ACORN: Coming to an Illinois Voting Booth Near You?
by John BambenekWhen ACORN was caught stacking voter rolls with fake names leading up to the 2008 election, we stood up and took notice. Maybe an aberration, maybe part of a plan to undermine our system of elections. On Election Day, Black Panthers were inside a Pennsylvania polling station intimidating voters. They ultimately got off and the prosecutor who went after them was “reassigned”. Still, maybe it is simply coincidence. What if a high-profile state Attorney General argued that voters have no right to vote in secret?
I’m not talking about Card Check, I’m talking about the voting all of us do in every election. Consider the following words argued in Champaign County Court in Illinois by the Illinois Attorney General’s office headed by Lisa Madigan:
While plaintiff attempts to suggest to the Court that there is a fundamental right to a secret ballot, no such right exists. (bottom of Page 11 of pleading)
The Attorney General’s office argues that the United States Constitution, nor any fundamental right, protect a voter from being able to vote in secret. In effect, this means that it is only out of mere courtesy that the government doesn’t simply sit in the voting booth with you making sure you are making “fully informed decisions”.
The words need no parsing, read them for yourself. Lisa Madigan is no outsider. She is the daughter of the immensely politically powerful House Speaker, Michael Madigan. Michael Madigan is also chair of the Democratic Party of Illinois. When Blagojevich became a liability (after he was arrested), Michael Madigan saw him run out of town on a rail. The Madigans are the political power family of Illinois.
If they’re pushing for something, you take it seriously. And they’re pushing to take away your right to a secret ballot in Illinois. The matter at hand was created by a seemingly innocuous piece of legislation passed in 2007. The bill, SB 662, clocked in at almost 200 pages. A few clauses require error checking of a ballot. If you didn’t vote in certain races on a ballot, the voting machine will reject your ballot. There are many legitimate reasons to undervote (decline to vote in a particular race), first and foremost, because it’s your ballot and you should be able to vote however you darn well please.
The law requires the machine to reject the ballot and an election judge to come down and talk to you. At first, they’ll ask you to vote in all the races or to destroy the ballot and go home. At the election judge’s ultimate discretion, they can “override” the machine and process the vote anyway. But if you don’t vote in a way the establishment likes, you have an election judge standing over you (and your ballot) talking to you about it.
Seems minor, but the Attorney General isn’t saying this interaction violates the secret ballot. The Attorney General argues you have no right to a secret ballot in the first place. This issue came to light because a reform-minded Republican candidate for Governor in Illinois stood up to the Chicago-machine Democrats. Senator “Dede Scozzafava” Dillard voted to pass the bill. Another was too busy to vote, Senator Brady. Yet another was working for a city government last year who put armed guards in a polling station themselves.
Technically, the regulations (not the law) require the election judge to not look at a voter’s ballot. Of course, there are no real penalties if they do. With Chicago’s storied history of voter fraud, that regulation is a bit like asking a teenage boy to go to a strip club but not look at any of the girls.
The one things separating the United States from the many banana republics of the world that does have “voting rights” is that our elections have secret ballots free of voter intimidation. This statement by the Illinois Attorney General taken to its conclusion would allow ACORN workers to “help” voters inside the voting booth to make sure they didn’t make mistakes. Or worse, Black Panthers could handle poll security.
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Why would you have to vote in all races…maybe you do not like the people on the ballet or I have seen the two people to vote for were from the same party…..They never stop trying to steal votes
Please fix this. It's probably the opposite of what you meant.
"The Attorney General’s office argues that the United States Constitution, nor any fundamental right, protect a voter from being able to vote in secret."
Well the separation of church and State isn't in the Constitution. I guess we can only do what the left says is Constitutional.
Can you say "Scary as all hell."?
We should just have "THE CHOSEN ONE" tell the voters who to vote for and ACORN & the Panthers can help us! What's the beef? That would be way more Inclusive then just taking upon oneself the stress and opportunity to fail that voting brings. "THE CHOSEN ONE" could just decide and all of our problems would be solved.
You know there is a problem with your ideals when you plot to hide its real identity. And when intimidation is the method of education.
Quite frankly Chicago. Your mess. You clean it up. We are already cleaning up the mess WE INHERITED from you. Thanks for nothing.
