Keynesian Economics and the Wizard of Oz
by Dan MitchellWhen Dorothy and her friends finally reach Oz, they present themselves to the almighty Wizard, only to eventually discover that he is just an illusion maintained by a charlatan hiding behind a curtain. This seems eerily akin to to the state of Keynesian economics. It does not matter that Keynesianism isn’t working for Obama. It does not matter that it didn’t work for Bush, or for Japan in the 1990s, or for Hoover and Roosevelt in the 1930s.

In the ultimate triumph of theory over reality, the Keynesians say all that matters is the macroeconomic model behind the curtain showing that more government spending leads to more jobs and growth. Consider the recent report from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), which claimed that Obama’s stimulus created at least one million jobs. As Brian Riedl of the Heritage Foundation noted:
CBO’s calculations are not based on actually observing the economy’s recent performance. Rather, they used an economic model that was programmed to assume that stimulus spending automatically creates jobs — thus guaranteeing their result. …The problem here is obvious. Once CBO decided to assume that every dollar of government spending increased GDP…, its conclusion that the stimulus saved jobs was pre-ordained.
But surely this can’t be true, you may be thinking. Our public servants in Washington would not make important policy decisions based on a model that automatically produces a certain result, would they? Peter Suderman of Reason pulls aside the curtain:
…those reports rely on assumption-packed models that effectively predetermine their outcomes; what they say, in essence, is that the stimulus worked because we assume it did. …That’s especially true when estimating government spending’s productive effects, which is accomplished by plugging numbers into a formula that assumes that government spending produces a multiplier—an increased return for every government dollar spent. In other words, it extrapolates from how much money is put in rather than from what has actually come out. And it does so using a formula that dictates that if money is put in, even more money will come out. According to the CBO’s estimates, depending on how the money is spent, one dollar of government spending can produce total economic activity of up to $2.50. What a deal! …for all practical purposes, the same multipliers that were used to predict how many jobs would be created are being used to estimate how many jobs have been created.
Interestingly, CBO’s analysis is completely schizophrenic. Its short-run budget numbers are based on free-lunch Keynesianism that assumes deficit-financed government spending boosts growth, while its long-run numbers are driven by an assumption that government borrowing is terrible for growth (which is why CBO actually claims higher taxes boost economic output – see, for example, Figure 3 of this CBO analysis). It is impossible to know whether the people at CBO actually believe their own work, or whether they are simply trying to please their political paymasters by producing results that (conveniently) match up with political preferences for more spending today and higher taxes tomorrow. You can draw your own conclusions, but keep in mind that CBO is now making the absurd claim that a giant new healthcare entitlement will reduce budget deficits.
But I digress. Let’s now give the defense of Keynesian model. The folks at CBO and other Keynesian who publish estimates that inevitably turn out to be wrong (Mark Zandi comes to mind) will claim that they are right because they are predicting results compared to what otherwise would have happened. So when they claim that Obama’s so-called stimulus created jobs, they are really saying that the economy would have lost even more jobs if the government didn’t spend all that money. The problem with this approach is that there is no independent benchmark, but this is not why Keynesianism is wrong. Indeed, most of the economic profession relies on this kind of “counterfactual” analysis. Instead, the problem with Keynesianism is that it fails the empirical test. The Keynesians may be good at constructing models, but that doesn’t mean much if the models don’t match the real world. Here’s what Kevin Hassett of the American Enterprise said in recent congressional testimony:
…most economists learned in graduate school that models like those relied upon most heavily by the CBO provide nonsensical results. The reason the original large scale Keynesian Macro forecasting models were discarded by most of the profession is that they make a simple logical error in assuming that individuals do not change their behavior based on the expectation of future policy. …Professor Barro has been one of the primary contributors to the macroeconomic time series literature that has tried to estimate effects from observed economic data, rather than assume affects, as is done by the Keynesian models. …Barro’s analysis is based on econometric evidence, a reliance on experience.
The CBO analysis is based almost exclusively on speculation within the context of Keynesian Macro models that were discredited decisively in the 1970s. …Dating at least back to the seminal work of Nelson (1972), economists have known that the empirical time series approach significantly outperforms macroeconomic models in forecasting competitions. …Ashley (1988) compares data based time series forecasts to those from the large macro forecasters and concludes not only that the time series approach is superior, but that the macro forecasts were so bad that, “most of these forecasts are so inaccurate that simple extrapolation of historical trends is superior for forecasts more than a couple of quarters ahead.”
…Finally, one should note that this literature, combined with an earlier public finance literature, raises questions concerning the welfare gain associated with short-term increases in spending. …Browning (1987) finds that the marginal cost ranges widely, between 10% and 300%. Thus, the welfare costs of paying the bill may be greater than the short-term boost to the economy from the most optimistic estimates. This literature would be consistent with Barro’s analysis that suggests the stimulus makes us worse off in the long run.






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One word-Excellent!! +Hanzo+
Too bad that Barack Hussein Obama have such limited mental ability do read and comprehend what various economists have to say, and then corelate that to cause and effect of the past economic policies. Were they to do that, heaven forbid they might need to modify their approach and not get to play at being leaders and benevolent slave masters which is the ultimate goal.
Wow, all of that just to tell us something most of us already knew…………..that………………..
the stimulus makes us worse off in the long run.
Can't practice Sharia(yet)so, ya gotta play something…Keynesian anyone? Here Harry, catch!
I would suggest that we need not to pop this bubble, but to let the air out slowly, over time. My idea would include freezing any growth in federal spending, elimination of duplicative agencies, enaction of the fair tax and a slow repeal of social security and medicare benefits. The repeal of SSI and medicare is the most tricky part though. What has to be done is to set dates, i.e. if you were born between x and y, your age of retirement is z. The population needs to be divided up into about 4 groups, extending retirement age out to about 70, and then for the 2nd to last group, those workers need a choice between contributing to SSI and a private account. The last group needs to have tax incentives to save for retirement without the SSI option. Medicare needs to be reduced in scope to include only those who absolutely cannot afford their own healthcare plan, but people must have skin in the game, premiums should be cost-adjusted based upon ability to pay. Private insurance companies need to be allowed to sell across state lines and have minimal restrictions on what plans must offer. Farm subsidies need to be completely phased-out over a 5-year period.
Government jobs will never and have never stimulated anything. Sure you can borrow money and hire these Government workers for a year. But at the end of that borrowed money what do you have? Have they created anything that we can sell or promote? The answer is "NO" obviously. All they accomplish is further damaging a weakened economy. So all there really doing is creating an illusion for a short time.
Whats going to happen when they can't borrow more money to pay the millions collecting unemployment?
The Washington progressives are trying to break us. I think its all part of there design. I can't think of one single thing they've done in the last 2 years to help the people of this country. Unless you count trying to enslave us….
If it wasn't for the stimulus, we'd be in the 1930s all over again. Why is it you conservatives only hate government spending when it helps the oppressed? But if it's a no-bid contract for Haliburton, all of you start waving the flag and cheering.
Whats going to happen when they can't borrow more money to pay the millions collecting unemployment?
Clinton wrote a big fat IOU after he took all the money out of SSI to balance his budget so he looked good in the history books. I see a repittion of that except that SSI was OUR money the gov took. Unemployment is not, so the people will be told to hold on to their IOU's like the states are doing now.
I smell blood down the road.
jobs are automatic, because a computer model says so? wtf, i wish my bank account would grow at ten times the rate of inflation, because my computer model says so, now just hand me money, because that is what my computer is saying. are these computer models designed by unicorns, and leprechans??
