Mitt Romney, the Value-Added Tax, and America’s European Future
by Dan MitchellMy Iowa caucus predictions from yesterday were hopelessly wrong, probably because I was picking with my heart rather than my head. As I noted a couple of weeks ago, Mitt Romney’s openness to a value-added tax makes him a dangerously flawed candidate, and I hoped Iowa voters shared my concern.
In a column for today’s Wall Street Journal, I elaborated on those concerns, explaining why a VAT is bad fiscal policy. I had three main points. First, I noted that the big spenders need a VAT in order to achieve a European-sized welfare state in America.
… the left needs a VAT. It is the only realistic way to collect the huge amount of revenue that will be necessary to finance the mountainous benefits promised by our entitlement programs. Which is exactly what happened in Europe, where welfare-state policies only became feasible after VATs were adopted, beginning in the late 1960s.
Second, I explained that the left favors this giant tax on the middle class because they want more money and soak-the-rich taxes don’t generate much revenue.
First, there aren’t enough wealthy people to finance big government. According to IRS data from before the recession, when we had the most rich people with the most income, there were about 321,000 households with income greater than $1 million, and they had aggregate taxable income of about $1 trillion. That’s a lot of money, but it wouldn’t balance the budget even if the government confiscated every penny—and if it did, how much income do you suppose would be available in year two? Second, higher tax rates don’t raise as much revenue as expected. Upper-income individuals are far more likely to rely on interest, dividends and capital gains—and it is much easier to control the timing, level and composition of capital income, so as to avoid exposing it to the tax man.
Third, I debunked the foolish notion that a VAT creates a “level playing field” for American exporters.
…some manufacturers are willing to overlook the VAT’s flaws because the tax is “border adjusted.” This means that there is no VAT on exports, while the tax is imposed on imports. For mercantilists worried about trade deficits, this is a positive feature that they claim will put America on a “level playing field.” But that misunderstands how a VAT works. Under our current tax system, American goods sold in America don’t pay a VAT—but neither do German-produced goods or Japanese-produced goods that are sold in America because their VAT tax is rebated on exports. Meanwhile, any American-produced goods sold in Germany or Japan are hit by a VAT, as are all other goods. In other words, there already is a level playing field. To be sure, there will also be a level playing field if America adopts a VAT. But it won’t make any difference to international trade. All that will happen is that the politicians in Washington will get more money whenever any products are sold.
But I didn’t limit myself to economic analysis. I also warned that Mitt Romney might be an even greater threat on this issue than Barack Obama.
Unsurprisingly, President Obama is favorably inclined toward a VAT, having recently claimed that it is “something that has worked for other countries.” And yet it’s unlikely that the president would propose a VAT, in large part because he is fixated on class-warfare tax hikes. If he did, almost every Republican in Congress would be opposed, even if only for partisan reasons. But what if a VAT sympathizer like Mr. Romney wins next November and decides that his plan for a lower corporate tax rate is only possible if accompanied by a VAT? There will be quite a few Republicans who like that idea because they want to do something nice for their lobbyist friends in the business community. And there will be many Democrats drawn to the plan because they realize that they need this new source of revenue to enable bigger government. That’s a win-win deal for politicians and a terrible deal for taxpayers.
This point deserves some elaboration. Why is the VAT a do-or-die issue?
Simply stated, the United States is in grave danger of becoming a European-style welfare state. Indeed, that will automatically happen in the next few decades because of demographic changes and poorly designed entitlement programs.
This is why there is a desperate need to reform programs such as Medicare and Medicaid. But politicians almost certainly won’t adopt the needed reforms if they have the ability to instead confiscate more money from taxpayers – especially if they have a new tax like the VAT, which is a money machine for bigger government.
Ironically, it appears there’s more danger of that happening with Romney in the White House.
P.S. For a humorous – but accurate – perspective on the VAT, take a look at these clever cartoons (here, here, and here).







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The usual gang of idiots ie the Republican party picked some one who not only will try to protect the rich but will do nothing, absolutely zero to revive our economy.
