Greece’s Problem Is High Tax Rates, not Tax Evasion
by Dan MitchellThe New York Times has an article describing widespread tax evasion in Greece, along with an implication that the country’s fiscal crisis is largely the result of unpaid taxes and could be mostly solved if taxpayers were more obedient to the state. This is grossly inaccurate. A quick look at the budget numbers reveals that tax revenues have remained relatively constant in recent years, consuming nearly 40 percent of GDP. The burden of government spending, by contrast, has jumped significantly and now exceeds 50 percent of Greek economic output.
The article also is flawed in assuming that harsher enforcement is the key to compliance. As the video shows, even the economists at the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development admit that tax evasion is driven by high tax rates (which is remarkable since the OECD is the international bureaucracy pushing for global tax rules to undermine tax competition and reduce fiscal sovereignty).
Ironically, the New York Times article quotes Friedrich Schneider of Johannes Kepler University in Austria, but only to provide an estimate of Greece’s shadow economy. The reporter should have looked at an article that Schneider wrote for the International Monetary Fund, which found that:
Macroeconomic and microeconomic modeling studies based on data for several countries suggest that the major driving forces behind the size and growth of the shadow economy are an increasing burden of tax and social security payments… The bigger the difference between the total cost of labor in the official economy and the after-tax earnings from work, the greater the incentive for employers and employees to avoid this difference and participate in the shadow economy. …Several studies have found strong evidence that the tax regime influences the shadow economy. …In Austria, the burden of direct taxes (including social security payments) has been the biggest influence on the growth of the shadow economy… Other studies show similar results for the Scandinavian countries, Germany, and the United States. In the United States, analysis shows that as the marginal federal personal income tax rate increases by one percentage point, other things being equal, the shadow economy grows by 1.4 percentage points. …A study of Quebec City in Canada shows that people are highly mobile between the official and the shadow economy, and that as net wages in the official economy go up, they work less in the shadow economy. This study also emphasizes that where people perceive the tax rate as too high, an increase in the (marginal) tax rate will lead to a decrease in tax revenue.
It is worth noting the Schneider’s research also shows why Obama’s tax policy is very misguided. The President wants to boost the top tax rate by nearly five percentage points, and that’s on top of the big increase in the tax rate on saving and investment included in Obamacare. Based on Schneider’s research, we can expect America’s underground economy to expand.
Shifting back to Greece, Schneider does not claim that tax rates are the only factor determining compliance. But his research indicates that more onerous enforcement regimes are unlikely to put much of a dent in tax evasion unless accompanied by better tax policy (i.e., lower tax rates). Moreover, compliance also is undermined by the rampant corruption and incompetence of the Greek government, but that problem won’t be solved unless politicians reduce the size and scope of the public sector. Needless to say, that’s not very likely. So when I read some of the details in this excerpt from the New York Times, much of my sympathy is for taxpayers rather than the greedy politicians that turned Greece into a fiscal mess:
In the wealthy, northern suburbs of this city, where summer temperatures often hit the high 90s, just 324 residents checked the box on their tax returns admitting that they owned pools. So tax investigators studied satellite photos of the area — a sprawling collection of expensive villas tucked behind tall gates — and came back with a decidedly different number: 16,974 pools. That kind of wholesale lying about assets, and other eye-popping cases that are surfacing in the news media here, points to the staggering breadth of tax dodging that has long been a way of life here. …Such evasion has played a significant role in Greece’s debt crisis, and as the country struggles to get its financial house in order, it is going after tax cheats as never before. …To get more attentive care in the country’s national health system, Greeks routinely pay doctors cash on the side, a practice known as “fakelaki,” Greek for little envelope. And bribing government officials to grease the wheels of bureaucracy is so standard that people know the rates. They say, for instance, that 300 euros, about $400, will get you an emission inspection sticker. …Various studies have concluded that Greece’s shadow economy represented 20 to 30 percent of its gross domestic product. Friedrich Schneider, the chairman of the economics department at Johannes Kepler University of Linz, studies Europe’s shadow economies; he said that Greece’s was at 25 percent last year and estimated that it would rise to 25.2 percent in 2010.






