The Obama-Dodd-Frank-Everything’s-A-Bank-Bill
by John BerlauLiberal pundit Michael Kinsley once defined a political gaffe as an instance of a politician accidentally telling the truth. House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., recently made a gaffe that fits Kinsley’s definition to a tee.

In a debate with Ralph Nader on MSNBC’s “The Ed Show,” in which Nader was accusing Frank of being too timid on the financial regulation bill then moving through the House, Frank responded, “We are trying in every front to increase the role of government in the regulatory area.” Conservative blogs took note of Frank’s use of the word “every front”, as did Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), and earned a brusque “tsk- tsk” from The New Republic’s Jonathan Chait.
This is an example of “the conservative misinformation feedback loop in action,” Chait exclaimed. Frank was only talking about banking, Chait claimed, and “not confessing to a plan to expand government in every area.”
Actually, in prefacing his comments, Frank moved the topic from Nader’s point about derivatives to the broader issue of how “the right wing took control of government and ruined it” and how it is supposedly benefitting from its “own incompetence.” But if one still doesn’t want to take this as Frank’s confession of wanting to increase government intervention “in every front,” one need look no further than the bill by Frank that passed the House in December and Chris Dodd’s Senate “financial reform” bill that Democrats are trying to ram through the Senate.
In the debate, Democrats never tire of accusing Republicans of siding with “Wall Street banks.” But last week Republicans made headway when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell pointed out that the bill $50 billion resolution fund would institutionalize bailouts for big banks, whether these banks failed themselves or acted as creditors to too-big-to-fail institutions. Even an editorial in the Washington Post stated that “Mr. McConnell is partly right” and that “creditors might fund systemically important firms on artificially advantageous terms, thus enabling them to grow bigger and riskier.”
But the same editorial wrongly asserted, as many have, that “Wall Street would provide the $50 billion fund” entirely. Putting aside the fact that taxes on any firms are always passed on to some extent throughout the economy, the fees for this fund would come from the broad category of “financial institutions” defined by the Dodd bill.
I previously wrote in BigGovernment.com that this category will likely include home and auto insurers, such as Geico, Allstate and State Farm — relatively stable firms that had virtually nothing to do with risky bets that led to the financial crisis. But now, experts looking at the bill’s language see that the bill’s specific coverage of “nonbank financial companies” could mean taxation, regulation, and even possible nationalization for a wide variety of Main Street businesses, who would suddenly find themselves under the direct supervision of the Federal Reserve Board, the bill’s designated regulator for “systemic risk.”
“The legislation … gives the Federal Reserve power to regulate any large company in America.,” writes Gregory Zerzan, former Deputy Assistant Treasury Secretary in the Bush administration, in the Wall Street Journal. “The current proposals for “financial” reform are stalking horses allowing government intervention into virtually every facet of the U.S. economy.”
The 1,336-page Dodd bill — called the “Restoring American Financial Stability Act” — defines “nonbank financial company” as any business that is “substantially engaged in activities in the United States that are financial in nature.” Note that there is no requirement that these firms actually be affiliated with a depository bank or a broker-dealer.
As Dorothy Coleman, vice president for tax policy of the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM), has noted, the bill could have clarified matters by using the tighter phrase “predominantly engaged” in financial activities. But instead, the Dodd bill’s “covered companies are defined as those with ‘substantial’ financial activities and the Federal Reserve Board gets to decide who falls into the definition.”
Coleman wrote that U.S. “manufacturers that engage in routine financial activities as a small part of their main business, e.g., a global manufacturer that manages a foreign exchange trading operation, an equipment manufacturer that provides financing for customers, are concerned that they could be pulled into the systemic risk regulatory regime, drawing needed capital from their businesses and imposing new administrative burdens.”
And Zerzan noted that “financial activities,” as defined by the law the Dodd bill makes reference to, could “include things non financial businesses do everyday like extending credit to customers and holding downpayments on deposit, or even managing a company’s own investment portfolio.” According to Zerzan, the Fed could turn IBM, Wal-Mart and Boeing into “financial” businesses.
And once these businesses become “financial,” the Dodd and Frank bills give the Fed virtually unlimited power over them. This includes the specific power to seize, or nationalize, them if they are deemed to be too much of a “systemic risk.” An Obama administration white paper from last June called for the government to have “broad powers to take action with respect to the financial firm,” including “the authority to take control of the operations of the firm or to sell or transfer all or any part of the assets of the firm.” The Frank and Dodd bills largely follow this directive.
