The Fascist Green Police Super Bowl Ad Is Stuck In My Head
by James G. LakelyAnd that’s the point, I guess. Watch this ad for a “clean diesel” car by Audi, and good luck getting this slightly modified version of the Cheap Trick classic “Dream Police” out of your head. I couldn’t get it out with a lobotomy. It’s been playing off and on in my brain since it first aired during the Super Bowl.
But beyond the diddy, I also can’t get the vision of a fascist “green” future out of my head — even if it’s portrayed with a heavy dollop of of “Reno: 911“-style cop-show parody. Good comedy has to have a grain of truth in it to work, and this spot has plenty. It’s not just a peek at a ridiculous future, but a look at our “be green or else” present. An overreaction? Tell that to the chief of America’s Green Police, San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom, who Tweeted:
“Ok .. That ‘green police’ Audi commercial hits home..”
And hits home hard. San Francisco, which proudly considers itself the greenest city in America, has mandated composting for all residents and businesses. Failure to comply results in an escalating scale of fines. No word on whether Newsom was proud or embarrassed to see his Green Police state in San Francisco reflected in an ad.
There’s no doubt the ad is funny, but one is left to wonder what Audi’s purpose was? I’m still a bit flummoxed. Did Audi intend to produce a screed against the Green Police as a way to appeal to those who are fed up with years of constant eco-scolding? One would think not, since the “punch line” is that if you own a clean-diesel Audi, you get to drive right through a green checkpoint. But the other 40 seconds of the one-minute spot dovetail nicely with the growing fatigue and skepticism the public feels about the “green” initiatives of government — especially in the wake of the ClimateGate scandals.
Or did Audi believe the public is in lock-step with the green agenda, and figured people would get a laugh out of a satire of paranoid, know-nothing skeptics, and actually want a car that keeps you on the “good side” of environmental policy. If so, it strikes me as a horrible miscalculation to assume the country is full of people who think like Al Gore and Barbara Boxer. The German carmaker, too, seems to be a bit confused about its own ad.
The Green Police are a humorous group of individuals that have joined forces in an effort to collectively help guide consumers to make the right decision when it comes to the environment. They’re not here to judge, merely to guide these decisions.
Ha ha ha! Just “guide” us, eh? By slamming a dude’s head into the checkout line for choosing plastic? Not here to judge? Tell that to the folks scrambling away from their too-hot hot tub. (I know. It’s only a commercial, and a funny one to boot. Still, to pretend there’s no judgment being made on people’s freedom to make decisions about how they may go about their ordinary lives is ridiculous.)
There’s been a good bit of commentary about this ad in the blogosphere. Ben Boychuk at Infinite Monkeys thought the ad was “cleverly written and produced (the anteater was a cute touch)… and utterly horrifying.”
Two bits in particular really bothered me: The part where the Green Police put some hapless homeowner in the back of a squad car as a news reporter explains the perp was caught using incandescent lights; and the Cops-like scene where the bewildered couple is rousted for setting their hot tub’s thermostat too high.
Ben notes how Audi explains there are “numerous real Green Police units globally that are furthering green practices and environmental issues.”
For example, Israel’s main arm of the Ministry of Environmental Protection in the area of enforcement and deterrence is called; you guess it, the Green Police. New York has officers within the state’s Department of Environmental Conservation that are fondly called the “Green Police”. The Green Police is also the popular name for Vietnam’s Environmental Police Department and the UK has a group who dresses in green as part of the Environment Agency’s squad to monitor excessive CO2 emissions.
Wait. What? A Western carmaker is holding up Communist Vietnam as a good example to follow? And we’re supposed to admire the fact that “free” countries like Israel and Great Britain send bureaucrats around to monitor the emissions of its citizens? I don’t care if they wear cute green outfits, that’s a bit creepy and fascist to me. Such agencies don’t merely “further green practices and environmental issues.” They enforce government-desired life practices through a knock on the door. Big difference.
But, I suppose the joke’s on me. Steve Hayward at No Left Turns sees this as a victory for those of us who’ve had enough of the enviro-scolds:
What’s more over than Mark Sanford’s marriage or John Edwards’ reputation? The environmental movement, that’s what. … Is [the ad] mocking environmentalism? Um. . . yeah. Your moral authority is pretty thin when a major advertiser finds it safe to take this approach. Think anyone would ever try something like this about the civil rights movement? Or the feminist movement?
Point taken. And it should be a source of comfort that those who believe in bossing us around in the name of “saving the planet” (which doesn’t need saved) are a little worried about the mixed messages in this ad. But I live in a state, California, which recently:
- proposed fining and jailing people for the crime of driving with under-inflated tires;
- considered a bill banning cars with black paint from being sold (because black cars trap more heat in the summer and require more use of the air conditioner to make the driver comfortable);
- banned wood-burning fireplaces in new home construction (and restricts it in “grandfathered-in” homes from time to time by bureaucratic fiat); and
- outlawed 25 percent of flat-screen TVs on the market because a panel of bureaucrats say they use too much power;
I could list more examples, including a bit from the Audi ad that is actually true: Incandescent light bulbs will be contraband in the United States starting in 2012. Sure looks like the Green Police are real to me. Happily, Audi has now armed those who would oppose the reordering of society through environmental mandates with a nice bit of video to splice into footage of Al Gore, Barbara Boxer, John Kerry, Henry Waxman, Barack Obama and others ordering us how to live our lives.
Get crackin’, YouTube fiends! A golden propaganda moment awaits.





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These thugs must be stopped!
The scary thing is that it is supposed to be a gross exaggeration,but once people get power, they want more of it, look at Iran's morality police, or the Morality Police in Saudi Arabia
A bit early to be declaring the end of environmentalism. As long as there are people who feel that they have a right to pollute, there will be push back. I don't see how this ad helps Audi.
I'm disgusted! I have to say i did not contribute to the Superbowl ads, I did not watch them. If we would stop giving them a venue they will stop. Amen, the planet does not need to be saved by the lesser man in the universe. Let God take care of it and man can go back to obeying the commandments, like keeping the Sabath day holy.
obvious troll…is concerned…
Will Audi become the next Subaru, embraced by the left? Not so sure … even my liberal neighbor was shocked by the commercial.
Soon people will be forced to fart into a test tube for a methane audit and be taxed accordingly.
I wonder if the Obama "Green Police" are out in DC telling people to turn down their thermostats?
Robin Zander rocks!
Green cops !!!! this is how there doing it in the State of Washington — check it out in your state and know how there going to do it to you .
http://www.ecy.wa.gov/climatechange/
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I've got two new endings to that commercial.
First, Dennis Leary in a '67 Camero busts through the checkpoint, a big gorgeous cheeseburger in one hand, a cigarette dangling from the corner of his mouth, and flips off the enviro-fascists as he laughs and barrels down the highway.
Second, the smug Audi driver gets a rocket launcher right into the side of his Nazi-approved vehicle. Charlie Sheen stands up from the hillside and yells: "Wolverines!"
Neither ending sells an Audi, but then again, neither did the original.
Funny how in that "Green Police" commercial they are only going after consumers, not producers…
First they came for the smokers . . .
I thought it was the best Superbowl ad.
Big brother out of control. It should be a wake up call to the fight against tyranny.
Looks like you're gonna have to start using rechargable batteries in your Obama d!ildo from now on…You poor thing.
Rick Nelson of Cheap Trick has also done work for Michael Moore.
What gets me is they've taken a pretty good song and ruined it — Cheap Trick sold out!
Maybe sophomoric comedy is the way to start ridding our society of this destructive Greening of America onslaught.
But I'm sorry, I must admit that I find it somewhat uneasy the legitimization of the Letterman / SNL / Ron Stewart, etc. having so much influence in shaping contemporary society.
I made a legitimate observation and all you've got is some ugly sex thing…. pretty sad.
the irony of a green police must be, we are supposed to be a free society, and should be able to make our own decisions for our own reasons. and while it is not a bad idea to conserve if you can, but sometimes conservation does not work. for example, a huge ford pickup truck does not get the fuel economy of a toyota prius, but a prius would have a hard time pulling a trailer full of feed for cattle, or moving horses around to another location (i think the horse would easier pull the prius, than the other way around). i travel in the local area alot, and for me to bring water bottles is better plan, than to try and remember to bring back a reusable bottle, since i may not go back to the same place twice, or it may get ruined by paint or oil. but a green police does not take my plans into consideration.
Don't you SEE???? By 1999 we will be out of fossil fuel!!!!! We we each have only one square foot of earth to stand on???? We will all be frozen from the next ice age!!!!! Oh. That last part may have come true.
also a green police assumes you don't pay more for bad decisions. take a hummer, the big ones. one of my busybody neighbors was complaining about another one. they purchased a hummer, and the busybody proclaimed they should pay a gas guzzler tax. i asked her how many miles to a gallon she thought the hummer was compared to her car. she told my car gets real good milage. i then asked her if she knew how much taxes were on gas, she didn't know. when i told her, she was amazed, then i put two and two together for her. if the hummer uses more gas, then they pay more taxes, don't they? then i asked her if it was her business what others choose to drive? then i realized, green zealots never consider other people's plans, or needs.
At first, when I saw this commercial, I thought, "Oh no. Here we go". But then I thought, "That was funny as heck". So, I watched it again and still found it "just a funny ad making fun of the Enviro-nutbags". I also think it is a funny way to say to folks, "This is where we are headed if you don't pull your heads out of your keesters".
The bottom line is that, in my opinion, the enviro-nutbags are a danger to our country. Don't get me wrong. We all should be good stewards to our environment. We should not, however, take the progressive route by shooting ourselves in the foot in the process.