What war will Obama lead us into? I's say Iran is the most logical choice, then China which would feed his ego more
This is an excellent repose against Keynesian economic theory. Remarkably, I heard someone on Foxnews use Keynesian economics in support of the healthcare bill recently.
This is going to be a balancing act (as one commentor put it), but shouldn't those who created this debt begin the fix for it?
I blogged today and provided a letter and the links to the elected representatives for people to send demanding a NO VOTE on healthcare. Further, the letter demands the representatives use their time and effort to begin this painful process of fixing this broken system.
This Abdication Nation Will Not Stand!
The Writer @ http://www.goodwrites.com
Keynesian economics was tailor made for the politicians being massaged by private central bankers like our Federal Reserve in the 20th century thru today. I suspect that's why they elevated someone like Keynes who
gave the them all intellectual permission for spending money they didn't have.
But even Keynes would not approve of spending oneself into suicide. Government deficit spending was only supposed to be a pump primer, not a staple. Krugman, et. al., are idiots, act like they haven't read their own books.
We need to Audit the Fed.
You excuse corruption with more corruption. I wonder where that will lead us. All stimulus has done is TAKE capital from productive members of society in order to invest it into worthless endeavors that produce no long term jobs. Where I live they are literally rebuilding highways that don't need rebuilding. How is that gonna stimulate jobs for the long term. Are you gonna have government dig holes and refill them forever at the cost of real long term production.
The only oppression I see is coming from the same government you admire. Using force to get people to do what the corrupt politicians want or do you forget that every law is in the end enforced by the barrel of a gun.
Stimulus will end up prolonging this depression just like FDR prolonged the Depression in the 1930s with his stimulus, and regulations. Are you so ignorant of history that you forget the daddy of all stimulus, the New Deal. If it wasn't for FDR's death and the consequential repeal of his policies alongside the fact that we were one of the few nations left without bombed out factories making us one of the only producers we would have never gotten out of the depression.
Mitchell in like a broken record. But can someone show me a successful nation that doesn't take care of poor people? At least in France there is health care for everyone.
If it's a no bid contract for one of Hussein Obama's $$$ contributors you CHEER.(look it up, do your own research)
Haliburton does DANGEROUS oil field services in WAR ZONES. "Bill & Bob's Awl Field Services and Fill up Station" couldn't and WOULDN'T bid to work in a WAR ZONE. Very few companies in the WORLD do what Halliburton does.
Look that up too. Inform yourself and then chime in with your liberal twaddle.
I think your right……
J.M/ Keynes was discredited DECADES ago.
Japan's "Lost Decade" of the 90's was the latest attempt and failure of Keynesian tripe. A Japanese emigre and` history professor I studied with informed the students I had class with that the U.S. had made a HUGE mistake the first class after Obumble's election.
They were all "happy" but he PREDICTED exactly what would happen.
Runaway government.
The short version
Garbage In Garbage Out
As opposed to all of the no-bid contracts that Obama awards to GE, SEIU and ACORN? The problem is that we really don't know where we'd be without stimulus, no one can predict that. What I do know is that even with the stimulus,real unemployment is at 17% when the annointed one said it would peak at 8.5%. Stimulus has made the coffers of nations like China and Australia swell at our expense and Unions have gotten several sweetheart deals. It seems to me that we could do better without all of the extra government spending and corruption. Lower our taxes and we'll figure out how to spend the money best.
The Congressional Budget Office is officially nonpartisan. The Cato Institute, by contrast, is a bunch of radicals that don't even believe we should have a Department of Education. Mitchell probably doesn't even know how to spell Keynesian with a spellcheck.
The short term recovery that is the stimulus, unfortunately may,…..
fool enough of the people to get this clown over the 2012 hurdle,……..by the time 2016 rolls around,….
every circuit court, federal agency and regulatory body will be PROGRESSIVE.
This next round of Tea Parties should be a good indication of just how (hopefully) I am wrong.
You Synthetic Bell Curve sycophants shouldn't be waving any flag that isn't all white.
BHO is much too chickensh!t to "lead" us into a war with a foe that has resources and might fight back. +Hanzo+
We were pretty damn successful for a long time before the government made sure that there existed a subculture of poor, poverty-stricken people who now need the entitlements designed and created by the massive bureaucracy that exists today.Can you show me a successful nation that has always "taken care" of poor people?Didn't think so.
+Hanzo+
So do I, but I pray you're wrong
The cost of hiring and maintaining employees in most of Europe is prohibitive.
For instance, a cabinet shop in the U.S. with a dozen workers would require about 5 workers in France. They simply can't let a dozen smelly Frenchmen work in a small shop, knowing they're legally allowed to take time off for just about any little excuse. To fix the problem, Europeans install more advanced, more automated equipment and hire fewer workers.
i (and you) can best serve the poor by not becoming one of their number. The fewer poor people there are, the better we can afford to serve all of them. The progressive mindset, by the way, never benefits the poor or any other economic stratum. Progressives see the masses. Conservatives see and celebrate the individual.
Cato Institute a bunch of radicals? Really?? Ha ha ha.What then, pray tell, is media matters?A mainstream organization?
FYI, virtually ALL of our FF's were homeschooled until entering College. I also believe we don't need the Department of Re-Education.
Are you trying to defend Keynes and his Fascist Economics?This should be good, this should be real good.I'm waiting.
+Hanzo+
Guy with a heart doesn't necessarily have to be a guy with no brain.
And the Institute is entirely correct: We DON'T need a Department of Education.
I don't know Ralph, we aren't near a recovery as yet.I know, most people have very short memories if the economy is chugging along. Let's hope that the TPM has finally awakened a sleeping giant. If we can convince voters to go to the polls to vote principles we'll be ok, if not…………. same old same old.
+Hanzo+
It's not even Keynesian. (Thanks to Tyler and Marla at Zero Hedge) You must go read Kathryn Welling's interview with James Rickards.
Project 1998. The year it all started. It's all so clear now HOW they pulled the wool. The Banksters took bell curve theory and ran with it but it kept running out of gas. So instead of changing their approach the Mad Men threw a ton of cash at really really smart (and doomed) scientists to re-engineer the bell curve theory to give Congress the key talking points (and their cut of the racket) to get everyone to play along.
Ahhhhhh. The birth of the Synthetic Bell Curve: 1998. Sound familiar? Synthetic CDOs? Hearing about that lately aren't we? When did leveraging ALL of Middle America on something synthetic become a good idea? When destroying Middle America while getting rich became their objectives. Their MISSION.
Now let's see. Who also shares that goal? OH! The Progressive Movement. One used the financial system and the other used the government. And there folks is the Two-Headed Monster in plain view for all to see.
All to see if you are willing. Thank you Kathryn Welling. An epiphany for me and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
This debate between Keynesian and Hayek/Friedman economies is over and won by the free marketers. Why are we always on defense? Stop the debate and push the facts.
Socialism is inherently anti American. Thus Socialists are anti American.
Bring back the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Actually WITH the stimulus we're going to end up in the 1930s (probably 1920s Germany too) instead of just getting stuck in the 70s again for a couple years.
Furthermore, you libs whine and moaned about all the money spent helping REAL oppressed people (like women living under the Taliban or anyone living under Saddam). The so-called oppressed here in America live better than most of the rest of the world's middle class (for chrissake our "poor" have an obesity problem, not a starvation one).
