Insurance Industry Stung By Health Care Deal
by Gregory ConkoWith much of the health care reform debate still focused on the wisdom of including a government-run, “public” health insurance “option,” too many of us are neglecting a far more insidious feature of the Democratic proposals: the mandatory purchase requirement. Under each of the bills moving through Congress, every person living in the United States would be required by law to have health insurance. And, if your employer doesn’t provide you with it, you’ve got to buy it yourself or pay a monetary penalty.

What’s more, the proposals would make it more difficult to get some of the options that are available now — particularly the low-cost insurance plans that cover only catastrophic health events and have substantial cost-sharing features. And, depending on which bill would eventually be enacted into law, Congress, state insurance commissioners, and/or a federal Health Choices Commissioner would get to dictate what benefits have to be covered in every policy, and would be empowered to determine whether any given plan even qualifies as health insurance. The end result will be considerably higher costs for almost every person living in the country.
On the other side of the equation, the Democratic proposals would mandate that every insurance company has to issue a policy to anyone who wants to enroll, and would forbid premiums from being based on the enrollee’s health status. The expectation is that healthy young people would subsidize the health care costs of those who are older or sicker. But states that have enacted these guaranteed issue and community rating mandates see premiums rise and healthy individuals drop their coverage. After all, if insurers must issue a policy to all comers, why not wait until after you get sick to sign up?
Early on in the health care debate, the insurance industry agreed to support guaranteed issue and community rating, but only if Democrats would implement the mandatory purchase requirement. That made Democrats happy because the number of uninsured Americans would fall if being uninsured were made illegal. (So much for “my body, my choice,” eh Nancy Pelosi?) And the insurance industry was happy because more people would be forced to buy their products, hyper-inflated prices or not.
Trouble is, in all of this back-door finagling, someone forgot about ordinary Americans. It turns out that most people don’t like the idea of being fined for choosing not to buy health insurance. In turn, Democrats were forced to lower the penalty on people who choose to go without it. And that means there will be fewer healthy people in the system to subsidize the rest. All of which leaves the insurance industry holding the bag.
Janet Trautwein, CEO of the National Association of Health Underwriters, has an op-ed in today’s Wall Street Journal whining that a weak individual purchase mandate is bad for everyone, and insisting that Congress give people less choice, not more. It’s unfortunate, to be sure, that hundreds of millions of Americans will face higher health insurance premiums generated by ill-considered legislation. But, no one should feel bad for those in the health insurance industry who tried to cut this lousy deal.
Someone should tell Janet Trautwein that, if you lie down with dogs, you might get fleas.





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It's the scorpion and the frog, anyone that thinks a progressive wont stab you in the back hasn't ever dealt with one.
Not on topic but still a LOL moment
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I have no idea if this is support of or opposition to Obama, but it's sure wierd coming from the land of MAO, one of Lord Obama's heroes.
Let's not forget this is Unconstitutional.
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First of all, obviously, not everybody will have to BUY health insurance. If you can't afford, you will get one from the government for free.
However, if you can afford health insurance, why not buy to begin with? Considering the cost of health care, it always makes sense to have basic heath insurance.
I know this would never happen but it is fun to imagine it. On the day all this insanity goes into effect, 50 million americans walk to their nearest police station and inform the police that they have no health insurance, they will not pay the 'penalty' and they are reporting to be arrested and jailed. And then refuse to leave until they are arrested and jailed. Do you think the Democrats would dismiss a demonstration like that as mere Astro-turfing?
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Years ago, my sick newborn was dropped from my insurance. I did not need the government to intervene. We were able to find, after six months of no coverage, an insurance company willing to cover him. We then proceeded to pay the medical bills that had not been covered. Sure it took us quite a few years to pay off the bills, but I would rather do that again than have to endure a government-run health-care system. By the way, I am a stay-at-home mom and my husband is in construction. We are far from wealthy.
My point is–leave us alone!
Did you miss the part where "basic health insurance" is not sufficient to avoid the penalty? Only a government-approved plan, premium dependent on income, will be accepted.
You're probably also unaware that some religious groups do not use insurance (purchase implies a lack of confidence in God)–why should they be taxed or imprisoned for religious practice?
I like it. It sums up Obama's decision making process perfectly.
Mr. Conko is correct in defining this legislation as insidious.
