In the Bowels of Baltimore’s ACORN
by Hannah GilesThe Baltimore adventure with ACORN started off as a silly idea, both absurd and incredible by all accounts. But it stuck, and quickly escalated into a full blown operation with scripts, method acting, undercover gear, scandalous outfits, fast minds, good hearts, plenty of humor and healthy homemade blueberry muffins.
When I pitched the “prostitute goes into ACORN seeking housing” idea to James O’Keefe at the beginning of the summer, I had absolutely no idea how he would respond. He came back with, “Would you be willing to portray the prostitute? And if so, when can you do this?”
Needless to say, the project had officially begun.
An idea conceived on an afternoon jog would soon birth material evidence.
Most people come up with ridiculous ideas, things that graze against societal norms. However, not all are capable of action because not all are comfortable with action. Many lack the desire for truth and justice, most don’t even know to want it. But on occasion, the previous join forces. The right people with the appropriate calling unite against a common enemy, then the sky is the limit and hell is the target. There will be no compromises, only adaptation and infiltration.
The socially unacceptable became our mode of visual operation. When visuals match content, the system will fall.
The staff we dealt with in Baltimore had no problem offering their time to James and me, not because we were two white kids undercover looking for a big story, but because of the mess we claimed to be in and wished to create.
We connected with these people on a level they were comfortable with. We came off as troubled, torn, innovative and devoted individuals who couldn’t skirt the system unless the system helped us along our journey.
Our presence screamed, as James puts it, “unique situation.” And so when we sought council in regards to tax evasion, obtaining a house for use as an underage brothel, the avoidance of an abusive pimp, and establishing illegitimate congressional campaign funds, they were ready and unfazed by the direction our conversation took.
James and I saw the ACORN Housing location in Baltimore as a target–the den of a giant corrupt lion. We wanted to get a reaction and gauge the corruption. We came armed with the things necessary to cause a reaction; we came equipped with the things necessary to capture the reaction. We expected to be successful. We weren’t overly confident but we had tested methods at our disposal and were able to calculate the lines along which the staffers would react. We didn’t go in expecting major results; we also didn’t limit what could happen seated behind closed doors. We went in knowing that if we were meant to succeed, we would. It is not as if we went in carefree and lah-dee-dah. But we were confident in our mission.
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I loved the idea that James would be "running for office". A fine chance for them to corrupt at the lowest level, and have something for leverage later on.
keep up the good work!
Hannah you have a brave heart and a strong mind. Please keep fighting the good fight. And KNOW that you are not alone!
MsU
You go girl!!!
BRAVO!!!!
BUT BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU
Congratulations. You succeeded in showing millions exactly what ACORN is about. Not helping poor people succeed in society, but helping people to continue to skirt society. Perpetuating the vicious circle of poverty and crime for generations to come.
Good Job!
Just seen this on Glenn Beck. I believe in what you are doing and this corruption should be in the face of every one associated with acorn.
Thank you to you & James both for providing a great service to this country.
Benjamin Franklin was asked by a woman after the adjournment of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 what kind of government they had come up with & he replied, "A republic, madam, if you can keep it." We've done a lousy job at keeping it as of late, but what you're doing will help us restore and keep it.
Great job! You did what hundreds of seasoned "journalists" from the NY Times, Wash Post, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc refused to do or were too lazy to do. You exposed obvious corruption which was right under their noses
Outstanding job! You will go far
Highly impressed with your desire to expose the corruption that frustrates the citizens paying taxes for this garbage. The interest of the people at the top of this food chain is power and money. Those two women will be thrown out of the organization because they are just pawns. Bravo on one of the first undercover journalist operations I've seen in years. Today's media are lapdogs that do nothing but report the garbage fed to them. This was terrific!
It's bad enough to have a corrupt organization pretending to help America only for their own gains, but to have taxpayers support this organization is a scandal. Acorn should be shut down.
Congratulations on your new blog. I will post some links to your articles on my "Common Sense In The News" RSS feed (enfeedia.com/see/commonsense/inthenews.php) from time to time.
You are both very brave! I certainly hope your own tax records are impeccable, because you KNOW they are going to come after you both. Be careful. I hope more people like you stand up. Bravo!!!