On a side note, conservatives complained about Bush's lack of fiscal restraint constantly since '00 … its just that conservatives haven't been in control of the GOP in quite some time, its just been libs like you with (R) after their name instead of (D). Also note that our economic woes didn't start in earnest until you libs (the ones with D's) took control of the house and senate in '06.
Anyway I'm sure I've wasted all the time it took me to type that (and I'm on a netbook so it was a PITA to type) since you're just a leftist troll here to hate on conservatives without any capacity for real thought.
Just what flavor is the Kool-Aid?
Well said HP.
Hence the reason that you can never reason with a progressive
When ever you start a problem with the answer, it is easy to build a path to it. Does not make it right though. Consider the Climate gate as a prime example. They decided that the earth was warming so the logical answer was to look for all the contributing factors that support that conclusion and disregard the rest.
Just as any good* trial attorney can tell you: The answer to any question can be predicated by the question. In other words if your frame the question the right way the answer you will get the answer you seek.
With progressives their heart tells them what the answer is, they just don't have the brains to build a good case how to get there.
*only used as a figure of speech, in reality there is no such thing.
Thank you, StoryKeeper. Kind words, indeed!
You're making the assumption that he wants the economy to improve. I remain unconvinced he does. His primary impulse appears to be to spend the country into such an unescapable hole that large amounts of private property are lost to confiscation or inflation. One does not "fundamentally transform America" by repairing the current system. He's a slicker Rev. Wright. A brother has gotta get whitey's money somehow.
Read the current articles (one by Gingrich) on the possibilities of the feds "helping Americans" by confiscating their 401k's to keep this insanity running another year or two before it collapses.
What do they say? Too late to fix it, to early to start shooting?
Gentle Readers,
This article is not quite correct: Keynesian Economics prescribes deficit spending, permanant & substantive TAX CUTS and monetary easing during a Recession, with a balanced budget during periods of economic expansion. The Democrats like the deficit spending, but refuse to cut taxes or support fiscal prudence during periods of economic expansion. Increased government spending per se is not a Keynesian Prescription. The Obama Administration is calling their policy Keynesian, but it calls for PERMANENT DEFICITS and has NO PERMANENT & SUBSTANTIVE TAX CUTS!
The Obama policy isn't Keynesian, its just ' throw money all over the place ' unless it is for Defense.
Kindest Regards,
John Lepant
Brighton, CO
food assistance programs (food stamps)? airline subsidies? steel industry subsidies?
state & federal grant systems? tort reform? drug company subsidies? state university
subsidies?
"freezing any growth in federal spending", for how long? Freezing would lock in todays
high levels, would it not?
i suppose your hero Hitler was courageous cause he started wars with everyone
House Committee on Un-American Activities
How many wars has your hero, Kevin Jennings, started? Don't get me started, mindless cretin. I will make you look like a bigger fool than you do yourself, although you do a damn fine job, as witnessed by your really cool "hero hitler" remark.What a dunce you truly are. +Hanzo+
This debate between Keynesian and Hayek/Friedman economies is over and won by the free marketers. Why are we always on defense? Stop the debate and push the facts.
Socialism is inherently anti American. Thus Socialists are anti American.
Grow a pair America and bring back the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
This debate between Keynesian and Hayek/Friedman economies is over and won by the free marketers. Why are we always on defense?
Socialism is inherently anti American. Thus Socialists are anti American.
Grow a pair America and bring back the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Grow a pair America and bring back the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Socialism is inherently anti American. Thus Socialists are anti American.
Absolutely! They are literally trashing our economy with overspending, then they can come in totally revamp the system, with new money, a new government, and the same old faces running a trashed country. Its called socialism….
okay…so I guess I cannot say that the present admin is trashing us and turning us into a socialist country…
And stagnant economic growth, and *permant* (not recessionary) unemployment of 11-12%, and taxes that would choke an ox…..
Can you show me a successful nation which allows the able-bodied adult "poor" to sponge off handouts rather than work? Take a peek at Greece, laddie.
At least in Cuba there is health care for everyone.
Wow! I cannot exercise my freedom of speech on here! I have been deleted twice…
"that don't even believe we should have a Department of Education"
And they're absolutely right.
Are you jealous, Liberalshitshitshit? I don't think Mr.Mitchell needs my approval for anything.
Obviously you need to post inane, asinine, juvenile comments to someone who is much more intelligent than you in order to appear as an intellectual.Kinda' like "Look at me everyone"! Not even a nice try.
+Hanzo+
Moreover, Keynes regarded 25% of GDP as the upper limit to healthy government spending.
Because the vast majority of people don't know Keynes from Kanye.
The dirth of economics education in our culture is truly depressing.
Let's see, the Department of Education was a Carter era creation, as was the Department of Energy. Given the crappy education our children receive today and our continued dependence on foreign oil, I'd say both departments should be eliminated. Wait! Maybe we could outsource them to India!
It still reminds me of Pharaoh's decision to build the pyramids. Based on Keynesian theory, commencing to build the pyramids, an undertaking that did not provide any goods to members of the general public,, would have somehow enriched Egypt. In those simpler times, it is more likely that Pharaoh when considering building the pyramids, might have considered whether the economy produced sufficient goods and services to support the population that would divert its efforts to building the pyramid.
The Keynesian idea that input of specie produces more utilizable goods and services, has not panned out. I have searched in vain for a situation in which the idea succeeded as anticipated. Maybe someone can identify such a situation. But then, economists to some extend are shamans, so why confuse everyone by determining if the empirical data somehow corresponds to predictions made using the model?
I suspect that cognitive dissonance prevents us from examining "a truth" that is so deeply ingrained in our psyches.
Oppressed you say? Who in the name of God's green earth is oppressed in this country? The people suckling on the Gov't teat average over 23K a year and pay nothing but sales tax. They have 2 color TV's, cable TV, a microwave, washer and dryer, and a car. The food allowance per person is twice what my family spends. And if you think, that able bodied people are oppressed in this country you are sadly mistaken Mr Peters. We have millions who make and live on less than that who have a couple of the most important things anyone anywhere in the world can have and those are freedom of choice, a work ethic and pride. No amount of welfare will ever be enough for people who are too lazy to work and have self respect. They are nothing but continual generations of slaves.
Take a look at the new poverty guide that Obama now wants to have. It makes me violently ill. If the standard of living goes up (fat chance) for workers, the proportional welfare teat sucker goes up by the same %. The only thing is, if the workers standard goes down… entitlements do not. Now how much do you think John Q. Public can take?
We can probably blame the Department of Education and the UIM (Useful Idiot Media) for this.
S.T., have you ever been to France? Have you ever been sick in France? I have and I have.
I specifically went out of my way while I was there to engage French citizens about their "healthcare". They generally shrugged off the high tax rates and accepted the state of care.
France's system had been generally "successful" by EuroNanny standards but in the last few years the system has started to experience what aways happens, RATIONING. They're closing and consolidating clinics and smaller hospitals as costs rise and demand increases.
I decided to "live with" the bronchial condition I picked up in Italy until I returned to Texas, skipping trying to see a doctor in Britian. The N.H.S. (which I was ineligible to utitlize, which is cool I'm not a citizen) is a DISASTER.
Listen up punk…people have been taking care of each other for centuries, we sure as hell don't need the Government toi redistribute the wealth enough of that…If that is what you want in you government, you better go somewhere else…
In the large business version of that Volvo adopted Euro-style "casual" production systems and nearly bankrupted themselves. the "workers" figured out that they had all kinds of "personal time" and productivity went into the dumpster. They tighned up and —>> Sha-zam —! productivity went back up. Duh, huh?
