Scott Brown Win Is a Victory For Bush Foreign Policy, Defeat For Ron Paul Isolationism
by Eric DonderoLost in the pre and post-election analysis out of Massachusetts has been the major policy differences between Martha Coakley and Scott Brown over foreign policy and defense. The issue garnered some attention briefly during their final debate, when Coakley erred saying terrorists “were gone from Afghanistan.” But then the attentions of the media quickly turned back to the health care debate.
In campaigning with Brown in the final days, Rudy Giuliani mapped out the battle lines: “This election will send a signal, and a very dramatic one, that we are going in the wrong direction on terrorism, and we need to change it, and change it now.” Giuliani added: Scott’s background in the military speaks volumes about his understanding of what we face. And frankly his opponent’s ignorance about the issues facing us is astounding.”
From the start candidate Brown was unequivocal on defense matters. A 30-year Veteran of the National Guard, still serving as a lt. colonel, Brown unashamedly backed the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s notable that not once did he seek to separate himself from the Bush foreign policy agenda.
He repeatedly criticized his opponent, an attorney general, for her support of Obama’s policy of trying Khalid Sheikh Muhammed in a civilian trial in New York City.
Scott Brown refusted to back away from allowing the CIA and the Military to use strong interrogation techniques, including water-boarding, after being accused of supporting “torture” by Coakley and her supporters.
In contrast, candidate Coakley took a Ron Paul almost isolationist view on foreign policy.
Coakley called for a complete and immediate pull-out of Afghanistan:
“I think we have done what we are going to be able to do in Afghanistan. I think that we should plan an exit strategy. Yes. I’m not sure there is a way to succeed.”
Coakley on her campaign website, like Paul, took a straight Anti-War in Iraq stance:
“Had Martha been in the Senate at the time, she would have voted against the Iraq invasion. It is now crucial that American troops leave the country.
Martha supports President Obama’s plan to fully withdraw from Iraq…”
I served as Congressman Ron Paul’s Senior Aide from 1997 to 2003. I can remember his early noises made to his policy advisor circle immediately after the 9/11 attacks, not to vote for the resolution to go into Afghanistan. He finally relented after much pressure from the district, and even his staff. It was his decision in 2003 not to back the President Bush and the War in Iraq that finally led to my resignation.
Looking back, with the Iraqi people fully liberated, and a stable pro-American democracy developing, we can see that George W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani were right. Ron Paul got it wrong.
Perhaps Massachusetts voters sensed that Coakley’s Ron Paul-esque approach to fighting Islamic terrorism was rather weak like Paul’s. Perhaps the seriousness of the terrorism issue, came back to the fore in the minds of these voters, after the shocking Ft. Hood shooting, followed by the Christmas Day bomber.
Yes, health care was front and center. But it is notable that voters of one of the most dove-ish of states, chose to side forthrightly with the candidate of the Bush foreign policy agenda, over Obama/Paul.
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We do not need anymore defeatist Democrats in Washington! If, as a country, we don't show, and PROVE our strength, we can never over take our enemies…and they are just waiting in the shadows, for the right time to take us down! America used to be known as the most powerful nation on the planet..that's the only way to keep our enemies from bringing their war to our soil…now, look at us! We NEED that strength and power back!!
What we don't need, are more politicians, turning the other cheek while we are being attacked! Enough already!!
Ron Paul reminds me of British loon George Galloway without tights-both obsess over 'neo-cons' while gleefully encouraging the free world to do dirty dealings with dictators.
I thank God that come 2012 Ron Paul will be too old to run.
Thank you for this true article! That's my problem with Ron Paul!
We Need the "Tea Party" to endorse or not endorse all candidates because too many people will sneak into office for the "progressive" movement, otherwise!!!!!!!
Who do I side with? defeatist democrats? or defeatist republicans?
Really? I'm typing on the fly here – too old? I hope so. He's bred another policitian I believe, his son.
Brown is a soldier. I would believe he doesn't care much for stupidity when his and others lives are on the line!!
Who cares what he actually believes?
He is a Republican – he must be 'good'.
It is amazing how Obama gets elected for being anti war and you think that the people in Mass. voted for Brown because he is pro war. You are so afraid of everything and everybody that you will give up our freedom for safety. Do you really think that you can bomb the muslim people into submission. Did you learn anything from Vietnam or the Russian invasion of Afgahnistan?
Mr. Dondero,
Thank you for the article. There were some things in it, that I was not aware of. I always admired Ron Paul on his stance against the FED, but was always put off by his dove-ish foreign policy stance.
You are right. His son, Rand Paul, a dentist is running in Kentucky for Senator Jim Bunnings seat. That race will be interesting. His Democrat opponent is Dan Mongardo.
Hate to tell you Bill, but there IS going to be a war with Islam! You're right though, it's it's a war that can not be won!
But, then that is not the agenda. Remember: Follow the money!
Republicans are making a mistake in diminishing and marginalizing Ron Paul. Conservatives and dare I say tea partiers agree with him on probably 90% of the issues, with the foreign wars the big disagreement. Why can't we have the debate about going to war within the conservative movement without bashing each other? We need the Ron Paul disciples with us to elect true conservatives and push out the progressive Dems and Republicans in Washington. It doesn't do much good to fight foreign wars when our politicians right here at home are confiscating our wealth and liberty at an alarming rate. Paul stands in the way of that. If we don't have freedom here, what are our soldiers fighting for? Who is doing more damage to America? Ron Paul for opposing foreign wars or John McCain types who supported things like amnesty and suppression of free speech (McCain-Feingold)?
PS: And it isn't even about the WAR!
how many places do we have troops?? Why are we in NATO? Thank you for making light of the minor detail of US being broke. Yes, the McCain types!!!
"Must"? No. But if the (R) or (D) is all that you know about a candidate, a vote for the (R) will get you better than a 50% return, IMHO.
That said, good on the Democrat voters in Massachusetts for putting partisanship aside, and making the better choice. It's not a decision to be made lightly. I speak from experience. I voted for Marc Dann (D) here in Ohio, and he turned out to be a lecher and a thief. My bad.
Rand is an opthamologist, not a dentist.
I'm with you Brian. We need to listen more carefully to what Dr. Paul is saying. We are overextended militarily, especially considering our precarious economic situation.
Two takes on this subject:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?vie...
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?vie...
Brian, Brian try to focus for a moment. Even if Ron Paul occasionally swerves into the right opinion about something, he.still.crazy.
Flat Taxer, is this the East Germany national sign on your gravatar? I have it imprinted in my mind since the time I lived in Eastern Europe.
Pulling out of Afghanistan and Iraq is not defeatist. The U. S. was led into war in Iraq under lies by the Bush administration that there were WMD there. How quickly we forget. We should not be in Iraq in the first place! As far as Afghanistan goes, weren't we there under the guise of capturing bin Laden? Well guess what – bin Laden isn't in Afghanistan so what are we doing there? Is it our responsibility to go around setting up little puppet governments in Muslim countries to try to force the people in them to accept Western culture? Maybe they don't want to be Westernized. Additionally calling Ron Paul an 'isolationist' is ignorant. Isolationism is not the same as non-interventionalism. Until we can see through the smoke screen of the global military industrialists, we will continue to spend our way into oblivion in pointless, never-ending, overseas wars. One must have a deep understanding of the history of how we came to be in this mess if it is ever to be resolved.
Don't forget the brilliant policies of both W and his father in Eastern Europe. Obama threw Poland under the bus as the first thing in office.
Ron Paul is right. Sorry. I wish he wasn't. The United States is broke and will collapse from perpetually fighting undeclared wars, and one way or another, we will pay for our 50 year history of telling everybody what to do. Either we will pay after we are economically forced to withdraw, at which time they kick our asses from a terrorist perspective, or we will pay by going bankrupt and collapse internally from chronically funding armies all over the globe (the way the Romans and British did). Either way, we will lose. At this point it's inevitable. Sorry. In 1905 the Chinese were coming over here to scrub our floors. In 2020 we will be scrubbing their's. I'm surprised the smart people on this board don't know this.
As for Ron Paul people voting for Brown, they had no choice. The good outweighed the bad.
I see the proficiency badge and parachute wings on the left chest. Someone tell me the identity of the large badge on the right chest. And are those JAG pins on the lapels?
I used to be a Ron Paul supporter. As his courting of white supremacists became more evident, and his isolationist rhetoric started to echo the leftist trope of blaming the US for Islamic terror, I could not continue.
I followed "No no no no's" link, and I gotta tell you, he sound crazy to me, too.
I now understand why you guys call this biggovernment.com – you guys like big government. Ron Paul is right, totalitarian Eric Dondero is wrong.
if you want a war then do it constitutionaly not willy nilly you peolple crow about how everything is unconstitutional obama is doing but this is ok….funny how that works out
In this case, the Big Tent needs to stay BIG.
The MSM likes to accuse the Republican Party of giving up on the Big Tent. They are always wrong when they do this, because they only bring it up when the Republican Party politicians stand fast, and don't allow the 'tent' to get stretched past distortion into the left, where the MSM would like to see it. Of course, the MSM also always ignores the many times that Republican politicians HAVE supported bi-partisan legislation, and have run candidates that don't support ALL of the planks of the Party's platform, just most of them (or practically none, if it's in northern NY.)
Isolationism isn't contrary to Conservatism. Having the most advanced and well-prepared military possible, doesn't mean it's always the right choice to use it to resolve every conflict (of course not,) but not even most conflicts. "Staying out of it" is usually good policy. (Until you're in it – then you have to win it.) But, in any case, Republicans need to listen to Ron Paul and Libertarians more often – not less. The GOP needs to stay grand, in this sense, and it needs both Conservatism AND Libertarianism – and it is the Republicans' burden to has out the areas where they don't line up.
My hope is that Senator Brown Elect-MA can bring some immediate rationality to revising the rules of engagement, for safety of our troops and country, and that he continues to be an irritation under the skin of the anti-american White House and their Leftists financial supporters.
wesely clark was a soldier i guess with that argument you would like him as well
To call Eric Dondero a totalitarian is qualitatively no different from labeling as racist anyone who voted against Obama.
Seconded!
victor …..you ever notice republican hate the tea party when they call their hand, That must explain why they are trying so hard to hi jack it. to shut it up.
Yup, those are JAG pins. You get those storming the beaches in Hawaii.
I am still happy that Brown won, but another lawyer in government is bothersome to me. Look at what lawyers have done to sabotage the Constitution and the country.
The jury is out.
wow courting white supremacists….and nothing to back that up just throw out a bomd reminds me of a party in power
People were voting for gridlock. 2010 primaries are needed to change direction on interventionism.
on these pages you lie about republican success, but I sit here in the middle of your pages and expose the lies.
put country before party and register unaffilated before there is no country left..
Here is an article from that beacon of leftist propaganda, WorldNetDaily:
/sarc
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59...
the SC ruling is interesting.. I think is an attempt to protect the power of political parties as more people become more independent..
Yes it is. I have been into East Germany for a little while because what I hear from the left sounds like the DDR. I watched "Traces of Stones" a couple of weeks ago. That movie was banned by the DDR three days after it opened in 1966, and it was still horrifying to me.
I watched the “The Baader-Meinhof Complex” last night. East Germany aided and abetted that terrorist org. Here in America, Che and Mao are being idolized yet again by some of our youth.
I've watched many more East German/West German movies. It just fascinates me because the history is so recent.
I am getting ready to read "The File: A Personal History" about an American who went to the DDR to study Nazism. He later found out the Stasi had him under close surveillance with the aid of his East German "friends". He wrote about what was in his Stasi file.
Oh I would love to hear about your time in Eastern Europe, but I realize this is not the place. Dang.
Is this some kind of puppet debate? Do you have a Scott Brown doll and a Ron Paul doll? Are you playing with them as you type? Telling them what they really mean? Maybe you should get an Osama doll too. Bush and Obama are doing exactly what Bin Laden hoped for: Getting involved in a long expensive conflict to bankrupt our nation and help him recruit for HIS cause. Actually Osama probably has puppets of U.S. leaders and media figures. I am not afraid of terrorist at all. Are you? Why? What about lightning? Get off the ego trip people. If you want to fight get up and go fight. Sign up and fly right over there. Remember that as soon as you are there it will be politically correct to call you a "hero" but you'll know your just a sucker soon enough.
If the Massachusetts special election, 2010 will indeed be a vote against interventionism. It will be a vote primarily against domestic interventionism.
NCATTY: The badge is the German Armed Forces Badge for Military Proficiency. One must be physically and morally fit, pass a sports test, marksmanship, and road march to qualify. Yes, he is wearing JAG Corp insignia.
It is because Congress is made up of Cowards. Since WWII we have not fought a war that was declared by Congress but they did vote to go to war. Congress knew if they declared war and it became unpopular they could be blamed. If they mereley voted for hostilities or funding for the war they could always change thier position, as they did with Iraq, and blame the President and have Political Cover for them selves. It is Congress not the Executive that is to blame. If Congress really wanted to stop any of these wars they could have defunded it. Congress however wants it both ways and it is Congress that is to blame.
I don't know what Ron Paul thinks, but I do know what many of the Founding Fathers thought: interventionism and getting wrapped around the axle of foreign conflicts was a destabilizing factor for a democratic republic and would bankrupt it.
From Washington's Farewell Address:
"The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connexion as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop."
So was Washington some kook in favor of a weak America?
Yes. You are right.
I stand corrected.
Bingo!
My friend, you are far too intelligent, and have far too much to offer, to get bogged down with the Supreme Court ruling. The biggest looserlast week was John McCain, and deservedly so. He has done more in the past twenty years, to undermine our way of life, than any other politician.
Check out one of Ron Paul’s primary challengers. He’s been hitting Paul hard on this issue as well as Paul’s unwillingness to stand up and debate it ever since Paul challenged Ben Stein to a debate on foreign policy.
Tim Graney – http://www.graneyforcongress.com
Brian, I couldn't agree with you more.
The 'white supremacist' thing is tired and desperate. Americans are growing weary of constant war on behalf of Israel. Zionists have too much control in this country and they do not act in its best interest.
Ooops. clipped the wrong quote. That one deals with commerce, this is the one that deals with foreign entanglements:
"Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities."
Ah, the chicken hawk argument. I was wondering when that would come up.
Where did my comment go?
Will someone explain this video for those of us who are left to believe another RINO has snuck into office…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L7n8vyz0xk
Your playing their game… STOP and play your game through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
This a written statement from one of Ron Paul's constituents:
" Just got off the phone with Ron Paul… It is with a heavy heart that I must report this… The (10 minute) conversation was not a good one. I brought up the Constitution, and the 'natural born' issue, and then asked him point blank if he would be willing to submit (or at least support) an objection to the electoral vote certification on Jan 8th. He said (I'm paraphrasing), "if I did that I'd be laughed out of congress. No one is going to do that. "
So much for his rhetoric about patriotism and fighting for this country. He blows with the wind like the rest of those snivelly, wasted reps we sent to DC.
"'white supremacist' thing is tired and desperate…Zionists have to much control…"
LOL!
The FED needs an overhaul but the demonizing of the FED is stupid. Monetary systems are no longer simple commodity based systems. Even when they were who was to say what the value of any commodity was? What is gold really worth except in industrial processes hwere it has a real use? You cannot eat gold. Gold is not a medicine. Gold has no real value except what we want to put on it. The same can be said of aother commodities to.
Modern Monetary systems depend on hard to value concepts such as the stability of the country, the total economic output, and the willingness of others to trust that currency. Even though these are hard to value it is also what has allowed the creation of new wealth and new money of real value.
that is what you call proof an unsolicited donation is recruiting
What exactly is your problem with Ron Paul???
The FED has to work within this system. No matter what you might have heard it does the FED no good to either undervalue or overvalue the dollar. Too much real wealth would be lost forever if they really screw it up. The incentives for the "Insiders" is to get it right for thier own pocket books.
I do agree we need to look very carefully at how they do business but it really shows a lack of understanding of how Currency, Trade, and Economic Stability to use Strawman Arguments and use the FED as the boogyman of choice.
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btw…did you see the info about IVAMU?
Ron Paul is not an “isolationist.” He is not a “dove.” He doesn’t call for disarmament and glad-handing dictators like Obama. Paul advocates a strong national defense policy. Remember Reagan? He does not support pre-emptive war and nation-building. Do not let the neocons such as this author lead you astray. They hate the tea party, but need its supporters to try to regain power.
What an idiotic statement. Congress authorized both the Afghan and Iraq wars: ergo constitutional.
Hitn, Sparky: "unconstitutional" does not equal "stuff I don''t like."
Therefore I ask you then: why did Sarah Palin support him for his re-election in AZ? I'm hoping it's because she has class and repaying him for thrusting her into her new life. There is a great buzz out there that people are very upset with her about this gesture. I say to them to hold off judgement. What say you Cowboy?
Yes.
I will always stand corrected whenever I make a misstatement, or incorrect point.
Unlike you'se people, who are always right, with your condescending attitudes,and chardonnay sippin', persimmon suckin' ways.
ArtbutusJoe…>EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
Cracks me up what they say about Ron Paul while all along spitting out the importance of the Constitution….but they want people to do as they say not as they do. STOP VOTING FOR BIG GOV REPUBLICANS you bunch of NEOCONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RON PAUL 2012!!!
Where did I use the word recruiting?
$500 is vapor when it comes to economic capital, when it comes to a national election. Ron Paul recognized its huge value as political capital, though. He knew he would alienate a sizable portion of his base if he returned the money. Instead, the campaign issued a half-hearted comment of putting the money to better use, which amounted to a "nod and a wink."
I don’t think the people of Massachusetts elected him because of foreign policy. All of the polling shows that the issues that mattered to them concerned jobs, and rejection of the health care bill. As far as Afghanistan is concerned, we cannot leave. The Taliban and other Islamic terrorists are too close to control of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. Like it or not, we and our allies are the only thing keeping them out of their hands.
"give up our freedom for safety"
Oh, piffle. What "freedoms" have you lost, pantywaist? NONE.
"Do you really think that you can bomb the muslim people into submission?"
No. But then that's not what Pwtraeus and McChrystal are doing, either.
"Did you learn anything from Vietnam?"
Yes- that the Defeatocrats are cowards, perfectly happy to surrender in wars the Armed Forces have won.
LMAO at his white supremacist became more evident.
FACTS please. lol
REALITY CHECK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxwNbwmOfQE
One of te reasons I could never vote for a Libertarian is because while I agree with perhaps 75% of thier philosophy they always tend to go off the deep end into LaLa land and ignore reality. We do not live in the world they think we do. It is now impossible to roll back Government Involvement in many areas of life because if we did the damage caused would be unprecidented. We need real solutions on how to scale back Government and not the fantasy world they live in. As much as I do not like Party Politics it is the system we have. There is no reasonable way to eliminate the Party System so the best thing to do is to try and moderate the corrupting influence.
The Fed is a privately owne organization. Amsel Rothschild is reported to have said, "Give me control of the economics of a country; and I care not who makes her laws. Today his descendents meet twice daily in London to dictate to the world what the world price of gold will be. They also dictate what the "Federal Reserve System" will do with America’s finances.
This country should've never allowed the Fed Reserve to even be organized and created. They are not who they portray to be.
I can't quite parse what you wrote. The grammar is poor. You seem to be implying I called Ron Paul a white supremacist.
Please provide the quote.
Non-responsive.
I happen to agree with Paul regarding the drug war, BTW.
I assure you, Obama is dedicated to bankrupting the country with or without the "expensive" Afgan war.
The Porkulus bill alone spent more money than the total cost of the Iraq and Afghan wars to date. We can easily afford the cost of killing Jihadis. What better use for our tax dollars? The worthless liberal crap that accounts for most of the Federal budget?
Of course, it would be less costly if we didn't create $200M circus trials for filth like KSM. A .45 round costs less than a buck.
Copper,
Here is some good material on McCain:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...
You might not like it. McCain is a born looser. That is his established track record. My opinion of the man, is less than the article's.
Sarah Palin supporting McCain? it is nothing more than the old patronage system, and politics at its best. If Palin had the "stuff" that folks thought she did, after the way the McCain camp treated her immediately after the elction, she would have told him to pound salt, and she would have swung her support behind JD. JD Haywood is McCains biggest threat right now, and a credable one.