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High, progressive tax rates don't work? Hmmm.I guess it depends on how you look at it. If you want to install a Communist Totalitarian Regime, Marx said this is one of your very first objectives. Hmmm.What?? BHO wants to install a CTR? Say it ain't so! ;^) +Hanzo+
Mitchell's gone way overboard this time. The wealthy elite in Greece need to show a bit of patriotism and pull their fair share.
So you're saying America is a communist regime? After all, we have a progressive tax system.
You right wingers don't seem to understand that the rich take the most out of society, so they should give back at a higher rate.
I do not disagree Garrett but we have over 47% who consume much and contribute nothing. That is a major issue.
Conservatives beat their chests about being tough on crime, but think tank stooges like Mitchell suddenly get soft-hearted when it comes to enforcing tax laws. Tax laws – in Greece and in America – are the result of the democratic process. I don't care whether the top rate is 30 percent or 90 percent, the rich have an obligation to obey the law.
Yes, there is such a thing as the common good.
High taxes to support the welfare state of high union pensions and union salaries with people receiving pay for 14-16 months of pay for a 12 month year.
Karl Marx was wrong and Adam Smith was right. The sociaIists need to admit to the world that they were wrong so the world can move forward. The IMF notion we need a world government to manage and prolong the Ponzi scheme madness is from the bitter clingers of Utopian mysticism and superstition trying to double down on Marx.
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Under the NYT reasoning all the people leaving California in droves is the reason for that states' financial problems. I guess it doesn't occur to these idiots that it is tax and spend policies coupled with servitude of the middle and upper class to over-regulating bureaucrats and politicians whose endgame is to stay in perpetual power as the actual reason for the aforementioned financial meltdown.
The Rich provide jobs and most of the capital to feed expansion of the economy. What exactly are they taking? What about the 47% that pay no federal income taxes but use services that are funded by those taxes? Your logic is illogical Petey
So it's only the rich that are avoiding taxes? Where did you get that stat?
Big tax increases are in the works and the "shadow economy" will do as described. The government is well aware of this effect and has put the 1099 reporting of commercial transactions in the "Obamacare" bill and the personal banking record rules in the "finance manipulation" bill. I would guess that gold will come under scrutiny as it did in the 1930's. Elimination of the $100 and $50 dollar bill to make transport of money difficult could be next.
Illegal immigrants and welfare crowds work for cash and pay noting. That economy is pretty damned huge too.
Garrett…have you ever worked for a poor man???
Margret Thacher aid it best…'Eventually, the socialists run out of 'other people's money'…..
What planet are you on? Don't you realize that most people will do their best to pay the least taxes possible? If you want to pay more, go ahead.
And if anyone commits a crime with their taxes, I am all for the appropriate penalties. Whether the person is a billionaire or an illegal alien (translation: undocumented worker for all you libs out there).
What cretins have we put in charge of the economy?
Hey Frenchie…let us tax ze bourguois! Zen we get 2-hour lunch breaks, 10-week vacations and a low unemployment rate at like ze 15%!
OK. Blame failed tax policy on the taxpayers. And the holocaust was the fault of the jews.
Ok 'Equal Pay Gal', I expect you're in full support of the Arizona immigration law? I wouldn't think a liberal could walk into a hypocritical argument so easily…that never happens….
Most of the people I know with money worked their ass off for it and never took anything! They supplied jobs and at least, positive productivity to the markets and the country.
The people with the real money are telling you to hate the right and the rich, and to trust them while they take more of our wealth and our ability to gain it back.
9 to 12 TRILLION DOLLARS from the American people so far and counting.
We are experiencing the largest theft of personal property in the history of the world and
the right is watching, getting ripped off and being blamed for it.
The average right wingers ARE the “working people” of this country, and the majority and we’re pissed.