At its foundation, this bill enacts a writ of lifetime indenture for each citizen of the United States. Your right to exist here will now be predicated on you paying for insurance, or to the government. Unlike taxes, which confiscate the fruits of your labor, this confiscation is an obligation from birth, and you could go to jail if you do not participate. If you earn nothing, you owe no tax. The day this is signed into law, each one of us will have a permanent liability to the state. Nice.
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(So much for “my body, my choice,” eh Nancy Pelosi?)
Yes, isn't it absurd that the same people who demand I be allowed to "choose" a specific "procedure" (sneer quotes) on my uterus also demand I be forbidden from choosing medical treatments on other parts of my body without their approval.
Damn straight. We were without insurance when my wife got pregnant the first time, and couldn't afford a policy with a low deductible. When we miscarried, we had the privilege of paying monthly premiums, and the full cost of a D&C plus other hospital incurred charges. To cover costs, we juggled credit cards, skipped payments on other stuff, juggled more credit cards…We're in a debt management program now, and we'll be debt free in three years.
Still preferable to a government run system.
"You're probably also unaware that some religious groups do not use insurance"
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I am unaware of that. Well, obviously, no policy can satisfy every single American. As for me personally, my parents taught me to always have health insurance. So I am fine with ObamaCare.
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Big Union is gaming this bill. No portability and no competition across state lines. Who exactly does that benefit? Or worse who is victimized by these obviously pertinent conditions to solving a HUGE issue for the American worker?
Does Big Union fear if given a chance many union 'members' would bolt the hell out of Dodge if they knew a loss of benefits were off the table? What other explanation could there be for Congressional "Leaders" to completely betray those who are left behind by the tsunami of malfeasance perpetrated on the American workforce?
And what about non-union workers? Why are they considered second rate citizens? An American worker is an American worker. Damn proud too. Is it not enough that workers pay their taxes? Why are they steering the rest of America into a system that extracts union dues on top of Local, State and Federal taxes? The same 'union dues' that are spent not on union members but spent on millionaire politicians.
It may be a bad habit to ask questions that I have answers to but America better look where this is headed. It's enough to make the highly mobile and highly productive American to say 'Hasta la vista, baby' to the masses that permit this dysfunction. Your mess. You clean it up.
America is the greatest country in the world. And the Titanic was once the greatest ship in the world.
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"Well, obviously, no policy can satisfy every single American."
So why FORCE everyone to have it, genius?
God, libtards are SO stupid…
Actually, I think this is an excellent idea…and I just might try it…
Not that the idea of being in jail is a good one…but I would claim the title of "political prisoner" and raise such a stink for a National Platform to air my plight…and I'm quite clever; I would love to push this to the Supreme Court and have it all tossed out…
The Insurance Industry?
They're just learning:
THE REVOLUTION WILL BE APP'D!
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Lets not forget the government is FORCING us to do this through fines and veiled threats. What happened to freedom of choice? Not to mention why should I have to pay for the government option if I am happy with my current insurance? I shouldn't have to subsidize abortions and illegal immigrants with my hard-earned tax dollars to make politicians feel good about themselves.
I have recently gone through such an event, and my condolences for your loss.
so was that artwork racist?
are you serious? are you serious?
Still preferable to a government run system.
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You MUSt be joking. People like you are the reason I hate the GOP.
You're fine with Obamacare? I have insurance also. It's a PPO. Expensive, but our choice. Obama is selling insurance policies. He isn't selling quality healthcare. All his talk about quality care is just BS. When you add 30 million people to the rolls and don't increase the doctor base, but instead add 111 federal agencies, you've got a bureaucratic boondoggle that will probably cost 10X what he's claiming, top heavy with government pencil pushers. My premiums will likely increase to pay for others, yet we will have to wait months to see a doctor. Who knows when we'll get that MRI. We're being penalized for the iiresponsibility of others. For those who can't afford it, there's Medicaid. But the government ran that into the toilet also.
"If you can't afford, you will get one from the government for free. "
Free, really…. so who will be paying for this "free" stuff?
A pity they didn't teach you the importance of the Constitution and the concept of free choice.
What? People with a brain as compared to those who would rather let the government do their thinking for them?
Sorry for your loss Nathan.
Excellent point.
