Obamacare Taxing Your Savings and Investments in the Name of Fairness
by Greg KnappCongress can raise taxes because it can persuade a sizable fraction of the populace that somebody else will pay.
– Milton Friedman

How dare you save and invest your hard earned money while other people waste it can’t afford to. It’s just not fair that you’re making “unearned” income and we need to take more of that from you to pay for our big government programs.
Terrence Jeffrey has the details from Obamascare 2.0:
“Under current law, workers who earn a salary pay a flat tax of 1.45 percent of their wages to support the Medicare Hospital Insurance (HI) trust fund, but those who have substantial unearned income do not, raising issues of fairness,” says the summary.
Fairness?! The Redistributor in Chief wants to go there? Seriously?
Right now, the people who earn very little, or nothing, get way more back in Medicare than they’ve ever paid in and there is no income cap on the Medicare tax. The rich are already paying more than their “fair share.” In addition the money being used to make unearned income has already been taxed at least once.
The Wall Street Journal points out the unprecedented nature of the taxes and how anti-growth it is:
This new ObamaCare bargain would for the first time apply the 2.9% Medicare payroll tax to “interest, dividends, annuities, royalties and rents,” so-called passive income that we are told includes capital gains, though the latter wasn’t explicitly mentioned in the proposal. This antigrowth investment tax would apply to singles earning more than $200,000 and joint filers over $250,000 and comes on top of the Senate’s 0.9-percentage-point increase in the payroll tax, which would bring the combined employee-employer share to 3.8%
Hey, wait a second, didn’t Obama say he wouldn’t raise any tax on families making less than $250k/year?
Single moms and dads making over $200k are going to be slapped with this. Obama hates single parent families!
More on the “fairness” issue: The Tax Foundation does an annual survey of US attitudes on tax and wealth. In their 2006 survey, more than two thirds of the people said no one should pay more than 20% of their income in taxes. That includes state, federal and local taxes. Of course, the top federal income tax rate for 2008 was 35%. That means most Americans believe “the rich” are taxed too much right now. If every American truly understood how excessive our taxation has already become we could create a tax revolution. (I understand we’re talking about payroll Medicare taxes and not income taxes, here, but it all goes into the tax debate. )
These new taxes will have a huge, negative impact on job growth. When will the lefties learn that whatever you tax you will get less of? This is another step into turning Medicare into a welfare program. STOP!
Three-fifths to two-thirds of the federal budget consists of taking property from one American and giving it to another. Were a private person to do the same thing, we’d call it theft. When government does it, we euphemistically call it income redistribution, but that’s exactly what thieves do — redistribute income.
–Walter Williams.
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CONgress can do whatecer it wants to do. It is no longer relevant what they tax, or how high they raise the tax rates. I have nothing left to give.
He did say that he wanted to spread the wealth around. And that's exactly what he's doing.
I'd be leery of quoting Friedman – he was the guy who thought de-linking the dollar to gold was a good idea that that it was the dollar that gave gold its value, therefore the price of gold would go down once it was de-linked! I believe the price at the time to be 30 – 40 dollars per ounce of gold at the time…..
BTW, are you the same Greg Knapp who did his show from Israel?
http://info.jpost.com/C002/Supplements/AmericasVo...
That's NOT what he's spreading around. I can smell it from here.
Good intentions lead to despotism. Always has, always will. The government has justified its theft from the people by saying that is to help the less prosperous. But wait… I was born, raised, and worked in the ghettos of NYC, and I have seen how the government helps the poor. They keep them poor by giving them just enough to survive (which is where unreported jobs, cats and dogs being claimed as kids, drug dealing, or gambling comes in to get more money), and the poor have learned how to game the system. I know 3 generations of women from one family that had kids while in their teens. Why? To get the housing, checks, food stamps, and medical of their own. I am sorry, but that is not helping the poor. That is setting up a permanent voting block. I am tired of the government wasting my money, that I work hard for. Another example of colossal waste, 100 million dollars for the 8 million people effected by the Hatian earthquake. I am sure that I could go on and on about govt. waste, but alas, I have to work to support the freeloaders. HOPE (this administration will end) and CHANGE (the progressive/socialist system that has creeped in on the American government)
Oh to be able to pay just 20% in taxes with Federal, State, and Local. Then I might actually have a significant savings for the government to confiscate……
Warren Buffet paid 17% in taxes on his $46 million in income.
His secretary paid 30% in taxes on her $30 thousand in income.
And you morons think that's in your best interest.
God you people are stupid.
