1988 Redux-Mitt Romney’s Willie Horton?
by D.L. AdamsFormer Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney announced on April 11 that he is “formally exploring a presidential bid”. As such, because a 2012 Romney run would be a repetition of his 2008 attempt at presidential power, a look back is reasonable due diligence for every voter.
When Michael Dukakis, another Governor of Massachusetts, ran for the great office in 1988 there were many who considered him a serious contender. After all, he had the much-touted but highly questionable “Massachusetts Miracle” claim of economic prosperity in that state during the mid to later parts of that decade to bolster his profile. Many voters in Massachusetts were skeptical (Dukakis carried his home state, but few others).
George Bush appeared a lackluster candidate in comparison and almost “too easy” to beat it seemed at the time. But there were ghosts that haunted Mr. Dukakis. As the Democratic candidate seemed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and Mr. Bush became “Bush #1” it was clear that, for Mr. Dukakis’ campaign, the man and the hour had certainly not met.
Analysts and voters during the 1988 election cycle found at least three negatives about Mr. Dukakis that he could not overcome – and which seemed to unavoidably bring him to defeat. The first was his bizarrely cold and politician-like answer during the second presidential debate to moderator Bernard Shaw’s question: “Governor, if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer?”
Dukakis’ spiritless, calculating, politician-like answer stunned the nation. “No, I don’t, and I think you know that I’ve opposed the death penalty during all of my life.” This unfortunate, but honest, answer essentially ended the debates. Dukakis lost.
In addition to this stunning exposure of calculation and lack of passion, the photo of Dukakis in the Abrams tank - likely the failed brainchild plan of some marketing hack – confirmed the public’s fears of the Democratic candidate’s poor judgment and character flaws. But what really ended the Dukakis campaign was the masterful use of the Willie Horton scandal by the Republicans.
Massachusetts is known for its liberal politics. Barney Frank is from Massachusetts (and Edward M. Kennedy). Liberalism reaches to the core of Massachusetts’ political and public culture. Willie Horton was a convicted murderer released into society by a forgiving liberal Massachusetts judicial system prior to the end of his mandated sentence. Had Horton disappeared into daily life on his furlough as the forgiving, nice jurists had unreasonably expected, Mr. Dukakis may very well have been elected president despite his missteps and questionable judgment. But the Horton case would not die; it would not die because the Republicans would not allow it to go away. Shortly after his release, Horton committed new crimes including vicious assault and rape.
Dukakis had supported the “compassionate” program through which the criminal had been released to commit further atrocities. The idea became a strong one in the collective mind of the American electorate that Mr. Dukakis’ judgment was questionable and that he was “soft on crime.” The Republican campaign helped America to not forget.
More cynical, entertainment-oriented voters might say, what does the 1988 campaign have to with 2012? They might add that history is “history” and doesn’t affect us today. They are wrong. They are wrong because former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney has similar mountainous problems to overcome.
The nightmarish case of one Daniel Tavares, a convicted murderer held in a Massachusetts prison only to be released by a Romney-appointed liberal judge, to kill again in another state, is now almost entirely forgotten.
If Mr. Romney becomes the Republican nominee the Democrats and reasonable people across the country will have a great deal of soul-searching to do on this case. Because the convicted murderer killed again due to Massachusetts’ leniency and “liberal tolerance” for such things (Massachusetts liberal politicians did not learn the “Willie Horton lesson” of being “soft on crime” from 1988) this case will certainly come up in the 2012 campaign.
Few media outlets covered this case in 2007. Few media outlets are covering this important story today now that Mr. Romney may well stand again for President.
The facts of this very ugly case are these:
- Daniel T. Tavares is sentenced in June, 1992 to 17-20 years in prison for brutally killing his mother.
‘He was a vicious kid. A lot of mistakes were made with Daniel Tavares,’ said retired Somerset Detective John D. O’Neil, who obtained a videotaped confession from Tavares just hours after he killed his mother, Ann Marie Tavares, in 1991. ‘Someone stabs his mother 26 times. It doesn’t get more vicious than that. You have to think about him getting out again, and then he did,’ O’Neil said.
- Tavares goes before Romney-appointed Judge Kathe Tuttman to request early release because he had served the lower end of his sentence. Tavares has a history of violent behavior in prison including at least one assault on a guard.
- Three days prior to the day he was to be released from prison, assault charges were filed against Tavares, June 11, 2007. Judge Martha Brennan ordered him held on $100,000 bail.
- Romney-appointed judge Kathe Tuttman cancels the $100,000 bail. Tavares is released on personal recognizance.
