21.1 Million Reasons Big Labor Pours Money into ObamaCare

What many fail to understand is there will be many who WILL NOT allow care by the SEIU bots. My children know that my estate will be given to charity if they do not provide the care I need. Bye-bye inheiritence. What they do is not Union work rather Socialist. Why would I want an 8$ an hour lazy piece of scum assisting me? I DON"T!!!

THIS COMMING ELECTION TRUE AMERICANS NEED TO EXPOSE THE PROGRESSIVES IN ALL ELECTED POSITIONS FROM COURTROOMS TO THE WHITEHOUSE…… ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE AND IN THE MIDDLE……….. AUDIT THE FED…….

AND GET TRUE AMERICANS WHO FOLLOW THE OATH…
TRUE AMERICANS DONT WANT OUR COUNTRY TO BE LIKE ANY OTHERS.
TRUE AMERICANS WANT TO BE AMERICANS AND NOT ?/AMERICANS…..

There's a reason why most actors in Hollywood are liberal; liberal politicians pretend and act like they care about people all the time. Goes hand in hand, I guess.

It is not plausible to believe anyone siding in any way shape or form with the WH and entire administrations cares. Yes they do so long as it bolsters their own agenda and weakens our nation. Short of that caring is merely a pipe dream much as is hope and change.

great article….but don't forget….the $60 million SEIU donated last year to get Obama elected, along with other demorats…..was spent to get a return on that investment…..moving current union workers of about 16 million up to about 32 million has been the plan all along. Irrespective of the fact that Medicare and Medicaid must be subsidized by our cadillac insurance plans?????….cause they, respectively, only pay 80 cents and 70 cents on the dollar for healthcare. You can see where this train wreck is headed,as more Hospitals and Doctors refuse Medicare and Medicaid patients….the govt will be forced to take over these facilities, hiring union workers at much higher wages….sending healthcare expenses skyrocketing out of sight….to be subsidized by taxpayers…..hmmmm……..hmmmm….hmmmmmm

yes, it will hurt them…

But they are counting on everbody else hurting WORSE. This way they can say, see you got a better deal then the next guy.

Rush calls it 'spreading the misery'. Have to agree with him there…

You need to get out more Mika! LOL

Shhhhh….. Steve, use your quiet words. Caps lock off, pinkie fingers at the ready to drive home important points. Now blog on my brother.

I compare Unions to motor oil. At first things run great but unless you want a bunch of sludge, you need to change the oil every once in a while. Most union members turn into sludge after a while and hide behind their "seniority" instead of their work ethic and productivity. Ever increasing benefits with less and less productivity until you get something like a GM or Chrysler. I can't wait until that happens with health care. No incentive to work or be challenged for the job when you can stand on your seniority.

nice pinkie ring, andy.

1966? Why not compare our government spending to 1866, or 1766? It would be just as relevant. instead of comparing current government spending with 1966, try comparing the U.S. to other developed nations. You will find that we measure up rather well.

21.1 Million Reasons Big Labor Pours Money into ObamaCare
by Don Loos: It's to INTER-NATIONALIZE WORLD WORKERS UNION UNDER THE MARXIST PARTY!

Who cares? I'm moving to Nebraska or Louisiana. They have better crooks there.

No suprises here! Acorn and the SEIU paid good money for Obama (I don't want to imply that they own him OH!! he** yes I do), and now it's payback time. Welcome to Chicago folks, "Vote eary, Vote often". The Unions have a plan and it's really simple. Once there is nationalized healthcare they can sluff off all there pensioned member and really rake in some cash. Forced membership will complete the puzzle and we are now in France! I guess the good news is that apparently the French voted France as the number 1 place in the world to live, we (the USA) are number 7. Term limits 2 and gone and how about a presidential lemon law?

With the decline of heavy industry in America, most people learned the lesson that it's possible to kill the Golden Goose — ask for too much and eventually, you'll get nothing.

Andy Stern learned and entirely different lesson. He learned: get as much salary as you can, get as many befenfits as you can dream up, get as big and as early a retirement package as humanly possible… get all of those things… just get them from someone who can't go bankrupt!

That is the goal behind everything he does. His aim is to move his entire union onto the government payroll, as actual or defacto gov't. employees, with the end result being federal guarantees of every speck of every contract, no matter how extravagant.

For instance: If he can capture the government janitorial workers for his union, he can merge them with the remaining private janitorial employees. He can insist their contract be equal, and since the government workers get guaranteed pensions and post-retirement health care packages, then his private employees should get government guarantees as well. After that, the sky's the limit. Possible bankruptcy of the private employer is no longer a limit on salary or benefits, his union members will get theirs whether from Company XYZ of Government USA.

Infinite salary, infinite benefits, infinite power for him and his, infinite bills for you. The new Union Way.

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I watch Rachel every night. I also try to watch the last half hour of Bret Baier on Fox News. So I see what you people see.