This very country, and yes, the world, would be knocked halfway back into the stone age without Petroleum-based products. Plastics are in everything we use today and have been the key reasons for positive progress in just about every area – even some of the parts in those fancy windmills the current administration wants all of us to put up in our back yards. From more affordable homes, cars and everyday products, to drug delivery systems… Oh, yes, and to the plastic bottles used to deliver clean water to places struck by catastrophe, such as Haiti.
If this administration wanted to be constructively proactive where environmental issues are concerned, instead of dolling out billions for new windmills, they should divert that money to improving reclaiming and reprocessing of recycled plastics. As someone who has worked in the plastics industry for 17 years, I can tell you that recycling technology is NOT efficient. There are only so many park benches and polymer boards you can make with recycled HDPE milk jugs and PET liter soft drink bottles. Put more funding into figuring out how to use more regrind resin in different products, so that less virgin resins will need to be used.
Too bad Audi isn't worthy of such a fine commercial…
Instilling a guilt trip in our children is the goal of this whole green movement (love the word movement for this). It's all a buncha hoooey. Why is it that Liberals are more concerned with a can tossed into a land fill that has a 200 year lifespan to break down but doesn't give a rip about the debt that will not break down and keeps growing for probably the same time span?
I think we all know the answer to that…
DTOM!
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We can flap our jaws all day but Obama has created a new climate change agency by fiat the day after the ad aired.
Guess I better start stockpiling incandescent light bulbs, because I HATE the fluorescent ones! The Audi commercial really bothered me, because I already know liberals who have appointed themselves the "Green Police" and who truly believe that we SHOULD have a sort of police force out there to force people to make "environmentally sound" choices. They look at this ad and see the future and applaud. I look at this ad, see the future and am appalled.
Bulletin: The EPA has just banned all 'pull my finger' jokes.
The legitimacy of your observation is to be judged by the eye of the beholder. And besides, you're not worth a intelligible response. I'm just playing your game pal…Did I strike a nerve? Thanks for playing…
Just looks like standard "Law Enforcement" to me. What are you worried about? I've been saying the stench is overwhelming for years. But a whole lotta people still keep going for that fresh-brewed "Law Enforcement" tea.
If there is a will, there is always a way.
If "smart meters" are the rule of the day, I suspect we will see some "smart inventors" rigging a fan blowing over a tub of ice toward the thermostat to fake out the real temperature. Necessity is the mother of invention!
Meh. Not funny. More insulting. And goes even further to my desire to get a gas guzzling SUV or pick-up when I graduate. Then I too wouldn't have to worry about eco-roadblocks as I would just drive off the road. My way's more fun.
Mickey,….did not the first cave man who started the first fire start to "pollute"
"Push back" like "pollute", are the things the evolution of man is made of .
As far as all the grief you get every time you post,…
You did kinda bring it upon yourself, don't ya think?
Fascinating: It seems that inadvertently, Audi has done damage to the Green Movement that it purports to support. The ad itself (minus the Audi car piece) is actually brilliant.
i was almost on that frame of mind. i was wondering since methane is a real greenhouse gas, are they going to make people with gastrointestinal issues wear personal methane destruction units? so everytime there is a release, it is ignited so the methane never gets into the atmoshere. then we can tell all the pull my finger jokes, and not worry about poor children suffering from global warming.
Bingo! I looked at my wife during the Super Bowl when this commercial came on, and we both cringed at the same time. It smacks of "Big Brotherism" big time, so it does portray a the possibility of a scarey future. I guess I'm going to have to diaper my Collies when I take them for a walk now. God forbid one of them should pass gas….unless I can harness it to heat my home…..HEY……!!!!!
Lots of liberals were…their deepest desires were exposed…if we know about them, we can stop them.
The same Obama who keeps the Oval Office hot enough to grow orchids?
Yeah, I'm not sure how Steve Martin could have gotten an incandescent bulb after Congress outlawed them already.
"Second, the smug Audi driver gets a rocket launcher right into the side of his Nazi-approved vehicle. Charlie Sheen stands up from the hillside and yells: "Wolverines!" "
Awesome.
Could we add in a shot of those green police segways laying on the side of the road, smoldering, with "Wolverines" spray-painted on the side?
Almost all environmental laws have the end purpose of further future laws. More and more laws until you have a Totalitarian Government. Kind of like Obama and Pelosi want to bring on America.
The commercial was funny and it does show how Liberals don't know when to quit on these types of things. Figures don't lie but liars do figure, (see Al Whore). There will always be the Global Warming scams to tax America, the problem is our own President is complicit in the scam
Products? That sounds…capitalist. *mock horror*
More right than you know the original Nazi green police were the Ordnungspolizei (Order Police in English) that wore green uniforms and was a under the command of the SS. Count on a German company to bring this back up.
You hit the nail on the head.
I saw this ad just once the day after the Super Bowl. It was funny, but more scary since there really are folks out here determined to do all that and worse…basically an open-ended push to control anything and everything they don't like.
Nanny Newsom is just a bit player pushed to the forefront by rabid backers who live, and interfere among us.
Oh my! You are right! Sorry! I should have referred to them as "items used every day, by everyone, including hypocrit democrats". Mea Culpa.
Interesting that they mention Vietnam's environmental police. In fact, Vietnam is probably one of the least environmentally engaged nations in the region, and the government sponsored bauxite mines are causing serious damage to the region they are located. I'm just back from 2 weeks there, and found it to be less involved in "green" than the United States.
VW/Audi ads usually attemp to poke fun at the obvious, going back to the 90's. This one is the funniest in years though. They need to appeal to buyers on both sides of the issue.
Great ad. Audi buys a spot, and gets tons of free publicity. Brilliant. The other ad I liked was 50-yr-old Brett Favre pondering retirement!
Well, we have you on record now and it's just a matter of time before you reveal yourself again. Only time will tell if you are truly a pervert, or just an angry blogger looking to lash out at someone you have a political disagreement with… Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I suspect the later.
I can feel it coming…
AAAHHH… Too late! I have been doing my part to warm my frozen world by eating lots and lots of broccoli, onions, garlic (good for the heart). If I wasn't allergic to barley, I would be drinking more beer, too.
Who's we? You got an Obama in your pocket?
Hope you put fresh batteries in it…!
Git er dun!
That had better be an environmentally acceptable, reusable diaper! LOL
You know mika, you may be one of the most miserable creatures I have ever encountered. "people who feel that they have a right to pollute"??? You poor, poor tortured soul. Never a positive point of view. Never a celebration of life. Only negativity and venom. So I dedicate this quote to you, our own little "Double, double toil and trouble" troll:
1 WITCH. Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
2 WITCH. Thrice and once, the hedge-pig whin'd.
3 WITCH. Harpier cries:—'tis time! 'tis time!
1 WITCH. Round about the caldron go;
In the poison'd entrails throw.—
Toad, that under cold stone,
Days and nights has thirty-one;
Swelter'd venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i' the charmed pot!
ALL. Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
2 WITCH. Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the caldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,—
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
ALL. Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
3 WITCH. Scale of dragon; tooth of wolf;
Witches' mummy; maw and gulf
Of the ravin'd salt-sea shark;
Root of hemlock digg'd i the dark;
Liver of blaspheming Jew;
Gall of goat, and slips of yew
Sliver'd in the moon's eclipse;
Nose of Turk, and Tartar's lips;
Finger of birth-strangled babe
Ditch-deliver'd by a drab,—
Make the gruel thick and slab:
Add thereto a tiger's chaudron,
For the ingrediants of our caldron.
ALL. Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
2 WITCH. Cool it with a baboon's blood,
Then the charm is firm and good.
"Instilling a guilt trip in our children is the goal of this whole green movement."
So true. We can all have a good laugh at the Green Police in the Audi Spot, but the way the green movement targets kids is despicable. I have a friend whose 12 year old daughter nearly broke down in tears in the grocery store aisle because Mom was buying water in plastic bottles. I've been told by a 6 year old to never let the water run while I'm brushing my teeth because "we have to share water with lots of the earth's creatures." Then her 5 year old friend told me that she hopes that there are still polar bears on earth when she grows up, because right now "they're being killed by global warming."
At this rate, it will be our kids riding those segways, wearing those green uniforms and turning us in for using 60 watt incandescent light bulbs.
Same way with Thailand. Hope you were better able to recover your respiratory health than I was while in Bangkok.
sorry, but why does the government need to do this. if you think there is a better way, or better uses, that is what capitalism does. you figure this out, go get some venture capital, and become the next billionaire. why must you assume the government has the ideas. reagan used to say if government is the answer, it must be a dumb question. just like the sham on stem cells. if stem cells were so big, why must the government figure it out, when the private sector has more proven abilities in innovation. trains, cars, and airplanes were not invented by the government, niether was the ipod, or the pet rock. but the idea for the pet rock might have come from the movement of government workers, just sitting there like rocks.
When in northeastern China last year I saw dozens of Audi's in a week's time. All were black. They have a plant there. It's an A5 with a different badge.
Audi goes where the business is.
The ads do talk out of both ends, though.
There’s no doubt the ad is funny, but one is left to wonder what Audi’s purpose was?
Audi's purpose was to get people to remember the ad. It seems that they've succeeded very successfully.
Audi ran a perfect 10 with this add. If I understand advertising, the idea is to keep people talking and thinking about the product. With all the commentary about this ad and Audi's vague response, they have received the equivalent of millions of dollars in free advertising.
That doesn't make the add any less disturbing, just very sucessful..
The "green police" should focus on Chicago's southside where Obama was the community organizer and other ghettos in those Lib states like Michigan. The commercial wanted to make a point that if you buy an Audi, you are helping to protect the environment but it I didn't even see the Audi because I was too engrossed in the reality of a POLICE STATE coming to your local neighborhood.
Audi missed the mark for sales, but sure brought home the Fascist point and will help us come November.
Mikatollah (interesting handle),
Using an ordinary light bulb instead of those awful CFBs is not "polluting" in the sense warranting a take over of our lives. Neither is having a hot tub at 105 degrees. Or driving my Honda CRV, which is already "California standards" compliant.