Well he did vote for the MASS healthcare bill. Maybe his bi-partisanship is more to the left than to the right? Time will tell. Rev Manning ( a staunch hard right conservative) said in a u-tube video for everyone to vote for Coakley, as this is the only way the Dems will fall into the abyss with the healthcare passed.
By the way, fuckface- I did my time wearing Uncle Sam's wardrobe. By 9-11 I was too old to re-enlist, or I would have. So take your lame 'chickenhawk' smear and shove it.
I typed to soon as usual. I see your blog, I've bookmared it. Looks like a good one!
Ruh Pal makes me sick
Agreed, Brian. Ron Paul lays it all out pretty well here about war ( Ron Paul on the House Floor 01/22/2010 – USA is Bankrupt…) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWBhgAjPGhw
When Scott Brown was elected, we knew that a vote for true Ron Paul disciple in the race would not get enough votes and would hurt the cause of slowing down the Healthcare Reform train. It just had to be done in this case. This was the first time I realized that I found myself going out of the way to help a candidate that wasn't in the Ron Paul tradition, just to prevent something that would be worse. On and on it goes huh? I saw Pelosi and Reid smiling and admitting defeat, but of course, that was extremely suspect to say the least.
Look, Brown would be a RINO if he were from Texas. From Mass- we'll take what we can get.
Would you prefer Coakley, and 60 votes for Harry Reid?
The election in Massachusetts was about healthcare. That's it. If it was anything else at all, it was an indictment of the leadership shown by the Democrats over the last year on all things domestic. But foreign policy was the last thing on anyone's mind in those voting booths.
I read canadafreepress all the time and Judi and I have exchanged emails. I value her judgement. I also wrote McCain, his offices, his wife, his daughter maybe a hundred times during the primaries for him to either **** or get off the pot because his absolute useless campaign was jeopardizing this countries future. So, even though I respected his valor as a young man, the old man should've just stayed out of it, even now.
You're right, Sarah needs to grow some if she wants to play hardball.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree Michelle.
Extremely weak. There was no Ron Paul style candidate running. Foreign policy was not the main attraction – domestic was. You have failed.
Very true.
Why should he be fighting THAT battle when you can do it? Get a clue…he can only do so much…as you and I can.
Yeah, let's cowardly drop bombs on shepherds. That'll show 'em!
No Act of War means the wars are illegal.
"Looking back, with the Iraqi people fully liberated, and a stable pro-American democracy developing, we can see that George W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani were right. Ron Paul got it wrong."
LOL! You are a thug and you want us to put up puppet governments which all will blow up in our face.
Unfortunately…I am afraid you are right.
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I respect and value your opinion. What is your opinion regarding the rest of the article? Personally, I tend to concur with it.I'd bet that all those rabid, avid McCain supporters out there, in right wing kool aid land don't know that their man John took funding from George Soros. They would have a stroke.
While I salute his military service, I was never sold on the myth created surrounding the man. They simply picked up the JF Kennedy PT 109 thought process, and tried to wrap it around McCain.
I always believed, that being kept in a cage for 5 years does something to a man. Something he never fully recovered from. He is mean spirited, and untrustworthy.
What of Hitler then?
Rich…yet in the real world of business…we do NOT go kill our competition. We act more civil and come up with WIN/WIN negotiations for the most part. IF America approached Foreign policy more like business…the world would be a much better place. I know I can't stand some of the people I do business with..but I dont go around yelling at them at beating them up and certainly don't go prantcing into their offices for a take over.
I am more tactful while firm and strong. I DEFEND MY company without thuggish actions.
The American gov should know better. BUt there is way too much $$$$$ at stake…so we act like barbarians.
I have been there… and after a long day of fixin' trucks I sat at the smoke pit and relaxed. That is, until the car bombs started to explode. They were so powerful they knocked the fire extinguishers off the walls even though the explosions were miles away. And you know what went through my mind? Not, oh I'm such a sucker. No, it wasn't that at all. Instead I was thinking of all the people who were going about their daily lives when some insurgent decided to take his jehad out on the people of Iraq because they were not bowing to their way of worshiping Allah. I thought that maybe our presence could eventually give these people a democracy that would help to stabilize the Middle East.
One day while riding to the other side of base, someone pointed at a large stadium just outside the wire. They said that Saddam's Son filled the stadium with poison gas because they were the wrong type of Muslim's.
I'm no hero, I just fixed trucks… but, at least I did something for a cause bigger than myself.
Ron Paul is a well meaning Loony Tune. He might be very Intelligent but that is no substitute for wisdom. What would have happened, for example, after Iraq invaded Kuwait if the U.S. had no rallied the world and then threw Iraq out? Iraq was only 35 miles from controlling about 30% of the worlds Oil Supply. Now you can say why should we fight and die for oil? Oil is THE COMMODITY that fuels the entire worlds economy. It is THE COMMODITY that allows the world to mostly feed itself. Sometimes Intervention is the ONLY SANE course of action. Ron Paul is well meaning and I do not doubt that he is sincere but you have to think of the consequences of following his advice.
Americans really don't get it about Islam at all.
Total ignorance.
1. The U.S. Constitution, anyone ever heard of it, specially gives the power to declare war to the U.S. Congress. This action against Al Queda is just another Vietnam police action. As Rand Paul says. "The U.S. Congress should either declare war or the U.S. should bring its troops back home"
2. The war on terror is a terrible ignorant misunderstanding of what is really going on. What is going on is a world war between Islam implementation of Sharia law and Judeo/Christian democracies. Terror is just one tactic. The U.S. fights Al Queda overseas but yet is the home to the ten of thousands of potential Muslim terrorists. Geert Wilder among international politicians is one of the very few who understand that the problem is not terrorism which is only symptom, but Islam itself and Sharia law.
America should ban hijabs, burqua and, minorettes. That is the where the real battle is being fought, inside America not halfway around the world.
I agree, but also labeling Ron Paul an "isolationist," as Dondero does so aptly, is qualitatively no different from labeling as racist anyone who voted against Obama.
You nailed that one correctly.
There are sure some beautiful Mosques; in Dearborn, Michigan.
The Roman Empire Started to decline when they Started worshipping thie Emperor and not thier Gods. The Legions motto before Ceaser was Virtue not so much after. It was not funding the Armies, which were self funded for the most part. It was the Legion that brought the wealth to Rome. Rome fell when they were more concerned about thier own special interests that they were about the Empire they founded.
The British Empire Fell because they gave it up. They left volutarily from most of thier possesions and not because they could not afford it. It was because they could no longer justify being colonial masters.
Yes, he has mainly served as a JAG officer in the Gaurd.
The URL to the CFP didn't work, but I did read the other articles and CFP does not pull out any stops as far as telling it like it is. Yes, I think the man has had sign of dimentia quite a while back. You could tell from his town hall meetings. There were days I cringed listening to him.
As far as George Soros is concerned, Soros played him like a violin knowing that Obama would win and Soros's contribution would put a pox on McCain's name and thats why McCain floundered and didn't object to Obama's lying. They're ALL freaking corrupt one way or another as far as the game is played.
Thanks Cowboy, you're remark was appreciated and likewise here.
I did not say that the FED was not privately owned organization. What I did say it is against thier own intrests to screw things up. We do need to get more control of the FED but have to be really carefull because of unintended consequences. The Chairman of the FED is still a Government Appointed Position and that is the Control we have.
Strange, isn't it, that when a blatant liar like Scott Brown wins an election by pretending to oppose Obamacare while having been the biggest supporter of Romneycare in the Mass legislature, he is immediately praised by people who feel the urge to attack Ron Paul, a man who has consistently has opposed bigger government.
Paul may not understand the motives of the Islamofascists and foolishly attributes their actions to being a response to US foreign policy, but he does understand that big government is our most dangerous enemy. That puts him miles above Scott Brown who is, quite simply, the Republican Obama – looks good in a suit, has never had a thought of his own and is saying nothing in a way that sounds like what you want to hear.
The Democrats will change a comma to a semicolon in their 2000 page assault on American health care and Brown will vote for it. He has already bragged about working with Democrats but has not once mentioned protecting American's liberty.
While this coat rack of a Senator may buy us a little time in the battle against Obamacare he cannot be relied on to counter the general attack on liberty that the last two administrations have engaged in. He's the Trojan Horse in the progressives' attempt to breach the walls of the Tea Party and control it. Don't let him in.
Islamic Supremacism and Sharia at St. Louis University But Freedom Center Banned
Islamic Supremacism and Sharia at St. Louis University But Freedom Center Banned
Just another disgusting, glaring example of Islamic supremacism on the utterly irrelevant and increasingly subversive college campus. Civilizational jihad.
The Muslim Brotherhood's satellite organization is yet again snuffing out free speech with intolerance and Muslim intimidation and thuggery to advance MB's stated goal to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the "sole reference point for … ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community … and state".
Everything you hear, see, and read about Islam in this country comes from the Muslim Brotherhood unless you do your own research. The public school curriculum, colleges, universities, the military, the FBI, the CIA, Centcom, NSA, Department of Defense, Department of State …….everything. The MB has achieved their goal of absolute intellectual dominance.
Double-Standard at Saint Louis University? Bob McCarty
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Try this one:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...
In business your competion does not fly airplanes into your headquarters. Countries do not act like business and never have they. A weak Foreign has always led to war and suffering on a massive scale. WWII was a direct result of weak Foreign Policy. You cannot equate business and countries. A business always acts in thier own best intrest in order to profit. A business will destroy its' competitors if they do a good job. People do not die when you make a bad business decision, well mostly.
It is not the $$$$ that caused us to go into the Middle East. It is the fact that if that area is not stable enough to import Oil Billions of People could Starve to death. It takes Oil to Grow food. Diesel Fuel makes the tractor pull the plow. Oil iis used in the Chemical Industry to make Fertilizers and Pesticides without which too many people starve to death.
France: Devout Muslim Family Beats, Blinds Girl — Held Hostage by Her Brothers for Surfing the net
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What a horrible piece of opinion this article represents. The U.S. government is a fail on foreign and domestic policy.
Eggsactly!
I am reminded of an interview Ron Paul had with Cavuto March of 2009.
Though not a Ron Paul disciple, i was surprised and disappointed with his stance on earmarks, which he uses and endorses. His rebuttal that he never voted for an earmark because " I voted against all appropriation bills " is a very duplicitous statement. $73 million-plus, went to his district.
I agree with copperpeony; "He blows with the wind like the rest of those snivelly, wasted reps we sent to DC. "
He gets the earmarks without taking responsibilty for the resulting corruption/cronyism/kickbacks/ kiss my a** results.
His reply that " The whole idea that you vote against an earmark, you don't save a penny. That just goes to the administration and they get to allocate the funds " is a copout. That's like the policy of parents that " I let my kid drink or smoke at home (or sleep with boy/girl friend) because it's going to happen anyway but this way I can regulate it ".
Scathing but true to the facts as they are. A RINO more left than some Liberal moderates. Thanks for this. Conclusion: You cannot trust anyone anymore.
“A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small bundle.” – Benjamin Franklin
Thanks. A movie that is must see for you is called: Goodbye, Lenin. It is a German movie – comedy that is about the transition during the unification of the country. If you remember DDR – you will laugh your eyes out. I was born in Bulgaria, finished high school in the USSR – I was surprised when I heard Obama's speeches during the campaign – he sounded like my teacher in Marxism-Leninism. What was even more surprising was that nobody in America seem to notice and the young folks celebrated that crap!
" We act more civil and come up with WIN/WIN negotiations for the most part."
The remaining "part" is dealing with fascists.
Although I do not know the particulars of your company, if violent thugs threatened it, you would call upon the police to use "thuggish" actions to defend it.
Eric Dondero is a disgruntled former aide of Ron Paul's.. he is bitter and trollish to the core. He has no real understanding of how the world works. Ron Paul is a true statesman who stands up for the foreign policy of freedom and of liberty that our founding fathers espoused. Eric Dondero has no idea what he is talking about.. I just cant believe people buy into the same shit ideas that got us into the mess we are in.
eric dondero is a disgraceful benedict arnold and Ron Paul is a patriot.
I believe Guiliani (who didnt win much in the '08 race) has foriegn policy all jacked up this video is how it should be and no its not Ron Paul talking. And Eric you got fired bud. You don't know anything about this stuff your a poser. Face it you suck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TFKXHiefs
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I GET IT!!!!
We are suppose to replace our FAITH IN GOD to keep us safe under all circumstances….with….
THE ALL MIGHTY POWER OF FAITH IN GOVERNMENT.
So it's now…"IN GOV WE TRUST????"
(*eyeroll*) Big government warefare Republicans are not any more "conservative" than any of the welfare democrats.
You or me did not have a chance to sit there and object on that day to the electoral votes. He is a bag of hot air in it only for himself. Another has been politician who says one thing then does another. Sorry but thats the way it is even if you don't like it.
He was more afraid of people laughing at him than doing the right thing.
If Palin IS who she and others make her out to be, then a thank-you card would be more appropiate than stumping with him. A part time friend of the Constitution is a part time enemy to the Country.
President Thomas Jefferson did NOT have the Congress declare war on the Barbary pirates ( we can't declare war on individuals and it's individuals we are fighting; though they belong, tenuously or not, to al Qaeda ); so there are old precedents.
AGAIN with the Dondero internet obsession with Ron Paul? God almighty, the internet posts by Dondero on this only subject of his have to number in the many thousands by now. Kids, please get out of the bedroom in your Mothers’ basements & enjoy life a little bit. The action packed video game featuring Scott “Olympia Snowe” Brown & Eric “I use to work for Ron Paul” Dondero as the dynamic duo coming to save the world from the evil villan Ron Paul is sadly infecting your computers with a deadly virus.
He reminds me more and more of Ross Perot every day. The guy is a certified moon bat.
You are talking about Bernanke, right? AND that is supposed to be ok because he is appointed by a corrupt, self serving government who wants nothing more than to make this country ruled by a NWO? I'm sorry but I find that totally laughable that you call it CONTROL "that we have".
We have NO control over this so-called manipulating organization.
Take a bath, hippie. Wash out your mouth and your mind. They are both filthy.
Ron Paul is a moon bat plain and simple. The fact that he has sucked you in does not speak well of you.
The ONLY "nonsense" is that crap you posted.
A country is not a business???
THAT statement alone throws ALL your credibility out the window.
Right..but the police wouldn't then go slamming into their building shooting the innocent secretary to bust the CEOs…would they????
Ya they are already touting around some great choices, Big Government Huckabee and Mitt Health Care for Massachusetts Romney
PS…WE THE PEOPLE have given the power to our gov to be fascist.
We need to knock it off and the first step is by not voting for BIG GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES…period.
Ya, I agree, if you read his positions on his website its the same old tired song.
Between elected congressmen allocating spending or anonymous government employees at least congressmen can be fired.
Ron Paul IS crazy and always has been.
He runs under the GOP banner and takes their money, because as a Libertarian, he couldn't get elected dog catcher and should NOT have ever been elected to any position.
Paul is the Dennis Kucincih ( perhaps even loonier than old Dennis ) of the GOP and someone who almost never votes with the GOP; especially on anything of import.
I do not agree with Eric Dondero's positions but I am sure he is as sincere in his beliefs as Ron Paul is. He is willing to lay out his reasoning in an article so why call him trollish? Presuming to claim that he has no real understanding is pretty presumtive on your part.
You and I may believe Eric Dondero is incorrect as to his reasoning or conclusion but calling him names doesn't advance the discussion one bit (in my opinion, I could be wrong).
Dondero you fool.
It is you who are showing a lack of understanding of the Constitution. The 1st Amendment provides for Freedom OF religion. It protects Muslims, Christians, Wiccans, Satanists, Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus…you name it.
The Constitution forbids going after these groups based on their religious beliefs. We have to go after them based upon their ACTIONS…hence the War on Terror. The terrorists just happen to be Muslims. That isn't our fault.
Also, you'd better go back and read some of the later Amendments to the Constitution. The POTUS now has the lawful authority to declare war. It must be confirmed within a certain time by the Congress to remain valid…WHICH THEY DID!
Should law enforcement profile Muslims for potential terrorist ties? Absolutely. But the Constitution does not allow the Government to persecute ANY religion, which is what you seem to be advocating.
"America should ban hijabs, burqua and, minorettes."
How can you pretend to honor and respect the Constitution while making statements like this? I can't decide whether it is ignorance or hypocrisy.
Bill King
Speaking of fear.
Islamist made you submit to their will using your own cowardice.
Not only are you an extremely ignorant little girl, your benighted posts are comedy relief in the highest.
No, he didn't. I'm surprised that you don't see it.
I predict a lot of fired congressmen
Everyone here should be grateful to Ron Paul for running for President in '08 and AWAKENING PEOPLE to the threat of the FED, gov't intrusion into private lives, etc! You may not agree with him on foreign policy, but the man is an economic genius. For introducing hundreds of thousands of people to Austrian Economic theory, he should be praised and admired.
Ronulans must really hate Presdient Reagan since he increased military spending to 6% while President during peace-time.
President Bush spent 5% during wartime.
Paul IS an damned ISOLATIONIST !
You Paulists don't even know what he stands for/advocates and has done for all of his life. LOL
And you all are worse KOOL-Aid drinkers than the Onmabots.
Let's hope for at least 218 fired congressmen.
We don’t even have to pretend anymore this is a republic, it is the biggest corrupt government money can buy. So why should the masses play along? We have no voice. We have no money. We are second class citizens to property and foreigners. So what does that make the masses? Less than nothing..
Soon we will hear GE for president and no one can say that won’t happen because they have rights as a person.
Bin Ladin doesn’t have to hide anymore, form corp and buy a piece of the government he can walk free. We sure don’t want to infringe on his share holder rights.
The government parties have managed to take a little more freedom from the people and they hide behind NBC AND GE.
What the heck are talking about?
President Reagan increased military spending to 6%. During peacetime!
I gave you a thumb up on this one because you are addressing the attack-able issue of Islamic belief (translated into action) that clashes with Constitutional principle. This is the correct (and legal) avenue of attack to address the problem. The American people will no longer be shackled by the self- imposed chains of political correctness.
You are free to observe any (or no) religion in this country, but when those beliefs translate into un-Constitutional behavior, we will no longer hesitate to call you out on it. If you want to live under Sharia Law, move back to the oppressive countries that you came from.
Serious;y?
You think banning burkas are going stop Islamic Jiahdists from blowing you to bits?
I'll bet you bake a pie for the guy who is knifing you in the guts.
Eric Dondero on waking up in the morning:
First he sees the corn flakes, & then he thinks “Ron Paul”
Next, toilet paper: “Ron Paul”
Soap, after turning on the shower, “Ron Paul”
Shaving cream, “Ron Paul”
On seeing the sun rise, “RonPaulRonPaulRonPaulRonPaul…”
And so his day goes with his life’s obsession.
Sad, actually!
If our government has failed us, it is because we have failed ourselves in re-electing these weasels time and time again. Hopefully, we will begin correcting that error in November.
as a tea and 912 I know what I speak about.. oops i no longer have a voice. I am simply relaying what my property knows. ..
So when can America start shipping wealth home from the vanquished nations? Instead they seem to be nothing but a drain upon our citizens.
"I agree with copperpeony; "He blows with the wind like the rest of those snivelly, wasted reps we sent to DC. "
He certainly does blow.
George Washington was an Isolationist. Read his Farewell Address.
You have some valid points.
Frankly, we have been chattel since about 1916.
Remember those seven little fellers?
"Hi-ho, hi-ho, its off to work we go……….."
The Republic is but a distant concept. Bastardized by politicians.
As to your comments about Bin Ladin? It's no wonder they can't find him. I always thought he was shacked up in a Pentouse, in either Paris or Geneva, since September TENTH, 2001………
I was protesting the Left beginning in 2002, when their assault on America was organized through their frontman antiwar movements United for Peace and Justice and ANSWER.
How come Ron Paul was not out front protesting the Left back then?
Not our problem. The Russians and the Brits could deal with him.
I'd like to join in your name calling festival. You are an ignorant ass who hasn't the least idea of what he is talking about. That is why you side with losers like the moon bat Ron Paul.
Careful, the CIA is after you!!!!!
In the late 18th century, Washington was talking about Europe's millenia old wars and alliances. He wasn't faced with foreign terrorists flying planes into skyscrapers, our Capital buildings, nor airmen from foreign nations bombing our fleet ( Japs ), etc. !
