Supreme Court On ‘Moderate’ Terrorists: Fuggedaboutit
by Frank GaffneyBad news today for President Obama, his Counterterrorism and Homeland Security Advisor, John Brennan, and other proponents of the idea that the United States can safely reach out to “moderate” elements within terrorist organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Taliban. In a 6-3 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court found that no distinction can be made between violent and non-violent wings of such groups and that the former will be beneficiaries of whatever “material support” is given them.
As Stephen Landman of the indispensable Investigative Project on Terrorism’s IPT News reported in a post Monday:
“The court roundly rejected the claims that there’s a distinction between aid to a terrorist group’s “social” wing, as opposed to its military wing….:
Material support meant to “promote peaceable, lawful conduct” can further terrorism by foreign groups in multiple ways. Material support is a valuable resource by definition. Such support frees up other resources within the organization that may be put to violent ends. It also importantly helps lend legitimacy to foreign terrorist groups – legitimacy that makes it easier for those groups to persist, to recruit members, and to raise funds – all of which facilitate more terrorist attacks.
As a result of this ruling upholding the material support statute, it remains illegal to provide to designated terrorist groups “any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instrument or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (one or more individuals who may be or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.”
The Court found: “Whether foreign terrorist organizations meaningfully segregate support of their legitimate activities from support of terrorism is an empirical question. When it enacted section 2339B in 1996, Congress made specific findings regarding the serious threat posed by international terrorism. One of those findings explicitly rejects plaintiffs’ contention that their support would not further the terrorist activities of the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK) and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE): ‘Foreign organizations that engage in terrorist activity are so tainted by their criminal conduct that any contribution to such an organization facilitates that conduct.’”
The ruling in Holder v. The Humanitarian Law Project also determined that: “Material support meant to ‘promote peaceable, lawful conduct’ can further terrorism by foreign groups in multiple ways. Material support is a valuable resource by definition. Such support frees up other resources within the organization that may be put to violent ends. It also importantly helps lend legitimacy to foreign terrorist groups – legitimacy that makes it easier for those groups to persist, to recruit members, and to raise funds – all of which facilitate more terrorist attacks.”
The logic of the Supreme Court’s decision on material support suggests that it would be illegal to provide $400 million via the so-called “moderates” of the Palestinian Authority to the designated terrorist organization (DTO) Hamas, which runs the Gaza Strip – something President Obama has announced he intends to do. It should also preclude the sort of “outreach” to the so-called “moderates” of another DTO, Hezbollah, as presidential advisor Brennan has twice indicated he thinks is in order. Ditto negotiations with “moderate” members of the Taliban, at least to the extent such a process entails what amounts to material support to that terrorist organization in the form of financial or other substantial inducements to their cooperation.
What is more, the Supremes’ ruling in this case essentially upholds a landmark en banc opinion issued last year by the 7th Circuit in Boim v. Holy Land Foundation. The latter decision written for the majority by highly esteemed Judge Richard Posner found that a contribution made to an organization embracing a doctrine like Shariah that calls on its adherents to engage in jihad amounts to material support. This outcome was particularly gratifying for the Center for Security Policy as it filed an amicus brief in the case making precisely that argument.
Particularly noteworthy is the fact that the Supreme Court actually endorsed a broad interpretation of the material support statute. Solicitor General Elena Kagan espoused the view that the law regulates conduct only, not speech per se. The Court found that the statute does indeed regulate speech and that Congress can criminalize speech on behalf of a known terrorist organization – even if such speech is for legal ends, as long as that speech also provides material support to said organization.
Accordingly, it appears that, for example, if an imam were to issue a Shariah fatwa “to, under the direction of, or in coordination with foreign groups that the speaker knows to be terrorist organizations,” he would be guilty of violation of the material support statute. This could constitute a powerful new tool for countering the stealth jihad inside the United States.
By the same token, the Supreme Court ruling would apply to overseas activities as well, such as the so-called “humanitarian flotilla” that sought to break Israel’s naval blockade of Hamastan in Gaza. Any U.S. organization that coordinated their support for this affair with Hamas in any way would be guilty of providing material support in violation of the statute.