The air and water is cleaner in America than it has been in decades. When is enough enough?
Anyone else notice that all the perps are white?
Not only that, MacDaddy. They also contain mercury, and cannot simply be thrown away — and you have to call a haz-mat team if they break on your kitchen floor.
Don't worry, though. They're "green." And they're good for us. So we'll be forced to use them.
Hey, lighten up everyone! This is a chance to laugh at wackos. I notice all the analysis about this and the other Super Bowl ads is deadly serious. Have we lost our sense of (wicked) humor, or what? By the way, isn't that an aardvark sniffing the truck for environmental sins?
In Texas, storming your home because the green Nazis found a battery in you refuse would be met with a hail of gunfire. Jes' sayin'
First, we had the thought police. Now we have the green police. I see this as another weapon to use against political correctness run rampant.
I love this commercial. It emphasizes plainly and simply America's love of powerful automobiles and the open road, while belittling the nanny state and rejecting it's sissy, insipid solutions. The CEO of AUDI USA was recently quoted as saying that anyone who buys a "Chevy Volt" is an idiot and I suppose he would include a lot of the intelligentsia who buy their Prius to impress people. Besides, I drive an Audi A3 and regularly make the Autobahn run from Berlin to Munich in about four hours. And I wave at Ingolstadt every time I pass by going 200KMH.
Occasionally I'll find someone that wants to have a real conversation. As for the verbal abuse, everyone who debates the right has to put up with it. If it were going to intimidate me I would have left long ago. It amuses me when it is really creative.
But, does it make you want to BUY their product?
I've used that name since the mid 90s when I got my first AOL e-mail account and was looking for a name that didn't include numbers. It has just kind of stuck.
The key to reducing atmospheric CO2 is going to involve getting away from burning fossil fuels in our vehicles and for power production. The technology exists, we just need to find the will.
Best post of the day john… thanks.
We… you know, this blog. By the way, you know that the things you type today never go away… never. In fact, I suspect that 72 years from now this will all be entered into the public domain and made available for researchers who may have an interest in what kind of people we were… you know, grand kids and great grand kids.
I try and keep that in mind when I post.
The idea of "green police" is repulsive but as a conservative ANY technology that can reduce or LIBERATE me and my family from BIG ENERGY is welcome in my book.
Not because I buy into the AGW crap but because I buy into the idea of Independence and for me that includes INDEPENDENCE from BIG ENERGY. So bring on the wind, solar and anything else "creative" that will end the energy monopoly.
Unless I am wrong here Independence should include independence from centralized PRIVATE power as well as a centralized Federal power.
He's a rocket man …
Wait a minute… you are disgusted by ads you didn't watch?
Superbowl ads have become an American tradition. You are missing out.
So what…We don't need to go 72 years into the future to surmise you're nothing but a bitter troll…Do we?
You never offer anything constructive to any discussion, so please spare me the semantical post judgment of my words.
His master is Commissar Soros!
Maybe we should just outlaw volcanoes while we're at it eh? Tool…
Don't let ideology get in the way of doing the right thing. As a Native American you know in your heart that we are not being good stewards of the future when we pollute. We have the technology to get away from burning fossils, we just need to find the will.
I had a friend who used to call his fantasy baseball team the Dixie Hezbollah, and changed it after 911. No judgment here. Just an interesting name. Certainly memorable.
As for your CO2 point and the fact that the technology exists, we'll just have to disagree. Switching to carbon-free (or even carbon-friendly) technology on the scale and speed that the greens want to do is simply impossible without massive damage to our economy and productivity. No matter the "will." And who's "we"? China and India are not going to walk this plank, making a 100 percent "green" economy in the United States all-but irrelevant to global emissions.
you DO realize that vehicles produced today (the avg vehicle, not a 'green one') are extremely green, in and of themselves. A single car produced in 1960 produces the same greenhouse gasses as 1000 avg cars today. More greenhouse gasses are produced by naturally occuring events around the wold like volcanoes than are produced by cars in the USA. Where does it stop? CO2 is not a pollutant. You and I both exhale it, and plantlife, trees, and alot of marine life require it for their very survival, converting it to oxygen for our very survival. It's one thing to voluntarily make an improvement, but being forced to convert our energy production under force of law is inherently Un-American, and based on our Constitutional rights, is ILLEGAL.
Volcanoes produce less than one percent of the CO2 that humans add by burning fossil fuels.
http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2007/07_02_15...
Good observation there Billy.
Political ideology certainly got in the way of the peace movement of the 60's.
I was on my to Canada but than I saw someone burn our flag.
Being anti war I suppose, was a good thing, but being anti American well now that's not what I had in mind
Went to Ft. Knox instead.
Ooop, sorry folks got off the subject there a tad.
Good observation there Billy.
Political ideology certainly got in the way of the peace movement of the 60's.
I was on my to Canada but than I saw someone burn our flag.
Being anti war I suppose, was a good thing, but being anti American well now that's not what I had in mind
Went to Ft. Knox instead.
Ooop, sorry folks got off the subject there a tad.
Amen wldbil! My dream has always been to build a green home…but the left has tainted my dream and possibly made it impossible to do so. I will still build that house if we have enough money left after this crook in the WH is gone.
I sold subarus, and also own one (10 yrs so far) and yes, there are alot of lefties that own them. But, you also have the STI's and WRX's that when tuned for more performance, get all of 10-15MPG. The lefties who buy subaru coveniently ignore that fact.
I believe the real debate is in who defines damage to the environment, or what damage is.
Right now there are no honest brokers just agendas.
Not surprisingly you fail to mention science.
By the way as you will recall in past blogs i predicted the severity of this winter, the animals told me…
So much for your ridicules global warming the temperatures have been coolling for the past eleven years. Do the research Mik you look foolish.
But he's special! He's running the universe! ~
hell, we used to have reusable diapers. they were called cotton diapers. Once all the hippies started popping out babies, they cried for disposable ones. Now those same people complain about the environment. what rubbish.
LED's. They use even less power than CFLs and no mercury. Unfortunately, they are not quite ready for prime time. They are still not real bright and they are expensive and hard to find. I have one in a reading light over my bed and I am trying 4 in a ceiling fan fixture. As soon as they get the price down and the brightness up, CFL's will be dinosaurs.
That is a good point and a valid political debate. The problem we have is wading through all the misinformation and deciding what actions are we going to take.
The science tells us it is real, it's caused by humans and can only be reversed by finding alternative sources of energy.
It won't happen overnight, and the technology will grow when it become economically and politically feasible. Look at the example of WWII. When we have to, we can stuff a lot of development into a short period of time.
Man created CO2 is a few percentage points of what evaporates from the oceans and other natural phenomena Mik.
Sorry – I'm not filling my light sockets with glass coils of mercury poison. They do absolutely nothing to lower the electric bill, they are less efficient, they do not last 'years' and often shatter within months, they give off a dull urine colored light, and give people migraines. They're worse than florescent light and halogen bulbs combined – AND – contain deadly mercury. Start stocking up on Edison's masterpiece my friends. Resist.
Because our lovely (not) green Governor Chris! I think its time we recall her. I read and article last night and found out that Washington state is one of the states that can do this. I say we recall her when the she increases our taxes…..
Thanks for the info Deb. I will forward it to my husband as he interfaces with DOE and other agencies in the state often in the construction of windfarms. The Eco Nazi's can be really ugly here even when there is an effort to go over and above state requirements.
"even liberals are shocked", that's because they are so stupid and have NO idea the repercussions of their policies will allow. They say it's an exaggeration but look at Europe, it's been close to this madness for years. My friend lived in Holland where they drove around looking w/binoculurs onto your home windows to see if you had a second TV that you weren't paying extra taxes for! It is coming!!
The science falls in the dishonest part
Check your volcano facts first: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2007/07_02_15...
Cars are indeed much more efficient than they were 50 years ago. There are also lots more of them. We have the potential to produce cars that don't burn any fossil fuels and that is the direction we should take for our future.
CO2 is not toxic in the concentrations which exist in our atmosphere. But it is, by definition a pollutant. Even the right wing supreme court agreed that the EPA has the right to regulate CO2 emissions.
I could ask you to please not drive your car over the posted limit, but it is much more effective when I throw in a $200 ticket and higher insurance premiums.
As a builder I say green homes are for suckers.
It's all the same stuff with green labels, and tax rebates.
If you build with energy savings in mind you will have a GREEN home and
that hasn't changed in many years probably the 70's.
"… find the will"…….???
Why in Heaven do we want to get away from utilizing fossil fuels.
Just because some of us have decided to be nice to you there Mickey,…
please do not misconstrue this as our acceptance of some foolish notion on your part.
The future,
I for one feel more comfortable relying on a healthy economy to bring about the will of the people.
and that, I'm afraid, is going to require putting another lump of coal in the fire.
I'm not sure the lefties are buying the rice rockets. There are a lot of wagons with hopenchange stickers on them though.
See, that's the thing. We don't HAVE to do this. Not at the pace government demands. When market forces make it financially viable to CHOOSE greener alternatives, people will choose them.
There's a reason why oil and gas is cheap. It's plentiful, and will remain plentiful for decades and decades more. The bottom line is that you're advocating making people poorer — not just in the US, but in other countries where poverty is great — based on rigged data and bogus conclusions driven by politics, not science.
Bill, it is tempting to feel the weather change and discount the threat of warming. The unpredictable nature of weather is not going to change. But weather is a regional phenomena that moves around. Global temps are measured at thousands of data collection sites both on land and in the oceans. It is the cumulative affect of all that weather over time that produces global temps…. and they tell us the planet is warming.
I also found this ad very disturbing… no one in the family found it funny, it was more frightening than the commercial for "The Woflman", because it was too close to reality. If those green police come after me, they better be heavily armed.
