Subsidizing Terrorism with Welfare Handounts: More Astounding Moments in Government Stupidity
by Dan MitchellHere are some very depressing stories showing that bloated welfare states funnel money to some rather disreputable characters – even when governments uncharacteristically try to do the right thing.
The Daily Mail reports that a European Court has ruled that the U.K. no longer can impose restrictions on welfare payments to women married to suspected terrorists:
A European court has instructed Britain to drop restrictions which limit social security benefits paid to the wives of terror suspects. Ministers imposed tight rules on payouts to stop the money falling into the hands of alleged Al Qaeda fanatics. Under the restrictions, cash payments were strictly limited and families had to show receipts to justify every penny of spending. But yesterday the European Court of Justice said there was no danger of the handouts being used to fund terror and branded the measures unlawful.
Unfortunately, this story is not an isolated incident. Here’s a report from the Express about a Muslim cleric who collected welfare from the Brits while (to put it mildly) being a reprehensible slug: “The twisted cleric provoked outrage by comparing British troops to Nazi stormtroopers and telling parents of dead soldiers that their children had died in vain. …Choudary, a former lawyer…rakes in more than £25,000 a year in welfare handouts.” And CNN reports that, “Since the mid-90s, London has been a haven for foreign jihadi preachers, organizers, agitators and propagandists, many of them recipients of generous welfare benefits.
And here’s a BBC report noting that: “In November 2000, Mr Kaplan was convicted for incitement to murder and sentenced to four years in jail. Since then, intelligence reports say his followers have become even more devoted to Mr Kaplan, considering him a martyr for the cause of Allah. …Mr Kaplan is believed to have a fortune worth millions. Nonetheless, he claimed social benefits in Cologne for many years until 2m Deutschmarks (1m euros, £700,000) in cash was found in his flat. This Mickey Kaus blog post has more nauseating details.
The most amazing story comes from Australia. Here’s a Youtube copy of a report showing that Aussie taxpayers gave $1 million of welfare over 19 years to an Islamic extremist who planned to kill thousands of innocent people.
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…and we are told to worry about TEA Partiers…?
WTF…?
Another reason the EU won't survive for long.
Muslims are flocking to Europe and making babies far faster than the native population. In 15 years or less most, if not all, of Europe will be Muslim nations, an invasion without a single shot fired. And if we don't escape the grip of the same socialist who have destroyed Europe and handed it over to its enemies we will see the same thing happen here in 1-2 generations with the Mexican invaders.
The EU is the prime example of what America should NEVER DO!
What the latest on America's First Aunt, Zeituni Onyango?
I thought we'd have a ruling by now.
We give BILLIONS in welfare to Israel. If not for Israel, this would not be a problem. The creation of Israel using TERRORISM (ref: Irgun, Stern Gang, King David Hotel bombing) showed the world "terrorism pays." It is not a nation any Christian should support for a variety of reason, not the least of which is they are venomously anti-Christians and SPIT ON CHRISTIANS and destroy churches there.
Will the left get comfort from feel-good gestures of welfare to jihadists after these same jihadists kill innocent people? Pray that we don't have to someday read that a "European court has ruled…….." in relation to us.
So, what will th Aussies do? Nothing but piss and moan because their Islamic population has grown too large.
And let's not forget the support the Reagan administration gave the Afghan Mujaheddin.
Reagan, the ultimate terrorist enabler!
Never pull a gun unless you intend to use it, lest your assailant take it and USE IT AGAINST YOU .
Time to put welfare back in the holster.
The United States government does fund the terrorists outright. it just depends what year it is and who they want to puppet.
One quick example: Mujahideen anyone? Anyone? Anyone?
Because you touch yourself at night, that's why.
Yup. Let's cut benefits across the board.
Idiot.
All the entitlements, for U.S. citizens, aliens or terrorists, are destroying the republic, just at different rates…
The Soviets were a little bit more of a threat. Think a little.
With such succinct and on point counterarguments, you must have been captain of the debate team…..