- Tavares has been in jail for ten years for the vicious murder of his mother. Judge Tuttman states from the bench that she does not believe Tavares to be a flight risk. This is July 16, 2007, there is pending legal action on the assault case.
‘It’s difficult to believe he was able to get away,’ said Timothy Connolly, a spokesman for Worcester District Attorney Joseph Early Jr. Connolly said Early was notified by the state police that Tavares was able to buy a plane ticket and fly across the country despite two open warrants for his arrest.
- Tavares leaves the state and goes to Graham, Washington in Pierce County.
- November 17, 2007, Tavares walks to the residence of his neighbors – a newlywed couple, Brian Mauck, 30, and Beverly Mauck, 28. Tavares shoots and kills both Brian and Beverly Mauck.
Eric Fehrnstrom, a spokesman for then-Governor Romney, said (November, 2007) that Judge Kathe M. Tuttman should never have freed Daniel T. Tavares Jr. on personal recognizance in July after he was charged with assaulting two prison guards.
‘There was a system-wide failure in this case starting with the judge,’ Fehrnstrom said in a statement yesterday. ‘Her decision represented an inexplicable lapse in judgment and was inexcusable. Unless there are facts unknown to us, Governor Romney believes Judge Tuttman should resign.’
Asked (11/24/07) if he was afraid the press attention on Tuttman would create a similar situation (Willie Horton and Dukakis), Romney said simply, “No, not really.”
Twenty months after he put a career prosecutor on the Massachusetts Superior Court bench, confident in her law-and-order credentials, Mitt Romney called yesterday for the judge to resign because she released without bail a convicted killer who went on to allegedly kill again. (Boston Globe; LA Times)
Superior Court Chief Justice Barbara J. Rouse issued a statement of support for the judge on November 26, 2007 several days after Governor Romney called for Judge Tuttman’s resignation.
The wisdom and effectiveness of the Massachusetts court system is clearly open to question in this case. However, what is more important is the Chief Executive who, through his decision as Governor, appointed the judge who allowed the killer to go free to kill again.
In December, 2007, Two members of the board that appointed Judge Kathe Tuttman now want her booted from the bench, charging that former Gov. Mitt Romney did not inform them of her involvement as a prosecutor in a botched case that freed a child rapist.
‘This is ridiculous. The Romney people didn’t do their investigation,’ Governor’s Councilor Marilyn Pettito-Devaney said.
It is admirable that two “members of the board” wanted to see Judge Tuttman held accountable and removed but, more importantly, how much influence did Governor Romney actually exercise? To his credit then-Governor Romney called for the judge’s resignation but how much judgment was involved on his part in the selection of Tuttman in the first place?
These are important questions as their answers might illustrate both the powers held by Romney at the time (powers reserved to himself by his own choosing) and his ability to make wise decisions as Chief Executive of the State of Massachusetts.
According to Mr. Romney, in his role as Governor of the State of Massachusetts, he alone reserved the “responsibility to evaluate judicial temperament and philosophy.” (As of this writing, Judge Tuttman appears on the “Judges” page of the Massachusetts Court System.)
When Romney took office in 2003, he pledged a ’squeaky clean process that has no room for politics and favors.’ Yet in February 2006, complaining (that) the JNC (Judicial Nominating Commission) wasn’t forwarding enough applicants for his consideration, Romney said he wanted the JNC to focus solely on applicants’ educational and professional experience. ‘I reserve to myself the responsibility to evaluate judicial temperament and philosophy,’ Romney wrote.”
Apparently, in this nightmarish, tragic case, then-Governor Romney evaluated judicial temperament and philosophy … ineffectively.
If Mitt Romney wants to have another “go” at getting elected to the presidency of the greatest country in the history of the world the horrific case of Tavares and the brutal crime against the Mauks of Oregon must be explained once again.
The rule of law is the foundation of any society of value and justice. A crisis in the judiciary in any state (especially in the home state of a former governor running for president) is a crisis for all Americans. The Tavares case is indicative of a crisis in both the political and judicial cultures of Massachusetts during Mitt Romney’s tenure as Governor.
The vicious murders of Mr. and Mrs. Mauk in Oregon were not inevitable.The Tavares case was clearly mishandled despite the terse defense of the judge in the case by the Massachusetts Chief Justice of the Superior Court.
Somebody has to take responsibility for the release back into society of someone so violent and savage as Daniel Tavares. Governor Romney appointed the judge in the case. Is he responsible in some way? Such a decision may soon reside with the voters.
During the 1988 campaign Mr. Dukakis said,
I am a very strong Democrat, a liberal Democrat, a progressive Democrat.
Mitt Romney must now show the country how he differs from former Governor Dukakis of 1988 and how his past decisions can be made palatable to a conservative electorate.