I wonder if anyone will investigate the whole of acorn, or if it will end with the firing of these two crummy individuals. It makes one see how little these people regard life, and decency, to be excited about helping someone enslave and pimp out 13-15yr old girls! I am disgusted!!! Great work- with a lot of outrage from the American public maybe this can go to the top!
BRAVO HANNAH!
Hannah you are incredibly pretty and incredibly brave! I wish you well and wish I even had the courage to put my name on here. Thank you for your service to our country or what is left of it.
You people need to grow up. Where were you when the corrupt practices were taking place on Wall Street? Enron? There are so many examples of corrupt people that you don't have the resources to uncover. I guess that is why you selectively choose ACORN to bring your entrapment style journalism to the forefront. I don't disagree that these employees should have been fired, but you expose' should have been conducted in a different manner. Keep going. You too will be uncovered.
Wow. This chick has b*lls. Every POS lefty is going to target her for the rest of her college career – professors, administrators, mean girls, and creepy guys.
For the next two years girl-
1) do not accept *any* drink at a party you didn't open yourself
2) don't eat any food unless its serving a common group of people
3) don't don't Do NOT get romantic with any guy unless its your room. There are a million and one places to hide smaller than ever videocams
Cause seriously – these people don't forget. They're going to be coming for you.
Just wondering how the dems aka socialists will cover up this one
Nice to see young people stepping up to do what is right.
I am awed by your two showing such bravery. It makes me think that not all honor isnt dead. I feel what you have inspired will multiply hundreds of times over. It will have to make that organisation tremble. Their men go to bed tonight in a shocked state. Now they cant continue exactly business as usual. They are vunerable because their street level employees are just dumb.
Let this be the beginning of hundreds of amauter reporters going out in a wave to save our constition.
Hannah –
You have my vote for a Pulitzer. Keep digging. Keep exposing. Keep reporting the truth. Always report the truth. Your career can be brighter than Woodward and Bernstein. You are a brilliant shining light of truth in a world of journalists who lost their way long ago. Stay true!
YOU ARE A GREAT AMERICAN……….YOU ROCK…!!!!!!!!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !
Thank you both for showing the world one of the things this administration is borrowing money from the Chinese in order to fund. There is a new catch phrase for the word Idiot. It used to be "Dunce" but now it is 'Community Organizer'. Bless you!
Hanna seriously – I read the transcripts and you had some of the funniest lines. You should be a comedienne .
Completely unbelievable how freaking crazy balsy those women were. Sick. And the only response from the left is that it was "gotcha journalism"? LOL
MSM could learn a thing or two from the two of you.
Cute outfit BTW. Did you know you could write that off? ; )
"Obama Signs Tens of Thousands of Questionable Pardons Submitted by Community Group ACORN" http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/09/obama-signs-t...
What's even worse than ACORN is that our president worked for them….When well we get down and out mad and put a stop to it?
Great job… keep it up!
Hannah, don't let this be your swan song or your one hit wonder. Keep pressing on in fighting the good fight and getting the truth out there. Great job acting and may you find many more young bold actors willing to pose to expose the truth of the hypocrisy that is the foundation of this current administration.
Hannah you are a great American and have done something incredible. I think you just open up a world of hurt for ACORN. Hopefully ACORN get investigated and much more our the corruption is exposed. The American tax dollars need to be cut off to the crazy organization. Thanks again and keep up the great work.
LET'S investigate CONGRESS, for REFUSING to investigate ACORN!!!
WE need to be RELENTLESS with John Conyers!
The two Acorn employees have been 'fired', which is probably a code word for transferred to another division. The story from Acorn is that these reporters were thrown out of two or three other offices before they found this one. Either way, I'd like a response from the reporters. The fellow who covered this for CNN said they have no reason not to believe Acorn's explanation. I can think of a few, but then I'm probably a 'conservative activist' as he labeled the two reporters. Pretty tough when you get caught in the act.
I have to say "ACORN" should be ashamed of the themselves for taking money from the people of the US and are in truth one group or should I say "UNTOUCHABLE GROUP OF PEOPLE" WITH DEPLORABLE ETHICS AND WHEN WILL MORE OF THIS SCANDAL COME OUT??? PLEASE PEOPLE WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT THEY STAND FOR. *** JUST THIS ONE INCIDENT HAS REALLY SHOWN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!! (TO ME ACORN IS FAKE- CORN. ) BUT IF TAX EVASION AND PROSTITUTION FOR UNDER-AGED KIDS IS OK; THEN I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM. TRULY THIS IS A DISGRACE.