He and our FFs thought that we were far enough away, so that we needn't be involved with foreign wars; except for Thomas Jefferson, who was a huge Frankophile and sided with the worst of the worst of those fighting the French Revolution. Thankfully, his position didn't prevail.
Just as it has been said that "NO MAN IS AN ISLAND", it is also true, now more then ever, that NO NATION IS AN ISLAND; especially with world wide terrorism by rabid Muslim extremists.
Washington is rolling in his grave, from all of you mordant idiots misinterpreting his words and using them to bolster your suicidal, death wish !
"NEOCONS" ?
Stuff your anti-Semitic crap where the sun don't shine, ASTARLESSGIRL and brainlessgirl.
Which amendment gave the president the power to declare war? I am having trouble finding it in my copy of the Constitution.
The Constitution does give the feds the power to restrict immigration. It would be pretty simple to end all immigration for all reasons for 50 years and let us sort out this mess. Remember if the 9/11 guys couldn't come over and train as pilots, go to strip clubs, and catch planes in Boston, they couldn't have attacked us. If we didn't let Nigerians on plane to the US, they couldn't set their underwear on fire above Detroit.
Not only have I read it once, but several times and unlike YOU and the rest of those who misuse and don't understand it, I DO understand what he was talking about!
You just don't get it, because you are ignorant, know no history, and don't understand the tomes Washington lived in.
Yep, Perot with a whole lot of Dennis Kucinich thrown in; Looking4.
Wesley Clark is a bigger loser than Mccain..
I think we should let the big boys loose like we did on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
That's how you promote life, liberty, and property or in the U.S. governments case totalitarian democracy.
Go to the Library of Congress and look it up, or just google it, for God's sake. I am not a paid researcher.
As for tighter immigration enforcement, I am all for it.
Sadly, his son is a neocon.
It was an open ended authorization for the use of military force. No wars were authorized.
Don't criticize the U.S. government, you might be detained.
Here. This ought to keep you busy for a while.
http://www.justice.gov/olc/warpowers925.htm
The socialist say don't let a crisis go to waste.
they are going to do something about this ruling and it will worse than mc cain.
Their problem is going to be the foriegn issue.
The republicans who cheered this ruling shot themselves in the foot for they will now be part of the problem and not the cure.
They can't put forward another mc cain if we scream about foreign influnce in corp.
Most likely it would have been "present"
Yep, hopefully this will wake people up about Palin.
I remember Savage saying something about McCain and the Forrestal incident. He rushed to say McCain couldn't be *blamed* for it but chuckled about how someone could have so much tragedy in his life – said some people are just unluckly.
The Nazis were soldiers. Great people.
Seems like you have a problem with reason, then. Why do so-called conservatives whinge about their own government in their lives but expect foreigners to enjoy our interventionist government in theirs. Their opposition is more like our Founding Fathers who did not like being ruled by a foreign government.
Yes, we have an enemy around every sand dune. Here a jihad, there a ragtop, here a muslim, everybody be afraid.
They may even storm the California beach one of these days. I don't care if we completely continue to go bankrupt from the warfare state and welfare state, we must stop radical muslim now. We need to raise the defense budget to counter the terrorists air force and navy. We must also pay for more muslims that are on the right side to be police and military officers in Afghanastan. I think we also need to invade Yemmin and Iran, as those are two hotbeds of radical muslims like Afghanastan was.
I'm curious, do YOU want YOUR government to be "dovish" or interventionist in YOUR life? What makes you think others would be different – especially when it is a foreign government intervening in their lives? Put it another way, how would you like to be ruled by a foreign government where you have no rights or legal recourse? Don't play stupid and say they hate us for our freedom – they hate us for removing theirs.
Ron Paul was the last chance the GOP had at a future. Huge ranks of YOUNG people supported him. Very few supported McLame and the neocon statists. Don't be fooled by the GOP self-deluding themselves over Brown. LOL! Truth comes out…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Y2sAdDw98
Just as a warning to any "points" junkies, watch your points disappear if you admonish either Ron Paul or Sarah Palin.
LOL I saw that movie three weeks ago! That was fascinating watching them try to mimic the DDR. The clothes, cars and food and attitides! Things that nobody on earth would think about except the people that lived it.
Looks like you were fooled again, Eric Dondero. Stop taking marching orders from AIPAC, ok?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Y2sAdDw98
Supporting Israel through forced wealth transfers from producers by the United States Government is nothing but theft.
" Ron Paul disciples "
There lies the problem. "Disciple" denotes unwavering support and adherence to. Whether it be Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, or Barack Obama, no one is worthy of that level of support save for Jesus.
I am a Tea Partier, but no deciple of any person or organization. You get to that level and you'll drink Kool-Aid to the grave.
You wouldn't know "Imperialism" if it hit you in the ass with a coal shovel.
Yeah, used Letters of Marque and Reprisal……
Which is what Ron Paul would have done…..
Rather than trash the Constitution….
But that is the real goal of those who have hijacked our government.
Telling a modern conservative that war mongering does not promote peace and does not promote security is like trying to tell a liberal that welfare doesn't help poverty.
and cair was here in OKC a few days ago…pitching their crap….
Best part is "we are under attack!" mixed with "let's let hoards of foreigners in the country legally and illegally." Clearly, we are being lied to.
Afghanistan was stupid – ask the Soviets.
Exactly. Big government for a different reason. Meanwhile, pretend the Democrats are different to fool you in to thinking you have a real choice.
The mice chose the black cat.
The republicans hated the tea party as badly as the democrats. They now realize that they can't isolate and silence such a large movement, so they will have to try to find a way to embrace it.
Problem is their platform and candidates all support big government as an answer just like the Democrats only a slightly different flavor.
The U.S. government republicrats like Scott Brown love your property.
they sure do..they cheered when the SC gave foreigners constitutional rights.
Afghanastan was smart. It continues to bankrupt the United States Government, which is a great thing.
It seems to me that at least part of the reason terrorists want to kill us is because we meddle in the worlds affairs far too much. I am happy for the Iraqi people, but I don't agree that just because we had success in Iraq, that it justifies going in the first place. We have long known that the weapons of mass destruction never existed and that Iraq posed no real threat to the US. We all know Sadam was a madman, but at any given time, in places all over the world, there is conflict. There are rulers coming into power that may not be sympathetic to the US. There is great suffering of people all over the globe. We can't fix everything with war and we can't save all the worlds people. I wish that we could, but the reality is that we must focus on real threats to our security and our sovereignty. And when people are in real need the US should do what it can, just as in Haiti, but we must take care of our own first. While soldiers die in Iraq, people are going hungry and homeless in this country. And as I type this, we have citizens living in tent cities here too. Hundreds of thousands of people will lose their jobs in the next month and thousands more will give up even looking for work.
I'm sure they are! When D's beloved Bush II denied him access to the new "lower taxes, limited government" free prescription drug benefit, D called up Bush I to sick the CIA on all his laughing detractors.
I guess then he is used to people telling him when and what to do. He will fit right in with the establishment.
Thanks for the heads-up. I didn't see any previous articles here by him
Looks like Mitch McConnell disagrees with the groupie author. From the Wall Street Journal:
"The message in Massachusetts was absolutely clear," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said on NBC's "Meet The Press." "The exit polls that I looked at said 48% of the people in Massachusetts said they voted for the new senator over health care. Only 5% mentioned any other issue."
Don't worry, Eric "I used to work for Ron Paul" Dondero will be back tomorrow somewhere on the world wide web with another ringing analysis of why Ron Paul is evil, but reading Dondero's many thousands of absurd internet postings about Ron Paul will be our salvation from him.
The invasion of Iraq was the biggest foreign policy blunder since the Vietnam War. It took our eye off the ball in the fight against terrorism and created a power vacuum in the middle east that we must now fill ourselves to the tune of $8 billion each month or run the risk of Iran stepping in… a scenario that Israel could never tolerate.
The fact that Brown believes it was not a mistake calls his national security judgment into question. Can he be counted on to recognize the next potential debacle that we face? It doesn't look like he will be up to the task.
Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA's special counter terrorist "Bin Laden Unit" fully confirm's Ron Paul's assessment. They attack because we meddle in their affairs-the same as we would do if someone did it to us. Our military spending would be far more wisely spent on domestic defense and a navy that can patrol the globe, istead of sending our brave troops into 3rd world countries on behalf of Exxon-Mobile, Raytheon, etc., and the corrupt politicians that received campaign contributions from them. Ron Paul is right on once again.
WE send money to a whole LOT of nation; not just to Israel……it is part of our diplomatic efforst, which you lunatics believe works better than fighting.
And the term "neocon" has just about NOTHING, whatsoever, to do with Israel.
Did you notice that the young man was actually missing the DDR, not his mother who lived through it. Young people dig the socialism – all the pretty talk – go to the Moon (the young man's idol was the cosmonaut). His mother who had to deal with the system all her adult life was just fine with the end of it. Long live the Coca Cola
You are such a moron, that it's a wonder you have managed to live, unaided ( or do you have constant aid ? ), thus far.
Paul, thank GOD, has no power to do anything and besides fighting the GOP, at every turn and sounding like the idiot he is, that's what Ron Paul does………………….NOTHING! In that way, he's pretty much like Obama, when he was a state Senator; just sitting there and phoning it in.
Yes, wherever you and the johnster are getting your facts and "truth", clearly you are being lied to.
………….. Hanzo
But what about our Empire?
Really………..Rand Paul was once a Trotskyite, but then became a conservative in middle age, and is a Jew?
Who woulda thunk it; he doesn't look like he is over 60 years old.
It's creepy, this Dondero internet "obsession" with attempting to demean Paul. Everywhere, no matter how obscure the website, if there's a Paul reference, there's almost always an "I used to work for Ron Paul" Dondero blabbering away in the comments section. Kind of like taking a wrong turn into an adult video store if you ask me.
We're not engaged to the scope of Soviet involvement.They pulled out after unacceptable losses to their Hind helicopters and their fighter jets(and some discontent as a result of combat losses), as a result of Stinger guided missles. To compare our involvement to that of the Soviets in Afghanistan is incredibly naive, or stupid…………………. Hanzo
Afghanastan(sic) isn't what's bankrupting the U.S.Government. To insist that's the case shows the level of your delusion…………………… Hanzo
I just speak the truth Hanzo, if people agree with their taxes (actually future taxes) to rebuild Afghanastan thats your right. I don't agree with forced wealth transfer to prop up a sock puppet government in Afghanastan.
If you support that, then you don't respect the private property of individuals.
And your enlightened suggestions are? Who on Gods green Earth would be worse than BHO? Oops, talking to a moonbatty troll here, you probably think the narcissist-in-chief is doing just a bang up job, correct?…………………….. Hanzo
Well I hear you on this issue. The challenge for me is do I go with that fantastic 90% and allow the 10% that is going to blow us back to the 12th Century? I dont think so. Yes audit the fed, kill Freddie and Fannie, reinstate the Glass-Stegall act. Kill obamacare. Kill all spending. Across the board tax cuts. Everywhere. Everybody. Fire the Czars, beginning with Bernake, and, oh yes- bomb bearded cavemen in Afghanistan into oblivion because they do not deserve to live on the same planet with the rest of us. We can do all that at once. We are multi-taskers. I wanted to give Ron the benefit of the doubt but did not give money to his campaign because I new we would find out EVERYTHING. Ron I love you. I do not love neo-con conservatism nor will I support 90% just to get a 10% bomb.
Ron Paul is starting to remind me of a paranoid Neville Chamberlin. While I can agree with SOME of his ideas on economic policy, he's definitely out there beyond the great divide…………………. Hanzo
Sure they did, where's the link for that?………………. Hanzo
He's a looney toon, much like you seem to be………………….. Hanzo
Yes everything that boy thought was, wasn't. People drive me crazy when they put down capitalism. It's the little things that many times makes life fun, like Coca Cola, nice clothes and cars.
It'd be fun to experiment with these kids today and place them in a Marxist environment. "What, no IPODS?!" We need Marxist Summer Camp for the Capitalist-Challenged.
Did your property tell you what to write on your post? The recent SCOTUS decision was about placing political ads and buying media time for a politician or express views on an issue, not to line politicians pockets. I can't believe you are so misinformed on this issue, sure I expect it out of numbnuts fonz and retard johnny, but I've agreed with some of your posts in the past. This time, not so much……………..Hanzo
ho hum…………………Hanzo
Read the War Powers Act my leather-clad friend.
Yeah, we have a bit of work to do here in Ohio before November, my friend…………Hanzo
"Don't criticize the U.S. government, you might be detained."
Yeah, swept off by those black helicopters to those FEMA caps. Sheeeesh….
He is a Republican? At least we know he won't be as bad as a democrat*wink*……………………….Hanzo
You don't have the slightest fucking idea how ISAF operations are conducted, do you? So shut your ignorant hole.
Well I will agree, even Obama is worse than Bush.
This only makes me more happy that I voted for Ron Paul. The priority for this republic should be to shore up our economy. Not to battle a bunch of Muslims who cannot get along with one another.
I could care less of what they think about us or why. But for us to sacrifice a single citizen to save these people from themselves is madness. If they cross us then do what the KGB did–cut off their limbs and mail them to their families. They will get the message real quick.
Empire?
Here's our empire…apparently we went to war for Exxon-Mobile so that John Kerry and Clair McCaskill could send a letter to the Iraqi govenrment insisting Iraq's oil contracts end up in China's hands.
Empire-a CIA-Zionists controlled EMPIRE!
Don't you feel stupid for voting for BHO, thinking he was going to pull out of Afghanistan? Even a broken clock is right twice a day.So far, BHO is right once, you none……………….. Hanzo
Ronulans are as funny as Obamabots.
Thanks for the laughs.
Yeah, islamo-facists are just like our FF"s. Remember all of those burkhas? And all of the beheadings?And the suicide bombings? Oh, wait a minute……………….. Hanzo
Then you would be speaking German, today; if you were alive.
*Yawn* snore occasional <snark> ……………….Hanzo
The U.S. government continues to step into one quagmire after another, further bankrupting themselves out of power.
Scott Brown will continue the tradition nicely as he steps in to join the ranks of the establishment. Even if he blocks healthcare, the government will still bankrupt in short order as the interest on the debt overtakes the tax revenues collected.
It's only a matter of time before fiat money returns to its intrinsic value (nothing), and marshall law will be declared in the United States. The U.S. Military will be pointing guns at other American Citizens in the name of security.
A Brown vote was a vote for change.
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I'd rather be speaking German than see America turned in to a cess-pit and Americas turned in to slaves to the Zionists as is happening through the Geithner/Bernanke/Madoffs/Barney Franks/Rahm Emanuels/Wolfowitz/Perl coalition. "Israel First" determines every action they make. "How will what I am doing benefit Israel." War for Israel, money for Israel, lucrative deals for Israel (like the phone system they use to spy on Americans). Enough, already. We should have sided with Germany rather than the Jewish communists of the Soviet Union.
ISAF? Sounds like globalism to me. You a fan of globalism, are you?
Zing! Well stated as always, JK.
UGH! How did Andrew allow this dolt on his website? This had nothing to do with foreign policy…
ISAF: The International Security Assistance Force, that is, the US-led
American/Brit/Canadian forces (plus some other token NATO) fighting the
Taliban. Authorized by the UN, for all those who want to whimper that
it's somehow \”illegal.\”
Ron Paul doesn't think there are no terrorists there, Dondero is a jackass that gets everything ass backward. Ron Paul is against INTERVENTIONISM and Nation Building just like Bush said in 2000.
Dondero = lost cred for this website
Is healthcare a right, or a good or a service? If you believe it is a right then Scott Brown is your man.
Thanks for the tip about the movie.
"I served as Congressman Ron Paul’s Senior Aide from 1997 to 2003. I can remember his early noises made to his policy advisor circle immediately after the 9/11 attacks, not to vote for the resolution to go into Afghanistan."
That is very telling. I suspect that if Obama had been a politician back in those days, we would be seeing the same stance from him. I will never be convinced that Obama wanted to go to Afghanistan, even though he "says" he was for it.
Don't know how Dondero got on here! Kick him off right now Andy!
Isolationist refers to COMMERCE and Ron Paul is definitely not one to say no commerce. It is YOU who has no idea what RP stands for.
Ron Paul is no DOVE. He is consistently relected by the VETS in his district.
I guess the truth is very subjective, eh johnny? Yes, I do respect the private property of individuals. I also live in the real world, not in anti-semitic bizzaro world where fonz resides, where do you live, johnny? Are you an anti-semitic hater too?……………………….. Hanzo
None of that is relevant. Their opposition to oppression is what matters. Hanging people is on par with beheading. Suicide bombings – why does that bother you so?* Would you rather they were conventional bombers? Seems you would prefer the former to the latter, but you are a brainwashed fool so probably not.
*BTW, I was asking it rhetorically. What bothers you about suicide bombing is that it proves they are actually behind this fight unlike the fat and stupid American tv watchers who are unwitting accomplices.
Isn't it a shame that the C4L won't join the tea parties?
Shriek, shrill high pitched churlish insults!! Major *YAWN*………………. Hanzo
Obama double the size of the troops in Afghanistan. Only after Obama fired the generals running the war. Then for 4 months no one was in charge. The Talban over ran most of our remote outpost during this time.
I case you have not notice we are taking heavy loses because Obama is an idiot.
Obama is no leader. Obama is the worst president every!
Another Israeli agent. Israel First. How dare a US Representative not follow the marching orders of AIPAC and invade countries for Israel! LOL!
Comparing Ron Paul to Coakley shows you just how out of touch Dumbdero is…. Andrew boot this jackass off here won't you? Ron Paul believes in going after the terrorists.. no matter how many of you try to mischaracterise him.
Too funny. Calling Ron a 'career' politican? He gets 70% from his district and serves them well. Graney you've got about 0% chance of booting him.
Sounds like the same post you made last week, do you just cut and paste, hoping your post matches the subject matter at hand? If I were you , I wouldn't worry so much about world events, I'd take a remedial spelling and syntax course, or two, nothing personal, just sayin'……………….. Hanzo
Imperialistic? We're colonising? Oh yay, I need somewhere new to go on vacation!!…….. Hanzo
Wow, you truly are ignorant……………….Hanzo
That's a really common myth. As a prominent Japanese general warned about invading the United States, "there would be an American with a gun behind every blade of grass".
You work? I'll take fries with my Big Mac, ms. ………..Hanzo
you want a link? your are sitting inthe middle of it.. rah rah government party member.
thats right… you all take the blame for nothing even when I disturb you in mid cheer.
This is extremely funny. I haven't seen this amount of blind fanaticism since, well, since 2 or 3 weeks ago when the Michael Jackson Deniers hit the forum when an article written about him was posted. No dissenting opinion could be tolerated, everyone was shrilly shouted at in a most nonsensical, banal way.I used to like Paul until he started acting strange. He is a bizarre mix of Lyndon LaRouche and FDR, in my opinion, ha ha……………… Hanzo
*Yawn*, yes, I can see you are disturbed………
Who's the head cheerleader now? You, or the anti-semite fonz, nice company you keep there, what's that about the company you keep?…………………… Hanzo
"Did you learn anything from Vietnam or the Russian invasion of Afgahnistan(sic)?"
Yes. When you have leftists in charge, who are more concerned with their political bottom line, then the welfare of their country and its servicemen, defeat is all but assured.
As the author states, the issue of health care was "front and center." The vote was primarily a rejection of the Obama dismantling of same. However, the Massachusetts voter apparently also thought an informed and proactive position on defense is superior to one based on surrender and ignorance.
Translation: He dares put America, rather than Israel, First.
Guess you don't know the facts. Our government green-lighted the invasion of Kuwait.
If oil is so important we should be allying ourselves with the oil-producers rather than SACRIFICING them and driving them to China and India…..so we can have the backstabber parasites of Israel as allies.
Zionists have very strange notions of property rights. According to them, Jews own everything! LOL!!!!!!!!!! Loons!
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……….right, you throw out a bunch of crap, then it's not relevant. you are a brainwashed jackass of immense proportions, amti-semitic bigot. You'd better run home to mommy's basement(starbucks probably closes soon), I heard Eustace Mullins is going to call and deliver his sermon to you over the phone, chock full of subliminal messages and marching orders………………… Hanzo
Hanzo.. why do government party members steal tax payer money and give it to Your party???