The bill’s broad definition of financial company was apparently one of the reasons that Sen Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who has become the media’s favorite Republican on this issue for his efforts to seek compromise, has so far not come to agreement with Dodd and signed on to the letter of opposition from all 41 Republican senators. To his credit, Corker told the Washington Post’s liberal blogger Ezra Klein that “the biggest issue is narrowing what the Fed is able to do,” and that the Fed’s new authority should “clearly, solely to apply to financial institutions.”
But just after saying that to Klein, Corker immediately reverted back to “get along” mode, saying: “I think the rhetoric has been overheated, and I’ve cautioned against it. Little words mean a lot here.”
Words do mean a lot, but given the boiling that the bill has in store for Main Street businesses, the problem isn’t that opposition rhetoric is overheated. It’s that the lukewarm criticism is not nearly hot enough.






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an oldie but a goodie;
Via email to: Rep. Hall, Appointed Sen. for NY, Sen. Schumer, Pres. Obama
Washington DC
January 20, 2008
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Yertle:
I am concerned that the manner in which the federal government is operating is eerily like how the Krupps munitions factory was still billing the Nazi’s – after Hitler committed suicide. Benjamin Franklin once remarked that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing, and expecting different results. The congress has passed bailouts, and rescues, and soon a, stimulus package, all in an empty effort to save the Republic from the financial malfeasance of governments small and large. If they failed to work in the past what reason do you believe that they will work in the future? It appears to me that the solution is obvious. Forgetting financial reality for a moment. In a given year the US economy generates 10 to 15 trillion dollars. I say why wait for the year to pass. Next time all of you are at your respective posts pass a bill to print $12.5 Trillion and disperse it. At least that way we will all know who is getting the money.
Obviously, however enticing, this idea is absurd. Is it any more so than one insolvent institution, the US Government ($2 Trillion running deficit, $12 Trillion in debt), giving another insolvent institution, US Banks(Bloomberg news service reports $4-$5 Trillion required to re-capitalize them, at the current rate of loss), money it does not have anything to back it other than more debt, and a beaten up taxpayer? With ink so fresh on the bonds that the Communist Chinese government has yet to collect the interest on it? I fail to see the wisdom in how creating a smaller hole in one spot, and a bigger hole in another will ever do any of us any good. This philosophy has not worked in the past and it will not work in the future. The evil economic stew we are cooking has been brewed before, and it will taste just as bitter this time.
When Ronald Reagan took the reigns of this nation in 1981 we were in far worse shape than we are in today, a large portion of our military qualified for poverty assistance, a business owner could not breathe without the governments permission, inflation was sky high, unemployment at double digits. Unless we do the right thing now we will be there again, rapidly. Our economic problems today are manufactured by our own fiscal malfeasance – there is no shortage of food, energy, labor, or capital. What we have too much of is the heavy hand of government deciding who gets what, how much, and when via a complex set of regulations and tax policy. President Reagan, to the largest extent possible, ended that madness, and while the 80’s were no picnic, that decade created 20,000,000 new jobs, strengthened this nation so we could carry on in the future, and we brought most of the world with us as a lucky strike extra. The economic lesson of the 80’s is that freedom and economic liberty are viral, and the only antidote for it is big government – this is something we have forgotten or chosen to ignore. Up to now President Obamas rhetoric has been the antithesis of this pro growth philosophy. Mr. Obama thinks that a combination of targeted tax cuts, welfare, and government make work projects are the cure for our ills. To do this Mr. Obama will need more bureaucrats, and add more legal and fiscal complexity to meet his goals. I reject this economic cure and its implementation. Remember, what the government gives to one it must take from another. How does the government know that the capital or wealth it is redistributing will not be used for a much wiser purpose then the one it has ordained? It doesn’t. Like an alcoholic in a bar, the government drinks without accountability, and spends the monthly mortgage payment on whiskey without forethought, and hurts everyone it claims to care about. Remember these thoughts as you create the next seemingly free government give away; someone has to pay for it, that someone will be our children, their payment will either be in gold or blood.
This insanity of printing, borrowing, and misallocation of capital must stop. No country on earth has ever borrowed, spent or taxed it’s way to recovery, let alone prosperity. War and Depression? Absolutely. If this economic cancer is allowed to metastasize we will once again be pushed as a nation into a choice of not whether we should or should not do something, but whether or not we can. The “stimulus package” legislation all of you are considering is nothing more than economic suicide.
Respectfully,
I am just really looking forward to the damned "R Bonds" and seizure of IRA's and 401K's. That is more than enough to gag a maggot.
Industry beware.. If you think you can buy them out. You are wrong. You need to side with the tea party movement.
