So, What Actually Came of the ‘Tea Party Election’ of 2010?
by Frank SalvatoWe were so full of “hope” for “change.” No, I am not talking about the election of Barack Obama, one of the most effective Progressive presidents in American history. I am speaking of the excitement felt within the Conservative, Libertarian and Center Right and Left political communities after the 2010 election delivered the House and a non-filibuster proof Senate to the American people. Finally, most of us thought, some balance in the federal government. Maybe, just maybe, the Progressives and Liberal Democrats in federal government would be forced to the table of true and honest compromise; compromise fitting of a truly free people. But, as we look back over the year, what did we really get for all that so-called “compromise?”
With Republicans in control of the US House of Representatives, the body where – by the mandate of the US Constitution – all legislation relating to revenue is to begin, many on the Right and in the Center believed that the reckless and spendthrift fiscal actions of the 111th Congress would be constrained if not reversed. With a sizable number of new members identifying with the oft demonized TEA Party, there was high hope for a glimmer of fiscal sanity to emerge from the halls of Congress. And while the TEA Party members of Congress are to be congratulated for doing exactly what their constituents sent them to Washington to do, in the end, they were thwarted by establishment, inside the beltway Republicans and the despotic obstructionism foisted upon them by Senate Majority leader Harry Reid, D-NV, (to be fair, Reid was aided by a less than reform-minded Republican leadership in the senate, led by Mitch McConnell, R-KY).
The Budget
In absolute defiance of the fact that it is law that Congress must pass an annual budget for the federal government, Senate Democrats – once again, led by the indignant political disgrace that is Harry Reid – refused to abide by said law in passing, reconciling and advancing to the President an annual budget. It has been over 900 days – almost three years – since the last budget has been presented to the President for his signature or veto.
Of this, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-AL, Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee, and Rep. Paul Ryan, R-WI, Chairman of the House Budget Committee, wrote:
“As required by law, House Republicans presented a budget in committee, brought it to the floor, and passed it earlier this spring. It was an honest, detailed, concrete plan to put our budget on the path to balance and our economy on the path to prosperity. But Senate Democrats, during this time of national crisis, failed even to present a budget plan – in open defiance of the law and the public they serve. Senate Majority Leader Reid said it would be ‘foolish’ to have a budget…This is the second consecutive year Senate Democrats have disregarded the legally mandated budget process.”
They went on to call Reid’s obstructionist tactics “a national disgrace,” and they couldn’t be more correct.
Debt & Deficit
On this date back in 2008, as we were approaching the catastrophe that would be the “historic election” of someone who was, arguably, the most ill-prepared person in the history of our nation to the presidency of the United States, the US National Debt stood at approximately $10.7 trillion. Our federal budget deficit was at almost $500 billion and our Gross Debt to GDP Ratio was at 75.361 percent. We weren’t in the greatest financial shape and the horizon had some ominous clouds heading our way in the form of a mortgage meltdown that led to a significant recession, which led to a financial markets crisis, all of which put the world – the entire world – on the brink of financial calamity.
Today, three years later, President Obama and his financial gurus – otherwise known as the Manson Family of financial ineptitude – tell us we are “on the mend,” we have “turned the corner,” – even as unemployment remains around 9 percent on average, but that there is “a lot more work to do” and that we should allow him four more years to complete his work toward righting the ship of state – or, as the aware see all too well, his “transformation of the United States of America.” But what have his efforts achieved?
As it stands today, the US National Debt is $15.1trillion. Our federal budget deficit is $1.3 trillion and our Gross Debt to GDP Ratio is 100.480 percent. An even more relevant number – in light of all the “fixing” that Mr. Obama, Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi have been doing – is the US Unfunded Liabilities, you know, the total the government is committed to paying out for all those nanny state entitlements, including Medicare, Social Security, Prescription Drug Benefits and, now, Obamacare. The Unfunded Liabilities held by the US federal government is a stunning $117.011 trillion. I’m going to write the full number out so you can see it, accurate to extent that the lower numbers are rolling so incredibly fast I can only be relevant to the billions digits: $117,011,381,000,000 and climbing.
On Tuesday it was announced that President Obama will ask for a third increase of the debt ceiling limit this year, raising that limit to $16.394 trillion.
Boards, Agencies & Departments
With the seating of the 112th Congress, we all held the hope that some of the more activist federal boards, agencies and departments would at least have their funding scrutinized and perhaps adjusted so that the Progressive activists and special interest cronies seated to their leadership would be restrained from ruling roughshod over the American private sector through President Obama’s favorite tool: legislation via regulation. But that financial leash failed to appear.