In short, the top court in a federal judiciary that has in recent years handed a succession of victories to America’s terrorist foes – dare we call it “material support? – has rendered a decision in Holder v. the Humanitarian Law Project of signal importance. It now behooves the Obama administration to conform its own policies and behavior to the letter and spirit of this sensible ruling, even as it enforces the law vigorously.







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And the hits just keep on a comin' for the Dali Bama!
"The U.S. Supreme Court"? OUR U.S. Supreme Court? They unanimously made an intelligent, legally-based decision?
As they say on Mexican Soccer: "GOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLL."
Moderate terrorists ? Was Hitler a 'Moderate Nazi" ? After all, he never personally killed anyone.
Good decision for a change. Doubtlessly, all available WH aides are over at the Archives right now boning up on where Ollie and company went wrong on Iran-Contra, so that they don't make the same mistakes when they circumvent this decision.
Now we see the importance of who sits on the Supreme Court. This ruling re-sets the clock on relations with many in the Middle east. Jimmy Carter has to shut his trap in his support of Hezbolas' supposed humanitarian causes. Maybe we have forever heard the last from this failed President, with him being replaced by Obama as the worst President, "Jimma" would be wise to sit down shut up and be thankful for this small blessing.
Let's not go getting all excited over this, they just HAD to be drunk! I just know it! We will find out when they wake up with the hang overs.
Although we shouldn't even have to have a conversation about whether it's ok to give money and aid to terrorist organizations that would like nothing more than to kill us all, this is a huge victory, and I'm sure has the Obama admin plenty torked off.
Now to start linking all the organizations inside the U.S. that in any way support those other organizations and get them all the hell out of here.
Still waiting for the SCOTUS to use that logic with Planned Parenthood and ACORN….
Um, the ruling was 6-3 not unanimous.
Looks like they changed it to 6-3. I saw it too, it did say unanimously.
The real question is if the Obama dictat…errr…. administration will heed the decision. As we have seen with Supreme Court's ruling that the government cant regulate the internet, the Dear Leader is moving along with his plans to censor the internet through the FCC anyway. The progressive/socialist are ignoring the constitutions, the laws of economics, the American people, and common sense, why would they abide by a court ruling????
we may have won this one, but i saw a story on the wires, the un wants to take the taliban off it's restricted list for sanctions. we need to get rid of the un, in a hurry! and where is that overturning of chicago's gun ban??
They are working on finding a way to circumvent this ruling such as giving aid to someone else who will in turn give it to the terrorists.
The evil empire of Darth Odious, A.K.A. Obozo, is crumbling around him. I just can't wait until Vader tosses him over the railing.
To use a word from those two idiots in the Dodge Hemi commercials, " SWEEET" !!
Laws are for the other people. Barry and his minions will simply ignore the ruling, we must remember, “the ends justify the means.” If Americans need to be killed for the greater good so be it!
Guess Barry will have to find another avenue to provide social justice to his Muslim brethren…What a pitty!
We may as well strike the word "Treason" from every federal document ever created. The term seems to a bit antiquated, or is it just me…???
Will they go after Code Pink for supporting Hamas? Will they go after the ACLU for outing CIA interrogators to terrorists now? Somehow I don't think so.
So,now my question would be,if Obama and his crew are found out to be funding mild terrorist,or peaceful terrorist,or terrorist who now claim to be peace activist, who can we turn to? What authority is there left in this government who would hold Obama and his crew accountable? Obama already went against a judge who ruled that the government can't tinker with the internet,where is those who will hold this communist government accountable to our laws?I meant progressive government,not communist,or is it progressive communist? I'm so confused,just the way Obama and his crew like us to be,CONFUSED,up is down and down is up.
Keep pounding on Obama every day, 24/7. I think he'll have a nervous breakdown. Our First (and last) ANTI AMERICAN president (?) . (lower case intentional)
Let's see… 4 conservatives, plus Kennedy equals 5… so which liberal justice wandered off the reservation?
This decision means nothing to BHO,Holder Pelosi and Reid. They will continue down their pathway by circumventing the congress and the courts. They will simply use a decree or regulations to out flank the SCOTUS. Checks and balance for this administration are body checks against anyone that doesn't agree with them and who cares about balancfe.