* This comment was too insensitive and was subsequently censored and deleted by an administrative robot *
We’ve come to expect no less from Barry the Bumbling Bolshevik. Look for him to double down on stupid when states begin laying people off in masse, Porkulus II, we must save those government jobs…sheesh!
More of the king's soothsayers at work.
if they pay us in iou's, can we pay them back with them? california did that, they paid suppliers with iou's, then demanded the taxes, they owed. the suppliers tried to pay them back with the iou's, and they said drop dead, then they tried giving iou's to the banks, and the banks told them, sorry, we only take actual money.
Hey, those pyramids are bringing in how many tourist dollars at this very minute? Bad investment, I think not.
I worry that they might create a true emergency, albeit intentionally, in the stock market that would scare everyone to such a point that they lose any faith in the market. Then they could much more easily take over the 401k accounts under the balleywick of rescuing everyone's retirement. Of course the stealthy way is to inflate the money to such a point that the accounts lose most of their value on their own accord.
I'm sure I'm considered a tin foil hat wearer to the libs, but they can bite me. Our Black Liberation Theology/Marxist administration holds wealth redistribution/"spreading the misery" as a very high priority. If it means bringing down the economy too. So be it, all the easier to make the case, "We tried the free market – it doesn't work. Now it's our turn."
Frankly I welcome a revolution. It will be very ugly for a while, but once the dust settles we can reform in the south, midwest, and mountain west. The new communist country in the NE and west coast will be a 3rd world cesspool, and easy pickins when we decide we need more land. I hope I live long enough to march across the border into California to poke a commie with my bayonet, while saying "Git!"
California increased government spending by 40% in the 6 years since 2003. Shouldn't California be the wealthiest state by now? All of this spending must have moved more money around creating wealth, at least 1.5 times more (according to Obama and Krugman) than if they hadn't spent. So what if they had to borrow the money? Didn't they carry out IN FACT what Obama proposes to do in the near future to the entire US?
What is Obama's and Krugman's explanation for why California is in trouble? They lived the dream, and it is in fact a nightmare. What are the subtle details that made California bad, but will make the US good, following this policy?
. . . So what if California has a big deficit? Why can't "the rich" pay back the deficits now? They are the ones who supposedly benefitted from government spending in the "good days" of past deficits. Where are the people who made out like bandits to pay back the deficit? Aren't the deficits only a small part of the high profits created by California government spending?
California is a stark failure staring us in the face. Yet, Obama and his team want to use the same policies and big deficits to save us all! What is the definition of lemming?
Econ 201: The Myth of the Economic Multiplier
Government spending doesn't multiply anything. It takes resources from taxpayers and applies them to government projects. You get a bridge or some paperwork, that is it.
The "multiplier" from government taxes is actually less than 1. The government wastes resources collecting more tax, and the citizen wastes resources trying to minimize his tax. Then, the government spends the tax revenue wastefully, achieving less production of useful goods and services than the citizen would have created with his resources.
An absurdity. If government spending of $100 creates $150 in wealth, then why doesn't this apply to ALL spending? The $50 you spend for groceries should produce $75 in wealth. In fact, all money spent each day should produce 1.5 times in wealth the current day's spending (sometime in the near future). This would lead to a wealth explosion, as total wealth increased by 50% every few months. Heck, even if it increased by 5% every few months.
There is no wealth multiplier greater than 1. If there were, we would all be living in Aruba by now.
(Whew. I'll stop now)
From the CBO 'analysis':
"…At the Chairman’s request, CBO estimated the budgetary impact of those policies against the “extended-baseline” scenario presented in the agency’s Long-Term Budget Outlook. Under that scenario, revenues and outlays match CBO’s baseline projection (from January 2007) for the first 10 years and then are projected for an additional 65 years under the assumption that current law remains in place.2 In the extendedbaseline scenario, revenues rise from 18.8 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2007 to 25.5 percent in 2082 but nevertheless fall short of projected spending (see Table 1). As a result, deficits rise to about 5 percent of GDP in 2050 and to 18 percent by 2082; debt rises to more than twice GDP by 2082 (well above its highest historical value)…."
Key word: "assumption". No credibility…none, zero, zilch, nada. GlobalsWarming mooks have more integrity than the CBO. They use static figures and don't take any possible variable into account which renders this 'study' worthless and a wasteful use of our tax dollars.
From the CBO 'analysis':
"…At the Chairman’s request, CBO estimated the budgetary impact of those policies against the “extended-baseline” scenario presented in the agency’s Long-Term Budget Outlook. Under that scenario, revenues and outlays match CBO’s baseline projection (from January 2007) for the first 10 years and then are projected for an additional 65 years under the assumption that current law remains in place.2 In the extendedbaseline scenario, revenues rise from 18.8 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2007 to 25.5 percent in 2082 but nevertheless fall short of projected spending (see Table 1). As a result, deficits rise to about 5 percent of GDP in 2050 and to 18 percent by 2082; debt rises to more than twice GDP by 2082 (well above its highest historical value)…."
Key word: "assumption". No credibility…none, zero, zilch, nada. GlobalsWarming mooks have more integrity than the CBO. They use static figures and don't take any possible variable into account which renders this 'study' worthless and a wasteful use of our tax dollars.
The missing part of their lie is the compounded interest on all of this deficit spending and the cumulative negative impact it will have, sooner rather than later. Yes, Keynesians are absurd liars.
Is this a new troll? I don't recall having seen the name before. Yeah, it was pretty weak.
Climatologists.
Yep, a new troll. Perhaps it's taking mikatrolla's place, haven't seen mika around lately.Dosen't seem to match mika's intellect though, and that's saying something! ;^) +Hanzo+
"But surely this can’t be true, you may be thinking. Our public servants in Washington would not make important policy decisions based on a model that automatically produces a certain result, would they?"
Oh, they wouldn't?
Albert Gore, call your office, please …
"eh yea, duh der….that was a gooooood one, ey der…" Dude. Fire up another joint and knock back some Busch, the adults were having a conversation here.
yup. Then we go home (well, I'm half white) and EVERY commercial makes FUN OF US!
The fill-in – the -blank minority is smarter and/or is the boss and is clever and "we don't get it" or we can't add the simple numbers up, or we're fat, bald, bad breath, you name it…
It's ridiculous.
We don't need a Dept. of Education. Education is a STATE function.
It's basically a violation of the 10th amendment.
its been around awhile
troll meat
the other white meat
tastes like chicken
Hock, Like Hollywood Hanks, you must have forgotten what happened on 9-11. Is it a mishap with a puck that made you loose your memory?
lol..Kanye is a "g a y f i s h"!
Move to France.
you're an animal. I'm offended.
Im trying to get away from replying to any of you who have no intention of seeking true answers to your
idiotic questions.
It is obvious you do not know anything about the truly oppressed or about being oppressed.
Tastes like chicken, or turtle? Probably smells like a turtle turdhole.
;^) +Hanzo+
and trools
mmmm taste like chicken
I'd choose treatment in TX over FR or UK any day. Ah, TX…where everyone receives the treatment they need whether they're citizens or not and everyone has higher quality care regardless of 'class' or 'status'.
If Big Bubba rams through this deathcare, this will all be a thing of the past.
yup. I don't have insurance either. I stepped up and payed my doctor for his time and a shot of anti-biotics.