Correction. Buffett's secretary paid 30% on her $60 thousand in income.
And you are all still unbelievable stupid.
I never thought I would say this.
But I have been thinking about it strongly now for the past few weeks, and as each day goes by, as each new debacle comes out of Washington and Wall Street, I am thinking about leaving the country, permanently. Do you all remember years back, when Bush was running the first time, that Alec Baldwin, Barbara Striesand and all the Hollywood crowd made claims that if Bush was elected they would all leave? They never did. Not one of them.
The difference between them, and me, once I make up my mind, I put my money where my mouth is, and act. After travelling all over the world, when I came home and retired, I thought I'd be content to sit in Montana, ride my horse and watch the sun rise and set.
I think it is time to go, this is definitely not the America I knew. Not the one I grew up with and loved. This is being turned into a goddamned socialist utopia. There are plenty of other places in the world, that are tax haven countries, and enterprise development zones.
Hell, for that matter, i can go to Haiti and start building Habitat for Humanity huts………..
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Patients left 'unwashed in their own filth for month'…
Wards were left bloody, discarded needles; Sick drink water from flower vases…
EXACTLY! Too bad I can only click the 'thumbs up' button only once…
Yup, that's me. That was a very interesting week in Israel.
How many more years before they just seize our property, our assets, our 401K's, nationalize all our private businesses, turn us into a 3rd world country, like Chavez. In the name of FAIRNESS. And will royalty like Pelosi, will her Vineyards, business and millions, will they be confiscated, or will she and others like her in government be exempt?
This won't work in America, we care too much about our country and our children's future!
So take what you can now, its not going to last forever, come the November you are all out!
It sure does stink.
See my post further down the page. I'm fed up.
I hope the people who voted for Obama in 2008 can start to really understand what they have done to our society and out country. We may never recover from this. Thanks so much for that.
It is not to late to call your reps, call them and ask those you know to do the same.
What a freaking disaster.
I'm listening to the Health Care Summit live while I type this and I want to VOMIT. They're talking costs and other rediculous crap now. The Democraps want to TAKE, TAKE, TAKE from hard working Americans in order to give our property (read money) to others! NObama can claim he's not a docialist all he wants, but that is the definition of socialism. A few Republicants have made good comments, but most have missed the mark…
We're in a worl of hurt! Before long we'll need to move to France in order to pay less taxes…
Buffett's income is likely derived primarily from stock dividends and capital gains, which is often the case for very wealthy, retired people. Capital gains are currently taxed at 20%. Dividends 15%, most likely. Divide the difference and you come up with a better approximation of the math.
And why would this be do you think? Do you think it was the Republicans who caused this? Don't you understand that if you tax the rich at 100% there still would not be enough money for all your liberal socialist programs. The real money lies in the hands of the vast majority of people in the middle.
Flat tax, fire the IRS, all free men pay the same percentage, I don't have a problem with this.
Cut the damn spending.
Oh, and your claim that Obamacare is planning to tax your savings is an outright lie.
God you people are stupid.
I love it when the millionaires in congress go on and on about those terrible "rich folk."
"Richest members of congress" http://www.cnbc.com/id/33993791/
http://hellgazette.blogspot.com/
Please comrade, save us from our ignorance!
The problem is, comrade, that in order to get out of paying U.S. taxes you will have to renounce your citizenship.
Many people have retired to Central America and have done this in order to survive on their retirement income.
Save us enlightened one….cast our our bourgeois ignorance and prejudices with the light of socialism.
Go back to the Huffington Post where you belong.
And you are a liar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuLfcROlrSg&fe...
Using your numbers (tax rate for 60K is not 30%) Buffett paid $7,820,000.00 in taxes. His secretary paid $18,000.00, a mere difference of $7,802,000.00.
Do they issue leftists calculators?
TARP (s) for Haiti. The peanut head, Jimmah Cahter, would be so proud of you!!! LOL
Yep.
C'est La' Vie.
i understand the frustration.
My folks told me all about how the commies took over in Cuba. Little steps at a time and then when they thought they had enough momentum they went to the gun.
They'll never go to the gun here they don't need to, that's what they have lawyers, professors and the MSM for.
We cannot let the left turn this country into a third rate centrally planned worker's paradise. America is the last best hope for this planet and if we fail….no place on earth will be safe from the tyranny of scientific communism and all of it's bastard offspring philosophies.
Sounds to me like Warren Buffet is a cheap skate, he pays his secretary $30,000. He sound like a typical liberal, if he cares so much about her, giver her a raise.