The Boeing Corporation felt the sting of the National Labor Relations Board when it fell victim to a labor union friendly lawsuit, filed by the NLRB, which sought to interfere with the construction of a new plant in South Carolina; a plant that promises to create thousands of new jobs. The lawsuit was later dropped only because Boeing, in juxtaposition to what was a sound financial business decision to move to a right-to-work State (South Carolina) from a State that rolled over to union largess (Washington), acquiesced to keeping the Washington plant open.
Striking fear and promoting uncertainty in the American business community – you know, the sector that actually creates jobs – the Environmental Protection Agency is seeking to “expand” its authority and reach, transforming the EPA into what its administrator, Lisa Jackson, says will be an agency that is more “anticipatory” in its approach to environmental issues, broadening “its focus” – or regulatory reach – to include both social and economic as well as environmental “pillars.”
The vehicle for this transformation comes in the form of a $700,000 study the agency commissioned last year from the National Academies of Science. Its aim: how to use existing laws to new ends.
The EPA announced on December 21st, new national standards to cut air pollutants from power plants, a regulation that will force older facilities to close – costing thousands of people their jobs, or clean up – costing consumers more in passed on costs.
The Department of Health & Human Services, under Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, disregarding the fact that the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act (otherwise known as Obamacare) is set to be heard for its constitutionality by the US Supreme Court later this year, has moved forward with its implementation of the entitlement program. In HHS’s implementation, Sec. Sebelius has issued over 1,800 waivers to the health insurance law, mostly to Progressive and labor union friendly businesses
HHS did, however, thwart the plans of another agency, the Food & Drug Administration, to lift a controversial age limit and make Plan B One-Step – or “the morning after pill,” the nation’s first over-the-counter emergency contraceptive, available for purchase by people of any age without a prescription.
Foreign Policy
And while there was hope that controlling the purse strings in Washington would affect Mr. Obama’s dismal foreign policy record by, perhaps, scrutinizing the funding of myriad UN agency programs enveloped in graft and corruption; by questioning the allocation of funds by USAID to pro-Islamist entities in the Middle East; and by examining the distribution of foreign aid to countries, including China, Mr. Obama’s foreign policy agenda has been left unscathed, for the most part.
And we see the fruits of Mr. Obama’s global handiwork across the globe.
In the reckless pursuit of “hope and change,” international style, the pro-democracy agenda, started administrations ago, was given a dose of steroids, only to see leader after leader in the Middle East and North Africa toppled, replaced by fundamentalist – and in some cases violent – Islamist factions. In location after location, from Egypt to Libya, from Syria to Tunisia, we are witnessing the rise of organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda sympathetic factions to the seats of power, threatening a regional war for influence between the Sunni and the Shi’ite; the Shi’ites championed by an about-to-be nuclear capable Iran, another nefarious facilitation labeled an “accomplishment.”
And while it is true that US Navy Seal Team VI took out “Geronimo” – albeit not a stone’s throw away from Pakistan’s “West Point,” it can hardly be attributed to the “extended open hand of peace” that Mr. Obama said US foreign policy in the Middle East would be under his administration. Conversely, it was the continuation and, even, the escalation of former President George W. Bush’s “War on Terror” strategies that found Osama bin Laden with an extra hole in his head.
But, perhaps the biggest foreign policy disappointment – and one where Congress held significant influence to affect a positive outcome – was in the Obama Administration’s refusal to confront China on its currency manipulation.
The Washington Times reports:
“The Obama administration said Tuesday that China is making headway on its currency-valuation policies and should not be deemed a currency manipulator — fighting back against top Senate Democrats who had demanded President Obama sanction the US’s top economic competitor…
“Earlier this fall, the Democrat-led Senate passed a bill that would push the administration to declare China a currency manipulator, which would trigger automatic penalties…
“[The] Republican-led House bottled the bill up, saying it wanted to see the White House take a position. The administration has been reticent to do that, saying it feared action would spark a trade war.
“Tuesday’s report, released while Mr. Obama is vacationing in Hawaii, signals the administration has not changed its attitude and likely means the China-currency legislation is moribund in Congress.”
China owns the United States and Mr. Obama ducks the issue…he’s on vacation, don’t you know…as is Congress.
So, as 2011 winds down, a year that began with so much promise for the reform of a runaway federal government; that started with enthusiasm – at least among the freshmen TEA Party class – to affect real and meaningful change for the American people and change that would see the marginalization of the anti-American despotism exhibited by Progressives elected under the Democrat banner, what did we actually receive from our elected officials in Washington? No budget; no meaningful deficit or debt reduction and, in fact, increased debt and spending; boards, agencies and departments expanding the authority and reach of government; and a foreign policy that sees fundamentalist Islamists taking control of the Middle East and North Africa, and China getting away with currency manipulation even as they continue to receive foreign aid for their biggest debtor; the United States government.