I know that much of the green building stuff is junk. More than anything we would like an underground cooled heat pump, southern exposure and some kind of back up system for electricity. We are also looking at a company called Auscrete Homes, they manufacture off site with a light weight concrete. I would like your opinion as a builder of this style. Another reason we like this company is they will work our building plans. I want an Eichler style home which is not practical in the pacific northwest with traditional stick building because of the pitch of the roof. Concrete would handle the rain with the pitch of the roof and also address some of the issues Eichler had as his homes aged.
http://www.auscretehomes.com/index.html
http://www.eichlersocal.com/
Ocean temp data lags at least decades if not centuries behind atmospheric temps not sure, 'science' hasn't determined that yet..
You are dead wrong about the atmospheric temps warming, facts are facts.
Anything else is pagan BS…
Having the potential to produce cars that don't burn fossil fuels is fine, but my point is, having the gov't FORCE us to buy them is a different thing entirely. Manufacturers were forced to produce a certain % of their vehicles to be green by the gov't, or else they pay dearly for it. Do you see no problem with the fact that our Gov't FORCING anybody to do anything in the free-market economy is downright dangerous?
Don't tell me that! I love Cheap Trick!
AGW doesn't give us the luxury of waiting until your mood changes. Just like our landfills are filling up and need to be dealt with, our atmosphere requires us to make changes in our lifestyle.
We heard the same complaints when we wanted to take lead out of gasoline or clean up our rivers and streams… and always from the right. None of the terrible things ever happen that you predict, and we are all better off not having to breath in lead and drink contaminated water.
This morning I saw a SWAT team dressed in green armed with whistles and pepper spray surround a house where a man barricaded himself inside refusing to let the green eunuchs arrest him for cooking with trans-fats.
"Global temps are measured at thousands of data collection sites both on land and in the oceans. It is the cumulative affect of all that weather over time that produces global temps…. and they tell us the planet is warming."
Actually, temperatures have been dropping since 1998, one of the many facts the East Anglia climate "scientists" were at a loss to explain…but never mind that now.
You are correct on one thing; climate conditions are not static. 12,000 years ago, the spot where I am sitting now was covered by a sheet of ice a mile thick. Then that ice melted.
When you can explain how the climate warmed that dramatically on its own, since the GOP in particular and modern industry in general had not yet been invented and hence could not be blamed for global warming, I may take your charges that we are somehow making the climate warmer seriously. Until then, there is no reason to believe the "global warming" scare is anything else than an excuse to curb individual freedom.
We are pleased to announce starting March 1, 2010 we will be banning the use of toilet paper. From now on you will need to use leaves. The leaves may only be ones that have naturally been shed. Anyone found pulling a leaf from a tree will be sent to a reeducation camp where they will spend their days picking soy beans and writing haiku's.
The "government" is us… We are going to have to make choices as a society if we want our society to survive. We need to marshal the forces of our free market economy to make it work for our survival.
We give up little pieces of our liberty in order to live in a free society. After 911 none of us liked the additional scrutiny we got at airports and other public places, but we accepted it out of a need for public safety. This is exactly the same problem.
One thing the commercial didn't achieve.
After seeing it, I don't want to buy an Audi.
Auscrete looks interesting. What about R values? or insulation?
Have you looked at insulated concrete or ICF's.
Definitely the kind of thing I'm into.
Bomb proof and easy to heat.
You're on the right track.
I always say a bad insulation job will cost you everyday, forever.
We don't want you in one of our cars. Our vehicles are for real men and women, not latte-sipping androgynous humanities professors.
I bought 3 florescent bulbs.. 2 caught fire.. when i turned them on.. after a couple of months.. the 3rd lasted all of 6 more weeks.. at that time i could have bought 20 packs of regular bulbs for the money I spent. I wonder what the anteater is hitting on when he sniffs the 18 wheeler? anyone know.. I'm sure it was researched and they probably really do have anteaters checking for something in real life.
You fail to understand. They ALREADY ARE.
really, though, you do a disservice to history and the horrifying difference to what we're experiencing and the brute force and military overthrow of Europe in the 30's and 40's. We are largely untouched except in small ways and a lot of this stuff is way in the margins. It's coming, no doubt, but it's not the same.
sorry to be a realist or a downer, but for clarity of what really happened in Germany and Europe, we must keep it clear, as not to get too depressed… In Iran, the protesters are fighting and dying for real. There is a real government crackdown on dissent. Not here really. Keep it in perspective and be ready.
We've still got great opportunities to turn back this progressive tide and smash it on the rocks ( to bits) this fall and thoroughly in 2012. We ARE living in historic times. I'll give you that… just not quite 1939…. just sayin,,
The scariest part is that the greenies think this justifies them and that they do have the moral authority to tell us how we should live.
That does it Im buying a scrap tire dump so I can burn it! When the green police come………Im taking all them bastards out with the tires! SCREW THE ENVIRONMENT.
When you can explain how the the Vvikings 'settled' Greenland, grew crops, raised livestock and prospered long before the dreaded GOP or the Bilderbergs even existed I may take your charges that global warming is not just a hoax perpetrated the world by a bunch of Godless ruling elites trying to create a one government world order.
When I was looking on their website I didn't see a number for R value, just a claim that it cuts down on heating costs, next time I talk with them it will be on my list though. My husband and I are only in the stage of looking and discussing different methods and this is the one that stands out to us. We also like the sip building systems, but not sure it will work with they style of home we want. I will be looking into insulated concrete and ICF's, thanks for the suggestions.
Glad to see you didn't pan it. I have a son in law that is in the building trade and he talks down the green products for finishing materials. That is usually what drives the cost of green building through the proverbial roof. I am not interested in anything green for the sake of saving the planet. Just r value, efficiency, and lasting forever. Thanks for your input!
Both websites are really interesting. I have seen homes of the Eichler style before – just didn't know what I was looking at.
All of the top ten warmest years have occurred since 1997. The warmest being recorded in 2005. This decade that ended in 2009 was the warmest in recorded history.
No one on either side of the debate has ever suggested that climate conditions are static. Most of us have accepted that the climate is warming, and we debate about what is causing it and what can be done about it.
The science tells us that man is causing it and we do it by burning fossil fuels. Deniers tell us that it can't possibly be caused by humans because, well, I guess because they don't want to deal with the implications…. which are, if we are causing it, we need to stop it.
I'm not familiar with the "GOP" acronym. But CO2 is not the only climate driver and previous warm periods have been caused by a variety of natural phenomena.
The IPCC does not believe that the Medieval Warm Period was a global event and may have been limited to Northern Europe and North America. From proxy tree ring data they believe global temps were significantly lower than in the 20th century.
I differ – the science does NOT tell us it is real. Global warming is not currently happening. And humans have only a small roll in the weather. We don't control volcanos and such, which contribute a lot to the weather. And CO2 is good! If we didn't have CO2 all the trees and such that the envirowackos love so much will die!
the technology doesn't exist in the fashion that solar and wind would be able to supply what we need without it being prohibitively expensive. If it was fiscally possible, a private company would have made more strides into the field. As of now, only with govt subsidies can solar or wind give us even a small fraction of our energy supply. Now, if you want a proven method to supply energy – we must look at nuclear.
The song is forever ruined for me. Nice going Audi. Maybe I'll buy one of your cars…not.
I heard that in Connecticut they already have wack jobs looking through your garbage as it sits curbside to make sure that you disposed correctly.
I agree – we had one smoke out (literally smoke) the other day and it took hours for the smell to clear. That never happened with an incandescent bulb even when it would pop and turn black. Next year I am going to start stockpiling the incadescents in my attempt to be able to actually see something in my house in the future. Flourescents are just too dim! And they cost many times more than regular bulbs and they NEVER last the amount of time they claim to.
The problem is the envirowacks never think of the consequences of their drivel. The electric cas are great for the environment as long as you overlook the mining of the nickel for the batteries or the problem of disposing of said batteries.
The IPCC you are joking? You even mention the IPCC when talking to me, I just lost all intellectual respect for you Mik and will no longer wast my time in this discussion.
Have a nice day.
"I'm not familiar with the "GOP" acronym."
Nor are you familiar with how to be deliberately obtuse in a convincing manner.
Forget it Vivi
Mickey has his marching orders… USA CO2 is the death knell of humanity.
I love the center atrium. I always dreamed of that style since I was a child, drawing pictures, etc. and when I found Eichler's stuff I was gobsmacked!
We are loosing the American dream. I hope we can thwart these fascists and take back our country. I am willing to give up every dream of that house for my liberty. I can think of nothing greater than keeping the constitution as our foundation for my children and grandchildren even at the cost of losing all my possessions.
"The IPCC does not believe that the Medieval Warm Period was a global event and may have been limited to Northern Europe and North America. From proxy tree ring data they believe global temps were significantly lower than in the 20th century."
In citing the now thoroughly discredited IPCC of "climategate" infamy to support your position, you just surrendered whatever credibility you had.
Excuse me, I don't do any of those things.
You just described all of the Audi owners I've ever meet(those guys were a little effeminate).
And you missed my point, the commercial created a buzz. But what is so good about buying an Audi.
So I can spend more money at the repair shop.
You gotta do better than that Mr. Troll.
That's a shame Bill. But thanks for playing.
You are so right about the air and water clean up that we went through in the 60s and 70s.
However, we accomplished this clean up without having to to make changes in our lifestyle as you feel we must do today.
I know, I know,…. you want us to accept your basic premise.
Our USA lifestyle is going to destroy the world.
If it a choice between my keeping my house at 72 degrees 365 days out of the year……
Sorry Mickey, the Himalayas got to go.
The science is what it is, whether you choose to believe it or not. We can show you the way but there is no convincing a denier.
Volcanoes contribute one percent of the amount of CO2 to the atmosphere that man does by burning fossils. http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2007/07_02_15...