It is not now, nor has it ever been up to the government to restore financial ability, let alone takeover any industry. None of this is constitutional. My suggestion to these institutions is to fight like hell, because while you may get the government to bail you out, you won't get the customers regardless. The American people are keeping score, we are watching. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, which means you can't make us do business with you no matter how many slush funds the government creates.
Freakin Dodd and Frank the poster boys for ANTI-AMERICAN – anyone who doesn't 'get' it at this point, you are completely lost and we can't afford to waste a moment trying to educate you – this totalitarian government is out of control!!
Good will overcome evil, it always does and always will ~
Castro passed a number of bills designed to "regulate and stabilize" the cuban economy….just before he nationalized everything.
Dodd is just worried about his 'legacy,' what happens when people find out that it is actually helping Obama and Goldman Sachs. These are straw-men because people are so upset with the health care bill. Will people forget about the health care bill corruption before the next election. Hopefully not, either way there is a great investigation coming from the right about this new bill: http://www.americanparchment.com/library/financia...
I repeat:
Why aren't Dodd and Frank in orange jumpsuits
enjoying 3 hots-n-a-cot courtesy of the Federal Penitentiary?
Everything's a bank then everything gets bailed out.
http://www.PoliticalCentrist.com News and views for independent voters
Bush’s Treasury formed the concept of bailouts, not Obama. Bailouts are an albatross around the neck of the right, not the left. The investigations and trials of Goldman executives will bear this out, and the case for firm regulation to protect against fraud and other shenanigans will be firm. As for legislation getting “rammed” through (what is it with this site ane it’s obsession with things being “rammed?”), Republicans are obstructing, they are refusing to back even their own proposals, and just as was the case with health insurance reform, they will be left holding the bag. I will say it’s awfully sporting for you to offer to mix your own cement shoes on your way to permanent irrelevance. Hope it’s not too much trouble, remember we on the left are only too happy to assist you on your way.
Please do not tell Obama this. He has the "hots" for Castro.
In November Dodd will be gone and Frank will be neutered by a GOP landslide. Then the work begins, we will roll up our sleeves, tell our government what to do and start rebuilding the foundation again…..
"Good will overcome evil!" The evil we have seen has been our wake up call to take back our country….counting down the days!
Sure you want that? Remember the CIC has so far avoided taking action to give Bush and Cheney an all expenses paid tour of The Hague.
Totalitarian? Are we a nation of laws or not? Please show me the overreach to support your desperate hyperbole. Moreover show me one person harmed by "totalitarian" tactics since Obama has taken office.
Stop the Right VS Left crap, they all are in on it. The Career Politician is what's destroying America. Term limits: Two and out from Dog catcher to the White house! If the President is held to two terms why isn't everybody else?
It would "Fundamentaly Transform America" in a good way!
In reference to the comments about the Government 'taking over' 401k's….
That is a dangerous insinuation. First of all, the government has not called for 'taking over' anything. The idea is a national pool designed to help folks get better returns and therefore get a better retirement. Let's face it. As boomers now retire, we will have far fewer folks paying into SS. It only makes sense to look for other means to guarantee the security of the next generation of retirees. Lord knows, while I love my job and take great satisfaction on being a producer and contributor; I don't want to have to work forever.
So, rather than getting all panicked and beginning to irrationally fuel a fire with claims of 'take over' of 401k's: Let's first understand how a national retirement pool would provide better returns for all of us. Let's understand that while you might have a great 401k program, not everyone does. So, it only seems reasonable to pool what we, as a nation, have and make it better.
The whole idea is exciting! Only downside is, if I had known we'd eventually be sharing 401Ks, I wouldn't have started mine at such a high level so early in my career. Could have done something else with the money.
But, I'm sure folks that didn't start them early in their careers, or simply haven't been told by their employers or the government that they should have a retirement savings will benefit greatly from this pool. So, things will work out in the end.
tito = ANTI-AMERICAN
hi Stalin – you are another in a long line of ANTI-AMERICANS -
ha ha – yet another ANTI-AMERICAN!!
The Republicans in the senate CANNOT pass ANY financial reform bill!
IF they do, then the Democrats will pull the same game as they did with healthcare. The house will pass the same bill, then they will push through a reconcillation bill changing the initial bill into whatever they want.
Remember, these democrats know they will be voted out in November, so they simply have no reason to listen to the voters anymore.
Ironically, according to the standards set out in this bill, if the government were a business they would be taken over.
Pot meet kettle….