Thank you.
add to this 2 TV channels, uniforms for the school kids, hair tied in a pony tail for the girls, short hair for the boys, no jewelry and make up (for boys and girls). If you set up a camp – call me for an instructor
Well that's funny since I was one of Paul's first supporters and I also helped Scott Brown.
I'm saying that Dondero is fighting with windmills…. he's a fired employee which is why he has a chip. None of this matters, all foreign policy is the same and run by shadows.
you are welcome!
FDR was a communist, Ron Paul has no resemblance to that which PROVES you have no clue what Paul believes, only what detractors like Dumbdero say about him.
Remember, Dumbdero was FIRED. He's a disgruntled employee.
Thank you for this true article! That's my problem with Ron Paul!
the republican only have one answer.. me me me..
so if we can't declare war on individuals, and it's individuals we are fighting, does that mean military tribunals are null and void?
Pshaw! I don't believe the Useless Nuisance has any more legal authority
than does the Tooth Fairy. I just tossed it in for the libnutz who seem
to think a \”Simon Says\” from Turtle Bay confers legitimacy.
ISAF is Gen McChrystal's command. It's no more \”UN\” than the US+allies
forces in the Korean War.
Calling Ron Paul crazy is a pathetic, infantile argument.
It's all about the page views. This post got 294 posts in just a few hours.
This was written by Eric Dondero
A man who has been lying and smearing Paul to get his Congressional seat for years.
I can't believe Big Government.com would even think about putting up an article by a big government loving, war mongering interventionist neo-con such as Dondero.
BG.com is stepping down a few notches lately in the quality of writers. And Dondero is the bottom of the bucket.
So where does BG.com truly stand for? Limited government or neo-con big government?
With the writers here lately I would say the site name is a misnomer.
"Yes, health care was front and center. But it is notable that voters of one of the most dove-ish of states, chose to side forthrightly with the candidate of the Bush foreign policy agenda, over Obama/Paul."
As if Ron Paul supports the Obama Afghanistan escalation (not). Can't you just critique Paul for Paul's positions and Obama for Obama's position?
It's not a right but I think this guy wants to make some way for all to have ins. using the free market. I dunno, but he is going to vote against Obamacare, the ultimate socialistic program.. which is a step in the right direction.
Hey the progressives took us over incrementally, we aren't going to have a perfect republic and minimal government OVERNIGHT are we?
Eric Dondero was FIRED by Ron Paul and is a disgruntled, former employee with a vendetta. And as much as most people don't want to admit it, on the Afghanistan issue Ron Paul is correct. I just finished a deployment there and the place is a hell hole. We will pump billions into the place and will eventually leave it the same way we found it. There is nothing to build on there and we need to get out. I also deployed to Iraq and have a completely different opinion about that country. We've done some good things there and the Iraqi people in the long run will do well.
I wouldn't listen to a thing this Dondero clown says. But hey, he has a right to say it thanks to me and all the other Americans who have served or are serving now.
THIS is true. Dondero helped spread the lie that Ron Paul is somehow an FDR or LaRouche. Ron Paul is a complete constitutionalist little to no gov't conservative for sovereignty and against world-government (which is what we are really fighting now) and which is why he drove the progressive lefties NUTS with is popularity.
And he's no slouch when it comes to defense.
What people think they know is not what is true.
FACT: Dumbdero was fired and has a chip on his shoulder and like an autistic child with Aspergers, the conversation always goes back to 'it rained today so that proves Ron Paul is wrong' mentality.
Ron Paul == only true small gov't republican we have in Congress now.
we need more war. right guys?
i remind of this…
The fringe.. The all and powerful Republican Lindsey Graham called those who seek freedom in HIS party , “fringe”, I think I have heard those words before from some democrats. Too bad he was just re-elected by 58% of the vote.. Too bad the republican party is full of grahams and they have all the power and money..
Even though I battle republicans here it is to show them the light that the party doesn’t want your answers. Show all the grahams across this country that freedom and your vote comes with a price.
Register unaffiliated and fight back for they will not listen until they are forced.
They can’t win without party members and as long as you stay a republican they will always call you fringe and laugh. and win.
come on hansen want to spread your republican wisdom all over these pages.
Proves these folks have no idea what Paul believes in. He is 100% against Obama…. I'll bet he has more NO votes against big gov than ANY OTHER CONGRESSMAN!!!!
Ron Paul == Not who you think he is if you read Eric Dumbdero.
For defense.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz …………………….Hanzo
And I'm sure Ron Paul would agree with you! Target the terrorists but stay out of their country…. would you want Germany to come here to break up a fight between Tex and CA?
palin is not what she says…. her action speak.. she is a progressive..
So then we replace him with a BETTER conservative, but you see how it works? Now that we have the attention of the Massachussans….. educate!!!!!!!!!! Inform!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Major Yawn*, again, and which party is that, oh mind reader?………………Hanzo
What an obtuse, asinine statement
Also, Brown talked about how we deal with them once they have committed a crime here but did not say anything about interventionism 'over there'. Ron Paul would not be giving them a civilian trial… and he would have dealt with them a lot harsher —- permanent jail, or deportation.
Mr 911 Rudy "911" Gouleoni means nothing. Google His law firm and see the massive profits roll in from him scaring you and keeping you scared. Ron Paul follows the US Constitution, if you would rather have representitives like Nancy Pill-osy who replied to the question of constitutionality of health care reform with "are you serious….are you serious?"
The Federal Government is a creation of and serves at the pleasure of the 50 states not the vice versa as you un informened rats think. There are a massive amount of Americans that do know whats really happening out here in the real world and we will replace the likes of McCain, Gramnesty, Mc Connel and the rest of the old line neo-cons. Watch the next "Scott Brown" election in Texas governers race a real Republican Miss Medina .
han… property has no rights.. corp is property..
is that hard to understand?
when you give rights to property then people have no rights
and if think the SC is correct then stop drinking the progressive sacred wine.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz…at least you admit you're a bigot……………Hanzo
That was 'martial law' but I agree. Well just have to school Mr, Brown.
Mr 911 Rudy "911" Gouleoni means nothing. Google His law firm and see the massive profits roll in from him scaring you and keeping you scared. Ron Paul follows the US Constitution, if you would rather have representitives like Nancy Pill-osy who replied to the question of constitutionality of health care reform with "are you serious….are you serious?"
The Federal Government is a creation of and serves at the pleasure of the 50 states not the vice versa as you un informened rats think. There are a massive amount of Americans that do know whats really happening out here in the real world and we will replace the likes of McCain, Gramnesty, Mc Connel and the rest of the old line neo-cons. Watch the next "Scott Brown" election in Texas governers race a real Republican Miss Medina .
Final word: Interventionism is NOT conservatism. Remember that.
Closed borders, less spending, less government entitlements, less gov't interference in our lives and strong defense is.
ssg, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You really need to get a life, are you trying to shout through your computer?…………………….. Hanzo
L4S, this is fun, I haven't gotten this many thumbs down since the Michael Jackson Deniers invaded 2 weeks ago……………………. Hanzo
Was Ron Paul runnung for office in Massachusetts?
Yeah, well these people strike me as armchair voters, they can tell you what to do, but what have they done to make a change?……………………… Hanzo
@HANSZO: ONE MORE THING…. YOU WILL NEVER SEE RON PAUL SUPPORTING THIS KIND OF CRAP…. http://pushforpeacecorps.org/who-supports-a-200-m...
FIT THAT IN YOUR FDR/LAROUCHE FANTASY!
Careful, now . The Ron Paul Deniers are still stalking, they don't like the truth
…………………. Hanzo
Ya i believe the internet bypassing traditional media outlets has ramped up education and is indeed making a more informed public.
But I believe the continued bankruptcy of government and increasing misery index is having a more profound affect on bringing down the house.
(*eyeroll*) Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…………………………………..Hanzo
Kind of like the virus that infected you and the other Ron Paul Deniers?……………….. Hanzo
There do seem to be an awful lot of whiners sprinkled in here.
Who cares?………………….Hanzo
Well said, Michelle.
That's YemEn, cog
……………………..Hanzo
He's been in Congress for 20+ years voting NO to every single piece of legistlation that violates the Constitution, that's where. He's been mocked, and ignored by the entire establishment for years. Then, he was convinced to run for President a second time, and you know what, he started a movement that is still going strong. The Ron Paul enthusiasts were the very first signs of the Tea Parties becoming a reality, IMO.
I can't believe I just lost this whole comment and have to redo it.
Ron Paul has delivered over 2000 babies into this world. He served his country and saved the lives of soldiers as a medic in the Airforce. He has been routinely mouc ked and ignored for his entire time as a statesman. Until 2008. That was when his message suddenly struck a chord, after he unwillingly ran for office. Why was he hesitant? Because he didn't think he had a SNOWBALLS CHANCE of gaining any momentum. Yet look at the response he got! Because he knows with our current system and is willing to explain it as best he can. He never expected such devotion and admiration, and remains a humble soul.
Maybe it's because I get to vote his son in as Senator for Kentucky in 2010 that I defend him. please visit http://www.randpaul2010.com and donate if you agree with his views.
Peace.
Exactly! These neocons that say we are threatened yet let foreigners in the country are clearly lying. If the danger was what they claim the borders would be closed.
Yes, we have reduced the Ron Paul crowd to thumb sucking anxiety, it would seem.
you stand corrected about MANY things.
lol.
And the title…"ISOLATIONIST" is a joke within itself.
STOP THE NONSENSE..these imperialistic wars are making us go BROKE!!!
Wow – how did you get such great ratings when I say the same stuff and everyone downvotes me? LOL!
You mean they don't attack us because they want to institue shariah law and convert all infidels before the comimg of al' mahdi(their messiah), like all of the muslims say anytime they're asked? Sheesh, moonbat, give it a break, wow, get a life……………………….Hanzo
Why do we have "outposts"? Oh, that's right, we are occupying a foreign country. Worked great for the Soviets, right?
gg, you are as dumb as a box of rocks…sad …………………..Hanzo
Ha ha ha…a gaggle of morons schooling anybody, yuk yuk………………….Hanzo
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ………..Hanzo
I suppose that you wanted to see Croakley win? Why sit there and backbite? All you do is bitch. How about working towards a solution? Brilliant! We have to work with what we've got, even if it is a less stinky turd. WE'll get nowhere this way, let's be realistic abnd quit harping anout policies that are out of control for now? For now. If you are a true Conservative you wouldn't embrace everything said here tonight, especially with the likes of fonz. He is a major league bigot.Go to bed with dogs, wake up with fleas, think about it…………….Hanzo
Yes, those are JAG pins. The one on his right I don't recognize, but looks German- maybe a joint staff billet?
No, defending our country doesn't mean invading other ones. I support military tribunals. Trying enemy combatants in civilian courts is ridiculous (and dangerous). Massachusetts independents would seem to agree with this position. So why does this article set up a straw man against Ron Paul? I don't agree with Paul 100% on everything, but calling him an isolationist is an old, recycled lie. I'm an informed conservative, and unless you want to see the US go socialist, not only should you be seeking common ground with people like me, but you need to find unity with those Reagan-Democrats way to my left. And trust me, they are NOT suddenly in favor of big, never-ending military invasions!
You are a major dolt, you have no idea of my grasp of politics or current events. Don't even get me started, I'm tired of this crap tonight, from the Ron Paul Truthers. He is NOT God, not even Ronald Reagan. I stated I agree with some of his positions, but, like it or not, he will NEVER be president, no way, no how, capisce? Americans won't embrace someone they PERCEIVE to be partisan, on either side. Do you know nothing about history or politics?For right now Conservatives have to work with what we have, we're not going to change the landscape of politics over night, don't you get it?"All politics are local". Ever hear that? First we have to start in oue own backyards, then work our way up, that's called GRASSROOTS. At this point in time the Tea Party Movement is our best hope, NOT Ron Paul, sorry, that's just reality………………..Hanzo
It was an insult to let this writer use the term "Ron Paul Isolationism", taking the cause backwards and going with a derogatory label that was propagated early as a way to attack him, erroneously. This can only hurt the web site in the sense of alienating it's biggest supporters. He is the general considered to be the grandfather of the R3volution, after all. He is the reason major reason many of us, directly or indirectly, started caring about politics in these last couple of years. More of a non-interventionist…
skip ahead to the 1 minute mark to save time -Let's let Ron Paul explain himself. (Isolationism vs Non-Interventionism: Ron paul Explains) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kf6CjcJBeM
That's really an intelligent answer…. tell me, since when does a socialist want CLOSED BORDERS, is anti-abortion and wants strong defense and sovereignty and is anti-world government like Ron Paul?
You don't know the difference between a republiCON and a communist.. VERY SAD.
Some republiCONs are handing our assees over to COMMUNISM just the same as FDR and LaRouche.
Ron Paul is a freakin' John Bircher.
What is your level of education? Do you read? Nope didn't think so.
Ron Paul is also the grandfather of the tea parties. There is a great history of the tea parties written here by our compatriots in NH..
http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2009/11/21...
LIke anyone is going to listen to you who thinks the most conservative congressman in the legislature is like FDR? Or communist LaRouche?
Doesn't sound like you know your butt from your elbow.
I'll bet you voted for George Bush, right?
What did he say in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc
He was against NATION BUILDING… wasn't he now?
Quite frankly, I don't trust any of your judgments. I lived through Reagan and I can tell you there's no such thing as a Reagan- Democrat. They ALL hated his guts and still do. And don't flatter yourself with your own importance. It will be whatever it will be with you or without you. If you want to follow a moon bat over a cliff…be my guest. Just don't waste my time telling me what a good idea it is.
Which world do you live in. The fantasy world or the real world. In the real world we have to do business with people we do not like. In a fantasy world we do not have to. In the real world if this country does not take action sometimes a situation can get out o hand quickly and affect the entire world in ways that are hard to comprehend. In a fantasy world we do not have to worry about what radicals are doing because it is not in our backyard.
Nobody is trying to force Muslim Countries to accept Western Culture. It is the citizens of those very countries that want to embrace western culture but those very same citizens are then punished for it. Just yesterday there was riots in Iran. We are not in Iran and have not been since the 70's over 35 years ago. These were young people rioting.
well speak lets see the knowledge drip on to the floor.
so far
nothing
do you practice your lines or is nothing the best you can do..
Of course you would prefer that the Nazis had won WW II; that is hardly a surprise.
When is your next al Qaeda, or is that Hamas, meeting?
Stalin wasn't Jewish (he actually had toyed with becoming a priest in the Russian Orthodox church ), was Hitler's partner, for a while, and didn't like Jews any more than you do.
And you have no clue who Ron Paul is. Do your homework.
Oh really? We are who started and keep the tea parties going.. Just look at NH….
Hanzo..
is hanzo your response.
is that suppose to mean something
or is that all you can cut and paste?
The people here like Hanzo are praising tea parties and dissing Ron Paul… which is really funny.
Who does he think are the ones in the tea party, helping get all that GOP support for HR 1207?
We are one and the same. The tea party is not neocon, despite the fact we helped Scott Brown.
Not really……………ISOLATIONIST also want to never engage in any war at all, which is also Ron Paul the moron's stance .
Re commerce, Paul wants to go back to SMOOT-HAWLEY times. You just might want to look into that. LOL
That was long after we got into WW II, but a bit before we dropped tgwo bombs on Japan.
It was also something which those running the war paid no attention to, in Japan.
Your overinflated sense of self importance is outstripped only by your ignorance, my dear.
An "earmark" is simply a budget. Like you "earmark" $400 of your paycheck for your car payment. What is wrong with that? What do you want them to do, dump money on the street?
Ron Paul the man is a bit of a disappointment, sure.
Because you are getting what he said confused.
He votes to ELIMINATE EARMARKS 100% of the time. When that fails he takes back money for his district like everyone else does on the premise that they had to pay it in, why should someone else get it? So that is how it is for now. Just like if you are forced to pay SS are you going to take it? I think so.
But he will vote to ELIMINATE EARMARKS when that comes up and has 100% of the time… but since the others don't it fails.
Get your story straight.
You really ARE an idiot; Knox!
Let's see, their motives are 1) our foreign policy and our support of Israel or…….. 2) they envy our freedoms.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with #1 here. Seems just a bit more plausible……
Intelligent answer? What does that say about you, little girl? I merely parroted your verrrry insightful comment to Sue. Methinketh thou doth protest to much.I'm assured that my level of education(you sound rather elitist, indulging in a bit of snobbery, but you picked the wrong target) far surpasses any level you could ever dream to achieve.The funny thing about these comments is we agree on every issue you stated above. I don't know the difference between a RepubliCON(as you so 'cleverly' utter) and a communist, ha ha. Don't get me started, I'll grade your paper.Ron Paul is a 'freakin' John Bircher'? You need to get up to date with your conspiracy theories, didn't you know Birch has long been exposed as an underground communist himself?It dosen't really matter, RP dosen't have the proverbial snowballs chance in hell of becoming president, no matter how hard we try or wish it to be so. Now go back to mommy's basement and read something by Eustace Mullins, child………. Hanzo
P.S.~ If you wish to engage in a battle of acerbic wit, you are preordained to lose, I'm going easy on you out of deference to your femininity.
The URL to the CFP didn't work, but I did read the other articles and CFP does not pull out any stops as far as telling it like it is. Yes, I think the man has had sign of dimentia quite a while back. You could tell from his town hall meetings. There were days I cringed listening to him.
As far as George Soros is concerned, Soros played him like a violin knowing that Obama would win and Soros's contribution would put a pox on McCain's name and thats why McCain floundered and didn't object to Obama's lying. They're ALL freaking corrupt one way or another as far as the game is played.
Thanks Cowboy, you're remark was appreciated and likewise here.
Doesn't take much in the way of brains to call someone a looney toon…especially when they have no proof.
Ron Paul is the tea party… people are waking up to what real conservatism is, and what we need to do to preserve THIS country.
You mean now you're accusing him of being a child molestor? That's gone way too far… !@#$!@#$!#@
Anyway, Ron Paul has as much chance to be president as Ru Paul, don't they get it? Nice to throw your vote away, now we're stuck with Obama. McCain sucks, but he'd be better then Obama……………..Hanzo
It is stupid to assume what Dumbdero is saying is true in the first place! Paul is NOT a DOVE!!!!!!
The U. S. was led into war in Iraq under lies by the Bush administration that there were WMD there.
No it wasn't.
How quickly we forget.
I would make a crack about what you've forgotten except you really haven't. You just overwrote it with Teh Narrative and shut down your thought processes so you could keep parroting it over and over.
So you like the tea party but not Ron Paul? The teaparty is made up mostly of Ron Paul people…
Most assuredly NOT the Paulites !
Your ego is 1,000 times larger than your IQ.
This is why the Tea Party movement is destined to implode, Hanzo. About 30% of them are 3rd party poison pills who would throw their collective vote in the trash in a heartbeat for some lame assed moon bat like Ron Paul. They are even more destructive to the country than the Obama Kool-Aid drinkers, and just as clueless. God save us from idiots!
Haiku? Kewl. Sorry, but the fact remains, Ron Paul has as much chance to be elected president as Ru Paul, or Ronald McDonald, no matter how hard we try or wish it to be so. So why not throw your vote away, right? McCain might suck, but he dosen't suck as bad as BHO. Right now our best bet as conservatives lies within the Tea Party Movement, not Ron Paul, sorry, that's just reality and your 'clever' haikus won't change that
……………………. Hanzo
Oh so now you are stooping to name calling? I am not a truther I can guarantee you that. I did not say he was going to be president, only said that you and many others have no clue what he is for or against, because you read tripe like this mentally ill Dumbdero.
I work with 30 'local' groups 16 hours per day including running our tea party as well as having started up with Ron Paul and also award winning GOPer so don't tell me what I I need to hear about 'grassroots'….the tea party is ME, It's Ron Paul, get that?
I'm proof. And I'm old enough to be your grandparent. Go to bed sonnyboy.
You just nailed it, in one, L4S; though I doubt that there are really enough howling at the moon, moombat Paulites to make up 30% of anything !
Yes he was, though somehow the term "isolationist" seems to have morphed into a sort of term that indicates someone who doesn't want to defend themself. Obviously that wasn't Washington.
Not only have I read it once, but several times and unlike YOU and the rest of those who misuse and don't understand it, I DO understand what he was talking about!