With fewer votes than he received in 2008, Mitt Romney might be the winner, but this was and always has been his race to lose. He will win handily in New Hampshire, but failing to decisively defeat the pack will hurt him going into South Carolina and Florida. He will be the target just as much as Rick Santorum, perhaps more so, and Republicans who are looking for someone other than Romney will unite behind Santorum, Paul, or Gingrich, whichever can have the best showing later this month.
Is Romney still the likely GOP candidate? Yes. Still, he will face a longer fight than he can afford thanks to this miniscule win. On the other side, Barack Obama’s camp can only hope that the other Republican candidates tear Romney down as much as possible, softening him up before the real showdown in November.
Mitt Romney is the weakest frontrunner either party has seen since Michael Dukakis.
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No matter who we replace obama with, we're going to need as many Conservatives in Congress as possible. This way if we get bad ideas from the president, we can tell him to stuff it.
Romney would only be a decent solution to stop the countries bleeding, but if we really want to get turned around in the right direction we need Santorum.
It's a pathetic commentary that middle and lower class Democrats are so ideologically blinded by the class warfare rhetoric of their fearless leaders that they don't realize the plan is to actually take MORE from them than the rich.
Obama and the 99% clutter the atmosphere with 'noise' about the rich paying their fair share ad naseum….but the 'signal' is to increase consumption taxes on the rest of society.
It's sad to watch lower and middle class democrats follw the pied piper over the cliff…but i guess people get what they deserve in the end.
Only problem is, they want to take the rest of us with them.
I like that…
All the European countries that added the VAT only postponed their day of reckoning to today! They pushed themselves further and further out on the limb that is about to break off underneath them. If we added the VAT, it would be like giving more cocaine to an addict. They'll feel great for a while, but it won't fix the problem and will only make it harder for the addicte at a future date. When will the liberal and Washington establishment realize that "throwing money" at a problem doesn't solve the problem it only hides it for a short while and eventually makes it an even bigger and more costly problem down the road. In case you're wondering, the PROBLEM is our bloated and unconstitutional federal government that really believes it can do anything it has the votes to do, no matter what the Constitution says.
only problem is our choices MAY be limited to that group.
It isn't gonna be Santorum, that's for sure…
Mitt Romney is a statist who should be honest with everyone and put a D behind his name. The media and the Republican establishment will make sure he is the nominee, and we'll end up in a November with a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, just like '08. And we'll probably end up with the same result.
A VAT tax will make EVERYTHING exponetially more expense. And more laws and restrictions will be in place so the VAT tax can be maximised. I'll give a good example: In the US, your alternator in your car dies. You buy a new or refurbished one. All you payed was the sales tax for the part. About $50, give or take a few bucks.
In Germany ( I grew up there), the same happens. You must tow the vehicle to a licensed mechanic (against the law to repair your own car), the mechanic replaces the part, you either have a friend drive you to the mechanic or take a cab, so you get your car back. Let's see: the towing bill: labor, plus VAT tax. The mechanic bills you for his labor plus VAT tax, and the part(s) he obtained from a distributor: part(s), plus sales tax plus VAT taxes. See where this is going?
(part 2)
In order for a VAT tax to be effective, things we do for ourselves whether fixing, or improving your car, home, etc will be illegal. The more people are involved with your situation, the more taxes can be collected. "Do-it-yourselfers" will be a thing of the past. Wanna build a porch? You must hire an architect, a carpenter and an inspector. Want to add a sink in the bathroom? Gotta hire an interior architect and a plumber and another inspector. They all must bill seperately, so now you pay labor, sales (in most cases) and VAT taxes to three different people, for something you could've done by yourself. Get caught doing it yourself? Guess what? They bust you on tax evasion after imposing fines and levees for breaking the law.
I need to correct you on one point. The self-anointed "99%" are far from representing that proportion of the population (most likely the true believers of the Left are 40% or less of the U.S. population). The libtard fleabaggers cannot be allowed to control the language of any debate.
That said, the gist of your post is right on target.
Doesn't anyone in government have a brain?? Can't they see what the "European model" is doing to Europe?