The trees were doing just fine before we began burning fossil fuels. In fact, the biggest threat to tress is us cutting them down. And that just makes the CO2 problem worse.
I don't think it will require drastic changes. No more than it requires you to separate your recyclables. But that is too much to ask of some people.
from an advertising point it is brilliant. you all missed the point. advertising is to get attention to a product. NO other super bowl ad has been discussed like this ad. Rush played it to his audience of millions. I linked it to http://www.campaignforliberty.com Audi got millions of dollars of bonus advertising. free. and for a great product that really is the right answer. the answer to the problem of importing oil. Frugal high mileage economy to boot. I plan to buy one.
If that were true it would indeed be big news… but it's not. Here is the entire episode in context if you are interested. You won't like it, but it will help you understand why the entire mess has disappeared from the headlines:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/200...
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/200...
My 10 year old Subaru Forester (non-turbo) gets all of 18-19 mpg. My 10 year old Chev Monte-Carlo gets 23-25.
The leftist types are misled if they think AWD is a gas saver.
That's a lie, mika. This faulty science you state as your reference has been soundly debunked. Did you know that last Summer was one of the coolest on record? With July being the coolest July in history? As for pollution, the pollution levels are now at pre 1974 levels, with much more industry and cars on the road. As usual, you stick to lib talking points. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
The freakin' Ocean puts off over 97% of all CO2 emissions. Should we drain the Oceans? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
Sorry, didn't realize he was talking about the Republicans. He was talking about past events and I must have missed it when he made the jump to current day. My mistake.
Let us accept at face value the notion that we are destroying our world and we here in the USA are the #1 cause as a result of our LIFESTYLE.
I make no claims to be scientifically astute, however, I do believe that it was 20th century technology that solved, for the most part, 19th century problems.
Thus, I make the wild assertion that it will be 21st century technology that will solve 20th century problems.
Correct me if I am wrong here folks, but does it not take research and development to create technology.
The last time I saw, research and development is an expensive exercise.
Can someone deny that it has been the USA who has footed the lions share of this expenditure.
So this is the quagmire we find ourselves in…,
Our economy is dependent, in large measure, on maintaining our LIFESTYLE…
We need tax dollars to fund research and development…
We need a strong economy to generate the amount of tax dollars needed for this research and development.
Hence we must maintain our…….LIFESTYLE
I have complete faith that long before the Himalayas are melted, long before the last polar bear has devoured his last seal, long before the Atlantic ocean makes up the shores of Cleveland…
We will come up with the solutions and we will live to evolve another day with the only thing to do is…
Provide the 22st century with 21st century problems.
Liberals!… Tear down this repressive wall.
BS once again, mika. The petition signed by 2500 'concerned scientists' that your bud AL Gorilla touts as his centerpiece of evidence pails in comparision to the petition circulating that has over 30,000 signatures of qualified climatologists who refute manmade global warming. Which is more of a consensus, 2500 or 30,000? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
You're so full of crap. The Oceans have been emitting CO2 long before the Industrial Age. How someone of even a slight modicum of intelligence can follow this warped train of thought, which has discredited itself, is beyond belief. Get back on Google, and don't cherry pick, use the latest data. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
1974 levels of pollution are nothing to brag about. We were choking our cities and had to find a way to mitigate the carbon monoxide. And conservatives of the day fought us ever step of the way.
Jun and July were coolest where? In North America? I had not seen that, and have little reason to believe it unless you want to send me a link. I did read the NASA press release in January where they said 2009 was tied for the second warmest year in recorded history, and that they set new records in the southern hemisphere.
Give up little pieces of our liberty to live in a free society? That dosen't even make sense! If you give up 'little pieces of liberty' there is no longer a free society, wow, just wow.
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Clean up the effluent? Let's start with your posts.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
Environmentalism is not science, it is religion — it is the worship of the earth and non-human animals as being supreme to humans and our needs. Forcing citizens to embrace Environmentalism is no different than forcing them to embrace a particular mainstream religion. My point is that it is not the role of the govt to legislate morality by forcing one group's religious beliefs on another group that does not share said beliefs.
Environmentalists, if you want to go live in a cave and walk everywhere you go and only eat and wear leaves, have at it. I'm a libertarian and have no intention of stopping you, but don't dare try to force your belief system on me through coercion and taxation.
(Btw, I feel the same about any religion trying to force its beliefs on me via govt coercion. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.)
I say we start cleaning up pollution by removing mika's posts, as they are nothing if not garbage! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
You may wish to check out Philip V Brennan's article on climate change as one of the studies that suggest we would be crazy to destroy modern civilization over the debunked lies of the IPCC.
Thanks for reminding me of 'Dream Police'. Here's one back at ya', Barry Manilow's "Mandy", ha ha, sorry.
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A very good article exposing the lies of the Global Warming Mafia: http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/the_end_of...
I couldn't agree more…
July, mika, July. You can't site the NASA evidence as credible evidence anymore, they really also on faulty stats. How can you ignore all of the evidence exposing the faulty 'science' of 'Global Warming'? The false belief of the Himalayan glaciers was based on 1 persons paper written as a thesis paper for college, for crying out loud!! The retractions are coming on a weekly basis from the 'Warmers". I gotta' go out for a while, I'll be back later and cite some links for you, k? Don't worry, I'll drive fast and keep the windows down, even though we have temps 15-20 degrees below average right now for Ohio, just so I can burn more fossil fuels.
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You are referring here to the former "Oregon Petition", discredited and renamed as the "Global Warming Petition Project". They have done a breakdown of the "qualified climatologist" (to use your words) and found some interesting qualifications in this group of over 31,000 "scientists".
2200 of them were physicians or veterinarians. Over 12,000 of them list their qualifications as "BS degree". Over 9000 of them claimed PhDs, but many were in subjects like psychology. Only a few of them were actively engaged in climatology, and most of those were weathermen or geologists employed by the fossil fuel industry.
The entire project was a oil industry financed scam.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
The subject was in the news just a couple of months ago:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/0911...
Wrong, that's not the one I'm refering to, the petition is still in circulation. However, for arguments sake, let's use these 'facts' as you present them.Over 31,000 minus 23,200 who were 'discredited' by your sources inside the left-wing bubble. Ok, that leaves over 7,800 signees. Hmmm, is 7,800 greater than 2500? And who financed the poll of the 2500? Research it, you'll be surprised. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
You give up a little piece of your liberty every time you agree to be scanned at the airport or abide by the posted speed limits. It's just a price we pay to live together in civil society.
"destroy modern civilization"? Political hyperbole and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Of course it's meant to be a little over the top but given the state of the world these days just about anything could happen.
While it is not Poland 1939 just yet we are a stone's throw away and all it would take is just one bad move on either side to set if off.
I usually am a bit over the top but are we ever not on the brink of absolute failure, I never put anything past the "one world progressives and yes they are in BOTH parties now.
Just look at Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, John McCain and Lyndsay Graham never a better definition of RINOs and incrementalism…
We have let this happen by being lulled to sleep over the past 100 years and it's time that every one opened their eyes to ALL possibilities, not you in particular but the nation as a whole.
Just sayin'…
NASA is still the gold standard for climate data.
Green police coming after my light bulbs huh? Maybe I'll let em have a few copper coated lead balls while their at it. I hear they're bad for your health. Besides, I don't much like their uniforms, they could use a splash of red to gussy em up a bit.
Didn't I read some where that the compact fluorescent are ten times as toxic as incandescent bulbs?
Easy now I like my subie wagon.
Guaranteed there are no! stickers on it.
On a related note you dont see many hope and change stickers anymore
but when you did there were lots on the windows (for easy removal)
A very narrow range of CO2 conditions? Let me educate you a little about earth's history with regard to CO2…
http://www.global-samizdat.org/Global-Samizdat/GS...
As the graph at this site shows, taking into account the time period starting in the Cambrian (that's over 500 Million years ago) to the present, we are presently in a CO2 *deficient* environment. There has only been one other time in earth's history where CO2 levels have been this low (back in the Carboniferous to Permian era). This "narrow range of carbon" that you're concerned about goes up to 7000 ppm. That's right, 7000, not 700, and definately well above our current 380 ppm. Also, there was plenty of life in the Cambrian, when the CO2 levels were up at 7000, both animal and plant, and temperatures didn't soar to levels where the earth got fried. They were warmer (22 degrees C rather than the current 14-15 degrees C), but life on earth flourished.
Absolutely hysterical ad. If it wasn't true it would be funnier. This ad makes the wack job lefty "green police" types look so foolish. Reality check: this could be the wave of the future. Remember, CA tried to have people checking people's trash for infractions against recycling!
We have to leave them up so our grand kids and great grand kids 72 years will know how to identify a classic moonbat.
As they're paying off Dr. Utopia's debt they'll be interested to know that they have fools like Mikatrollah to thank for it all.
I don't believe there are 8000 scientists who dispute AGW theory. The number that I have heard thrown around is that 97 percent of climate scientists support the theory and 3 percent are considered skeptics. An overwhelming consensus.
Yes Mika, they are so concerned they are telling us while they are flying around in their private jets and burning more juice in a month in their mansions than the average family does in a year.
What a tool.
LOL!
Gee Whiz, sounds like the IPCC!
Sorry…
They didn't "sell out" it is called making money… you know capitalism!
I have an observation… I think it is impossible for conservatives to have a debate or make a point without starting or ending it with a personal insult. Do you talk like this to people in your real life, of save it for when there is no threat?
And as long as there are people who think it should be a crime to throw an orange rind into a garbage disposal there will be dissent from folks like me who were minding our own business. That's not just an Audi joke, SanFran made it a crime to throw away "compostable" (and they made fun of Bush's words?) material. Kiss my biodegradable butt. Plastic I can see, but I am not a threat to the environment, I'm part of it. I'm a member of the animal kingdom right along with the snow geese, spotted owls, and timber wolves. The fact that I got a leg up in natural selection over my competition is PART of the natural order, and hubris inspired attempts to handicap myself and my species out of some artificial sense of superiority and/or self loathing is unnatural and wrong.
for a crowd big on evolution and hard on bible-thumping, y'all sure talk like you're more than hairless apes with a gift for tool use.
