The Constitution Matters: It Means What It Says
by Danny TarkanianThe Constitution and the Second Amendment are in the spotlight this week on two fronts. First is that oral arguments are being held in the McDonald v Chicago case to possibly apply the holding in Heller to the states.

In addition, Senators are beginning their evaluation of the judicial nomination of Berkeley professor Goodwin Liu to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in a vote that will tell a great deal about Senator Reid’s adherence to Constitutional principles such as those specified in the Second Amendment.
Senator Reid has a terrible record on judicial nominees to the U.S. Supreme Court. In DC v Heller, there were four dissenters from the holding that the right to bear arms is an individual right. Harry Reid had a chance to vote on three and he voted for each one – Breyer, Souter and Ginsburg. Harry Reid has a chance to vote on four of the majority justices, and he voted against three of them – Thomas, Alito and Roberts. If Harry Reid had been successful in defeating any of these three, Heller would have been in jeopardy. That’s six out of seven bad votes on the Supreme Court.
Four of those bad votes were cast in his very first term, when my primary opponent Sue Lowden was his loyal contributor.
There will be hearings on professor Liu, but I am specifically interested in a particular book he co-authored on jurisprudence entitled “Keeping Faith with the Constitution.”
Ominously, early in its text, the book contains an statement that lacks credibility in our current context. Liu writes:
“Throughout our history, political leaders have taken seriously their sworn duty to uphold the Constitution.”
Unfortunately, that is something that isn’t true today. We are experiencing a historic time when entire industries are propped up by government seemingly arbitrarily and secretly picking winners and losers. Some industries are in danger of socialization, such as health care.
In “Keeping Faith,” Liu attempts – unconvincingly in my opinion – to argue that there is some middle ground between judicial activism and a judicial philosophy of attempting to interpret the Constitution with deference to original intent.. Ironically, he calls the middle ground “constitutional fidelity.” As if the title makes it true.
Liu writes:
“We use the term constitutional fidelity to describe this approach. To be faithful to the Constitution is to interpret its words and to apply its principles in ways that sustain their vitality over time. Fidelity to the Constitution requires judges to ask not how its general principles would have been applied in 1789 or 1868, but rather how those principles should be applied today in order to preserve their power and meaning in light of the concerns, conditions, and evolving norms of our society. In this book, we develop a different approach to interpretation that respects the endurance of our written Constitution and explains how its text and principles retain their authority and legitimacy over decades and centuries.”
Professor Liu’s constitutional fidelity philosophy seems to be rooted in the idea that proper interpretation of our constitution requires a continual updating of its meaning for the purpose of achieving ‘authority’ and ‘legitimacy.’ That’s sort of like changing your children’s bedtime so they don’t question your ‘authority’ and ‘legitimacy’ as a parent. Establishing your legitimacy and authority is a function of sticking to your rules. In government, it is moving those rules without legislative action that leads to illegitimacy and eventually, tyranny.
Professor Liu continues:
“Preserving the document’s meaning and its democratic legitimacy requires us to interpret it in light of the conditions and challenges faced by succeeding generations.”
Again, I could not disagree more. If each generation gets to re-write our Constitution based on the challenges they face, then which generation is in charge in any given point in our society? My generation, or my father’s generation? Which generation’s interpretation is to determine how our society is to be governed? That sounds like a political decision to be settled by elections and legislative debate – not the unelected judiciary.
The underlying current of Liu’s text is that there is very little enduring about the Constitution, rather a generational redefinition that continually changes. I disagree – I believe that Justices must strive to identify the original intent in the United States’ founding document as specifically that part which is most enduring.
Why? Because as Constitutional conservatives, we see America as a country of destiny, just as in our faiths we sense a destination for ourselves – we sense something fixed and tangible and which is good. We don’t run from our destination, rather as people we seek to discern it and chase it down. There are things that endure in this world. There is right and there is wrong – and there is truth.
In the Bill of Rights, these enduring truths are made explicit. There are certain God-given inalienable rights that are enumerated, such as the right to free speech and to assemble, and the right to bear arms in self-defense and against tyranny.
Having established his “generational test,” Liu goes on to explain the historic Second Amendment rights decision Heller as itself a product of judicial “interest-balancing.” This is his most troubling reasoning – one that sets up Heller for eventual reversal.