Liberal masses, I like that. I may have to steal it…

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That is a temporary increase due to the need for economic stimulus during the recession. I don't know of any president who wants to waste political capital on something so un-fulfilling, but you play the hand you are dealt. I suspect total government spending will settle back into historical levels once the economy begins to move again.

So much of what I see on this blog is driving by a wish to return to "the good old days". When we look back at history with a critical eye, we find that just about any decade you choose to study has problems that were at least as serious as we face today. The only common thread in the simpler time theory is us. We were children and we played and laughed and someone took care of our every need. Now we are adults faced with hard choices and we can't go back. This is our time. It's all up to us here and now.

First of all, we are not talking about federal government spending, we are talking about all government spending (fed, state, local). Much of the increase in federal spending is going to the states to cover budget shortfalls brought on by the decreasing revenues caused by the recession. The states will recover and that federal spending will stop.

There was a big difference between 1932 and today. The Great Depression was caused by a business cycle accompanied by bank failures and stock market collapse. Our recession is man made… as in, didn't have to happen. It was brought on by governmental failure to properly regulate banks and financial markets. A housing bubble that was created by unrealistic Fed monetary policy creating cheap credit and lax lending standards. We created an entire new class of investments that privatized profits and socialized the risk. So in that sense, government was indeed the problem.

The fix however is not to let the markets regulate themselves. Banks have stopped lending, businesses have stopped hiring and consumers have stopped spending. Our savings rate has risen to 10 percent while banking liquidity dried up. Consumers are absolutely right to be paying down debt and saving their money. But what is good for the individual is poison for our economy. With everything at a standstill the federal government is the spender of last result. And for a while it was the only game in town. The President knows what I know… that any attempt to cut spending when no one else is spending is recipe for Depression. That could take us five or 10 years to recover from and destroy $50 in wealth. In light of that, a $trillion stimulus is money well spent.

The federal spending is not planned to stop. Neither is the State and Local Spending. That is the point. My point is that Keynes was wrong. The depression was not stopped by the government stimulus of the time. In fact, unemployment never dropped below 14% from 32 until 40. A trillion dollars in stimulus did not help the Japanese in the 90s either. That is the point. We have tried this before and it has failed. The spender of last resort idea appears to be, at best, neutral, and at worst, harmful.

As for the depression, it was caused by a bubble, just as the one in 21 and the ones in the 1890s, etc. The federal reserve worsened it with bad monetary policy, creating another argument against intervention. Frankly, saing the stimulus was the only game in town is incorrect. The spending associated with it so far is nothing more than a sugar rush. Really, take a minute to review where it went and how much was spent. A majority was on consumption, not on investment. Nothing for the long term. So we get short term relief from a deeper recession, but increase significantly the risk of a longer cycle of downturn. Just like the thirties. But at least we appeared to be doing something, right, and enough people will believe it really helped to keep the current powers that be in power.

Best,

Lazy Jack

Well said…

But… and there is always a but isn't there Jack? The depression was actually a double dip recession. FDR achieved historic stimulation of the economy by a government, but he faced lots of push back from conservatives in his congress. He pulled in some spending and around 1937 we watched unemployment spike again. It took the greatest government spending program in the history of the world to stimulate the economy and get us out of the depression… WWII.

The war was just a giant government stimulus plan that got companies hiring and unemployment went as close to full employment that we are likely ever to see. I disagree that it makes any difference what we spend the money on (from an economic standpoint). All that stuff we built during the war was consumed by the war, and very little was left over in terms of infrastructure.

There is a fun video on youtube where an economist is describing how to stimulate the economy. He says if you walk to work nothing good happens. But if you drive to work you use up fuel and depreciate you vehicle and you stop at the donut store and get a snack and wear and tear on your tires etc. But if you really want to stimulate the economy, you get into an accident. Even better if it's an injury accident. Because now you have put lots of wheels in motion and it all generates cash changing hands. From car repairs to hospital bills. It's all stimulus. It was done tongue in cheek, but his point is well taken.

The lambs are being led to slaughter. Don't worry, they'll complain to their politicians to fix the problem, and the politicians will find another way to "fix" it to our further detriment.

I've wittnessed it first hand with the UAW and the CWA. Once someone gets "seniority" they feel immune to being cut loose for slacking off. And the union thug bosses (stewards) are right there to defend them. And when companies have slow downs and have to idle workers, well, they're forced to keep the "senior" union workers regardless of performance. Pretty soon, the sludge starts to build up over time, and in the end a company has a labor force full of sludge and the bright, energetic, top performers have moved on to another company. Then you wind up with a labor force which is overpaid, underperforms, has golden benefits, and it bankrupts the companies in the end. If the companies are large enough, instead of fighting it, they just off-shore the factories somewhere else to avoid the cycle.

I spoke to some other doctors at work about this last week. On thinkprogress.com they have been pushing the idea that all healthcare workers will have to become union govt workers for some time. At my hospital, 90% said they would quit and 10% said they would be happy with the shorter hours.

Have fun with the Rathke brothers and Acorn in Louisiana. They are building and Acorn complex on the water.