My wife and I have regrettably come to the same conclusion. We have cut our budget to the bone and are saving every penny available. As soon as we have enough to live resonaby comfortable we are off to a beach somewhere it never snows. And hopefully won't be here for the end of the republic.
What do you think passive income is? For most people it's interest on your savings! Dipshit.
Thanks man!
Congratulations. I respect you for showing up here and shutting that dumb bastard up. I think he is now speechless.
Yeah.
I want the franchise.
Tarps, with zippers……….
To anon:
We're stupid? Why? What do you see as the perfect political/economic system? How do you make your living?
I have a friend that owns some land in Belize, I've thought about going there!!
Here is a quote, and a fact:
"When fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Nike sneakers and Smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley. Fascism. Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. Believe it my friend".
~ George Carlin ~
*The above was an excerpt, from the book "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg
Page one, paragraph three of the introduction.
Been there, done that, didn't get the t-shirt. Once you get in country, away from any semblance of civilization, it is no place for white women.
If your kids ran up a huge credit card bill and couldn't pay it… would you not intervene and explain how the money system works?
If your parents found themselves spending way more than they took in.. would you not do what you could to stop them?
Why, then, does the US government think it can spend more than it takes in? (Yes, there are vehicles for big projects called "bonds" – but other than that – how can they justify it?)
Potter,
You are a moron. Buffett paid 17% on $46 million. His secretary paid 30% on $60 thousand.
Of course Buffett paid $7.8 million more in taxes. He earned $45.94 million more in income.
God you people are stupid.
Can you renounce your citizenship but still stay in the states? Kinda like being an illegal alien, but not illegal?
All the benefits without any of the responsibilities?
I am totally impressed with your grasp of statistics and percentages there anon……so maybe….
you can tell us what percentage of federal taxes are paid for by the top 10% of the wage earners of this country.
Anyway… as far as….what is to our "best interest"????….it is this clueless.
It is….JOBS… so we too can pay 30% in taxes…..I do believe the Warren Buffets of this country will facilitate this a tad better than his secretary
I sure hope next year Buffet only pays 7%.
"Correction"?????????
Thanks there anon…. this correction of yours has put everything into proper focus now??????? WOW!!!!!
HarryTuttle,
What does this have to do with the claim that "Obamacare is going to tax your savings"? An outright lie.
God you people are stupid.
God your straw-man is stupid.
Shut who up?
deficit spending is nothing but a tax increase
"Your work isn't taxed — your wages are taxed!"
God your semantic argument is stupid.
A REFRESHER ! Remeber that it took only 545 people to destroy this Republic ! Every damned problem we have is from the incompetent, greedy, corrupt actions of 435 House members, 100 Senators, 9 Supreme Court Justices and ONE STINKING WELAFARE RAT of a president ! How weak we are…. Brings tears to the eyes of Real Americans ! I hope we survive.
Don't leave!!! We have to stay and fight, that is what happened to Germany. Once the Nazis got in, all the people that could leave and opposed nazism left. There was no one left to fight off the bad guys. I for one will stay and fight. Whether with ballot, by going to jail, or with a gun. If they want me, well, lets put it this way, I am an Italian broad that fought her way out of the ghetto, and I will be damned if I am going to let the government of the country I love put me back.
I'm all done talking about the problems. They have been identified. I'm ready to act.
Thanks for the comment.
I have fought for this country my entire life.
I just want left alone. I want to wakeup in the morning, and not feel like I am a target. I want to go to bed at night, and not feel like I have been at war all day long. I just want left alone.
Am I alone at feeling like this? Nope. There are a whole lot of the silent majority out there that feel the same way. We are tired of being attacked 24/7, by a government of tyrants.
To coin a phrase: "There are two america's" The one we used to know, the one that generations of families have fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy today. Then there is the other america, the one that does more taking than giving, the one that complains about inequality and fairness. Of the two I prefer the former rather than the latter.
I work, I pay taxes, I volunteer in my community and I support the charitable causes striving to make a difference. I have been down on my luck, I have had times of struggle and still continue to struggle but one way or another I will find my way through these times. I do not look for nor expect anyone to do for me what I can do for myself. I have never applied for assistance though many times I could have. I don't fault others who do but expect them to do what they can.
What ever became of the idea of personal responsibility?
Hey RightSide, I am with you all the way,,,so long as we do it in an environmentally friendly manner. I am thinking of turning the capitol into a giant recycling compost pit… my bad,,,it already is!
Tax is money and money is time and time is life.
It is your life they are stealing no matter the language.