Good job. You are doing well and keep it up. Just be careful and take no bull from anyone.
What can I say. I could hug you. You rock. Thanks to you and O'Keefe (who I happen to know), ACORN may lose their federal funding.
Take care and be safe. I know people who are heavily involved in politics and are routinely targeted by crazy leftists. Some of them are just plain evil – and that includes those two women.
Refund the 5 Billion stimulus $$ that Pimpsta Obama skimmed for his ACORN Gangsta Criminal Enterprise (who are the enemy of We The People) and investigate and prosecute to the fullest these Communist Agitators, and Impeach The Pimp BHO II Now!
Thank for exposing one more truth about this corrupt organization which is being fed with our hard earned tax dollars.
In doing so you have also shed another ray of light on the fact that our government leaders and the self-proclaimed journalists of our time care nothing for the truth.
Keep up the good work.
Your condemnation of virtuous action is truly inspiring.
"Where were you when…?" Are you seriously going to fault someone for exposing corruption of a most vile form (giving advice on how to disguise a *child prostitution ring* from the authorities) because of a political affiliation?
What you and James have done took more courage than most people reading this have, myself included.
Hannah — You go girlfriend! Way to go!!
You go, girl! You and O'Keefe are in our prayers!
Yes, there was corruption on Wall Street and some Enron folks went to jail. Acorn and it's many subsidiaries however are pretty much directly supported by tax payer dollars. ACORN activism is as responsible as any other single factor for the mortgage crisis which is directly responsible for bank failures and the recession. Let's eliminate the corruption we know about. Because this organization was so directly involved in Obama's election, that alone should disqualify them for federal funding. You cannot support a candidate or party and receive tax payer money. That's an abuse that should be investigated.
I don't know what surprises me the most – the fact that they were stupid enough to fall for your story, or the fact they were so decadent that they never even hesitated to 'help'! I am beginning to see we are facing an enemy so vile, and so morally corrupt, that there is no level to which they'll stoop to accomplish their ends. And just as Glenn Beck predicted, the two were quickly discarded today after the story broke.
Not to worry… there are thousands more waiting in the wings, ready to give themselves to the 'movement'… knowing, "Yes we can!"
Brilliant work. I hope this is only the first report in a long and illustrious career for you in journalism. America needs more journalists like you, tackling issues that, whatever their reasoning, the MSM turns a blind eye to. May God bless you both and protect you!
The first step is stopping the Health Care nationalization. If we can stop this juggernaut, then we may have a chance. If not, we're all going to be bound in RED tape that even the best scissors won't cut through!
Hannah-
As stated by many of us that support you, be careful. You are young and have many years ahead of you, "they" are now out for blood. Watch your back ,and those that suddenly come into your life , they will not give up til they destroy you or your family. We open minded and realistic thinkers have known what ACORN is about and the powerful people behind the organization. Great work to James and yourself, you have millions that support you. How can we join??
Jeannie asked, "When will we get down and out mad and put a stop to it?" NOW!!! You took a brave action…now BE CAREFUL! The left will be on your tail for the rest of your life. Love to both of you for your bravery!
It's comforting to know that with the old-stream media failing us, there is a whole fresh group of young people, like you and James, out there with the nerve to do what investigative reporters used to do… investigate and find the truth and then expose it. Bravo!
Make sure that all of your neighbors are aware of the fact that ACORN is involved with the 2010 CENSUS! There
will be much "redistricting" based on LIES!!!
Why do I have a feeling that the Department of "Justice" will not prosecute these two pieces of filth?
Why do I have a feeling that the "mainstream" media will ignore this completely until it is pushed in their faces?
words fail me
What a wonderfully simple idea executed very well. This has to help open the eyes of those who sleep. One more step in the effort to reveal this organization and their kind.