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Why is Romney the RINO running again? Didn't he get the message last time?
His opponents need to bring all of this up during the primaries. Do that and no Conservative will vote for the guy.
The GOP had best steer RIGHT …and I mean HARD RIGHT.
We are nominating a Conservative! There is No such thing in Massachusettes! Any questions?
I was somewhat surprised at how bad he was in the last primary debates. I remember turning to my husband and saying that he was like a liberal finding himself on stage with a bunch of conservatives and he didn't know what to say. It was as if he was surprised by what they were saying.
Yeah, if you want proof, look at that Brown schit stain….
No more squishy Republican rinos.
The time has come for a strong conservative candidate with a track record of standing for conservative ideals.
American Idol may be fine for awarding a recording contract, but it is no way to elect a President.
while the tavares fiasco is a problem, i think romneycare is a bigger problem for him.
I want one name in the hat: Lt. Col. Allen West. All of the other "exploratory committees" going on are either unelectable or Putzwads. And West would not even NEED an exploratory committee.
As if RomneyCare isn't enough of a reason to steer clear of this guy…
HaHaHa! Big Admin didn't like my first reply. I was merely comparing the color of excrement and the color of certain apparel made famous by the Nazis. Sheeeeeesh! Must be a Romney fan.
No, no Romney, I do not want Romney! I'd sooner vote for my dog than him! And my dog eats her own poop!
Looks like Mitt just showed up on this thread and he's thumbing everybody down.
Run Romney as the Republican candidate and Obama gets a second term. I won't vote for any RINO. Give me a true conservative or I won't vote. And, no, Romney isn't better than Obama – they're both liberals.
Just look at what happened with Scott Brown once he got elected to the senate.
Then consider how Romney may turn once he's elected………
The modern day conservative politician couldn’t get his big toe into Ronald Regan’s boots.
Unless we find someone to put on our platform that doesn’t give a rat’s behind what the left think and will fight for our country to remain as it has always been; the greatest and freest country with the best, brightest and most generous citizenry in the world…..then we will lose…again.
Mitt already ran and lost. We need to stop backing losers and insist that they help fund better candidates instead.
The first one who responds (in a debate with a liberal, in which the Liberal screeds about the Conservative wanting to kill old people, let children starve or, cause women to die) responds "You know where I'm from there are three kinds of lies, lies, damnable lies, and M***** F******* Lies, Sir/Maam, your last statement was a M****** F******* Lie"
That's the one I'll vote for.
Echo this.
Every single politician connected with any kind of municipal debt over the last several years is in bed with Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. Bought and paid for by Squidly & the NY Fed.
The burden to prove otherwise is a burden THEY carry. Sorry. Guilt by association in this case is not only FAIR it goes to the core of everything wrong in this country.
To stop the Banksters we must eliminate the RINOs.
The last time he ran, it wasn't his turn, it was McCains turn, now it's his turn unless the Tea Party can change the old GOP.
If only we were living in the innocent days of Willie Horton. Now the country is over-run by Mexican and other foreign criminals that are so common they are not even worth counting by the media. Who is the blame for that? The ruling class – whether they were chosen at random to wear and "R" or a "D" – IT DOESN'T MATTER! Don't you people get it?
Watch this video – it explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpFm7zAK90
@Whats_Up
We can only dream.
Time will tell. The O'Phuckwad waited until the last minute. Would serve us peeps well if Mr. West did the same, actually. Catching the GOP off guard …and the lovely MSM. Yep, I like the idea.
He lost to McCain, that should have told him something.
You're so correct. The GOP leadership is in total denial. They have the next president sitting in Congress (Allen West) and they want to fiddle while the country disintigrates.
Add this to the list.
The Mormon church just announced that it is pro-amnesty.
Now what, Mitt? Distance yourself from the Church or climb on the wagon with them?
Given the flip-flopper, it's an even bet.
Last time the conservative vote was split between Romney and Huckabee. And the most moderate vote went to McCain. That is what logically happened last time.
The church is not "pro-amnesty". The LDS church is pro a balanced approach to a difficult issue that has not been solved by any political party to date. The LDS church states clearly that federal law should be upheld in the case of immigration. It simply states that we should continue to treat all people from all nations with respect.
"As a worldwide church dealing with many complex issues across the globe, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints promotes broad, foundational principles that have worldwide application. The Church regards the declaration of the Utah Compact as a responsible approach to the urgent challenge of immigration reform. It is consistent with important principles for which we stand:
We follow Jesus Christ by loving our neighbors. The Savior taught that the meaning of “neighbor” includes all of God’s children, in all places, at all times.