(that's sarcasm, for the cognitively challenged trolls who loiter here….)
Power.
Agreed.
The stupidity of government increases every day. Just amazing we even function. This is insane.
You're right, the world would be a better place right now if the Soviets had gone through the Middle East unimpeded.
That's right. Family, churches, and charities. That's the first comment you've make that makes any sense. Good for you.
No, cut benefits to those who could work if they chose to, to those who choose to deal narcotics instead of working, to those who are found guilty of gang related offenses, etc.
There is a unquestioned need for assistance for the old, the infirm, the disabled, but for the others, would it not be better to spend the money to help them to relocate to where there is work, or to retrain to be better able to work, and by doing so give them the ability to throw off the shackles of welfare dependence and improve their own means?
Your argument of reducto ad absurium is in itself, absurd, and makes you appear a fool.
Yeah…we'll batton down the hatches one way or another.When everyone runs out of money…or now. Look what the illegals here do to American's. They will try to throw fits like the greek.Better allow our police to stick up for themselves.You know,that's what criminals do.
Save for American children and old people,forget welfare.
I was on a jury here in NYC and saw firsthand the neglect in fraud investigation.Waste.Too bad.
Yup, no VA hospitals, no medicare, no medicaid, no social security or any of that socialist crap.
And since when did President Obama state that we should become more like Europe?
Please provide quotes.
Now you've gone back to being an idiot. That's not welfare. I said WELFARE. Learn to read. Idiot.
Government is the problem, not the solution.
Remember that little nugget of wisdom?
Never support crazy idiots, even if they are the enemy of your enemy.
That's what got us 9/11.
Actions speak louder than words, and surely you are not so willfully blind as to be unable to see his policies pushing this country toward the European welfare state model……….?
That's right. Government is the problem. Are you schizophrenic ? Things like social security should never have been enacted, but now the folks that have paid into them should get at least some of what they were promised. All those government ponzi schemes should be fazed out.
The V.A. should be part of the defense budget.
I guess you're right. We would have been much better off letting the Soviets walk right into the Middle East.
Are you seriously comparing TEA Partiers to the Mujahs…?
How much pot does it take exactly to believe that line of absolute BS…?
Put the bong down JK and step away from the lousy Johnny Knoxville movies, you are WAY too high to be considered anywhere near sane!
Or maybe you're just paranoid and see conspiracies where there are none?
Bush expanded Medicare without any regard towards any fiscal consequences and somehow I doubt that you believed that Bush was pushing this country towards the European welfare state model…
So since you disagreed with Bush expanding medicare, you must be in equal disagreement with Obama's health care plan and it's expected result of adding another 15 MILLION to the medicare rolls…….?
Think carefully before you answer, lest you dig a hole too deep to climb out of……..
Um, it's the Muslims who are destroying Christian churches and landmarks–NOT the Israelis.
The wall would never have fallen if the Soviets had control of the world's oil spigots.
"So I've come to Europe this week to renew our partnership, one in which America listens and learns from our friends and allies, " from Obama's speech in Europe in 2009
The V.A. is still welfare for a specific class of citizens, the difference being that it's a welfare program you, di_da_is_alpha, like and approve of.
That makes you a hypocrite.
If veterans want health insurance, they should get a job with health benefits or buy individual health insurance.
I don't see why I should have to subsidize them with my tax dollars.
Gives meaning to the phrase, "Too stupid to live."
Yeah, all those hippie dippies yelled that phrase all through the 60s. And what did they do for a solution? Created more government bureaucracy. Hypocrites.
There's no oil in Afghanistan.
And fighting via proxies who are also insane religious fanatics who, btw, also want to kill you is a bad idea.
I have recently been listening to a number of conservative speakers and related speakers that take opposing views who have video clips on YouTube. I recently listened to a conservative columnist named Mark
Steyn (go to YouTube and search on him) and heard him state something that just put it all together for me. His discussion was on " multiculturalism ", or as he calls it cultural relativism. He states that:
"If the purpose of your culture is to celebrate multiculture’s, in effect you are saying we believe in everything, which is the same as saying, we believe in nothing. In other words, your core value is that you have no core value. He calls it a cult of ignorance."