In his analysis, Liu first acknowledges the Constitutional debate in Heller:
“The majority read “the right of the people” to refer to a right possessed by individuals acting on their own, akin to the Fourth Amendment “right of the people to be secure . . . against unreasonable searches and seizures.” And it read the phrase “keep and bear Arms” to refer generally to the possession and use of weapons, including for hunting and individual self-defense.
“The dissenters, by contrast, read “the right of the people” to protect individuals engaged in collective action through participation in the militia, akin to the First Amendment “right of the people peaceably to assemble,” which also protects a collective activity. And it construed “keep and bear Arms” as a reference to military use of weapons.”
But after a discussion of the court’s supposed “receptiveness” to other gun laws – laws which were not squarely under review – Liu retreats to a new position. He argues that the majority decision was really just a balancing of modern day societal interests.
Although the majority and the dissenters ultimately disagree on the validity of the District of Columbia handgun ban, the difference between the two sides is not that one engages in interest balancing while the other does not. It is that one side does so “explicitly”
Professor Liu essentially puts the essential holding in the case – that the right to bear arms is an individual right – on a moving ice floe and pushes it out to sea at the mercy of societal tides. He knows exactly what he is doing as he does so. He is setting it up for reversal.
This is just one example from his book. If you read it all, you will see that Liu’s text repeatedly seeks to degrade judicial philosophies of restraint, in an attempt to give license to judicial activism, by saying essentially “everyone does it.” Even the majority in Heller.
As a candidate for U.S. Senate, I would take this sort of writing into account in my questioning of any judicial nominee. I look forward to hearing what professor Liu has to say at his confirmation hearings. Absent a confirmation hearing that essentially reverses the premise of this writing in defense of judicial activism, I would certainly expect Senator Reid to protect the Constitution and to vote no on this nomination.






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Thank You for saying what so many in the Marx stream media are afraid to say out loud Danny, I hope you kick 'prince Harry's' butt in November!
Good work Danny, I'm pulling for you. When will the judicial elites realize that a constitutional republic operates based on the rules and the rules are not negotiable unless the ammendment process is undertaken? The ammendment process is cumbersome by design and those rules were put in place to protect the people from the tyranny of the many. It is unfortunate that the tyranny of the bench is actively chipping away at our protections.
"We The People"……..
Now if I can understand it, and you can understand it, why can't our elected officials in Washington, DC and mainstreet understand it? It appears it is time for a recall, and that pertains to more than just automobiles.
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the Constitution means much to most but very little to others…
Those that call themselves Progressives. To them it is a speedbump in the way to totalitarianism. They may claim Utopia- we see no difference. It is the execrable claim- made by Algore amongst others- that it is somehow 'a living breathing document' subject to interpretation.
And revision. By the likes of Mr Global Warming himself, Gore. If that doesn't scare you you don't scare easily.
What it is is a set of rules- ageed upon- that fix the game so we all know what we can- and can't do. This ain't a Democracy, folks- Madison and Hamilton agreed that was a bad way to go.
Tyranny of the majority, they said.
This is Constitutional Republic with limited suffrage. Meaning there isn't an inherent 'right' to vote. That was added by- guess who- Progressives- later on. The one thing the framers feared was allowing elected officials to play fast and loose with the rules. That's why they enumerated ALL rights not expressly granted the government- to the states.
(contd.)
Obama calls it a 'negative' document. Says it tells government what it CAN'T do, bot what it 'should do'.
Brilliant men, they were…
If the Constitution must be changed, then so be it, The Founders and Original Framers understood the possible need for that and provided a vehicle to do that very thing. The Court was not that vehicle. The Amendment process is. Those who seek control understand that they have zero chance of amending the Second Amendment away so they don't even try. Instead, they seek to nuance, borderline legislate and judicially skirt the obvious.
''… those principles should be applied today . . . in light of the . . . evolving norms of our society…''
~ Goodwin Liu – nominee to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ~
Interpretation of law based on evolving norms? I really hate progressives.
GOOD LUCK in your senate race Mr. Tarkanian, we need you in DC.
Respect for the Constitution and general public is lacking in those who know better, if not of the american communist party, they follow that ideolgy that people are sheep and need led since most are stupid and should not be allowed to decide on issues.
I believe Liu testified in opposition to Justice Alito's appointment during Senate hearings. That should tell you quite a bit about his view of how the Constitution, in particular, and law, in general, are interpreted.
Big surprise that this guy is up for nomination to the 9th “Circus”. Just solidifies its position as the most overturned Circuit in the nation.