The free-sharing of opinions is one of the reasons I love America. But ubiquitous rudeness is one of the reasons I hate lefties.
free? what? you were in that line for money in detroit, weren't you? where does the money to pay for all this come from? nothin' free in this life, sweetie, guess your parents never taught you that. and before you argue that it will only come from the "rich" (though i live in socal where there is NOTHING rich about making 250K/yr before taxes) you probably need a short lesson in reality…"rich" people create the jobs, if the rich are taxed, do you think they're gonna hire more people or less? do you think they are going to charge less or more for their "services?" seriously, do libs never think about these things? this is basic business math.
insurance company executives must have been heavily drugged .
but what about the congress's refusal to use the same program as the public ?? there's the wood for a revolutionary fire !! to the ramparts !
Mom4no_hate, you are what I call a true American Citizen. Insurance nor Government adds value to that product called health care. Insurance purpose was to share the risk among a group of like minded group of people, with the purpose of gaming the system to make a profit.
Government at the federal level is our worst money offering nothing of value. Stealing that would make a pirate blush.
twinespc, you are a troll or stupid, you can't be both. http://www.dixhistory.com
People who take responsibility for their own situation are the reason you hate the GOP? Most people would salute him. I do.
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How can you criticize someone paying their own way through life. What did YOUR parents teach YOU??
Health insurance mandates are not authorised by the constitution.
Health insurance is not a right of the people under the constitution. The government does not owe you free prozac.
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"The Democratic Party platform of 1960 summarises the switch boldly and explicitly. It declares that a Democratic Administration “will reaffirm the economic bill of rights which Franklin Roosevelt wrote into our national conscience sixteen years ago.”
Bear clearly in mind the meaning of the concept of “rights” when you read the list which the platform offers:
“1. The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.
“2. The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.
“3. The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living.
“4. The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home and abroad.
“5. The right of every family to a decent home.
“6. The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.
“7. The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accidents and unemployment.
“8. The right to a good education.”
A single question added to each of the above eight clauses would make the issue clear: At whose expense?
Jobs, food, clothing, recreation(!), homes, medical care, education, etc., do not grow in nature. These are man-made values—goods and services produced by men. Who is to provide them?
If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor.
Any alleged “right” of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right."
Sorry for your loss No_Big_Gov.
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Did you ever wonder what life was like before the government decided what everyone, BUT THEM, should do?
It wasn't all that long ago, when people had to take care of themselves, when they were ill and had to see a doctor and plan for their own retirements and possible unemployment. And no, people didn't just die or live in abject poverty.
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Sounds like a dream doesn't it. Planning our lives and paying for it ourselves with no help from Big Brother. Kinda sounds like the American dream——hmmm.
Think about all the insurance you're now forced to carry, then tell me why you think your legislators wouldn't choose to disregard your wishes.
If every intelligent person in this country suddenly chooses to become informed and active … and we're all very, very lucky …. it might be that we can win this fight that should have been fought decades ago.
Call me Mr. BuzzKill, but there are days I hope the whole "2012" thing is NOT a hoax.
I keep looking the the CTRL-ALT-DEL keys, but they seem to be hidden…
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Ignorance is bliss. Well sweetie, since I am one of the lucky ones that has been looking for a job since August, how do I pay for the government healthcare plan? And if I can't, I go to jail? Maybe you'll pay for mine out of the goodness of your heart!?!?
It was there, for all, once……………not all that long ago.
Wouldn't it be nice to get that all back?
Two perpetual (and misleading) comments I seem to hear every day –
1) "14,000 people lose their insurance every day!" -this has been repeated constantly for the past 10 months or so…why is it the infamous 47 million number never changes? Seems that 14,000/day would increase the total?
2) "No more pre-existing conditions" – my understanding is that the House bill changes the lookback period to 30 days…this means that anyone who walks in with a current condition – cancer, spinal damage, countless other chronic conditions – these people will Still not be eligible for insurance! If the past 30 days can be used to deny insurance, there are a Lot of people who will be in the same boat? I'm keeping an eye out to see how this provision looks when it comes out of conference (If the Senate passes anything), but as is, I think there are plenty of people with pre-existing conditions that are going to be very surprised when they're denied. What then? I suppose only the PUBLIC plan will take them?
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True, it wasn't that long ago. But it was very different back then. For instace, people only lived 35 years on average.
these idiots in Congress must have stock in Vasoline, they have more ways to screw us then we can count !