There's a perfect blueprint of what NOT to do, and yet these buttmonkeys keep pushing us in that direction. A VAT, yeah good thinking…..
That's not how I see it. Rick Santorum is a Catholic. I voted for Jack Kennedy. He had spoken at my school's father-son dinner. It was a Catholic military high school. Catholicism was a very big issue then. If Kennedy had been a conventional Protestant he would have won the Presidency in a cake walk.
Let me share with you an anecdote that Moynahan wrote about. Look at the Washington Monument. Notice that the marble is white in the lower third but is a light beige above that. The good blindingly white marble is from Carrara. It is the same marble Augustus used to decorate ancient Rome.
While the monument was being built religious fanatics claimed that the Pope was sealing Catholics in the stone blocks to invade America. This is even crazier than the tunnel they said would be built from the Vatican to the White House. I remember all that very well.
But today no one cares if Santorum is a Catholic anymore than they cared that Joe Lieberman was a Jew. There is much more religious tolerance today then there was back then – unless you're a Mormon. Romney's biggest flaw in the minds of evangelicals is that he believes in the Book of Mormon.
I'm an atheist. Some people would have you believe that there are no Republican atheists. Not so. From my perspective Christianity and Mormonism are equally true and equally false. I like Christains and I like Mormons. Both faiths produce good citizens but Mormonism was established in modern times. It's founder was a con man with a public record of fraud. Apparently the Christian bible thumpers are embaressed by the patent silliness of the Mormon religion. Baptists and such seem to think the very existence of the Mormon religion weakens the faith of everyone else.
I think most people will overcome their prejudices and accept that Romney is a good person even if he subscribes to a lot of whacky Mormon doctrine.
Dapper Dan likes Romney? When did that happen?
The USA needs the VAT like Jews in Nazi Germany need Hitler.
Mitchell liked Romney? WTF is going on? Sacrilegious is the only word that comes to mind. What's next Dan? Is ObamaCare NOT bureaucratic enough?
Why?
Romney will listen to his constituency.
If the GOP rank and file raise enough stink over a VAT (hint: They most certainly WILL) he'll back off of it. A consumption tax makes far more sense- and he'll go whatever way the party suggests…
If a VAT system replaced the current tax system, and it was tied to a percentage of the economy (i.e. post WWII avg of 18%), it has the potential to work out better than our current tax system. I know those are 2 *huge* ifs, but I don't like writing off a potentially better tax system because of potential pitfalls.
That's why I used the word "only" in the first part of that statement. Besides, we don't have to settle for anyone yet, you're talking as if it's already over. We can still get someone other than Romney in there (hopefully Santorum).
Perfectly stated,Tolzer.
Sadly, the problem is that he's a nice guy…
and more often than not, they finish last….
I think you're talking about 2 different things here. A VAT doesn't require more middlemen, it's simply a different kind of consumption tax. Additionally, since a VAT doesn't compound the tax, if a sales tax is 10% and a VAT is 10%, the tax rate the end user pays is 10%.
wait until he gets eviscerated by the media this week.
And SOME of it will be from the right. He isn't all that conservative, Petro- and his liberal apostasies (he is George W Bush without the daddy issues) will all come out. What he is is an east coast big government conservative whose real agenda is the religious right.
Big time Godhead.
Now that isn't a problem, necessarily- but he doesn't bring the same heat to conservative politics…
And the winner is…John. The presidential race is a smoke screen, all spending bills begin in Congress. That's the real prize and the only way to reel the big govt BS in. Thanks John!
a VAT tax is a non-starter.
Anyone who raises this issue- it is a HIDDEN tax on every step of production- will get their ears pinned back, and rightfully so…
it will come down to foreign policy. listen to our soldiers. they literally know whats what when it comes to foreign policy.
Do you really think he'd repeal Obamacare?
My quess is, that he'll run across the isle and work with the Democrats to tweak it so that it'll be easier for us to swallow…
he will do what he HAS to do.
The man is not an ideologue- which is both good and bad. If he gets in with a landslide he'll govern from the right. The shorter the margin the farther to the center he'll go.
