The Greek Tragedy…and America’s Future?
by Dan MitchellThe fiscal crisis in Greece is fascinating political theater, in part because the Balkan nation is a leading indicator for what will probably happen in many other countries. The most puzzling feature of the crisis is the assumption in other European capitals, discussed in the BBC article below, that a Greek default is the worst possible result. It certainly would not be good news, especially for investors who thought it was safe to lend money to the government, but there are several reasons why the long-term pain resulting from a bailout would be even worse.

1. Bailing out Greece will reward over-spending politicians and make future fiscal crises more likely. In a four-year period between 2005 and 2009, Greek politicians expanded the burden of government spending from an already excessive level of 43.8 percent of GDP to an even more excessive level of 51.3 percent of GDP. Subsidies are rampant, the public sector is bloated, civil service pay is way too high, and entitlements are wildly unsustainable. A fiscal crisis – with no escape options – is probably the only hope of reversing these disastrous policies. So why, then, would it make sense for Germany and other nations to provide an escape option?
2. Bailing out Greece will reward greedy and short-sighted interest groups, particularly overpaid government workers. Greece is in trouble because the the people riding in society’s wagon assumed that there would always be enough chumps to pull the wagon. In reality, Greece is turning into a real-world version of Atlas Shrugged. Government has become such a burden that the job creators and wealth generators have given up and/or moved their money out of the country. Should taxpayers in other nations reward the greed and narcissism of Greece’s interest groups by being forced to pull the wagon instead?
3. Bailing out Greece will encourage profligacy in Spain, Italy, and other nations. The hot acronym in public finance circles is PIIGS, which is shorthand for Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, and Spain. Greece is getting all the attention now, but these other countries have the same problems of excessive spending, bloated and dysfunctional public sectors, and unsustainable finances. What happens in Greece will send a very clear signal to the politicians in these nations, much as a parent who lets the oldest child run rampant is sending signals the younger siblings. Does anybody doubt that a bailout of Greece will discourage the other PIIGS from undertaking needed reforms?
4. Bailing out Greece is not necessary to save the euro. This is the most puzzling feature of this Greek tragedy (sorry, I couldn’t resist). There is a pervasive assumption that a default somehow would cripple the common currency of most European Union nations. But why would a default in Greece undermine the euro? If California went under, after all, that would not cripple the US dollar. There are unpleasant things that would probably happen following a Greek default, but the stability and strength of a currency is a function of central bank behavior. And so long as the European Central Bank does not crank up the proverbial printing press to monetize Greece’s debt, the euro should be fine.
In my darker moments, I have sometimes warned audiences of what will happen when a majority of voters in a country or a state become dependent on government. In such an environment, it obviously becomes much more difficult to put together an electoral coalition that will lead to fiscal changes that shrink the burden of government and curtail the predatory state. This is what has happened to Greece, and what is soon going to happen in other European nations (and, barring reform, what will eventually happen in the United States). The irony of this situation is that even the folks riding in the wagon should favor reform. After all, a parasite needs a healthy host.
For background info, here’s an excerpt from the BBC article:
Despite heavy rain, there have been rallies across Greece throughout the day, with thousands of striking workers and pensioners gathering in the capital, Athens. …The unions regard the austerity programme as a declaration of war against the working and middle classes… “It’s a war against workers and we will answer with war, with constant struggles until this policy is overturned,” said Christos Katsiotis, a union member affiliated to the Communist Party, at the Athens rally. …On Tuesday, Prime Minister George Papandreou’s socialist government announced that it intends to raise the average retirement age from 61 to 63 by 2015 in a bid to save the cash-strapped pensions system. …Mr Papandreou has already faced down a three-week protest by farmers demanding higher government subsidies. …The markets remain sceptical that Greece will be able to pay its debts and many investors believe the country will have to be bailed out. The uncertainty has recently buffeted the euro and the problems have extended to Spain and Portugal, which are also struggling with their deficits. The possibility of Greece or one of the other stricken countries being unable to pay its debts – and either needing an EU bailout or having to abandon the euro – has been called the biggest threat yet to the single currency. Ahead of the talks between EU leaders in Brussels on Thursday, some business media reported that Germany is preparing to lead a possible bail-out, supported by France and other eurozone members.






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No Fear whatsoever about Greece.
Greece is simply too big to fail. Didn't everyone know that?
