ITS OFFICIAL! Herman Cain’s Campaign is Done-Stick A Fork In It!
by Jeff Dunetz
Herman we hardly knew ye. On first hearing about Herman Cain’s candidacy it was exciting. What a resume, good on the stump, conservative ideals, worked for the federal govt but really became famous as a business executive who turned around companies in trouble…heck he saved Godfather’s Pizza and I love pizza, that alone gave him extra points in my book.
Cain showed so much promise, he was good on the stump and was even better during the first debate, but now his campaign is dead, he may not know it yet but all that’s left is for it to fall over. The cause of death is the same as so many presidential campaigns before him, known in the Latin as Bardus Superstitiosus Orationes (stupid bigoted statements).
The first hint that Cain’s mouth did not have a self-control switch is when he announced that he would not appoint a Muslim to his cabinet. Now a president’s cabinet is supposed to act as his closest advisers, and he should be able to pick whoever he trusted most to fill those positions. But making a public claim that he will pick his advisers based on religion even if it were true, showed problem with his brain’s “Warning You Are About To Say Something Really, Really Dumb” switch.
Cain seemed to back off that original statement last month, he started saying that he would appoint Muslims as long as they stated their loyalty was to America. He supported that by saying he would make that same loyalty judgment about all of his appointees, no matter what the religion. Something that sounded reasonable if it was the first thing he said, but coming after the “won’t appoint Muslims at all” comment, it seemed hollow. As long as he didn’t make the same mistake again the Cain campaign was still alive.
But sufferers of Bardus Superstitiosus Orationes usually find a way to become repeat offenders, and Herman Cain is no different.
This weekend Herman Cain was interviewed by Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday. The former Godfather Pizza Executive doubled-down on his opposition to a mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, and he showed a disturbing lack of knowledge about the first Amendment to the constitution.
“Our constitution guarantees separation of church and state,” said Cain. “Islam combines church and state. They are using the church part of our First Amendment to infuse their mosque in the community and people in the community don’t like it. They disagree with it. Sharia law is what they are trying to infuse.”
Cain makes the same mistake that the ACLU types every year around Christmas. There is no Constitutional separation of Church and State. This is what the first amendment to the constitution says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
See not there! Whether you agree with the ACLU that there should be a separation of Church and State or not, any first year law student should know the original reason for the religion part of the first amendment was to keep the Federal government from trying to control religion. Many of the individual states already had an “official” religion, and the founders were worried about the Federal Government supplanting that local authority.
Like many Americans, I have a problem with Muslims who wish to make Sharia law public policy, the civil rule must take precedence over everything. However Sharia law being observed within the context of a Mosque is allowed under the Constitution as long as that law is subservient to civil law. Remember the amendment is supposed to protect the religion from government, not the other way around. Constitutionally the above statement would also be true if the words Sharia law were removed and Halachic Law (Jewish religious law) was substituted. It does not mater of there are parts of fundamental Sharia Law are particularly brutal as long as the government enforces the fact that a particular code of religious law is subservient to civil law no one will be allowed to be brutalized and everyone’s right will be protected.
So Herman Cain is wrong about the constitution here, and even worse that little speech filter failed him again. But Cain wasn’t done:
CAIN: They could say that. Chris, lets go back to the fundamental issue that the people are basically saying they’re objecting to. They’re objecting to the fact Islam is both a religion and a set of laws, Sharia law. That’s the difference between any one of our other traditional religions where it’s just about religious purposes. The people in the community know best, and I happen to side with the people in Murfreesboro.
WALLACE: You’re saying any community, if they want to ban a mosque?
CAIN: Yes. They have a right to do that. That’s not discriminating based upon religion.
We are supposed to be protecting religion from government. Despite his protestations Herman Cain is saying the Mosque is not allowed to be built because it is a Muslim place of prayer. If Murfreesboro wants to ban the building of the Mosque, could a different community be allowed to ban the building of a Synagogue, Catholic Church? That is simply not allowed in the American Constitutional system. I am not an expert in the Murfreesboro case, there may be a very valid reason for stopping the Mosque construction, but Herman Cain did not present one on Sunday.
And even worse for the Cain campaign, when paired with his earlier faux pas, Cain was beginning to look like a real bigot.