I'm a student so I have the University clinic which is subsidised with our fees. I need catasrophic coverage. I DON'T want or need a government to coddle me.
President Bush, having repeatedly linked Saddam Hussein to the terrorist organization behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, said there is no evidence that the deposed Iraqi leader had a hand in those attacks, in contrast to the belief of most Americans.
lots of garlic and bbq sauce
yup and it only took 2 or 3 thousand years to start making a profit
Obummer must be a pharo reincarnated
Good article. However, I don't see how your "belief" that the economy "will surely recover this year" is accurate, unless you somehow imagine the economy can recover while unemployment just keeps increasing! History may be predictive, but it isn't determinative.
Make that three times!
I had three of them deleted tonight….I finally went asked James Hudnall under
http://bigjournalism.com/fross/2010/03/13/overnig...
I asked WTH was up with the deletions! If you go to James Hudnall's comment stream you will see a response from Michael Walsh…it might give you some insight! They are working on it….
I had three of them deleted tonight….I finally went asked James Hudnall under
http://bigjournalism.com/fross/2010/03/13/overnig...
I asked WTH was up with the deletions! If you go to James Hudnall's comment stream you will see a response from Michael Walsh…it might give you some insight! They are working on it….
See below! I am looking forward to barbecue some day!
I do not want to be sitting in my yard toasting to Chicago Ralph with a brandy (guessing what his favorite is) and toasting to our demise….man, we are gonna win this…please. I have this vision in my mind of you! It gives me strength….brother, lets visualize winning!
I pray Hollywood has recognized you for the comedy genius you obviously are.
Actually that joke was on the level I've been subjected to on "Two and a Half Men" when guests have turned it on. That's a good progressive show – a non-traditional family and lots of dick and fart jokes. Opiates for the Obamamasses.
cool. thanks Lorben!
I challenge anyone to tell me when the federal government has done anything to benefit the working "taxpayers" in the last 100 years.
I desire barbecue in Vegas!
Dude…never travel without antibiotics, an inhaler and steroids! I never leave home without them!
Recall Richard Nixon's statement that "we're all Keynesians now."
It can be paraphrased in the present circumstance as "We're all Keynans now."
Wow, that is great that some teacher some where is teaching the truth. I am really surprised. The Guns & Butter decision looks great on paper but in reality it is not a workable model. The government can not create jobs, they can get out of the way so the private sector can recov er. Not the Obama way, they want to control every aspect of our life, down to what we eat. This is totally insane, Patrick Henry said it best, "Give me liberty or give me death".
Gentle Readers,
Dear 4arepublic,
Well, a partial and very incomplete list would start with: Stopped Hitler & Imperial Japan, Stopped the Soviet Union, Public Schools are Free, Roads are mostly Free, Medicare, Social Security, Unemployment Comp. are all benefits specifically for working wage-earners, and more.
We pay alot of taxes: Payroll Taxes, Income Taxes, Excise Taxes, Gas Taxes, etc., but there's alot of government.
Painful Truth: Too many people want more government, yet they hate paying taxes!
Kindest Regards,
John
Dr. Kawashima was in the countryside outside of Nagasaki collecting pine tree sap for conversion to turpinetine, for the war effort (the U.S. Navy had blockaded fuel imports so oil was scarce), and as he was working the bomb hit Nagasaki and he watched the flash and the mushroom cloud.
Because school was out of session he was spared. Interesting he acknowledges that the bombs PREVENTED more death and destruction but I don't think any native Japanese person is fond of the A -bomb attacks.
He's about 80 now and is very conservative politically and isn't shy about it. He's been teaching college in the states for 40 plus years, so he's far removed from everyday Japan.
I don't think any of the kids knew what he was talking about vis a vis Japan's economy in the 90's….(but I did)
That case study is exactly on point, Jamesb.
By the way, the "progressives" at the top are a different breed from the useful idiots. The top dogs know exactly what they're doing (Pelosi, Reid, Obama), and they're under no illusions about "helping the poor," as opposed to helping themselves to the fruits of the labor of every citizen.
I'm not a Kanyesian, but I must admit, Kanye looked so intelligent when he started babbling to Michael Myers about Bush sending the troops to New Orleans (after Katrina) to "shoot us" (meaning black citizens of New Orleans).
Michael Myers had that look of a person who's just entered The Twilight Zone (or at the very least, The Dimly-Lit Zone). You can see the father of Kanyesian economics, Kanye West himself, saying these intelligent things. The link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMoeMbOmbQ0
Oh….
Wait… It's Keynesian. Sorry.
Never mind.
I don't lookto them as a model civilization, but China is pretty low on the human rights spectrum and we borrow money from THEM, they are obviously much better off economically than we are.
I like phasing out all subsidies, but the comment post will only let you use so many characters. An immediate freeze would stop growth, consolidation and elimination of subsidies would shrink the budget. As for how long the freeze would take effect, I would say until spending gets below 15% of GDP and then spending could grow as long as the 15% was not exceeded.
what an honor to have bozos approval, i'm sure your approval means alot to Mr. Mitchell, you sure think so, douche
This debate between Keynesian and Hayek/Friedman economies is over and won by the free marketers. Why are we always on defense? Stop the debate and push the facts.
Socialism is inherently anti American. Thus Socialists are anti American.
Grow a pair America and bring back the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
I also wonder how bad he is working to make it fail. Having read the various plans proposed to convert IRA's and 401K's to annuities, it truly scares the bejesus out of me. I am an early retiree who is also widowed and have spent my life working and raising my children without taking a single dime of gov't assistance. He is hellbent on destroying the lives of all who do not bow down to suck the gov't teat and pay homage to him as leader of the progressive mantras.
But no brain!
If it wasn't for the stimulus, we'd be in the 1930s all over again.
Read a little history numbnuts the 'great depression occurred because of the policies of the 'progressive nitwit' FDR…
Compare that to the depression of 1920 and the the proper way to revive a sick economy Obama would do well to study Warren Harding…
excellent post…. you make some really great points and have some interesting analysis.
I worry they might create a true emergency, albeit intentionally.
I thought you were talking about Bush, and Iraq!!
The stimulus creates new jobs in the same way that assassinating congressmen creates new elected officials.
And has the same constitutional validity.
There having some trouble with this site. I know you are aware of this as it was your post that gave me the answer. Just letting everyone know they are aware of the problem and working on it.
try going out you u tube and look up "hannity waste"….yea all those projects really saved the planet and the U.S. economy. Hundreds of projects that are a total waste of our tax $$$$….and some in foreign countries so just how do those stimulate the United States??
Another excellent post. Yes, Keynes had a foresight, though limited in scope, which his disciples & modern day lackey's lack as they're primary focus is always on that oldest of regressive staples, the govt. teat. They could care less for facts these days, especially those they once relied upon.
The only question; would be is there enough real Americans to form the House Committee?
Liars figure, figures lie. Easy money is what got us where we are today. That and foxes watching the hen house. Obama is nothing more than another in a long line of statists capitalizing on the ignorance of the people to hatch his plan to fundamentally transform this nation from first world to third world status through transfer of wealth. See Cloward-Piven model if you have any doubts. WTFU!
Maui,…………one word, REPARATIONS !!!!