There's no need to even talk about these things anymore…if you think progressive economic policies work, you're an idiot. No need to sugarcoat it
Ever increasing taxes on the working class has forced "us" into having a two income family. When I count income taxes (state and fed), sales tax, property tax, etc., I pay nearly 60% to government. We have politician's so quick to think up more spending measures. The health care debacle will cost us more than they though. Higher taxes will be inevitable.
What Greece is going through right now can easily happen here. You progressives have to stop the class envy thing. I've never been employed by a poor person. This spending will eventually kill this golden goose.
Socialists created most of our tax laws.
And the common good is a global cooling shroud of ash from of the burning remains of both.
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Equal pay Gal; The poor also have an obligation to obey the law but most pay ZERO Taxes. Why don't you plant a Vegetable garden and I will walk in and take all YOUR Vegetables for free because I need them , because I never planted my own garden. Why should I when I can just take yours. This is what you believe… defacto Communism….
Hard to believe how many stupid Americans we have to deal with who believe in Comunism and Socialism and have NO CONCEPT of LIBERTY. Very soon they will find out what they have wrought………
Bailing out Greece is like bailing out California
Unless fundamental changes are made the bail-out becomes only a temporary fix…
Like heroin to a junkie, it last only until the drug works its way thru the body, then out…losing the required effect…
Greece, Spain, California and the other PIGS, need an austerity program AND a good economy, otherwise these bail out are money down the rathole…
"………….Most of the people I know with money worked their ass off for it………"
except for those "right wing" Kennedys
In Greece, entitlements are off the charts, specifically public sector union goodies; retire at 50 with full pay; 14 months of benefits (extra @ Easter, extra@ Christmas). 4 weeks paid vacation. What the NYT refuses to point out is that the end game for Progressive entitlement societies (just like ours is becoming so, so fast) is default or currency debasement. Since the NYT has its head up the Administation's rectum, we never get the true picture.
Oh mom,…………..we HAVE all been WORKING for the (stay at home) poor man,…..
for the longest time
The other day Biggovernment Soren Dayton posted thishttp://biggovernment.com/sdayton/2010/04/30/dodd-...
I said "have you heard of Greece?" or something like that. Two stories that could be interchangeable. I wonder how far the US is from being Greece. With BHO at the helm, it can't be too far.
I had a very scary thought this morning. I heard the other day that China is drilling for oil in the gulf (and some others). We owe so much money to China!! What if we can't pay? What's to keep China from marching on to our soil and start drilling? We have huge reserves in the mid-west. They practically own the US. They will be drilling for oil when we can't. They will bring in their military to protect their interests and we will officially be OCCUPIED!
Tax evasion is a symptom of the problems. High taxation and the government usurpation over basic adult responsibilities like managing one's own healthcare, have nullified human instincts like altruism. Socialism has turned much of Europe into misers, more concerned with keeping their slice of the government pie and seeing how much they can get away with under-the-table and out of reach from government tax collectors.
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An extraordinary look at the best way out of economic crisis
Ever since America descended into economic crisis the comparisons to the Great Depression have come fast and furious. Incredibly, we have heard almost nothing about a much more recent economic calamity: the ruinous "stagflation" of the 1970s—the second-worst decade in American economic history. But now, in the riveting, groundbreaking book Econoclasts, historian Brian Domitrovic reminds us that the twentieth century’s greatest economic counterrevolution emerged in response to that crisis: supply-side economics.
In a pulsing narrative, Domitrovic tells the remarkable story of the economists, journalists, Washington staffers, and (ultimately) politicians who showed America how to get out of the 1970s funk and ushered in an unprecedented quarter-century run of growth and opportunity. Here we meet Robert Mundell, the brilliant economist who held court over martinis in a Manhattan steakhouse; his gregarious cohort Arthur Laffer, chief economist on the president’s budget staff at the tender age of thirty; Robert Bartley, the Wall Street Journal’s reticent editorial-page editor who became the first impresario of supply-side economics; Jack Kemp, the football-star-turned-congressman who led the fight to turn supply-side theory into practice; Norman Ture, the relentless economic forecaster who faced down Alan Greenspan; Jude Wanniski, the eccentric, hot rod-driving reporter whose best-selling book touched off the supply-side revolution; and a host of other fascinating figures who helped upend the economic establishment.