Maybe 2012 will be different…maybe not…all I know is this: for all the compromising and deal making, for all the speeches, rhetoric and congratulations, We the People are in the very same position we were in prior to the 2010 election…and it’s pathetic.
And the debt clock keeps ticking…as does the nuclear clock in the Middle East…as does the encroachment of government into our lives…







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Spending starts in the House and Boehner gave Obama just about every penny he asked for. This year spending was down 7 billion dollars. We spend that in a day and a half in interest to China. The people in Washington are some sick puppies.
Compromise, eh?
"Observe, in politics, that the term extremism has become a synonym of "evil," regardless of the content of the issue (the evil is not what you are extreme about, but that you are "extreme"—i.e., consistent)."
"In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit."
"One can't love man without hating most of the creatures who pretend to bear his name."
"A culture is made — or destroyed — by its articulate voices."
Ayn Rand, assorted publications. All true.
OT I know but want to wish a sincere happy new year to all my BG friends from all across the spectrum.
'Cause I'm out for the night and truly wish each and every one of you the best this evening and in the coming year – and in years to come!
HT OUT
Boehner BETTER ask Reid to pass a budget BEFORE even thinking of incresing the debt limit
Yeah, if we don’t get a change in the leadership of the House and Senate GOP after the next election don’t expect to see much of a change in direction.
"………So, What Actually Came of the ‘Tea Party Election’ of 2010?…….:"
We thought we had all our bases covered, but,……
we let Boehner coach the team.
The legally required budget? Fricken dems don't care about any stinking laws. Does that legal requirement come with any penalties? Can we the people enforce the penalties?
And McConnel was the assistant. We need new leaders next term..,real leaders not these wimps!
If we hang 98% of the Republicans and 100% of the Democrats in the Congress, the nation might have a chance.
Also by Ayn Rand;
"I cannot believe that grown adults in America do not understand the evils of collectivism as clearly as I understood them at age nine."
Very good. Well, good if you like your thumb being smashed by a hammer. Ayn Rand was truly a visionary
Mr Salvato,
"… true and honest compromise" ??? "compromise fitting a truly free people"???
WTH are you talking about?
The Teas Party has done nothing.
From the article http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/23/c...
"The cavernous House chamber and the more intimate Senate floor were nearly empty as both chambers passed the bill in pro forma sessions. If any member in either chamber had objected, the deal would have been scuttled, but nobody did."
Any tea party member in either the house or the senate could have stopped this. They simply had to be there to object. This bill was passed without a quorum in either body, it wasn't even truly voted on but somehow it is now the law of the land.
IMO, problem in 2010 was, conservative candidates didn't win enough.
You cant change something as ingrained as we now have in Washington without a mega shift in power. That means not only will there have to be a major shift in the GOP from moderate to conservative, but in the Democrats as well from ding bat left to moderate at least.
And this terrible news didn't even get to the way Obama is handling the illegal immigrant and border security issues.
We Americans really failed America in November 2008. Let's not do it again in 2012. Please.
There is ABSOLUTELY nothing that anyone can do at this point. Either the budget must be cut in half or taxes need to be raised 150 percent. There are 10 thousand baby boomers a day rushing into the arms of a welfare state we haven't been able to afford for DECADES. Cut the budget to match revenue grandma and grandpa starve to death. Raise taxes to match expenses and the rest of us starve to death. Compassion unchecked by reason is suicidal and cold hard reality is walking up the drive.
The worst of it is the hit the Tea Party has taken reputation-wise.
The MSM has painted us as lunatics and the people bought it.
Moderate solutions will not fix Washington.
The train wreck continues.
"Look around you: what you have done to society, you have done it first within your soul; one is the image of the other. This dismal wreckage, which is now your world, is the physical form of the treason you committed to your values, to your friends, to your defenders, to your future, to your country, to yourself."
"In the name of the best within you, do not sacrifice this world to those who are its worst. In the name of the values that keep you alive, do not let your vision of man be distorted by the ugly, the cowardly, the mindless in those who have never achieved his title. Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and a step that travels unlimited roads. Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark, in the hopeless swamps of the approximate, the not-quite, the not-yet, the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish, in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach. Check your road and the nature of your battle. The world you desired can be won, it exists, it is real, it is possible, it's yours."
"We will rebuild America’s system on the moral premise which had been its foundation, but which you treated as a guilty underground, in your frantic evasion of the conflict between that premise and your mystic morality: the premise that man is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others, that man’s life, his freedom, his happiness are his by inalienable right."