We recognize an ever-present need to strengthen families. Families are meant to be together. Forced separation of working parents from their children weakens families and damages society.
We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nation’s laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them.
Public officials should create and administer laws that reflect the best of our aspirations as a just and caring society. Such laws will properly balance love for neighbors, family cohesion, and the observance of just and enforceable laws."
In short, the LDS church supports the idea that the federal government, not local state governments, should take the bulk of necessary steps to fix our national immigration problem. The church sustains the laws of the land, both state laws and federal laws.
The Utah compact, which is what the LDS church currently agrees with, is not pro-amnesty. It is pro a federal approach to fixing the immigration problem. The Utah compact has been approved of by most religions in the state of Utah, including LDS, Catholic, etc. It is also approved of by various chambers of commerce and other conservative groups in Utah.
I have to say that if you did not vote for whoever the Republican candidate is you are essentially voting for Obama. Which is rather stupid.
Thanks for providing balance to the xenophobic fear mongering.
You are very welcome.
I find myself in the strange, uncomfortable position of feeling bad for Mitt Romney – the man who did everything in his power to despoil my state as governor and now uses us as a punchline to curry favor from the ignorant sheep in his party's cartoonishly dull-witted base.
I'd NEVER vote for the guy, strictly on the grounds that I won't vote for ANY "traditional values" zealot (even an opportunistic make-believe one) while nominating federal judgships remains a presidential power. But ye gods, the man is FAR and away the best shot the GOP has until 2016 – a businessman with a crazy-powerful war chest and the enthusiastic support of the business and "smart right" community, can actually handle himself on a public stage, has never made a braying jackass of himself on a reality series and can brush off every questionable policy move with an untrue-yet-plausible-to-GOP-base handwave of "It was Massachusetts, they FORCED me?" And he's not already the frontrunner because… why, again?
It's enough to make me feel downright sorry for the smug, terminally smarmy-looking Alpha-douche…
I was too young for the Dukaki/Bush race but the question asked by Shaw I find interesting. Not for the total lack of humanity of Dukakis' answer but the fact that Shaw asked it in the first place. We're so politically correct these days, the only tough questions we get out of our candidates is about on par with "What is your favorite color?"
As for Romney, NO!
A Palin / Bachmann ticket would suit me just fine. This country is waaaay farther Left than most people could seem to understand,but are now very aware of. Need a HARD Starboard turn, culturally and fiscally?
Palin / Bachmann.
Palin's voice even sounds like that "Alarm bell in the night" that Tom Paine or some wise soul wrote about back before the First American Revolution, when the alarm was sounded for America to wake up to the tyrannies of 'ol King George.
It's time for a Third American Revolution. THIRD?…yes..THIRD…we've been subjected to the Second American Revolution for about fifty years now… RiiiIIIINGGGGGG !!!!!!…… WAKE UP !!!!!……HARD a"STARBOARD !!!
( Crew pitches drunken cap'n over the side.CAPTAIN's ON THE BRIDGE !! " I HAVE the HELM " Aye Aye…. Cap'n MA'M ! )
"Mitt Romney must now show the country how he differs from former Governor Dukakis of 1988 and how his past decisions can be made palatable to a conservative electorate."
In a pre-TEA Party era…. maybe he could be elected. Not now. Now here. He signed into law a very similar health care debacle. Anyone who would do that is NOT a conservative. He does not get my vote.
I'm still waiting for viability and electability from a candidate.
Another Romney article?
It's not religion.
It's NOT even the Romneycare fail.
It's the plastic politician thing. No thanks.
GOP establishment will try to foist Romney on us. Liberals and MSM will assure us Romney is the smart bet.
Our nation is at a hyper-critical moment. Progessive-lite does not cut it any more.
RINO B GONE
Message to GOP leadership: Please don't make me have to choose between voting for this guy and a more conservative candidate who is a non-GOP.
As governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee allowed early release of a very dangerous prisoner. The convicted felon came to Tacoma, Washington and gunned down four police officers who were sitting together in a coffee shop in Lakewood, WA. On that score, neither Huckabee nor Romney are welcome in Washington State, as far as I'm concerned.
I didn't know that. But that makes me wonder why he dropped out.
Oh, I didn't see this before, now you've answered my question.
Normaly I would agree whole heartedly BUT these are dangerous times. Consider 4 years of RINO failures to bring back the another progressive democrat term. We must protect the brand of the republican party. we currently have a RINO speaker who cannot find his balls with a microscope. He is being walked on and subsequently will be blamed for all of our economic problems. Put a POS Rino up there and I will not vote either. Better the devil I know Four more years from then IF we are still here we will have no resistence to real change. If we are not here No get along RINO hoard would stop it.