Based on the author’s years of archival research, Econoclasts explodes numerous myths about supply-side economics, including its "creation myth"—the famous incident in which Laffer sketched a simple curve on a napkin. Domitrovic conclusively demonstrates that supply-side advocates did not invent a doctrine out of whole cloth. Their central insight was that the two massive means of governmental intrusion in the economy—the income tax and the Federal Reserve—play the primary role in starting and perpetuating any economic crisis. What’s more, Domitrovic shows that the specific combination of tax cuts and stable money had an unbroken record of success long before it went by the name "supply-side economics": in 1962, when JFK ended the economic sluggishness that had brought three recessions in Eisenhower’s eight-year presidency; in 1947, when the United States embarked on the postwar boom; and in 1922, when Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon inaugurated the Roaring ’20s by imploring the Fed to keep the price level stable and arranging for Congress to slash income-tax rates.
Econoclasts is a masterful narrative history in the tradition of Amity Shlaes’s The Forgotten Man and John Steele Gordon’s An Empire of Wealth. It is also impeccably timely: this is a story we must know if we are to understand the foundations of America’s prosperity—foundations that are now under increasing attack.
God Bless America
If you are going to cut and paste a book review, at least credit the source as Honest Abe would have done. god bless America
Wow… the right wing fear has gotten to you. I think you have lost any modicum of perspective.
The debt collector always wins. Maybe not in an occupied state, but China will be able to leverage this at some point.
Flan
CA has a similar bucket with a bigger hole…
I think the libs in the Legislature are pissing in it now…
They shut off the water!!!
Agreed high taxes are a big problem for Greece, but it is my understanding that corruption is a big problem there too. Including tax evasion.
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I have found the book, and game plan that has worked over and over for all of U.S.. This is the best way to restore our economic future, and for prosperity too return once again.
An extraordinary look at the best way out of economic crisis
Ever since America descended into economic crisis the comparisons to the Great Depression have come fast and furious. Incredibly, we have heard almost nothing about a much more recent economic calamity: the ruinous "stagflation" of the 1970s—the second-worst decade in American economic history. But now, in the riveting, groundbreaking book Econoclasts, historian Brian Domitrovic reminds us that the twentieth century’s greatest economic counterrevolution emerged in response to that crisis: supply-side economics.
In a pulsing narrative, Domitrovic tells the remarkable story of the economists, journalists, Washington staffers, and (ultimately) politicians who showed America how to get out of the 1970s funk and ushered in an unprecedented quarter-century run of growth and opportunity. Here we meet Robert Mundell, the brilliant economist who held court over martinis in a Manhattan steakhouse; his gregarious cohort Arthur Laffer, chief economist on the president’s budget staff at the tender age of thirty; Robert Bartley, the Wall Street Journal’s reticent editorial-page editor who became the first impresario of supply-side economics; Jack Kemp, the football-star-turned-congressman who led the fight to turn supply-side theory into practice; Norman Ture, the relentless economic forecaster who faced down Alan Greenspan; Jude Wanniski, the eccentric, hot rod-driving reporter whose best-selling book touched off the supply-side revolution; and a host of other fascinating figures who helped upend the economic establishment.
Based on the author’s years of archival research, Econoclasts explodes numerous myths about supply-side economics, including its "creation myth"—the famous incident in which Laffer sketched a simple curve on a napkin. Domitrovic conclusively demonstrates that supply-side advocates did not invent a doctrine out of whole cloth. Their central insight was that the two massive means of governmental intrusion in the economy—the income tax and the Federal Reserve—play the primary role in starting and perpetuating any economic crisis. What’s more, Domitrovic shows that the specific combination of tax cuts and stable money had an unbroken record of success long before it went by the name "supply-side economics": in 1962, when JFK ended the economic sluggishness that had brought three recessions in Eisenhower’s eight-year presidency; in 1947, when the United States embarked on the postwar boom; and in 1922, when Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon inaugurated the Roaring ’20s by imploring the Fed to keep the price level stable and arranging for Congress to slash income-tax rates.