It's a 6 month wait for pre-existing conditions. But this is what Pelosi did. She cut a deal with the insurance companies that they must cover those with pre-existing conditions; however, they would be immune to lawsuits. So if they deny treatment to those with pre-existing conditions for whatever reason, the patients have no legal recourse. So it's another condition to purchase insurance, with no guarantee of treatment or at least doctor recommended treatment.
Really? People only lived to the age of 35……………in the 1930s? IN WHAT UNIVERSE?
There was no Social Security until 1935.
There was no unemployment payments until 1935, as well.
Almost no employers gave any form of health insurance benefits to their employees until the 1940s and back then, it was rare rare and a union thing.
Seat belts in cars, having to wear helmets when riding a motorcycle or even a tricycle, and other such nannystate stuff has only been forced down out throats in the past few decades.
And FYI……………….most people have lived far longer than 35, absent war, in this nation, for most of its existence. Hell, even in the Middle Ages, absent the Black Plague, many people lived far beyond the age of 35 !
You cannot ADD 10 or is it 40 million to the current healthcare system without seeing a waiting line. You cannot take the “free market system” out of the healthcare equation without seeing a DROP in the current amount healthcare professionals willing to work for a “mere exsistance.” Healthcare WAGES&BENEFITS will need to be cut/contained. GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS-will not entertain going into the medical field. Educational costs to get your license, and CONTINUING EDUCATIONAL COSTS which are not provided by your employer to keep licensure. Nursing Assistant’s CEU’S are usually covered, by the employer. Nursing Assistant’s would be better off working in fast food. Less chance for permanent injury, less work, health insurance, less responsibility-same pay.
Oh geez. Here we go… Another Lib that can't understand the simple logic that nothing is "free", especially if it comes from the government.
In “aroundabout way,” if the employers have to provide healthcare benefits it would be ONE LESS reason to have a UNION IN HOUSE! All these thugs do is take your hard earned dollars, and they really don’t give a damned about the employee. These employees are “used” as a means to an end. I consider them legal thugs-just like the mafia!
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A lot of complaints in this post, but no solutions. 'What does the author propose to do, for individuals that would like to buy health insurance, but are unable to due to bad health and working for a company that doesn't offer a plan?
Quick fact: If someone works for a company that provides group health insurance, which is a large majority of Americans, they are already participating in "mandatory coverage."
What the government and insurance companies have attempted to do, is apply the group health model the country as a whole. They did it clumily, secretively, and with all that's involved it's not surprising that people are rebelling.
We need to choose, which is worse: denying sick people access to proper health care, just because they are too unlucky to to have coverage, or should we carry the burden of making sure all U.S. citizens have reasonable access to good health care. I choose the latter.
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Thanks for your kind words, and I'm sorry to hear of your loss too.
For thousands of years the rule was "If you don't work you don't eat." Where do Libs get off coming into MY Garden and taking MY Food ? Some are ignorant, some are just plain STUPID !
Made a deal with the Devil……….
Politicians rely on the "Uninformed" and the Stupid" . Who in thier right mind puts trust in these people ?
Quick fact: If someone works for a company that provides group health insurance, which is a large majority of Americans, they are already participating in "mandatory coverage."
Actually, you can turn down your company health ins so it's not really a mandatory coverage…
It all stems from Obama being in bed with SEIU… Below is a rgeat article from National Review showing how SEIU and Obama are doing this to increase medical spending and increase union members…
http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=ZGFmMDY4...
It's funny how they don't seem to understand something so simple. Where is common sense these days?
Twinespc, "hate" is very strong language. I must say I grow weary of those who do not understand that government is NOT here to solve all our problems (as a matter of fact they are here to "protect" us and in many respects have done a very poor job of that (ie. Ft. Hood, Maddoff, etc.). Your mentality is one of the biggest problems we have; people like you who simply refuse to understand that the more control you give government, the more freedoms you give up. I am self-employed and suffering financing right now, but for 22 years I have preferred to work (up to 18 hours a day at times in the early years) in order to live life on my own terms and make my own choices. The only "government help" I EVER received was Medicaid for my 17-yr-old daughter when she was diagnosed with cancer; and that only for 1 year (this was a great help when help was needed as my ex-husband had just recently cancelled our health insurance, unfortunately, when disaster struck!). When it came time to apply for Medicaid renewal, I REFUSED as I was on my way back to "on my feet again" and did NOT take advantage of the handout. Please stop "hating" people for loving their freedoms and preferring to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps INSTEAD of putting their hands out for help! It just does not make ANY sense to me!