"If each generation gets to re-write our Constitution based on the challenges they face, then which generation is in charge in any given point in our society?"
And of course, if it really does need rewritten, there is an amendment procedure in place to allow that to happen, and it doesn't involve the courts. They are usurping separation of powers, and they of all people should know better.
Related satire: Historians Discover Lost Letter from James Madison to Thomas Jefferson (click image to enlarge) http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/02/historians-di...
I guess that falls right in line with what we do know about BO – much like a 2 year old, he doesn't like being told NO…
Those like BO et al who have such an issue with the Constitution are like the Catholic 'lites' who cherry pick what works for them out of the Bible.
This crap makes me sick and I sincerely hope Danny defeats the weasel reid ~
Great work Danny. Keep it up.
The thing that is killing me these days is our representatives, that swear to protect and uphold our Constitution, blantantly ignoring it. The words were chose for a reason. The founders didn't just throw this together like a college paper after a night of partying. This took long deliberation, arguments and agreements in order to achieve the wording that is present in the Constitution. The words should be interpreted literally. "Congress shall pass no laws that infringe", "All powers not enumerated in this document are subject to the states and the people". This is not a hard concept.
With that being said, if our representatives are "misinterpreting" our Constitution, they are either too stupid to hold office, too progressive or too corrupt to hold office. Some are all three (i.e. Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, etc.).
Makes me SICK!!!! These people are SWORN in to uphold the US Constitution and Bill of Rights yet once they get in there they start shredding it! How do these people sleep at night?
it should make you sick- you're a smart and engaged person. And Reid will get his rear end handed to him…
The block heads in DC and their corrupt leeches throughout the US do not understand that the Bill of Rights and Constitution are LAW. They through their actions and at times words have clearly demonstrated that it is just an old out dated piece of paper. They have no respect for it and blatantly write Amendments to bend the rules in their opinion. They are 'amending' us to death, a little bit here a little bit there and before you know over time they have nullified it!
How is it that 535ish people can be so full of themselves and think they are above the law? How is it a nation of 300+million can let a fractional group get away with murder EVERYDAY? Looking at the headlines today I ask myself what is it going to take to get people to WAKE THE HELL UP? Are people so involved with their personal lives that they don't read or hear the news? Are they too busy with American Idol and Family Guy with the "this is America that won't happen here" mentality or worst off they are aware yet have the " 'they' won't let that happen here this is America" idea. I have said it repeatedly most on here know this but that person or whomever the brainless caught up with themselves deniers that will do something IS YOU!!! So when American Idol is censored or Family Guy is taken off the air is that when people will wake up? Will it happen after the Healthcare system is taken over and the zombies are at the doctors /hospital with their kid waiting 3 times longer for help that they will wake up and say "what the heck is going on"?
If it gets that far it will be too late.
Folks you have to be more active you have to get out there and take action, civil within the rule of law but the tactics over the last year aren't working! I'm sorry to say it and I got taken apart several days ago on the Tea Party in Chicago post for dishing out some tough love. Fact of the matter is they are still full speed with this radical change for America and you need to ask yourself a serious question… Patriots I ask what are you prepared to do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F452KybPEnQ ? This is the question you must seriously ask yourself and your family!
Don't play their game… STOP and play your game through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Ever hear of the Exclusionary Rule? It's an ever evolving rule born of the 'times' and how said times effect the 4th and 5th amendments – go read about it and perhaps you will gain an understanding how those dedicated to upholding the Constitution understand that the 'times' have nothing to do with the intent of our Founding Fathers – nice try Bo.
The list of breach of the Constitution is beyond comprehension. The ultimate breach has been the unwillingness of the predominate majority to adhere to the eligibility requirements for POTUS under the U.S. Constitution. Once the people accept usurpation, which it is apparent they have, you have established acceptance for all breach past, present and future. With breach, there is lawlessness. This is the society that is now the USA-Titanic. There are those that are complicit, there are those that are in denial, and there are those that are dimwit clueless, as to the catastrophic outcomes that are to follow USURPER POTUS, beginning with lawlessness, and ending with???
How can people sit silent involving an newly elected president taking action on his very first day as POTUS to initiate, sign, and put into action an Executive Order that specifically STOPS access to his entire life prior to his first day in office? A dominate confirmation of evolved fascist systems is fraudulent election, thus, any GAG ORDER should be at the very least questioned, and under the U.S. Constitution, it should be CHALLENGED IN THE COURTS. In conclusion…what constitution, does it even exist in the USA to this date?