It's clear that the Europe and Great Britain cherishes and celebrates multiculturalism. Absolutely obama does and even Bush celebrated this ideology. That's what helped drive his illegal alien position. Celebrating nothing and
cherishing it will invite stronger cultures that do not share the multicultural doctrine to come in and take over. It is suicide for a nation to follow this belief. Nations that adhere to multiculturalism creates a vacuum that sucks in other dominant cultures and they take over. Europe is doomed. It's only when, not if. We are close behind with this administration.
Israel would be very happy to live in peace. It is the Arabs who impede that. You need to do more work on your understanding of history – or go peddle this tripe elsewhere.
The Middle East. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
That's why we need to get rid of our oil dependence.
The Middle East. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
That's why we need to get rid of our oil dependence.
Destabilizing a region is a well-known Soviet M.O. It's no coincidence the Soviets stirred up trouble between Iran and Iraq at the same time they were fighting in Afghanistan.
Read a little history. Maybe you'll learn something.
You're stupid. Turn off the tv and read for a change.
VA is an EARNED BENEFIT, not a handout.
If UAW retirees are entitled to their EARNED BENEFIT of health care paid by their former employer, then the absolute least our country can do is provide same to our veterans, who put their lives on the line for your sorry ass.
The V.A. is a welfare program, except it's welfare for people you like.
But I guess it's easy to be generous with other people's money, right?
"They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them." — Baroness Thatcher
You have to admit that picture is hilarious or it would be if it weren't so telling. Um hello fellow readers of Biggovernment.com I hate to be the one to break this to you, but are you prepared for world w@r? I'm not calling for it, but if you look around at all the nonsense that Political Correctness has gotten us you will see battles ready to be waged at any moment in more than one location at a time. I just read about LiveOak School, the 200 Hispanics STUDENTS staged a walk out over American Flags being worn on their holiday. Their Holiday? This is the US of A not Mexico. Greece, well that civil unrest has already started, they don't want concessions, they want other EU countries to pay for their continued government waste. England is bending over backward to give everyone welfare, how long can that last? Muslims are threatening South Park for the mere reference of Mohamed. A bomb failed in Times Square. The voilence over AZ's new immigration law, threats of violence over that. I see civil unrest every where I look, just how long can tax paying, law abiding citizens put up with this crap, I don't just mean in the USofA either. If I were in England paying those taxes, finding out my taxes are FUNDING TERRORISTS come on. Really how long can the Silent Majority remain silent and still against these kind of 'stick pokers'? Make the rounds on the non-Lame Stream Media news sites and it will blow your mind, all the stupid Political Correct nonsense and how people are using it as a shield and a weapon to beat the tax payer into submission. When did tax payers cease to have rights? 47% of Americans did not pay taxes in 2009, I was not one of them and the only hand outs I'm seeing are the ones to other people and not me.
Well, UK, that's what you get for surrendering your sovereignty to the European collective.
No, it's part of the contract they signed when they insisted (or were drafted).
It's like a lifetime health insurance policy that's part of their severance package. Sooo….I'm not a hypocrite. But you still are an idiot.
BDS rears it’s head everytime O’Dumbo does something stupid. With idiot liberals running loose the country is done. They think they can wag a finger and all will be well for them. Won’t happen, they go to the gas chamber with everyone else, most likely since everyone knows they’re traitors they will go to the head of the line.
Bush wanted to turn the US into a European welfare state.
Are we in agreement on this?
lol, the Soviet system was going to collapse anyway much like the U.S. will collapse not from a terrorist threat but internal forces.
Guns or butter caribbeany?
Welfare is, by definition, unearned. Therefore, veterans' benefits cannot be properly called welfare.
Veterans' benefits are completely earned. The sad thing is, many soldiers die on the battlefield, and can never access that particular benefit.
