Wisconsin Senate Republicans Did Not Violate the Open Meetings Law
by Joel GriffithOn March 7, the Wisconsin Senate passed a bill reforming the public sector union bargaining process. For weeks, the Senate remained at an impasse on the issue as absent Senate Democrats denied the quorum required to move forward. By redrafting the bill to exclude certain fiscal items, a 2/3 quorum was no longer required to vote on the legislation. The Senate promptly approved the bill 18-1.
After passage of the bill by the Senate, the Joint Committee of Conference then received the bill. This committee’s responsibility is to make changes to similar pieces of legislation passed in both the Senate and House. Once these changes are approved by the Joint Committee of Conference, the legislation is then submitted for approval by the legislative chambers. For a bill to be submitted to the governor for his signature — and thereby enacted into law– the language in the bill passed by the Senate and the House must be identical. In this case, the Joint Committee of Conference approved the language of the bill passed by the Senate verbatim, submitting this to the House for Approval.
Typically, consideration of legislation by this committee for the mark-up process takes weeks. However, the committee completed its work on this public sector union bill just hours after posting notice of its upcoming meeting.
Much criticism has been levied at the Wisconsin Republicans for the actions of the Joint Committee Meeting. In a dramatic outburst, Representative Peter Barca proclaimed, “This is a violation of the Open Meetings Law!” What does the law say? The portion which the Democrats claim is being violated is Wisconsin Open Meetings Law, in particular §19.84 of the statute.
§19.84 (1) Public notice of all meetings of a governmental body shall be given in the following manner:….(2) Every public notice of a meeting of a governmental body shall set forth the time, date, place and subject matter of the meeting, including that intended for consideration at any contemplated closed session, in such form as is reasonably likely to apprise members of the public and the news media thereof. The public notice of a meeting of a governmental body may provide for a period of public comment, during which the body may receive information from members of the public.(3) Public notice of every meeting of a governmental body shall be given at least 24 hours prior to the commencement of such meeting unless for good cause such notice is impossible or impractical, in which case shorter notice may be given, but in no case may the notice be provided less than 2 hours in advance of the meeting.”
At first glance, it appears that due to the lack of a 24 hours notice to the public, the Joint Committee of Conference violated the Wisconsin Open Meetings Law. However, there is much more to this statute. We must also take into consideration §19.87 regarding the notice required by legislative meetings.
§19.87(2) No provision of this subchapter which conflicts with a rule of the senate or assembly or joint rule of the legislature shall apply to a meeting conducted in compliance with such rule.
Is there is a rule senate or assembly or joint rule which qualifies for this exception to the general Wisconsin Open Meetings Law notice requirements? To determine this, we simply need to take a look at the Wisconsin rules for the legislature.
Joint Rule 27. Committee hearings open to public. Unless otherwise provided by law, every committee hearing, executive session, or other meeting shall be open to the public. If time permits, advance notice of every regularly scheduled committee hearing, executive session, or other meeting shall be published as provided in joint rule 75.
Since this was not a regularly scheduled meeting, Joint Rule 75 does not apply. Joint Rule 27 requires only that such a non-regularly scheduled meeting be open to the public, without proscribing a time requirement.
In addition, the Senate Rules clearly agree with this analysis.
(2) A notice of a committee meeting is not required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board, and a bulletin of committee hearings may not be published.
Senate Rule 93 (3)
(3) The daily calendar is in effect immediately upon posting on the legislative bulletin boards. The calendar need not be distributed.
The Senate clerk indeed posted notice of this committee online. The Senate rules require no notice of a committee meeting besides such a posting on the legislative bulletin board. This requirement is far less than the 24 hour notice guidelines specified §19.84 (1) of the Open Meetings Law. However, we saw in §19.87(2) of the same statute, that a senate, assembly, or joint rule does in fact trump this much more stringent notice requirement!
Accusations that the Wisconsin Republicans violated this law are incongruent with reality, distort the law, and qualify as demagoguery.
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And watch the libtards keep screaming that somehow the Republicans 'stole democracy'.