A small, fragile nation's first President advising to not get involved in foreign wars. That's pretty much it and at the time, it was good advice. Some folks try to use it as an excuse to ignore the fact that the situation has changed.
"Tomes"? Washington was a bookworm?
ron paul is not the tea even though he has lots of supporters in it and in the 912.
So, fonz, Ron Paul the man is a bit of a disappointment, sure, but Ron Paul the idea(or legend) is super duper? Ok, you're certifiable ………………………Hanzo
Ha ha ha, can you say HYPOCRITE ? ………………………Hanzo
OUCH………………"tomes" was supposed to be "TIMES" and was a typo. Sorry I didn't catch that, but we had a power failure, just as I was posting and I didn't read the reply before nor right after I posted. But Washington was a reader, as were the vast majority of our FFs.
The rest of your post was right on !
And that is entirely NOT true…. Not engage in war? That is not what he said… he said civil disputes in other countries are not our business. And your calling him a moron just negated any street cred you might have had even with your lack of facts.
That's because you hate Jews more tha Hitler and Osama bin Laden do, combined.
The fanatic Muslims don't hate YOU any less than they hate Jews! They want an 100% Muslim world…..a caliphate of world proportions; you ignorant weasel, phony Fonzie.
1Redcent, the particular moon bat candidate matters less than their idiotic idea that there is perfection to be found in politics. It shows a complete disconnect with reality. Anyone who thinks they can somehow create a utopia is a danger to themselves and others.
Did you read any of that L4S? I ask not as an insult nor do I expect a "Yes, I read it all."
I ask simply because it's a rather scary read when you consider who's currently in power.
A Ron Paul Denier is a person who is in distinct denial of reality. The fact is, sis, Ron Paul has as much of a chance of being elected to the office of POTUS as Ru Paul, or Ronald McDonald, for that matter. The fact that he is unelectable is totally lost on a Ron Paul Denier. No matter how hard we work, no matter how hard we dream of it, no matter how much we wish it to be, Ron Paul has NO, NADA, ZILCH chance of claiming office of POTUS. Sure, McCain sucks, but he would have been gads better than BHO. I guess you threw your vote away, eh? Nice, now we're stuck with BHO……………………… Hanzo
Kinda' like the reason you post here, right?………………..Hanzo
Look "gurl", I probably have known all about Ron Paul and engaged in debate against him, longer than you, so don't assume anything about me; it will NOT be true !
Perhaps you would care to explain to me and everyone else here, how breaking a peace treaty doesn't mean that the parties involved in said treaty are not then in a state of war.
Then, I suggest that you look into Paul's stance on tariffs. The last time I looked, he WAS for them.
He's also for increasing income taxes.
Reading comprehension is not a strong suit of some of you on this comment board. Ron Paul is against tariffs, and against income taxes, even thinks the IRS is illegal. Anyone hearing you say he's for more income taxes will laugh you out of the room… not sure where you are getting your information! You are connecting non-interventionism with every cliche possible… when just the opposite is his position. Sad.
Exactly so……………..on all counts!
Moonbats for Paul, are no different than the crying, drooling Obamabots. No, I take that back, black Obamabots don't know nor care one whit about policies; not that Obama was all that "transparent" about just what his were to be and the stupid lids who were Obamabots were as brain dead and ignorant. LOL
Isn't it better that you know the truth, no matter how scary it may be? Besides, you asked! Now you know.
Yeah, whatever.
I think the point thing is pretty dorky anyway. It never works as intended. I've seen idiots post with over 100 points so obviously it doesn't work.
As for this Ron Paul stuff… He sure does get people up in a riot! I don't really know anything about the guy but I do agree that the Fed should be audited and that it's probably not wise to go around being the police of the world. (Whether or not Ron Paul shares that opinion, I have no clue.) Of course, as soon as I say that my intuition is telling me I'll be labeled anti-war or something. (In fact, I am anti-war but not the way the label usually goes. I hate war, but you have to defend yourself.)
I didn't come here to push Ron Paul for president and never mentioned that. I came here to expose a charlatan who has a vendetta and is spreading 'facts' that simply are not true.
I notice you made no comment on the BUSH video, where he said the exact same things as Paul? You are basing your comments on cliches and perceptions not facts.
I run a tea party and several grassroots groups. However, the whole world is laughing at you or anyone who thinks Ron Paul likes tariffs, income taxes, isolationist trade polcies or that the John Birch society likes communism. You are arguing points that do not exist. Ron Paul sponsored the Audit the Fed bill HR 1207 and 340 Republicans signed on to it.
Hey everyone, did you know Hanzo and friends think Ron Paul likes income taxes? That has to be the dumbest thing I ever heard said yet…
Perhaps you should ease yourself out in deference to my age and experience…you can't even argue what is being argued… Got ADD?
Must be the mold in YOUR mommy's basement.. I own my own house AND basement.. I don't need to live in someone elses.
Unreal… so because he's not a nutty truther or birther, he's not fighting for the country?
Don't you just love it?
He's bad because he's a looneytune
He's bad because he's not looneytune enough to be a birther.
He's bad because he's for more taxes
He's bad because he's for NO taxes..
WHICH IS IT?
It's like schizophrenia these people who bash Ron Paul… some are bashing him for the complete opposite reasons….do you even know what he believes? This is proof you don't
How do you argue with someone who doesn't even know what he is arguing about?
I'm glad that Ron Paul is not a truther or birther nut because those people spoil our tea parties.
Sorry about the dolt remark, just resonding to your own ad hominems. I changed my mind, you're not a Truther, you're a Ron Paul Denier. If you don't think he can be pres., why throw your vote away, the rest of America would like to thank you for Obama, sheesh. Contradict myself? Sorry, you are simply delusional now, alzheimers setting in? Ok, sorry, actually, I'm not, being sick of all the sanctimonious RPD's on this thread tonight.Conservatives, yeah, throwing your vote away when we're faced with the spectre of marxism, way to go.The Tea Party where I live isn't you, it's ME.I'm as conservative as anyone, but not mentally challenged enough to throw my vote away and let a bald faced marxist assume office of POTUS. You're old enough to be my grandmama? Crap, you just burst my bubble. I was starting to imagine you as a cute, sexy MILF, oh well, too bad. You sound as if senility is setting in also, ok sorry about the ad hom, kinda', just because you are a seasoned citizen(JK, OK?). Goodnight, Granny. You know what sucks the most about this entire debate tonight? We are all ON THE SAME SIDE…………………………….. Hanzo
Why ? Because he wants to increase income taxes (as some looney on here said) or because he hates taxes so much he wants to abolish the IRS?
LOL — too funny.
Tell, did GOD "save" all the people on those airplanes, in the WTC, and on the plane that was supposed to fly into the Capital ?
How did HE "save" the dead Haitians?
How about all of those who died from the Plague and in every war ever fought?
Are yoiu one of those who believes that every time you get a hangnail, GOD made that happen, Spangleless?
I've seen some interesting names for poor Dondero here…. Dopedero, Dumdero… Hey what about "doltdero"? I don't think I've seen that one yet.
I think if they start making cutesy names for you it's a sign you've hit a nerve, or won, or both.
I readily admit I don't get all this stuff about isolationism being bad but according to what I see here it is equated to being anti-defense. So in that sense I wouldn't be isolationist either. On the other hand it's not a good idea for the US to be the world police either.
In NH he's the tea!
But I think I have proven that people here have no clue what Ron Paul is about because they bash BOTH sides of the issue claiming he is on both sides of it. He's been attacked so much, from so many cliched angles, that it is impossible for him to believe both things that he is accused of.
I think Neocons assume that if you are for non-intervention you must be a big government socialist. That is SOOOOO cliche.
But the comment that made me laugh like hell was the one about the income taxes.
The man who has a sign on his desk stating that the 'government steals' and who wants to abolish the IRS wants more taxes?
You cannot argue with morons.
Isn't it entertaining to see the mere mention of his name induce Ron Paul schizophrenia from mad men like Hanzo and 1redcent who haven't a clue about WHAT he believes?
LoonyToon, Paul has done absolutely NOTHING his entire time in Congress, except be a contrarian/ cardboard cutout; his time there has been a complete, unadulterated waste…………..if getting something done/blocking something dreadful are the purpose of being a Representative, which they are !
oops. thanks for pointing that out.
George Washington=Conservative. My main man, then Bruce Lee, then Elvis
I agree with you, but our right to vote is almost sacred, we shouldn't cast it aside because we are angry, especially when faced with a bald faced marxist. In this case I'm afraid I'll have to choose the lesser of the evils. That's my viewpoint from where I stand. I have young children and I fear for their future, it's too precious to me to throw my vote away and allow a marxist to ascend to office of POTUS. I dislike being shortsighted, but. Too much to lose, my man, too much to lose
………………… Hanzo
You're saying the CIA is 100% honest trustworthy and not dealing drugs or starting wars?
maybe because I don't bag on Israel.
He votes 100% with the GOP! He votes NO on all spending, all earmarks.
He votes NO on sending money to foreign countries and NO for intrusive government.
Your 'republicans' are voting for the UN… how good is that? Traitors!
I not fan of ron paul but I am fan of alot of his supporters. they have plenty of fight in them.
And pray tell why is that a hypocrite? He'll always vote to stop the practice of earmarks… but until he can get it to stop, he will take his district's money back just like YOU will take your social security money back that you were FORCED TO PAY.
And there's the rub.. It is NOT anti-defense! Defense of the homeland is not meddling in other country's civil wars.
If your state has a war with the state next to it, do you want Germany here breaking it up? Think about that.
Defend OUR borders OUR homeland.. why aren't we?
Wow not even.
A dentist???
You people don't even know what you are arguing. Did you go to the Hanzo school of debate?
Rand is an eye doctor.
And I'd like to know sue, how does an isolationist encourage the world to do dirty dealings with dictators?
That makes no sense at all.
You people are truly schizo.
BO will not be re-elected unless he gets amnesty passed..and Prefer he waste his time pretending to fix fiengold, thus why I throw a big stink about foreign influnce a problem they can't and won't fix. remember BO won't waste a crisis and this is a crisis to the far left.
people think about today but tomorrow is already here.
democrats have already been defeated it is time to keep them occupied with something other than their cure for jobs amnesty and HC..
I wonder if these self-described Reagan guys remember him much at all.
Iraq liberated? It only cost hundred of thousands of lives to do it (Think about all the civillian casualties).
I have never been arguing for Ron Paul to be president. Where are you getting this? You don't even know what you are arguing ABOUT! You have wandered off the subject to that, when we are merely trying to ascertain where you got your wacky ideas about WHAT Ron Paul's positions even are. Tell me, which is it? He's for income tax or wiping out the IRS? Certainly he can't be for both? Only a wackjob would insist that!
Um, also I was not aware that Ron Paul was a choice in the GENERAL ELECTION????
How could someone have thrown away their vote for someone who was NOT on the ballot?
Ron Paul ran in the primary on the GOP side. He was not the winner so he was NOT on the ballot come the general election. If someone voted for him in the primary they did not throw their vote to BHO…
Once again you are arguing about unicorns. LOL
I voted for McCain… because I had no choice. It was Commie A vs Commie B and McCain was the least Commie of the two.
I am satisfied that you know nothing about anything especially not when it comes to Ron Paul and therefore it isn't worth arguing with you, because you have no idea WHAT you are even arguing about!
I'm not here to promote Ron Paul for president, but came here to expose Dondero for his obsessive vendetta against this man and the many smears and misconceptions he is planting in your young overactive minds.
Actually, she and the other barking Paulista moonbats are dumber than week old roadkill.
Paul is a Bircher and THAT is supposed to be a "good thing"? ROTFLMAOPIMP
Since when and what proof have you, Gurl, that Paul is a Bircher?
Here is a quote since you likely won't go to read the article;
"Then last week, the president made a stunning decision that signals the administration's determination to repeat the mistakes of the Great Depression.
Much like the Smoot-Hawley Tariffs that set off a global trade war and effectively doomed us to ten more years of economic misery, Obama's decision to enact steep tariffs on Chinese imported tires could spark a trade war with the single most important trading partner we have."
So, is that a yes or a no for SH??? I'd say a NO.
Amen, Johnny. There will be no true peace until the enemy has been CRUSHED. NUKE UM!!
I make it easy for them, my name is already Toon!
Sorr y, I didn't watch the Bush video. Did I profess to hold W in high esteem? Another assumption by gg.So, I guess that's a big 0 on your first attempt at an ad hom.
Did I say I thought RP likes tariff's, income taxes, is an isolationist? Hmmm..another 0 in the ad hom dept. for gg, you must be confusing me with someone else, that's ok, I understand.
Next….did I say RP likes Income Taxes? No, another 0, I'm starting to get concerned for you here, you seem to be going off the deep end."That has to be the dumbest thing I ever heard said yet", wow, just wow. Maybe you should read your post…………….
Are you sure they aren't? I know I've always seen their tent at the events I've been to.
He follows the GOP platform to the letter.. perhaps that's why the Red Republicans don't like him?
hahaha what? Ron Paul is for ABOLISHING the income tax!
Well, he is allowing YOU to post here; Gurl and you are a blithering idiot. ;^)
…………… I "can't argue what is being argued"?What have you offered, exactly, as a basis for an argument that you so sorely seem to need? You have only lied about what I said, go back and find your proof for these allegations you cast against me, grandmama.
I also own my own house, have my own business, 3 homeschooled children and a basement to boot, mold free!! You might as well not try and prove your unfounded attacks, and I'm not gonna' get angry either, I feel sorry for you.
Now go to bed, grandmama, another 16 hour day looms on the horizon for you, and I wish you many more. Fight the good fight!!
……………………………. Hanzo
Nothing, eh? What about his bill to Audit the Fed which has gained widespread support on both sides of the aisle? Is that nothing?
I don't personally think "isolationism" is a dirty word but again there's a different definition going around it seems.
I don't really have a problem with the US blowing the heck out of some country if doing so will make Americans safer. That's what a government is supposed to do: protect the citizens from foreign powers. I -don't- like the idea of sending troops all over the place to force "peace" between nations.
And… no, I wouldn't want Germany showing up because then however bad it was, it would get even worse. (Sorry germans!)
As for the borders….. I'll be honest, I'm having a difficult time resolving the fact that we send troops all over the world to rightly deal with the terrorists in their land… Yet, we don't even secure our own borders!? How are we any more secure? Something doesn't compute there.
WOOOA…… there rcon1,
I recently spent an afternoon reading up on Debra Medina. Looked pretty good on the surface,
however the deeper I dug, the more disappointed I became. She's a former aide to Ron Paul.
There is some obscure lawsuit she filed against the Rep party also. I lost interest after I dis-
covered the Paul affiliation. Her campaign initiative against property taxes is a pipe dream.
That's utter codswallop; too bad you are so full of Paulista KOOL-Aid, your brains turned to mush long ago; Gurlie.
We can replace Bernake or at least Obama can Nominate someone else or the Senate can refuse to confirm him. Just because we have put and will put people in there that do not have the stones to tell it like it is sometimes does not mean that the United States has no say in the Operation of the FED. What you also have to consider is that since the institution of the FED this country has not suffered the Monetary Chaos that existed before. It was that reason that the FED was born.
Hey Toon, your village is looking for you, they miss their idiot.
The Emporer where's no clothes!! Come on, get a grip, your fanaticism borders on hero worship here. True, I was FORCED TO PAY soc. sec. tax, RP was not forced to take earmarks, hence hypocrite. A hypocrite is one(RP) who rails against something on one hand(earmarks), yet accepts it on the other, as in this case. Got it?………………….. Hanzo
No, FDR wasn't a Communist,l though he did surround himself with card carrying ones, as well as with FELLOW TRAVELERS.
FDR did have Socialist ideas and plans.
You are truly very ignorant, Gurlie,so ignorant, that you are stupid.
Nope, Paul isn't a conservative, he's a proud LOSERTARIAN moonbat.
Um…. I wasn't really saying the truth isn't good to know…..
For me it's a good example of why a President shouldn't have too much power. I think with Bush things were "OK". (Meaning I don't think he'd suddenly start arresting citizens for no reason and throwing us all into Gitmo.) But what happens if the powers aren't revoked and we get a wonky like the One now in office? Not good.
No he isn't, he is just taking credit for something he had NO part in!
I wonder if they even have the utilities running all the time, yet? LOL!
Funny how the "conservatives" whine about a thousand dollars spent by the government as "pork" yet a trillion dollars to murder thousands and leave them off worse than they started is considered a "mission." Big government Military Industrial Complex folks – a domestic threat to our Constitution. Can they be shot on sight as such? Members of the Carlyle Group?
@Hanzo: I cannot find your comment so I took it out of my email and will respond here:
You said:
"Sorry about the dolt remark, just resonding to your own ad hominems. I changed my mind, you're not a Truther, you're a Ron Paul Denier. If you don't think he can be pres., why throw your vote away, the rest of America would like to thank you for Obama, sheesh."
Thanks. Because I hate truthers… they just muck up the real issues by wasting a lot of time. Who will ever know what happened on 911? Not us… why waste time on it? Move on and deal with the fact that socialism is taking over this country faster than we can even talk or write about it.
Please tell me once again how I threw my vote away? Are you one of those who thinks he ran on a 3rd party ticket or something? He did not, and was NOT ON THE BALLOT for the general election! How many times do I have to tell you that I could not have 'thrown my vote away to BHO'? Who was I supposed to vote for? There were two choice, BHO and McCain. I told you who I voted for and still you persist…whew.
Then you said:
"Contradict myself? Sorry, you are simply delusional now, alzheimers setting in? Ok, sorry, actually, I'm not, being sick of all the sanctimonious RPD's on this thread tonight.Conservatives, yeah, throwing your vote away when we're faced with the spectre of marxism, way to go."
Did you even read my comment before this when I asked you to please explain how I threw my vote away? Once the primary is over, there are TWO CANDIDATES. This is what makes me think you have no clue… RP ran as a GOP in the PRIMARY.. get it? You can't throw your vote away until the GENERAL and there were only two choices.
And then for the 3rd time you said:
"The Tea Party where I live isn't you, it's ME. I'm as conservative as anyone, but not mentally challenged enough to throw my vote away and let a bald faced marxist assume office of POTUS."
There you go again… #3 time: EXPLAIN HOW I THREW MY VOTE AWAY??? OR ANYONE???
"You're old enough to be my grandmama? Crap, you just burst my bubble. I was starting to imagine you as a cute, sexy MILF, oh well, too bad."
I'm that too.
But I am not here to convince you to like RP…. why would I do that? That's the past.
"You sound as if senility is setting in also, ok sorry about the ad h om, kinda', just because you are a seasoned citizen(JK, OK?). Goodnight, Granny. You know what sucks the most about this entire debate tonight? We are all ON THE SAME SIDE…………………………….. "
Now you're finally getting it. I am on your side and not here to argue RP for president! That is over and done with. But I can't let people say horrible things about a decent man like Ron Paul because they have no idea what it is he really believes. Just so you won't continue to make a fool of yourself please read the post by Michelle about what the military policy is so I don't have to repeat it.
And, Ron Paul is anti-earmarks, anti-abortion, anti-illegals, anti-fed, anti-IRS, anti-UN, and my favorite, anti-department of education!!!
That doesn't sound like like a socialist (FDR, Kucinich or any other moonbat) to me.
I dunno where the heck 1redcent is coming from… I've asked him twice now to tell me how RP would raise taxes… and so far, no links, no nothing….
Talking out of his butt I guess.
Unveiling Scott Brown – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Y2sAdDw98
Nice to read your posts, GadsdenGurl.
Ha ha ha ha…..did I touch a nerve in regards to your apparent god? I would tell you to calm down, you're making yourself look like an idiot, but that's ok, if that's what you want. You have now assumed the posture of blithering imbecile, you go grandmama. Usually one puts the ad homs in a reply, not as a lead comment.Do you think that maybe, just maybe, people see your comment and wonder what the hell is wrong with you? ha ha ha ha…you've blown a gasket. ha ha ha. Go ahead, we'll sit back and enjoy the show, don't forget to wipe the spittle of your monitor. I'm gonna' make popcorn……………………. Hanzo
Yeah, the US is losing in Afghanistan WITHOUT Russia supplying the opposition. Russia hasn't forgotten – will be funny if they supply the opposition. I don't know why they haven't already. Or China.