"I am, therefore I'll think"
Smart lady. I could play this game all night. Harder to decide what to leave out than put in, really…
Oh well, back to the kitchen…
;-p'''
Until these so-called lawmakers decide to follow the laws themselves, then there is no hope for laws to be enforced and upheld. For a so called nation of laws, we are extremely lacking in this from the federal government. These fools need to be held accountable, especially the democratic held senate and Harry Reid. If it's a law that the must produce a budget, why is this not enforced? Immature political games at the expense of the rest of Americans. And our fellow Americans sit back and allow this to happen. You just can't make this up.
Did you see that folks? COLLAPSE INTO DICTATORSHIP!!! What have we been saying about Barry o-HUGO? If it quacks like a duck…
Dang you GF, you cut me off before I got my "punchline" in… ;-P * * *
BTW, Happy, happy New Year to YOU!!! ; ) We may as well live it up while we can…
SSSS!
It's important to remember what the Election of 2010 was all about. It was about stopping the Progressives from riding roughshod over the Constitution and the half of the country that doesn't agree that America should be a collective, with the state in control of every aspect of our lives. It was about restraining the rampant abuses of power by liberals in Congress and the White House.
Viewed in that light, the election of 2010 was an important success.
"……..Oh well, back to the kitchen……"
Let's just hope that after next November,….
We can;…."Go Back To The Future"
Happy New Year GF and Texas sweetie,…
from your good friend Ralphie here on the south side.
When I wake up tomorrow, God willing,…..
it will be ELECTION year.
The House (including the tea party folks) got what they wanted: a Conference Committee. There are strict rules as to the operation of the conference committee. I think this may be the first conference committee agreed to in a long time. Reid did NOT want to go to Conference. This conference should give the House GOP some leverage to get some of the things they want. Reid/BO have played a strong stonewall 'game' ever since the 2010 election. This is the first time the GOP finally got a toehold in the process. We shall see…..
Happy New Year Ralph!
Not just an election year, but an EJECTION year!
"23%" next weekend?
Yep. The sleazy dems under Reid/BO have been fleabaggers ever since the 2010 election. All they do is obstruct. I think the House GOP has done as well as could be hoped given the current situation. Folks who castigate the House GOP don't understand how the process works. The Conference Committee that has been agreed to by Reid (under duress) is a MAJOR victory for the GOP. Unfortunately the lamestream media reports half truths (lies) and the public doesn't understand the legislative process.
On a different note:
What's with all these fires springing up in LA,…..??????
I wonder if this is the beginning,.?????
But, but… It's all for the common good…
“Destruction is the only end that the mystics’ creed has ever achieved, as it is the only end that you see them achieving today, and if the ravages wrought by their acts have not made them question their doctrines, if they profess to be moved by love, yet are not deterred by piles of human corpses, it is because the truth about their souls is worse than the obscene excuse you have allowed them, the excuse that the end justifies the means and that the horrors they practice are means to nobler ends. The truth is that those horrors are their ends."
"It stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there's someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master."
"Love is the expression of one's values, the greatest reward you can earn for the moral qualities you have achieved in your character and person, the emotional price paid by one man for the joy he receives from the virtues of another."
"Love is our response to our highest values."
"I refuse to accept as guilt the fact of my own existence."
SSSS! HNY!
RON PAUL IS THE ONLY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO GETS IT!
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin681.h...
"The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."
George Washington
Reversing 60 years of progressivism and big government in one year, with a majority in one house, a minority in the other, and a Marxist in the White House…we're the Tea Party, not Superman.
Nice to see everyone giving up so early. Cowards.
China owns the United States and Mr. Obama ducks the issue…
Why is it ok to say China owns the US but not ok to say Israel or the Jews do – especially when the latter is supported by our actions? If you don't know who is in charge – ask who you can't question. It SURE isn't China and we aren't fighting China's wars.
BTW, wasn't Israel caught red-handed recently shipping Patriot Missiles to China? Seems mentioning that gets one's posts deleted – also telling.
They had over 40 years to hot wire Washington so Dems are right and GOP gets to agree; So T. Kennedy got to say I want THAT and the GOP agrees; So the GOP is always EVIL and the GOP agrees. And the GOP should beg to be pardoned by Americans and the world, and the GOP–on it's knees–agrees.
It don't all change in one election.
We got to keep pushing as you indicated…
Nobody said this was going to be a fast battle! I'm in it for the long haul!
Things are not so happy at the DNC's HQ right now!
Must be Occupy testing new gimmicks out.
We can actually show you what China's purchased here in the US. SHow us what Israel purchased. The biggest reason you can't say that is because it's patently false, but since when has that stopped you before?
Know who owns this administration? Goldman-Sachs. You want to voice concern, start there, puppet.
HNY, GF!
Happy New Year, CR!
Happy New Year, onecornpone!
Boehner the eunuch is not of the Tea party. I say we take him out in a primary this year
HNY Sweetheart!
Thanks Tp1234, Happy New Year to you too!