Ahhh, the sweet smell of victory. Looks like the Dims got out maneuvered while they were playing hooky like a bunch of high schoolers that didn't do their homework.
I would argue that folks all over the internet talked about the possibility of doing what was done, as a direct result of the Democrats who refused to allow the democratic process to go forward by their own chosen absence, and that would mean only the most uninformed didn't see this coming.
Democrats had pleeeeeeeennnttttttyyyyyyy of time to return to their workstations to do what they were elected to do. They chose to be derelict in their duties and left the Republicans no choice but to do what they did.
I wonder if Wisconsin Democrats will run South of the border again anytime soon?
These leftist made death threats so anything they do or say in mute,if they will go so far as a death threat then they get everything they deserve,nickle plated bracelets would be just fine by me,and when I refer to leftist I include the democrats,the democrats who made death threats need to be locked up NOW because the venom they spew spreads like a cancer that needs to be eradicated for the sake of those that want to live in a law abiding state and country.
Don't worry about it……. Liberals violate all Human Rights just by being alive.
Idiot unionista "leader" thinks he can "learn" from socialism, there is no other lesson to possibly "learn" than the murderous genocidal ideology it actually is, period!!
What this butt hole is actually preaching is "psychological pedophilia", anyone like him must be kept far away from children and permanently removed from society!!!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/teachers-union-le...
"Accusations that the Wisconsin Republicans violated this law are incongruent with reality, distort the law, and qualify as demagoguery."
We expected something different from those who believe in partial birth abortion, reckless spending and phony Keynesian economics..?
"They can't do that. Only WE can do that."
– National Socialist Democrat Workers Party
Dims don't like to play by rules unless it's their rules and it benefits them. They become especially rabid when they are outfoxed by their own misdeeds. In WI they threw a tantrum and ran away like spoiled children when they couldn't get their way. Serves them right.
Now the American voters see them for what they are and are beginning to understand that the dims play the same games at the federal level.
BTW, if BO wins in 2012, every piece of legislation to cut spending will be reinstituted if they regain the house. Let's not make that possible. We need to retain the house and grab the senate and the oval office to begin to undo the damage the brat has imposed upon us since his arrival in the oval office.
My hope is that the citizens of Wisconsin will recognize how the Democrats broke their oath of office and fled their responsibility by hiding out in Illinois. This is a disgrace and they should never, ever again be eligible to hold elective office IN THE GREAT STATE OF WISCONSIN. Bad precedent.
If BO wins in 2012, this country is way past saving……
The people who vote him in WILL get the government they deserve……
So even if they did not follow the letter of the law with respect to these……….
Sections; 19.84, 19.87; Joint Rule 27 and Senate Rule 93 mumbo jumbo,…
the Republicans are guilty of running a red light chasing,……..
the Democrats who just robbed the peoples' bank.
If that happens, we will again be thrown back into the dark ages of antiquity.
The commies never stop screwing over the public, here they scam to get what they want and delay the law
School boards and local governments across Wisconsin are rushing to reach agreements with unions before a new law takes effect and erases their ability to collectively bargain over nearly all issues other than minimal salary increases.
The law doesn't go into effect until the day after Secretary of State Doug La Follette publishes it and it doesn't supersede contracts already in place, fueling unions' desire to reach new deals quickly. La Follette said Monday that he will delay publication until the latest day possible, March 25, to give local governments as much time as possible to reach agreements.
Republican Gov. Scott Walker had asked La Follette to publish the law Monday, but the Democratic secretary of state said he didn't see any emergency that warranted him doing so. La Follette opposed the bill and said he sat in his office watching parts of a weekend protest that brought as many as 100,000 people out in opposition to the law.
"This is the biggest change in Wisconsin labor management history in 50 years," La Follette said, describing his reasoning for holding off on its enactment.
The law ends collective bargaining for public workers over everything except salary increases no greater than inflation. It also forces state workers to make benefit concessions that amount to an 8 percent pay cut on average.