Here’s the real confusing part. Corporate America today his the ultimate home of political correctness. During my last stint working for “the man” at Viacom, there were regular sensitivity classes for sexual, racial and religious discrimination. Not only were there classes but there were memos, booklets, hats and special meals at the company cafeteria. The most important lesson the onslaught of training tried to impart on the employees was it didn’t matter what the person who made the statement meant, it was only important how the person who heard the statement took it. It makes one wonder how the hell did Herman Cain make it through the Corporate world without learning to keep his mouth shut? It’s scary that the guy has never learned to guard his tongue against making insensitive comments.
For those of you who think Cain’s lack of a quality control speech filter should not hurt his nomination chances answer this. If Cain can’t control himself when talking about Muslims or any people who may be different, but people whose votes he wants, how can he control himself during difficult negotiations with China? Or Russia? Or Saudi Arabia?
Here’s another question for those of you who like me, feel that belief in the founder’s vision of the Constitution is important for the eventual nominee, if Herman Cain does not understand the founders intentions behind the First Amendment, doesn’t it make one question his knowledge of the rest of the constitution?
Today Herman Cain gave his reasons that Mitt Romney could not win. His first reason was one of the primary reasons I would have problems supporting Romney during the primary season, Romney care. The second reason was very troubling, Cain doesn’t believe a Mormon can win in the south.
Forgetting politics for a moment, this is the same country that just three years ago did what most people though was impossible, we elected someone who was half African-American as President, an event that as an African-American who has faced discrimination much of his life, Herman Cain should appreciate. Is he now using religious discrimination as a reason Romney should not be nominated?
If Herman Cain’s campaign was not dead after his discussion with Chris Wallace on Sunday, its dead now and quite frankly it deserves to be dead. After showing much promise, Cain has shown a total lack of verbal control; a failure of basic political skills.
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He talked right past "a sale"…. cardinal sin for sales people when presenting their products and say way too much and then lose their client's interest.
Yeah, as far as I am concerned, his affiliation with the federal reserve automatically barred him from my list. He was done before he got started.
Paulson, Bernanke, Geithner et al, I think Americans would be better suited if we got all of the banksters, lawyers and millionaires out of the picture.
I was for him at first but he definitely lost my support after seeing his severe case of foot in mouth disease and confusion on many issues. I could care less about political correctness, but you definitely need tact when dealing with other leaders and Cain showed very little of that.
Cain is saying what desperately needs to be said. It's nice someone has the balls to say it.
As usual, the Big contributors missed the obvious point.
Islam is not just a religion. It is a set of rules and codes and behaviours which must be followed to the letter. It is not a religion in the same way as any other religion. That's why the distinction can and should be made.
Should every cult that calls itself a religion be allowed in every community?
I like Herman Cain. He's a good person. His main mistakes were speaking what was truly on his mind, of which translated into political destruction with a vulturous MSM.
Sorry, Dunetz, but you have the diagnosis of his affliction wrong.
He suffers not from Bardus Superstitiosus Orationes.
He suffers from Speakus Truthiness Orationes.
I still like Cain probably due to the fact that he has the brass ones to say what he thinks. It may not be appropriate speak in our present, docile, and PC society; but he has every right to speak his mind. Additionally, he is more than likely saying out loud what many Americans are thinking. And, yes, people have a right to build a church or whatever one wishes to call the edifice, and under the guarantee of free speech other folks have the same right to oppose it. How does that adage go again? Ah, yes. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it unto death.
Cain lacks any foreign policy experience…that's something you HAVE to have to be a leader…#1 reason why Obama is a complete and total FAILURE!!!
Sigh….Cain needed to take lessons from Heddy on the CSI Los Angeles show. DO NOT LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING. Keep it to yourself until the time is right and you have the power to execute your agenda.
Osamabama learned it from his mentor Frank Marshall Davis and on the dirty streets of Chicago while high on dope.
BUT I do agree with Cain.
Some of you people (Jeff Dunetz) want Politically Correct Establishment Politicians every Election…. and yet you same people (Jeff Dunetz) want a different result for the United States of American than has been the case for the past few years.
You (Jeff Dunetz) are the definition of Insane.
You need to find a new Blog to Post on…. Try HuffPo.
Cain NOT sufficiently Politically Correct.
BUT
You gotta know the rules if you're gonna win the game.
He has missed a few points, but hey, who hasn't.
He is still 1000 Times better than the IDIOT we have now.