; )
Thanks Ralphie… Happy & prosperous New Year to you too! ; )
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So please, help me understand why I should be voting GOP?
VOTE THE GOP THE HELL OUT OF DC, IF NOT NOW, WHEN? VOTE CONSERVATIVE, VOTE ANTI RINO, VOTE FOR AMERICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN
makes ya wanna cry, if you're a real American that is…
Tomorrow is the opening day of RINO season. No bag limit.
Extinction is the goal.
We have a Tea Party?
Funny, it seemed to disappear after November 4th.
There are no 2 million march on DC anymore, but there are tons of Marxists occupying…..
If we do have a Tea Party, please come out of hiding. Please?
And Boehner & Co caved on everything except raising taxes
Funny thing happen on the way to the truth. When the tea began the republicans refused to help. They paid a little attention on 4-15-09, but the paid attention after 9-12-09, but wait 912 was not a tea party movement nor was 8-28-10, but the tea took credit. The tea would not have gotten anywhere without 912, but republicans never cared about the facts.
We're still very much on the fast track to a leninist kleptocracy. Whenever the GOP wins an election the only thing that happens is that gas pedal isn't pushed quite to the metal the way it is when the dmes are in charge.
We need to start over. Forget that I have paid into SS and Meidcare for 47 years; all entitlements need to stop. No work, no food…shelter…medical care. Don't throw the working people under the same bus as those who have gamed the system for the third generation now. Don't forget the illegals, the politicians, the subsidies to everyone (solyndra, etc). Please don't pick on the baby boomers who worked and contributed. You can't live off that money…welfare pays MORE. You are correct in saying that we will need to pay more or CUT the government by 75%. Let's start by cutting and going back to only funding the military. I would gladly accept back what I have paid into the system in a lump sum.
Republicans are way way way too concerned with being "liked." What they don't understand is that they will never be cool. But that's okay. The public expects them to be the adults in the room.
When will the GOP realize that?
The "Tea Party" movement is all about getting Ron Paul elected.
If you don't support Ron Paul, you aren't Tea Party. You're just a confused RINO that doesn't get it.
Until the Republican establishment, McConnel, Behienor(sp) are thrown out and the likes of McCain, Snow , Lugar and all the other phoney RINO's, no change or improvemnet in this country will be afforded to hard working Americans.
Do not let the Republican establishment, the main stream media and the democratic party pick your candidate for president. That is exactly what will happen if the base goes with Romney (RINO). Do not vote in another RINO for president. The last one got us a commie…..
Where the hell is the Tea Party? Thousands of marxists hippies storm our major cities ruining businesses, increasing crime and attacking the wrong institutions and all you hear from the Tea Party is the chirping of crickets??? What the hell happened America? The silent majority is strangely silent.
So then if anyone is not an atheist as Rand was, they must rate Rand as wholly evil.
Likewise if one is a "true" Randian Objectivist, one must be an atheist, and rate any non-atheist as wholly evil, along with any non-Objectivist.
I guess the U.S. is screwed no matter who is in Congress. Oh well, it was a nice country while it lasted.
We had this "discussion" many moons ago – though sadly I was not at my best then – and you failed to score a point at that time even still… Seems I remember you got frustrated, turned nasty and gave up…
YOU don't have a clue on Rand or Objectivism. You may have read one of her books, or a book about her, or most likely some short, shallow articles criticizing her by someone who has done as little or less independent reading and thought on the subject than you yourself have…
I'm not an Atheist, though that is none of your concern. I don't consider Christianity or Judaism "evil", though I find tenets of Christianity untenable and incompatible with my own view of what is proper to the life of man. I know very little on Judaism, so I keep my mouth shut on that topic, and I cease unfounded criticism of it for that very reason. I have defended the Judeo-Christian legacy as such in the modern era far more than I have attacked or criticized it.
Bring something real to the debate. Until then? Suck an egg Herr Douche-burger…
Plenty of fools may be impressed by your "book knowledge", but I see it for what it is… (regurgitation)
Happy New Year…
You posted the quote.
If you cannot accept the consequences of it that is your failing, not mine.
Your philosopher states, as you say, multiple times that there is no compromise.
You compromise Objectivism with Theism.
You are therefore wholly evil for doing so.
Plenty of fools may be impressed by your book knowledge of and devotion to Rand, but your pathetic desperation in quoting something that denies your own legitimacy then whining when it is pointed out to you merely demonstrates the pathetic fallacies required to accept such a totalitarian ideology in the first place.
Two Tea partys put out the word here in Wisconsin to help validate all the recall petition signatures by entering them into a software program that would catch duplicates & wrong addresses. In the first day they had over 1,000 volunteers.
We are still here & "Working".
You should get more involved. Nobody gets anything without effort.