Show me anywhere in the Constitution where it states that it's "purpose is to reflect societal norms". That is nothing more than Progressive psychobabble BS. The Constitution enumerates bedrock Rights and principles. It "reflects" our Nation's love of Freedom and Opportunity.
You are obviously just one more MF'er that We The People are going to have to deal with. Take a number. Someone will be with you shortly!
Maybe because the framers intended the guidelines to be general enough to apply to a wide range of circumstances, both present and future. Still, the language itself is simple and clear.
The problem with your line of reasoning on rights is that there are at least two different definitions of "right" in today's society and one of them is based on an entitlement mentality.
Progressives have infiltrated our public schools with the intention of raising a generation of easily led people. That is where the progressive movement started in this country and I believe that is where we need to start as well.
Hah! That is a good one.
That is funny Looking, made me laugh!
Take a number – I like it
It might mean what it says but their is not a progressive alive that likes that.
Snip "..in ways that sustain their vitality over time."
Apparently Liu and the rest of the progressive dim-wits have never heard of the amendment process. The founder put in out's for us if we really needed to change things.
Heck you can convene a convention if you think the whole things is flawed. They are not interested in "updating" the constitution to deal with modern problems, they are interested in doing end runs around the will of the people for their own benefit.
This must somehow be addressed so that these insane leftist can no longer make these asinine arguments with a straight face (though I am not sure how they do so now for that matter)
They do, and it scares the shi't out of them
Physicians and schools are both a source, why else would my kids be asked if there were guns in the home with the excuse of public education, while giving the attitude that guns are bad and kill.
The Constitution has the ability to be a living and breathing document, it's called the amendment process.
"The Militia Act of 1792, Passed May 8, 1792, providing federal standards for the organization of the Militia.
An ACT more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States.
I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes."
These are our founders definitions and expectations of what a militia is and what the requirements of each individual citizen was as it pertains to the term "militia." Our Founding Fathers expected every US citizens to keep arms in order to bear them as a militia. Case Closed.
I hope CONgress collectively poops their pants.
HLB, good post. Good question.
Societal norms have nothing to do with the Bill of Rights or the constitution. It is simple to understand. If there is a societal need to change it we have the ammendment process. Otherwise it stands as is.
The courts DO NOT interpret what rights are left to us (the people)! ALL rights are left to us! The constitution is supposed to LIMIT the government, not limit us. Our politicians have become too gready and power hungry and in the process have hung us (and our constitution) out to dry. Our government has become unconstitutional and anyone who stands up to it is an extremist. This should SCARE you.
progressive/liberal hate list…
Old people
Gun owners
Conservatives
Religious people
Independent women
Big business owners
Small business owners
Those who are pro-life
Those who are pro-choice, if they choose life
Those who don't like ACORN
Those who respect the Constitution
Those who THINK for themselves
People who actually EARN a living
Very badly, very soon.
The Constitution Matters: It Means What It Says by Danny Tarkanian: Great, Great, Great article!
However, I just heard that Judge Roberts was stepping down! So, hello! This may well be the end of our Republic!
This is scary stuff! The Progressives (Marxist) are in control and they will only appoint another progressive to that seat! That means that even the Supreme Court will have an "unconstitutional" judge on it! Progressives are Marxist and if Marxist are being given authority in our government, that is Treason! It's that simple! Think about it, being a progressive(Marxist) is unconstitutional and I don't here a peep! Again, that's scary! That's power! But then, this is Satan's world still, isn't it?
BO is still smarting from the licking he got from Grandma, when she caught him in the attic pleasuring himself to the National Geographics. That was his first serious NO.
"In DC v Heller, there were four dissenters from the holding that the right to bear arms is an individual right."
What, again? Yeah, a lot of our national press said so – but actually, ALL NINE JUSTICES found the 2nd Anendment to be an acknowledgement of an individual right which the Government must respect. The dissentng mostly was on scope.
Hardly.
They actually asked your kids that? Oh my God, it sounds like something that could only happen in China or the USSR where kids were encouraged to rat out their parents. Equilibrium here come.
If You Have any Doubt About the Results of Gun Control…
The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929.
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Turkey established gun control in 1911.
From 1915 to 1917, over 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938.