Walker also is proposing a nearly $1 billion cut in aid to schools in his two-year budget plan that would take effect in July. He argued that for that reason, districts needed to get more money from their employees to help mitigate the loss in aid. Walker also wants to limit the ability of schools and local governments to pay for the cuts through local property tax increases.
The Wisconsin Association of School Boards is telling districts to be cautious about approving contracts that will make it more difficult for them to handle the cuts in aid Walker is seeking. Since Walker unveiled the bill on Feb. 11, between 50 and 100 of the state's 424 districts have approved deals with unions, said Bob Butler, an attorney with the association.
The vast majority of them included benefit concessions consistent with what Walker proposed under the new law, Butler said.
The Madison school board met in a marathon 18-hour session Friday night to reach an agreement with the local teachers union to approve a new contract that runs through mid-2013.
That agreement freezes wages and requires the same pension contribution as state workers will be required to pay starting later this month under the new law. It also allows the district to require health insurance premium contributions up to 5 percent in the first year of the deal and up to 10 percent in the second year.
The Racine school district voted to approve a new contract with its teachers union on Wednesday evening, as Walker's collective bargaining proposal was being approved by the state Senate. Several local governments, including the city of Janesville and La Crosse County, also have pushed through contracts in the past month ahead of the new law.
Schools and local governments would be foolish to rush through deals that don't account for concessions at the same level or greater than what is called for under the law, said Republican Rep. Robin Vos, co-chairman of the Legislature's budget committee.
If they don't get the concessions, then they can't complain about the difficulty of dealing with cuts, Vos said.
"Ultimately they're the ones who are going to have to deal with the ramifications," he said. "I can't imagine they're going to be able to talk out of both sides of their mouth."
If districts lock in deals with unions that don't have concessions to help make up for the aid cuts, that could force them into making "mass layoffs," said Walker's spokesman Cullen Werwie.
Eliminating collective bargaining, except over salary, puts both local teachers unions and the school districts in unchartered territory as they try to figure out how to work with one another without the previous structure, said Mary Bell, president of the statewide teachers' union that fought unsuccessfully to stop the bill.
"This bill creates chaos and that doesn't benefit anyone," Bell said. "There's a great deal of anxiety, as you might expect."
La Follette said he heard from many schools, cities and counties urging him to delay enactment of the law as long as possible. Waiting the full 10 days afforded under the law is his office's usual practice anyhow, La Follette said.
Off topic: Speaking of liberals, Jarrett has been a busy beaver trying to bribe states taking on that ‘eligibility issue.’
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/is-ob...
Screw’em! The democrats wouldn’t hesitate.
There is so much crying going on in WisConSin that the Mississippi River is turning salty.
read this, quite interesting.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/congressman-john...
Kind of proves the birther issue for me !
Truer words my friend….have never been spoken.
One Congressman having an epiphany is about as earthshaking as Charlie Sheen having an orgasm.
This ObamaNation of an economy will end up being the liberal "gift" that really keeps on giving..
Lucky US…
HEY LIBSTAINS…SUCK IT!
CHECK OUT OBAMA'S 3AM PHONE AT:
http://theantiliberalzone.blogspot.com/
THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONE
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/117812168.html
A far greater expert than Joel has days ago examined the same arguments as put forward here. Although conceding that there may have been no strict breach of the law, he offers a legal opinion that raises a couple of issues that Griffiths either was unaware of, completely ignores, or purposely avoids.
Griffiths ignores Dreps' issues then throws out an accusation of demagoguery to those who would dare to raise a challenge to the WI Republicans! Ironically, considering that Griffiths posted this at Big Government, where he knows no one has the slightest ability to comprehend the legislation, this exactly fits Mencken's definition of a demogogue, "one who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots."
I love how the liberals scream they weren't given 24 hours to debate the bill when the issue was debated nationally for three weeks. The Senate Majority Leader even said he'd conferred with the chamber's non-partisan legal council before going ahead with this move, and the legal council signed off on the whole procedure. Go pound sand Soros-bots.