Taking it quite hard, aren't you? That's ok, we're enjoying the spectacle. Don't forget to say your prayers to RP tonight before you turn in……………………….. Hanzo
you people are either really smart or really stupid.
big government republicans lol
the same government that is too incompetent to run health care is going to protect you from terrorists.
roflmao
I am not here to convince people to be RP fans. Just please don't be repeating stuff that isn't true esp. about his positions on things.
Why didn't you mention me? I'm starting to feel maligned now
……………….. Hanzo
Gleam in my father's eye eh? So you're saying your 80 years old? Is that why you're so confused? LOL
Ron Paul was the author of HR 1207… he is not just 'taking credit' for something. Most of these tea partiers we get out in the streets would never have known about the Fed if not for Ron Paul and his stance on our money system which you know is totally bogus… Ron Paul would end the the IRS too. And you STILL have not admitted that you have nothing to back up your wild assumption that he is for more taxes or for Smoot-Hawley! That's a barn burner if I ever heard of one…
Did you even read the article?
Here it is in part:
TWO WEEKS AGO both the White House administration and the Federal Reserve announced with straight faces that the recession was over and the signs of economic recovery were clear, writes US congressman Dr.Ron Paul.
Then last week, the president made a stunning decision that signals the administration's determination to repeat the mistakes of the Great Depression.
Much like the Smoot-Hawley Tariffs that set off a global trade war and effectively doomed us to ten more years of economic misery, Obama's decision to enact steep tariffs on Chinese imported tires could spark a trade war with the single most important trading partner we have.
Not only does China manufacture a whole host of products that end up on American store shelves, they are also still buying our Treasury debt. And one has to wonder why this course of action is being undertaken if the administration really believes its own statements about economic recovery. Why are they still trying to fix something they have supposedly already fixed?
The most troubling thing is the rhetoric about free trade given to justify this. The administration claims it is merely enforcing trade policies and that this is necessary for free trade. This sort of double speak demonstrates a gross misunderstanding of free trade, economics and world history. Yet these are the same people the country trusts to solve our problems. This sort of thing should remove all doubt about the credibility of the decision makers in Washington.
what happened to bob dornan, R Calif? He's the first I heard speaking out against
Wes Clark & NATO's insane actions in Bosnia & Kosovo. He also gave John Mc a
pretty good drubbing on several occasions. He had worked in Congress, & didn't
seem to mind telling "stories" out of school.
China supplied the Muj against Russia, small arms and ammo. The U.S. isn't losing. You are totally clueless, totally. I guess if you were Russian Premier you'd make damn sure you'd be killing American soldiers, right? Do you even live in the U.S.? Regardless of your personal feelings on Afghanistan, to wish for American Soldiers, who are patriots, you f*cking traitor, to be harmed or killed is soooo beyond the pale, I wish you lived next door to me, you snivelling coward, there are no words to describe your ilk…………………………. Hanzo
Not hardly. And I can't find your other post, but now you are saying Ron Paul does not agree with Birchers… yet I have to defend him all the time from people who say he IS one. Which is it? I can't argue until I know what we are arguing about.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/co...
Final word? ha ha ha ha ha…………………….Hanzo
You have no class, do you? ha ha ha ha ………………………Hanzo
BTW, that's HANZO, ok?………………………………..HANZO
they are like children, when they quit misbehaving we will quit interviening (sp) . We don't
mind if they don't enjoy our presence. Our goal is not to be their bff, it is to impose order.
They must fear us, they may respect us, eventually. Life, & world diplomacy are not a pop-
ularity contest.
You've proven your point, that is if your point is you are very intolerant and your adoration of RP is complete and borders on total surrender of your cognitive abilities, as you've made an ass out of yourself here tonight. You resort to long, rambling posts that make no sense, trying to support your side while shouting down anyone who dares to question your mangod. The fact that you've become pre-occupied with me isn't complimentary, only revolting. I now imagine you as a shrivelled shrew, typing furiously away, defending RP while trying to live vicariously through him at the same time. Nothing better to do , I guess. Bye, I have to attend to my family now, I'm sorry you obviously have nothing more worthwhile to do………………Hanzo
@hanzo: You said: The Emporer wears no clothes!! Come on, get a grip, your fanaticism borders on hero worship here. True, I was FORCED TO PAY soc. sec. tax, RP was not forced to take earmarks, hence hypocrite. A hypocrite is one(RP) who rails against something on one hand(earmarks), yet accepts it on the other, as in this case. Got it?………………….. Hanzo
Ah but RP's constituents were forced to pay that money hence he took it back for them. But he would not have to if 1) they were not forced to pay it and 2) his fellow GOPers would grow some and vote NO on earmarks as he has done for the past 20 years!!!
Get it? I'm betting you won't.
I am not here to RP worship, but it's proof to me that you don't want to lose face by reading a simple article to show that what was said above is totally not true and done to rile up RP derangement syndrome by a fired employee.
Very interesting how you took my comments out of context. I didn't complain about your ad hominems, only noted them. You, however, glossed over the fact that you were the first to indulge in ad homs, interesting indeed. That's ok, I'll respond to you here, I don't feel the need to try to receive sympathy by posting as you did, I suppose you were attempting to garner support for your fragile ego? Or trying to embarrass me ? Ha ha, why should I be embarrassed? Notice I didn't post as you did? I don't care……………………..Hanzo
Mumbo Jumbo bla bla bla………"new wealth……new money"……..EITHER!!!!
The value of any commodity is what your stupid ass can scrape up to pay or barter with me
for that commodity, in order that your family doesn't STARVE TO DEATH. When this house of
cards you geniuses have built comes down, all you prospective hunter/ gatherers will be
roaming the countryside trying to beg, borrow, or STEAL anything not under lock & key.
Be Advised………We're ready for you.
You should know that Dondero was FIRED from this job and now has a permanent case of RP derangement syndrome.
At least I know what RP's beliefs and policies are and don't go fighting windmills like you do.
ex: RP wants more taxes.. bwahahahhaa that's a real barn burner!
ROTFLOL………….I was guessing, from your posts, that you are quite young; it's shocking that someone over 50, is as ignorant as you appear to be. And no, I am decades away from being 80; so both of us should stop assuming other posters' ages, I guess.
You can't be serious, not in your heart of hearts about the claim that Paul is the father of the current Tea party Movement, can you? Oh yes, I guess you are, which again proves just how ignorant you are.
Have you canvassed every single Tea Partier, in every state, or even in just New Hampshire about how and when they learned about the Fed? I bet not; yet you keep making impossibly broad statements, that just don't hold up.
Oh goody, you're yet another "fiat money" lunatic.
Were you always a LOSERTARIAN or are you just a Paulista?
Ron Paul doesn't believe in the "modern times" and all of his cockeyed ideas are throwbacks to times that never existed as he imagines they did.
I'm still waiting for proof that he is indeed a Bircher. I admit that that claim is a new one for me and I've been *cough* "debating" *cough* Paulinistas for a dozen years now and thought I'd seen it all. Evidently I haven't.
American, elected, politicians have made all mistakes from the beginning of this nation.
If Paul is so "brilliant", "right" about everything, and "effective", how come, in twenty years, he hasn't managed to get anything at all done, has never been given a committee chairmanship?
Why, since he is against them, does Paul put earmarks of his own, into House Bills?
He takes money from and runs under the GOP colors, yet he is a RINO and no, he isn't a "conservative" at all, he is a LIBERTARIAN…………which yes, is a "bad" thing! The Libertarian Party, which he was a candidate for, several times over, is a "cafeteria" party…………..taking this from the Dems, that from the GOP, and a whole LOT of crazy things from out of thin air, that are moronic and crazy.
Neither he nor you understand what "free trade" is; but then, neither does Obama.
I'd say FDR smelled better than CHE, he was CHE in a suit.
Having socialist ideas and plans is the same and therefore makes one a socialist!
Some of the things you say are just off the wall.
Another error.. he is not a libertarian. I hate libertarians. They are pro-abortion. RP is pro-life.
Libertarians are for drug legalization and RP is not.
Libertarians are for open borders.. RP is NOT.
RP ran in the primary as a GOP, he is a republican who knows how a constitutional republic is supposed to be,
I don't care if people dont like RP — that's all in the past. But when they become so deranged that they start bashing him for opposite things, it's ridiculous. When RP spoke to the Birch Society he was accuse of (gasp!) being in with the 'Birchers'. When you look at this fact to see how conservative he is, 1redcent goes into denial. That is what RP Derangement syndrome does to people I guess. It's equal opportunity hatred.
Yes, & that is exactly why paulians have had no respect from conservatives, you fold your
tent & go home if you can't set the agenda. Are paulians the reason bo was elected. How
many of you rabid paulians stayed home in the pres election?
Thanks for pointing that out. If they are going to have RP derangement syndrome at least they should get their facts straight right?
RP does not support Obama/Bush escalation. Obama = Bush in war policy because the president does not determine that. Dondero has no idea about that however, and that statement proves it.
Ron Paul, Our future President of the REAL USA, was in the Navy. The Repulicrats are just competing to see who can destroy our culture and Constitution faster. A REAL hero is one who is brave, stands for truth and higher principles in the face of ignorance and corruption. Invading sovereign countries by making up lies, starving 500,000 children in Iraq and turning our Citizens into suspected terrorists because we fly on planes is not being a Heroic American-in fact it is somewhere between a bully and a coward.
I have more class in my little finger…
And now you know why elections shouldn't be treated as popularity contests.
True article? Are these also true about the author of this article?
http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/22/ron-paul-on-9-1...
http://westanddivided.blogspot.com/2007/05/dwsuwf...
If they are, sounds like someone is grinding an ax here.
Michael Jackson? There people that were -positive- about him? I'm glad I missed that party.
Once again read the history. RP was dumping tea in the harbor in Texas in 2007 during his first money bomb.
But you didn't read the article I'm sure.
Birchers were always and still ARE nuts!
Perhaps others have claimed that RP is a Bircher; however, I never have done so nor have I ever seen anyone else make that claim.
Does he agree with Birchers about fluoridation ? If so, I've missed it.
I know that the crackpot Lew Rockwell once worked for him, but should Paul be tarred with the crazy brush, for that?
I have no adoration for RP. It is those of you who have made asses of yourselves for ranting about stuff and making silly statements while I on the other hand have posted links to back up my statements.
I still am waiting for a concession from 1redcent about the Smoot-Hawley or IRS accusation…like I said, if you are going to become deranged and hateful at least be correct. Put up or shut up.
Show me where RP said he wants tariffs or more taxes? You can't because he didn't.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn………………so he was fired; that doesn't make him wrong.
Ron Paul is a nothing, yet his drooling sycophants will say and do anything at all to prop him up, on any website and any overpass, in real life, they can find. The really funny thing about many of his supporters, is that the kids who wanted him to win the GOP presidential primaries, were far lefties! LOL
How many people did FDR shoot in the head?
How many people did FDR have tortured and/or shot?
"……………….FDR smelled better than CHE, he was CHE in a suit." is what you posted and yet you my posts "off the wall"? LOL
Gurlie, your posts are so off the wall and outragious, they are beyond what any sane person could even begin to think up; let alone post!
Or why we shouldn't allow a single president too much power. Even if he's in our own party.
I don't pick ron paul except stating he is a republican and I don't like republicans, then again I don't like democrats either. he is good on the fed and the fed needs to be investigated. all washington need investigated.
You claim to be a Ron Paul supporter and someone who worked on his campaign, yet you don't know that he is a LIBERTARIAN, ran as one in several elections, hews still to Libertarian thought, but passes himself off as a GOPer………………….only because he can't get elected as a Libertarian, and then state that you "hate Libertarians?
Now THAT is the funniest post you've put up, to date!
Ron Paul hasn't the slightest idea how a Representative Republic is to be run and that IS what we are………………….a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC.
One more time,LISTEN!! SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT , whew? Can you hear me now????………Hanzo
Yet again………YOU go read up on recent history !
It was Rick Santelli, on CNBC Business News Network, in February of '09., who began the grassroots TEA PARTY MOVEMENT!
Paul's '07 stunt was NOTHING and garnered him NO nationwide grassroots support; nor did that have anything whatsoever to do with what went on last year and this.
Paul's pathetic little money raising stunt , two years ago, only accomplished ones thing……….money flowing into his coffers.
You are really pathetic and shouldn't attempt to take credit for someone where no credit is due.
That's the same argument that's used to oppose the line item veto. It's like this…if you've got a good president, there's nothing to worry about. You put a bad one in Office, you get what you deserve. We're currently getting what we deserve. I don't like it any more than a lot of others here.
This is what you get when only 40% of the eligible voters show up to do their duty. Yes, voting is a duty. I think it might be a good idea to pass a law that fines anyone eligible to vote $5000.00 if they don't show up at the polls.It would be easy enough to track and the money could be used to reduce the deficit.
Who is spewing hatred? Never mind, you are deranged. Nobody was picking on RP. You have unusually thin skin and you don't heed your own advice, YOU are the hater, you hate anyone who questions RP, you border on insanity………………………….. Hanzo
Once again, name calling. So you are pro-UN? Then you side with the enemy my boy… sorry to hear that. The Birchers do some excellent research. Watch the video on Google "The UN Deception" if you are so worried about BHO. I don't think you are.
I didn't say he was a Bircher, I said he spoke there and right away was smeared as if it was a bad thing. I'm asking YOU if you think it makes him a Bircher, but then again you have trouble following a normal conversation it seems.
I don't know what Birchers think about flouridation but I know I don't want rat poison in my water…Dr Paul is a Doctor and so I suspect he would not recommend it either, I don't know, never discussed that with him.
Again if Lew Rockwell is a 'crackpot', why not post something of proof?
Otherwise you are just ranting with rabid RPDS and not to be taken seriously.
Not trying to prop him up and don't give a damn about that — just trying to figure out where you get some of your wacko ideas?
I mean if you love the IRS so much, SAY SO! Nothing wrong with that. But don't please go around saying RP wants income taxes… that's a lie.. Why would you want to perpetuate a lie?
Hate him if you want, but at least hate him for something he really believes, not something you made up.
Far lefties ???? I hardly think far lefties would support someone who was anti-green, anti-enviro nazism, anti-UN, pro-life, anti-illegal aliens, anti-IRS…
Once again, argue about something that makes sense. please.
Yes, the link was posted on google or somewhere, we had people coming from all over the world, it was a riot. We must have been outnumbered almost 50 to 1, seriously. The Michael Jacjson Deniers were just as adamant and delusional as the gadsden girl is about RP in their hero-worship, going out of their way to spout deranged trash and putting words into our mouth much like gg and the others here tonight, only more of them. A good time was had by all, although eventually it was tiresome, they were relentless. One interesting note~ one of the MJ fanatics said that there are people world wide who mourn him on a daily basis, over 6 months after he passed. Wow, just wow, creepy.
……………..Hanzo
Ahhh the truth comes out! You love FDR! You love Big Government! You are a socialist!!
NO WONDER YOU HATE RON PAUL~!!!!
I have closure now.. I can go to bed.
Clark made himself a DC doormat and like his buddy Kerry, thrived on getting medals. Seems like he's kept a low profile since his POTUS bid, but that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
He knows he didn't go to DC to have gov't 'do things for us'. And I like that. He's there to STOP them. Unfortunately the rest of the GOP acts like wimps and votes for all this crap… and he keeps voting no.
I don't know many Libertarians who are pro-life, anti-illegal, and pro-defense do you? I hate libertarians because well, they are just liberals in sheeps' clothing!
RP never calls himself a libertarian… there again you are going by what someone else has said about him.
were the peeps Sadam & Sons torturing / murdering civilians? Got numbers?
Are you serious? We were tea partying long before that and had 10,000 people on the green in DC — before Rick Santelli said a word.
I guess you should stop watching MSNBC because they sorta kinda left that little bit of news out of their programmin huh?
Not to mention $6M in one day… now THAT was a tea party! Are you jealous? We don't raise money, but that is the history of the tea parties. Read it and weep.. And we are still here doing it, some people never heard of Santelli.
Technically, I've never even been to a polling station. (Absentee voter.) I mean, waiting in lines? Eew!
Now if they had a ride at the end that would be something….
Seriously though… I think it's wise to plan for the very real reality that a bad president can get into office. The low voter turnout is a problem but I think stands as a sort of testament to the condition of the nation. Namely, it's asleep. Though, perhaps not as much as previously. The Tea Parties are good sign of hope.
Nobody knows history of RP like the good folks in the state of NH… and they wrote it up as it happened.
http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2009/11/21...
You either have extremely poor reading comprehension skills, or you're just an idiot.
Long ago, on this thread, I said that I have hated the UN for a very long time. Actually, to put a date on it, I have scorned the UN, understood what an utter disaster it was, and have spoken out against it since the age of 10…………which I admit was rather precocious, but it happens to be true.
You said that he was a Bircher, or else I wouldn't have replied to that as I did. Obviously
you not only don't know what I'ves posted, but have no idea what you have posted. And I asked that YOU supply me with info re his being a Bircher, as I hadn't ever heard nor read that he was/is one; but then, you have no idea that he is a LIBERTARIAN, so……………………………………………………………………….
Oh, you don't know what Birchers have had to say about fluoride for about the past 1/2 century? You truly are an extremely ignorant person. I suggest that you refrain from posting, especially here, due to your appalling, astonishingly abject lack of knowledge.
Obviously you don't know anything at all about Lew Rockwell. I suggest that you find outy about him and his on line site as well; post haste.
This pathetic back and forth is rapidly becoming something akin to me attempting to discuss a multiplication with someone who doesn't know how to add. LOL
I "love the IRS" now?
Oh for crying out loud……………..you really have lost it;. BIG TIME!
I'm sitting here laughing my socks off at you. ;^)
Um… wow. That would have weirded me out for sure. And…. mourning? Daily??? :-O
It just goes to show you, no matter how strange and crazy you think it is online… it always gets crazier.
Well that's nice. I'm glad you hate the UN. They have ruined our country without even firing a shot.
As for whether RP was a Bircher, I posted a LINK to a speech he gave to them and then I asked YOU if you thought that made him a Bircher as apparently some did. Did you realize I asked you that? I figured since they have RPDS and so do you, that you also might go off on that too.. I don't know. I'm ASKING. You seem to go off on anything that he does, because even if it's something you like you turn it into something you hate because it's RP… that is why we call it RPDS. If you hate the UN, why would you hate the good work the Birchers do to expose them?
AS for the flouride, I don't need anyone to tell me it's poison..if the Birchers think so too, that's nice.
Lew Rockwell is my friend so please watch your tongue.
I dunno, you are describing yourself.
Like I said, anything about RP is bad according to you, even if you agree with it.
This folks is a true case of RPDS.
I guess that you never saw some of his supporters being interviewed, nor just shown on T.V. and am now assuming and probably rightly, that you have absolutely NO idea what they said, how they acted, nor what they did.
It's incredible that you are either so ill informed or dense.
I am and have been arguing about things which make sense; sadly, I'm forced to do it with an ignoramus.
MY ONE BIG question…………Have R Paul supporters realized / accepted he is not a viable candidate &
whom will you support in the future?
When will you quit expending so much energy defending his honor, & begin to search for another?
The truth is that I loathe FDR, always have done. As a matter of fact, I was just talking about him, this very evening, with a group of like minded people and all of us ( since unlike you, we know and understand factual history ) were verbally tearing him an d his Socialist polices to shreds.
But DO go to bed, Gurlie, you need your rest and need to stop making baseless, libelous, limpid assumptions about those who know far more than you ever shall. ;^)
Excellent post Michelle. What is a DOVE? I cannot see RP doing nothing if attacked. I'd be afraid really… he is always and has been for strong defense. He wouldn't be caught dead with some of the people Obama surrounds himself with. Neither Reagan nor Bush campaigned on pre-emptive war and nation building.
Who said these words?
"I don't think it's the role of the United States to go into a country and say we do it this way so should you. Somalia started off as a humanitarian mission and ended up being nation-building mission.. that's where we went wrong. If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation buildling mission then we're going to have a serious problem…"
How Soon They Forget!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc
If this doesn't tell you that once they get elected they are controlled by someone else, then you sirs are hopeless.
And since when does the press ever focus on the normal supporters? Have you not seen CNN take one person out of a group of 1.7M and focus on them as if they represented everyone? I
I'm still waiting and hoping for something that proves what you said about RP wanting more income taxes. TOTALLY ABSURD!