No Romney, no RINOs, no way
hear that GOP? I will vote third party or stay home. This election is too important. The time for half measures or status quo is over.
Because in the eyes of all the GOP elitists, "It's his turn."
On an unrelated story, the GOP has it's first declared candidate, former governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson. Someone worth considering for the top post in the country.
Gasp, he is for legalizing marijuana, and against the occupation of Iraq and Afghanastan.
And there is anything wrong with those positions?
Personally, I've never touched marijuana (or any other illicit drug) but as a freedom-loving American, I don't think the U.S. Constitution prohibits their use.
I suspect that he will be against occupying Libya too but the Obamunist will get us involved there with ground troops. I would agree with him on that, if his position would be as I suspect it would be.
As for Iraq & Afghanistan, you wouldn't want to hear what I would do.
Maybe not, but I think I can guess
BS! Read carefully:
"Immigration Response
From the LDS Church website http://newsroom.lds.org/article/immigration-respo...
April 20, 2011
Salt Lake City
Members of the public who contact the Church Public Affairs Department asking for the Church’s position on immigration have been given the following response:
The Church has spoken a number of times about the issue of immigration. Specifically, it has spoken in support of the Utah Compact and has described the package of bills passed by the Utah Legislature, taken together, as “a responsible approach” to the difficult question of immigration reform.
The Church’s position is based on three basic principles:
1. The commandment to “love thy neighbor.”
2. The importance of keeping families intact.
3. The federal government’s obligation to secure its borders.
The Church appreciates the package of bills that the legislature had passed, including House Bill 116. The Church feels that this package was a responsible attempt to address the principles outlined above.
The February 28 Deseret News editorial, "A Model For The Nation" also accurately reflects the position of the Church regarding immigration reform, including measures that will allow those who are now here illegally to work legally, provide for their families and become better contributing members of our community—but without establishing a path to citizenship or granting amnesty."
How is it that giving work permits to people here illegally is not considered amnesty? Did GWB write it for them?
No Romney, absolutely not! Just like I couldn't stomach McCain, I will not support Romney either. And Huckabee has the same problem of releasing a prisoner who went on to kill again. That needs to be brought up as well if he runs.
We need Herman Cain!!!
True, the ruling class wears shirts from both teams. I am afraid that we will be selecting the lesser of evils yet again. This is always a fine line and can go either way.
Mitt is just like a leftist. Say anything stand for nothing.
Flipflopflipfop
Let's just say that it could involve copious amounts of gamma radiation.
okay chilren…lissen up…
POLITICIANS ARE SCUM…all of them…that's why they are called politicians…
let me suggest you look deep into Hermans back ground before you cast your ballot…I'm not sayin' he's a bad choice but…………
The point of this is, I LOATHE hypocrisy.
You can't beat up on Michael Dukakis for this and then give Mitt Romney a free pass. (and as an asside, I always thought it was completely right to beat up on Michael Dukakis for this. There was nothing racist about the Willie Horton ads. That was just the liberal's way to bleat it was "unfair" of Republicans to expose the truth about Dukakis)
Well, here's the truth about Romney. He's just as bad.
And we are supposed to drink this kool-aid that he's conservative? McCain is more conservative than Romney!
This is NOT a guy we want becoming president and nominating people for the USSC.
I said Romney was a faux conservative in 2008. I find now, it's even worse than that.
We do NOT need this guy running against Obummer. No way!
MiPain below states the case well. It's decision time: Do you vote for the RINO who will take you precisely where the likes of Obama will take you, just at a slower pace?
"Why is Romney the RINO running again? Didn't he get the message last time?"
Easy. Megalomania knows no bounds, especially when exhibited by someone who knows better than you do how to run your life.
The smart thing to do is to get involved in the primary process pushing the most conservative candidate. Then, whatever Republican candidate wins, vote for that person. That is the smart thing to do.
So your logic, these are dangerous times, somehow tells you to give up the fight and let Obama win, rather than a rino? Like I said, what stupid logic.
So, your logic says that we should let Obama win, who will take us towards socialism at a faster pace? Like I said, stupid stupid stupid.
Your own post said it, bozo. Without a path to establishing citizenship or granting amnesty. Learn to read and quit being so damned extreme.
That's double-speak, just like GWB was using.
If they are allowed to stay and work, are they not in fact being given amnesty from prosecution? If you do not pursue their fraudulent lives and crimes, are you not granting them amnesty?
Get a clue about the Utah Compact and HB116, two items endorsed by the Church, before you spout off.