Noted online predator Dunetz/Gridney now advocates puncturing a black man with a utensil or a farm implement.
Precisely.
With all due respect to the author,
"The second reason was very troubling, Cain doesn’t believe a Mormon can win in the south."
THAT, is not a bigoted statement.
THAT, is a fact.
I have always admired Herman Cain, he doesn't have a problem with calling a spade a spade and letting the chips fall where they may.
Personally, I would rather have a plain spoken president. There would be no doubt where he/she stands on issues.
I liked Cain when he announced, but that was his peak. Since then he flubbed about the Palestinian issue on FOX (has he done anything but FOX?), quoted the Declaration and attributed it to the Constitution (common enough), but he's failed to make any good impressions since his announcement. I understand his going for the top job first thing, but it's not going to work out for him.
Throughout this country cities prevent churches from being built. In our armed services Muslims are requesting to be released from serving due to conscientious objector status.
Herman Cain may not be articulating his views perfectly for a campaign for President for the RINO crowd. Herman Cain does add views that need to be discussed and I hope he stays in the race.
Could Herman Cain be more polished "Sure" and so could every other politician. Just ask Mitch McConnell and John Boehner about being more polished or should I say about these two more RINO UNLIKE!
Herman stay in there, you will get your political sea legs and show these RINO's a thing or two.
Perhaps Muslims, Mormons, etc., who applied for work at Pizza Cain will now lawyer up.
I consider myself an honest person. I don't lie, cheat, or steal. I also don't walk up to my wife and mother-in-law at brunch and say "You know ladies, you might want to put the Danish down for once and stick to some fruit" I think Mr. Cain could learn from this example.
Roger that.
Cain is better qualified in all areas than that teleprompter addicted, empty suit, and talking head wandering around in a daze within the oval office.
I couldn't disagree with this column more.
First of all, you owe Cain an apology because he NEVER said he wouldn't appoint a muslim — he was asked if he would be comfortable appointing a muslim and he answered no.
As would a significant portion of the USA!
Secondly I LIKE his honesty and fresh approach. Since when was it a sin to speak your mind in America?
So, Andrew & co., where is Retracto for one of your own pieces?
And Jeff, I will no longer read your columns since clearly you've now sold out.
Classic case of "Sounds good at first, but let's see how it plays out" Well, I'm glad to get this stuff out of the way and cull potential problems.
Now, I'm starting my countdown to when the Liberal mouthpiece media starts in on the, "See, the Republicans are racist and have chased one of the few Black Republicans from the Presidential race."
Don't quit your day job Cain, go back to the pizza place that was given to you after it was busted as a mafia drug distribution front.
Trying too hard to please his Israeli controllers.
Cain/West 2012 anyone?
Jeff Dunetz: I think your article has merit, but clearly you don't understand the phrase "It's Official." I was expecting to read about the "official" shutdown of the Cain campaign, and now I'm regretting clicking on your article, an opinion piece, at all. You remind me of people who say things like "It's literally 1,000 degrees out there!"
No it's not.
It's a reason, but I don't think it's the #1 reason. I'd give the fact that he's a Keynesian that distinction.
I also note that you failed to mention just what they want to build there. It's NOT just a mosque – it's a fricken university sized hunk of land where they want TOTAL Sharia Law with ZERO outside legal and law enforcement.
The locals don't want that.
I'm with the Locals and Herman.
A very sad commentary on America when an honest man is no longer electable.
Who is the bigger Bardus Superstitiosus Orationes? Odumas or Cain. I'll gladly take Herman any day.
Obama said that asthma could be cured with breathalyzers, that Austrian is a language, that the U.S. has somewhere between 57 and 59 states, that West Virginia is closer to Arkansas than Illinois is, that Iran is a tiny insignificant country followed by, 24 hours later, saying that it’s a grave threat, that the Selma civil rights march somehow made his parents beget him three years before the march, that president Bush’s response to 9/11 made Hugo Chavez get elected three years prior to the attack of the towers, that 11 people dead in Kansas is ten thousand dead, who claims his uncle liberated Auschwitz, which would come as a big surprise to the Russians unless his uncle actually served in the Red Army (which would actually not be all that surprising), and that our Corpsemen, they bring a knife to a fight you bring a gun, etc. etc. etc.