It's what he does…
VAT will start at 2% but over time will reach 23% (see Europe).
consumption tax is FAR better.
VAT's invite much mischief…
Ron Paul 2012!
Let me correct you, Romney was my governor for one term, he won't listen to s..t but what the establishment tells him. Everything that comes out of his mouth, tune it out, he stands for nothing, NOTHING! The establishment pulls Romneys strings just like they pull Obamas. It's all show, we are being force fed option A black and option A white, the only difference is the men's skin color. The real power circle must be having a great time laughing at US over how easy it is proceeding. Option A or Option A, bend over because you are about to get screwed. I have no solutions just frustration.
I agree that a consumption tax is better than a productivity (income) tax, but a VAT is a consumption tax.
I know that already, but you didn't answer my question….
Will he repeal Obamacare?
I use the' 99%' in a derogatory sense. I am not of the opinion that the '99%' represent anyone but their organizers.
understand your frustration.
He was hired by the people of Massachussetts to be their moderate governor. He will be hired by the American people to be the conservative answer to Obama. But you are not to be blamed for not trusting him, nor any other politician. But if you think about it you'll see Romney is the consummate hired gun…
he'll issue waivers to all 50 states first; a de-facto repeal.
Then the actual repeal will be up to congress. If they send him a bill he'll sign it.
Romney is one of the most predictable politicians in some time; he really is…
no, VAT is a PRODUCTION tax.
You tax every step of production. So it is a consumption tax only in the sense if you don't consume you don't pay it. But it establishes bureacracy at unprecedented levels- you have tax inspectors at every level of the production cycle- and is the antithesis of 'smaller government'…
Germany doesn't have a VAT tax so the broad "EU" brush needs to be dropped. Canada indeed does however, one being the Education and Health Tax on the provincial level (PST) while the other being the federal Goods and Services Tax (GST) both of which are end user taxes on consumption. They don't afflict business all that much but are themselves necessary when you want already in place social programs to have "everybody chips in" funding rather than another income tax hike which we all know is avoidable to the corporate (I'm a contracted employee of my own holding company) and those poor enough for tax breaks yet with enough free income to drink, smoke and frolic every weekend. Only the middle class has permanent tire tracks across their backs from being run over so often. A VAT takes from everyone purchasing regardless of their standing as political martyr or pariah.
I started my carpenters apprenticeship in June of '85 (in Germany) . I recall very clearly my paycheck being taxed at %43 right of the top. I also recall, at the start of ski season, I purchased new skis, bindings and poles. The reciept showed the price of each article PLUS %13 VAT (at the time) per item. Then, there was the additional fee for mounting the bindings plus the %13 VAT for that as well.
When I was stationed in Germany from '95-98 that %13 had swelled to %19 with talks of going to %21.
You are correct, the VAT in and of itself does not creat the middlemen, but the laws of the country do. So, the more middlemen, the more VAT can be collected. If only one person does a job, only that person pays the VAT tax, but if three people do a series of tasks to comlete the job, even more VAT can be collected.
Want to save the economy and reduce the debt? If in agreement, every program and agency within the fed government needs to be placed under a microscope and reviewed as a cost benefit center. If cost exceeds benefit to the American people, get rid of it. All remaining agencies and programs must have the necessary oversight to minimize waste and corruption. Regulations from various agencies are next to be placed under an electron microscope to determine whether they improve or diminish a company's ability to compete internationally. If not, out they go. The same goes for the mountain of federal law that needs to be reviewed and updated or trashed.
Tax law is next. A flat income tax rate of 15% to include Social Security and Medicare payments. No exceptions and no exemptions. The corporate tax rate needs to be reduced to 12% or abolished entirely. That will drive down the cost of widgets, food stuffs, and allow companies to be much more competitive on the international market.
Govt spending must be reduced in order to pay down the national debt, its unfunded liabilities, and to eliminate our current annual trillion dollar plus deficit.
Education and Medicaid management must be returned to the individual states.
Defund USAID; cut all foreign aid to the bone; cease all federal subsidies.