"one who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue"
"The effort to educate the uneducable is hopeless. Schools for adults soon become kindergartens for adults. The pupils are quite unable to take in the education proper to their years. The gogues thus have to provide them with amusement, just as children of four are provided with amusement in kindergartens. The hope is that they will somehow learn to think as an accidental by-product of playing, but that hope is vain."
Mencken is obviously someone who knows you well boi whore….
Even if Dreps' opinion weren't laughable on its face, you can forget all about any lawsuit arising from these arguments. Any judge hearing such a suit would also be bound to consider the inevitable counter-argument that the extremely short notice and such tight security would have been unnecessary were it not for National Socialist Democrats' efforts to thwart the legitimate conduct of business in the Wisconsin Legislature at every turn. How would such evidence get into the record? Why, that would be at the insistence of the prospective defendants, who would be more than eager to expose the extent to which Comrade Calamity, his OFA henchmen and his union goons were pulling the strings from behind the curtain. Do you really think the Failure in Chief wants his involvement in this sorry spectacle – not to mention That One's contempt for a sovereign state's Constitutional rights under the 10th Amendment – exposed over a piddling open-meeting-law violation? Even the allegation of such mischief would be more than enough to sink his re-election chances, Skippy.
Don't hold your breath waiting for anyone to file that lawsuit. Even if an interested third party such as the newspaper association tries to do so, Richard Milhous Uuhhhbama will squash the idea pronto by issuing more threats… just like Nixon did before him.
Idiot.
And just what scrutiny do you apply to elected representatives who exit their own state in order to openly subvert the democratic process to the point it cannot function at all?
Dude, listen. Democrats lost in November. They lost again here, too. Rather than just accept it, they decided to "take their ball and go". Because of the antics employed these last several weeks, more people are pissed off at Democrats and union members than any support they think they have gained. Really, dude, tell yer buddies that continuing on this path does not help them, it only hurts them.
Continue if they must, it is their choice, but they should be warned that doing so will not help their cause.
Djmcs:
So you say Senators can violate their oath of office not to show up and represent their constitutents. Can you do us a favor and make a list of every law that we can break so we know what laws we can break.
The commercials I can imagine already. This is what you get if you vote Democrat:
Show a teacher with a sign that says give teachers a 10% pay raise with the teacher on the phone saying they're sick and can't come to work.
The announcer will say, "While you were struggling to keep your budget balance the Democrats didn't care. They only wanted more of your money. That's what they will do if you vote them into office again."
The Republican nominee for President carries Wisconsin in 2012. You can bank on it right now!
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
These people whining about the 24 hour rule didn't seem to care one bit that sixteen senators fled the state and weren't doing their job which is to show up and vote for their constitutents. In this case each one hurt the party because while the Democrats might win a lot of hard core districts the entire state including independents saw how stupid they behaved.
Wisconsin goes Republican for president in 2012. You can bank on it right now!
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
If even ONE State passes an eligibility law that obama can't satisfy, it's all over for him in 2012. It's unprecedented to have a presidential candidate decertified by a State. The story would rule the airwaves, and light up the internet.
If Jarrett can't shut down every State, I wouldn't put it past obama to create a "nuclear option" for holding onto power.
It was ok for Pelosi Reid and Obama to shove stuff through, flagrantly bending/breaking the rules, voting our sovereignty away in the dead of night!!!! In fact this Union "Collective bargaining" scam was probably passed at the stroke of midnight soon after it was first conjured up!!! The only difference is, when they voted, they treated the Republicans as if they were non existent, along with the civil society (Tea party), which feels it has been "Taxed Enough Already" to pay the exuberant wages of Unionized Public/Government employees/servants of the people, for the people and by/buy the people!!! How much are you willing to pay your servant, more than you make? Me Neither!!!
Yep, they'll scream for a while then it will fade away … The Libs have no staying power behind a "cause". Remember the Coffee Party???? Yeah, it has been relegated to a punchline.
Once Spring and Summer hit, the warm weather draws people away from their idiot boxes … and so will go any momentum they think they have. Fatard Mike Moron will be off to his next money making scheme.