Kenya
Stroke of genius
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! The both of you were so brave to take on such a huge organization! It's like a breath of fresh air & new energy to see young people having the courage to do this knowing things could get difficult. As a mother I have to echo some of the others comments. I know it might sound silly…. but since you ruffled the feathers of a powerful money grabber…. I would agree don't ever take a drink from anyone unless opned it. And if you're single I would NOT "date" any one new for a while. As pretty as you are they will try to set you up… Be safe & thank you both
Wow – you are so honorable; the sacrifice and hardship to bring forth such seething exposés of this murderous organization of baby-killing, brown-shirted Storm Troopers and the corrupt, stooge-in-chief who fingers their puppet-strings. Indeed, you are defending the sainted liberty of our founding paragons of virtue – the forefathers who, fingers in a righteous pose, brought forth across this great, fruited plain the seeds of waves of tasty wheat and cruel eagles soaring lazily through the spangled red glare of cruise missiles destroying our enemies in the name of holy Jesus. Yea, in God we trust and the time in nigh when we shall ride forth in our pickup trucks into the highways, the alleysways, down manholes, screaming and pitchforking those who dare stand in the way of our blessed, sweaty vengeance.
Hmm, that's kinda fun – writing as a facilely indignant, barely coherent Conservative fruitcake. Why don'tchall finally just whip yourselves into a particularly fervent madness and go jump off a cliff somewhere, en masse? Good riddance.
Great job Hannah. Watched you on Glenn Beck and don't see why you can't be successful in television journalism. Congratulations on a job well done.
CNN is reporting on their website that you guys tried this in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Los Angeles, California, and New York, but they didn't bite. I'm just curious what these other offices told you. Thanks so much for your awesome work!
LOL… They probably were in High School !
What will it take to wipe out Obama's spawn ACORN (and others like it)? Enough is enough!
Hannah,
Thank you and James for caring enough to act. I am so impressed by the both of you! May God Bless you and your families for the work you have done for your country in its time of need. Be safe!
LOL….. Where were they during Enron & Wall Street? They probably were in High School or just entering college to become the FIRST YOUNG UNKNOWN Journalist to expose ACORN!
ACORN is the Hezbollah of the left and the Chicago Mafia directed by a Padrino ( Godfather )in the WH who wants to transfer American wealth to this corrupt organization. You are heroes for pointing the dangers America is facing
Hannah is a very special young lady with an amazing bright future ahead in Journalism but I bet her left wing professors aren't happy right now.
The irony of that, of course, is that Benjamin Franklin was no stranger to "houses of ill report." However I'm totally for shutting down acorn
Could say a lot but why bother with a hopeless case. Your an ah
Just to clearify, the reply from 123 was to minusthymus
You guys are amazing, brave, heroes and true Americans!!! I was so disgusted to watch how those Acorn workers weren't only ok with everything, but that they didn't even blink an eye as your revelations kept coming. I'd like to see more exposes like yours at mutliple Acorns all over the nation. Sure Acorn can dismiss the actions of only 2 of their employees, but not if it happens at all of them. Hannah, I hope Glenn hires you, you are exactly what the country needs. Reporters who aren't afraid to get at the truth!
I think you two did a great service to the country. I do want to know why the dateing on the video appears as 7/21/2005.
Amazing…
Judge Napolitano recites a small but incomplete list of FEDERAL crimes, (not just the run of the mill felonies), pulls a working total of forty years each in a sentence, and you run to Wall & Broad and Enron.
You some kind of pederast? Sex slavery of children equivocates in your mind to white-collar theft? Then you want to blame the community at large for exposing this?
You are a vile, subhuman creature worthy of every contempt known to man, and any new ones found in the next one hundred years. To hear you try to downplay this OBSCENITY is an assault on civilization itself.
Since you try to subjugate the nature of civilization, you should be dropped in the most uncivilized place on the earth. I suggest Antarctica in your skin and nothing else. And be done with you…
Amazing…
Judge Napolitano recites a small but incomplete list of FEDERAL crimes, (not just the run of the mill felonies), pulls a working total of forty years each in a criminal sentence, and you run to Wall & Broad and Enron.
You some kind of pederast? Sex slavery of children equivocates in your mind to white-collar theft? Then you want to blame the community at large for exposing this?
You are a vile, subhuman creature worthy of every contempt known to man, and any new ones found in the next one hundred years. To hear you try to downplay this OBSCENITY is an assault on civilization itself.