Excellent reply++ guess my comment went over you and your peons heads, how unusual, do i really have to point out to you how stupid your comments are, here I'll type real slow so you'll understand…it dosent take courage to start a war, dumb a$$. your so dull you think a govt. funded "study" proves your points…moron
Troll…lol I'm not your mom
excellent reply++ never heard that one before, this is an adult conversation, highly origina. continue your mental circle jerk with your guy friends, lol
mental circle jerk
your moms a troll, bitc$, hows your mental circle jerk coming?
mac………I've seen others mention limits on characters, however I have never experienced
that particular function.
Although your ideas on beginning the process of phasing out SS & Medicare are interesting, I be-
lieve, rather that freeze federal spending, we should begin a process of incremental reduction.
As an economist who administers global risk management in the financial industry, I'm constantly amused at those who claim to be economists who believe in Keynesian models, as it's almost always someone who struggled through Introductory Econ in an undergraduate program who's gone on to a technically irrelevant field (e.g. government or journalism). In both fields, these underperforming poseurs are rarely called out for their fraud and incompetence and increasingly, find resonance with other fakes who have fled the private sector. But the real problem for all of us is that they've reached a level of resonance where they now believe themselves to be correct — e.g. the collusion of Obama and Krugman — and are now pushing their delusion onto the private sector.
Airplanes don't fly on hope, change, magic, intentions and rigged equations. Railways, distribution systems, telecommunication networks, economic systems, energy plants all require real models (infused with difficult math, uncertainty and entropy). Citizens that trust frauds to "command" these systems to work by their magical desire will only encounter frustration and disaster, as they rightfully deserve.
1.There is a $1 trillion output gap, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
2.We’re in a liquidity trap, so monetary policy cannot close the gap. There is a surplus of savings over investment even with a zero interest rate.
3.Either the government spends the unemployed resources, or they will not get spent and we’ll have a slump.
4.The government’s fiscal stimulus is big enough to ward off total catastrophe, but not large enough to close a $1 trillion gap. Therefore we'll have several years of sluggish growth and high unemployment.
[...] » Keynesian Economics and the Wizard of Oz – Big Government [...]
How would you expect those who are much smarter than yourself to lower our thought process to that of a juvenile delinquent in order to decipher the secret, cryptic meaning of your immature attempt at sarcasm?
Your post is chock full of inanities and hyperbole.As well as the fact it's barely readable, there are so many spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.As I said before about you, your posts appear to be written by one who is attempting to grasp a foreign language, but you just can't get there.Too bad, I'm sure you've soooo much wisdom to impart on the unwashed masses.HA HA HA HA!!
+Hanzo+
[...] » Keynesian Economics and the Wizard of Oz – Big Government [...]
Yeah, you're so cool, everyone else is stupid, right, liberalshitshitshit?What a simpleton.
+Hanzo+
Gentle Readers,
Dear Bohemond,
Thank you! It is my understanding that currently State, Local & Federal spending in the USA is at about 40%.
Kindest Regards,
John
No, you're not my mom, but obviously you're the same sex, little bitch that you are.+Hanzo+
You should stick to things you know alot about like what come tastes like
"Your moms(sic) a troll".Wow, how original and cool.Did your mom have any kids who survived?*YAWN*, you are soooooooo freakin' boring, and churlish to boot.I see you brought your 'A' game. My 11 year old might have fun toying with your painfully obvious lack of intellect, but quite frankly I'm bored with you.Hasta la Vista, bitchboy. +Hanzo+
lol go play with the wrong end of a sword…funny comment coming from a deluded egomaniac
Sauntered into the realm of Progressives?Or is that merely projection on your part?
Hmmm, you must know a lot about that subject.
BTW, I'm married with 3 children.
How's that whole same sex marriage thing working out for ya'?
Please continue posting, I could never make you look as stupid as you do yourself.
+Hanzo+
Only a citizen of Moronistan would believe that hair of the dog will cure the alcoholic.
Hatless Hessian, I wish your comment had been the first one in this whole thread. It is to the point, and totally on point, since it brings up the harsh realities from the perspective of your real-world experience.
This is an awesome comment. I have an Indian friend (born in India) who was in Uganda when Idi Amin made things uncomfortable for the Pakistanis there. Since most of the bus mechanics were Pakistanis, that was the beginning of the end of national transportation. Wherever the bus broke down, that's where it would stay. By the time my friend left Uganda, the countryside was dotted with buses, many of which had minor mechanical malfunctions. There was no system or personnel in place with the knowledge or motivation to deal with them.
Anyhow, thanks for the excellent comment.
Hatless Hessian is right. Only a tiny handful of cranks like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, the economics departments of all our major universities, and a bunch of Nobel Prize winners, believe that running budget deficits has any stimulus effect.
What pap!
What twaddle!
Let me know when government spending helps the oppressed. In the 1930s Hoover and FDR kept the economy from adjusting, which weakened US ability to intervene in the world, and led to WWII, and us weakness at the start of the war (Japan had 10 aircraft carriers, the US only 7, for example). Last time it was only 400,000 US casualties before the US could end the war with nuclear bombs.
Gosh when will they ever learn?
Isn't life grand. Now all we need are Munchkins singing Follow the Yellow Brick Road…….
And life will be all sweet and sunny and OBAMBI will lead us to greatness in a non-nuclear world. Won't it be great when we can go back to nature and live in FUKN caves?
Comments too insensitive? What could Cowboy have said that was insensitive. You didn't insult OBAMBI did you?
All one needs to know about "Keynesianism" is that Keynes himself strongly objected to it's interpretation and application by governments. He repeatedly said that the private sector multiplier was much greater than any "government" multiplier (and likely much faster).
But the government multiplier analysis (which Keynes used only as an example) is what made it into every Econ 101 textbook.
Then why do government and university economists who know this to be a fact still try to use public-sector spending to resolve economic crises? Power. They use government spending for whatever version of "social justice" they believe in. Through their hubris, they also believe that their "wise" spending priorities will somehow defy all economic principles and effectively outstrip the "market."
I've wondered how it was possible to have a derivatives market valued at several times greater than the sum total value of the entire earth.
http://www.bis.org/statistics/otcder/dt1920a.pdf
zero hedge rules
Obama is a one term PRESIDENT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=MddREczVeL4
Kumar Shrugged?
Hanzo and Lorben,….your comments are refreshing,………however,…..one can only comment based on one's own experience and surroundings.
Yesterday my nephew came home from college and we were all around the table when the discusion turned to the Texas text book story,….
My nephew thinking he had the lowdown on this issue stated that he was,….
"amazed how conservatives were trying to change the US history text books",…….
now my nephew is no Einstein but he in a science field at U of IL,…….but come onnnn!!!……
had to straighten him out a tad,….
Sorry folks,……but it looks gloomy from the Democrat, union label, city patronage worker, south side of Chicago part of my world.
TOO FUNNY!!
My Indian friend was named Fida (pronounced FEED-uh), and I really wasn't too friendly to him most of the time. The rat b*st*rd spent most of his time downgrading the U.S., and telling me how wonderful his past days were, in good ol' India. (He also was an Idi Amin apologist, claiming the Western media had demonized the great man for propoganda pusposes.)
I told him to take his brown ass back to India, that we didn't need him. Furthermore, I told him he was jealous of our prosperity and stability, while reminding him that Indira Gandhi was murdered by one of her inner circle, the Palace Guard.
He was a fount of information, though, if one was willing to sift through the pile and toss aside the foolish political leanings and preserve the useful facts.
Dorothy finally escaped Oz at the end of the story, unlike US she had a way out of her nightmare!!! Our reality is we are the little tin soldiers, they wind the key and point us in the direction they want us to go, absolute control is their goal!!!