Ironic that the city which gives us a model of transparency in the CBOE gave us this POTUS. I guess for 20 years Rev. Wright didn't carve out much time teaching options strategy.
There is no right to vote. Perhaps this could be used to keep people who receive any kind of welfare from voting?
The next Black Panthers that show up at the polls with billy clubs will have those clubs inserted in their Holebamas. We're not going to put up with that crap anymore, even if A-Holder gives them a pass.
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There's more of us than there is of them.
Being from Chicago, I ask: What's a secret ballot? The secret ballot in Chicago has never existed in primary elections. As anyone from Chicago knows, the "real" election is the primary election, especially mayoral. When I lived in the city and voted in the primaries, the Democratic precinct captain was one of the "judges" or so-called election monitors. Now, what do you think would have happened if I chose a republican ballot? Besides being a waste of time, do you think I would get my garbage can replaced or the potholes in the alley in front of my garage filled in? Not in a million years…
The Illinois Atty. General's daddy is the one who had true power in the state. Here is an article from the Tribune about Michael Madigan.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-100121-mad...
WOW! Even those in the position of power are in denial to what the law is. Let it be known, We the People do not need for AG Lisa Madigan to tell us what the law does or does not say! Ignorance is No Excuse and those in Chitcago are obviously IGNORANT! What a pathetic disgrace that the people in Chitcago would let an Idiotic Moran like AG Lisa Madigan represent them.
Isnt there so way WE THE PEOPLE can remove scum like Lisa Madigan and her corrupt daddy Mike from office? Pols like Madigan deserve to be treated like there pal, Khalid sheik Mohamhead
"The law requires the machine to reject the ballot and an election judge to come down and talk to you. At first, they’ll ask you to vote in all the races or to destroy the ballot and go home. At the election judge’s ultimate discretion, they can “override” the machine and process the vote anyway. But if you don’t vote in a way the establishment likes, you have an election judge standing over you (and your ballot) talking to you about it."….
Are you kidding me?? Is this still the United States of America or not??!!! This is pure b/s!!!
Hey, we have the same AG siding with Chicago arguing that the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to state and local government. In Illinois, there are not rights, just privileges……..wait…..
Welcome to the polls comrade! I see you failed to vote for the party candidate, please follow me down the hall where you will be given a few moments to appeal to the politburo for the commutation of your death sentence to life in the gulag…
Why should those on welfare be deprived of the right to vote? What part of being poor nullifies your right to participate in our democracy? I'm assuming that you misspoke, that statement is so horrendously unpatriotic…
Still stirring the ACORN pot I see ey John? Even after pimpdaddy got caught at the same dirty tricks that ACORN had accused him of… and even though ACORN has never been indicted for anything related to voter fraud. In fact, they are working with the prosecution in Ohio to convict people who actually committed fraud… what few they could find.
Guess you always need a whipping boy to blame when you lose elections. It must never be the voters rejection of your ideas.
Boy are you right-on…I lived in Bridgeport…and the Precinct
Captain would come door to door and pass out money to
get people to vote…Since I haven't been voting in Chicago
for 30 years, I don't know if it's still that way…My Mom owned
a business, and she was afraid not to vote Democrat for
fear they would harrass her..It certainly is a corrupt city!!
I don't think that A) the Black Panthers were there to intimidate voters, but rather to assuage any concerns that people would be wrongly denied the right to cast a vote… Personally I think that if you're not there to vote, or already have, it's time to move along. And B) you probably aren't going to see many of them at your personal polling place
Huh? There is nothing stating that the wealthy business owners receiving "government welfare" in the form of tax abatements and credits should not be allowed to vote so why should other recipients of government assistance?
Sorry, but it is. It's part of the First Amendment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_t...
Easy they can vote themselves a raise.
My name says it all, Mr. Stan. Lets Get Rational. Maybe you can explain what you mean?
Andy Stein said we see how they vote,we know their they live.
And what were the billy clubs for? Get real. I don't want to see any at my polling place.
Or maybe you didn't know about all the issues/races on the ballot in time to do enough research on them. Missouri has votes on judges that are often like that for me. I've never heard of the guy, didn't know he was on the ballot, and you want me to give an up or down on him?