Now you're beyond stupid. If you buy a new car with a 60,000 mile warranty, is the warranty 'welfare'. Go back to conversing with your sock puppets, they're more in line with you intelligence level.
What, create fiat money system? Too late for that.
Iraq invaded Iran and we encouraged it.
Iraq was our ally and we gave Saddam Hussein money, weapons, and encouraged his expansionist policies towards Iran.
The enemy of my enemy policy doesn't work and only makes things worse.
Not precisely – Bush didn't engage in government takeovers of nearly half the economy, for one thing….forcing the entire country into socialized medicine against the will of the majority of the citizentry does, however, qualify as pushing us toward the European model, even though current events in Europe prove that model is unsustainable, as our own government is now admitting, piece by piece. Reference the most recent reports of the CBO, the Nedicare actualy, and others……
And still, "he did it, why can't I??" is a childish argument to make, and is equally fallacious now as it was at age 10
You cried about Bush's spending, but have no argument with Obama spending 4x as much..
You whined about the Patriot act and invasion of privacy, but when Obama expanded on it you spoke not a word….
You moan about Bush adding a program to medicare, but sleep soundly as Obama adds the ENTIRE COUNTRY to it
Can you see now why you have no credibility here?
Obama is Bush the III. They both favor a large central government and meddling around the world.
I concur.
But policy is worth a thousand speeches…..
Welfare consists of actions or procedures striving to promote the basic well-being of individuals in need.
There's nothing in the definition of welfare if it's earned or unearned.
And the V.A. program is a welfare program paid for my tax dollars, set up by unelected federal bureaucrats.
You're a veteran and you didn't save up for your retirement?
Tough luck.
Then you must be against Obamacare……
I buy a Toyota with a mile warranty, it's a voluntary contract between two non-government entities. Nobody forced me to buy this car.
In the case of veterans' benefits, my tax dollars are forcibly taken from me and given to a freeloader who didn't bother to save for his/her retirement, according to a "contract" that some unelected federal bureaucrat wrote and that I'm supposed to accept?
WHEN WILL ALL OF THE BRAIN DEAD PROGRESSIVES WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES! tHE MUSLIMS ARE THE PROBLEM WITH WHOLE WORLD! tHE SOONER WE FORCE THEM TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES THE BETTER. tHEY KEEP THEIR OIL AND THEY CAN EAT IT TOO! iF aMERICA WOULD JUST USE ITS OWN NATURAL RESOURCES WE WOULDN'T NEED THEM AND WE COULD LEAVE IN THEIR OWN LITTLE 8TH CENTURY HELL HOLE OF THEIR OWN CHOSING!
You got owned in this argument.
You should rethink big and small government. You are what's wrong with the conservatives.
hate to say it, but you owned them in this argument.
"…..Never support crazy idiots, even if they are the enemy of your enemy……"
sounds noble there Freebie,….until,……. reality sets in
Today of all days,…VE day,…….. remember,…..?????
The eastern front and the western front,……..sorta like,….
one hand washing the other,….. and,………..
kinda puts the kabash on your noble statement,…..ay Freebie.
but like the Reagan years,..that was then and this is now,…………..
and for now, I trongly suggest that ,………
we keep our eyes on that little boy in the picture.
I think your judgment is seriously flawed. Do you two share a basement?
Oh my God,…………you knocked the Speech out of Free,……….
his new name from here on will be……… "Silence is Golden"
The Soviets would have lasted longer with all of the butter their guns would have gotten them if they had made it into the middle east. You're thinking micro, this is macro. It is not a choice between guns and butter, it is a choice between being killed and being safe.
Only if the scoring is limited to name calling and evasion
The difference is that Obama did not campaign on "small government" being part of his policies.
Bush did the classical "small business, stay out of the way, cut spending, etc." and then did the opposite.
At least Obama's consistent in his policies.
with Obama, 'A speech does not TRUTH make" either
I'll take #3 over what we are becoming, which is a #2. The hyphenated description has become the solvent that dissolves the glue that make us an American culture.