For about two years, Fida called every Friday night. The calls almost always ended up with us shouting at each other, and hanging up abruptly. For some reason, I was willing to continue this BS, where I wouldn't have dreamed of it with an American acquaintance.
"CBO’s calculations are not based on actually observing the economy’s recent performance. Rather, they used an economic model that was programmed to assume that stimulus spending automatically creates jobs — thus guaranteeing their result. …The problem here is obvious."
Sounds like the climate models created by the likes of Gavin Schmidt. They program in warming and then claim that their models are independent evidence for catastrophism and alarmism over human activities, when in fact it is the predetermined result of their lame assumptions.
I know youre a conservative because you say so, self described conservatives like you who voted for Obama are human rashes. keep looking in the mirror and saying "im Reganesque", what an insult to Ronald Reagan an a$$wipe like you are
thank God for the internet so i dont have to smell you and your pechouli oil you dirty hippie
BTW, I'm married with 3 children…so was Massa…
get back to your tickle fight with your circle jerk gang of self described conservative queeny
anytime punk
Can't even spell Patchouli?Damn, you are even more stupid than I thought! +Hanzo+
Tee Hee Hee.You're so funny, and original! It's not that my children couldn't make you appear to be the poltroon you are, it's that you're not even worth the time, or effort, to reply to.Have fun by yourself, maybe you can listen to your Barry Manilow collection and dream about being a big boy someday. +Hanzo+
I live in Cincinnati, puss. Bring it if you're so tough.You're just an annoyance, like a pimple on someone's ass. +Hanzo+
Wow, hmm. No comment, your reply exposes all.Thanks for saving me the trouble.+Hanzo+
whats it like to have a mind so full of contradictions?, i imagine it must suck.
get back to trooling the site for grammitical and spelling errors nancy
Here are some facts for you in the USA:
# According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach’s spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[75] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tiered health care.[76]
# When Robert Bourassa, the premier of Quebec, needed cancer treatment, he went to the US to get it.[77]
# A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe And Mail states, “More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care.” [80]
# In 2010, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the U.S. for heart surgery.[81]
These are ministers in the governement, MPs. Many Canadian are not able to afford to go, so we wait on the waiting list for months for a surgery.
These are facts. And facts are stubborn things.
dont use the pachuli for the circle jerks like you do, you are an impressive spell checker, wow
so you enjoy eating teeth, sounds good do me bowel breath
Thanks again.You make this so easy. +Hanzo+
Yep, I can spell.Learned that in, oh, probably 1st grade.How about you?That's right, you were kicked out of school for homoeroticism. That must be why you hate smart people.Must suck to be you.Oh well, someone has to be an idiot in order to be a contrast to the smart people.*YAWN*. +Hanzo+
YouTube parody: The Wizard of Obama http://www.youtube.com/user/Optoons#p/u/19/SUqLeN...
Wow, the comments from you troglodytes really show that America is really backwards. You guys don't believe in public education or public healthcare. Are you really so selfish that you want America to fall behind more progressive nations that actually provide for their citizens?
"easy like a sunday mornin…
I'm not happy when I try to fake it, oooh."
keep on bein a fake conservative
Damn, can you even finish one sentence without displaying your ignorance? Never ate teeth in my life.Der, we can "lace up the gloves", right?You're obviously a coward, I live in Middletown, specifically, drop by, puss.+Hanzo+
you better wear head gear and a mouthpiece, even with them i cant guarantee you wont be eating teeth…im shakin in my shoes thinkin about goin a few rounds with Hanzo "the grammer nanny killa conservative wannabe", I'll be down at the Middletown YMCA at 3pm, be there
You are almost there, but to get real skin in the game a flat tax is much better.
and in this corner Hanzo "the grammer nanny, spell check, conservative wannabe killa" I'll be at the Middletown YMCA at 3pm today,,.be there
keep telling yourself youre a conservative it makes it reality
Sadly, you are correct.
This is their fix for the broken system, as well as bailing out the unions who are underwater on their pensions and benefits.
My suggestion is everyone do some research on Keynes himself. You will see how and why his worldview formed and influenced his economic theory. He reminds of the cop who insists a person is guilty, and predetermines and then collects the evidence to get the person, instead of just seeing where the evidence takes them.
Sure you will.Are the rest of the Village People coming with you?Don't forget to bring your own gear, the YMCA probably dosen't have boxing gear to loan, and I'm sure a top-notch pugilist such as yourself has just a plethora of quality equipment.Ha ha ha.+Hanzo+
You know what?This isn't even a challenge, or fun.It's like arguing with a petulant 5 year old, although the 5 year old can spell better and just might make sense.I'm embarrassed for even replying to your drivel, you're so below troll standards.
+Hanzo+
You go first.
Hand over all of your money instead of telling everyone else they're selfish for not handing over theirs. The only thing that America should provide for its citizens is the freedom to try to rise as high as they want, or in your case, as low that they are able.
In all those progressive nations you speak of in such glowing terms, "the public" takes precedence over the individual, yet it is the USA that has grown into the strongest economic powerhouse in a little over 200 years thanks to the paramount importance placed upon the individual.
Only someone who is useless would try to use their worthlessness as a lever against someone else's self interest.
Go back to Kos, you idiot.
BO wants everyone to end up like Keynans, like his brother in the hut.
and a roll of toilet paper
you crack yourself up dont ya, i have all the accoutrements,(hey everybody i used a big word, look mommy), dont bring your kids with you I dont want to embarass you in front of them. Im shankin in my shoes thinkin about your effete good typer hands and schoolmarm toughness…
My wife makes the best (my opinion) potato salad
you crack yourself up dont ya, what a Lib. I have all the accoutrements (look everybody i used a big word, look mommy) Dont bring your kids with you I dont want to embarass you in front of them. Im shakin in my shoes thinkin about your effete good typying hands and your schoolmarm toughness…
That's a given! Sorry you had to learn the hard way HC!
yup
traveling around SA
have to pay a couple pennies for the toilet and they hand you two squares of tp
I feel it too at time CHICAGO RALPH……I hope your words resonated with your nephew. It often takes time for a College student to come down off that high horse they are riding.
The fair tax is a flat tax
I was trying to avoid telling you to f-ck yourself. Chickensh!t punks like you are as common as dogsh!t.
Contribute or stay off moron. I'm an adult who has earned what I have, including the opprotunity NOT be a mouthbreather jerk o f f like you.
I would have thought it would be that way in Africa, but I think our hosts had the best scoped out from years of experience there. But you definitely need the TP in the bush…I was afraid of being bit by a viper on the tukas! That would not be cool! And I too know TMI!
you crack yourself up dont ya, what a Lib. I have all the accoutrements (look everybody i used a big word, like bozo am i a "smart" lib now) Dont bring your kids with you I dont want to embarass you in front of them. Im shakin in my shoes thinkin about your effete good typying hands and your schoolmarm toughness…youre a real keyboard queen your limp wrists just float over the keys
We should have already bombed Iran's nuclear infrastructure, because we haven't, Iran has been allowed to enrich far more than needed for any peaceful purpose and we appear weak to the rest of the world. We couldn't even get BRAZIL to agree to Iran sanctions! This means that a minor country that is not communist thinks we're pussies! All I can say is thanks Obama, hey let's have a beer summit with Kim Jong Il, Ahmedinijad, and Omar Gadaffi!
Ahhh picnic food! What I could do with some warm weather right about now!