Nobody has to "ban" any religious type from building…. just put enough red tape and permits and bureaucracy in the way. That how things work in PG County Maryland. My parents' church sold their building and need to build a new, tho smaller one… So much red tape, permits, licenses, flood plains being changed AFTER the plans were filed, regulations, etc… Made it so the church had to sell the property they bought to build on and leave the county. They had to buy an already existing structure in Calvert Co. Md because the area has made it dern near impossible to build a new church building. I remember this cuz my dad said it all had to do with the Tax-exempt status churches get. That the counties & by extension the state don't like "losing" the tax revenues from the land, so they make it incredibly hard to build.
The WEST is done-for IF they keep thinking the cancer of IS-SLAM is a religion. Wake-up, it is a barbarous cult that destroys everything it touches. We need leaders who see the TRUTH and will not double speak about this threat.
Cain speaks the Truth, therefore he's done? Jeff the Dunce has it all figured out for us? How convenient.
I like Cain, he needs to stay in this race, because surprise endings are becoming common around these parts.
Picture it:
October Surprise 2012, Americans in the know revolt and Cain/Bachman slip into victory. Sweet!
That's what the LameStreamLibMedia has been doing for decades. That's why we can't get decent people to run for office. Most don't mind an @nal on their own lived, but the LSLM will do that to their entire family – aka – Gov. Palin.
I have two ex's, and there's no way I could run, because even though I've NEVER broken the law, I've had bad credit, had a car repossessed, even bounced checks from the first ex. Yes, I've taken care of all those things 20 years ago, but I wouldn't even want that kind of attack on any of my extended family.
But then, I'm NOT a Dem where they would be off-limits. Sad, isn't it!
"Cain is saying what desperately needs to be said. It's nice someone has the balls to say it. "
Soooo true, and that is all I wanted from Cain or Trump, say what needed to be said. At least he put some of the truths out there.Thanks Herman.
Are you trying to be funny or proving how ignorant you are?
You SO nailed it! That is exactly what they will do.
Islam is against the Constitution.
The Constitution is the law.
Islam is against the law.
Cain is right about Islam. Stick a fork in yourself A-hole.
Come on Comrade is a killing machine , even if it's because he wants no new terrorist in GITMO.
Noted online troll RedTamponOfLies once again soils us with his incoherent, idiotic ramblings.
So, Cain announced he's no longer running or is this just "official" amongst the idiotic Breitbart bloggers and sexual predator set that Dunetz/Gridney speaks for?
I often hear people say Cain or West would be effective against obama for the obvious reason.
They are wrong. The left are the most vile racists out there (KKK was all Democrat).
Cain and West would be crucified (or should i say, it would be a 'high tech lynching' as Clarence Thomas said of his hearings).
We must listen closely to the rhetoric as the truth will be in there. I almost wish that a non-political would enter. One does not have to have had a career in politics to understand how it works. Foreign policy is reasonable to comprehend for someone who has been attentive and perhaps traveled some (former military or government service). Economics can be complicated but again a reasonable understanding can suffice. Most important though is the nations best interest and the ability to assemble the proper team to exercise those interests.
Exactly– and I see nothing in Cain's statement about Islam that I disagree with. Islam is way, way more than just a "religion"– it is a THEOCRACY in direct conflict with the First Amendment– by default, its leaders attempt to establish it AS the law of the land wherever they are allowed to set up shop– and we have been literally fighting against such "establishments" ever since the creation of the song with the words "from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli……"
Well, you could run as a Democrat and be a spy………then, after you drive them all baths!t crazy, you announce that you're changing parties. That would work for at least one election cycle, if you run for Dog Catcher. But, you're right that higher office would be out of the question. Very Sad.
At first i thought Dunetz was being sarcastic.
But then i saw that it was just a silly attack on Cain for being honest.
He may not be electable, and maybe even said something stupid when he said that he would not have a Muslim in his cabinet, but in no way should this disqualify him. I doubt Dunetz would pick a Muslim as one of his most "trusted advisors". I sure wouldn't, unless that Muslim recognized the reality that the religion as it is practiced in most of the world in incompatible with American values.
Cain has some great qualities that other do not have including with love of–and success in– free enterprise and his plain spokeness.
If Cain's campaign is done because he told the truth about Islam, then so too is America done. Now, if it is because he told another truth inadvertantly, well that is another story. His opposition to Islam is not the problem here. Let me explain.