You got a good point in regards to VA, NJ, MA the people overwhelmed the ability of the left (ACORN) to cheat, more coming in 11/10. Mik you are a faithful leftist defender usually wrong, but the loyal opposition non the less. Why would you defend a corrupt organization like ACORN?
No, it's not. The first amendment only stipulates that government can't make a law to establish a religion. There's a difference.
The leftwing cretins are nothing short of thugs. The black panthers intimidating voters should have been shot and the ACORN degenerates with fake ballots should have had their arms broken.
Eric Holder should also have his arms broken. Only in a stupid society where an economically illiterate community organizing leftwing agitator could become president could a two legged rodent with deep conflicts of interests become AG.
In Nov we have to stop this leftwing clown car before they take us over the cliff.
"When in doubt, vote him out."
If you don't contribute financially to the tax pot but derive your living from it, what do you care about how much government spends or what they spend it on. In fact limiting government and tax breaks become only a possible drain on your hand-outs.
If you have no skin in the game, then why should you vote to effect those who do?
It's not like those who would be ruled out of voting due to government hand outs couldn't reverse that situation by providing for themselves.
and even though ACORN has never been indicted for anything related to voter fraud.
You ignorant fool; are you chris matthews? There have been ACORN indictments in more than 11 states. Maybe you're Hussein just making up bullshyt as you go along.
I like being rational AND realistic. Billyclub=intimidation.
Like I said, I don't think anyone should be "milling about" a polling place. But I also think the stories of widespread intimidation are hyperbolic at best.
Based on prior experience, I'd say the billy clubs were for any racists that decided to try to close the polling place or unjustly knock people off the rolls. What neocons do with money and influence, the poor do with pitchforks and torches.
Well Mr. Rational, my comment needs no explanation.
I'm sorry, and you think that's different how?
Just because you disagree with my opinions doesn't make me wrong. You didn't lose both houses of congress and the presidency because of good government and great ideas. You lost because your ideas were applied and they failed. And if you convince voters to give you another try they will fail again… just like they have always failed.
Hate to rain on anybody's parade, but this "Union thing" is what progressives started long ago and are using to destroy America, as obama said, as you know it!
Those are not ACORN indictments. They are people who took advantage of their position as ACORN contractors. ACORN is working to put these people behind bars.
But if you have an indictment that lists ACORN as a defendant, why don't you share it with us here. They are public record and should not be difficult to find if they exist. If not then maybe you owe me an apology for your crude blogging behavior and filthy language.
They run away when you even the odds.
My, how completely un-American of you
Can you point me to anything in our history that indicates the intent of the founding fathers was to keep the poor from participating in the democracy?
You have never been forced to rely on welfare or you wouldn't make such silly comments about "deriving a living" or "providing for themselves". I'm sure the single, black, mother of 6 your mind has crafted as the "prototypical" welfare recipient makes you angry, but it's far from the truth. It would be the same as me thinking every conservative is a stuffy white suburbanite with a white collar job, an addiction to keeping up with the joneses, and a deep seated desire to see everyone else do worse than themselves. It makes me angry, but does not fairly represent the facts.
One of the most basic tenants of our Republic is the idea that no one is cut out of the process of governing, be they poor, weak, unintelligent, misguided, misanthropic, elitist, or whatever other label you feel makes them less of a person in the eyes of the government. It is to protect them from people like yourself.
Heheh, touche!
Well, ok, if you insist…
If you mean the poor can "vote themselves a raise" well, share that little gem of info, please! I'd like one pronto!
It's been fun Stan, but maybe you should head for the Kiddie sandbox if you can't put your point into words.
Eric A-HOLEder is a dingleberry hanging around the oval orifice occupied by that turd, Obama.
Rather than Worry about "Rich or Poor" wouldn't it make more sense to limit the right to vote to citizens who have served the country? Either by serving in the military or some of the other organizations that require a period of servce. (Peace Corps come to mind) I you are not willing to support the country by donating precious time, you wouldn't have the right to run for office or vote. You would retain all other right. Check out Robert A. Heinlein's book Starship Trooper. It's his idea. Read the Book don't watch the movie.