The true purpose of this bill is to gain, as it were, the "cooperation" of the financial markets, and to give Obama the power to decide who is cooperating. All 1200 pages of the bill can be reduced to this.
lol thats just stupid. like i trust the gubment to do anything correct. Do you honestly think I will let anyone tell me what and how to spend money. Stalin you indeed are an idiot. Touch my retirement and there will be hell to pay. I guess the money i pay into social security is basically wasted. The current regime will have their "come to Jesus" soon enough and if cap and tax goes through maybe before November. National retirement pool what a complete was of time. The current national retirement pool didn't work out so well. Why dont you take your commie self back to mother russia.
a brilliant observation. well done
One look at my tax bill shows me how I have been and will be harmed. When 47% of Americans pay nothing in Federal Income Tax and recieve benefits paid for by the other 53% how can it not be seen? How much debt is being foisted off on those yet to be born?
Why go for the pennies when IRA's and 401K's have much more money? Pennies will be confiscated in the future.
one person? how about EVERY taxpayer? the govt. bails out the banks and the auto companies, and WE pay for it.
Rory the house controls spending and approved the bailouts. I guess you missed the 2006 elections when lefties took over. You trolls will never learn and I am afraid you will get hurt for your stupidity. Do you really think the left is going to survive after obama? I hope you all love your 20 percent
o.k., troll. since they didn't commit any "war crimes" it would be kinda tough to send them to the Hague. that and the fact that the U.S. doesn't recognize the World Court.
Insinuation not at all. Once again this is an option to penalize those who do right to subsidize those who do not. I and many others perhaps you as well did without during our working years to set aside for our future. We passed on the consumism and instant gratification by living on less to prepare for our future. Why should we be forced to accept less in our future so that others once again can have more?
Last year Argentina did take over all private retirement funds and raised the age to get benefits to age 70. How is that equitable to the populace who prepared for the future? Who does this work out for other than the government and those who always stand with their hands out to take and contribute nothing back to society?
You are behind the times Stephen. I looked at the bill on Friday and it is now at 1700 pages. I guess Dodd found a few more friends he wants to get presents for.
Lest we forget Mr. Immelts role in getting Dear Leader elected. Obama certainly didn't.
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Yeah. Let's have the gov't set us up with a national system for retirement, something that would "guarantee" our security. What could possibly go wrong??
Exciting in the same manner as being in an airplane crash is exciting, Joe. You can't pool large amounts of money like that. The government will eventually roll it into the general fund and squander it. Just like Social Security.
Even if they don't, you just illustrated for the class why socialism fails. "if I had known we'd eventually be sharing 401ks, I wouldn't have started mine at such a high level…" and neither would anyone else, Joe. The entire thing goes to crap because NO ONE WANTS TO WORK FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S GAIN. You don't want to work if it only enriches the evil capitalist, and I don't want to work if the only person I enrich is the govt. bureaucrats or some clown that isn't working at all.
This is why capitalism works better than socialism, Joe. Folks are promised the ability to reap directly as they sow.
Tito
If you want to come on this site and issue a challenge then get an account
If you just want to come here and peek and read, fine, just don't ask questions.
A debate requires two sides committed to the discussion, as long as you are unregistered you are uncommitted..
You know, Rory, you can just say "It's all Bush's fault" without the extra bloviating. We're quick enough on the uptake to recognize that as your only contribution in that windy post.
You're beginning to sound like the "selected not elected" folks that kept chanting that crap after Kerry lost. Moveon.org does anything but move on, and progressives push to replace coal and oil with the very technologies that….coal and oil replaced.
You aren't the future, you're the dark ages refusing to go away.
That has to be one of the best understated satires I've seen in a long time: "They don't intend to 'take over' anything — just steal it and put it into a 'pool' so other people can live off your work."
Well played.
Joseph_of_Steel
Spare me your pious 'I want to do good for all people' spool of drool.
Each time the government manages the wealth of private citizens, the citizens are left holding and empty or near empty vessel. Remember the 'lock box' for Social Security?
Social Security was the governments brain child to protect the older population from being destitute in their waning years. You are required to put money into it your entire working life, so when you are old you will have a reliable source of income. So how is that working in reality?
My 401K will remain between me and the investor of my choosing. This person responds to me, unlike my Congress person or the CEO of B0A.
If you want to put your money together with a pool of like minded investors….it's called a Mutual Fund.
ps: If you want to share all you work for with all the other happy campers —-join a commune.
See, thats the thing!
I'd still be working for my gain.
I just wouldn't have started so soon, and, since i would have had more LIQUID income earlier…..I would have spent that money. Thereby helping the economy!
The whole thing seems to work out.