See, Cain is right about Islam. Religion? Well it is often called that, but it is far more than that. Cain is correct about it being a system of societal laws, unquestionable laws, dominating and "at the top" laws, disguised as a religion.
Baseline Islam is incompatible with American governance. This isn't a Cain claim of opinion, this is fact right out of the Koran and Hadiths themselves. Anyone taking the time to read them will see that plainly. ( I often say that the Koran needs a new testament. But islam itself forbids that very thing.)
This produces a serious dichotomy for any American subscribing to Islamic faith. In order to subscribe wholly and faithfully to Islam, one would be at odds with the very core of the Individual Liberty this country, and especially its government, is built around. In order to subscribe to the American Way, one would have to set their religious tenets aside. When religion and government are at odds, and it is impossible to remain faithful to the religion when setting it aside, well, Houston, we have a problem.
Freedom of religion means that governmental office holders are neither required to nor compelled to set aside their religious beliefs. So too is it true that position cannot be used to impose specific religious tenets into law. The simple fact of the matter is that the instant a faithful Muslim attains office, the enemy within has taken his seat at the table of governance. This is not to say the mosque comment wasn't an example of hoof in mouth disease, it was, but it was not Islam that made it so. Islam had zero to do with the inadvertently admitted transgression.
Big Government attitude, DEMOCRACY overriding inalienable rights, is why. Zoning control over private property is the fork within his campaign this day. It is one thing to say a Muslim cannot faithfully serve Islam and the American way at the same time. That much is true. A person claiming to do both is lying one way or the other. But to say a mob can vote out the private property rights of some they disagree with is straying from the American way- especially the conservative and libertarian way. THAT is where Cain's mistake rests. There exits a right to build a Mosque on private property and no amount of vote or government interference is tolerable there. Yes, folks can voice opposition and yes, folks can also build gay bars next door as a disincentive, but using the vote or government machination to impose it is well, as anti-American as baseline Islam.
I don't disagree that his campaign is toast, just the reasons stated in this article for why.
This author would be well served by realizing that there is no such thing as a Muslim who sets aside Islam as subservient to anything but Sharia. The writing about if they set it aside it's all good is pie in the sky wanna-be utopia that does no exist. See Taqqiya for the reason why!
Be Muslim, have at it! Just understand that certain things being true means that other things are true as well. We have too many LIARS in government already, adding more, especially those tasked with lying to further Islamic domination, is the wrong path to follow. The wrong path indeed.
I completely agree with Mr. Dunetz. Its insane in the America of 2011 to claim that Americans are so filled with prejudice that they wouldn't support a conservative because of his or her religion (on a related note, I think Romney's problem is the shakiness of his conservative credentials, not his religion).
Also, there are aspects of Islam I take issue with, but the government (at any level) shouldn't be in the business of picking which religions are acceptable and which aren't. Before people tell themselves 'Hey, its Islam' they should bear in mind the costs of putting that decision making power in the hands of government. Would one want a liberal area to have the power to veto the creation of Catholic churches because the Catholic church opposes gay marriage?
And when the 'locals", like say in Dearborn, want to vote out the building of a church? What then? Think it through dave, please think it through. How about this – build the Mosque, but understand that the Constitution of these united States WILL and ALWAYS WILL apply. How about that?
i am thinking more along the lines of Palin/West.
You are correct about Islam – I call it a Cult – a VERY big cult.
But here –
"But to say a mob can vote out the private property rights of some they disagree with is straying from the American way- especially the conservative and libertarian way."
You are wrong. A Local Community can do EXACTLY that. In fact, it's actually SUPPORTED in The Constitution.
Talking through the close. I hadn't seen Cain's lack of filters in that light but you are on spot.
I submit to you that putting inalienable rights, in this case private property rights, to a vote is an example of what a rino is, not how to stand up to them. And that is what Cain did here. Such a violation is what DEMOCRATS believe in as a power and authority of DEMOCRACY. A trait of a republic it is not.
As I replied to your other post – a Local Community CAN do that.
It's SUPPORTED in The Constitution.
I agree with everything you wrote there Cowboy. I am interested in your take on what I wrote below about this situation on the private property rights front. Sometimes, chips fall not in one's favor and I submit that what I wrote is an example of that happening to Cain. Thoughts?
So was Nancy Pelosi hitting Americans over the head with a big hammer as she strutted to the Obamacare vote?
Troll busting is almost too easy anymore.