Officer Krumpke… we got problems of our own
Gosh I sure hope the European nations take care of this one on their own this time.
I don't think Normandy has any more room for additional white crosses and six pointed stars.
The Christian Democratic Union in Germany (the main party in Germany supporting the bailout) is nothing but a bunch of atheist fascists.
I guess the reason George W. Bush gave Angela Merkel (PM of Germany and de facto leader of the CDU) those backrubs was to convert her from her atheistic, fascistic ways.
President Obama has another victory…major hotel in Vegas is closing! The American people lose again! We can't sit still for much more of this!
Most folks today don't know about this, and US, and what we did.
They don't teach this in the faschist madrassas more commonly referred to as Public Schools today.
Better fire up the popcorn kettle. This is just the start. Guess I should make a beer run, too.
Wait 'til Spain folds. That's gonna make a big splat.
Well, at least folks are taking his advice to heart, and not spending their hard earned dollars in Vegas. Gotta hand it to Barry.
They have Greece, we have California, not sure who is better off!
The same case can be made for NOT bailing out my state of CA. We don't deserve it and we need to learn the painful lesson of profligate spending and unfunded out of control pension and pay systems.
Hmmm.
Good point.
Perhaps we should trade them Greece for Kaliforni-yah!
Kaliforni-yah! had the 8th largest economy in the world; consequently, that will equate to the worlds largest bailout. It would be cheaper if we swapped even up with Greece. The women are prettier, and don't wear Birkenstocks.
the EUs only concern regarding "bailing out" Greece is to further maintain it's control over Greece, and nothing more – the UN has made it quite clear that, should Greece accept their money, "their is no getting out." Hmmm where else have we seen such rhetoric – perhaps, by orgianized crime syndicates
Greece… Just a bunch of dilapidated buildings.
Although much attention has been mis-focused on Greece, LaRouche has emphasized that the epicenter of the European crisis is not Greece but Spain, and its Banco Santander. For example, of total German bank exposure in the eurozone of some 540 billion euros, Greek debt accounts for only 43 billion, or 8% of the total. Spain, by contrast, amounts to 240 billion euros, or 44% of the total.
meanwhile back at the ranch:
Kyser cautioned that the threat of the state defaulting on its billions of dollars in bond debut has become a distinct possibility. As of Dec. 1, California had $83.5 billion in long-term bond debt, with most of the debt, $64 billion, in general obligation notes, which are financed by the state's general fund.
,,,,,,,,,like Detroit.
Sierra M37, Total agreement here (San Jose). CA needs to feel the pain so that it can adjust. What's the saying, "No Pain No Gain".
Zing.
Greece needs to take a que from the FED, the Treasury, Fannie and Freddie and Wall Street:
" A rolling loan gathers no loss".
Just roll those loans out the door. Socialize the losses.
"Greece is in trouble because the the people riding in society’s wagon assumed that there would always be enough chumps to pull the wagon"
Is there really any difference between Greece and the USA…? We have a pretty large wagon here, and more than enough chumps to pull it.
"The irony of this situation is that even the folks riding in the wagon should favor reform. After all, a parasite needs a healthy host."
Mr. Obama is working real hard at reproducing more parasites, I can only image the host is going to die soon, unless we start to treat the disease, and not the symptoms.
Thanks Mr. Mitchell. It's always a pleasure reading your work.
"Greece is in trouble because the the people riding in society’s wagon assumed that there would always be enough chumps to pull the wagon"
Is there really any difference between Greece and the USA…? We have a pretty large wagon here, and more than enough chumps to pull it.
"The irony of this situation is that even the folks riding in the wagon should favor reform. After all, a parasite needs a healthy host."
Mr. Obama is working real hard at reproducing more parasites, I can only image the host is going to die soon, unless we start to treat the disease, and not the symptoms.
Thanks Mr. Mitchell. It's always a pleasure reading your work.
My God!! Why would anyone want to support Greek failure? And an ever worsening failure.
And Obama is using this very same blueprint against the American People. Relentlessly. And his new "budget" is going to continue to pay for it. Look in the mirror and see who is paying for all of this. And Mr. Obama continues to ignore the anger of the citizenry who is literally rising up against him. Sooner or later, and most are now reckoning sooner, the Tea Party Rebellion is coming for Mr. Obama.
Do Greek women shave their pits? Ewwwww
From now on, everyone knows that without the concrete help of citizens, the state will have neither the means nor the time to carry on the work that can prevent our society from exploding.
