago’s murder rate went from equalling the average for those other cities in 1982, to exceeding their average murder rate by 32 percent in 1992 and by 68 percent in 2002. There is no year after the ban that Chicago’s murder rate fared as well relative to other cities as it did in 1982.
Similar comparisons exist for the top ten largest cities, the US as a whole, or the counties that boarder Chicago. The accompanying figure shows how Chicago’s murder rates changed relative to the rates in the adjacent counties. In the five years before the ban, Chicago’s murder rate fell by 28 percent relative to those counties. (County level crime data only goes back to 1977.) in the five years after the ban, Chicago’s murder rate doubled relative to those other counties.
It shouldn’t be to surprising that Chicago’s murder rates rose after the ban. Every time gun bans have been tried murder rates have risen. In the United States, gun ban proponents have blamed this failure on easy access to guns in nearby states. But the experience in other countries, even island nations that have gone so far as banning handguns and where borders are easy to monitor, should give gun control supporters such as Mayor Daley and some of the members of the Supreme Court some pause. Whether one looks at Ireland, Jamaica or England and Wales the experience has been the same. Not only didn’t murder rates decline as promised, but the rates actually increased.
The results also confirmed recent research showing that gunlocks increase crime by making it more difficult for citizens to use guns to protect themselves from criminals. In DC’s case, the drop in violent crime is probably more attributable to eliminating the law that guns be locked and unloaded. Relatively few handguns were licensed to the rifles and shotguns that now could be stored loaded and unlocked.
There is a certain irony that so many Chicago politicians understand the protection that handguns provide. Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass wrote in 2008 that there are two types of people who are allowed to have handguns in Chicago: “The criminals. And the politicians.” Mayor Daley has round the clock armed bodyguards. Members of the city council get to become deputized police officers.
We all want to take guns away from criminals, but all too frequently gun control laws disarm law-abiding citizens not criminals. Police are extremely important in protecting citizens, indeed probably the single most important factor. But, as the police know all too well, they almost always arrive on the crime scene after the crime has been committed. If the government can’t protect its citizens, the last thing that it should do is make the crime situation even worse.






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"If the government can’t protect its citizens, the last thing that it should do is make the crime situation even worse."
Guns don't kill people, criminals do.
I wouldn't trust a government to protect me when the chips are down, when they can't even do simple math. How can a government that cannot balance the books on Social Security and Medicare, that can't even run a Post office or a railroad (Amtrack) be expected to protect it's citizens.
I'd be more comfortable with Barney Fife and his silver bullet…….
Heh, the black and white episodes with Don Knotts are some of the best TV has ever offered.
But yeah, I'd feel safe(r) knowing "Fearless Fife" has my back.
i love how the left always thinks utopia is just one more law, one more sign, one more warm fuzzy hug away from today. one of my hobbies is sitting outside banks, schools, post offices, etc. and watching thugs bent on violence walk up to the entrance, pause, read the "NO GUNS ALLOWED" sign on the door, shrug and walk away with a chastened, sheepish look on their faces. (sarc/off)
In the UK, there are no guns, and no gun crime.
No guns, no gun crime. How hard to understand is that?
Why would a criminal follow the law?
If the government can't or won't protect me, I'll do it myself…simple as that…
Guns don't kill people, Progressives do.
POLICE RESPONSE TIME 5-15 MINUTES……….
THE POLICE'S NEW MOTTO…………
"TO TAKE A REPORT AND SERVE"……….
PLAN ACCORDINGLY………..
I'm temped to write no sh_t sherlock here, but I would think most sensible people (and I realize that rules out millions) ought to know it gives punks pause if they have worry that granny might be packin. .
Well Limey, this aint Britain.
Handguns: When seconds count the police are just minutes away.
uh…better read this one….gun crimes up 35%
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/26408...
Excuse me, but the last time I checked you lived on a rather small island by comparison. You never had as much freedom as us and you were all too willing to give away what you had. Now kindly butt out of American affairs. (no offense)
Gun Control?
Where I come from, gun control is hitting what you aim at.
The first time, all the time.
P.S. Smile. You're on candid camera.
Have fun in your Police State Sanitarium.
So, which are you, Stupid or a stupid liar?
Only a dumb ass thinks crooks follow gun laws.