My only question: How can we guarantee that the govt will be able to pool our funds. I mean, I am sure that there are some scared/selfish folks out there that will say the govt doesn't have this right. How do we go about illuminating and ensuring that folks understand that the govt most certainly does have this right?
"How do we go about illuminating and ensuring that folks understand that the govt most certainly does have this right?"
The right to what? Assume ownership of your investment portfolio and dole it out to whomever lobbies hardest?
Abject concern-troll Quaalude-speak.
"Bailouts are an albatross around the neck of the right, not the left."
Yes, I'm sure the Left can "quit anytime it wants to — honest!"
So why doesn't it?
[...] is about one trillion, twenty-seven billion, eight hundred million dollars for 2009. In addition to the exorbitant costs of Medicare, Social Security, “foreign aid,” and the bailouts and recovery acts, this behemoth simply must be addressed, or else, as I have said before, the game is over. The current gaggle of whores in the District of Criminals are bent on further “regulating” the financial sector, which is to say soon-to-be-ex-senator Dodd is proposing that a new, “independent” regulatory oversight power be given to the Federal Reserve Board. I’m not kidding. [...]
Did you serve in the US military?
I did.
Did you fight overseas for America.
I did.
If you can't answer yes to BOTH of those questions, then stop slandering me with your lies. If you haven't put it on the line for this, if all you have done is get on message boards and complain about this and whine about that….then put a sock in it, sister.
Feel free to disagree with my politics.
Feel free to read my post, completely mangle what I say….and respond with something that completely is not what I said.
BUT, don't call me Anti-American when you haven't done what I have done for this country.
The only reason you are free to get on the internet and post the lies and hate that you post is because guys like me put it on the line for the USA.
Sheesh, I'd think YOU'D be thanking me.
Well, call it whatever gets you thru the nite. Mutual Fund. Government Allocated Retirement Plan For Pensioners Distrubuted Based By Need Not Contribution.
It doesn't matter.
The government has recognized that the Constitution forgot to provide for our retirement.
Now they are making it right. I thought Conservatives believed in the Constitution????
"so, we just take all of the people who did nothing for their future for the last 40 years, and we guarantee them a retirement income based on taking the money put away by people who were being responsible"
I think you have purposely oversimplified this.
Served in the Military….BS. Anyone can post anything here are your 'military' service NEVER came up. You are a lib troll and, by the sounds of it, a communist. Sure, share the wealth…the only problem is if the government will be able to do it correctly. Answer…NO, HELL NO! Give your money to the government if you want. There is a space on the tax return form to piss more away, if you like. I'm not saying you're anti-american…just plain stupid.
"Last year Argentina did take over all private retirement funds and raised the age to get benefits to age 70."he p
i) so, the precedence has been set
ii) with the advances in medicine, and now thanks to the access to those advances provided by the new health access bill; 70 seems like it might actually end up being a bit young to pull out of the workforce.
The government wouldn't be 'assuming ownership". Come on! You just make things up.
They would simply be guiding the investments and making sure it was distributed back to you in the most efficient and safest manner possible. What, you want it back all at once so you can blow on hookers and drugs?
i) do a search, my service has come up before. 1/8 semper fi.
ii) your assumption that only those that are closed minded right winged neo nazi serve in the military is misguided.
iii) can't wait til they take your 401k. the vision of you crying and kicking and screaming actually is making me smile. hell, i may just stop contributing NOW so I can spend more of yours.
They are looking for another source of taxes and fees. Those will be passed to the consumer.
The radicals have a passion for social justice and social engineering. They want to decide who is worthy of a loan. The biggest recipient of TARP money was GE Credit. Of course they are lending to the wind turbines and other warriors that are saving our planet from ebil pollution.
Oh yes. The Fed is out of favor with selling debt to China. If they nationalize the banks, they can demand banks keep reserves in the form of federal debt instruments. Just like they want you to have a good chunk of your 401 in treasury obligations. Taking over the 401's of course will let the co mingle socical security short comings and evolve to a national retirement plan to hide the plundering of SS funds.
Beat it, troll.
There he is!
The conservative intellectual equivalent to a pet rock.
Joseph_of_Steel
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Seems you did not read the poster you replied to.
The Government has already TRIED to provide for retirement—–That effort was called Social Security!!
A nice socialist attempt to force people to save for retirement!! You know those people too stupid to figure it out on their own. (Well duh! I can't work anymore so I have no income, what will I ever do?)
Before the government stepped in it was up to the families and churches to help them out. Now it is up to strangers.
The concept was that the money would go into an account and earn interest, being untouched for any purpose other than helping to support retired and/or disabled workers (who had paid into it).