Titles of Nobility is something our Framers toiled to avoid. We have much work to do in that department today, no doubt about it.
Exactly and on-target!
CBS Morning News
Herman Cain is exactly right about Islam. The only sin he committed was telling the truth. Apparently, America can't handle the truth!
I like Herman Cain. He speaks truth without fear. His lack of foreign policy knowledge could be rectified with eight years as Vice-President …
BTW. Jeff. have you learned from the comments that you might have gone too far with your criticism of Mr. Cain?
I would suggest that The Bigs add Thumbs Up and Down for the story as well. I believe the author is wrong and the headline was very upsetting, unless you are announcing that Sarah is in.
I am still on the Cain Train and I hope he is able to get some good people on his team raising money.
Mr. Cain wouldn't be comfortable appointing an organization that is unapologetic and actively engaged in terrorism (islam) and points out that LDS doesn't have a huge presence in the southern states. Is being honest and stating the obvious your idea of making a mistake Mr. Dunetz? I can attest to the legitimacy of Mr. Cain's statement about Mormons in the south as I am a member of LDS. I do not support Romney, Huntsman or Reid because it is against my sense of decency to either support or attack another based on their race or (espoused, but not practiced) religion. Herman Cain is honest, that is why I like him. I do want to stress that islam is a political organization using religion as a front to exact global terrorism, now and historically.
Just like the GZ Mosque, the one in TN is being funded by Saudi Arabia. Once it is built, the financiers find someone, usually from the Muslim Brotherhood, to run its daily operations. From there, the Sharia, hate, and violence begins.
At least his mistakes won't leave us with Andrew Cuomo by default like Carl Palladino's did. It goes hand in hand that he thinks the federal reserve is a needed government institution.
I'm willing to trust Mr. Cain with the presidency for the simple fact that he has led a major corporation from the brink of bankruptcy to profitability in a short time. That kind of experience is hard to come by and cannot be bought. With Con. West as veep, he could be the attack dog that keeps everyone else at bay.
I would follow Con. West through hell knowing that no matter what, everything he did was to 1. accomplish the mission and 2: have my ultimate best interests at heart. There are too few real leaders with those qualities.
btw: I think that with a Cain/West ticket, the left would expose themselves for the racists they really are. They would be hard pressed to convey the TEA party as racists if they were nominated.
Look up the meaning of Statute of Limitations.
Cain is a good amn in way over his head; he showed in his FOX interview with Chris Wallace just how far out of his depth he was.
Mr Cain needs to bone up on his knowlege, hone his craft, and get back in the arena…
Mr. Cain realizes that islam is not the same as Christianity or Judaism. There is no moral equivalence. Mr. Cain is to be respected for knowing the danger of islam and for not giving it equal standing with Christianity.
Dunetz, that's what you fail to realize. You said: "However Sharia law being observed within the context of a Mosque is allowed under the Constitution as long as that law is subservient to civil law." When has sharia ever been subservient to the Constitution? It will always, always, always be in direct conflict with freedom. It is not possible to separate the violence and hate of islam with its so-called religious aspect.
You said: "If Cain can’t control himself when talking about Muslims or any people who may be different, but people whose votes he wants, how can he control himself during difficult negotiations with China? Or Russia? Or Saudi Arabia?" When has Mr. Cain attacked a group of people such as the Chinese? Mr. Cain criticized islam and said that he wouldn't be comfortable with having a muslim in his Cabinet. Muslims are not a race of people. There are Chinese muslims, by the way.
You said: "[I]f Herman Cain does not understand the founders [sic] intentions behind the First Amendment, doesn’t it make one question his knowledge of the rest of the [C]onstitution?" He may lack polish, but he seems to love the US and love the freedoms here. He comes off better than any RINO, including Romney. And he's certainly more qualified any Obama.
I agree with the premise as soon as being honest disqualifies and paints one as "a failure of basic political skills" is exactly the counter-productivity that keeps the bad guys in the drivers seat.
A little surprised with the attacks on Cain.
It's not like a Junior Senator ducking and hiding from the fact that THE Assistant Attorney General Theresa Edwards and her colleague June Clarkson were forced out of office for investigating mortgage fraud.