Read the text "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". People seem forget the last part. The left pretends it wasn't written due to their tortured interpretation. A simple view of history would show why the founding FATHERS put this in. To prevent a state controlled religion that could persecute individuals that were not members of said religion, not to remove religion from public life or public servants.
Repeating a lie you were told is the same as lying. Please research properly before you post lies.
Illinois has an early ballot provision and I have already voted. I don't vote for candidates in primary elections that have no opponents, so several of the races on my (GOP) ballot were unmarked. When I fed it into the machine the computer readout said that there were some unmarked races–I don't recall the exact terms. The machine had accept/reject buttons. I hit accept as soon as the readout came up. The election judge did not try to intervene, so I can't complain about my expereince with this machine.
However, after having read this post, I can see where there is plenty of opportunity for abuse with this system.
Well we're just looping, but I don't understand why you think that economic class should dictate whether or not you get a vote on how this country is governed.
But better than that, you tell me: How much money does one need to make a year to qualify to vote? What level of government assistance should deny you the right to vote? Do student loans count? Tax abatements for real estate development? Or just ones for food stamps and other sustenance welfare?
Right, and how is weaving the beliefs and tenants of a religion into the fabric of government not a state-backed religion? I know this can be hard for anyone with a Christian background to understand, but I'm positive many U.S. Citizens of Muslim, Buddhist, and other non-Christian sects see it as less innocuous than you do.
Now I will concede that the inclusion of one religion does not really mean the EXCLUSION of all others, but the separation of Church and State is real, is in the constitution, and is what makes us one of the great societies.
Surely the 9th amendment covers this, Basically says that just because we don't list a right doesn't mean that you don't have it as a right….
This issue is covered by the 9th amendment, The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Although largely ignored, it's in there….
I thought that when I first read the sentence, but if you read it over again slowly, what he's saying does make sense.
agreed however we should put morality ammendment in the parchement. This would have solved many problems.
if you don't pave the roads, you shouldn't be allowed to drive on them.
if you don't make televisions, you shouldn't be allowed to watch the news.
if you can't build your own computer, you shouldn't be allowed to use the internet.
it's a shame that none of these make sense, but when you talk about money it's somehow fair to use the same logic?
lol exactly. 3 generations of welfare families is patriotic? Maybe you need to serve two years in the armed forces before your eligable for an entitlement.
Hmm, but my does that tangle things… Whose morals? Yours or mine?
By "THE CHOSEN ONE" you mean chosen by the voters of the United States of America, right?
I don't like to hear the right to vote thrown out, even in jest (which I am very hopeful is what Stan H was doing,)
The African Americans in this country have gone through hell and back for the right to vote. I'm a conservative. I live in the south. I'm very sensitive to any statements that give a hint of racism. It's not a joke here. I also hate the radical '60's revolution that would put black panthers at a voting station to intimidate voters. Or ACORN fixing elections.
But let's not joke about the right to vote. Thank God, no matter who you are in this country, black, white, hispanic, poor, rich… we all have the right to vote.
BTW, the link in the article to Cicero having armed guards at its polling station is, at least from a very cursory first look through, about a Republican putting them there for intimidation. Corruption and tactics like this are the problem. No matter who or what they come from.
Being on welfare or not has nothing to do with one's "patriotism". I'm sure many who served in WWII or Korea or VietNam and later ended up on public assistance would agree.
Don't put the Peace Corps and the Military in the same sentence.erp
Brilliant!
Gentlemen, the facts are as follow, you do have a right to vote, Currently, only U.S. citizens can vote in U.S elections. Each state determines which citizens have the right to vote in that state. But over time national laws in the form of Constitutional amendments have made clearer who may not be excluded. Please…
Man, get that to a bona fide journalist who'd love to do an in-depth story; i.e. someone like Brett Beier (sp?) at Fox. What a story that would make! I'd never heard of anything like that before your post!
there might not be a specific 'right to vote' … but there sure are a lot of efforts to forbid anyone from being denied the right to vote, for any reason.
but, I am sure that the trivial fact that you make more money than me gives you plenty of power to shape the constitution as you see fit.
surely the very fact that our constitution has been so passionately dedicated to protecting the right to vote, for everyone, means something about the very nature of our country?
we live in a society, not a country club.