Econoclasts is a masterful narrative history in the tradition of Amity Shlaes’s The Forgotten Man and John Steele Gordon’s An Empire of Wealth. It is also impeccably timely: this is a story we must know if we are to understand the foundations of America’s prosperity—foundations that are now under increasing attack.
God Bless America
Damn right! I am considered "rich", but I am the working rich. I don't have a trust fund or rich parents to give me the luxury of being a limosine liberal. I have worked my ass offf my entire life to get where I am from lower middle class origins. And I love these billionaires like Paulson, Soros, Bufffet, Gates – who want to pull up the drawbridge on capitalism AFTER they made their billions. I think ol Garrett is going to see just how much the "rich" "take "when they stop giving in taxes because there is no more incentive to work. then this whole redistribution thingy doesn't work and the 47% are in real trouble.
Reading comprehension not your forte', garrett? Did I say America's a communist regime? You're such a typical progressive. I'm not a 'right winger', dipshit. Just because I know history dosen't mean I'm a 'right winger'.
How about this, you liberal morons don't seem to understand that the 'rich' give the most to society. Like jobs.
Whether you are too dense to realize it or not, a heavy progressive income tax is straight out of the Communist Manifesto.Read it and understand history, and the future……….and try to put a little thought into your next post. +Hanzo+
I never said the tax cuts kept the middle class from getting more money, I was saying that tax cuts don't do anything to improve those chances. They just make the rich richer with no discernible benefit to the rest of us.
Obama is troubled that people think govts do bad things, yeah wars are nuthin, whats evil is the corporations that pollute a river, yeah good govt. needs to watch them and make sure they are good, free markets dont work
Of course, tax cuts to those who pay little or no taxes, talking Fed. income tax, will be small in relation to a tax cut to someone who pays huge taxes. That doesn't negate the need for the cut. As the rich get richer what do they do with that wealth? Bury it in the back yard? doubtful, Invest it? yes, some, maybe even in the business you work in, providing more capital to that company to grow. Spend it? yes, at the car dealer, the dress shops, art galleries, construction companies, tour companies, private jet manufacturers, etc.etc. When I tended bar I loved my rich customers….they tipped well and spent alot. I loved my less well healed customers too but they didn't spread the wealth around quite as well as did the rich. Would that we had more rich people.
"The bigger the difference between the total cost of labor in the official economy and the after-tax earnings from work, the greater the incentive for employers and employees to avoid this difference and participate in the shadow economy."
This is something that the FAIR Tax advocates need to keep in mind with respect to compliance. The main reason why there is good compliance with income taxes at the rates contemplated for the FAIR tax is because of involuntary withholding by employers before an employee even sees his or her money. The high VATs in Europe also help drive parts of the economy underground.
I should add that effective taxation requires voluntary compliance. When a significant number of people don't pay their taxes voluntarily, the government has to spend more on compliance enforcement and needs to enact ever more draconian laws to try to force compliance until it reaches a point where it simply can't control compliance. When people feel taxes are fair and there is only a modest incentive to cheat, most will comply with them voluntarily. When they don't feel they are fair and there is a large incentive to cheat, most will stop complying with them fully. If you live in a state with a sales tax and buy things over the Internet and don't pay taxes on them, did you pay a use tax on them, because I'm betting your state law requires you to if they have a sales tax.
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Look at Singapore or Hong Kong compared to China and there is no way in hell anyone can fight for more taxes and regulations vs free markets and competition.
Mitchell is "soft-hearted" because he says harsher enforcement of tax laws won't pull Greece out of this crisis? Maybe you could make that argument if he said that the rich SHOULD evade paying taxes, but he never says that.
If Obama truly wanted to get this economy moving again, He would have got Art on his administration staff yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71U2m18CmVQ
God Bless America
It is called copy and paste.