As we fret over church & state, Jeff, the bankers continue to get away – literally – with murder. Ahhhhh. But the Latino Guerilla Warrior continues to fight NO BATTLE. He's clean though. And articulate. WHoopie!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok…I basically agree with Herman. I don't want any muslims in our government either! All the pc crap is just killing us in our tracks and is a barrier to success in the world market. Get over it liberal cry babies…you have no value to offer, your nothing but a parisite on the American economy.
I wish Herman would primary oblabby instead of running as a repub…that way we could move the overton window to the right and he makes oblabby look like a fool. PLEASE HERMAN PRIMARY OBLABBY
So is Judaism. In the town I grew up in there is a community of Orthodox Jews that had the zoning laws changed so they could run a piece of string around the telephone poles in certain parts of town so that they could break sabbath and go shopping, and the city paid for it. Just like Judaism not every Muslim wants to live by such strict rules, in fact those numbers are few in both Judaism and Islam. Give it a rest.
Breitbart's sites – and I'm not complaining, just stating a fact – have had puff pieces about Perry, Palin and Bachmann while largely ignoring non-interventionist candidates like Cain, Paul, and Johnson.
Honestly, I'd rather have someone who doesn't know the Constitution but upholds it rather than someone like Bachmann who takes percocets for her migraines – that a separate report confirms she must lay down in the dark for sometimes – but votes to let the Department of Justice use taxpayer money to abduct and arrest cancer patients legally taking medicinal marijuana that helps stimulate their appetite, while claiming to be a Constitutional Conservative.
I'm sure y'all will thumb me down but Cain has FAR FEWER goofy, scary or inaccurate quotes than Bachmann. Is her campaign done?
It's not really some right-wing blogger's job to decide when Cain is done.
I'll bet Jeff could do a better job though? Yeah, right.
I don't know about that, Mom. I don't think we've had one president since Eisenhower that really had personal foreign policy experience. Besides, it's unrealistic to expect experience in all the fields a president is expected to address.
"Should every cult that calls itself a religion be allowed in every community?"
Well, yes.
Exactly who would you say is smart enough to decide if my religion is legitimate enough? You? You think you deserve to sit on a panel and tell me if my religion is good enough to be allowed into your community?
It's your view that is unamerican.
We recognize peoples' right to worship freely in this country.
We have legislators and courts to prevent unconstituional laws — such as many sharia-derived laws would be — from making it onto the books.
We do not have the right to exercise prior restraint, violating peoples' freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly to advocate a political order we disagree with.
If those people commit any illegal acts, prosecute them, but it isn't illegal to build a church, gather and say that I believe the U.S. should be governed by the laws of Christ, Allah or the Klingon God of War, nor to petition my government to enact laws that I want.
Even if I'm petitioning to enact unconstitutional laws, I still have the right to petition — it's the legislatures' natural function to refuse to implement them, and if the legislature fails, the courts' function to invalidate them.
And, in agreement with the freedoms we cherish in this country, the proper place to fight them is to refuse to allows their laws and theories to be implemented in the legislature or validated by the courts.
It is their RIGHT to establish places of worship and speak their minds about Sharia, even if they're wrong.
Once you go down the road of setting up anyone — local or federal government, zoning boards — as arbiters of acceptable belief or speech, you are going down a very dangerous road, and one that has been well-trod in many socialist countries, ultimately to the detriment of beliefs you probably want to protect.
Don't be surprised if the law you advocated today to ban a mosque is used tomorrow to ban a church.
Giving government that power is a terrible, terrible wrong.
I'll take your submittal under consideration
It's very clear that the author knows nothing about Islam, much like millions of Muslims. Muslims are required to lie to further Islam, are required to convert, enslave, or kill non-Muslims, and are requried to establish a one-world Islam nation and government. Not putting them into his cabinent is a start. Next, he should put them into jail or deport them. Whle the constitution protects religion from the government, it appears we need an amendment to protect the government from religion.
Peace will come when the 1.5 Billion followers of the "Religion of Peace" are martyred.
Okay, so when the religion whose sole purpose is to kill you moves in next door, don't blame me.
Again, what Cain said, and what I agree with, is that Islam is NOT a religion in the traditional sense. Muslims have every right to practice their religion, but they do not have the right to impose laws or behaviors. So when their religion is all about imposing laws and behaviors, where does it end?
Show that support please. Inalienable rights, which property is one, are not subject to the will of the majority. If that is the case, and I am wrong about that, by all means educate me. And then you can show me how a community can ban guns and speech and command for warrants, and jury trials and and and and and and and.