From 1939 to 1945, a total of over 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, over 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, about 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
More…
http://usataxpayer.org/?0079012351
Dr. Thomas Sowell on Intellectuals
http://usataxpayer.org/?0028068146
If You Have any Doubt About the Results of Gun Control…
The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929.
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Turkey established gun control in 1911.
From 1915 to 1917, over 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938.
From 1939 to 1945, a total of over 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, over 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, about 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
More…
http://usataxpayer.org/?0079012351
Dr. Thomas Sowell on Intellectuals
http://usataxpayer.org/?0028068146
If You Have any Doubt About the Results of Gun Control…
The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929.
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Turkey established gun control in 1911.
From 1915 to 1917, over 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938.
From 1939 to 1945, a total of over 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, over 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, about 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
More…
http://usataxpayer.org/?0079012351
Dr. Thomas Sowell on Intellectuals
http://usataxpayer.org/?0028068146
Since when is it the Supreme Court’s job to interpret the Constitution? The document is written in plain English. When a representative takes the oath to defend and uphold the Constitution does the court step in and interpret it for that person? Hell no! The job of the Supreme Court is to test any new laws against the Constitution, to make sure they are legal and valid. Not to interpret it in some new way to meet an agenda or the trend of the day. When Thomas Jefferson stated;”No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms”, it doesn’t mean unless some stupid city government decides differently, or unless the current tyrants on the Supreme Court decide differently than what is written in the law of the land. The founding fathers were quite clear on this issue. You need to have a gun in order to keep your government in check or the government will use its guns to keep you in check(enslavement).
The constitution is essentially a list of rules. As such, it shouldn't be open to "re-interpretation" unless the amendment process is followed. Think what would happen if kids were able to "re-interpret" from day to day the rules parents impose on them. Rules wouldn't exist at all.
That's precisely why we're in this mess. The folks in our government behave like insubordinate children who attempt to rewrite the rules so they can do whatever they want. It's time we punish them.
Well, big boy with little brain, will you kindly explain to me who the Founding Fathers would apply a law to a situation that did not exist 220 years ago. Oh, and I bet you really got a rise in you Levis to publish a threat. Hmmm. So you plan to go out and waste a few people that just so happen to disagree with you. So much for the rule of law.
9 robed unelected justices once declared that whatever they say goes – and so it has been ever since.
Oh, you mean the rule pronounced by our Supreme Court in Mapp v. Ohio about 100 years ago that keeps out illegally seized evidence? Well, that rule has more holes in it now than swiss cheese. Thank you for proving my point that the law changes over time to reflect our society.
My kids' doctor asked me if there were guns in our home. Of course he got a "You Betcha"!
You have not seen the modern Heroin Hot line encouraging kids to turn family members in.
Really, societal norms have nothing to do with it? Then who is going to judge what rights were guaranteed to the people under the 9th Amendment? Where does it say under the 5th and 6th Amendment that if you can not afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you and the questioning must stop in a police interrogation if you request an attorney? What were these decisions based upon if it was not societal norms?
Hello AJ. How have you been?
If you consider that a threat, you: #1- have never been properly threatened and #2 know nothing of the law or the English language.
Furthermore, I do not make threats. I rarely even make promises, but I do state facts. That you will eventually be dealt with is a foregone conclusion in my mind. It's only a matter of time before your smart-assed mouth writes a check that your ass can't cash. It will most likely happen sooner rather than later if "societal norms" keep trending as they are.
Do us all a favor and return to your mother's basement.
Really, now. It was not a threat? I bet you think MFers stands for Merry Farmers.
No, the problem with your version is you never learned something you did not agree with.
Too funny! And very true. They just never give up, do they? ROFL!
Then press charges, asshole. See if you can get ANYONE to go along with you. I double dog dare you! Ha Ha!
You are right. However, where are your Miranda rights found in your Constitution and what is the legal basis for this right? You have the right to free speech under the !st Amendment, but where does it say you can not yell fire in a crowded theatre? The Constitution guarantees you the right to counsel, but where does it say one will be appointed for you if you can not afford it?
Excuse me, but what words have I twisted? As far as fixing up this country, I hope you know what a derivative is because Georgie Boy sure as heck did not.
I see. At least we know what you are. A liar with a little brain who goes off when challenged.
So what do you think about doing this?
DRAFT: Resolution Requiring Political Candidates to Complete a Standardized Constitutional Literacy Test.
http://www.redstate.com/ericathunderpaws/2010/03/...