Even if you personally type out each letter, it's still plagiarism and not very honest… Abe.
Supply side economics has proven over and over too work for econmoic freedom. The most proven teqniqes, and policys ever. History shows this time, and time again. If you want the government to control you, stay on the path of Obama. If not read and study history.
http://www.nationalreview.com/kudlows-money-polit...
God Bless America
Need I remind you that a big part of what started the foundation of the United States was a tax protest (The Boston Tea Party)? When tax rates become confiscatory and people believe they are unfair, they will stop complying with them. We can argue about whether that's right or wrong but it is the way it is.
BEGGARS OF THE EU
Where is your national pride vre's? 30 years of welfare handouts and their mentality is that they can take take take of others and never pay back.
They should be kicked out of the EU full stop. Why should the Germans work until they are 67 whilst the lazy Greeks in Greece enjoy their midday snoozes and retire young and get 80% of their public service wage?
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That actually makes pretty good sense dude.
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may I use your comment as a quote??
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YOU PEOPLE ARE idiots.
Im surprised any of you are actually responding to this idiot of an article.
Did you know that doctors there dont pay tax. People who make over 100,000 there dont pay much tax at all.
Ever heard of Denmark? They have a nearly 50% tax rate, and a less than 1% evasion rate, and they're one of the wealthiest nations in the world.
Learn something before you spout Republican Trickle-down nonsense.
[...] tax havens and low tax initiatives. I found one of his recent posts on the front page of Digg.com (here) where he criticized a Times article regarding the Greek debt crisis: A quick look at the budget [...]
Can you please develop your argument? There is no data!
Stam you are right.
The problem we have in Greece is that we have a culture of arrogant dependence. As a Greek who has worked overseas for many years I am embarrassed by the economic policies of my old homeland. Only idiots protest because they now have to declare correct income. Many outside Greece don't know this, but Papandreou's dad was responsible for the problem Greece is in. His son was blessed by all the benefits that Papandreou Snr received – much of it corruptly – and now he is telling Greeks to endure pain. We are told that it is not our problem – but the US and Germany and others that cause our problems. They try to move our gaze from their corruption by provoking Turkey and by breaking agreements and harassing FYR Macedonia. On September 11 – Greeks were cheering – and for me, that was what made me feel like I am not really 'Greek' anymore. Maybe Takis Michas was right; Greece does belong in the Middle East, not Europe.
Typical Americans.(I'm one) Isolationists who think the only place on earth is the united states. This article was very well put together talking about how business and tax collection is handled in another country and people have to start talking dems vs republicans, liberals vs conservatives. I see the snow job the US political system has perpetrated on you has worked very well. Instead of discussing the issues, its just a bunch of naming calling no better than yankees fans yelling at red sox fans. its blue vs red. north vs south. This isn't some sporting event, this is global politics. What happens in other countries can have a massive effect on the GDP of this country. The entire EU is about to go through what we did two years ago. They unfortunately have governments and a society much more steeped in traditions that do not work inside the chalk lines of economic 101 text books. It should be interesting to see how the EU does things differently to handle the crisis and the results. For all of you US government bashers, I think you will be pleasantly surprised at our results in the long run.
You may now go back to screaming about the government taking over your right to arms, or whatever.. I didn't see anyone going crazy when the government was spying on its own citizens or did away with due process(habeas corpus)
Stam you are right.
The problem we have in Greece is that we have a culture of arrogant dependence. As a Greek who has worked overseas for many years I am embarrassed by the economic policies of my old homeland. Only idiots protest because they now have to declare correct income. Many outside Greece don't know this, but Papandreou's dad was responsible for the problem Greece is in. His son was blessed by all the benefits that Papandreou Snr received – much of it corruptly – and now he is telling Greeks to endure pain. We are told that it is not our problem – but the US and Germany and others that cause our problems. They try to move our gaze from their corruption by provoking Turkey and by breaking agreements and harassing FYR Macedonia. On September 11 – Greeks were cheering – and for me, that was what made me feel like I am not really 'Greek' anymore. Maybe Takis Michas was right; Greece does belong in the Middle East, not Europe.