You see,good is evil and evil good now days,the only problem is that when you plant bad seeds you get a bad crop,that law will never change no matter who is in charge,YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW,that goes for everyone.I know I'm ranting now,thanks for your patience.
Good Point!
Oh boy, those Supremes are really gonna get it at the next state of the union address.
Three cheers for SCOTUS.
Thanks, Mr. Gaffney. You're the man and I love listening to your podcast. The terrorists are in the People's House. Keep busting their chops. Salute to you.
For dessert, let's see Holder have his butt handed to him over the Arizona law.
"Guess Barry will have to find another avenue to provide social justice to his Muslim brethren"
That's simple for obama. He'll just remove the "designated terrorist organization" classification from these groups. Problem solved.
“The court roundly rejected the claims that there’s a distinction between aid to a terrorist group’s “social” wing, as opposed to its military wing….:
??? My Mossberg doesn't have a "social" wing but it could make a contribution to the terrorists.
With this ruling seiu, acorn, cair, splu, aclu, la raza, la mecha, lulac, etc could be considered terrorist organizations. Isn't that a great thought.
Just because it's Constitutional doesn't mean much. Anyone want to bet that the obama administration doesn't enforce the law?
I like this Supreme Court, lets pray the older conservative members can hang on until we get a president that isn't the enemy of America.
You think he'll resort to thumb-sucking or wrapping his 9 iron around his throat?
The logic of the Supreme Court’s decision on material support suggests that it would be illegal to provide $400 million via the so-called “moderates” of the Palestinian Authority to the designated terrorist organization (DTO) Hamas, which runs the Gaza Strip – something President Obama has announced he intends to do.
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If Obama goes forward with his plan, especially after this decision, to give money to the people we are at war with, it should be considered treason and grounds for impeachment.
No kidding. Here comes the court packing scheme. O will claim we need to expand court to 18 members as part of a "jobs bill." 9 jobs created!
More realistically, it should certainly be grounds for a lawsuit, an act far more clearly in violation of the law than Reagan's supposed violation of the dubiously-constituional Boland Amendment.
Disagree. We have a fairly good Supreme Court right now and sometimes it deserves a little praise. We have four solid conservative and one swing vote which is Kennedy. Believe me, it could be a whole lot worse. And over the last year they have delivered very good decisions.
Maybe after their treatment by Obama at the last State of the Union Address some of the more liberal members have awakened a bit. In any case, they deserve credit, this was an outstanding decision and it was 6 to 3. That is reason for us to take a small break from all of the gloom and doom. We can get back to that tomorrow.
Start prosecuting the flotilla supporters.
Hey, can we finally put Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn behind bars? That's sweet!
Maybe "they" won't. But we can. Let's report this activity to the FBI and publicly demand a resolution.
Perhaps this could take the form of a petition.
Either the FBI arrests Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn for organizing the Gaza Flotilla with Hamas, or they choose not to.
LOL. That wouldn't surprise me one bit.
I was saying what it "should be," yes I know it isn't realistic to expect that. But advocating giving money to America's enemies ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE grounds for impeachment for high treason.
I don't know yet, but I bet it was John Paul Stevens, I think he's trying to make up for all those decades of liberalism in his last few decisions.
I hope NObama still tries to give that $400million to Pallestine. I would love to see him found guilty in a court of law for supporting terrorism!
Maybe Obama shouldn't have ridiculed the Supreme Court at the last State of the Union address. Now of course, that probably has nothing to do with it — but they were not allowed to flip Obama "the bird" at the address, were they?
I'm not in favor of cameras in the Supreme Court, but I must admit, it would be fun to watch Holder get his head handed to him. And I'm pretty darned sure that's exactly what's going to happen.
After the people throw this terrorist plant out of the White House and take back control of the Congress, I hope respected men like Frank Gaffney, and a host of others, along with Attorney General Chris Christie (?) will rip into CAIR. CAIR is nothing but a terrorist front group (of course, they'll make false civil rights claims against any critic and label them as "muslim-haters" and claim they are being "persecuted blah blah" and do they ever love to play the "race-bait" game). Truth is, there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. Obama is a muslim, is he moderate? haha. No, he uses taqiyya like a good pious muslim, and so does CAIR. Both are connected at the hip (among a few others in the this Administration – Obama's handpicked infiltrators). It runs deep and they need to be exposed and beat like a bongo drum. They know what they're doing and don't think for one minute they are here to bring "foster peaceful understanding and coexistence" and "with a purpose to spread our Islam religion…"!!!