I believe Charles Krauthammer brought up this maneuver. I really believe Walker knew of this, too and did his due diligence by having the 3 independent organizations thoroughly review every legal aspect of it. Once he got the "good to go" he pulled the string after leaving the Libs plenty of opportunity to come back.
Hopefully AZ will stand strong since he's jerking with them anyway, in court, about ILLEGAL ALIEN lawbreakers.
The best part of all of this is that the violence and mob rule and illegal acts of a bunch of bully
socialist Democrat thugs didn't work! …………..We WON! and there's nothing they can do about it that
will matter. . Now they will try all of their "dirty Union political tricks " and it just won't amount to a hill of beans.
They will become even more volitile and desperate while WE remain as calm and steadfast as Governor
Walker himself! What a courageous role model!
Now let the WAVE roll across America, State by State, until the Union Socialist Dems are impotent !
Ha. Did you see this one?
"Wisconsin GOP senate leader to Dems: You’re in contempt, so you can’t vote anymore"
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/14/wisconsin-g...
Great synopsis. What's that old saying? "Cut off your nose to spite your face"
Watch them whine that it was Walker's fault when they have to make the hard decisions down the road. It's like spending your money on a new car or clothes and then bitching when you can't buy food. Stupid people.
Gov. Walker has shown tremendous tenacity in the face of violent Union Socialist Dems, and so has
Rep. Peter King! This has been a great week for American Freedom! Long live The Tea Party type Americans!
Watch out, this WAVE of "taking our Country back" from Socialist Democrats: is going to roll right across
America and reach right into Washington D.C! Never underestimate the power of Americans who
see commies trying to ' Fundamentally Transform America ' ………..Not going to happen!
Hmm, perhaps the term "public servant" need to be reexamined?
The libtards gave our economy Herpes Symplex 10. "He should see a doctor before things start fallin' off the man".
–Beverly Hills Cop (Bad quality)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDhmm4GWE8Q
Gee, no I didnt see that one John. Thanks for the link, I can not stop smiling !
More like "Black gonorrhea"…painful…can be deadly… but curable with the proper medicine ( policies)
Yeah, this one gave me a nice warm feeling inside. Serves them right. The Republicans should pass every piece of Conservative legislation they can while the democrats have to sit through it all without a vote.
Don't know why, but this just came to mind all of a sudden after reading your post…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yDrtNEr_5M
Nice word play.
The title mentions ' Violate the open Meetings Law' which they did not, . BUT are they serious? Law? This
Administration has broken more laws than a prison full of criminals! We're waiting for the Impeachment
procedures to begin! A courple of years ago these guys would have beeb out of Office already! What's the
hold up? They've broken every law in the books!
You are most exactly correct…the House MUST be held…!!!
All other considerations are rescinded…
The 'servant' part is seriously outdated.'Publicly-funded non-workers' is more accurate.
The Senate wouldn't convict The Obama, may scorn and abuse be heaped upon his head…
So, rather than exhaust ourselves, let's just concentrate on throwing more DIMocRATS out of the government in 2012, including the Pretender in Chief…
2012…I get all warm and fuzzy just THINKING about it…!!
Which means they have a quorum to pass the fiscal part of the legislation….
Since Djmcs11 is a regular troll here on the Bigs, does that mean that according to his claim "no one here has the slightest ability to comprehend the legislation" that he too lacks the mental power of reading comprehension?
What a tool. Useful idiot as well…..
They try to intimidate US with PC and racism threats.
The only racists around are in the White House. Didn't obama say that 'Repubs can come along but they have to sit in the back of the bus' THAT IS A RACIST STATEMENT from our President to one of his Partys!
And didn't Holder say "my people" and that "white people haven't suffered enough yet" Videos are a great piece of evidence! They are the racists! not us. So we have to stop the "PC" and the Religious tolerance. Why?
Because they are using it against US to intimidate us from demanding justice. They're black. So what. They __still need to show cause for a long list of actions.
Start with the ObamaCare. How about that they reported the United States to the United Nations!
How about that Obama enlisted 11 Foreign Countries to help him sue Arizona!