To big to fail. Now let me think……….sounds familiar…… where have I heard that before? Hmm… Oh well , maybe I'll think of it later.
our California senate just passed a universal health bill. CA is along way from dealing with reality.
palo alto city janitors make 100k.
I've been reading a lot about Greece, Portugal, and Spain financial meltdown possibilities the past week, and I'm hearing an echo of the, "too big to fail" mantra, but there's one thing I can't get past: How will throwing imaginary money at a real debt cure anything? I think the EU will be fooling themselves if they think bailouts will help these profligate countries. Greek government beneficiaries are protesting, and I think what they need is a dose of reality. Let them fail, and then see how eager they are to rebuild an unsustainable socialist "EU-topia."
The EU is a house of cards. Sooner or later it's going to collapse. The one-size-fits-all Euro is a disaster for the weaker member countries, and any financial shell game is only going to delay the inevitable and make the crash landing harder. Not just for the PIIGS either, for the whole miserable ball of wax.
"Subsidies are rampant, the public sector is bloated, civil service pay is way too high, and entitlements are wildly unsustainable."
That's all folks……..
"How will throwing imaginary money at a real debt cure anything?"
Beautiful line!
We just have to throw imaginary money forever. Just until we die. Then it's some other guys problem.
And so on and so forth!
coming to a town near you!!!
government and the unions just like mixing oil and water. it never mixes well, always messy, and a real pain in the a– to clean up.
Why can't governments conduct their affairs like people have to? Spend what they take in, no more. Maybe even set aside a bit for emergencies. Instead they spend themselves into insolvency or inflation.
The dominoes begin to fall!!! America is structured the same!
At last, something he said came to fruition! I bet Michelle is so proud!
……..for the first time in her life……….
Let me mention two little problems the USA has to face: Entitlement costs increasing every year, plus the entitlements themselves; out of control government spending at all governmental levels; limiting governmental control over our lives; Oops, arithmetic skills or lack thereof.
Seriously, we need to vote out all Democrat Party members now in Congress, send them all looking for work in the private sector. Then, we need to make sure all members of Congress work for the country and not for their vested personal interests. Extra-Constitutional acts by Congress and by the administration must cease and must be overturned legally and swiftly.
No. DETROIT is.
Look at the bright side, Rome took over for a drying Greek state and incorporated much of it's culture into it's own and Rome lasted a long, long, long time! America modeled itself after that Rome (Rome did begin as a Republic too, you know), and following the Roman model, we are scheduled to change the Republic into a Dictatorship! Oh no! There is no bright side is there? Oh well— does look like a job for the world bank with TARP thrown in, doesn't it?
I'll take Greece, it previously worked for Rome!
I hear you all, but I see a bail-out coming!
Right-on!!! It is a governmental reorganization of crime syndicates, only this time the syndicate IS GOVERNMENT!
You're in Chicago, try visiting New York City!
I understand it's PIGS! That is Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain all are going down with the ship–led by some form of Marxism too, I'm sure!
WATCH!
Because they followed a Marxist Model!!!~
Be careful!!! Yes, about 1/3 to 1/2 Democrats are Progressives, but there are Republican Progressives too! Follow their history! For instance, that the Bush family has been living and conducting family business in Marxist China almost from the beginning (before???) of Mao! And, what about McCain???
Looks like I see "who" has "say" over these posts from my last post!
PIIGS, don't forget Ireland is floundering too. Greece is the tip of the iceberg the EU is about to blunder into.
But yet American politicians insist on enlarging the debt funded entitlement state. How much of a warning will it take to shake the US out of this stupidity? Watch as the Feds bailout our CaMiMa- California, Michigan, Massachusetts, and then sign away national sovereignty for an IMF bailout.
They are better off, I believe that California's budget is greater than Greece's budget.
An illegal, unConstitutional bailout.
…….like most major American cities.
EU crisis, didn't we see that in a movie called Titanic?
@victor – if you respond to a post then it will show under the replies to that post, not a new comment at the bottom of the list.
Why would they list Spain??They went GREEN and have a GREEN economy….Um, what did Obama say at the state of the union about green jobs?!!??
Greed….but you knew that right?
Yeah, sounds all to familiar…especially in CA.
Instead of throwing tea into Boston harbor, we need to choke it full of politicians and lawyers.Throw,drown,sink,repeat…
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