Why? Just because most of the MSM didn't cover them it must not have been as bad as it was made out to be? That makes no sense, especially with the way the media picks and chooses which stories to follow.
Progressivsm is hands down the most destructive "religion" in history…the runner up is islam. Just think, the progressives have a "god" which is ultimately themselves but collectively accepted as the government. They have a set of "commandments." Such as pro-choice, sexual indulgance, white people are guilty…as well as the US and of course Britain. They have a "paradise" which is socialism run by some despot claiming to be for the good of the people…much in similarity to the one running the country now. But of course Obama can't quite do everything that he or the progressives wish he could…such as seizing the airwaves, internet, healthcare and throwing all opposition into concentration camps or gulags. To bad we can't sever "church" and state. By the way how does Obama's islamist background effect his decisions concerning America's safety??? I would give anything to have Bush back…of course he is just a stupid Christian.
Manufactuering votes by destroying urban areas in the name of equality is American?
I like how the machine rejects the ballot if you don't vote in every election!! Sounds like they are making lists of who doesn't vote often so the Dem's can start voting for you in all elections to put thier people in place!! Talk about Fu(ked up!!!
HA ! That moron O'Keefe was arrested! Brilliant!
You sir, project a lot of your own religious hang-ups on others.
And the Christians, at last count, have been just as responsible for wars and genocides as most other religions, if not a bit moreso by sheer duration of rule through the middle centuries.
Just another example of how if you get caught doing the lefts dirty work they will throw you under the bus!!
actually, the more I think of it, the more terrified I am that someone like you even has the audacity to suggest such a thing as stripping away someone's right to vote, for any reason.
how dare you even imply that such a vital aspect of our freedom, our very foundation, be wrenched away from ANY citizen?
maybe we can find some loophole to ensure that you, sir, are punished for your unpatriotic beliefs!
I'd love to respond, can you clarify your point a bit? Who is doing the manufacturing and the destroying?
What part of "Eric A-HOLEder is a dingleberry hanging around the oval orifice occupied by that turd, Obama" is a lie? I believe that is called opinion, something we are still at this moment free to have and express!!
Those boys are heroes! The should be applauded for trying to wiretap Sen. Mary Landrieu's office – illegal or not. Oops, I got to run, my Mom made me a grilled cheese sandwhich.
Can't we do something about these annoying liberal comments?
Brilliant in the 57th state!
Even worse we would have to listen to katie and matt talk about the "historic" aspect of all of it.
Weaving the (religious) beliefs?
Into the fabric of government?
When you put it those terms, I suppose "We the people.." are on shaky grounds.
Lisa Madigan , seeing how you are a product of the Chicago Irish Mafia and thus, did not exactly earn your position, you better brush up on constitutional law.
It's going to get pretty heavy with all these eradication of the church from the state people experts like L.G.R.
Irrational non sequitur posing as an intelligent comment!
I guess Big Government blog is a Big Success blog because the trolls are out in force. Libs finally figured out that the real information gets transmitted via blogs, not the media and sent their minions out to spread the party line.
A couple things:
1. Those with entitlements aka welfare have just about reached 50% of our population. These are the people ACORN/SEIU have targeted to add to the voter registry. They'll always vote for the sugar daddies because they don't pay taxes or contribute to the general welfare, they're parasites — and they'll also register thousands of fictitious voters to give them a better margin of winning. Often there are more registered voters than there are residents in a district. Fraud – nah.
2. Should parasites be allowed to vote? Probably not, if only for their own protection because if the tax burden gets too high, there won't be enough workers to support them and since they're unable or unwilling to fend for themselves, they'll all die by the side of the road.
3. Voter fraud by ACORN has been documented in many states. Do a bit of Googling and you'll find them. It's the convictions that have gone missing.
4. SEIU have been caught on tape using violence at Town Hall meetings — charges have been reduced to misdemeanors and convictions have gone missing.
5.. Our Black Attorney General has dropped charged against Black Panthers (caught on video tape) for voter intimidation. Playing the race?? No way — heaven forefend.
Too depressing to continue listing the travesties of this hapless administration destined to be put out of its misery come November.
They only needed "to be made clearer" because tyrants have attempted to deprive the American people "inalienable rights"…maybe that is why the progressives don't want you to believe in a God.