No, narrow-minded one, you fail to dig deep enough – not me. I am a deist, not a "theist". Maybe a hair-splitting difference between a "religionist" and someone who believes in "creation" as such, but not an Atheist or a theist… I see that there is some wisdom in religious texts, but I also understand that ALL of them were written by men. Word of God? Prove it…
The complexity of life and existence raises other questions, and to approach those from a scientific point of view hardly precludes God or "design" (hell, it suggests design…) Good enough for a "compromise"?
You missed the point entirely anyway… As a Jew, do you "compromise" your closest held principles of morality? If so, then what is the value of your "faith"?
Religion? Perhaps another prescient quote from the one you have no desire to explore in an intellectually honest manner…
"Totalitarian ideology"? Really? Freedom is "totalitarian"? Objectivism is comprehensive and totally consistent, but "totalitarian"??? Do you hate liberty? Do you think that YOU are the ultimate arbiter on the limits of rationally pursued liberty? Should you tell me how to live? Is it your business to dispose of my property (earnings)?
I will be MORE than willing to have this debate over the course of a week or so (I work for a living – my time is limited…), so if you do not care so much how many people see our bit of fun I will be happy to prove you to be ignorant in your attacks on my philosophy. Just be prepared to answer specific questions on your own so I may pick it to pieces… Comparative text is the most fair…
Got game?
No, you don't…
Sorry book-nook, you lose… Again…
Puerile sophistry.
You are not an atheist, you believe in something else, whatever it might be.
By the definition you posted and proclaimed a fundamental of your philosophy you have compromised with evil.
Own it and move on or accept that you cannot live up to the courage of your convictions.
Yes, totalitarian.
By that quote you posted Objectivism rejects any innate value of anyone who disagrees with any of its principles in the least degree. To have any moral standing one must submit to its value system absolutely or be rejected.
That is totalitarianism.
I on the other hand do love liberty. I do not believe I am the ultimate arbiter on the limits of rationally pursued liberty. I do not seek to tell you how to live. I do not care how you dispose of your earnings.
As such, even though you believe in the vile ideology of Objectivism which presents itself as such an ultimate arbiter, which does tell you to live, which does judge how you dispose of your earning, I do not condemn you to being wholly evil simply because you disagree with me. I allow that you are still a human being, albeit an exceptionally obnoxious one, entitled to full consideration as a human being. It may be more than you deserve, but when you believe in freedom of conscience you have to accept such things.
Got game?
You cannot even begin to play this you pathetic, babbling, drone. You are a blind ideologue, drooling slogans, incapable of expressing any thought not preapproved by you erstwhile profit.
I can't speak for other cities' Tea Party movements, but in late 2009 we moved into teaching mode. Teaching people how to be precinct captains, city council members, school board members, county commission members, etc. The days of the rallys were over, we meant business. As a result, we won 80% of all city/county elections in one of the bluest cities in America. If you think we have faded or have lowered our expectations, then our quiet plan to beat the leftists at the tactics they have controlled for decades is working. We only got started in 2009/2010. 2012 will be an avalanche.
We were busy taking over 654 state legislature seats nationwide, that's where we were. The OWS will self destruct and reflect poorly on the Democrats, including Obama, so why should we try to stop it, much less give them credence by commenting on it?
Never interrupt an enemy when they are committing public suicide.
Deleted posts, eh? If that's so, Der Fuhrer, then would you please tell us how it is that your post mentioning this so-called "fact" is still visible after seven full hours… hmmm?
You clearly missed the sign that said, "Stormfront: Exit 1 Mile."
Get lost, Adolf.
Deleted posts, eh? If that's so, Der Fuhrer, then would you please tell us how it is that your post mentioning this so-called "fact" is still visible after seven full hours… hmmm?
You clearly missed the sign that said, "Stormfront: Exit 1 Mile."
Get lost, Adolf.
Herr Doktor Paul Pot is a whackjob neo-Nazi sympathizer. Bottom line.
Why do you folk always try to bring Objectivism into the religious muck? The genius about Rand is that she spent her life discerning a moraility "proper to man", that was NOT reliant on God or man. Religon didn't have anythign to do with it.
She felt that religious hucksters and leftist hucksters were two aides of the same coin; each demanding their sacrifices to their own gods. She instead, based her whole morality on simple, aristotlean logic, which responded to a simple test: reality. Morality that could be shown like a theorum. Regardless of how close you think she came, she managed to unify the essence of individual liberty across the entire Right spectrum. She should be given a lot more credit than she has gotten, and the denial of her ideas has been deliberate, in my opinion. There is no reason Objectivism should not be taught to every student in this country. She completely eviscerates Leftism for all the empty promises and poison that it is.