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Getting back to the point of this article, I am prepared to make a prediction: With this proposed tax on passive income, and in particluar interest income. Consider this::::When you factor in this absurd tax idea with inflation and the time and opportunity value of money,,, I predict the death of the deposit/CD/Bond market in favor of precious metals and buried (literally) money. As a consequence of this one action a whole chain of disasterous events unfolds. Time deposits and bonds are the engine of development and credit in this country. Damage this market and you destroy the foundation of our entire economic system. You will not hear a bell ring when this chain of events starts, but the results will be all around us. If the public loses favor with investing their savings in favor of keeping it in cash, GAME OVER!
I think that every person who says "The people vote against their own best interests" should be drawn and quartered! The underlying assumption of that statement is that THEY are better qualified to determine OUR self-interest than WE are! This was not the attitude of the people who founded this country on the principle that government should be of, by, and for the people. That one little conjunction has caused all the problems. "OF" and "BY" are designed to LIMIT the "for." Instead, this attitude sets the "FOR" at the top of the pyramid, and appropriates it to be their exclusive province
Good thing you used "anon", it helps to hide your stupidity.
Income derived from investing. Which means that Buffet invested what was left after paying higher taxes on his original income. Once you raise the taxes on investments, dividends, etc. then those people will withdraw their money from said investments which means that businesses will reduce payroll from lack of funds being available. We see that right now with our economy, lack of investment due to Congressional/Presidential policies, businesses having trouble getting any investment funding whether from people like Buffet or banks, layoffs and going out of business, raising unemployment!
According to a study by the Manhattan Institute, Obama's proposed new "investment tax" would be disproportionately paid by residents of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. New Yorkers would pay 12 to 15 percent of the total funds raised by the tax; New Jersey residents would pay 7 to 9 percent.
Kinda like a "Cornhusker Kickback" in reverse …
It is absolutely amazing how one little word placed in the right place changes everything:
Freedom OF Religion became Freedom FROM Religion, BIG difference!! Just as the framers knew the constitution and the Bill of Rights were designed to PREVENT the government from harming the people, defining what they cannot do TO the people.
Obama wants to change that one little word from: TO to FOR. In the change, everything changes. The government becomes the mother and father in every household. I don't mind the government being my UNCLE SAM but I damn well don't want to be calling it DADDY!!
Yep. Words matter way more than most people realize. Think they are all just trying to outdo John Edwards, whom Ann Coulter calls the "National Baby-Daddy?"
Obamacare Taxing Your Savings and Investments in the Name of Fairness by Greg Knapp"
"Congress can raise taxes because it can persuade a sizable fraction of the populace that somebody else will pay."
– Milton Friedman
And, is this what makes obama a good communicator? Help me, please! Look, his vice-president ran for president, but plagiarism forced him to drop out! Notice, it doesn't stop him from being Vice President, though! Help!
I hear ya. I too have fought for this country my entire life. Stick around for a little bit and see whether our younger patriots will crush the Progressive movement. If not then perhaps we can look at a massive migration, preferably to an island, and institute the Constitution there.
Right on there Dhaffy…. and why should one person earn one penny more than another?????
Smiley Che and Smiley Mao shirts
Sounds like a class action lawsuit, direct to SCOTUS, for violation of the Constitution by Congress and the President. Remedy is simple, conviction of violating their oath to said Constitution and immediate dismissal from office.
Smiley-smiley
Happy-happy!!!!!!!!!
We can all watch American Idol and Survivor.
Wait until you retire and see how many taxes you continue to pay to keep medicare &SSI going, even though you are reaping their benifits after paying in all your working life.The USA needs a flat rate tax and a constitutional amendment to balance the budget and keep it that way.But what do I know…
For many reasons.
ok moanon who paid more….is actual dollars….ok i will use your math you take the 18 grand and I will take the mill…..idiot….
Can't we all just get along or at least submit?
Love, Rodney
Sounds like you need to get a job, anon. Posting drivel and insults on a blog isnt a job, no matter what Valerie Jarret tells you. The point here isnt that one person is paying more than another, the point is that NOONE should pay more then another! I know you flushed your brains down the toilet along with your kookoo puffs cereal, but don't waste our time with your ignorance.
This is Obama's 2009 US Budget – "A New Era of Responsibility: Renewing America's Promise. The President's Budget and Fiscal Preview".
Quotes from this piece of work –
"While middle-class families have been playing by the rules, living up to their responsibilities as neighbors and citizens, those at the commanding heights of our economy have not."
“…the top 10% of households "held" 70% of total wealth.”