No guns, no crime. Hmmm, seems I remember someone going on a rampage there recently killing several with a gun. What buffoon doesn’t think that guns find there way into the criminals hands with trotting down to the local gun shop and having a background check done. They get them from some illegal gun runner who could care less how the popper is used. I will submit that just as the rate dropped in D.C. the same has been true everywhere that law abiding citizens have been able to purchase and carry fire arms. The removal of that basic right would bring the criminals into your home to rape, robe and murder with impunity. Read criminals as government as well if you wish.
Funny.
There are more security cameras in Britain than anywhere on the planet.
He appears just eaten up with a case of the dumb ass.
What is the first thing you feel when you shot an intruder?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gun-crime+uk/uk
I guess it's not the gun that's the problem-it's massive hemorrhaging due to acute lead poisoning.
Recoil.
Are you really dumb enough to actually think that criminals would turn in there guns? Do you think they get them legally now? Do you think I care what you think? Stay on your side of the pond and butt out!!!!
"Well, we're not just going to let you walk out of here like that." "Who's we sucker?" "Smith, Wesson, and me."
Um… You know, leaving aside the obvious that, uh, there ARE guns in Britain, and there IS gun violence in Britain, there are a couple of other issues that need to be addressed.
First, this is not Britain. We have what's referred to as a "right" to keep and bear arms. Some of us even take advantage of this right and purchase the aforementioned arms.
Second, there's this little thing that you may have heard of that is called the "black market". That's right, it's the place where leftist trolls used to buy their weed before some quack doctors decided it had medicinal properties. This is a place where illegal items are purchased – including guns. Now, since law-abiding citizens won't utilize this market, gun laws automatically deny gun ownership to everyone except the criminals willing to use the black market.
Third, guns in the hands of criminals staring around at defenseless citizens is a good recipe for disaster on a societal level. Typically, this results in criminal endeavors and dead citizens.
I hope I typed slow enough for you to understand.
Good day!
They're like laboratory rats stacked in cages.
And they never look for the root causes of their psychological trauma. They live by the creed you spoke of last week.. 'better living through pharmaceuticals'. For their sake, I hope the U.K. never has a shortage of Prozac.
Your ball struck my foot…
Lets not forget that the per capita murders in the UK due to knife stabbings greatly exceed the deaths per capita from gun violence here in the US – you might as well start lobbying for the outlawing of sharp objects now before it gets out of control!
…moron
"Hmmm, seems I remember someone going on a rampage there recently killing several with a gun"
got a link to that story?
I live here, and I don't remember anyone going on the rampage since Dunblane, about 25 years ago.
The UK police, on the other hand, are the only people with guns and are pretty good at shooting unarmed citizens and their colleagues.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8515712.stm
I like the way you think…
What a well researched plausible article. Mr. Lott, you have given all God fearing Americans "ammo" for thought. Kudos to you ,sir!
Signed,
Mary Rosh
Did you like that phrase?
I do. Better living through pharmaceuticals is my catchall phrase. It explains away a variety of ills.
You are well versed. Do you remember George Orwells 1984? Room 101?
Britain is Room 101.
Excuse me? My groin region is just fine, thank you.
Every Gun Laws is a Violation of our 2nd Amendment Rights! I can't believe people do not see this?!?
These statistics are true everywhere throughout the US: L.A., New York, DC: all strict gun laws and all have the highest gun crime rates in the US
LOL at a link to an article from 2003
To BritishPerson,
You may not have gun crime but you have roving bands of thugs with knives and clubs and you also have the hghest percentage of home invasions in your history! Your Parliment doesn't seem to care whether you're really safe or not! They pay lip service to safety and consider you peasent/subjects instead of free men and women! Rather discusting for a country that once was the beacon of free peoples!
Rolly
I wasn't sure if this was 'sincere' or sarcasm until I looked at your posts, I have to tell you, a -78 on a mere twenty eight posts…outstanding…outstanding indeed
Congratulations, I've never seen a troll with his head this far up their ass before.
i agree with that phrase
actually thats my job
the dispensing of said pharmaceuticals
legally
Why, thank you! Always happy to bring an opposing viewpoint to any forum in what's supposed to be a Democracy.
My apologies, not a rampage. That one was some years ago. Try this mendicant. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/24/couple-s...
Maybe this one will jog your memory. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/28/rhys-jon...
Or maybe this one. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/04/laptop-m...