How about Bloomberg NY, sticking his mosque loving nose into Arizona trying to stir up trouble __about guns. Doing Obama's dirty work much?
Bloomberg is starting up businesses in the Middle East. Do you think maybe he and Obama like Muslims? and hate Arizona? any connection there? I report, you decide!
Ok If you think it will work. There are 3 things that make me worry about him being around to run for 2012
1- They have a great Socialist gound game. Colleges and all of those socialist organizations… Unions too.
2- They have been collecting voting blocs: Latinos (meeting with Jeb Bush) Illegals, Blacks, Welfare people, Women (today's radio address. That was his topic & everyone was wondering why he didn't talk about Japan) Duh. He's trolling for voting blocks. Hollywood, Cal, NY, etc.He's "cool" to the young crowd and they are indoctrinate morons.
3- They STEAL elections because WE HAVE NO PHOTO VOTER ID REQUIREMENT. and I don't see anybody making a motion in Congress to give us Fair elections! ……Reid…….Reid….They steal elections!
DO YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN'T PURGE OUR ROLLS OF DEAD PEOPLE? The Dems like it that way.
Straw man. Go away, kid, and work on your blog.
The only one around here who ought to be in mortal fear of open flame is you, Tall Prairie Grass.
Oh, and YOU'RE the troll who dropped the dookie into the punch bowl. So don't let the door hit ya where the good L-rd split ya.
And they've always had that…but it isn't getting traction this time around…
We had over a million march on Washington…and the sanitation department had nothing to do after they left…
The Socialists took over Madison, and left expensive damage in their wake…
While people work futilely to balance their household budgets, unions demanded no reductions…in fact, they attempted to bleed taxpayers for even more money…
Matthew 7:16 is in full operation here for everyone to see:
"You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"
That's not been noticed before like it is now…
And states and the House are cutting these Socialists from their number one important tool…everyone else's money…
That's funny. Why isn't your blog talking about the biggest story happening today in the world? Do you guys want to talk about it? Let's just get it out there in the open. Nuclear reactors in Japan are in the process of melting down. I know we're all praying that it doesn't get worse, but will conservatives take this opportunity to admit that nuclear power isn't entirely safe, and perhaps even (gasp!) give credit to liberals and Obama for having doubts about nuclear power?
Isn't this a great time to discuss how many government regulations are necessary to protect human health? Like safegaurds for nuclear power plants, building codes for earthquake zones, and monitoring systems for natural disasters?
How does your conservative ideology of 'all regulation is bad' explain how important these particular regulations are?
Since Japan got hit with a devastating disaster, all the liberals can say is "this means we have to increase govt !!"
Massive regulation doesn't help much if it means shutting down large numbers of business's, factories, etc. The northeast and California, especially, have been choked by heavy regulation from liberal govt's in those states, plus Washington over the last few decades. Now the left is killing off some of the world's most productive farms in CA to save a fish that's still dying off (nice job). What other farmland will be 'returned to nature' ?
If you don't like nuclear power, ok, but Obama is trying to shut down everything.
Intelligent, reasonable regulation would be nice, but that's impossible with liberals who demagogue everything.
Mostly you didn't respond to my comments about nuclear power and safety regulations. Do you support safety regulations or not?
You need to stop thinking about government in terms of bigger or smaller. No one wants a big government just for the sake of being big. We just want goverent to work to achieve certain goals like safety and clean air. Both of these things cost money and have important benefits that are difficult to quantify monetarily. Businesses benefit many people by providing goods services and employment, but they also utilize many public services and therefore have a responsibility to the public to not threaten safety And the environment. If you disagree with how that balance has been struck that's perfectly reasonable, but always framing the debate as the size of government means you always advocate for fewer rules. Clearly fewer rules is not better in all cases so why not advocate for better rules instead. Then we can make progress towards common goals rather than constantly argue polemic that doesnt account for the complexities of the real world.
I generally agree with what you're saying here, we need better rules, not just more or less.
As for nuclear power, of course it has to be well regulated, since it can be exremely dangerous. Safety regulations, building codes, etc. are necessary.