So you tell me — what happened?
Is it working? If so, why do we need another such plan? If not, why would you trust the same idea again?
What is the definition of insanity again?
I wonder when government will confiscate the pennies on a dead mans eyes?
What I find ironic is the FED, which is owned by member banks, will be enforcing these regulations. I wonder whose interest helicopter Ben will be guarding. Last time FED manipulation of the interest rates caused a market bubble and crash of these proportions, congress responded with spiffy new regulations to prevent it ever happening again, odd how they didn't regulate the FED chairman, they instead made the banks out to be the villains. Here we are again with yet another epic failure of the FED, and congress again is quick to want to regulate something, anything, other than the one most responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent crash. My, how history repeats itself!
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so, we just take all of the people who did nothing for their future for the last 40 years, and we guarantee them a retirement income based on taking the money put away by people who were being responsible? great!! i guess i can stop contributing to my 401k now, cause the mighty Federal Government will take care of me when i retire!!
No, I'm serious. Beat it. No one cares what you think. That big fat red negative number next to your name was your first clue.
More to the point, your trolling…
"can't wait til they take your 401k. the vision of you crying and kicking and screaming actually is making me smile. hell, i may just stop contributing NOW so I can spend more of yours."
…is a perfect example of why collectivism you lust for fails as an economic system.
There's nothing for the government to "give back." It's already mine.
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On suggestion, please share the page #'s of the bill where you find those definitions. It'd help us out tremendously.
Social Security provides more than retirement. It is a social net providing for widows, for the disabled, etc etc.
Don't try to pretend that it was fully intended only as a retirement plan.
Also, I find your belittling the Constitution to be offensive. As a strict Constitutionalist/American Patriot, I can safely say that your Anti-American Constitution bashing is not welcom here.
Joseph_of_Steel
You have just outed yourself as a brain dead obozonut or a psychotic squirrel, joe joe of the tin foil hat.
Your claims to have served in the military sound hollow., your work history suspect and your intelligence absent. By the time you are old enough to get your share of the wealth of others, joey, it will be long gone. So wrap yourself in your damp dreams of distant glory and warm yourself from the burning of ideals you never held, the time is short and the end not pretty.
Do Not pass this $$$$$ Bill,"Dem-a Gogues" We The People (Americans)" will ""Win"" —soon—.
This is really dangerous stuff they're trying to do. I can't believe this is happening in America. This is going to be the nationalization of the rest of industry in America. Free market companies will not be allowed capital and they will die, and be picked up for pennies by friends of the Federal Reserve.
— maybe the conspiracy theories are true. The Federal Reserve is, indeed, a private bank and they'll have total control of the America economy?
I'm beginning to see what the other side of the iron curtain must have looked like.
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If you served in the miltary you didn't have any friends there did you?
Lady, you wouldn't know the sound of military service it bit you on your giant butt.
You know nothing of my work history, therefore, how could it be suspect? That is unfounded speculation on your part. Jumping to a conclusion without one iota of fact or evidence. The MO of an invididual incapable of clear thought.
It's amazing, folks like you are so incredibly predictable. The moment someone propogates a philosophy or point of view that differs from your own, you resort to insults and ad hominem attacks.
If you care to debate the issues: by all means, expose your insufficient interpretation of the facts and flawed logic. I won't belittle you. I will simply educate you.
Look, we can tell from your postings that you aren't exactly a deep thinker. And, more than likely, you don't hold the type of job that generates yourself much wealth; let alone anyone else.
So, please. Don't pretend your little 75K a year job is generating enough tax revenue to do anything but support what the government spends on YOU.
ah, your Anti-American rants are coming through loud and clear
You know, all of this ties together. In the past, we'd regard one specific issue having to do with one big stinking mess at a time. The big stinking mess of course being big government…it ruined the mortgage industry — when everyone had a "right" to home ownership, suddenly folks who worked less were getting homes they couldn't afford. When everyone had the "right" to an education, we got public schools and the teachers unions. Now, everybody has a "right" to health care — thus now getting a simple flu shot will be like standing in line at the DMV. The good thing about Obama is he literally makes Carter look like Lincoln. A lot of administrations since FDR have made big government mistakes. Because of Obama's ultra-socialism — along with Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, and Reid — Americans are more likely to look back and understand every small step towards a big government America and understand the importance of principles and the fundamentals of a free society. So long as we know to keep saying no to the "big stinking mess" known as big government, these other issues will take care of themselves come November of 2010 and 2012.