That will turn the economy and country around while improving employment in the private sector.
And for the love of Pete, no VAT. That just encourages a larger govt and more wasteful spending.
I have a dream.
VAT would be just another way for the politicians to get their hands on more of OUR money!
Anybody that spends more money than they have and then claim that they "don´t have a spending problem but have a revenue problem" need to get their head examined!
- OR GET A BRAIN TRANSPLANT!
a VAT can be added to ANY item, service,delivery,assembly,installation, removal, useage,rental, etc etc etc.
A VAT is like a weed, once it's starts growing, it spreads and continues to grow.
I recall my paycheck was taxed at 43 percent right off the top (this was back in 85-87). If that wasn't bad enough, my spending power was severely crippled everytime I bought something and was taxed an extra 13 percent on top of an already high enough sales tax.
Too bad a lot of folks don't realize this.
The problem isn't the concept of VAT persay, but the overall tax burden. One thing that is dangerous about VAT is that it hides a lot of that burden in ways people cant readily see, but I'd have no problem with it if you cut income taxes to offset.
And what happens when my governor doesn't accept that waiver?
the only way to a better america is getting a president to veto the junk congress has been putting out these days. who is the guy who has voted against every single bailout?
Not going there with you, my apologies but he just doesn't send a tingle down my leg.
good question.
But it isn't the President's job to repeal anything. That's up to congress. One of our big problems with Bachmann is she would make statements like 'the first thing I will do is repeal Obamacare.'
Sorry. Not your purview.
Once again, the President is only part of the equation. We need congress; must pick up 6 or more senate seats. It doesn't matter who the hell the President is if we can't advance legislation…
so you need large bailouts for arousal? y ur leg fall asleep.
no gov'ment will EVER get rid of one tax to introduce another. If a VAT is started, it's started off small, but soon will cripple your spending power. Income, they'll think is only taxed ONCE, but the rest of your income will be taxed EVERYTIME you buy something you want or need, almost on a daily basis.
The less you spend, the less products and services will be required. The less products and services are needed, the fewer employees will be needed. I see a pattern here…
If you are self-employed, and that VAT comes round, and people's spending is down, where's your income going to come from? Not the people who are over-taxed, or un-employed, that's for sure!
OK I tried to play nice! Done With That. Take your rabid support for RP and stick it! You RPers are acting like a bunch of deranged ProF.ing.gressives. Sell your guy with irrefutable facts AND logic or STFU! Good Day.
Good points all, but we all know that feces rolls downhill….
and I'd feel more comfortable knowing who Romney really answers to. I'm hoping, it's the people…..
There was a clear winner in Iowa…'real' conservative…Rick Santorum!
He shares the victory, however, with a NWO type…that only came within (8) points of the final tally…even with all the big NWO type money…and press in his favor…and still does not measure up to who Iowans believe they want to lead them.
Bravo to all 'real' Americans in Iowa…who cast all aside to get to the truths and vote for a 'real' conservative…the only one to change things in Washington!
BRAVO!
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Because a regressive tax that has historically been the fiscal weapon of choice of conservative governments is *obviously* a commie plot.
who do ANY of them listen to?
He wants to be President of the GOP. He wants to do a good job. That's Mitt in a nutshell.
He is outcome oriented- and it will be up to the conservative caucus to make sure he follows the correct constitutional procedures. That happens and we'll be ahead of the game. But who knows for sure?
We thought Bush would be a good President, too. Look where THAT got us…
The assumption is that Romney would use a VAT "…in order to achieve a European-sized welfare state in America."
Maybe that assumption is incorrect. As unfortunate as it is, our debt just exceeded our GDP. Maybe the increased revenue would be applied there. It has to come from somewhere if we are ever going to fix it..(Not that I like the VAT.)
no, VAT is a PRODUCTION tax.
A Sales Tax is a consumption tax levied at the point of sale. A Value Added Tax is a consumption tax levied at each stage of production.
you have tax inspectors at every level of the production cycle
How is that different from now? Each business (more or less) is already subject to some form of taxation (payroll, income, etc…), therefore tax inspectors already exist at every level of the production cycle.
i did. he has voted against every single bailout. fact. he would also veto NDAA and SOPA. he's the only GOP candidate against those 2 horrible bills. fact.