In my opinion there's been too much heavy-handed regulation which has done more harm than good. Other people could find places where more regulation would be beneficial. Overall it's a matter of 'quality' not 'quantity', and that requires constant evaluation and adjustment, and there hasn't been enough of that. More science, less politics and emotion.
It's in the rules? But, but, that's not right.
We are on a Political Article, Kenyan12.
There are many, many news articles about the Nuclear Meltdown problem.
We had an incident at 3 Mile Island, and no one, not one person was killed.
My Governor Walker did his homework, and they "corss-examined" all of their works, before the legislation was ready to voted on.
This news report is exactly correct. I live in WI and there was much controversy about this meeting situation.
The AWOL Democrats do not have any "Legal Leg" to stand upon.
"If BO wins in 2012, this country is way past saving…… "
Too many people have sacrificed too much for us to give up even if Barry is reelected.
They haven't broken any laws. The unions "spin it that way".
The lst "law" that was broken, was for the Democrat Senators to go AWOL and leave the State. Those Senators are to represent their Districts, and vote that way.
Doing the recall election thing is a waste of time and resources..because the elections would probably come out the very same. However, The Democrats may suffer more losses and seats in the Chambers.
Get a free copy of our Founding Documents in booklet form, from http://www.heritage.org
Get a copy for your older kids, too; as the school system doesn't provide that to them.
Or WI Constitution is susposed to be the very closest "model" of our U.S. Constitution.
The Democrats, and the Protesters shut down our Government if ineefect for about 3 weeks. Is that against the law?
"Why isn't your blog talking about the biggest story happening today in the world?"
While I can understand why liberals would want to avoid all discussion of what the extortion they are committing in Wisconsin, you should accept that not ALL discussions have to be about Japan.
There are plenty of places to comment on what's going on there.
The lst petitions we use, my little group of friends, is to pray Psalms Chaper 91.
The other prayer is Psalms Chapter 109, which is a bit more harsh on the Enemies of Freedom.
We want our Nat'l Blessings returned, and that can't happen until we restore ourselves to His Moral Conditions.
Our Rights came from God, and those Rights have limits…
Goood report, my friend. I live in West Allis, WI and finally got a fresh, "Divine" wind in my sail again.
The State Employees and their union is a monopoly. That's the crux of the situation. They have no competition, ok; so that's why I label them as a monopoly and how can we negotiate with a monopoly? We can't
The workers have no choice over which Health Insurance to use. They are foreced to use WEA Trust insurance company. This company is Owned By The Union and they earn a huge profit with their arrangement.
I have not yet proven the following statistics, ok:
The WEA Trust charges the State about $28,000 per year for the family plan, health insurance.
Blue Cross/Blue Shield charges about $13,000 per year for the same thing…WEA Trust is literally gouging everybody, and might be a RICO Offense!
It was a record…Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK, den, der-hey, aina hey…Yeah!
I believe one or two of them have been apprehended…LOL
So is Lake Monona…
It will mean that Spooky Dude's Shadow Republican party has taken over and given us another McCain to vote for. In response to this, there will be a third party candidate that will split the vote against Obama…..
One of the first things that the re-elected Obama will do is give all the illegals amnisty, and after that, it's all over…..
If that happens, we'll enter the age of Neofeudalisum, where the cultural elite will rule and we'll just be subjects of the New World Order….
We have to do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening…..
because, trust me, my friend, our very lives depend on it…..
The Dems don't care about rules when they don't meet their needs. So now that they know that the GOP didn't break any rules what next?
If the 14 WI senate democrats had not run away like cowards had stayed and fulfilled their duty this would not be an issue. Trying to blame this on the Republicans will not work. Remember, elections have consequences.
Walker leads to a great future…the death of Govt Unionist Thuggery and Crime.
This is all very amusing, that is, watching Dumbocrats and their Unionistas. They scream from the mountaintops that this isn't fair, they had no time to debate, they had no input, etc….
No time for debate? They didn't know? Come on… Why did they leave the state? They leave for 3 weeks BECAUSE they don't want to have ANY vote on legislation, which they obviously have knowledge of, otherwise how would they know they were for or against it, and they claim they have no time.