You are oh so correct. Look no further than incompetents in Congress who quickly learn their full time job is fund raising for themselves. They could care less about their oath of office, their sovereign responsibilities of the government to protect its citizens or think past their own re-election. Their pockets lined with payoffs it is difficult for a challenger with no money to compete. Yet, perhaps this year 2012 will be the beginning to take back the country.
We learned the Tea Party representatives were marginalized in the House and Senate by the leadership. Many Tea Party types caved to the Party leaders. They will find themselves out of jobs, too.
Let us pray there is a brave Tea Party type in his district to take him on. I will donate.
Instead of whining how about doing something for your country? If you can find the Internet you can find a Tea Party near you. There is important work going on and they could use more volunteers which actually you could do for free as a concerned patriot. You seem unaware of the work being done nationwide.
Pretty funny – the Tea Party has nothing to do with Ron Paul. The 'non existent' Tea Party influences elections and infuriates the press which 'can't find' the Tea Party! Yet every candidate insists THEY are the candidate of the Tea Party. Interesting. Meanwhile, not ONE Republican candidate has publicly sought endorsement by Sarah Palin, the one person who DOES represent Tea party ideas and she knows how to articulate common sense. Ron Paul has nothing to do with anything except his own narcissism. Thanks to Democrat financing Paul has certainly sucked up MSM air time away from real candidates.
Where are you? It seems you have Internet access. Find a Tea Party near you and get to work. It is late.
Yes, but it would be best to keep this to yourself. The whiners here should either volunteer or get out of the way.
We don't need the enemy knowing about the actual work taking place by the 'silent' majority to take back the country. Congratulations on your patriotic work.
We the Living.
The left out the only information that matters………..VOTE FOR WHO THEN? FUNNY UNCLE PAUL. GO ON THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY.
THE REST OF US REALIZE ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY AND WILL VOTE FOR ABO, ABDems, AND TAKE OUR CONGRESS AND AMERICA BACK, ONE ELECTION AT A TIME.
Bronx,
Why does one have to be a 'true' Randian Objectivist? As with other such philosophies, none of them are pure and Rand herself never made the claim that one had to be an atheist to be a true Objectivist.
Furthermore, Rand never objected to many tenets of religion. She reinforces a good number of them, despite her atheism. She also had a great deal of respect for the Founding Fathers of America and what they established, despite their religiosity, being primarily adherents of Christianity.
I don't think it should be taught, in such a manner. Her works, "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged" might be made required reading in America's high schools, particularly for juniors and seniors.
Both of these works could be considered part of the new 'classics' and probably ought to be treated as such.
I would include Asimov's 'Foundation' series of books along these lines as well. They are certainly has more militaristic elements and it wobbles about in the philosophical sense, but overall, it's still a good set of books.
There was a good deal of commenting about the 'occupy' protests, including from individuals in the Tea Party Movement. We tried to stop them from committing these acts of stupidity. They failed to heed our words and went on with their trashy protests. When someone is hell-bent on committing suicide, they'll do so no matter what you try to say or do about it. Sometimes all you can do is shake your head at people that intent of self-destruction.
My intention isn't to pick on the baby boomers, but I do believe they'll prove to be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. They began retiring at a rate of 3.5 million a year on Jan.1 of 2011 and the cost of carrying them through retirement is going to add well over a trillion dollars to the federal budget every 4 years for the next 2 decades. I agree that we should start by eliminating corruption, fraud and welfare, but for that to have any noticable impact it really needed to be done 20+ years ago. The country's going to be 16.5 trillion dollars in debt before we get Obama out of office, if we get him out of office and even if we do I don't see a scenario in which it actually matters which is why I asked Santa for a food dehydrator and vacuum sealer for Christmas.
Frank:
Keep in mind that you can't get any real reforms until you have a Republican President who will sign the bills.
You won't have real reforms until you get a Repubican Senate (and hopefully with another slate of conservatives who won't have ties to McConnell kick him out leadership)
Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN
That's pretty much the reason why I think Newt is the one we should put in the WH. The establishment RINO's hate him. What better recommendation could we get? And he did manage to get a balanced budget passed and a reduction in taxes. It will take a few more elections and voter ID to get out all the commies and the RINOS.
Read the quote.
I did not write it.
I did not post it.
It is a very simple, very direct statement.
Obviously Objectivists cannot live up to it. Indeed according to you Rand could not live up to it. That says quite a bit about the inherent absurdity of the statement.
why would you assume I am for Paul? Why can't we vote for Santorum? Your ABO policy will give us another 4 years of languishing under bad policy, no reform, same old same old and then you'll be whining about the malaise in America. You have a chance to vote conservative right now. Why won't you put your vote where your mouth is?
Me to!
If Santorum wins I will support him.