Are you serious? First, it should be "NEITHER the United States Constitution,". Second, "protect a voter from being able to vote in secret" indicates that voting in secret is a bad thing that a voter might accidentally do if not protected from it. The more slowly I read it, the clearer it is how wrong the wording is.
The U.S. Constitution DOES refer to the "right to vote." See amendments 14, 15, 19, 24, 26. Try reading the Constitution, it helps when speaking about it. It really isn't hard to do, it isn't that long.
Actually, I don't get too up in arms about all the "God" in government, but I tend to take it as a more inclusive statement. And "In God We Trust" on money? Hey, fine by me! If you can't trust your God, who CAN your trust? (Tho sometimes this results in people treating money like God…) I have a harder time when people want to put the Ten Commandments up in Government buildings… Those are the specific tenants of a specific faith, and some would even argue based on the wording, a specific denomination of that faith. But I'm fine with acknowledging a faith in a God of your choosing being an important part of who we are and the lives we want to lead.
Un-American…it took progressives a century to allow those who were not "homeowners" to vote…then of course don't let blacks vote. Essentially the purpose of not allowing those with no property of voting was to protect those that do have property…it has nothing to do with patriotic or a moral standpoint just simple stated. Why allow those with nothing to roll the dice for everyone else? We should go back to that premise of voting. Then if LetsGetRational still feels guilty then you can donate your property to someone so they can vote…cause that is what you are doing with everyone's property.
When was the last time "racist decided to try to close the polling place or unjustly knock people of the rolls?" Plus what are you implying that anyone not voting for maobama was a racist for? Also, not all black panthers are poor…just as many racists are not rich–unless they have a position in the democratic party. Have you ever been to the appalachians? Not to mention many many of the "rolls" you mentioned are filled with bs just to get liberals elected anyway. When was the last time you saw Mickey Mouse or Adolf Hitler vote? Obviously 2008 for obama…and they must have the same belief system because they both voted for obama.
WOW… are things really that on the up and up in the rest of the country?
With an outlook like that Rich, I assume you're already covered and get to keep your vote
Does this apply to people who rent by choice as their career or some other lifestyle issue prevents them from owning a home? If you own more than one piece of land should you get more than one vote? What you are attempting to do is to create two classes of citizen in the United States based on an arbitrary standard that those in power get to choose. This is patently un-American, perhaps verging on the very definition of it. It harkens to taxation without representation (and yes, even the poor are taxed, sir, through the sales tax, property tax and other non-payroll based taxes).
Well, if land-ownership were and equal opportunity proposition, I may feel differently. But, due to historic discrimination over the decades against many varied races and heritages (Black, Irish, Polish, German, Asian, Arab, Muslim) land ownership it is not really a measure of the worthiness of a citizens opinion.
And most of us think she is doing a fine job.
There was a case in St. Louis in 2000 of an inner city polling place being closed early and turning voters away. So 2000 I suppose.
No, racism is not a symptom of party, class, or even education. It is a social disease.
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I am not intimidated easily. If they want to bring billy clubs, they're going to be leaving and walking funny. Holder is going to be run out of town on a rail after being tarred and feathered. Because a blind eye was turned to these b@st@rds and their intimidation in Philly, you watch and see that there are not more of them in November across the country. This is Chicago thug politics and we can thank each and every one of the Democratic voters that voted for this incompetent POS. How's all that Hope n Changey stuff workin' out for y'all? Hmmm? So much for the post racial utopia, huh? Where is all the kumbaya singing? Yeah, I thought so. Let'sGetRational is obviously trying to stir the pot. I'll be saving my energy for November when I exercise my rights to vote his sugar daddies out of their lucrative jobs. Be seeing ya! MuWah!
With your tongue buried that deeply in your cheek, be careful. You may get severe tooth marks in it.
It's an opinion that I also hold, so that makes us a majority and you a loser, Waltz. Cya!
Your messiah has been in bed with the unions from day 1. Stop drinking that koolaid and your eyes will magically open and you will see. That and remove that unicorn horn from your arse, then you'll actually be able to think.
Yeah, ok. And John WIlkes Booth turned himself in for the interviews, right? And you expect us to take you seriously? There is no choir here, so move along.
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