You are truly an ass Stalin – are you sure you aren't mika, or anon, you write such illogical shit it's stunning –
Hint, not all ladies have big butts, sorry that's all you can get in real life
and nobody and I do mean nobody here gives a shit what you have to say –
Anti-American – here's your sign
A strick constitutionalist???!! ha ha, surely you jest! You are such a freakin blow hard it's pathetic –
keep going Mr. Anti_American – you show your colors more and more with each post -
I don't believe anything bothers Obama unless it is our armed forces and the "astro-turf" so called. In other words – it appears to me that he is scared to death of Americans. If he had the sense that God gave a goose, he would listen to the people who love America. But I believe that he hates America and wants to destroy it in one great big hurry while he is still in office. Look out for a whole bunch of trator-like, fast-track,executive orders and international treaties that will take away our constitutional rights and that will completely destroy our country. When he gains that goal, he can hope be the first-class, world dictator he dreams of. However, he should remember those who are pulling his strings. When he/they, whomever they are, take control, Obama will be fit for one thing. . . "astro turf".
Yes, it's a serious troll or on serious drugs, or both.
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sure you did Stalin, uh huh – we really believe you – and truly what you stand for, or against really, IS
Anti-American – wear it with pride, you earned it -
Joseph_of_Steel
—————A Tale of Two People.———
Here is a hypothetical of how it works.
Mr .A. Citizen goes to college gets a PhD and goes to work. He works for 40 years. On average he contributes $1,452.00 a month (or $17,424 a year) for the 40 years he works = $696,960.00
At retirement Mr. A Citizen goes to the Social Security Office and finds–he is expected to live 27 more years and his check will be $2,151.00 a month. Sounds good, Right? Mr. A. Citizen gets to pull out from the system more per month than his average contribution (albeit for less years)
The problem arises when Mr. A Citizen finds out that someone robbed the 'system' and now it is operating in the RED and will go broke in 4 years, at which time Mr. A Citizen will have collected $103,252 of his $696,960 investment. (What happened to the rest?)
………Here is where part of it went.
Mr. B. Worker did not go to college, but instead started work as a laborer, honest work and ok pay for the times. He contributed an average $142.00 a month (or $1,704 a year). this would have increased over a 45 year work life. But- Mr. B. Worker, after 5 years of work, fell off a bar chair one night and shattered his knee. (Total contribution to SS at the time =$8,520) For the last 40 years Mr. B. Worker and his family have been collecting Social Security Disability. An average $1,200.00 per month ($14,400.00 a year) for a total of $576.000 payed to him over 40 years.
Both men are dismayed to find they will be out of luck in 4 years, but another question arises–what happened to all the interest that should have been building all these years?
Congress happened! They needed money for another project and 'borrowed' it from Social Security.
(cont.)
Now we have our two men facing a financial problem in 4 years.
Ah, but Mr. A. Citizen has an advantage…..over the course of his working life he has contributed to a 401K, which now contains $1,500,000.00. Mr. A. Citizen figures with careful management he and his wife can live out their projected 27 remaining years on the approximate $55,000.00 a year that will provide them.
Mr. B. Worker and his wife are not so fortunate.
But wait all is not lost for poor Mr. B. Worker—here comes the Federal Government, finding an error in the Constitution, a minor oversight on the Founding Fathers part. They did not provide for Mr. B. Worker. Surely they meant to!
So they will fix it. The solution is simple….Take Mr. A. Citizen's 401K and add it to Mr. B. Workers non 401K and divide it by 2.
Each family will now get approximately $27,500.00 per year (minus overhead costs) to live on.
—-Ain't Life Grand!…..Depends on who you ask.
The moral to this story is —Life Fast, Die Young and spend your money while it's yours!
Joe-joe
Your claims to have served in the military sound hollow., your work history suspect and your intelligence absent. ———This upset you?
Let me rephrase it…..Your claims to have served in the military sound suspect, your work history absent and your intelligence hollow. That better?
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"folks like you are so incredibly predictable. "
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… What type of folks would that be..producers?
"If you care to debate the issues: by all means, expose your insufficient interpretation of the facts and flawed logic. I won't belittle you. I will simply educate you. "
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……..ah, you are so kind and gentle. I however, prefer not to spar with unarmed opponents.
"Look, we can tell from your postings that you aren't exactly a deep thinker."
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…..Just who is the 'we' of which you speak? Is it the imperial' we' or do you have a mouse in your pocket?