Once again, you evaded the question
Do you, or do you not, support Obamacare?
Take a stand, moral equivalency is not a virtue……
So, who's forcing you to live in this country ? Part of the price of a new car is the cost of covering cars that have already been sold and are covered under warranty. Part of being an American is paying for those that have fought for your freedom.
You know very well here that we're talking about social welfare payments provided by the government, under certain conditions.
Such as the V.A.
A Soviet-controlled Iran would have been a far more destabilizing force in the region and the world. As taxpayer1234 said, read a little history. Cleaning up the mess left over in the mideast is definitely preferable to the cold war still going on.
The VA, like the GI bill,…….are payment for,….. services rendered.
every day you are free is the result of that service.
"…..it's welfare for people you like…….."
are you still spending the majority of your time,….
in a college classroom there Freebie……………….???????
For your sake,..I certainly hope so,……………..
otherwise,…….. you really don't belong here.
Yeah, keep on cheering for benefits for federal employees while complaining about big government.
Actually, you did…..
""The United States government does fund the terrorists outright. it just depends what year it is and who they want to puppet.
One quick example: Mujahideen anyone? Anyone? Anyone? ""
You state that the US funds terrorists, then call Mujahideen a "quick example" . Example of what? Since the topic of your post was the US funding terrorists, then the logical connection of your "example" is comparing funding the Mujahideen in their fight against the invading Soviets to funding terrorists.
Either your english composition sucks, or you're just trying to squirm away from your original staement.
Either way……… Fail.
No,…….. I got drafted,……1965.
I sure wish you would tell us about this "conservative" concept of yours there Johnnie.
Sock puppets,
So you're arguing for benefits for federal employees?
I don't think you're on the right web site.
You see, while this site is called "biggoverment.com", it's actually against big government.
But I understand how big government cheerleaders such as yourself could get confused.
Try unsustainable deficit spending for social welfare programs………
Less than 20% of the oil we import comes from the middle east. Most of it comes from canada and mexico.
You should turn off MSNBC and get out more. Really.
That is not true.
Be careful what you ask for:
-Medicare's total unfunded liability is 89 trillion
-Social Security's total unfunded liability is 18 billion
I think the sarcasm is useless when the proof of such government created and run programs are too inept to be functional and sustainable.
You spend time on a website against big government arguing for benefits for federal employees, retired and otherwise?
You're the one who doesn't belong here.
Right, big government, not ALL government. A little government is necessary. How little, that's the question, and all reasonable suggestions should be considered. But your ' all or nothing' attitude is just plain ridiculous.
On a slightly more lighthearted note and a bit disgusting, it took me until I was 43 and moved to California to find out that there is an alternate meaning to Tossed Salad and now I have to giggle and roll my eyes when I hear it. People can find filth in anything. I like #1 the best, we should blend in and make common courtesy our greatest asset. It seems every country now is seeing an influx of foreigners who refuse to assimilate and are bringing terror with them. I fear for England, at one point in History they were the greatest military force, right now they cower to their immigrants, because their immigrants have them by their politically correct balls and one small twist and they are doomed. As Times Square, the crotch bomber and fort hood has shown us we are very vulnerable as well. It's like a well crafted game of chess. Slowly you put your pieces in the right spot and then it's all over for your opponent.
What is this silly,…..'People they don't like and People they do like"
I payed into Social Security for the first time in the summer 1959.
last month I got my first SS check……….
Personally I would have preferred handling my own affairs all those years.
and today I would agree to just taking half of what I put in and let Obama,…
keep the rest,…..but that's all out of my hands,…………
So anyway let me ask you,……..am I on welfare,,,,,, am I liked,……am I not liked,………
Please tell me……???????
Big government, not all government. You're outta your league here, sonny, regardless of what Knox says.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnNYN8sKbQ&fe...
Welfare for me, but not for thee…
Obama and our children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnNYN8sKbQ&fe...
Restore the Rrepublic,
God Bless America
It's not welfare if you pay for it, sonny.
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