Oh goody….you believe that fluoride, which you can't even spell correctly, is "poison" and you are real life ( you do mean in real life, don'/t you ? ) is your friend. That's all anyone needs to know about you!
I haven't once described myself, whilst describing you; not once. LOL
You are beyond hope and beyond help; though I would heartily suggest that you get some……………….in several different and distinct areas.
I don't haves RPDS; OTOH, you need to loosen those RP kneepads and wipe the drool from your chin/s. You are a TRUE BELIEVER of the worst kind and I doubt that you will ever take those blinkers off, nor make yourself learn the truth about anything, if it ever disagrees with your delusions.
Well, you know the old adage~*Truth is stranger than fiction*. In this case, verrrrrrrrry strange, indeed, downright unbelievable. See ya' around
>>>>>>>Hanzo<<<<<<<
Hmmmmmmmmm…………..so FNC lies and doesn't show all sides, now?
You are just some old biddy of a drooling sycophant and please note the beginning of that word.
I have no idea… he is not running again that I know of. And I have not been doing anything except the regular grassroots stuff (you know like DEFENDING HOMESCHOOLER"S RIGHTS) and of course, continuing the tea parties that started in '07.
I'm not "searching" for anyone and have no clue who I would want for president against Baby Doc Barack…unlike some of you, I do not look upon a candidate as a savior. I think RP is a good honest man and I'm just trying to understand this RPDS and why people have their ideas so mixed up about what his positions were!! It's appalling.
I guess when someone is the most conservative person in the race, the detractors will repeat lies… and it's amazing to me I guess that so many are so confused about him. I mean how can someone think he's for taxes when he campaigned against the IRS???
It's just baffling that's the only attraction I have to the argument. I'm not arguing for another candidacy, have not even talked to him in a about 6 months.
If you want to know what his other former supporters think you'll have to ask them.. it's not talked about.
So don't mistake my discussion here for anything more than it is… a repudiation of Dondero's crazy ideas.
@RWynn: Well don't get your hopes up… I don't think the good doctor wants to take all the abuse from the likes of the idiots you see here by running again… I mean.. they can't even get their derangement right! I certainly would not encourage him to run again.. no good deed goes unpunished you know? I think he contributed a lot, educated people about the UN, the IRS, the FED, the puppet gov… he did well. I can see it in the tea partiers… they are mainstreamers who are starting to get it. They want the UN out of their schools too…
"But it is notable that voters of one of the most dove-ish of states, chose to side forthrightly with the candidate of the Bush foreign policy agenda, over Obama/Paul."
You are grouping Obama with Paul? Obama who doubled the size of our forces in Afghanistan last year?
Obama who is waging a 3rd front on this war in Yemin?
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Yes I admit when I type fast I make typos…. and I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I don't have to worry about it because I have my own water.
I did say Lew Rockwell is my friend so please watch your tongue. You are the one who brought him up. I guess he's a victim of RPDS too — anyone who knows RP will be trashed.
I am not a true believer in anything… I just think that RP's candidacy was very educational and thus beneficial because it started these people on the path to resistance which they had neglected for so long.
The left has always organized and now they are taking a page from that book. This is a good thing.
And you have RP to thank for it. BE a man and admit it won't you?
Jealous of what and of whom? You lost it long ago and should seek mental health services, ASAP !
Oh, there was a RonPaul Tea Party and not just a TEA PARTY , in D.C. prior to February of '09, with people there who weren't Paulites? REALLY? And they actually got something done, other than drooling over Paul's every word? A full TEN THOUSAND strong, were they?
AND NOBODY CARED AND THEY ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING AND NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS MIRACULOUS VISITATION, SO WHAT GOOD DID IT DO; PRAY TELL ? LOL
I have NEVER watched MSNBC, haven't watched network news in more than a decade, don't watch CNN, unless it is on some public place I happen to be and even then, pay it no mind.
Would you like to keep on making patently ridiculous statements about me, or do you think it's about time for you to stop making a complete and utter idiot out of yourself? I suggest the latter, since you are batting 1,000 in the error side of things;Gurlie. And aren't you far to old to be calling yourself a misspelled ( and before you go into another abysmally silly tirade, yes, I gedt why you misspelled it ) girl?
Were you born, raised, and schooled in New Hampshire?
I know, well, quite a few lovely people from that state ( not a one of them a liberal, Dem, nor barking moonbat ) and you certainly are not representative of that state.
There are many tens of thousands ( if not more ) Tea Partiers who don't know that Ron Paul is supposedly the originator ( sic ) of the movement they have so completely joined and who would recoil at the thought of that……….if it wered true, which it isn'
t !
I'm no one's sycophant believe me. I'm too busy doing and producing to be anything like that, and, you still have not proven that RP wants income taxes, the dumbest thing said on this board tonight.
Yes FNC did not show the 10,000 marchers but again, if you knew how to use a computer I suppose you could look it up no?
Or are you one of those that says you did not see it so it must not have happened?
Here you go, I did your homework for you. Here is the first DC tea party… you're welcome!
http://www.revolutionmarch.com/
Lew Rockwell is nuts! I wouldn't go around saying that I even knew him, let alone that he is a friend, if I were you. His reputation isn't what you would care to be associated with………………………………but then, I guess it is, as far as you are concerned. His hot and heavy extramarital affair, with a FAR LEFTY, apparently doesn't mean anything to you. Oh well, each to his/her own.
You're not a "TRUE BELIEVER"? Oh come now, hjust look at the holur and all of the relies you've made tro this thread! If EVER there was a a "TRUE BELIEVER"………………..it is you; or you're just lonely, an attention seeker, or GOD only knows WHAT else you suffer from.
You imagine that this is the very first time that Americans on the right, or even moderates ( yes, there are moderates and even Dem TEA PARTIERS ) have ever risen up?
Why do you keep proving how ignorant you are?
Only your "beloved" Paul could have awakened the masses? Miss your Thorazine today?
You have given me more laughs than you;ll ever know, though I am sorry about that, as it is impolite to laugh at the deranged, ignorant, and foolish.
The more the U.S. government sat at home and did nothing the better! That's my dream.
Ron Paul hates Israel. Israel is the front line against Islam terrorists.
Still can't show me where this income tax support is I see…
As the story says, it started in '07, and continued into '08. We were doing it before Rick's rant. Rick picked up on it because RP was on that channel all the time.
More than a decade? Wow how old are you, 17?
I guess they know the origin of it if they were alive in 2007…. were you?
I think they are not so petty as to CARE who started the tea parties, that's the whole point. You are so petty that you are arguing about thing that don't exist….
So we're supposed to stop fighting communism with the teapartiers because it was RP supporters who first did it? Wow… no wonder the commies are taking us over.
You produce hot air and erroneous assumption; nolt to mention outrageous lies. 1/2 truths, and drool cup talking points. Oh yes, you've been quite the "busy" gurl, for a middle aged woman, who doesn't realize what a fool she's made of herself for hours on end.
FNC didn't show any RON PAUL "TEA PARTY" , in Washington D.C., call it the beginning of the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, and it wasn't.
If you knew how to use a computer, then you would know far more than you do, which sadly, appears to be almost nothing of factual history ( yes, yes, there are a lot of errors, on all topics, on line; but there are some true facts to be found thereon ) nor much else. Pity that…………………………
*Yawnnnnnn*~ don't feed the troll…………………….Hanzo
Not talking to you.. talking to 1redcent and his IRS and Smoot-Hawley nonsense. Notice he's backed off and can't provide me with a single shred of evidence that RP ever said he supported that stuff?
Tell me where do people get these wackadoodle ideas?
No, my salad days are behind me;l I'm not 17; not am I 80.
OTOH, for a middle aged woman, you post like a 15 year old; one in the slow class at school.
I doubt that Rick got his idea from Paul; you just want Paul to have the credit for something he doesn't deserve to, is all. And you claim to not be a sycophant…………………………..you poor, poor thing.
Was I alive in '07?
The better query would be……………………when was it, exactly that you lost your mind ?
"PETTY" ? It is and has been you, you, you, YOU who has beat the dust of long dead horses, as to your dear leader, Ron Paul's being the father of the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT, ad nauseum. LOL
This is the funniest comedy sketch, on line, ever!
Lew Rockwell is nuts? And based on what? I'm an information seeker and again you haven't told me what gave you the wackadoodle idea that RP supports income taxes or tariffs! And frankly I can't find a thing anyplace to indicate he ever did. I did not say Americans have never risen up, merely said that this conservative resurgence and awakening started in '07 during the RP campaign. And frankly, many people are starting to see that RP was right, who did NOT support him before… they've learned a lot from him.
Did you run out of names to call me or will you have to consult your thesaurus for more? LOL Frankly this is the first time I've argued with anyone about RP on the web in two years. We thought we'd been rid of Dondero but he is so obsessed that he has to come here and bash RP… then all you other RPDS people started saying dumb things that didn't make sense..
Hey if you ever get proof of your outlandish claims, shoot me an email won't you? I'd love to hear where RP said those two things.
Two things… that's all.. and you can't back them up.
Um so now you are saying you did NOT accuse RP of wanting more income taxes and Smoot-Hawley? Or did I read that wrong? Please explain?
Honey child I'm far more than middle aged… I'm old aged. I guess I have made a fool of myself, for hours on end, trying to get you to prove two things you said, because it should have been clear to me the MOMENT you said them that you had no proof and NEVER WOULD! I guess a girl can hope can't she? MY BAD!!!!
FNC did not show it, they did a little censoring of their own..if you recall the outrage over it but yet, hmmm, but yet, there it is right on youtube just as I said it would be.
If you ever come up with the proof of those statements, zap me an email…inquiring minds like to know.
Oh is THAT what you thought? Why are you so worried that someone might want to give him credit? I don't give a crap if RP gets 'credit' and I'm sure neither does he. I'm just saying what I was doing in '07 is all. History is history whether FNC taped it or not. And because RP is a financial guy, he's on that channel a lot and Rick got the idea from him… no biggie.. I'm still wanting that proof though, you know those two things you said?
What is funny is your assumption that I'm trying to get credit for something or promote something when I'm just curious to find out where you get your wackadoodle ideas.. but apparantly you pulled them out of your butt because you cannot point me to the evidence.
I didn't think so………..
I just went to Google and typed in 'Ron Paul wants an income tax' and here is what I came up with…. please note that last item won't you? Now don't you feel like a damned fool?
Positions:
Balance the budget by reducing spending
Change our foreign policy to that of non-intervention
A full audit and more supervision of the Federal Reserve leading to abolishing the Federal Reserve
Legalize competition to the Federal Reserve with competing currencies
Regain respect for civil liberties and privacy while reigning in the CIA
Wean ourselves off the dependence of wealth transfers by government
Abolish crony capitalism: no subsidies, no bailouts, no regulatory or tax privileges to protect the powerful elite, especially the military-industrial complex
and….. DRUMROLL…
Eliminate the income tax, inheritance tax and taxes on savings and dividends.
Child molester?! What?!!? You have no idea what you are talking about.
You said chicken hawk, which means someone who preys on children. What I *think* you meant was WAR HAWK. RIGHT?
Don't you just love how they misuse that word? It's so ridiculous.. It's WAR HAWK.
Once again these people don't know how to argue….
Sorry but RP is not running in '12…. please stop looking to one person for a savior.. but try to educate everyone about what is really going on in this world.
So what? I would have voted NO as well.
So why did every single republican sign on to audit the fed and eventually get rid of it? Where in the constitution does it say a private bank shall print our money?
Isn't it amazing? here is a man who delivered minority babies for FREE and now he's a white supremacist? Wow let's get the kitchen sink and throw it… here's a real case of RPDS.
Which liberatarian are you talking about ? RP is a GOPer.
From "NoMoMoney's" original post:
"Get off the ego trip people. If you want to fight get up and go fight. Sign up and fly right over there."
This is the "chicken hawk" argument commonly used by leftists, in response to those who believe it best to fight terrorists on their own turf, rather than our soil. In essence, it's the puerile argument that if you support defense (if you are a hawk), you should enlist. If you don't enlist, you are a coward (chicken).
Didn't make your case too well – you even brought up the UN.
Hanzo, your total ignorance of what Ron Pauls positions are just feed into the non-sequitor of an article that Dumbdero wrote. Scott Brown has nothing to do with Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is much more conservative than fake patriot and 'progressive' John McCain, who I bet you voted for.
How would you like it if Texas and Calif. were fighting and Germany came over to intervene?
Ron Paul was the ONLY real republican in the presidential race.
He is completely ANTI-COMMUNIST.
FDR and LaRouche proves you are hoodwinked by impostors like Dumbdero.
Exactly! We defend their borders but NOT OUR OWN? Dumbero's false categorization of Paul as someone who is a socialist is so he could try to take his seat from him. Where is Breitbart in letting this guy write on here. Doesn't Andy have standards? Geesh.
Paul == the most conservative constitutional anti-big anti-world gov't republican (small r) in Congress today.
stop it..
people don't want truth
they want you to agree with their brand of slavery
sue you are as dumb as Eric… sad.
Defense in Europe.
I want to know why the good people of NH raised their hand to Climate Change Fraud.
McCain won NH primary because he raised his hand so the good people in NH could smug they are saving the planet. I liked Fred Thompson, he is not hand raiser to fraud
NH environmentalism aside; Ron Paul will be too old to run in 2012. Moveorg.org already
Exactly.
I love President Reagan, exceptional leader, and I recognize he was FIGHTING the Cold War in Europe however when he ignored the bombing in Beirut Lebanon, this allowed Islamic Jihadist to emboldened their quest.
Ronulans, the Islamic Jihad war against the West did not begin in 2001 under GWB.
As a matter of fact it is a very old war simply waged on a new stage.
I wonder if Ron Paul knows how an why America's Navy was created?
Also, do you know the basics of Austrian Economics? Do you know who founded it? Just curious!
Ha ha, good one.satire,right?……………………..Hanzo
It's okay, I try to avoid spelling flames unless the typo is amusing.
Thanks. Isolationism generally refers to ECONOMIC ISSUES and Ron Paul is for trading with peaceful cooperative countries and not with combative ones. Dondero doesn't even know his own FORMER BOSSES policies.
Since I traveled a state with Paul during the campaign I should know what Paul believes. He is a solid conservative…Once again, I did support Brown because it is at least a blow for big gov't health care.
I think if Andy can tear himself away from the GAME he will read this thread and toss Dumbdero off of here.
Too old? Says you. We need somebody like Ron Paul badly. I truely hope that he will run and I will give him all of my support and money. When he becomes president perhaps, we can get rid of the Dpt. of Education which obviously didn't teach you a damned thing!
I guess it is the only way he can get attention.
Pray tell what is a Ron Paul denier? The person who started the r3volution in NH is GOP 100%
hanzo..
is the sacred wine clouding your brain.
And I should take advice from you…why? The mere fact that you are ga ga over Ron Paul is cause enough for me to dismiss any advice you might offer.
This opinion is a crock…. Coakley is lock step with Obama and Obama is continuing the Bush foreign policy. This is just a weak attempt to rally Libertarians with the Progressives. Too late. Libertarians have studied the History the Progressives so cleverly kept out of the public schools. The game is up.
Really? Who needs a champion like Ron Paul? A man who is for individual liberties and freedom. Non-intervention. Constitutionalist. Sound money. Ending the Federal Reserve (central bank). Restoring the constitution which has been ignored by the very people who swore to uphold it. Smal government. Ending the income tax. Ending the Dept. of Education. All of the alphabet agencies. A man who votes based on the constitution even if he votes alone.
Who could possible be for a man who believes in these things? Me.
"Republicans are making a mistake in diminishing and marginalizing Ron Paul. Conservatives and dare I say tea partiers agree with him on probably 90% of the issues"
Dumbdero and Hanzo are not republicans, they are confused.
Ron Paul people started the tea parties and continue them to this day.
That doesn't mean we don't vote for the lesser of two evils when we have to.
Brown was a COUP in a state like Mass that was in the clutches of the Kennedy crime syndicate for 47 years.
The Mosques in Va., N.Y., and many other states have proved to be far more dangerous to America.
I think we can generally agree that anyone (like HANZO?) who doesn't understand the simplest fact that FDR was a big government entitlement progressive who spent money and created government programs and takeovers is the COMPLETE diametric opposite to Ron Paul who HATES BIG GOVT, has no business arguing politics with anyone because he is the one who is the COMPLETE dolt.
ron paul is a government party member and thus I don't support him or any government party member.
In the early days of tea and 912 I would have agreed with your statement they were our best hope, but those days are gone. I will stick with the angry voter group.
what is a conservative?
my hero is george
and spoke against political parties
George Washington could have been king instead led a nation of freedom
Eric,
The declaration was to protect Life, Liberty and and the pursuit of happiness. The Pursuit of happiness replaced property. Property was the orignal intent.The slavery issue was the reason. If you come on my property univited with weapons you are gone. Why do arabs have less rights than you? Lets get off their property. We have been on it for 100 years univited. MY 5 year old could understand this. These are basic Laws of humanity. Ron Paul is right!
If you hit someone and kill their family, they will hate you and probably hit you back in the future. That’s what blowback is all about.
Our military is spread thin all across the planet, yet we remain involved in dangerous power plays that unnecessarily put the lives of our soldiers at risk. And we brazenly squandered the wealth of our nation as if there were no tomorrow. It doesn’t make any sense unless you consider increasing the profits of the military-industrial complex to be in the “national interest”, no matter what the cost to the rest of us may be.
America first. That is what Ron Paul’s national defense proposal is all about. And with America he means all Americans, not just the elite.
Here in Orlando, Florida, my "Paulian" friends (about 8 in a liberty club) and I all voted for McCain without exception.
Republicans lost that election because they nominated John McCain, not because of Ron Paul.
Ron Paul did not start the tea parties. Ron Paul started a pro-liberty campaign for himself for President of the United States of America. And more power to him.
The Tea Parties are a spontaneous grass-roots reaction to the policies of this administration, and shouldn't be misrepresented as anything otherwise.
I don't get this column at all. Was Ron Paul or anyone representing his views running in the MA Senate race? Was foreign policy a major issue in the MA Senate race? Dondero is just a disgruntled former Ron Paul staffer who has been on a one-man, creepy, stalkerish mission over the past couple of years to destroy Ron Paul.
Why should Republicans celebrate a "victory" for Bush's foreign policy in the first place? Prior to Bush, conservatism was inherently "isolationist" (if by "isolationist" you mean an unwillingness to get dragged into stupid wars). While Bush left our borders wide open to terrorist, he took us to war in Iraq, which wasted hundreds of billions of dollars, resulted in the Democratic take-over of Congress and the White House, and has done nothing for our security. Thanks a lot Bush.
Nope, Paul does NOT vote 110% of the time with the GOP. Obviously, you haven't a clue what Paul's record is.
You are ignorant and shouldn't throw around the word "traitor" so cavalierly.
And as far as the UN is concerne3d, I've been against them before you were ever a gleam in your father's eye, so don't even think about tarring me with that broad brush; gurlie.
it's time folks learn the difference between isolationism and non interventionism, especially the author of this article.
isolationism(quite the opposite of non interventionism) is a policy of protectionism, tariffs, berlin walls and a lack of diplomacy etc.
non interventionism is the policy of avoiding entangling alliances and aggressive wars while maintaining diplomatic relations and commerce with other nations.
it's safe to say martha coakley was campaigning with isolationist rhetoric, but to call ron paul an isolationist seriously shows a lack of philosophical intellect.
the Bush administration was looking for any excuse it could to go into Iraq. 'faulty intelligence' was just a poor alibi. the administration steered the 'evidence' because they wanted to invade.
I was being sarcastic.
But I do agree with both of his points, completely.
……….and you let them escape?
Thats a shame.
The so called "Ron Paul isolationism" that the writer mentions with disdain is exactly what made this nation great and the lack of it is what's destroying it.
Moreover,the isolationism movement (the return to our founding priciples) didn't have a candidate running who espoused those philosophies,so that's like saying "the advocates for free apple pies for everyone lost this race".
Morons.
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By your logic if a black person thinks that Zionists have too much control then that person is a white supremacist. Next!
Go read what Paul has said in the past regarding tariffs and while you're at it, rfead what he has to say about tax cuts…………….he's against them for the citizenry.