Since you try to subjugate the nature of civilization, you should be dropped in the most uncivilized place on the earth. I suggest Antarctica in your skin and nothing else. And be done with you…
Wise precautions.
Remember the shotgun by the bed, too.
He's right. Your first duty is the truth, always, no matter where or to whom it leads.
Well the two ladies were fired tonight for not meeting ACORN's standard of professionalism to which we were all so accustomed . This creates an opening for the return of Jocelyn Elders, who I'm sure would have added a lesson on masturbation for the couple and their underage stable of future Obama voters.
You would have thought if the other offices were wise to them, they would have passed the word around. Which makes this ACORN statement even more suspicious.
My guess is, ACORN is a lot like this everywhere, and what they tried to set up for these two they have set up for many, many others. All out of our pocket.
I bet a lot more people in true need could be helped by the sudden and complete reduction of the payouts assisting other "businesses" ACORN has been SO helpful to…
No matter the MSM has avoided yours and James's investigative video…as you both know this has gone viral and rightly so. The majority of Americans are proud of both of you, for being so brave. We realize the time and planning that went into all your efforts. Thank you for bringing back real investigative journalism.
Hello.Incredibly courageous of you two to go into a corrupt place,and to pull it off,simply grand.I hope that
your doings will weaken ACORN,and that others will follow your lead,and bring down that outfit.
For yourself-get a permit to carry,and do so.
God bless all here
Are you just dumb as a stump? Read your post.
Well the two ladies were fired tonight for not meeting ACORN's standard of professionalism to which we have all have become so accustomed. This leaves an opening for the return of Jocelyn Elders, who I'm sure would have added a lesson on masturbation for the couple and their underage stable of future Obama voters.
I can't believe you are 20! You write very well, maturely, I mean, and I think with what you have exposed here I would love to see you as a regular on FOX. I'm guessing Glenn Beck has already put in a good word for you. Good luck, BE CAREFUL (watch your back!!) and keep up the good work (ACTUAL JOURNALISM–WHAT A CONCEPT!!) I think I'll go watch Olberman now. This should just about put him over the edge! THANK YOU FOR A JOB WELL DONE!
ROTFLMAO! I just caught that!
Absolute brilliant!
James n Hannah pwntz and ownz teh evil due 2 mad leet skils!
Semper Fi
This how it begins with the citizen reporter. First came the printing press then the cell phone now the internet. The internet is finally maturing into the electronic paper of record. The old dying media that have sadly become a propaganda wing of the Democratic Party are drifting into obscurity. There is so much news out there that for civic minded entrepreneurs to exploit its mind boggling. Thank you Hannah Giles and James O’Keefe for your diligent reporting and unbridle courage to inform the America populace. Thomas Jefferson, who has probably been sobbing as of late, maybe beginning to crack a smile.
Some reports say this Acorn scandal leads right to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
More to be revealed in the next few days?
Another pederast.
Vile just doesn't cover you well enough.
Food for you to digest…if two young people looking like a 70's remake of "Starsky & Hutch" can flip this particular can of worms on their collective ear, you lib statists better start looking under every pebble and sand grain, into every eyedropper and nail hole, every stack of something more than 2mm high, every person you come into contact with everywhere; you know, really give that 'ol paranoia free and complete rein…
Because we in the real world just saw what can bring all of you down, and myself and others would dearly love to try it ourselves…
Hannah,
Just wanted to underscore what has been said above. From a former Jarhead, Thank You for the service you have preformed for this country. I think you know, but if you don't, it IS A BIG DEAL!! Be very careful, they will be coming after you. This is warfare of a kind. Stay strong and keep up the fantastic work.
oLberMan……..LOL the retard was practically frothing at the mouth.
I friggin' LOVE it.
What sort of support do you need to continue this work? Donations, volunteers? Please let us know here. You young folks are an inspiration.
[...] unions like SEIU, perhaps? Read about ACORN’s latest misstep here. Van Jones, like Barry before him, was openly associating with unrepentant terrorist, and made it [...]
Brave and bold plan, brilliantly executed. Sun Tzu would be proud.