I sure hope there are Constitutional lawyers out there ready to help with this "mandatory" insurance BS. I looked carefully and couldn't find that clause in the Constitution!
The whole idea of being forced to buy insurance is nonsense. I recently moved from a large city to a smaller one. In the large city I tried to get a physician for my father. No one would take him. Why? No room at the inn. When I moved, I again tried. Again no luck. The local clinics were already over loaded. I don't know what the problem is here but under a mandated system, it cannot get any better. Only worse. The result of that will be that those of us who would rather make appointments with a doctor but cannot, end up going to the emergency room. Moral of this exercise? The more you cram, the less you get.
A. An obsession with acquiring power. B. Dan Henninger (WSJ) said it right in a recent video interview. The leftists/ "liberals"/ "progressives", are stuck in a world of telegraphs and typewriters while the rest of us live in the world of iphones and instant messaging. They think old world, old hat. Just old and stagnant. Like a musty basement.
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And the carrier can reject coverage of the entire company if they don't get enough participation, usually 75%. It's to avoid adverse selection (insuring only the sick while the healthy get a free ride).
So, while it's not LEGALLY required for individuals to sign up for their company plan, businesses that don't enforce this coverage percentage risk losing coverage for everyone. So, a business that is organized and has an informed HR department does make it mandatory to either participate or provide proof if insurance elsewhere. .
It sure would be nice to log on here every day, and see a daily listing of specific portions of the health care bill, so that readers can spread the word in order to reach those that don't realize just what the health care bill is all about. A daily listing of health care chapter and verse might go far in turning up the heat on this blatant attempt by the Obama administrations attempt to socialize our great nation.
Put these jerk politicians in jail when they dont do what they say theyre gonna do in their campaigns
or KY jelly
so we all go to jail. we will have lots of company. i think we are going to see a big standoff worse then the tea party
NOTHING is free.
That's from the Old Testament; even GOD believes that charity ( and that's what the verse refers to ), though something everyone should freely give, should not go to any able bodied person who refuses to so anything at all.
The Mass. Bay Colony tried a form of SOCIALISM the first year and ended it quickly, after that, because while some people worked, others did nothing, yet all shared in everything. Those that worked were very upset ( rightfully so ) and many declared that if the status quo continued,they wouldn't put up with it.
Government ( Pelosi, Reid, and Obama and his horde of Socialists/Marxists/card carrying Commie ) are all doing their damnedest to turn this nation into some revolting mess, where our lives and livelyhood are not our own.
Yes, the Libs are ignorant and stupid, but worse yet, most of them are also greedy, envious, and lazy.
Uhhhhhm
A question.
If you get charged and go to jail in the US. You lose your vote.
If you get charged and go to jail in the US; don't you also lose the ability to own or possess a firearm?
And end-run on the Second Amendment built into the bill with the jail provisions?
If jail is good enough for us; it's good enough for Pelosi.
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Why should we be oorced against our will to buy healthcare if we do not want it.Is it right to fine us or send us to jail for not compling to this government take over.
"Still preferable to a government run system. "
oh, dear.
Unfortunate the best verb this writer could develop was "whining" while regarding the oped. Hands down Janet Trautwein knows more about the consumers and professionals in the health care mix than any reporter, preceded drug company affiliate, sans real life experience: Have you always had a health insurance policy?
The thing is, I learned from my one mistake. I went out and got a job with health insurance. While on that job, I used its education assistance program to advance my education. Working 10 pm to 8 am, leaving work to go straight to class, and then coming home to babysit my newborn so my wife could go to work–it wasn't fun at all. But you know what? One year after that started, I got a new job, with what amounts to a 300% raise, with 9-5 hours, and an even better health plan. And I did that myself. The government did not help me, and I think that if they had, I'd have been content to take my handout, rather than pull myself up by my bootstraps. Pride. Self-worth. Teachable moments. The government can't provide that.
We've had lots of "medical tragedies" since then. And they've been paid for, up front, by my year of sleepless nights and sleepless days, 50 hour workweeks, and full time studies.
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