Close Tax Loopholes? Fine, but Use the Money to Lower Tax Rates
by Dan MitchellThere’s been a lot of heated discussion about various preferences, deductions, credits, shelters, and other loopholes in the tax code. Some of this debate has revolved around whether it is legitimate to refer to these provisions as “tax expenditures” or “subsidies.”
My Cato colleague Michael Cannon vociferously argues that subsidies and expenditures only occur when the government takes money from person A and gives it to person B. On the other side of the debate are people like Josh Barro of the Manhattan Institute, who argues that tax preferences are akin to subsidies or expenditures since they can be just as damaging as government spending programs when looking at whether resources are efficiently allocated.
Since I’m a can’t-we-all-get-along, uniter-not-divider kind of person, allow me to suggest that this debate should be set aside. After all, we all agree that tax preferences can lead to inefficient outcomes. So let’s call them “tax distortions” and focus on the real issue, which is how best to eliminate them.
This is an important issue because both the Domenici-Rivlin Task Force and the Chairmen of the Simpson-Bowles Commission have unveiled plans that would reduce or eliminate many of these tax distortions and also lower marginal tax rates. That’s the good news.
The bad news is that their plans result in more revenue going to Washington. In other words, the tax increase resulting from fewer tax distortions is larger than the tax decrease resulting from lower tax rates. To put it bluntly, the plans would increase the overall tax burden.
Some argue that this is an acceptable price to pay. They point out, quite correctly, that lower tax rates will help the economy by improving incentives for productive behavior. And they also are right in arguing that fewer tax distortions will help the economy by improving efficiency. Seems like a win-win situation. What’s not to like?
The problem is on the spending side of the fiscal ledger. The Simpson-Bowles Commission and the Domenici-Rivlin Task Force were charged with figuring out how to reduce red ink. We already know from Congressional Budget Office data, however, that we can balance the budget fairly quickly by limiting the growth of government spending. As the chart illustrates, the deficit disappears by 2016-2017 with a hard freeze and goes away by 2019-2020 if spending increases by two percent each year (and this assumes all the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts are made permanent).
If tax revenue is increased, that simply means that the budget gets balanced at a higher level of spending. And since government spending, at current levels and composition, hinders economic growth by diverting labor and capital to less productive (or unproductive) uses, any proposal that enables higher levels of government spending will further undermine economic performance.
It goes without saying (but I’ll say it anyhow) that this analysis is overly optimistic since it assumes that politicians actually will balance the budget. In all likelihood, as explained in today’s Wall Street Journal, any tax increase would probably be followed by even more spending. So if politicians raise the tax burden, we might still have a deficit of $685 billion in 2020 (CBO’s most-recent estimate assuming all programs are left on auto-pilot), but the overall levels of both spending and taxes would be higher. This modified cartoon captures this real-world effect.
This is why revenue-neutral tax reform, like the flat tax, is the only pro-growth way of eliminating tax distortions.







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Here is a relevant article pertaining to taxes, from the top of the Big Government thread http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2010/11/w... . Essentially it says for every dollar of tax the government collects, they will spend a buck seventeen centavos. The numbers never work, in dealing with the government. Look out Ireland, here we come……….
I would have to agree, Mr. Mitchell. The flat tax is really the only way to go in order to eliminate all the pits and valleys of tax irregularities. Though, this all is too easy to comprehend and would never be signed off on by congress. Our tax codes are purposefully involved and perplexing so we don't really ever know the loopholes our "law makers" are utilizing until it already to late.
Does the equal protection clause have anything to do with taxes I wonder…???
Politicians will say anything to get your money. Worse than a cheap used car salesman. Lie, cheat and steal are the watch words.
A better argument for the implementation of a flat tax or even the Fair Tax hasn't been made. Simplify the tax code, everyone pays the same percentage and no deductions. I would be willing to bet the effect would either be revenue neutral or more likely actually increase revenue. Couple that with the cost savings of a greatly down-sized IRS and other spending cuts and we would have a much better chance of digging the country out of the hole that decades of profligacy has put us in than we do now. Of course, that will never happen because it would make sense, put a bunch of government wonks out of a job and make the tax code comprehensible to anyone with a 4th grade education.
More significantly, a flat tax is anathema to leftists, because a proregressive tax is one of their favorite tools to coddle their covetous base.