Paging Dr.Freud again. I'm not going to go into your asinine comments.Why? "The snow job…..has worked very well on you". Blah blah blah. In the first place, the U.S.A. is not supposed to be embroiled in global politics.Have you ever read the Constitution? Have you ever studies the writings, memoirs, etc., of the FF's. Obviously not.
You are just another Progressive/Fascist who wants to cede all of our sovreign to a distinctly corrupt totalitarian regime, the UN. Yeah, your buddies in the EU have done a sterling job so far in the financial realm. Not to mention the host of other problems that are about to overwhelm their entire system. If you love Europe sooooo much, move there. They are the inventors of Fascism and Communism, you know, and that's how they'll deal with their problems. I would debate you on this issue, but I can see you're not worth it. I WILL teach you a lesson on history, which is the future.+Hanzo+
You need to read materials by von Mises and Haydek. +Hanzo+
Two excellent authors~ Ludwig Mises and Friedrich Haydek. +Hanzo+
They supply jobs. I never got hired by a poor person.
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There is no talk yet from any of these articles commenting on Greece's cuts, as to what they will do with the NUMBER of people on the public sector payroll. For as long as I've known, politicians insert relatives into positions that are vacated by people retiring, but are not necessarily needed. Walk into a government building and you see a sea of desks with many of them empty.
They need to have an analysis done as to how many postitions are actually needed at various levels for all the necessary jobs within the government, and stop automatically allowing people in power to assign replacements to a position!
There is no talk yet from any of these articles commenting on Greece's cuts, as to what they will do with the NUMBER of people on the public sector payroll. For as long as I've known, politicians insert relatives into positions that are vacated by people retiring, but are not necessarily needed. Walk into a government building and you see a sea of desks with many of them empty.
They need to have an analysis done as to how many postitions are actually needed at various levels for all the necessary jobs within the government, and stop automatically allowing people in power to assign replacements to a position!
Kong, you are wrong about Adam Smith . He believed that regulation needs to favor the worker and not the master. He also wrote that the poor must be taken care of and that revenue take care of the public services – a free education, etc. He was an ethical man who was very concerned that the underclass be given help from the upperclass. He wanted equality for all regardless of gender, race, ethnicity and so on. He would be in favor of pensions, health insurance and other perks for the worker and the poor. KONG READ ADAM SMITH'S BOOKS AND LEARN WHY YOU ARE WRONG!
Kong, you are wrong about Adam Smith . He believed that regulation needs to favor the worker and not the master. He also wrote that the poor must be taken care of and that revenue take care of the public services – a free education, etc. He was an ethical man who was very concerned that the underclass be given help from the upperclass. He wanted equality for all regardless of gender, race, ethnicity and so on. He would be in favor of pensions, health insurance and other perks for the worker and the poor. KONG READ ADAM SMITH'S BOOKS AND LEARN WHY YOU ARE WRONG!
Greece and Spain won't pay back. The only thing Germans can do is:
REPOSES 170 Leopard 2AEX Battle Tanks from Greece, and 190 Leopard 2A6E Battle Tanks from Spain.
U.S.A must REPOSES 170 F-16 Jet Fighters from Greece, … the rest is gone with the wind …forever …
Greece must stop paying lucrative pensions with borrowed money, reform the free health care system, and cut down, 4 times the military budged.
Greece and Spain won't pay back. The only thing Germans can do is:
REPOSES 170 Leopard 2AEX Battle Tanks from Greece, and 190 Leopard 2A6E Battle Tanks from Spain.
U.S.A must REPOSES 170 F-16 Jet Fighters from Greece, … the rest is gone with the wind …forever …
Greece must stop paying lucrative pensions with borrowed money, reform the free health care system, and cut down, 4 times the military budged.
Greece and Spain won't pay back. The only thing Germans can do is:
REPOSES 170 Leopard 2AEX Battle Tanks from Greece, and 190 Leopard 2A6E Battle Tanks from Spain.