It's not up to me to put make him the candidate. I don't like him. But if the majority of voters do, I will defer to their judgement. The only "unacceptable' candidate is obama.
Gee, who runs Goldman-Sachs? LOL! Let me guess and try to sound like a brain-dead neocon "duh MUSLIMS."!
So the go along to get along is gonna effect the change we desire? Santorum is not as conservative as … say… Mitt? … Newt?… Paul?…. Not following your go with the flow philosophy. Of course we agree that Obama has to go, but why do we have to accept more of the same old BS from the GOP? I thought we were the majority????
I don't like his personal presence, or his persona per se, but in comparison to the other 3? Are you kidding me? We don't have a conservative candidate? WTF? It's up to us as conservatives to get our candidate on the ticket, not the GOP. If we fail to do so, we have failed America. I do not belevie there will ever be another chance like the one we got. If the GOP takes the white house, or if Obama retains it, America is over as we know it.
The Tea Party is alive & well. No need to be uncivil.
PS I don not like any of the candidates once again I will hold my nose to vote.
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Dest,
What we have here is a generational or ideological disconnect.
I'm 66. I have decades of elections under my belt and from that experience I have learned that change does not happen in one election. I work at the local, precinct, state, and national level with various groups to slowly…..painfully slowly……educate voters about how to educate themselves.
Advocacy only gets you so far. Until voters understand the political system and learn what questions to ask potential candidates we're always going to have 'prom king" style elections.
I personally hate the GOP and DNC equally. They are two sides of the same coin….POWER. But I also know that we're not going to fix all the things wrong even in my lifetime. So teaching each other and our children how to participate is, IMO, a far more important task than just stumping for a candidate, election after election.
Every elective office matters from dog catcher to president. Every time voters go to the polls it matters. And teaching them this one reality, then encouraging them to do more than just vote, to join their local groups, be they League of Women Voters, or TP or whatever, will make the difficult work of learning easier.
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Ron Paul supporters started the Tea Party movement.
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvGS12EoZUE
BTW, you won't see support like this for any of the controlled, media-selected candidates like Romney or Newt.
Palin? You must be joking. Stop being a gullible consumer of media.
You will keep getting bad candidates that way.
The TEA Movement DID NOT GO AWAY…
We do not stand on the street corners and profess our faith in America…
We talk to our neighbors and friends over the back fence…and we are winning the hearts and minds…
We wait for the time we will do the most good…the ballot…
We did excellent work in 2010 when the odds were against us…all the way to the state level…the House stood against Øbama, and stopped the hemorrhaging…the SENATE is what betrayed America, as well as the Usurper in Chief…
Watch the Socialist DIMocRATS run away into retirement…they've all seen the internals, and they know the time to abandon the ship is now…though the specter of investigation and prison is still there…
This is OUR YEAR…the RINO's are on notice now…comply, or be destroyed…
We WILL have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency…
Our job then will be to keep the wayward in line…or dismiss them, as well…
I don't want a ruler, I want a servant.
Just like Paul wants the Fed restrained…he may have started it, but it isn't his anymore…
Saint Paul is buoyed by children of the "Peace, Love, and Toke" sector…I wouldn't call that a ringing endorsement…after all, they really want Øbama…
They made it for him the first time, but since he isn't out of Afghanistan, they'll back the next twirp that says he'll "end the war"…and if Paul doesn't get the win, they'll all stay home high as a kite…
Johnson will split Paul's constituency, with druggie adults going to him, and dumb druggie kids going to Paul…its already happening in Iowa…
*snicker*
"Avalanche" is not strong enough…"epic cataclysm of L33T PH33R and WIN to be whispered about through the Ages" is closer…
Why else are all the DIMocRAT Socialists retiring from Congress…?
Why do RATS desert their sinking ship…?
They've seen the poll internals…and know that even though they want their chairmanships and ranking member status, they won't make a dime as a lobbyist if they get hounded, pounded, and obliterated in their final race…
One thing about crony capitalists…they won't pay for losers…
Our efforts should not be limited to finding the "perfect" conservative presidential candidate. Focus instead on Congressional races, as well as local municipal races. We must push back the Progressives at every level.
No other candidate is or was closer to Reagan….what would you call that?
Indeed, the GOP will be buoyed by the LIBERTARIAN vote which has abandoned the GOP. Do you want Paul to win or Romney/Gingrich to lose in the general election? Those are your choices. We aren't supporting more war-loons.
No, they don't want Obama – they just weren't going to vote for a crazy-eyed war monger like McCain.
Johnson? Who? LBJ is running? Is this Johnson fellow anti-war?
Too many conservatives complain about the degree of success the TEA Party has had. I, for one, am pleased with what's been accomplished, and I am hopeful of our future.
Happy New Year to all.
My, you're a DENSE one, aren't you…?
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