Of course Romney is a loser, gojira7. .. that was the point of the article. The author isn't stating otherwise. He doesn't support Romney .. he's likening him to Dukakis for good reason.
I see from your other posts that you enjoy calling people stupid, ass and full of sh** when they disagree with you. I am pleased to be in the "bozo" class. It's a tad less vulgar. Keep it classy, kmichaels.
Yes this does make it hard to support the Mittster. A three legged dog would be better than Obama, but that doesn't mean I have to love him.
I lived about 20 minutes from Graham at the time of the murders. My manager met with Mrs. Mauck a few weeks before she was murdered and guess what, I was asked to follow up with her. The call to her workplace was unfortunately one of the most sad and memorable I've ever had. The world is smaller than you think.
Accountability MUST match responsibility — too much A vs. too little R leads to inaction and too little A vs. too much R leads to rash decisions and misuse of power.
The most troubling thing for me about Herman Cain is his association with the Federal Reserve. It's a huge issue for me and could be a deal breaker.
I have voted straight Republican in every election since Jimmy Carter.
If this creature runs against Obama, I shall vote for Obama.
If this nation is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed by a democrat.
I am a lifelong Republican.
I will not vote for Palin.
Check the history of the Mormon church.
It is entirely freemasonic.
The LDS is a bunch of clowns that think Joseph Smith had a holy book of golden plates dumped on him that became the Book of Mormon.
Whatever became of those golden plates?
The "angel" Moroni says it all: moron-i
Did you ever try to move a rino? You push and push, and the harder you push the more he resist. He ain't gonna move if he don't wanna.
Get a sugar cube, and he'll follow you off into the night.
Um, I don't know if that means anything, but it sounded philosophical.
Republicans are going in the way of the Whig party. The only reason to vote for them anymore is that they're as close to conservative as we've had available. But since 1992, I've had to hold my nose and vote anything that WASN'T democrat. One year I decided to show my disgust at the republican party and register as an independant. Than I found out that I didn't have any candidate choice in the state's primary which is probably why the Govenator got to be govenor of California.
If Republicans don't do something about their elitist big government attitudes, I can see the Tea Party taking over and eventually leaving the Republican brand behind.
It seemed to be awfully convenient. The way Huckabee was a spoiler that sucked off enough votes for McCain to get the nomination.
And the koran was written by a stoner in a cave and thought god wanted him to marry and force himself on 6 year old girls.
The koran says is all.
Can't you go off and 'celebrate' the captivity of Shalitt, or even wish a civil war on France or something? Why do you come here and spew your hatred and bigotry and pretend that's sanity?
Check the history of islam, it's all pedophiles and rapists.
Oh, you 'celebrate' that kind of thing? What do you really think?
""Insanity is culturally defined.
From your past posts, you are either jewish, or come from a culture that is entirely passive and supine to anything the jew cares to do with you, the depredations and loss to your culture notwithstanding.
Like the Helots of Sparta, you exist to serve.
Many other cultures are not so passive.
They will resist.
Islam is one.
Islam will not tolerate passively the invasions, thefts, lies, murders and other horrors that world jewry, via israel, have inflicted on them.
the one weapon they have developed so far that the jews truly fear is the suicide belt.
They fear it because of it's unpredictability and it's randomness.
They resist.
You do not.
Let God decide who is sane."
You are a hate filled bigot.
You are a life long liar.
You said this!
"Insanity is culturally defined.
From your past posts, you are either jewish, or come from a culture that is entirely passive and supine to anything the jew cares to do with you, the depredations and loss to your culture notwithstanding.
Like the Helots of Sparta, you exist to serve.
Many other cultures are not so passive.
They will resist.
Islam is one.
Islam will not tolerate passively the invasions, thefts, lies, murders and other horrors that world jewry, via israel, have inflicted on them.
the one weapon they have developed so far that the jews truly fear is the suicide belt.
They fear it because of it's unpredictability and it's randomness.
They resist.
You do not.
Let God decide who is sane."
You also said that the suicide bomber was the international standard for warfare.
You also said you wished 'civil war' in France.
You are a hate blinded bigot who celebrates violence agains Jews.
Don't even pretend you belong in the same party I do.
And deserve that fate too!
You are a liar, and frankly can't be believed.
How is that 'suicide bombers are the international standard for warfare' thing going for you?
Did you find a vest that won't clash with your accessories?
Nope I disagree we have to put the fear of God into the rino hoard. I am into the long game there is no point in winning the battle and losing the war. ONE MORE RINO and the republican brand is history. That means a new day and a new party, not my first choice but I would prefer having a choice other then Obama or Obama light. I believe the union will survive either way, but we will not move forward until the progressives are history. we cna nolonger stand in line with our mouths open checking off the R those days are over.