So let's see it. Go ahead and make that case.
"Throughout this country cities prevent churches from being built."
Citation please?
If the churches are being rejected on religious grounds, that is a terrible evil, and a legally actionable event.
What he said about Romney is true. He lost last time and he will lose again for the same reasons.
Twice you say that, twice you fail to demonstrate it.
Waiting…..
You are right about that Rick!!
You (and maybe they) are mixing two separate issues.
First, no one should be able to stop them from building a mosque on their own land. That's their right in America.
Second, nobody can demand immunity from local, state and national laws on their land. I can't demand it on my 90-acre farm any more than they can on their mosque compound. They don't have a legal leg to stand on if that's what their asking for.
If honor killings and wife beatings are going on there, then they're just as subject to the laws against them as I am on my farm. I can't just tell the sheriff "Sorry, my religion allows honor killings on my farm, woman had it coming!" and expect them to say "OK, sorry, our mistake, we didn't know your religion said that." and walk away.
There's a difference between allowing people to construct places of worship and speak, assemble and worship freely, and allowing them to flaunt the laws of the land.
Good job, dope.
I wont make the case, but I will point out that LOCAL communities already have the right to ban sex offenders from living with a certain distance of a school because they pose a danger to the children of the community.
So the question I pose is, if the Mosque is breeding hatred (it will be), is it not too a danger to the community? Therefore does not the community have a right to ban it? Why is this any different to sex offenders? And please don't say "religion" — what will you do when perverts start hiding behind the guise of religion?
Then you are not an honest person….Because of that lie you cheated someone of knowing the truth and you stole from them the ability to slap you over the head for being an idiot…..The truth hurts …..but an honest person would still say it……just not in a demeaning fashion…..there is a difference….
Agreed. I have always liked him for his conservative principles and his candor. He still has a future and I wouldn't count him out just yet either. He has the integrity to say he was in error and re-establish the appropriate narrative with meaning and not just speech.
It's becoming obvious Big is promoting Palin. She's their candidate. Bachmann and then Perry probably after in that order.
Heaven forbit there be a Presidential candidate that actually says what they think.
At least we all knew where the guy stood.
Can you really say that about ANYONE else running? No, no you can't.
I love the way he didn't hesitate before speaking, no one else does that. It's a shame.
Ash,
I wholeheartedly agree with what you wrote here.
The MSM is intent on shaping and framing the candidates.
Quite frankly, I am surprised that Mr. Dunetz is buying into what they are selling.
I'm not.
Place this in your search engine:
church building rejected by city
Had 27,500,000 hits in google.
Religion grounds are not what many cities will state. So if that is your point so be it. My point is cities have and do reject Church construction. Size and scope have a lot to do with it. Tax exemption are sometimes the reasons.
Impact on the city are sometimes the reason, and this Mega Mosque has an impact issue for city planning. Not always social planning.
Place this in your search engine if you truly want to be informed on the local concerns:
mega mosque tennessee
Nah, now you are just fear mongering and trying to convince us that every single Muslim is an extremist.
The bottom line is, what exactly is the difference between a Christian saying "I believe this country needs to adhere to the values and standards put forth in my holy book" and a Muslim saying "I believe this country needs to adhere to the values and standards put forth in my holy book"? There are plenty of fundamentalist christian candidates who say things like "We need to make America a christian nation!"
Yeah Sharia law is pretty bad, but the fact is it's does not exist in the USA and any attempt to make it sound like it is "creeping up" on us is crazy.
And don't try to say Islam and Christianity are that different. There are PLENTY of things in the bible/within christian law that would make us step back as much as making women wear a burka.
Well ,this is too bad. My ten year old son got a picture with Herman Cain. he loved the guy.
I hear Ron Paul is running.
"Despite his protestations Herman Cain is saying the Mosque is not allowed to be built because it is a Muslim place of prayer. If Murfreesboro wants to ban the building of the Mosque, could a different community be allowed to ban the building of a Synagogue, Catholic Church? That is simply not allowed in the American Constitutional system. I am not an expert in the Murfreesboro case, there may be a very valid reason for stopping the Mosque construction, but Herman Cain did not present one on Sunday."
Where were you when the BIG sites were posting all of their articles about banning the Ground Zero Mosque? It's coming along nicely by the way.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ground-mosque-wins-legal...
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