Absolutely. If the 49% or so of the population that currently pays little to no tax had to start shouldering their fair share of the burden even they would really slap the lefties silly.
Off Topic! Attention all Patriots.
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We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.We are focusing on the wrong item. If my families income falls so does my spending, or I go into debt….. Too much personal debt is a bad thing. Why should it be any different for a country.
Sound familiar?
I was thinking the same thing…Ireland…I wonder what red tape they're going to attach to the bail-out money, after Ireland receives it…like they did to the banks…You know, made the banks take the money (even when they didn't want it or asked for it), then after the banks gave out big bonus' and went out and partied it away, they find out that they are slaves to the government until they pay it back and when they pay it back, the bank better of had enough capital (as the government saw fit) or else the government wouldn't take any pay backs and if the government saw that the bank was not going to be able to do that they (the government) would take the bank over. The banks never saw that coming. Many small banks were taken over by the government that way.
You know Stan, it makes a person wonder how in the world do these people maintain their own households. The only thing I can figure is that they "redirect" money from their office, campaigns and donations to make up the shortfall in their personal budgets, because they seem completely clueless about the relationship between spending and debt.
Dan Mitchell consistently produeces quality wqork.
Well done.
Boldness, their spouses make all of "their" financial decisions for them as they have proven that they are recklessly incapable of any budgetary sense.
Balanced Budget Constituitional Amendment!!!! We the states can force a big sh!t sandwich down their throats and the best part is we don't even have to care if they are able to swallow it!!
Democrats are fundamentally confused (lie) about economics regarding tax 'rates' and tax 'revenues'. They are not the same thing.
They seem to be aware that if they tax soda and candy bars it will decrease consumption. If they increase tax rates, tax revenues will go down too. They are trying to debate to taxes so they don't have to debate cutting spending.
When Carter had a 70% top marginal tax 'rate' the top earners only paid 19% of the total revenues — today they pay 40% of the total revenue. 50% don't even pay a tax — how do you get more "fair" than that?
Loopholes won't matter. They will invest in China and Brazil, like Buffet and Soros.
Abolish the IRS & set up a FAIR & JUST TAX SYSTEM where all the citizens pay thier fair share (Equally vested in the Republic) with NO loop holes for ANY CRONIES.
Aren't tax deductions a de facto admission that the tax burden is too onerous? Every deduction is just an attempt to modify the behavior of and control the individual or a business.
Individuals and businesses spend billions yearly as a cost of compliance with the tax code. This is a hidden cost that is ultimately passed on to the consumer by a business. For the individual it is just another ding on their yearly budget (plus the extra they pay daily to support businesses' cost of compliance in the form of increased prices for goods and services).
Whether you have a flat tax or a Fair Tax it will always be a burden on the taxpayer. It will never produce enough revenue for the government. It will always be regressive. Government doesn't participate in the economy, it just sucks money out of it.
We need to change the way government generates revenue. I'm partial to Rainmaker's ideas for Capitalism 2.0. Force the government to have to invest in the economy in order to get their revenue. Then they will be forced to pass legislation that promotes the general welfare.
BTW, to Buffet, Gates, et al, who support the notion that millionaires need to pay more taxes, there is nothing preventing you from writing a big check to the US Treasury above and beyond what you already pay in taxes. It's all just chicken feed to you. Put your money where your mouth is.
If a republican congressman had a set, they would propose a bipartisen solution to the tax and spend problem like the demoncrats have done for years. You see, 50% of the peolple pay no taxes they are mostly demoncrats who pay no taxes. So they took care of their consitutiants!
Solution repubs should offer to extend the Oblabby tax increases to all demoncrats who voted "D " for president in the last 2 election cycles. Repubs and indepedants keep the current "bush" tax rates! Simple and bipartisan!
Dems want increses-we should all help them pay more! I'm for that! "We have the technology" to do this so let's help those dems!
The Constitution creating a republican form of government, within requiring all states operate them as well, demands taxation be uniform. It does not demand expensive compliance procedures or revenue neutral solutions. If returning to uniformity creates an imbalance, then it must be dealt with on the spending side of the equation.
FAIRTAX or something akin to it is the way to go. That way all taxation is collected from the spending side of the Economy, rather than the earning side, and business' only compliance cost is remittance to state government. Then, states can fund the federal government they created and the porkfest comes to an end.