Again, this is not a freaking religion….it's a political-religious ideology and hell bent on ruling the world via Shariha Law. Trust me, you don't want this kind of law. I'll tell you how crazy this law is and this is literally the least worst example; muslim women in afgan can't even go to the zoo. They are barred. I guess the muslim tikes feel like the women will stir up the interest of the farm animals. But what do I know. See how crazy they are. Muslims are barbaric towards women and threat them like dogs.
At any rate, a lot of people here alreadly know this stuff. For the new folks, you can learn more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-...
Note: The muslims keep trying to dispute the info at wiki. While I know wiki is not the premier source, it is
concise here and in depth re the history of CAIR. More importantly, there are many links at bottom of page that are authentic research source material. Reliable.
And this is for everyone here, just released today – check the story and the vid: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/hamas-linked-ca...
Note: Obama is against our military and law enforcement. Believe that.
To all them little alphabet groups – as Joe Biden would say "3 letters: R I C O"
You're right in that….this is a good decision, however I can't say I have the trust in the supreme court, that you do. I too think they deserve praise, but I also think when you lose trust in someone or a system, it will take a lot to gain that trust back. Let's see what the supreme court does when my state of Va. along with others sues over death care. Than maybe, just maybe I'll trust them again. Until than I'm on pins and needles, and feel like a prisoner in my own Country, and that to me is unconstitutional.
It wasn't unanimous, it was 6-3.
wanna guess who voted against it?
jimmah shut up? I hope you're not holding your breath. I'd hate for you to get a headache.
ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which STEVENS,
SCALIA, KENNEDY, THOMAS, and ALITO, JJ., joined. BREYER, J., filed a
dissenting opinion, in which GINSBURG and SOTOMAYOR, JJ., joined.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-149...
Surprise, surprise at who were the three dissenting judges. Breyer, a Clinton nominee. Ginsberg, who wants 12 year olds to be consenting adults to experience sex. And Obama's wise Latina.
The Repubicans better not roll over for Obama and Kagan.
so does this mean no more funding for ACORN?
What about our funding of terrorism with petro-dollars? How many mosque have we payed for, how many classes teaching Sharia law have we funded?
Natural gas is the solution.
We could be energy independent on Oil alone for 75 years according to our own government studies if we were allowed to drill in our own land.
Natural gas and Nuclear, and whatever gets developed over the next 75 years are all answers, but using our own resources instead of being laughed at by the rest of the world for being one of the only countries that does not use our own would be a smart first step.
Then we would have no problem not funding our enemies.
EXCELLENT PUNCTUATION USE! It makes all the difference doesn't it? I've found it hard to capitalize the "P" in president also in referring to him. He just sucks so bad, finally a small victory for the People!! Yipppeeeeeeeeee!
Poor Jimmah! This has got to be just devastating for him!
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The worst former President in U.S. history is already whining about how this ruling will interfere with his ability to give aid and comfort to terrorists.
Count on him to find a way to subvert the decision.
One can only hope.
Well, hope that the next administration will.
ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which STEVENS, SCALIA, KENNEDY, THOMAS, and ALITO, JJ., joined. BREYER, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which GINSBURG and SOTOMAYOR, JJ., joined.
Just think, in 2013, he'll no longer be the worst former president.
He's one I'd like to see charged with treason and have his passport revoked.
This just proves the Obama administration has no clue. There is no reason to reach out to Hamas, Hezbollah and the Taliban. No Reason… They are the enemy.
Those three judges should be ashamed of themselves.
I have extreme difficulty is not indulging my Bronx talent for vulgarity when discussing Carter.
Charging him with treason is the least of what he deserves.
Yes, but think of what the punishment is for the type of treason he's commited. I believe execution is still on the books for it. He's despicable – but not as despicable or as treasonus as the future worst former president.
Joe Sestak and company, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors", and now the Supreme Court rules the Executive Branch can't give money to dare I say it; peaceful groups that are affiliated with people that want to do harm to our allies.
"The Supreme Court RULES!"
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