The rub is, it is all short term. In today's example, we will deficit spend at more than a trillion dollars per year. That means that investors, who might have invested in businesses directly, buy treasury securities instead. So that $1.6 trillion or so that would have been put to work immediately in the private sector this year instead is funneled into the federal government. Yes, it gets spent, after we pay the bureaucrats and lose 8 to 12% to graft and corruption (admittedly, that is also stimulus). At the end, what are we left with? Keynes pretended there was a multiplier effect to this spending, but with all the subtractions and inefficiencies, it is arguable that every dollar translates into 70 cents in the economy. Fewer factories are built. Less R&D is accomplished.

I would be delighted if all this spending works, but the evidence against it is compelling. As for World War II pulling us out of the depression; it did, but not because of the stimulus of the spending. After the war, when the rest of the world was one big disaster area, the U.S. had the only healthy industrial capacity needed to sell goods that the rest of the planet needed. Their misfortune helped us survive the aftermath of the depression. Spending on munitions alone could not do it. It was the rebuilding and our need to privately invest in capacity that really fixed things. As we can see from recent events, war alone is never enough of a stimulus, is it?

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Lazy Jack

Pretty hard to compare our little diversion in Iraq and Afghanistan to WWII and then say that it proves war doesn't end depressions. If the current wars cost 200 billion a year that would be what, about 1.5 percent of GDP? I don't have the numbers off the top of my head but I'll bet WWII was considerably more… around 35 percent of GDP just the part of federal spending that covered the war. So I have to disagree that WWII did not end the Great Depression. WWII crushed the depression.

I would go further and say the New Deal prepared the country for the huge federal undertaking that was WWII. In the 1920s the central government was truly small enough to "drown in the bathtub" as Grover Norquist likes to say. But the steady growth provided by the increase in government spending to manage stimulus projects prepared us as nothing else could have.

So fast forward to 2010 and our problem may not be that government is spending too much on stimulus, but not enough. (that's going to help my street cred back at the liberal club house). I hope it is not more war spending, but it could be we are in for another round of stimulus packages if this recovery stalls.

The argument is not about a simpler time. Since 1932 we have consistently chosen to allocate more of our scarce resources by pushing them through organs of state in this country. Yet, we somehow always calculate that the hand we are dealt today somehow has nothing to do with the distortions caused by the government. We assume, like automatons, that the government is a moral being capable of doing great good and taking care of everyone. Logic would dictate that since government is now spending 45% of GDP that it is part of the problem. Yet we remain credulous, convinced of the infinite wisdom and benevolence of the state.

By the way, if you think the spending is short term, then you have not looked at the White House’s ten year budget projections. Perhaps as adults we should, for the first time since 1932, grow up and make a really different choice: slash the federal budget to just the year 2000 GDP levels of 18.5% and really make the hard choices. Or we can do what we have done for nearly 80 years, hope someone else will make them for us.

Best,

Lazy Jack

mikatollah act of contrition…

I want to thank the nice folks on biggovernment.com for sharing their time and ideas with me for these past few weeks as I have thoroughly enjoyed myself. I try and conduct myself with proper respect and a sence of humor, and not get drawn into flame wars that always seem to generate a life of their own.

I know I have offended many of you with my use of the term "teabagger". It seemed harmless at first when I believed this list was filled with knuckleheads. I justified it by telling myself and others that it's ok because others do it. But I was wrong. There are many good people here who love their country and are just as passionate about their politics as I.

So to all of you I give my heartfelt apology and hope you can find it in your hearts to forgive. I want to assure you that the word will never pass my lips again, either while blogging or in my personal life. The word is dead to me.

I'm not going anywhere and I look forward to future debates. And just a note, you are going to see this post several times because I am going to post it everywhere I find someone that I know I particularly offended.

mikatollah

Is it that you don't care about the facts or is that you don't take the time to think through what your saying. If I am correct Ford Motor Co did not take any bail out money, did not declare bankruptcy and just posted significant gains in their sales and profits. The employees of Ford are represented by the same Union as Chrysler and GM and have substantially the same contract, wages and benefits. The difference between these three companies was the management. It would seem to me that given the facts the failure of Chrysler and GM has more to do with the decisions made my management than the wages and benefits paid to the hard working autoworkers.

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I can't tell if you are kidding, but I tell you, SEIU and ACORN are waiting for HOME HEALTH AIDES! They passed a Proposition here in Missouri to use state money to "recruit, train and ORGANIZE" home health aides. The reason given was to allow the elderly to remain in their homes rather than a nursing home. WATCH OUT THEY ARE PLANNING.

Why don't every union member that is against this just cut off paying dues…there should be plenty of y'all. While we are on the subject of holding money, there are some groups getting formed to find out a legal way to quit paying…GASP…taxes! God help 'em!

the healthcare system is going to melt down into a big blob of crap if they get this passed.

take a hard look at canada and you will see that it simply will not work.

big business wants it as they see shedding health care as a way to boost profits. the increased taxes will increase the cost of goods annd services for us all. Inflation will be astronomical if this debacle passes.

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