Everyone has to pay their share, of this there is no doubt. This is the just and equal way to end the class warfare engaged in today and force governments, local, state and federal to operate within their means.
Just vote against anything that Chuck Schumer suggests about Taxes and you'd be right.
Good point gwar5!
'Democrats are fundamentally confused (lie) about economics regarding tax rate and tax revenues. They are not the same thing.'
Great post keepdad. I like Rainmaker's ideas too.
I think we need an amendment against deficit spending.
We have a slew of great new Governors coming in January! If they take a page out of the fiscal policies of Chris Christie,(R) NJ, and Mitch Daniels, (R) In. we will get a big jump on cutting Government spending. That will help propel U.S. toward our goals of fiscal solvency!
FAIR TAX!
You give an inch here, then another class will ask for some, and you'll eventually have to cave just so you can get work done on other issues–then another class wants something done…And you end up with our current tax code. Why do married people get a deduction? What about homosexuals with live-in partners? Why should small businesses get a break? What about big businesses?
The best way to be truly fair is to cut no slack for anyone. Tough, but fair.
You go Dan Mitchell! Just keep telling the truth.
With our current tax code, everything is taxed at every step of the way. Income tax on stuff going to you, sales tax on stuff going out–in varying percentages depending on what you spend your money on (hotels and car rentals have ridiculous tax rates)–and then there are all the taxes that business must pay.
With a flat tax, every person would pay same percentage. Businesses aren't people, and therefore shouldn't pay taxes (my opinion–not sure what the official Flat Tax says). That said, as long as you don't use the business's coffers as a personal ATM, then business expenses will be tax free.
As far as the government is concerned, the government should not be concerned with marriage. Marriage, in the current sense, in the government's eyes, is the union of two people into one financial entity. If I want to enter a financial union with my widowed mother, then why can't I? If my spinster aunts, who've been living together for the last 50 years and have maintained the same household all that time want to become one financial entity, why can't they? The government shouldn't care who does that–but if you want a traditional church marriage it'd had better be one man and one woman. Marriage is between a couple and God. The government has no function there.
It,s comforting to take homage in what we have done in a few years, but we have to mobilize many more Americans to pay attention. Talk to everyone you can, engage them in debate, suggest they join their local Tea Party. The battle is in full progress, we need to win this battle for our Freedom, This is it, its now or never. I selfishly enjoy being a part of the Tea Party movement, its a good feeling you get in your heart. We are making a difference, put some time aside, give up golf for a day,etc, etc. Get to a meeting, its like coming home to a house of good solid Americans who have had enough. Many more of us have that in common than you would think, be engaged, get involved.
Everything we, do we do with our own dime, invest in yourself, and your country. The benefits are many, just like this story. America is simply poking its head up, I want to stand up tall, with as many Americans I can find, we can do this, we have to do this. When I got involved their were just a few Tea Parties in the country, now we have thousands. I want millions………..get busy America, join the Tea Party movement get on board.
VIVA LA TEA PARTY,
''A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Okay, Dan, PAY ATTENTION…
STOP SPENDING….!!!!!!
Got it…? How hard is that…?
Stop looking for things that "increase revenue", or we'll throw the current crop of Congressional idiots out in 2012…!!!
G_ddamn it, how STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE…?????
No matter what we do, if it increases revenue, someone in Congress will try to find a way to spend it…EVERY F&CKING TIME…!!!
STOP SPENDING…!!! STOP SPENDING…!!! STOP SPENDING…!!! STOP SPENDING…!!! STOP SPENDING…!!!
Was that enough this time…or are we going to do this AGAIN…???????
Yup, and some who pay no taxes get money back. That's…welfare.. I submit.
GOP plan to reduce the deficit is 700 BILLION in UNPAID FOR Tax Cuts for the upper 2%.
False.
You continually reveal your complete lack of integrity.
I am tired of listening to your constant bitching…
So what is your plan, RS1, other than the "corporate complaint"…?
Let's see your "brilliant" plan…
Lets go back to the Reagan years of a tax bracket of 50% on the upper 2%. We need to get back to the commie socialist ways of Reagan.
28%…
That works…28% top rate…
Next…?