(Actually, the test would be optional, but anyone who refused to do would probably pay a price at the polling booth)
Blame the Federal involvement in public education. I still remember my public school teacher telling me, "the constitution is a living and breathing document that will change and evolve over time along with society and that's what gives it its endurance."
Even then I realized that a law that could change its meaning depending on the year you look at it is no kind of law I'd want to be subjected to.
Also, I really believe that folks like Harry and Nancy, when they swear to defend and protect the constitution, they are actually swearing to defend the physical document as it sits on display and not the principles expressed in it.
To me the constitution is just an old piece of paper. However, the words written on it… the principles it espouses, designed to preserve individual liberty, are what I would die for; but would prefer much more to kill for.
If you are elected, just know that we wouldn’t be bothered if you didn’t pass one bit of new legislation as long as you repeal a whole bunch.
Every single element of our government was designed so some idiot couldn't rile up the masses with insipid chants of "yes we can" and "hope and change" and as Obama himself said, "fundamentally change the United States of America."
Filibustering, and checks upon checks and balances, was designed to slow everything down and reflect upon the founding principles.
Well said, Mr. Tarkanian! Best of luck to you!
Let’s say that today with about 80% of the population self identifying as conservative, the social norm became punching a leftist in the mouth every time they opened their trap? Would you like that "societal norm"(what ever that is… maybe the mythical "people" know…) to bleed itself into the interpretation of the law? Is it the judges’ duty to first identify the underlying social norm and THEN apply it to the law?
A law that changes with society isn't a law it's a whim.
Derivative? Is that like when you take a collectivist and chop his head off after you torture him so he don't have to go through life wearing a colostomy bag?
(q) husker "It then states, these rights are reserved to the people. Since these rights are left to the people, who decides what these rights are? Obviously, the courts" (/Q)
are you sure it doesn't reserve the right to decide to the states, and the people, because thats what the ninth amendment says? ( in your accurate quote of the 9th amendment)
liberal logic boggles the mind.
what is obvious to even a cursory study of amendments #9 and #10 is that they were written as LIMITATION on the authority of the judicial branch of government. the court only has constitutional authority when it is ruling in context of what is plainly written in the constitution.
its sad that the Court is allowed to continually violates there authority, under the cover of fools such as yourself that will willingly excuse and enable such Judaical tyranny to advance your unpopular social causes.
They are Miranda "warnings" about your rights, not a right into and of itself; the basis of miranda is based on the 5th as are the other related issues you mention. I don’t think it holds water because it was not the original intent to try and talk someone out of confessing if they wanted to.
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you make the same fallacious argument i here over and over again, progressives seem to confuse technology, with society. the INTERNET, telecommunications, and TV, radio, e-books and music downloads ARE technology. not mentioned in constitution, but covered by the constitution when it is read in context. "Freedom of the press" copyrights and pattens, petitions and Assemblies of people, the peoples privet personal papers and correspondences etc etc. were generic terms for any way by which public, and privet information is secured, exchanged, or preserved, and its the free secure flow of information BY ANY MEANS that is protected)
judicial activism, bad ideas backed by willful ignorance of the English language.
that would be state Assembly's, or the people by intuitive or petition,
but i think you once again draw a false comparison here, i believe that decision was based on the ensuring a fair, lawful trial, under the Th and 6th, and that decision is compatible with English common law, by which leagal matters are adjudicated under the constitution, and it was made to limit the abuse of a defendant by an overreaching government, (and once again, not because of a social change, but because of an abuse of legitimate legal process by the government.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
It says nothing about which courts get to decide.
Nor are the 9th and 10th Amendments a limitation on the authority of the judicial branch. The limitation you suggest is inherent in the basic appellate function of the courts, that being that they can only rule on what is brought before them, and not issue pre-emptive rulings on laws as they are authorized.
Judicial review in and of itself is an essential element for an independent judiciary, as clearly set forth in The Federalist.
I think a lot of the issues on this matter are caused by the usurpation of language.
As Thinking_Man noted in a post, the Constitution is a living document – via the amendment process. However that concept has been usurped to suggest that it can and should be subject to ad hoc reinterpretations according to current political needs.
Likewise the concept of the Constitution being subject to "re-interpretation". What the Constitution must be subject to always is interpretation. Yes, that sounds horrible, because of semantic hijacking. Consider however the recent ruling on campaign financing. The Supreme Court had to step up and "interpret" the 1st Amendment to tell us that in fact those limits on campaign spending were unconstitutional. Without that ability, the law could only have been repealed, it could never have been challenged in the courts. Does anybody really want that?