I am sure I could go on. Maybe you have been sleeping or just fogged over by some loon state of ignorance.
he is passing a lie as well. In the UK, Australia, and New Zealand gun crime soared just after the bans were put in place. Bobbies are now armed, and they have submachine guns in their cars for backup.
So our 'limey' is either a liar, a fraud, or an ignoramus…
"No guns, no gun crime. How hard to understand is that?"
We're not dealing with a smart bunch here so I doubt they egt it.
We're talking about people who staged T.E.A. Taxed Enough Already protests after Obama cut taxes for 95% of us.
God these people are stupid.
Cowboy Logic
A bottle of booze to you, Cowboy!
Gun Control? Carry Permits?
I have a laminated card in my wallet that says:
"License To Possess And Carry A Firearm In The United States"
"The original certificate licensing me to possess and carry my gun(s) is safely guarded at our National Archives in Washington, DC for your inspection. To locate this document readily, ask the curator to see the Constitution Of The United States Of America. Then refer to and read Article II where it says: "The Right of the People to Keep (possess) and Bear (carry) Arms (guns) Shall Not Be Infringed." Please bring a dictionary with you so that you can look up the following words: Right, People, Keep, Bear, Arms and Infringed. This is actual proof that I do have a license to possess and carry my guns throughout these ENTIRE United States."
Now if you want to give a law enforcement officer a real bad day, get a card like that, and flip it out. They go insane and start stammering and stuttering, because that isn't in the rule book………..
indeed…the wife is a brit and she says the same thing!!!
Sorry… Couldn't help the Happy Gilmore reference – only because of the T-shirt the guy was wearing!
Hitting the medicinal weed hard are you? Why did 95% of Americans who have alread filed their taxes for 2009 realize a tax increase. You must be a dropout or a recent graduate of the public school system. Either way you missed basic math.
Obama cut no taxes, liar.
It's not a democracy, it's a republic, dunce.
Ooooh, the trolls are out in full force today! I guess lauding Obama's accomplishments didn't take you too long this morning? Oh, wait…
I LOVE this post! Unfortunately, I don't have the $$$ available to pay my lawyer if I tried that in someplace like Md… Would love to see someone try it! I'd donate to their defense.
would that be chronic or schwag pharmaceuticals?
Duh! Look at Kennesaw GA., just north of Atlanta, a city of almost six million. The Kennesaw city council some years ago passed a law that every home must have a handgun. Subsequently, it is one of the safest towns in America. All crime of every kind went south, criminals avoid Kennesaw.
Lookie here, the "people are stupid" Welfare Queen is back.
Show some respect to your benefactors!
We have NO right to police protection! Do not misunderstand that! We DO have the right to bear arms for our own self-defense!
Even IF a police officer arrived in 5min… ALOT can happen in those 5 min! Once there, who's to say the Police won't shoot YOU by mistake?
Don't misunderstand… I support the police. But, they're human like you and me… and, they can't be everywhere…
If there is a reasonable chance that anyone you meet on the streets is packing heat then criminals must think twice before perpetrating violent crime on citizens. Makes perfect sense, more guns equals more frightened criminals.
Not familiar with this.
What if someone can't afford a handgun? Will one be appointed to you?
Isn't making it mandatory similar to forcing EVERYONE to buy Healthcare insurance?
I'm PRO 2A, but not a fan of Kennesaw (if that's correct).
Jimmah Cahtuh commisioned Professor Gary Kleck(a known anti-gunner) to conduct the most exhaustive study(at the time) in order to "prove", once and for all, that guns lead straight to higher crime rates.Kleck was given unfettered access to ANY crime statistics to ANY governmental agency he wished(including the FBI, DOJ, etc.).
After studying all of the statistics, down to the county and local level, for years, Mr.Kleck came to a startling conclusion~Where gun ownership was HIGHER, crime rates were LOWER, with the lowest rates being in areas that allowed CONCEALED carry permits.Carter was infuriated and Kleck became a staunch advocate of gun ownership rights.
Some people, when confronted with Truth, are open-minded and fair enough to grasp said Truth and embrace it, modifying their beliefs, others, well…..not so much. ;^) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
I think Daley suffers from a Napoleon complex – he's a shrimp
All of the above.
And why would 'democracy' have anything to do with 'opposing viewpoint'?
But out-of-control knife crime. And broke-bottle crime. And cricket-bat crime. You're today six times more likely to be mugged in London than in New York.