Here is more
(In addition, the small “income-tax cuts” that were given to the middle and lower income tax brackets were countered with new taxes that were directed at middle and low income individuals, as former House Speaker Jim Wright said:
Reagan's tax increases fell mainly on consumers, low- and middle-income people. Sales and excise levies. Reagan didn't call these taxes. They were, in his euphemistic lexicon, "user fees" and "revenue-enhancers.")
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/trickle_dow...
Fine…we leave it at 28% and make sure the burden is on the people you point out…
After all…this is with a Democrat controlled Congress in charge of the purse strings…
But it is your plan, after all…
No problems so far…
Are you sure this is what you want…?
RS1 is a Reaganite…who'd a thunk it…?
Taxed Enough Already? Everybody making less than $250K got the biggest tax cut since Ronald Reagan as part of the Stimulus Package. How much more do these greedy "Taxed Enough Already" clowns want? Don't want to pay your fair share, fine. But bitching about it like spoiled 12 year old girls? WTF?
How much do we want..?
Everything we can get…
Syntax_game_II wants to be the one to pay taxes…so we'll let you…
Everyone, he's volunteering…let him pay yours…
While I find it easy to agree with the simplification of the tax code and a flat tax in principle, the Fair Tax is a far superior plan than a flat tax on income. A flat tax on income keeps our 'pay in order to work or else' system that keeps us, essentially, as slaves to our 'masters' in Washington who will continue setting the rates & getting their 'cut' long before we even see our paychecks thus giving them the same 'cash in hand' system that has encouraged reckless spending & taxation habits ripe for lobbyists and their 'favors.' How can we have to pay the govt. in order to earn an honest living and call ourselves free? Our current system is one in which what we take home in our paychecks is merely what our masters have decided that we 'deserve' to keep.
cont'd…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjMbkczdy-Q
Maj. Gen.Jerry R Curry (Ret.) Speaks Out On The Obama Eligibility Issue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO8n4Pij158
As someone who uses "loopholes" for business purposes (I can write off purchases that I use for my business), I'm torn on this.
I don't like the complication of the tax code. I find it reprehensible I have to PAY money to hire a "translator" to file my taxes (and lawyers too, to deal with the legal system, but that's another post). …however… these write-offs really do encourage me to invest and spend FOR my business. As they say (and they're right) when you subsidize something, you get more of it. So, in terms of write-offs for business… why's that a bad thing?
Close loopholes, eliminate fraud, waste and abuse, save billions to spend on really worthwhile projects. I've heard these things all my life, yet they never seem to get done.
Support the Fair Tax and watch it happen. We've already had a 'flat' tax on income. It's time to get back to working for ourselves rather than slaves to the politicians and lobbyists.
Not when none of your income or business to business transactions are taxed under the Fair Tax + as an American citizen, you are eligible for a prebate sent monthly to pay for that months taxes up to poverty level so that on one in America has to pay taxes up to poverty level. Also you can avoid paying the tax by buying used items.
28% top rate? Then why not stop taxing income altogether, get rid of income taxes and go to the Fair Tax at 23% rather than want to remain a slave under the income tax?
So essentially you're all for everyone in America remaining a slave to politicians and lobbyists through an income tax so that 'the rich' get soaked, right? Kinda 'never mind freedom, just make sure that rich man pays more'.
No we need to get it back to 50% that is when Reagan’s policies were working. Once he dropped it to 28% the deficit soared and the economy begun to fail.
Reagan’s best years were his socialist commie years.
Hey I am all for the GOP trying to impose that 23% Big Gov National Sales Tax on 95% of America who are the working class. That will be the end of the GOP.
Man did the GOP ever try to run away from their plan to do that during the elections. They tried to claim it was never ever their plan even though they actually had a house bill to do it.
28% was the final…
Deal with it…considering you already had that rate set and then you went off on some wacko tangent…your Congress didn't approve any other change…
Anything else, Reaganite…?
How can we use the words "fair share" to apply to any taxpayer who makes under $1,000,000!
It's only fair to pay when you are rich. Now, to GET your "fair share" is another designation.
Seriously, those of us who like logical , rather than touchy-feely laws, might stop using that term altogether.
As you know, under our system, no one pays a "fair" share. The pay their designated share.