If cost exceeds benefit to the American people, get rid of it.
If you consider that each gov't program benefits each person differently (either positive or negative), how would you go about figuring out if the cost outweighs the benefits?
the only thing romney will do is get obama re-elected. any legitimate business person would be against the vat.
didn't romney lose to mcain. and mcain lost to obama. ok nominating romney is a really good idea…for obama.
the fact that a so called experienced business person would consider a vat makes romney completely out of touch. he's obviously been campaigning too long. just like our totus.
LOL!
Socialist Europe uses a VAT…..
Mr. Emptyhead ready to dump another load of his shovel ready Socialism on America.
We can't continue down our current path. Cost/benefit analysis would be determined by a responsible congress which is currently lacking in the senate.
One of the historical failures of congress has been the lack of oversight to contain waste, fraud, and corruption within federally sponsored programs. Congress seems content to pass law but not to ensure there are responsible folks to over see that the laws or programs function correctly. For example, billions go down the drain every year on fraud, waste and corruption within the Social Security system and Medicare. Heck, the govt still mails retirement checks to deceased federal employees.
not necessarily.
Think a loaf of bread. The farmer buys the seed. He is taxed on that purchase, true. But that is a local sales tax and NOT a VAT, which is federal. This will need to be implemented by a new taxing authority. But that cost will be passed to the consumer.
When he sells the grain, and it is milled, than baked- each step a federal official will enact a tax.
Much of wholesale purchases are tax exempt now (you have a wholesale tax Id#); that will go away, too.
No, a VAT is a true production tax, it is onerous and expensive and has doomed Europe…
And I can't beleive my ears when I hear conservative Americans actually trying to justify themselves considering voting for this turd Romney. A GOP controlled clown who is only trying to keep the status quo as it is.
perhaps.
But it dovetails with the notion that Romney is NOT an ideologue- he isn't. But if there is grassroots oppositon to a VAT- and believe it, it WILL- he'll defer.
That would be classic Mitt…
Only problem is, they want to take the rest of us with them.
Only problem is, they ARE taking the rest of us with them.
Vote local, vote conservative, vote TEA.
I agree that the current path is unsustainable. I simply question the efficacy of leaving the gov't to police itself. I'd say that's part of the current path we've traveled.
has been the lack of oversight to contain waste, fraud, and corruption within federally sponsored programs.
I think we both know that the individuals running those programs lack any incentive to monitor abuse, but does even Congress have an incentive? Since the gov't lacks a profit motive and can simply extract more funds by force, what is their incentive to combat waste when they can simply borrow and tax? I understand there are watchdog groups and things are nationally exposed from time to time, but we're talking about a "company" with a $3T+ budget, with many programs hidden from view.
I agree with the overarching theme of your comment, and maybe I'm looking for nits to pick, but I just don't have a lot of faith in most of our "representatives."
but if three people do a series of tasks to comlete the job, even more VAT can be collected.
I agree, but just to be clear for people that may read this, that's because the total cost of the good/service has increased (each middleman has to make a buck), not because the VAT rate compounds or anything.
Sadly, I don't either.
it takes more folks to complete a task because it's illegal for you to do on your own. Let's say you want to build a porch. Here, you buy what you need and build it yourself. One man, one job. One act of sales tax collected. In germany, you must hire an architect (after appling for for permission to do so in the first place, again fees and taxes leveed), he'll bill you at his rate plus VAT. Then the carpenter buys the lumber needed for the job (sales tax +VAT), if the lumber guy delivers it, again service fees + VAT. Once the carpenter is finished, he'll bill you his rate plus VAT, then, by law it must be inspected, again a service fee + VAT. The folks doing their jobs have a set rate (a standard is set by the State, not by the market). There is some, but little room for profit. But, because the VAT and regulations are in place it is still WAY more expensive then if the rates were set by the market and fewer regulations.
The tax tit has been sucked dry. The only way the government knows how to solve a problem is to throw more money at it.