Like I said short sighted
Fear of God aside, letting Obama win under any circumstance is retarded.
Yes, you would be stupid AND shortsighted to let Obama win.
Only if they act stupid and or seem to be full of shiit.
In your case, I pointed out aptly that you are being extreme.
What became of all of the old and new testament artifacts?
Ten commandment stones?
Urim and Thummin?
Arc of the covenant?
Jesus's cross?
Who knows. But surely if God is of the mindset not to provide physical proof, since it would be counterproductive, then why would he leave physical proof of any of his dealing with any prophet?
I understand it substantially better than you do, dimwit.
There has been freemason involvement in many great American lives. Why does that bother you so much Crusis3, other than the fact that you are an ass and a general bigot?
I see you're still the everlasting ass that you have always been, bob.
Here are a few more famous American freemasons for bigot crucis3 to hate for no reason …
Key, Francis Scott – Wrote U.S. National Anthem
Kemp, Jack – Quarterback Buffalo Bills, Congressman
King, Rufus – Signer of Declaration of Independence
Lake, Simon – Built first submarine successful in open sea
Lamar, Joseph E. – Supreme Court Justice
Lamar, Mirabeau B. – 3rd President of the Republic of Texas
Land, Frank S. – Founder Order of DeMolay
Lewis, Meriwether – Explorer
Lincoln, Elmo – First actor to play Tarzan of the Apes (1918)
Lindbergh, Charles – Aviator
Livingston, Robert – Co-negotiator for Louisiana Territory
Lloyd, Harold C. – Entertainer
MacArthur, General Douglas – Commander of Armed Forces
Marshall, James W. – Discovered Gold at Sutter's Mill California 1848
Marshall, John – Chief Justice U.S. Supreme Court 1801 – 1835
Marshall, Thurgood – Supreme Court Justice
Mathews, Stanley – Supreme Court Justice
Mayer, Louis B. – Film producer -Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM)
Mayo, Dr. William and Charles – Founded Mayo Clinic
Maytag, Fredrick – Maytag
McGovern, George – Senator
McKinley, William – President of the U.S.
Minton, Sherman – Supreme Court Justice
Mix, Tom – U.S. Marshal turned actor. Stared in over 400 western films
Monroe, James – President of the U.S.
Moody, William H. – Supreme Court Justice
Murphy, Audie – Most decorated American Soldier of WWII
Naismith, James – Inventor of Basketball
Nelson, Samuel – Supreme Court Justice
New, Harry S. – Postmaster General who established Airmail
Newton, Joseph Fort – Christian Minister
Nunn, Sam – U.S. Senator
O'Connor, Carroll – Actor – Archie Bunker – All in the Family
Olds, Ransom E. – American automobile pioneer
Otis, James – "Taxations without Representation is Tyranny"
Palmer, Arnold – Golf Pro
Papst, Charles F. – Coined the term "Athletes Foot"
Paterson, William – Supreme Court Justice
Peale, Norman Vincent – Founder of "Guidepost"
Peary, Robert E. – First man to reach the North Pole (1909)
Penny, James C. – Retailer
Pershing, John Joseph – Decorated American Soldier
Pitney, Mahlon – Supreme Court Justice
Poinsett, Joel R. – Minister to Mexico who developed the Poinsettia
Polk, James Knox – President of the U.S.
Pullman, George – Built first sleeping car on train
Reed, Stanley F. – Supreme Court Justice
Revere, Paul – Famous American – Silversmith
Richardson, Elliot – Attorney General
Rickenbacker, Eddie – Great American Air Force Ace
Ringling Brothers – All 7 brothers and father were Masons
Robinson, Sugar Ray – American Boxer
Rogers, Roy – American cowboy and screen star
Rogers, Will – Actor
Roosevelt, Franklin D. – President of the U.S.
Roosevelt, Theodore – President of the U.S.
Rutledge, Wiley B. – Supreme Court Justice
Salten, Felix – Creator of Bambi
Sarnoff, David – Father of T.V.
Sax, Antoine Joseph – Invented the Saxophone (1846)
Schoonover, George – Founder of "The Builder"
Skelton, Red – Entertainer
Smith, John Stafford – Wrote the music US National Anthem
Sousa, John Philip – Led the U.S. Marine Band from 1880 – 1892 and wrote "Stars and Stripes Forever"
Stewart, Potter – Supreme Court Justice
Still, Andrew T. – American Physician who devised Osteopathy
Stratton, Charles "Tom Thumb" – Entertainer
Swayne, Noah H. – Supreme Court Justice
Taft, William Howard – President of the U.S.