The purpose of this exercise is to illustrate that RS1 is very good at regurgitating talking points his lord and master Soros inseminates him with, but he can't think his way out of a paper bag when he has to think independently…
The Reagan stuff is a dig at me…like I care…
So far, he's proved himself as good at the economics of tax policy as Carter was…
Ah, the "prebate"…
First problem, amongst the others…
Are you REALLY going to trust this "government" to make sure you get a check every month…?
Borrow your money for the month, then give it to you…?
How many Congresscritters make their career trying to find Grandma's Social Security check…?
No, thanks…the ONLY thing that works is a system that ties total income to GDP…expand the GDP, you expand the income to Congress…and get them out of your back pocket…
The only system that will work is one that ties revenues to a percentage of GDP…EVERYTHING else can be manipulated to eventually lead to high taxation…
Just for simplicity, say everyone pays 10%…and it takes action by the government on the order of a Constitutional Amendment to move that even 1%…
The only sure way to get an expansion of revenue is to make the total 10% larger…in other words, expand everyone's ability to earn more…
The government then becomes EXTREMELY interested in seeing business and other such types of activity succeed and grow…because then they make more money…
The individual can now reach as high as they WANT to…because every activity is now oriented positively…including the government…
Starting your own business is easy…the government wants you to, so they get more money…
Capture of illegal activity is aggressively pursued…because they aren't paying taxes on their "possession with intent to distribute"…
Underground economic activity is captured…its easy to throw a dime out of every dollar…rather than lose the whole thing under tax evasion…
And there should be no more "deductions" before you get a check or cash…you have to actually pay the tax when you get compensated, in person, at a bank or your business…I'll bet you'll make sure your Congresscritter doesn't get an itch to want to raise that 10% by a eight of a percent if you had to pay it yourself every two weeks…
First if you tie the total income to GDP while giving these jokers an income tax, you get what we have now. More lobbyists and politicians making taxing decisions that affect the economies of American people without the people's choices or input taken into consideration. Furthermore, tying it to GDP means that they could just tie it to 100% of GDP and collect all the money. (Translation: you're are describing our current system. The more produced in the private sector, the more the income tax takes out and sends to Washington. Last time I checked, Washington doesn't create jobs. It just sells that line to suckers who are dumb enough to think 'bidness get all it's monee from de guvment anyhows and it's guvment what makes people them there jobs.'
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Under the Fair Tax, the govt. has to earn it's keep rather than have an income tax and payroll deductions to hold people's money hostage to the benefit of those very same politicians and lobbyists who set the current rates and with one rate instead of our current 'who makes more and how can I screw them with taxes' system, congress will have a time trying to convince a united 300 million people that they need to raise the rate. Whose govt. is it, ours or politicians and lobbyists? Under the Fair Tax, it becomes OUR govt. again instead of business as usual.
Do you REALLY trust the govt. to send out your social security check, unemployment check, foodstamps, pay for your housing, etc.?
And the American people still remain slaves paying an income tax to the government while politicians and lobbyists help set the tax and spending rates. Under Fair Tax, no one is obligated to send in so much as one cent they earn. You would still have them paying the govt. for the 'privilege' of working and feeding themselves and their families. How does taking money from people's paychecks (income) help them pay their bills?
An income tax, flat or otherwise, gives govt. unlimited power to tax and, logically speaking, the rate could easily be 100% and still keeps us as slaves to the govt. Under the Fair Tax, ONE rate to track, easy, transparent system with no tax cuts here and hidden tax raises there and everyone will know exactly how much they are paying in taxes by adding up store receipts with no tax attorney, CPAs, financial planners or rocket scientists needed just a pen/paper or calculator and your tax level is determined by you and your spending rather than 536 politicians and their lobbyists in Washington who can easily, and regularly, vote themselves pay raises.
Of course, Socialists always lie (or anything) to gain (or keep) power. That's why enemies of the Fair Tax demagogue it as a tax hike instead of telling everyone in America they would get their whole paychecks. Whatsa matter? If you tell all people in America the truth, are afraid you couldn't convince a bunch of working people that taking money from their paychecks is 'good' for them because it 'soaks the rich.'? BTW, 99% of those people who used such attack ads against the Fair Tax LOST and bigtime. Haven't you been paying attention? Are you and Karl Marx distant cousins or is it Kruschev, Stalin, Lenin or any of the other socialists you are related to? Retired sailor what navy? USSR?
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