“…It's a legacy of irresponsibility, and it is our duty to change it."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12368186030580282...
Sources! Surely a genius like you hase some? No? Then sit down and hush like a good little lib.
I'm not a woman!!! I am white though!!
Besides my wife passed on 2 years ago.
God you are a cowardly little statist jerk. Spin on it.
If they don't take away our right to vote by then!!!! That maybe their next move!!!!
"What do you think passive income is? For most people it's interest on your savings!"
Interest on your savings is INCOME you simple minded fool.
And income gets taxed. Savings do not.
God you people are stupid.
"God you people are stupid. "
You sound like a broken record.
"Tax, Bush, Haiburton, Stupid, Change, Tax, Bush, Haiburton, Stupid, Change, Tax, Bush, Haiburton, Stupid, Change, "
Do you ever use the power of reason?
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Bulls eye on the first shot! No wonder the poster used "anon" to hide his/hers/its ignorance.
So, the people of NY and NJ find other places to put their money…Swtzerland, offshore accounts, etc., and then we have to "bailout" the fat cats again by supporting all the programs that these states can't live without, because they aren't getting the money they counted on. Here's the reason why "taxing the rich" never works: The rich have OPTIONS.
Why should one citizen pay one penny in taxes more than another? They get the same vote.
Cowboy, my husband is retired Navy, and I asked him if he
would be able to serve the country today like he did for 22
years…The caliber of officers are different, half the people
if not more have their hand-out and wouldn't dream of
defending their country for 10 minutes, all they want is freebies.
The politicians aren't worth a crap, except for a very few…He
never really answers, but my answer would be no…I couldn't
defend what is going on today by politicians, our fellow
citizens, and the so-called military officers….But if we don't
stay on and fight, who will???….I only hope we all live long
enough to see the pendulum swing back to the constitution
and all that it holds true……It is terribly frustrating, and I never
thought we would see the type of stuff going on, let alone
having a marxist leading the assault on us…….
The stupid one appears to be the one that follows Obumble like a
little drone, poor anon, he sure is stupid!!…He allows Obumble to fill
his empty head with bullcrap…..The best thing is to ignore the ignoramous!
"A healthy state can exist only when the men and women who make it up lead clean, vigorous, healthy lives; when the children are so trained that they shall endeavor, not to shirk difficulties, but to overcome them; not to seek ease, but to know how to wrest triumph from toil and risk." — President Theodore Roosevelt
Don't you remember ? We the People of The United States have "NO STANDING"with the Courts…..
It is just a downward spiral into fascism any way you slice it. The problem with Democrats and their stinking methods is that it is all based on the theory of the people having a collective mind. They even assume they will eradicate crime eventually, in theory. They are led by theories. This stinking despots are in an evolutionary trance, and many conservatives are actually rowing with them, though they currently ostensibly resist them, simply because they also accept Darwinism to some degree. It is my formal opinion that if one accepts Darwinism then they are inevitably a social liberal. Darwinism is the non-Christ religion. Humanism. Self-worship……. Theory followers.
I think people in US have to pay huge amount of taxes. Ranging from a small pin to a car, people have to pay good amount of tax. This is how government is earning revenue.
Sam@roofmaintenance
Sam Congdon and Daniel MacMullin are the offshore promoters that have scammed people in the past and provided client records to the IRS and U.S. Senate Finance Committee in exchange for immunity. Their companies, Rockford Global Solutions and Equity Development Group are still operating so do not get involved with these companies unless you want trouble with legal authorities or to do jail time.
Sam Congdon and Daniel MacMullin are the offshore promoters that have scammed people in the past and provided client records to the IRS and U.S. Senate Finance Committee in exchange for immunity. Their companies, Rockford Global Solutions and Equity Development Group are still operating so do not get involved with these companies unless you want trouble with legal authorities or to do jail time.
What has Obama done…..the World was on the verge of collasping in 2008……..bailouts, layoffs, talk of another Great Depression. The "people" voted, Obama won and now you think its all his fault……make sence to you?
Thanks for the , I’ll keep checking back for more stuff, bookmarked!
I dont have any money(between taxes and the murder of my husband) barely get by-however-looking back at some misguided relatives-one who came here , had a talent for real estate , and had a comfortable life. his brother came here went to work and joined the communist party. Why-bacause he somehow felt it wasnt his fault he never attained what his brother had. And so it is being played out today-except losers or and whiners have the goverment telling them that they have a right to what they did not earn.
This is a wonderful opinion. The things mentioned are unanimous and
needs to be appreciated by everyone.
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