I thought this person might be semi-cool as they're following someone cool and have made some cogent and substantive posts; and that this mini-flame war was due to a simple misunderstanding. I saw L6's "bozo-douche" reply and my first thought was "thin-skinned newbie who takes him/herself too seriously?" Whatever the case, this person has reached a level of un-coolness that jeopardizes their credibility and they risk 'mikatrollah' status if they don't stick with taking aim at our common enemy and firing, likewise, when necessary.
whatever you say bitc#, go blow one to calm yourself down
my goal in life is to be considered cool, i got a beef with Hanzo, ya wanna jump into something thgat dosent concern you, do what ya like, and i didnt start my beef with sword boy but i will finish it
It sort of like pumping up a life raft with a bunch of holes in it. If you pump hard enough, you can keep it inflated for a while, but when you run out of steam (money) the raft will go flat and all the expenditure was for nothing.
Is that "Springfield, AnyState" like in the Simpson's?
Could you be more vauge and chickensh!t??
Don't worry, I was merely conducting a psychological evaluation. The chuckles are over and I won't respond to you any further.
crack yourself up huh? impressive, talk tough on the internet college boy, keep stuying one day ya might be able to stand on your own and not look to mommy and dada, and the govt. you pathetic worm
so am i cool? did i pass the test? its important to me
LOL! got you squirming huh, punk?
I'm an adult and I go to school for FUN, much like I "punk you" and your pee brain, for fun.
So, hurry and eat lunch –
then get back to work picking up broken applicances out of the dump.
I believe you…whos your lunch today Elton?
lets see no job, parents basement, enjoys playing "I'm a conservative" on the internet, you go girl…keep on crackin yourself up
Gotcha pee brain. lol!
Hey Sanford – how's Son? (how come son doesn't "look like you"?)
Shouldn't you be at the "gym" by now, or did you mean the "beer gym" where growing your gut and talking sh!t makes you feel 'big'.
Of course the "little women" reminds you that , er …oops – "not so big"…lol!
Match wits with your equal – "Here Boy, come and talk to "Uncle Liberty"…
Liberty – offer the Mutt some kibbles, he'll debate with you.
That's it?
Quiting while you're behind? lol
…or are you patching a leak in the trailer tire out back with bubble gum again?
Liberty -> "Jr. chew a chaw of the Double Bubble – Daddy's got work to do.."
this is the quality of the graduate schools? yeah lil boy youre a conservative, whats youre favorite song? "Livin a Lie" or is it "I'm a social leech", "or I'M a really big internet blogger"…ok Obama boy keep up the good "work"
Skyline chili hotdogs suck.
You would know. Do you swallow after felching?
You're huffin' and puffin' Lib. That tiny brain runny out of ideas?
You need to stop worrying about graduate schools or my level of education and start concentrate on getting that long sought after G.E.D.
To quote the great one, Dean Wormer:
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son".
Heed the Dean, Lib, heed the Dean…
Liberty=EPIC DUNCE
ok child give yourself that big pat on the back in self congratulations, youre an embarassment to anyone in grad school. f-ing pathetic, you go Obama boy
you been a cold fish since the arm broke on the chair your boyfriend usually bends you over to schtoop your pooper.
Learn how to spell before you ridicule education, you dumbass fuckwit.
Let it go Lib. Let the grad school stuff go…it's basically 17th grade with smaller classes and no lunch period.
YEE HAW! My U.Texas El Paso Miners are in the NCAA! (26-6)
Ooohh, now that's scary."I didn't start…..I will finish it".Ha ha ha.Coming from a halfwit dickbreath who has the mentality of a juvenile delinquent and the IQ of a stick that's about as valid a threat as Liberace saying he's gonna' be Heavyweight World Champion.I know Liberace is your guiding light, but let's talk reality here.+Hanzo+
This pathetic excuse of humanity HATES anyone who has bothered to educate theirself.Shithead dosen't want to be shown up.That's why I wonder he dosen't stick to an elementary school website. +Hanzo+
This piece of sh!t ran out of ideas looooong ago, hence the calling of everyone "obama boy".Same droning crap over and over and over and over, you get the idea. ;^) +Hanzo+
Well the NAZI's ran their reign of terror on propaganda lies, and this regime does to.The NAZI's lasted 12 years, this reign will only last 4….
The pyramids were built to keep the populace busy during the farming off-season.It's how you stay in power…you can baffle the people with bs or force them to build bs;either way you get the same result, opressive government.
you crack yourself up dont ya, what a Lib. I have all the accoutrements (look everybody i used a big word, look mommy) Dont bring your kids with you I dont want to embarass you in front of them. Im shakin in my shoes thinkin about your effete good typying hands and your schoolmarm toughness…youre a real keyboard queen your limp wrists just float over the keys
you crack yourself up dont ya, what a Lib. I have all the accoutrements (look everybody i used a big word, look mommy am i a "smart" lib now) Dont bring your kids with you I dont want to embarass you in front of them. Im shakin in my shoes thinkin about your effete good typying hands and your schoolmarm toughness…youre a real keyboard queen your limp wrists just float over the keys
I think he's done for awhile. Hee hee.
You know what? This might be funny in the right time and place but it looks like you're all on the same team. I don't know why you're fighting and I don't care. But save the jabs for tweaking Liberals because they're wasted on infighting (unless that's your Liberal intent). And don't waste time responding because I won't.
well, pretty typical. Oh, its so much better over there. Oh yeah, why'd you leave? They often stammer a bit. Sometimes play that colonial imperialists stole everything bit.
warning, when trying to have a rational fact based discussion with kool aid drinkers, they sometimes try to spit in your face, you know like camels and cobras do.
Seriously, you are so right.
Fact is, they're jealous as hell over our wealth and political stability. First thing when they arrive, though, they want to change us, make us progressive. They totally forget that our wealth and stability came from NOT being progressive (socialistic).
We've been able to do great things for the world precisely because we've been unlike the rest of the world. But now, we've got the great ego who calls himself Barack, and he's determined to turn us into a third-world sh*t hole.
Seriously, you are so right.
They're green with envy over what we've achieved, and they fail to understand that all that achievement came from being UNLIKE the rest of the world.
Our Dear Leader, though, won't be happy until we're just a collection of third-world level state governments, waiting on our next federal paycheck, followed by the next federal directive.
You're one pathetic moron. Hey, punk – say "hi" to your wife and the mailman's kids for me!
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you have me confused with your Dad
A better simile: macroeconomics is like climate science. In the peer reviewed literature, reviewers don't look at the manipulations of data that go into the models, and they don't review the computer code, with all the assumptions about parameters, algorithms, and functional forms of the equations that drive the results. They are GIGO models — garbage in, garbage out — but they fit the carefully manipulated data and the modelers' preconceived notions to a T. Modern macroeconomics is intellectually baseless. Take out all the macroeconomists who build DSGE models and shoot them. Then throw out all the textbooks and begin over again.
The nice thing about the Keynsian approach is that those using them can keep up their excesses until the whole process breaks down or goes flying out of orbit.
For those willing to bust an economy in order to seize control and redistribute wealth along what they deem more equitable lines, such a disenfranchisement would be no problem.
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I'm 50 + in age……….In return for govt spending cuts, repeals and rollbacks……..I'd give up my SS retirement accumulated ot date……….
but I'd want to Starve the Beast from this point on with future SS tax's……….
but then again I'm self employed and will tighten up the bookwork and tax planning regardless to do so If Obama care in place………and my employees are at risk of cuts also…………
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