The IPCC has more important things to do than debunk deniers. That is the job of realclimate.org.
What a bunch of nonsense. Make a point.
I'm surprised they haven't declared the "snowmageddon" on the east coast "a victory against global warming."
Kinda like the XXXL t-shirt that reads "I kicked anorexia's butt." It's all a matter of perspective…
Yeah, I tried the CFL's, and had to switch back to incandescent bulbs for the lamps I actually USE.
Fluorescent light cycles at 60 hertz, the frequency of the outlet. Reading by that light causes eyestrain. Incandescent light is a constant glow.
Sounds like you're saying you'd threaten me if I disagreed with you in person. I thought you were the "civility guy"
And yes, in real life I would have absolutely no problem disagreeing with you and calling you out as a tool in front of our peers.
What is the name of this new petition? I have a masters degree and 25 years experience dodging thunderstorms… probably qualifies me to be a "concerned scientist" by their standards. Maybe I'll sign it.
Agree with most of your points to essentially "keep it real". But I think it is critical to spot the beginning of trends and there was a beginning that occurred without notice when E Europe started to fall to the socialists/perfectionists.
I have an +80 yr old landlord here on the US East coast and she fled Hungary just before it was dominated. She told me that what she sees in this country today is very similar, in fact "just like" (her words) when it began in Hungary. The government starts slow and with the best of intentions of man, and the attitude that all opposition is just uninformed. Eventually the government needs to control the transportation, making it impossible for you to leave, flee.
She commented on the corruption, which was the surest sign of the beginning. Corruption where both parties, professional politicians, work hand and hand only with the powerful institutions, leaving the individual to him/herself.
There is a reason the tea-party movement is so popular. In just over 1 year, both parties have proven to be failures and tied with only the most powerful groups. People can see where this is headed, our government signing away our future, committing us to little individual control over our individual lives. Both parties are too tied to power. Amazingly big business and big banks have learned it is better to "work with" government than oppose intrusion. More suprisingly they have choosen to "work with" Democrats, primarily. This shift began under Clinton. Follow the investment banker money, it is mostly liberal…..
The Tea Party is about American culture and individual liberty. It is about not breaking our government, no, it is about dismantling the current system of government which feeds only it's own power and replacing it with a government that works, that is practical, that serves individuals and not powerful institutions.
We need to prevent our government from becoming "too big to fail"…..we all know what that phrase really means.
BTW if you find it insulting I assure you sir, you only insult yourself. You've always made it clear enough that you're a shill for the left. Rather than articulate it I cut straight to the chase: tool.
Anyway, what about your boy Olbermann, is he a conservative? Sharpton? Matthews? Gibbs? Obama? You progressives always think your shit smells so damned pretty.
The only disservice to history is to ignore it. We are situated very similarly to Poland 1939. Current methodology may be significantly different – we aren't being mowed down physically (yet), but the tone of the talking points spoonfed to the media and the statements made by government officials are meant to discourage public dissent just the same. And the legislative steps being contemplated are meant to clamp down even harder on the throats of those who enjoy the ability to question and disagree with their government. Don't kid youself and downplay the current political atmosphere. That's just what they want you to do.
Lot of anger there for an "arbitrary alias". But you answered my question. You are indeed incapable of a civil conversation.
Your hate is going to consume you if you let it.
What justifies them? The ad?
"Hate hate HATE!" Another classic leftist tactic, anyone who disagrees is a hater. I only hate one thing in this world, and that's terrorists. Well, two things, the second being pedophiles.
With you guys it's more like shadenfreude tinged with pity. You have so much sand in your vag it's impossible for me to resist the urge to poke a bit of fun at you.
You're on BIG GOVERNMENT advocating BIG GOVERNMENT, what do you expect? You cry about it now but it gives you a sense of validation. How do I know you like it? You couldn't go five minutes without responding to my last post.
I wish I had your faith. I don't doubt that advances in technology can solve the problems. I do worry that US voters and the craven politicians they elect will be unwilling to invest in the research and development. A lot of them are still living the 20th century and don't see how far behind this country is going to slip if we don't wise up and make sacrifices for the sake of our future well-being and prosperity.
Fair enough alias… I enjoy poking fun too.
But everybody hates terrorists and pedophiles. There must be more to your unhappiness. What about liberals? homosexuals? How about Nancy Pelosi? You gotta hate Nancy Pelosi… I think that is in the teapartiers oath of office.
So sorry, here's the cliff notes version.
The Audi commercial is making fun of real world laws on the books in this country now. Point one.
The Green Movement is more about telling everyone else what to do than it is saving anything. Point two.
Man as a species is just another animal. The notion that we are "masters of the planet" and capable of destroying it is hubris of the highest order. Point three.
In conclusion, while the tree huggers are welcome to agonize over the threat they feel they pose to the planet, I'll thank them to keep their nose out of my business.
Some environmentalists treat environmentalism like a religion, but there is such a thing as environmental science that like other sciences observes natural phenomena, records and analyzes data, tests hypotheses, and publishes findings. If people ignore those findings, they will live with the consequences. The job of those in power should be to educate, not to police.
They had better ban all private firearms before putting the "Green Police" into action because I would hate to be the first "Green Police" officer coming through my door trying to arrest me for not being "green" enough.
Drama queen much? I'm wondering just how your dissent has been stifled and when the stifling of dissent started and by whom? I think people who live under real oppression by real tyrants would read a post like this and not know whether to laugh or cry.
If I were to make an observation that it's impossible for liberals to have a debate without sounding condescending and superior wouldn't you consider that oversimplifying things? Those sorts of observations are how folks like you get called "communists" and folks like us get called "racists."
I'll concede that conservatives are more hawkish in debating style, but would caution against dehumanizing an entire group of people as a result. That's almost….well…..racist.
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Now that's what I like to hear. I have to give you credit, didn't think you'd respond.
Now, with the homosexuality, there you go again: "hate hate HATE!" I don't care how someone gets their jollies as long as it doesn't involve children or rape.
I've always thought you guys are strangely preoccupied with race, gender, and sexual orientation. Seems like the progressives believe if a person isn't middle class and white, they aren't really a person at all, they are defined by their race, gender, sexual orientation.
I do tend to paint the far right wing with a broad racist brush… But every time I tell myself I'll do better someone says something racist and I forget myself.
Condescending and superior…. guilty as charged. That's liberal armor. It's all an act, so don't believe any of it.
All the feakin Modern Druids… you know you secretly love the idea of "Green Police", your just pissed because you were all called on it! lol… I might just have to go out and buy an Audi
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Come on Randy, you didn't like the Kia Toys (How You Like Me Now?) ad? That was awesome. It had a giant sock monkey riding a mechanical bull, getting a tattoo and doing barrel rolls on sea-doo. How can you not love that? Watch it again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJqs3D2vv4I
You love it, don't you?
We have "Green Nazis" running around right now.
How do you like those Green light bulbs that are supposed to last 7 years but can't get past 7 days. And they cost more too!
How is a governmental agency which has a vested interest in promoting GW in order to maintain funding the gold standard for climate data? Only in your mind.
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Hey mika, check out the reply below, I believe Alayna meant to reply to you, not me.
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Excellent post, thanks for the link.
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Ditto! I HATE those fluorescent bulbs too. They take forever to warm up to their max luminescence – and even still, they couldn't light up my closet. By the way, if you drop and break one of those suckers?… Mercury. How warm and fuzzy! The feds would rather poison us in the name of being environmentally concious, then let us have enough light to see by. Brought to you by the special interest group… GE. Just like the freon replacement that costs twice as much and is proven to be no more "safe"… Brought to you by the special interest group… DuPont
They would probably cry because they didn't have the guts to speak the truth when it absolutely mattered and as far as being oppressed, "the one" is doing it every day.
He's scum!
Oh you poor thing, you want to be above the fray, but doggonit, some bad Conservative makes you lower yourself to a judgmental blithering old fool.So sad you can't help yourself, darn Conservatives.
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"But I live in a state, California, which recently:
* proposed fining and jailing people for the crime of driving with under-inflated tires;"
Uhmmm….. a little late on this post. As a truck driver i know that their are truck scales that use infrared to check tire heat and detect low tire pressure. Pull to to the right and bring in your paperwork!
Mega-DITTO!!!
When the commercial was over, all of us in the room just sort of looked at each other in silence.
Even the liberals were put at unease with a possible glimpse into a future no one wants.
Then someone in the room yelled, "Vote Conservative" and we were all good again…
Yep, they do.Deleting e-mails and circling the wagons to cover-up junk science must keep them busy.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
"GOLD standard"??? Mika, baby, you seem to be unaware of any of the climate-gate stories that have surfaced in the past few weeks…or you're just in complete denial of them. Don't get me wrong…I'm a big fan of NASA's great accomplishments in space exploration (and there are many), but I'm also aware of some of it's bureaucratic bungles, one of which, I think, is it's promotion of AGW.
I wonder if mika knows that Washington D.C. broke a 110 year old snowfall record, and Winter's not over yet.
It's probably because of GW though.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
Mik many of us want to be good stewards of the environment, I for one am an indigenous American it's in my blood. Unfortunately political ideology seems to get in the way of things like logic and science.
I've got a thousand incandescent bulbs in storage. They've got a long shelf life!
Missed it game day. First time I saw it. Cute.
97 percent of the CO2 we create by burning fossils is absorbed by the oceans. Then when the temperature increases it gives some of it back to the atmosphere. That is the danger because nobody knows how much CO2 the oceans will hold, or how fast they will give it up if we experience runaway warming.