Dumbocrats had their 3 WEEKS to debate this and possibly put in their two cents. I think Republicans would have been willing to work with Dumbocrats on at least some things, granted, not the overall purpose of the bill, but they gave that up by acting like a bunch of Spoiled children who lock themselves in their room when they have a temper tantrum.
That is exactly what these people, i.e. Dumbocrats/ unionista morons, are… SPOILED CHILDREN. And they have socialist union and political leaders telling the spoiled rotten children that they are going to take 5% of your toys away, or better yet, that you won't get that 1 new video game you wanted this year, which means they are trying to take away all your toys, your toy house, your bicycle, your X-Box and everything else until you have no toys left. Bunch of whining babies!!!
I actually lost my house because I got very, very sick with Pancreas and digestive problems which caused me to lose 100 lbs. And live in total agony. I could not work o matter how I tried to struggle through, and I Lost my house. The unions, Dumbocrats and even Jesse "the J-off" Jackson say they want to destroy your family and take away your house…. Yeah, by what essentially amounts to a 9% pay decrease because you have to pay an whole extra 5% of your retirement and a whopping 12% of what is undoubtedly the best healthcare money can buy… Besides that of politicians, unionists and Jesse Jackson types that "represent" and "support" them.
They're destroying workers rights? Afraid of the working conditions of 100 years ago? How stupid are these people? Like we would go back and remove child labor laws, or maternity leave. These are just SPOILED ROTTON CHILDREN that are throwing a temper tantrum because they got a cut in their allowance because they do a bad job.
Let's not forget that 2/3 of 8th graders in Wisconsin CANNOT read at an acceptable level.. Great job Wisconsin Teachers! You say you're protesting for the children??? PLEASE!
PROVE IT. Oh, you can't, that's right. Spoiled Brats…
I understand but as long as I'm breathing I won't give up. I think we owe it to those who went before and may have faced more difficult odds.
Love it! "take their ball and go"… Acting like the spoiled brats that they are.
I also seem to remember President Jimmy Obama saying, after the 2008 election, something to the effect of, 'We won, Republicans lost, were going to do what we want". Just paraphrasing.
Elections have consequences, and the last election, whether you like it or not, was an historic, ENORMOUS win for Republicans, Conservatives and Tea Partiers. What does that mean? It means the American people WANT them tondo what they say, NOT what Dumbocrats want. It's that simple. We won, Dumbs lost. It's not bragging or power grabbing, it's what elections are for.
The American people saw Dumbocrats spending trillions of dollars on garbage we don't want, so we voted them out and replaced them with people that actually use their brains.
Anyway, how else do you expect a Spoiled Brat to act? The Wisconsin Dumbocrats, unions and teachers definitely showed the world the meaning of the word: RIDICULOUS.
Those of us that won't give up, will be likely insurgents in the battle to restore our Representative Republic….
You mean like Reid and Pelosi did to get Obamacare passed?
Doesn't really matter. Walker is finished.
As is Kasich.
The key operative as we have discussed before is, restore. Insurgents disrupt and foment angst for status quo. If communism becomes our status quo then call me insurgent. I refuse to allow that to become our future so…I will prefer the term patriot. Founding principled, Constitution guided, conservative patriot.
We are already considered insurgents by the powers that be…..
any resistance to the rise of NWO Neofeudalisum is considered a threat to the new staus quo….
They can call me anything they want to and I bet there are some yet to come. One thing for certain, it won't be quitter and they will likely become worse before they get better.
your sound is Unionism dying…I love the sound of a UnionBot turning inside out…LOL
Walker leads to a great future…the death of Govt Unionist Thuggery and Crime.
Newbie here. Wondered if anyone has heard whether there may be some angst or waivering on the part of three Rep senators due to intimidation or whatever, and that is the reason why there has been no move toward a revote. Anyone with details?
Joint Rule 27 does not conflict with §19.84, both would apply.
This was a joint meeting, not a senate one, so Senate Rule 93 would not apply.
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