Be aware, however, that you have now picked up a flag, and waved in the middle of the battlefield, no less. You are now a TARGET. EVERYTHING – and I mean EVERYTHING – you have ever done, and all that you will ever do, will henceforth be minutely scrutinized…and show the slightest HINT of moral weakness be found, it will act as if it were blood in the water to the lefty loonsharks and their remora-like allies in the MSM. (Pardon me for mixing metaphors there…)
I am greatly impressed by the ingenuity and sheer chutzpah displayed by you and your partner against crime. By the same token, I fear for you as a 20-year old person just starting to learn about life. You will not be allowed the "innocent mistakes" that others invariably experience while maturing into the people (for good or bad) that we are today.
I wish you all of the luck in the world, and I trust that you will find strength in the prayers of me and our fellow countrymen who believe that what you did was a brave, upright, and honorable thing to do.
Semper Fi
You guys are incredibly brave and intelligent. What a masterpiece! Maybe people will finally understand the true threat of despicable organizations like ACORN. Brilliant, simply brilliant. Much kudos.
Congratulations! You are incredibly brave and a shining example to young people (& old) of what true commitment to our country and the truth truly looks like (as opposed to community organizing, aka agitating). While we talk about true journalism being dead in our country, you offer hope that there are indeed true journalists ready to be the corruption in government watchdog that we need. Thank yo so much. Keep up the good work and be careful. These people are a nasty indefensible bunch. But I think it'd be safe to say that most of the American people have your back girl!
[...] in America. Videos: ACORN advising on tax evasion for pimps and prostitutes? at Hot Air, from In the Bowels of Baltimore’s ACORN at Big Government. Incredulous that anyone would actually take a young man and woman as a pimp [...]
I am proud of you two!!
The entire office is corrupt. And without a single touch of guilt.
Moral relativism is evil. To the bone.
Please, by all means, they should take all the deductions as possible. Starve the looters and their bogus claim on our money, production, sweat, blood and tears.
Great Job… My only regret is you didn't have the resources and manpower to run the same tactic at 50 ACORN offices simultaneously.
I am not very eloquent in writing, so I just want to say Thank You. Be Well and Stay Safe.
Awesome job. I want to thank you for your courage and brilliance. I also want to give you support and that you are not alone.
You are definitely a patriot.
[...] out more on the story from the woman who went undercover, posing as that prostitute, here at BigGovernment.com Tags » Author:admin Date: Thursday, 10. September 2009 23:53 [...]
INCREDIBLE JOB! Hannah is a TRUE Journalist and Patriot. Where is Katie Couric? Where is the supposed "Victim's Advocate" Nancy Grace? Where are the advocates for Children's Rights? WHERE ARE THE CONGRESSMEN WHO FUND THIS CORRUPT ORGANIZATION? How many pimps & prostitutes were organized by Obama? Where are the Federal Prosecutors? ACORN qualifies under the RICO Act.
Stay strong Hannah. Don't ever let the bastards get you down.
Hannah, you and your partner were awesome! Great work in exposing these sleazy racketeers. You were both also very entertaining!
Glenn Beck made an astute observation: The real culprits are the leadership and founders of ACORN who are, as Beck pointed out, running a plantation. The dirty little secret is that the "social justice" movement is about CONTROL of the uneducated underclass. By doling out a few favors, "brand loyality" is created. The slaves are indebted to the massa. Same as it ever it was. This is the same game played by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the white racists who run it. Gain power and wealth on the backs of those who see themselves as victims, and keep reinforcing that victim mentality.
Wow…I'm praying for you Hannah…and your male friend. Unfortunately, most ACORN people seem to be the same as these two women, with the men very thuggish. Related to ACORN is black liberation theology (BLT) & politically correct Afrocentrism. I met a BLT student once at UNLV in Las Vegas at a coffee shop. I wish I had it recorded. He told me Jesus was a black men who came to set the blacks free from white oppression, that blacks are the true Jews of the Bible, and that whites and so-called Jews in Israel are really cursed Edomites needing destruction. He was wearing a 'I Love Jesus' cap on & showed me Websites supporting his racism.
Time to investigate and PROSECUTE ACORN and the SEIU along with it. Obama and the wonderful selection of people he surrounds himself bring a whole new meaning to the terms crook and radical.
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