Did we or did we not fight in THE GULF WAR?
Was there or was there not a peace treaty signed by Saddam?
The answer to both questions is yes.
When a Peace Treaty is broken ( and yes, Saddam broke it many times over ) then a state of war exists, between the original combatants. That is a fact.
The country elected Obama to bring the troops home.
What does Odumba do? Doubles the number of troops.
If we what to fight the war, Bush was a better president..
Obama is an idiot!
Bring the Troops home – you are a moron!
My point is that you never answer the question that is put to you, never provide proof for your this way and that way statements, and thus you have shown you are simply throwing everything you can against the walls to see what sticks…
I could care less right now about RP or whether anyone likes him or not… but I am at loss to wonder how someone would argue that they don't like him because he's 'for taxes' when he's said to get rid of the IRS.
That is why I have to dismiss it as RP derangement syndrome. It makes no sense, it's just pure hatred for hatred's sake… nothing more.
It's not based on anything in reality.
This was an election against Obamacare………………………. Period ……..Ron Paul is against anything that the government is for ………………Why? because the governmet is against us………………….Period
"Bob," are you and "ryan rabalais" one and the same? I've got to tell you, attaching the name of your business, http://www.apexsolarsystems.com/ , to rants about Zionists having too much power is poor judgment. Consider; if you are right, "they" are on to you now! Who knows what "they" will do with "they're" excessive power. If you're wrong, well, who wants to do business with a paranoid crank you blathers on about Zionists having too much power?
That said, your logic is flawed. It's a matter of simple set theory:
Let us designate, as a subset of anti-Semites, KKK members. Let's call that set….um…I don't know… K.
Let us further designate, as another subset of anti-Semites, observant members of Farrakhan's club, the Nation of Islam. We'll call that set F, in honor of its chief frootloop.
Now, it should be obvious these two sets are disjoint. That is, their intersection is the null set, as there are no white footloops, and no black members of Robert Byrd's club. Consequently, a statement of relation for one set does not imply an identical relation with the other set.
Now, as stated earlier, both K and F are subsets of anti-Semites. Being disjoint, though, does not mean that any relation with these two set will be the same, for although they are subsets of a larger set, they're union is null. A statement may be true for both, or it may not.
For example, sets K and F are members of the set of racist rubes.
However, while F is a member of the set of starched white collar and bow tie fetishists, I'd guess very very few of set K even know how to tie a bow tie.
So clearly, the fact that nearly all white supremacists are anti-Semites (or anti-Zionists, if you prefer), does not preclude racist blacks from also being anti-Semites, even though klansmen can't tie bow ties.
Hope that clears that up!
Ron Paul has been spread thin just like our military. If you were the only one ouy of 529 that kisses the constitution at bedtime like him you would be too. It's hard to be a hero. The only issue is "is it constitutional…………………
Not a God… not at all.. But if you are going to have RPDS, please at least get whatever it is that has you spewing hatred correct.
Sorry, you're incorrect. Dick Army and Newt Gingrich hijacked and co-opted the Tea Party movement.
Ron Paul Tea Party: December 17, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGB8BeUWtwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvGS12EoZUE
We will quit defending his honor when people like Donders stop ASSAULTING IT.
And hello, the 2008 election cycle is OVER. Which one of the Paul supporters in this thread have been even talking about it? None!
MY candidate is Dr. Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul, running for Senate in Kentucky. http://www.randpaul2010.com check him out!
The biggest reason for Browns victory was that Americans don,t want to be dictated to by black nationist and left wing crazy Jews.It very simple the both groups hate white America and until they are succesful and getting enough minorities in this country then they will just have to play by the rules.God help our kids with the immigration of all these anti white groups.The funny thing about it is that these groups hate the Jews and they hate the blacks.So they may be successful at there own demise.
Actually they wanted to go to the National Tea Party convention, but weren't allowed a booth. So much for an open Tea Party for everyone.
Thanks Old Vet for writing what I was thinking… I didn't get the sense that National Security was the big issue in this race… It was Domestic Policy and the "Health Care Reforms" that people were responding to.
that's ridiculous!!!
Ryan, the Bush Adm did not LIE about WMD's. They were "set up" by George Tenent CIA chief, & former
aide to Tip O'Neil. By the way, how does a Dem Senators' aide get appointed head of the CIA?
Why does Ron Paul encourage trade with Iran?
Hi "Tom." Or is it "bob?" Or maybe it's Ryan Rabalais? It's so hard to tell your type apart, sometimes.
It didn't take long for the white power contingent of Ron Paul's constituency to reveal itself.
I think reasonable people can disagree on Foreign Policy and I personally disagree with this article. I understand the threat of the radical Salafi/Wahabi militants abroad. They are not going to be destroyed or disabled by marching our Military around the world to police the globe. For one it will bankrupt us (and very well might) and two we need to think differently about how to fight them. Occupying and violating the sovereignty of nations is going to have the opposite effect we think it will. this is not to say that our policy is without its good intentions. But, perpetual war is the health of the state. If anyone has read "1984", this would be a no brainer. Those like Bin Laden have said from their own mouth that they want to bankrupt us and it seems like it's working. Our military and national defense's role is not to keep us safe and secure. It's to keep us free and to ensure we have liberty. Perpetual war will drain our economy and treasury unless we are ready to think realistically and differently while still honoring the Constitution, specifically Article I Section 8 (enumerated powers).
Well said. Unfortunately, this will not be recognized by the neocons here whose eyes are glazed over and just parrot more war-for-Israel propaganda. Perhaps they are the ones that need to be rounded up – they are working for OBL to bankrupt this nation.
Well that's nice dearie but anyone who has to name drop to prove he's not a socialist is suspect in my book.
The only truth I have posted here about YOU is that you are attacking someone on no basis in fact. Attack hiim if you will, but please, attack him for something that is TRUE?
Attack him because he's not a nation-builder. Call him every name in the book, but please don't say stupid things that make you look like you're in the 5th grade.. like 'ron paul wants income taxes, ron paul wants smoot-hawley days back'.
Because as anyone with google who can use a computer knows, you are wrong.
What a load of tripe this article is. Brown was elected to balance against Obama's domestic policy. It's really sad that so many Americans can't seem to differentiate between isolationism and nonintervention.
Ron Paul wants open free trade to all countries. What is more isolating than to go into a country and tell the people there how to live and who their elected leaders will be, all by coercion? We've been interfering in this way in the Middle East for almost 60 years. If anyone thinks we can support puppet dictators and tyrannical regimes in Muslim countries like we have been for almost 60 years and not face any blowback, then I have nice shiny new bridge in New York I'd like to sell you.
Our foreign policy is called "Wilsonian" for a reason and has remained unchanged for almost 100 years now. Everyone always seems to forget that, before G.H.W. Bush, it was always Progressive Democrats that were getting the country involved in foreign wars and entanglements. Did foreign intervention just suddenly stop being Progressive? The ideology of "making the world safe for democracy" has nothing to do with conservatism; that is, unless you want to acknowledge Woodrow Wilson as a conservative. Do anyone here want to acknowledge Woodrow Wilson as a conservative? Neocons can advocate our foreign policy if they want, but it is inaccurate and disingenuous to call it conservative. It is not remotely conservative. Nor is it "unpatriotic" to question our government's motivations for going to war. How is it unpatriotic want to preserve the life and wealth of our country?
How would we feel if another foreign government like China were doing the same things to us? When (not if) China surpasses us in economic and military hegemonic power will they automatically have the right to open military bases on our soil and conduct operations? We would be outraged! We might even be willing to blow ourselves up or fight to the death to drive them out. What if Russia wanted to install a missile defense shield in Mexico as a protective barrier for their alli Venezuela? Again, we would be outraged. Yet whenever our government does something in the name of "national security" we automatically assume that we are on the side of righteousness and if it is seen as provocative to anyone else or just pisses them off, well that's too bad for them.
One can also not make the argument that liberals are anti-war anymore. Now that their guy is in office they seem to be all for it. And while we're at it, could anyone specifically tell me how foreign policy has changed so much from Bush to Obama? Sure the rhetoric is different, but Obama ran on different rhetoric than McCain to get elected. What about the actual policy? The only real example I can think of is the civilian trial of the pantybomber, which, despite the politics involved, is actually the Constitutional position because the "war on terror" is a vague and nebulous idea (not government vs. government which is the definition of a war) and the terrorist is not technically a POW. Besides this Gitmo is still open, troops are still in Iraq with no sign of withdrawal, Afganistan is escalating, the war is expanding into Pakistan and possibly Yemen, and sanctions (which are an act of war in of themselves) on Iran are also a possibility . What would Bush or McCain have done that was so different? Obama is more of a third term of Bush than anyone could have imagined.
As a constitutional conservative I must say that people like the author of this article, Rush, Hannity, O'Reily, Palin, Levin, Bortz, Gingrich, Pence, Romney, Huckabee, etc definitely do not speak for me. The lot of them offer no intellectual honesty or gentility to any of the arguments put before us. All of them mostly resort to talking over people and name calling. I thought such was just liberal shtick? I guess not. It just tells me that they are afraid that their arguments are weak. I would much rather listen to the likes Rep. Walter Jones, Ron Paul, Thomas Woods, and Andrew Napolitano.
You are such a disgusting , monumental LIAR. You are also truly unbalanced, and a jackass to boot. Once again, show me where I said any of those things you attributed to me about RP. You can't, LIAR, because I never said them. Funny how you go against the grain to respond directly on the board, instead of via my comments. You have no class and I'm sure everyone took notice.Just because you say that you have class dosen't make it so.I'm not going to get into the rest of the lies and mischaracterisations of my comments you made. I don't have to, you've marginalised yourself as a lunatic, deranged, hero-worshipping, verbose, bitter shrew who LIES and takes everything out of context. Nice job, I'm sure you've won over hearts and minds with your dross verbiage and LIES. Have a nice day……………………………..Hanzo
Scott Brown is definitely a Hawk on foreign policy and fighting terror. If only our Constitution weren’t a casualty:
http://www.goldmassgroup.com/diary/17/scott-brown...
You are obviously another deluded moonbat then. Your hero(in the form of GG) is a liar of monumental proportions. She spewed nothing but lies in her attempt to malign myself. I challenge you also, go back in the comments nade between the two of us, GG and Hanzo, try to help her out by finding, anywhere, where I actually said the things she attributed to me. The ONLY remark I made about RP's policies was that I AGREED with hie economic positions. Did you get that?She didn't do a great job on this thread, she only marginalised herself and other RP followers by making you all appear to be lunatic fringe fanatics. I'm just saying, go to bed with dogs, wake up with fleas. It would appear you should find out the facts before you cast your "love" to a LIAR. Just sayin'………………Hanzo
Uhh, sue, go back and read my comment, try to figure it out. When you start posting moonbatty crap like CIA-Zioist controlled EMPIRE, you have just marginalised yourself. Try to make your point while maintaining a semblance of sanity, that's all………………. Hanzo
RP's point is that earmarks are a Red Herring. The money is already budgeted. If it is not earmarked it will still be spent; probably by the Executive Branch. The only difference is we won't know what it will be spent on. If anything, we should demand MORE earmarks for transparency in spending. Imagine if all of the TARP or Stimulus money had been earmarked. We'd know exactly where it went.
Besides this, darmarks amount to about .5% of the Federal budget. When people like McLame rail against earmarks it is empty rhetoric to make you think they are doing something and they care about you and your wallet, which they don't.
No. They don't. Even Bin Laden says it's because of our involvement in their countries and our blind partiality to Israel, but I guess it's too much to ask of you to actually examine facts and records.
I'm afraid the world would be a far different place if we had lived by that philosophy.
Our bravest, most heroic and honorable generation was born from those battlefields in Europe. The American pride that I have is in direct relation to what those men proudly suffered through to defeat genocide.
Could you imagine if our memory of that generation was one of watching innocent people die in slavery to Hitler while we simply said, "the Russians and the Brits could deal with him"?
All that and much more handsome than Obama
Define "NEOCON" It's okay, you can look it up. I'm pretty sure you don't even know what your saying.
Here, I'll help:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_...
The reason is simple. When you trade with a country the PEOPLE benefit and unite against an oppressive regime. On the flip side, when you place economic sanctions on a country, the people are worse off because of you and unite against you, thus benefiting the regime. This is exactly what happened to Germany in the aftermath of WW1. Europe and the US placed harsh economic sanctions on Germany and the people were so bad off that they elected a guy with a funny mustache who promised the world to them. Sound familiar? And yet the establishment on both sides of the isle seems to believe that if we just starve countries like Iran the people will love us and overthrow dictatorial regimes. It doesn't work.
The continued mismanagement in government and the rigged two party system that smashes independent thinking and candidates will bring the change through internal collapse.
Voting in more establishment candidates will fix nothing.
You obviously have no grasp of history, like others of like mind, you let someone else form and elucidate your "opinions"(and they are just that, no facts involved) for you. Study history, know your adversary. The question of Muslim vs. Christian predates anything you've addressed in your comments. Sorry I don't have time to give you a lesson in History of Islam and the Muslim People 101, but, if you wish, I can point you in the right direction. Don't let others shape the way you think. Nobody……………………….Hanzo
@Hanzo don't get your water hot… I cannot find the thread because when I click on it in the email your post doesn't come up because this is not the best commenting system. Perhaps you are confusing my comments directed at 1redcent…. in any case I am no hero worshipper, I'm a committee of one and well respected for what I do for my people. I don't need validation from people who can't even get their stories and proof straight on some comment board.
Your question was how does someone throw their vote away in a primary, which you have yet to answer but I am not holding my breath. I'm too busy to argue with idiots.. LOL
I never realised the level of delusionary derangement, coupled with outright fanaticism and hero-worship the RP moonbats have for their esteemed leader. What is it about this man that could raise the ire of these lunatics to such a frenzied, frantic pitch? This type of obsession with all things RP borders on, if not delves directly into, clinical diagnosis of psychotic paranoia, in that there is a RP basher behind every corner. Fascinating, indeed. How pathetic, also…………………. Hanzo
Yeah, nice post. She just talked in one big circle and contradicted herself the entire way. The only thing she proved was her sophmoric, blind allegiance to RP. You are a major moron anyway, not surprised you'd agree with her, birds of a feather flock together, and you're all cuckoo. You don't have a sentient bone in your body……….Hanzo
Oooh profits. Bad.
Were is that real world that you speak of?
Dondero! Seriously? Your site diminishes itself considerably by giving a platform to this lowlife joke who has been laughed off of so many other boards. If you are going to give up space on this site to mentally unbalanced fascists then I won't be coming back. I guess this is BIG government.com.
Check the records, China has Iraq's oil contracts and America is still stuck on Obamarama Ronulan stupid.
We went into Iraq, we messed up a country who had no terrorists at the time. All the radicals were coming out of Egypt and Saudi Arabia. We lost many of our own troops. We have trillions in debt because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And the threat of terrorism has not changed a bit. All we did is spend way out of our means and now we have enormous debt and even larger future debt in entitlement programs and it is looking more and more impossible to get out of that debt without radical cuts in government and taxes like Dr. Paul suggests.
So how did Bush get it right?
Name drop? You're accusing ME of "NAME DROPPING", when YOU are the one claiming Lew OUT OF HIS TEENSY MIND Rockwell and I haven't mentioned a single person I know in real life, by name?
It appears that you have a problem understanding and using the simplest words in the English language.
Your hysterics are treatable…………………………get some help and soon.
Your obsession with guessing my age is pretty funny. Wanna tgry another guess?
You have the gall to talk about the "truth" and facts, when you slavishly support Paul, a Libertarian through and through, but clearly stated that, and I quote you, "i hate libertarians" ?
A few years back Lew Rockwell, the well known LIBERTARIAN ( you know, the group of people you claim to hate, but two of whom you have an obsessive sycophantic relationship with, bordering on religious ectsasy ), had a sexual, adulterous relationship with.
Why doesn't this upset you? I mean…………………….crazy Cindy Sheehan, the Hugo Chavez loving, Code Pink supported, far lefty nutjob and Lew Rockwell ? If THAT doesn't make him nuts, I don't know what "nuts" means to you.
But he's your "friend", so he can do no wrong…………is that it?
Have you ever read Lew's web site/forum? Oh…………..never mind, I bet you have done, post to it, and agree with all of the insanity posted to it.
And as far as "SAINT" Paul goes, I have come to realize that I could post stuff until one of us dies and you would agree with everything your plaster "saint" says and/or writes and you wouldn't once find anything wrong with any of it, so there's no point for me to do so.
If there was a "conservative resurgence" in '07, why did Obama get elected? Oh I know…………………..it's better for you and your ilk, that Obama be president, than for someone not pure enough, in the GOP, to win. If your "dear leader" can't be president, then you'd rather have the likes of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid run this nation over the cliff.
Okay, I was trying to be kind…………so you're just a crazy OLD bat, with a lousy memory ( claiming the big TEA PARTY in D.C., which had NOTHING whatsoever to do with Ron Paul, as Ron Paul's march/gathering has me laughing again ! ), and no sense at all.
There's no help for you, but at least you have exposed yourself, here, for just what and who you are. ;^)
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn…………………………………………………………
Well, my typo is pretty funny and I took no unbrage with your clever post.
I have no obsession with anyone. I have not even talked about RP or his campaign or positions for at least TWO YEARS up until yesterday when I saw Dondero surface again with his ridiculous claims that Brown's election was about 'Obama/Paul' war policy. Obama and Paul do not even HAVE the same policy! Obama = Bush in war policy, I think we've seen that.
Right now I'm simply wanting to know why you think RP is for income taxes and why you won't clarify the reason for your misguided belief? Or that he is for tariffs? Surely if that was out there you could come up with ONE link? I've asked you every time and yet you completely ignore the question.
As for LR, I have no idea what he does in his personal life and have no proof he had an affair with anyone.
Once again you are not paying attention — I never voted in such a way that would have helped Obama whom I despise for his one-world communist policies and willful destruction of the country.
But hey, that is another falsehood you are perpetuating… please stop it.
I'm too busy and not monitoring these posts anymore so I won't see your answers.. I've given up on trying to find out where you got your information that causes you to believe Ron Paul is not for eradicating the IRS, a very popular idea with the mainstream now I might add!!!
Like I said, no hero worship, just happy Dr P educated people.
There you go again. I NEVER claimed the 9/12/09 gathering in DC was "Ron Paul's"! I said, and showed you a photo of, the one he had in '08 where 10-20K people marched in DC, as in a tea party! Why do you put words in my mouth? Your reading comprehension is zilch.
I think you are the one who has exposed yourself — making claims you can't back up, claims that everyone would disagree with, even those who didn't support RP but at least can READ… namely that he is for MORE income taxes, and tariffs…. Those claims are what have people laughing at YOU budski.
Ron Paul = End the IRS, End the Fed, END TAXES. I think that's a FACT the whole world knows, except you…
And your continued ad hominems don't add much to your cred either….
That my friends, is how a coward explains away his nonsensical rantings even after being given proof that what he said was off the wall.. cover your eyes and ears…
What a joke you are.
Your own words ( posts ) prove what you have just said/posted, a lie.
Why don't you know about your BBF, Lew Rockwell and his adulterous affair with crazy Cindy Sheehan ? It was common knowledge several years ago. And no, the liberal MSM didn't play it up and I doubt that they even cared.
Even more to the point, Lew is a Libertarian, as is Ron Paul; the very people you claim to HATE.
Come on, you can't expect me for questioning your intellect, given these two salient points.
Oh that's rich………you are the pathetic, drooling sycophant, obsessed lunatic, yet you're calling me names?
Apparently you are incapable of letting this go, which only makes you look even more out of your teensy widdle mind.
Go back to posting on lewrockwell.com ; you'll be much happier there.
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be lying ABOUT? I was responding to something YOU SAID that you will not provide any proof for at all.
Everything I SAID, can be backed up.
I'm questioning YOUR intellect for not explaining your statements but I think by now readers can see that you have no proof to back up your claims.
And you can try to hijack the thread and turn it into something about LR to make people divert attention from that, but frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
I know what happened in 07 and 08 and 09 and who did what, it's all over the web… and can't be denied.
I have never posted on LR's site… thank you very much.
You are incapable of validating the nutty stuff you've blurted out about RP and taxes.. which anyone, ANYONE knows is not true.
People who vote in primaries do not 'throw away th