I'm sure when some hoodie stabs you to death you can expire with the smug satisfaction that at least it wasn't a gun that killed you.
Imbecile.
And the gun ban went into effect, when?
I take it as both high praise that both replies to me have included name calling, the proven debate tactic of those who have no opposing argument.
"after Obama cut taxes for 95% of us."
He did NOT.
God, you people are liars.
Also… Good thing those guns are banned now that you have Muslim Terrorists running around blowing things up. Hey, wait! Maybe they should ban blowing things up! That will put a stop to those nasty Terrorists!
A word to the wise though.
I wouldn't reccomend doing this, unless you were dedicated, and serious, and were fully prepared to get handcuffed. I am dedicated, and have been handcuffed as a result of it.
I also wouldn't reccomend it unless you have a good lawyer on retainer.
So I guess that just proves figures don't lie, but the liars figure.
It's not name calling if it is accurately descriptive.
Like others of his amazingly coddled leftist worldview, he fails to understand the word "no" and it's cousin "not". They're merely jumbles of uninterpretable letters that give them a headache and are accordingly ignored.
You'll want to be armed when England becomes a politically correct Sharia Law-abiding wasteland in a couple of decades.
Have fun with this one. Yeah, it's from 2001, but it's still shows how bans do not do anything:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/1440764.stm
Remember – you can only call it name calling if it's not true. Therefore, you have no right to complain or feel superior.
Happy Trolling Day!
There have been several cases where police have been deemed not liable for any injury you suffer waiting for them to arrive. If memory serves these cases were both brought in the SF Bay Area city of Alameda, the island that rust forgot, where you can't carry concealed and subject to the rest of California's ridiculous gun laws.
California received the Brady bunch's highest grade; and it has the highest per-capita murder rate.
You beat me to it.
You want the truth, you can't handle the truth.
But you KNOW that's only because the nasty white elites don't let the minorities get ahead legally. They HAVE to resort to violence and crime to feed their families. It's YOUR fault, knucklehead!
Aren't you feeling guilty enough to vote libtard yet?
Want to read any facts from the book or the article? Sorry, here we go by facts and evidence not what makes up feel all warm and fuzzy inside like leftists.
Yes it was, and politicians still refused to acknowledge it.Professor Kleck was an anti-gunner, as I stated, and he was widely ostracized by "his own kind", for arriving at a truthful conclusion.Luckily for him, it more or less changed his outlook on gun ownership and also politics.Since his study I've read many articles written by Mr.Kleck(some even in gun magazines, oh my!) and he is a very honest man, even if he was, at one time, misinformed. ;^) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
oh goody, "a non-thinker' is back with his trademarked stinging rejoinder, "God these (or occasionally, 'you') people are stupid." as a parting shot.
in the immortal words of Chas Emerson Winchester: "Aaaaaaaggghhhhh! Once again I lay mortally wounded. Skewered by your rapier wit!"
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!
When it comes down to it, crime statistics are actually irrelevant. Think of it this way, people lie everyday, and much harm comes to many as a result, yet there is no using that reality to support banning exercise of the First Amendment.
Sure, it is great to look to the data for what it is worth. However, regardless of which way it comes down, that data is not germane to the question. The set of rights known as the Second Amendment, pre-exist the creation of government. Government, therefore, does not hold ownership over those rights, individuals do.
To be sure, there is room for proper legislation regarding firearms and this data is useful in that arena. This regulation must fall OUTSIDE the rights themselves. That is to say, what those rights are remain off limits, but what isn't a right is within that boundary.
It is my right to own firearms, that means I have a right to purchase them. I have a right to keep that purchase private. I have a right to a TWO party contract to purchase them. Not a THREE party or more contract with government in the middle of the buyer and the seller. Likewise, I own a right to carry those firearms I choose to. There is no proper legislation to be had here either. Open or concealed, it is my choice to make on my own volition. The same applies to uses that are rights. Defending against a burglar or one who attempts to assault me or mine, bang, done deal, and no punishment for me. The same could be said about taking game as a food supply. Punish of the exercise of rights is UNJUST.
Now, I have no right to hold up a 7-11 or a bowling alley. I have no right to shoot up my neighbor's house because i think his music is too loud or because of the colors he wears. I have no right to point a gun at you to make you sign a contract. I have no right to take my firearms on your property against your wishes.