I've noticed that 'anti-american' is your pat response to almost anything anyone posts that you disagree with now……well done…you've adopted the thoroughly progressive method of simply throwing out words with no meaning.
i) suspect to whom? you?
ii) what do you produce? do tell. that sounds like a thoroughly hollow talking point in itself. do you own your own company? then you aren't a producer.
iii) the implication of 'spar' is a mock engagement with either an unarmed opponent or an opponent who will not harm you with his armament. Promise, I won't hurt you my little friend.
iv) We: those of us that are true conservatives.
Actually, I've remained great friends with my former company gunny over the years. Also, the master sergeant who acted as a detachment NCOIC for a small deployment I went on has been a good friend.
I'll be sure to tell Gunny and Top that you said hi.
Someone must care.
'Cause someone (hint: it's YOU) follows me around and posts "anti-america' after all my comments.
So, I guess someone cares, eh, little bottom?
Well, your cut and paste got boring about half way thru……
So, the only take away I could glean from it is that you hate disabled people.
Nice.
Joesie-baby
Sorry for your apparent inability to follow a logical presentation.
Don't give up hope on yourself, as you grow up you may yet develop some intellect.
If that fails, maybe you will be able to receive a intellectual disability pension from SS.
I can, however guarantee you will not receive $.01 from my 401K.
Yes, there should be no doubt assuming there is a "knock-down-drag-out" fight over mega-expansion of Fed power, that this is a subterfuge to allow stealth monetization of our national debt. Also, we need to see Republicans pound the table for regualation of derivatives, so they can establish "street cred" as not being in the pocket of big wall street firms. Generally, Republicans are more sympathetic to small business interests than to large business. Having coverage over all forms of derivatives, even private label, custom and OTC derivatives would go a long way toward demonstrating that there is more going on here than just an effort to increase regulation. Meanwhile, if the Republicans do not get smart they will simply appear to be saying "No" again. Do not assume that everyone voting is as well-read as are those on these forums, or at the Tea Party gatherings.
Do not get overconfident. The GOP "can" have a landslide, assuming it continues to perform intelligently, and establishes that it has positions which would have prevented these problems. It is possible to campaign aggressively, yet not campaign with "cheating", or lies. The truth here, is that a legitimate need to oversee enormous, specially crafted "weapons of mass destruction" (large issue CDO, for example) can benefit from at least having an oversite regulator (the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 eliminated a nexus of oversite). None of these other things (the fund for bank liquidation, consumer agency, and related regs) are of any necessity.
It would be a great idea to emphasize that the foxes currently guarding the henhouse (Dodd, and Frank seem top candidates for this) had argued vehemently for not establishing early clamps on FNMA, and FHLMC, saying that they did not see a problem. This should get much more repetition than it currently gets.
Here is a great example of those harmed so far:
During the purchase and re-construction of General Motors, the Obama administration abrogated the bond indenture contracts with the GM bondholders. They provided superior contractual status to the workers and Unions at GM, as opposed to the contractual status of the bondholders. I have no doubt that the assumption was that bondholders are wealthy capitalists who could easily afford such reductions of status. The truth is that the bondholders are regular persons, many of whom are participants in employee pension plans, mutual funds and so forth. THIS shows that the nation of laws is under some stress. Yes, many engage in hyperbole, but the point is well taken nonetheless.
Also, in case you do not get the previous comment the BONDHOLDERS of GM suffered.
i) suspect to whom? you? –Anyone coming in contact with your braggadocio.
ii) what do you produce? do tell. that sounds like a thoroughly hollow talking point in itself. do you own your own company? then you aren't a producer.–Steve Jobs is not a producer?
iii) the implication of 'spar' is a mock engagement with either an unarmed opponent or an opponent who will not harm you with his armament. Promise, I won't hurt you my little friend.—Verbal sparing–and I am quite sure you are unable to harm me.
iv) We: those of us that are true conservatives.– Oh, a true conservative who wants larger government and less freedom–that kind of conservative? So you are an oxymoron!
i) saying I served in the military and have a job is braggadocio?
ii) LOL…you avoided my question. Anyway, jobs if a co-founder of Apple. That means he started up the business, and had (and certainly still has) some ownership. Not a good example, you only supported my statement.
iii) Probably right. You don't understand most of what I say.
iv) The biggest government in the world was Bush's. Better an oxymoron, than just a moron. Moron.
No. Didn't say I couldn't follow. Please re-read my comment.
I said the cut and paste you lifted and pretended that you actually authored was boring.
I don't want your 401K.
Sh!t, with your mid level job, it would end up being a major salary cut for me.
Thanks, Connie!
It does seem that Obama really likes the number 2000 for legislative actions, doesn't it?
Well most readers fall asleep and get really bored with reading dull stuff after a few hundred pages and then they can bury all the handouts and there seem to be a lot of them!
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