But that cost will be passed to the consumer.
All taxes levied on businesses are passed along (through a combination of lower wages on employees, increased prices to consumers, and decreased returns to investors) to the consumer already.
Much of wholesale purchases are tax exempt now (you have a wholesale tax Id#); that will go away, too.
Sales Tax exemptions only exist in states that levy a sales tax, and unless those states repeal those laws, those exemptions will still be used.
This will need to be implemented by a new taxing authority.
If, in my scenario, the VAT is enacted to replace the current productivity (income) tax, the IRS could simply take that over… there would be no need for another tax agency. The VAT percentage would have to be set across the board (which would make it fair and relatively less complicated).
I'm not married to a VAT, but I do see it as the best option for a consumption tax, which is the least damaging tax available. If (there's that word again) it's done right, it would be an improvement over our current system.
There is no substance to any of the political shenanigans we have witnessed the past 3 years. It's all theater, a show performed by celebrity obsessed Americans. Obama has been nothing be a figure head and allowed (or likely, ordered by) Congress to do what they told him just as if he were still a junior Senator.
None of the Repubs provided any substantive solutions (except Cain and Paul – both unelectable) the others only preached (a couple literally) rhetoric and soothed the ideological fears of Iowans.
No, this country is run by extreme wealth and one only need look to Bushes last days in office and Obama's last 3 years in office to come to that conclusion. There is no governing of, for and by the people anymore (if there ever was).
Foreign policy is one of the least important issues for voters in 2012 according to recent polls.
The only winner last night was President Obama.
Romney will NOT repeal Obamacare. He will likely raise taxes and increase size of government. It's not looking good at all. We have very few choices left. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a 3rd party candidate on the ballot.
Never flies in that the puppeteers on either right or left extreme would not allow such. The flat tax fails on Warren Buffet to the same degree it does with Matt Damon or any of the others working for their own company under contract while flying in the company jet on company business and eating their company lunch in another country just because they indeed can. I'll be the first to admit using the tax loopholes in Canada to the best of my abilities and that I indeed will continue to do so until the day I'm composted. I can also admit to tearing up like a twelve year old girl at a Justin Beiber concert as my wife cut one cheque for north of $360K to the Minister of Finance and not feeling the least bit like we'd "done our part" rather than "having been bent over". Tax me on it when I piss it away certainly but not on my having earned it in the first place as I might not have that much of it a decade from now and may just NEED IT then.
Were I the man in charge there wouldn't be ANY income tax but two very distinct VAT. A state one (provincial for me) and a federal. You see the thing with a VAT everyone seems to be unable to recognize is it only exists "above board" and that it is inescapable even for those Americans banking in Denmark while decrying America's lack of $ocial justice. In the end everybody pays proportional to their consumption, even the corporate entity. What's more even handed than that?
You lose it over the stupidest stuff. Calm down bag.
Santorum is a big government liberal, as evidenced by his voting record. He's only conservative on social issues.
Republicans nominate Santorum and they forfeit every swing state they need to beat the president. Even Pennsylvania won't vote for that guy. Especially Pennsylvania.
Santorum can't win:
Missouri
Indiana
Nevada
Arizona
Colorado
Florida
Ohio
Pennsylvania
New Hampshire
Maine
Virginia
North Carolina
It will be a popular and electoral landslide for the president.
Baggers are toast. You've already lost the House and presidency in 2012. Keep it up and you'll have no chance in the senate either.
Sorry, teabaggers are done. Republicans will get tired of losing soon and rebrand you people.
That's your best stuff?! Really?! Get lost sport, I don't have time for brain dead "winners" like you. Epic Fail.
You wouldn't know that from all the Paul bashing around here.
Cut a trillion dollars, end the income tax, no amnesty, bigtime pro-Second Amendment… "no thanks! That's too kooky!"
A VAT is completely above board. There is no obfuscation within corporate perks nor welfare fraud or even something as "below board" as outright thievery. Eventually everyone buys something and too eventually pays up. You don't want to pay taxes, consume nothing and enjoy as miserable existence upon a mountain of money as you would a perpetual welfare case. It's as even handed as it gets and that's why the likes of Warren Buffet to Mark Zuckerberg would drown Washington political gold to prevent it being chosen over the status quo.