U.S.A must REPOSES 170 F-16 Jet Fighters from Greece, … the rest is gone with the wind …forever …
Greece must stop paying lucrative pensions with borrowed money, reform the free health care system, and cut down, 4 times the military budged.
The one poster that claimed politics have gone virulent, disrespectful, and filled with pointless propaganda on both sides is very correct. The reason that 47% of Americans can’t afford to pay taxes is that there indeed has been a huge redisribution of wealth in America. At the time of that old “socialist” Eisenhower (in my opinion a great General and a very good President) the poorer and middle classes owned around 60% of the nation’s total wealth and the wealthiest around 40%. The very richest paid federal income tax at a rate of more than 90%. Today those figures are almost completely reversed. The Bush W. tax cuts gave the wealthiest so far around 700 billion dollars in tax cuts. At the same time that was happening, there apparently was very little reinvestment in America but much in a stock market that had been freed to produce what used to be illegal kinds of paper get-rich-quick risks without the true conservative checks on them produced in FDR’s Glass-Steagal law, which was usurped by a new law authored by Texan Republican Senator Phil Gramms and two other Republicans. Unfortunately, Clinton and both the Democrats and Republicans in Congress went along with it (For very different reasons that I won’t get into right now.) Today the wealthiest, who don’t use all of the means to avoid taxes there are, pay around 35-38% federal taxes. Many as low as 17% when they tax haven their money, use the loopholes, capital invest, etc. The people right in the middle are the ones who actually get the green weenie. But I wonder how many of them would be willing to change place with all of those people who make less than 20 thousand a year and don’t have to pay taxes. Health insurance alone would consume more than half of their entire wages. A CEO on Wall Street or in the health insurance businesses would have to work less than a week to earn more than those workers do in a year. I respect the post on here that claimed its author had worked very hard to become rich (not the needless comment about some liberal born rich). Looking at everything, there seems to be a great imbalance that has nothing at all to do with so-called “socialism.” That word is so corrupted these days it’s become nearly meaningless. Some people yelling it could, by their faulty reasoning, much more accurately call Eisenhower or even Reagan socialists. Personally, if deficits are as harmful as they appear to be to the economic health of America and ALL of its people, it’s most likely going to take a combination on revenue (taxes) and judicial cuts to clean them up. Clinton could do it and so can the next Presidents, whether Republican or Democrat, but we’re going to have to quit the childish squabbling and do our share.
I don't buy that tax havens are a myth. When I visited the Cayman Islands all those banks were not mirages. It may be true that the great amount going there as a means to escape taxes is overstated. I don't know. I do know that all of the money that rests within the hands of the wealthiest has not all been made through an accountable, responsible, trustworthy and honest form of capitalism. Huge salaries and bonuses have been handed out to people that took their companies to the edge and in some cases over the edge to bankruptcy. The man in the position of leadership in Lehman Bros. left the company with at least 300+million and most likely 550+ millions. He's on the easiest of streets while thousands of his company's clients lost their retirements. There is a terrible conflict of interest when executives are rewarded for failure of this magnitude. Hewlitt-Packard gave the woman who had nearly bankrupted it a 44 million dollar golden parachute. Ironically, now she is running for Congress from California. Absolutely, there's a need to cut all of the needless pork in Washington, and a good start would be to develop campaign finance reform so politicians from both sides would not be so vulnerable to the bribes offered by influence-buying lobbyists there. Our problems are NOT the product of one political party and they will NOT be solved by one political party. It's going to take AMERICANS working together in as pragmatic a way possible to do that. If we can't put aside our political biases and self-righteousness long enough to do it, then I'll add my chicken little cry to the God Help Us crowd.
The 47% of Americans paying no taxes statistic is propaganda. It relies on a cherry picking of the numbers. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=...
The reasons why are covered in the post above mine.
Greece's problems are revenue related not spending related. Supply side economics has failed. It has never worked, all of history shows that.
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