Where in the Constitution does it state someone must be "warned" of their rights against self-incrimination, of your right to counsel, including the right to free counsel and that the interrogation must end, if you ask for an attorney. Where does it say in the Constitution that slander, libel or falsely shouting fire is not protected?
Boy, do you need to go to law school. If we adjudicated our criminal courts based upon English common law, you would be guilty, until proven innocent.
I see. All persons who by chance disagree with you get to have their neck broken and tortured.
I see. So who will decide what rights the Founding Fathers were talking about, if it is not the courts. In the back of my mind, the phrase Marbury v. Madison keeps ringing a bell.
Or, simply put – anyone who doesn't think like they do. Oops, sorry, I intimated that liberals actually think and reason. It's like living in a subdivision with a HOA – every house and yard must look the same. No individuality allowed, nothing outside of the defined "norm" allowed…..It's an easy life if one does not want to decide what kind of grass to plant, what kind of plants to put in their flowerbeds, what color fence to erect……The HOA rules decide for everyone, therefore, no real thought is needed……
Hmmmm, written by Danny Tarkanian who received an 'F' from the NRA because he was supported by the
Brady Law people who where trying to ban hand guns……this was during Danny's run for Sec of State.
Sarah Brady herself made robo calls for Danny.
Insubordinate children in a candy store who feel they can take whatever they want, without consequence.
Throw them out!
It does not have to state such things.
People have a right, that must not be infringed, against self-incrimination. To conceal the existence of this right, actively or passively, is a functional infringement of that right.
Likewise of the right to counsel.
While not as explicit, there is a strong implicit suggestion that the right to be represented by counsel must be supported by provision of the same, especially if the sheer mass and complexity of law places it beyond the ability of the average individual to attend to. Otherwise the government could just pass a law mandating legal proceedings all occur in Latin, and if you are not fully fluent in Latin it is your tough luck when you get convicted because you have no idea what is happening in court.
Interrogation must be ended when rights are asserted or the freedom from infringement is being subverted.
Slander and libel are issues of person. Such things violate the right to one's good name. In cases where two rights conflict, a judgement must be made between them. Similarly claiming a danger where none exists may endanger people, and again a judgement between two rights must be made.
Segregation and eugenics are not mentioned in the Constitution (as originally ratified), let alone sanctioned by the Constitution, those practices were only sanctioned by those pretending to interpret the Constitution.
i have herd this argument from progressive social Utopians for all my life, we must interpret the life out of the constitution to make it compatible with the changing "norms" of society
for me, i haven't seen "society" change, mankind as a social organism is now, and has always been selfish, greedy, power hungry, self serving. mankind is depraved, and venal. all the way back to Adam and Eve (or og and oggina, if you are an evolutionist by faith) man is not by any means hopeless, at times God willing, mankind raises himself to heights of nobility, and selflessness. and by those people, great good is done. the constitution is a law, and a call by which government can be better than the base nature of mankind by restricting (by law) the base venal nature of those who would lead us. the problem is, liberal progressives are by nature, unrestrained by any law, or restriction, other than the self righteousness ideology of indiscipline, and perpetual childishness..
No I haven't. It always makes me sick when I run across things like this. We really need to clean house.
“We use the term constitutional fidelity to describe this approach. To be faithful to the Constitution is to interpret its words and to apply its principles in ways that sustain their vitality over time. Fidelity to the Constitution requires judges to ask not how its general principles would have been applied in 1789 or 1868, but rather how those principles should be applied today in order to preserve their power and meaning in light of the concerns, conditions, and evolving norms of our society. In this book, we develop a different approach to interpretation that respects the endurance of our written Constitution and explains how its text and principles retain their authority and legitimacy over decades and centuries.”
Bla, bla, bla. The above is a very long, legalese paragraph defending the "legislation from the bench" approach to the Constitution. I have to wonder, is the Bible subject to the same "rewrite"? Are the 10 commandments subject to interpretation? For believers, Christian and Jew, the Bible, (or at least the Old Testament), is the foundation of their belief system. So as a believer and an American, how does one reconcile the belief that the Constitution is a "living" document, subject to the whims of each generation, with the belief that the 10 commandments were written in stone and immovable?
Just saying….