Welcome to America. If you don't like the way we do it here then move somewhere more to your liking.
He's going to be your guy in 12. Better show him some love.
That's what happens when big-government neocons take over what was a true fiscally-conservative movement.
That is an outright lie perpetuated by those who want to destroy a 'real' conservative and…apparently…you are one of them!
Here is his voting record…and I am sure you will get all your answers in the next few months as he is attacked…as you have just attacked him…with the truth not lies and spins!
Congressional record…Rick Santorum
http://www.issues2000.org/senate/Rick_Santorum.ht...
Santorum telling it like it is…and not backing down!
http://bigpeace.com/jpollak/2011/12/11/santorum-f...
http://bigpeace.com/sfr/2011/12/22/interview-rick...
http://biggovernment.com/jpollak/2012/01/02/ron-p...
NOW LET US SUPPORT RICK SANTORUM WITH OUR MONEY AND OUR VOTE TO FIGHT THE NWO MONEY…FLOWING INTO ROMNEY!
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it takes more folks to complete a task because it's illegal for you to do on your own.
Yes, but that's a regulation problem, not caused with how a VAT functions. You could have the same situation with a national sales tax.
If v = VAT and a through c are inputs, a * v plus b * v plus c * v is mathematically equivalent to (a plus b plus c ) * v
You paid exactly the same percentage of tax, it's just that with more middlemen (due to regulation), you had more people involved, which raised that absolute cost of your porch.
in your scenario, yes.
It will NOT be implemented in such a fashion. The European model is admired here for some godforsaken reason (well, unaccountable money, perhaps) and would most likely be copied.
It does add a whole layer of government to the mix.
Let's just say that an honest government could carry this out given proper transparency.
THAT is unlikely…
Germany does have a VAT. It's called "Mehrwehrts Steuer". I grew up there. I earned and spent my money there.
VAT taxes fill the State coffers, while emptying yours.
I'm not argueing the math, but the VAT is added to each item BEFORE a final sales tax is added.
The reason the German gov'ment does not allow people to do thier own repairs, etc, is if more people MUST be involved in any given process, the more people MUST pay a VAT tax. The part or service didn't gain any value, but it did collect more taxes for the State from start to finish.
You sir are a low life POS. How's that for political correctness? Conservative America is going to toss your POS low life administration out with the trash this next election. You re branding didn't work. Instead the MSM is now irrelevant and pasé. Just like you.
That 'compassionate conservative' crap was the end of Bush for me….
That, and the fact that he was a little too Progressive….
No, that doesn't work for me. Replacing a blatant statist with a D after his name with a (slightly) stealth statist with an R after his name isn't much of a choice. He may be the Republican establishment's guy, but he's not mine. There will be no love shown.
Personally I find this kind of commentary very misleading. First Romney said that he was open to a VAT "AS A REPLACEMENT FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE TAX CODE." He's not the only one open to this. In 2008 Mike Huckabee campaigned on replacing the current tax code with the "Fair Tax" which is a VAT. Conservatives loved this idea then. Herman Cain proposed reducing the income tax to a flat 9% while adding a 9% national sales tax and replacing the corporate tax with a 9% VAT. Again conservatives loved the idea. The VAT in itself is not a bad thing – it has a bad reputation because the countries in Europe ADDED a VAT ON TOP OF their existing tax code.
A VAT is essentially no different than a sales tax – it is a consumption tax. The only difference is that it is assessed at each level of production rather than at the final sale. Yes more businesses are exposed to the tax, but if it means the elimination of the corporate and income taxes it will greatly reduce the cost of tax compliance in this country and get the federal government out of the business of telling us how to spend (or save) our money.
Rommey might not be the darling of conservatives, but painting him out to be a European socialist is counterproductive and could result in another 4 years of BO, another $5,000,000,000,000 in debt and another 4 years of 9%+ unemployment.
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