CO2 is natural and it is good. We live in a very narrow range of carbon and temperature conditions required to support life and that balance is what is threatened by burning fossil fuels.
'Landfill problems'…recycling helps the environment. More eco-mythology. We're not running out of landfill space, and modern landfills are built and maintained to strict standards, with a large amount of the waste methane used for power production. Recycling itself is a huge waste of resources: energy, water, time, manpower & money. Plastic products are less costly & more efficiently made from the source. Trees for paper production are mostly grown on farms, and, therefore, renewable. Only metals are worth recycling, as mining the ore is very resource intensive.
mikatollah, if he was around in the 1970s, was no doubt running about warning about the dangers of the "New Ice Age", and the need to curb individual rights in order to deal with it.
I bet someone can find a post from mik in early 2006, warning that we faced the worst hurricane season ever because of global warming.
2006, of course, wound up being one of the quietest hurricane seasons ever, despite what the Church of Global Warming told us.
"The IPCC has more important things to do than debunk deniers."
Given that the entire reason for the IPCC's existence is "proving" the existence of global warming, I would expect answering the evidence of large-scale fraud that occurred there would be pretty high on the IPCC's to-do list.
The landfill problem depends on where you live. If you live here in west Texas, the only limit on landfills is the pesky government regulations that make construction expensive, but keep hazardous chemicals out of the underground water table. If you live in the greater NY City area, the space to house the trash of 10 million people is at a premium. The city has discontinued recycling certain items because it wasn't cost effective, only to find that they are once more cost effective as the landfills fill up.
The cost of recycling is relative. A mature, well run curbside recycling program can often be run cheaper than hauling the trash to a landfill. Over time, recycling will usually be more cost effective than warehousing your trash. Not everywhere, but everywhere there are significant concentrations of people.
One day we will be mining our landfills for raw materials.
When I lived in NYC, until June '09, we were forced to recycle, under penelty of law. Sanit police would sometimes look through sidewalk trash, set out for pickup, and give fines for 'mixed/contaminated garbage/recycling'. For that reason, I complied with the law…and I did it properly, by making sure that cans, jars & bottles were clean (I didn't want any odors or vermin attracted). The city had separate crews dispatched to pick up the trash & recycling. I thought it was a waste of resources & taxpayer $$, but I contributed to it anyway…mostly for the aformentioned fines.
Now, we live in Northern VA, where we drop off trash & recycling at the county dump, which is 5 minutes away & right near I-81. Being that it's fairly convenient, I feel that I'm not wasting too much of my own resources (i.e. time & gas). But I'd still rather just do the metals.
I used to be a mechanic. After careful consideration and analysis of the Product. No. If they were giving them away, Yes, because I like diesels. But for what they want for an Audi, Nope!
I was in college when Time Magazine announced the coming of the next ice age. Like most Americans I didn't pay much attention because it was not backed up by any science. A recent survey of the scientific literature from the time showed that 44 papers predicted warming, 7 predicted cooling and 20 made no predictions about the future of the climate. So even in the middle 70s when cooling news made it into popular culture, the guys who study this for a living were warning of warming.
The predictions about the severity of hurricanes doesn't change the scientific fact that our climate is warming. It carries with it the possibility that severe weather events like hurricanes could be more frequent and more severe, but since they are weather events there are never any guarantees.
The IPCC is a clearinghouse for climate information. Their goal is to coordinate international public policy based on scientific findings, not prove the existence of global warming.
If you are counting on climategate to nullify 100 years of climate science you are going to be disappointed. It's not that big a deal.
At a minimum we should all be doing the metals. Where I live in Texas we have to pay for the privilege of recycling. It is all done by a private company because our citizens don't want to be bothered.
As one who was arrested by the TSA for talking (using no profanity or intimations of the word bomb or anything of the sort) I was unnerved by this ad because it rang too true.
1939 Poland? How are we situated the same Adrienne1001? What country is our U.S.S.R. to our east and what country is our is our Nazi Germany to our west? Which two countries will agree to divide the United States? I trust you will provide the correct answer.
Hey strawman, the POTUS isn't powerful? The POTUS controls a top military power of the world and also has partial control of one of the biggest economic powers of the world and there is no doubt in my mind that the "anointed one" would oppress if he had the choice.
Missy8s, we are not oppressed yet. We still have the weapons of free speech and free association and as a last resort, the right to bear arms.
There you go again…equating anti-'Green Policers' with polluters. I'm all for a clean environment. I just have issues with those riding on their high horses (and in their own fleets of SUVs & private jets), trying to convince (and FORCE) the rest of us that we have to live our lives a certain way, in the guise of "saving the planet". CFLs are, I think, a good example of forcing an agenda on the populace that won't help the environment. They're loaded with mercury and will eventually number in the billions in households around the world (through legislative banning of incandescents). Will everyone follow the rules and dispose of them properly, and clean them up correctly when (not if, mind you) they break? I'm guessing not, with the result being an incredible increase in levels of contamination worldwide. I seem to recall that was a big issue not too long ago, with steps taken to reduce it. Now, perhaps all for nought.
I'm stocking up on the incandescents, and hope that the price of LED lights (a more viable alternative) will come down soon
"The IPCC is a clearinghouse for climate information. Their goal is to coordinate international public policy based on scientific findings, not prove the existence of global warming.
If you are counting on climategate to nullify 100 years of climate science you are going to be disappointed. It's not that big a deal."
Bullflop. Admitting that global warming is a scam removes any reason to continue funding the charlatans at the IPCC.
BTW, what is this "one hundred years" you are referring to? As I pointed out in another post, the Climate Change Alarmists were confidently predicting a "New Ice Age" only forty years ago, and "The Worst Hurricane Season Ever" only four years ago. They were completely wrong on both counts.
There is no reason to sabotage any aspect of our standard of living, much less our freedoms as individuals, based on the lies coming out of discredited institutions like the IPCC.
We need to take action now and make it economical for power companies to clean up their effluent and car companies to build cleaner cars. They are not going to volunteer.
"AGW doesn't give us the luxury of waiting until your mood changes. Just like our landfills are filling up and need to be dealt with, our atmosphere requires us to make changes in our lifestyle. "
AGW doesn't exist–thius is just more fear-mongering by someone who wishes to tell us how to live our lives, using AGW as a convenient excuse.
The fact is, as ClimateGate proves, that the climate has in fact been cooling since 1998. The liars at East Anglia could not explain why the data showed this, and so they lied about it.
Climategate was a handful of stolen e-mails taken out of context by the right and in no way change the science or the data of climate change.
"You give up a little piece of your liberty every time you agree to be scanned at the airport or abide by the posted speed limits. It's just a price we pay to live together in civil society. "
Terrorism is a real threat, although there is no need for most people to "give up little pieces of their liberty"; just those who unfortunately match profiles of the individuals who perpetrated the September 11 attacks.
"AGW" is a myth and a lie; no individual should be required to give up anything to stop a threat that does not exist.
AGW is just an excuse for people like mika to exercise authority over everyone else.
"Look at the example of WWII. When we have to, we can stuff a lot of development into a short period of time. "
Which is why that long-awaited cure for cancer was invented as soon as the need for it was recognized?
The fact is, just because we, or rather you, want something to be invented does not mean it can be invented. There are major technological bottlenecks preventing the invention of many so-called "green technologies", and all the will power in the world does not change that.
Go back and read some more Nietzche while you dream about making all us peasants conform to your dictates.
The hazards of the small amounts of mercury in florescent lights have been overblown by climate change deniers and the issue has been thoroughly debunked.
Your agenda is also very clear, and you care nothing for a "clean environment" because it conflicts with your right wing ideology.
Doesn't matter how many times you repeat a lie, it's still a lie.
And when did ClimateGate ever APPEAR in the MSM headlines? They are too deeply invested in this issue to be trusted, much like the links you cite as "proof" that the IPCC scandal was taken "out of context".
What next–the Gore claim that the IPCC scandal was based on "ten year old" e-mails? Going to cite a student paper as "proof" the Himalayan Glaciers are disappearing?
All the "context" in the world does not diguise the fact that Climate Gate exposed the lies of the Church of Global Warming. By their own admission, the IPCC could not account for errors in their calculations of how the climate was warming.
As somone who claims they support the scientific process, I would think efforts by the climate change high priests at East Anglia to suppress dissenting opinion would worry you.
Still waiting for an explanation on where those glaciers went, even though modern industry, and the high standard of living it has created, did not yet exist to be blamed for their disappearance.
genius! don't give them any ideas, LOL!
Hey, FinderFlynn,
On paper the POTUS is powerful; so far, this POTUS has shown himself to be milquetoast. Maybe he's holding his inner-tyrant in reserve, but I just don't see it yet. Show me the signs he's anything but an inexperienced weakling.
Hey, FinderFlynn,
And BTW what do you mean by "if he had the choice"? If he's so powerful, what's preventing him from oppressing his opponents? What choice does he not have?
Sorry. This is my thing. I'm not an Obama supporter, but I want people to have cogent arguments.
Another Challenge for the newly inspired (Awakened)…I can hardly wait for the you tube videos to follow up on Audi's exposure Of our ridiculous future!!! Being an industry trying to turn a profit, I imagine Audi is just trying to tell people to wake up to the control that can be given to the green (Defunct) "Global warming" ideology!!! The jest of it all was…….Clean diesel………Fossil fuel (Biodegradable Juice of the earths gravitational pressures) by a refined name as being something else!!!! Keep your blinders on, their theology requires it of their supporters!!!!! Audi knows…left unchecked the green laws will soon keep even their product parked! If you'll notice, they perceived their product as the last one able to pass punishment, of any product or action depicted in their commercial!!!