Government must respect exercise of rights and remove code that runs afoul of this common sense – replacing them with legislative code that ONLY targets that which is outside the exercise of what are RIGHTS.
i can't remember the specific name(s) of the DC case, but the gist of the ruling was basically that the police only have a general obligation to ensure the safety of society at large, they have no specific obligation to protect any individual citizen. one of the all-time great moments in weasel-worded jurisprudence…
"An armed society is a polite society." Robt Heinlein
I love the commercial for the (home alarm) system, you know the one. The woman and her little girl are playing in their back yard. The mother says "it's time for lunch", so they go inside. Never do they see the grungy looking guy peeping at them through the fence. Mom and girl are in the kitchen, and the bad guy breaks in the front door. the alarm goes off, and he, the bad guy, runs away. The phone rings and the alarm company rep asks if there's anything wrong. The mom says 'someone tried to break in the front door", to which the alarm guy says he's sending help, right away. We've all seen the commercial. My question is, what idiot came up with it? That has to be the worst ad in the history of TV. Of course, by the time the cops could possibly get there, both mom and daughter would be in deep chit.
just sayin
gun control is not about guns, it's about control.
You missed on my friend. To BEAR means to Carry and to USE in certain circumstances.
Anti gunners really do hate the Heller decision. They will hat the McDonald decision even more.
If Britain banned blowing things up. Do you think the Terrorists that live there would stop blowing things up???
Smoking pot is banned. No pot means no pot smokers, right? Do you believe there's no pot smokers here?
Your logic is illogical.
Do that here in Illinois, carry a gun, and you go to JAIL.
Yea, it's TRUE, I live about 10 minutes from Kennesaw!
"There are two types of people allowed to have guns in Chicago, criminals and politicians…."
Aren't these people the same in Chicago !!!!
You are correct. The court rulling was worded to reflect the Police are not responsible… blah blah blah…
Kinda like this article about a Pa man dying after many calls to 911 and waiting over 30 hrs…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100228/ap_on_re_us/u...
It sounds like the paramedics may be punished tho. They may get into more trouble than the police. Does that mean that we have more of a right to paramedic response than we do to Police protection? So when the Police don't arrive in time and you're shot, you have a right to be picked up by a medic…??? Odd.
Well said! Rock ON!!!
There is one part of the CCW (carrying a concealed weapon) law I disagree with. It's the 'concealed' part. Bad guys would automatically be put on visual notice that calling 9-1-1 is the second option.
$1.4 TRILLION deficit financed with T Bills. Now just where do you think the money for the interest payments are going to come from?
BHO gives you $13/wk (taxable at that) when their deficit spending drives inflation and you thank them for it!!
And if you think no guns means no crime, you're clueless. Know what a Yob is? or a hoodie? Try reading the UK papers. Even rednecks like me know more about English crime than you do.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254584/B...
This sort of thing is sadly routine there.
I'm not going to cop-bash. They are not omnipresent, but not for lack of trying. And every cop (except the one female desk jockey who heads up the local fraud division) I've met has encouraged me to carry for my own protection, because they know their limitations.
If You Have any Doubt About the Results of Gun Control…
The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929.
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Turkey established gun control in 1911.
From 1915 to 1917, over 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938.
From 1939 to 1945, a total of over 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, over 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, about 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
More…
http://usataxpayer.org/?0079012351
Dr. Thomas Sowell on Intellectuals
http://usataxpayer.org/?0028068146
Anyone who doesn't understand the connection between private gun ownership and those who prey on the defenseless should come over to my house and knock on my window around 3am for a explanation.
In Australia, 12 months after gun owners were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:
- Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
- Homicides are up 3.2 percent.
- Armed robberies are up 44 percent.
- Homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.
The law-abiding citizens turned in their guns and the criminals did not, criminals still possess their guns!
Figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, criminals are now guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.
More…
http://usataxpayer.org/?0079012351
He cut my taxes. I lost my job in July and still haven't found one. I put the house up for sale in July and still don't have a buyer, when it does sell it will sell for about 125k less than it was worth in 2008. Of course, I have to pay a 10% penalty for taking MY money out of MY IRA to pay the mortgage, otherwise I'd been foreclosed by now.
I'm moving out west, from near Chicago, moving what cash I'll get for the house to silver, a used Xterra, and a two year emergency supply of food for my elderly father and me.
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