Teets, John W. – Chairman and President of Dial Corporation
Thomas, Danny – Entertainer -Founder of St. Jude's Hospital
Thomas, Dave – Founder of Wendy's Restaurant
Thomas, Lowell – Brought Lawrence of Arabia to public notice
Todd, Thomas – Supreme Court Justice
Travis, Colonel William B. – Alamo Hero
Trimble, Robert – Supreme Court Justice
Truman, Harry S. – President of the U.S. & Grand Master
Vinson, Frederick M. – Supreme Court Justice
Wadlow, Robert Pershing – Tallest human on record being 9 feet tall
Wallace, Governor George C. – Presidential Candidate
Wallace, Lewis – Wrote "Ben Hur"
Warner, Jack – Warner Brothers Fame
Warren, Earl – Supreme Court Justice
Warren, Joseph, – Signer of Declaration of Independence
Washington, Booker T. – Educator and author
Washington, George – President of US, 1st
Watson, Thomas – Founder of IBM
Wayne, John "The Duke" – Actor
Whiteman, Paul – "King of Jazz"
Woodbury, Levi – Supreme Court Justice
Woods, William B. – Supreme Court Justice
Wyler, William – Director of "Ben Hur"
Zanuck, Darryl F. – Co-founder 20th Century Productions
Ziegfeld, Florenz – Ziegfeld's Follies (1907)
Since you are a bigoted ass hole, I hope you do vote for Obama.
You ass holes need to stick together.
Why don't you ask the “worshipful master” at your masonic lodge. Certainly, he has an answer for you……………… Mormonism?? Humbug.
It all depends on how you define “great”. Captain Morgan didn't think they were so “great”. So the freemasons murdered him. The murderers were caught. And corrupt freemasons [but I repeat myself] in the courts colluded to free the killers. Thus was born the “Anti-masonic party”. Would that it had lasted longer. Freemasonry is a criminal cartel.
Sorry to disappoint, but I am not impressed. I have studied American history for decades, and am very familiar with all the names on your list. Every one of your heroes has feet of clay, and some are outright criminals. It is indeed a criminal cartel at best and at worse a satanic/luciferic church [Albert Pike: "Morals and Dogma"]. You left such notable masons as Aleister Crowley, Joseph Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Karl Marx, Garibaldi, Robespierre,and Leon Trotsky off your list.
And are you busy 'celebrating' the captivity of Schalit still? Or just ranting about insanity?
"Insanity is culturally defined.
From your past posts, you are either jewish, or come from a culture that is entirely passive and supine to anything the jew cares to do with you, the depredations and loss to your culture notwithstanding.
Like the Helots of Sparta, you exist to serve.
Many other cultures are not so passive.
They will resist.
Islam is one.
Islam will not tolerate passively the invasions, thefts, lies, murders and other horrors that world jewry, via israel, have inflicted on them.
the one weapon they have developed so far that the jews truly fear is the suicide belt.
They fear it because of it's unpredictability and it's randomness.
They resist.
You do not.
Let God decide who is sane."
Obama brown?
Which is why primaries need to be fought to win this time around.
We don't want open primaries for democrats to decide our nominees either.
And you define the suicide bomber as the international standard for warfare.
So, frankly your definitions don't hold water.
And you wish for civil war in France. So, I'm glad you're a nobody trolling here trying to hide your real beliefs.
I didn't see any insults towards Jews, are you slipping? What a moron.
I did not expect a dumb ass bigot like you to be impressed. I was posting the list so that actual Americans could see what great American people have been masons. I do not wish to impress you other than to wish that somebody would impress your idiot skull into the nearest masonry. You're an idiot, a troll and a general moron.
Oh good grief. Captain Morgan? Seriously. He was not even in the military. He called himself captain because he was an egotistical blowhard. He wanted to be a mason but nobody liked the ass, most likely because he was much like you, a dimwitted ass hole with no brains and nothing but ego. There was zero evidence that he was even murdered. Some say it was a publicity stunt by his idiot book publisher. In ether case he was known as a drunk and a worthless gambler that had trouble in any venture he ever pursued. This is your idea of one of the good guys? An idiot drunkard that faked being in the military? Seriously, you can do better than that bullshiit.
Funny, but your profile states that you are anti-Republican. Perhaps you are such a stupid liar that you forget which lie you told last. In any case, you can go away since you are pretty much known as a worthless lying troll and perpetual bigot.
YES! Obama Brown! It's a new shade on the progressive color chart. Controlling the climate of the entire planet has worked out so well they are now manipulating the wavelengths of light.
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