Greetings. When I saw this ad during the game, I thought for sure it would turn out to be sponsored by some freedom loving group issuing us a warning for what is on the way. I hate the ending. The envirofanatics are as bad as the Catholic church hierarchy who closed their eyes rather than look through Gallileo's telescope to see the earth is not the center of the universe. I for one will not give up my freedom. I sincerely believe we are in a fight for our lives.
Now that was well said and easy to understand… thanks.
I knew it. It's about time the sock monkey started getting some play. I had one when I was a little girl about 35 years ago. Now I have one named Walter sitting on my toy shelf.
Some people wonder why the sales of guns and ammunition increased dramatically when Barry Hussein Obama (mmm! mmm! mmm!) became president. It’s not that much of a mystery. If Hussein had his way, the green police would be a reality. The smart people in this country have figured out that the ultimate goal of B. Hussein and his ilk is to have the government control and regulate every aspect of people’s lives, and they are preparing accordingly.
Oh hell yeah. Actually it's an entire bookshelf. One shelf is filled with wind-up toys. One shelf is filled with antique tin toys (drum playing panda, rocket ship, top, music box, ray gun, etc.). One shelf is filled with nostalgia toys (sock monkey, marbles, jacks, slinky, pick up sticks etc.) One shelf is filled with hockey stuff. And the last shelf is still open. Plus my hall closet has toys. I have matchbox cars and action figures and stuff like that. And I have wind up toys that go in my bathtub. Those are awesome.
Yeah, I might have issues. But at least I'm a hell of lot more fun than Mikatollah or that bigot who's always whining about Israel.
Kind of like Al Gorilla and Prince Willy saying that if we don't act quickly, all hope is lost and BILLIONS of people will die, and life will never be as we now know it?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
You're right…LOL
Look, I have problems with BO, but one thing he is not is powerful, as witnessed by the fact that he has accomplished practically nothing. I ask again, how are you being oppressed by him or anyone in this dysfunctional government of ours? I don't see anyone's voice getting silenced (pretty much the opposite–everyone's shouting angrily all the time). I just hate it when people think of themselves as victims when they aren't. If you can offer me any proof that you or any other ordinary, law-abiding Americans are oppressed, I would be happy to change my mind.
"I don't believe there are 8000 scientists who dispute AGW theory."
Two flaws with this line of reasoning by mikatollah:
First, he is making an argument on faith, i.e. "I don't believe…"
Second, even if his numbers are correct, he is making the popularity=correct fallacy. Most scientists said Galileo was wrong about the earth orbiting the sun. Majority opinion does not automatically mean "the debate is over", as our Dear Leader loves to put it.
"The predictions about the severity of hurricanes doesn't change the scientific fact that our climate is warming."
Bullflop. The Church of Climate Change couldn't even predict weather patterns six months in advance…yet they want to destroy the US economy with "Cap and Trade"?
Just say no to the False Church of Global Warming, and the lies they spew.
Perhaps a tad extreme….but any form of "Green Police" who try to pull any of that crap around this old buzzard's "personal space" will discover the wonderful attributes of a well placed 00 buckshot astringent facial. I am too old to give a damn, and still young enough to rack rounds. I have had it with being told how to live by people who have no idea what it's like to just be happy to be alive. I have been to countries where people did what they were told just to stay off the radar, and then watch as their neighbors were taken away for thinking something against the prevailing attitudes of the day. Screw the Green Police. They pull that crap at my place and they will have to figure out a way to get incandescent light bulbs out of their arses, and help carry off the ones who didnt appreciate a warning shot. I simply dont care. What can I get, life? LOL…four years at most…in the prison hospital. Oh well, free health care at last…..assholes.
I have something for the green police, it is called an M1 Garand. You should have a similar response to them in your home, with plenty of those dreaded lead projectiles.
i wanna play
You've heard the saying life imitates art and art imitates life. You may remember watching movies like Dick Tracy, or Flash Gordon, where Tracy had the wrist video phone and Flash had the space shuttle. There were movies with computers and flying cars etc. All of these movies had gadgets and devices that were not invented or put to use yet, but are now a reality. With this "GREEN MOVEMENT," I am afraid we are already headed in the direction portrayed in the commercial. The incandescent bulb is being outlawed and many of the other things in the commercial are being implemented. The Corporations are behind it because they are making Green from going green. The children are being brainwashed and indoctrinated in the schools and Saturday morning cartoons. The Obama Administration is going to force Cap and Trade on the American citizens by law through the Congress or by regulation through the EPA. This law is also about control. The American people need to have their voices heard and put a stop to this legislation.
Actually, I'm kind of psycho about it. The shelf toys are only for grown-ups and the hall-closet toys are for kids. I've spent years collecting and filling the shelf. I've traveled all over the world gathering those treasures. They are my most prized possessions.
The holy grail, however, is the sock monkey I grew up with. He's almost 40 years old. My grandmother is still looking for him. But I'm afraid he's probably gone.
You have a toy shelf?
Cool
Not to worry there 'strawguy'
Long before the last anything happens….
Somebody at an M.I.T. research lab will come up with the solution…
Thanks to the huge gov. grant as a result of the taxes collected as a result of the robust American economy.
"We chose to go to moon. not because it is easy, but because…."
Anyone notice that all the 'miscreants' are white males? Typical leftist targets.
A successful ad is not based on how much audience response it generates. Its based on if it helps sell the product and enhance the company (audi's) image. I think it failed miserably there as it offended both the tree huggers and the tree cutters.
So now Audi is on the don't buy list, along with GM. But its actually a pretty darn good car with that turbo diesel-especially compared to the GM volt POS. But based on principals of it being the Green Car of the year and this ad, it is off my list.
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Environmentalism with a capital E is not the same as environmental science. If it's actual science, it should be completely divorced from anyone with any power to make policies or coerce citizens or businesses into doing anything. As soon as science marries politics it stops being science. Environmentalism is an excellent argument for why the govt should have absolutely no roll in sponsoring scientific research. We need a separation of State and Science just like we do State and Church and State and Economy.
But the problem is who's gonna watch this commercial and buy an Audi because of it.
Isn't the objective of an ad to get people to buy the product?
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Are you forced, via legislation, to recycle? If so, how is that a 'privelage'? If it's voluntary, do people contract the company individualily to have their own collections?
People don't obey the speed limit just because you post it. You have to enforce it.
Excuse me, but you have NO idea of any agenda that I might have! What have I said indicates that I'm a 'right wing ideolgogue'? Does debating you with a contrarian viewpoint automatically make me one? Does that make YOU a 'left wing ideologue'? Your view of the idea of a 'clean environment' conflicting with 'right wing ideology' clearly shows what YOUR agenda is.
Those 'small' amounts of mercury in each bulb are going to be magnified MILLIONS of times here and abroad, thereby undoing years of efforts to remove it from the environment. Eventually, this will result in a renewed crisis that will impact the health of the populace and require more billions of taxpayer money to clean up.
Dump (excuse me: RECYCLE) the CFLs and invest in LED production to bring the cost down. They're much more efficient, run cooler, last much longer than any other bulb and are safer for the environment. But if they're put in traffic lights in areas that experience winter weather, also install heaters to prevent them from freezing over!
Your agenda is clear from your choice of talking points. Do you think this is the first time I've heard right wingers complain about mercury in light bulbs? Hardly. It's always about resisting the change to more efficient energy sources. You are no different.
What does that have to do with the specific questions I asked you?
We are not forced to recycle, so the vast majority of us do not.
No I don't. I think we can manage the disposal of used up bulbs just like we do household cleaning solvents and old batteries.
"Your agenda is clear from your choice of talking points." OK, so you won't specify what I've said…just keep being completely vague about it to make your own. Let me try another question that you'll probably avoid: Do you think that there WON"T be a mercury problem as a result of CFL propagation?
I'm all for changes to increasing efficiency in new products and energy production…so long as they really work (at a reasonable price) and don't end up causing more problems that must be fixed at a later date and at a higher cost. I support conservation of all resources. That includes reducing electrical consumption to lessen the load on the grid, thus reducing the chances of brownouts & blackouts.
The ad is meant to convey to the American public that the Diesel Engine is no longer the dirty, smelly thing of the past. It is meant as an image-changer for Diesels with no political inference at all. You guys need to chill.
OK, but that's dependant on people actually bringing them in to be recycled. Radio Shack collects batteries, Home Depot/Lowes collects CFLs…that's all fine & well. But what about all of the broken bulbs (and there will be many)? I think most people won't be bothered with proper clean up.
My point is that this isn't all that necessary. Argon bulbs do not pose a toxic threat. They can be used with a dimmer, which admittedly doesn't save electricity (but could extend the life of the bulb), while 3-way bulbs can (while giving the consumer a choice of wattages for their need).
CFLs can't meet any of that criteria, while still containing one of the most toxic natural elements known. I still think that their usage will undo years of clean-up efforts.
If you think that cutting down on one's electrical demand will help 'save the planet', fine. Just TURN OFF the lights, TVs, PCs, etc that you don't need at the moment.
Even if they are not recycled, our landfill can handle them. Disposal safety is not a good reason to stop using florescent bulbs.
And there is your real issue… you don't want to see conservation. The mercury is a red herring.
Lol, so much hyperbole! So clean a clean diesel ad ……. <magical number of unrealistic steps>….. = Fascist Eco State? Bottom line is as resources go scarce, you either will pay more for things like garbage service or see programs like composting designed to reduce landfill waste.
As for SF, what you are complaining about is one extra green bin to put out on trash day. The bin will contain compost materials, and residents are not required to actually compost, just throw compostables into a green bin. No fines until June 2011, and only for egregious cases. In terms of a Fascist "slippery slope", i would direct you to things like the Patriot Act and FISA. I guess we are all free to fantasize about an Eco Fascist State, but there is actually other real stuff to be concerned about.
If you change "smart" to "crazy" or "unhinged", I think you are onto something…
hopefully people can make smart decisions without the benefit of education and thoughtful reflection. if they can't green police are a good move to protect our ecological resources.