Oh, oh, I must have hit a nerve. I look at everything with an open mind, how else could I have come to the correct position? How's that law boy? Read some sources from the framers. It might clear things up for you.
Did you read my post, or are you just going to ignore the answer and keep asking the question?
You have now been tipped into the silly bin and I can't take you seriously any longer, can't say I didnt try.
Here is an inspirational video to, excite all of you Freedom Loving Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=JVAhr4hZDJE
Derivative as in securities? Are you sure you want to spar with me? It would seem you aren't armed very well. How about the "societal norms" thing? You allude to a law that is subjective to the winds of change. Do you believe in positive or negative rights? Let's get this all on the table shall we. Have a look at the Preamble before you reply please.
"This is just one example from his book. If you read it all, you will see that Liu’s text repeatedly seeks to degrade judicial philosophies of restraint, in an attempt to give license to judicial activism, by saying essentially “everyone does it.” Even the majority in Heller."
And, as my parents would say, and as I have said to my own children '"If all of your friends were jumping off a bridge, would you?" I have learned that just because "everyone does it" does not make it right. Although, Congress seems to exempt itself from this rule.
The older I get, the easier it is to see right through the madness that is the left. I grew up a latent child of the 60's (born in 59). I remember being enamored (at age 13) of the "flower children" hanging out at the restaurants my parents used to frequent. I remember my father (whom I loathed at the time) saying something like – This country will go to hell when they (the flower children) get to run the country. At the time, I could not have agreed with him less. He was a close-minded jerk who only thought of himself, or so I thought.
Today, however, to my utter disdain, I must admit he was right. And, I am afraid. I am afraid that We The People may not be able to turn the tide, that we may not have the spine to put a stop to this utter nonsense and declare once and for all that We The People are in charge. We The People have autonomy over what our children and grandchildren are taught.
We The People have the ultimate power – but only if we decide to use it. Are we Americans or are we globalists? That is the question.
Oh, I see, the Constitution must be interpreted. And what pray tell, should be the basis for this interpretation? Hmmm. It gets really difficult when you are dealing with situations which did not exist when this nation was founded.
To make it fair, I will quote Rusty the Chickenhawk, I will keep one hand tied behind my back. You know, I bet you blame Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack for the economic collapse. Hmmm. I will wait patiently.
Excuse me but I simply would like the following questions answered. Since the technology you were referring to was not around 223 years ago, how could the Founding Fathers include it in the Bill of Rights? Obviously, it has been granted protection by the courts, but what basis do the courts use to determine how this technology should be protected?
The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution prohibits "unreasonable searches and seizures". When this document was written, telephones, the internet, etc. did not exist. If the Constitution is not interpreted as a document which reflects societal norms, then how can you apply the Fourth Amendment to whether a wire tap is reasonable under today's laws. Additionally, the 9th Amendment basically states that although a right is not specifically listed in the Bill of Rights, it does not mean it does not exist. It then states, these rights are reserved to the people. Since these rights are left to the people, who decides what these rights are? Obviously, the courts and if they are to apply them to the current society, I hope they do not limit themselves to what the supposed rights were that the framers specifically mentioned, but did not list.
Wow, you know how to google, congrats! Unfortunately you didn't read enough to understand my point, but I didn't expect that you would. Your point is so thin and idiotic I can't imagine what a bore you must be in real life – try this one huskyboob – who gets to decide what the tone of society is? would it be the progressive we-love-the-whole-wide-world-enemies-and-all, or would it be those who say these are the rules and guidelines that have created the greatest nation on earth. I know which side you are on and all the other let's say 20% of the soft brained 'we want it OUR way' babies who just cannot seem to cope with the reality that our Constitution is brilliant. Don't bother answering since I know it will be nothing more than your usual waaa waaa waaa – blah blah blah -
Most of those old DEm farts already wear 'Depends'.
Ding ding ding – wrong again – what situations are you talking about, other than technological advances, that did not exist? People still have the same wants, needs, drives, and the whole range of emotional and psycological behavior that has part of humans since the beginning of time -
Naw, we think MF stands for Man Fairy
You do fit the profile ~
wait, what did I miss? that was a challenge?? ha ha
Oh my God, just shut up!!!
He's not worth the effort – like a robot or something just reciting the same crap over and over and over……..
Well said kasteer – it doesn't scare him – it scares to think he/we are to live in a country where the government does NOT take care of his sorry ass from cradle to grave -
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