ObamaCare Vs. The Hippocratic Oath
by Dr. David JandaTwenty-nine years ago I stood with my 150 classmates in Thorn Hall, at Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago, as Dean James Eckenhoff asked us to raise our right hands and repeat after him:
I will apply measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.
I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.
Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice.
Those words, from The Hippocratic Oath written in 400 B.C., changed my life and the lives of the thousands of patients my classmates and I have touched over the past twenty-nine years.
Through my career, I have tried to add to that Oath my obligation “To PREVENT Harm”, through my work in Prevention and at The Institute For Preventative Sports Medicine. I keep this Oath as my foundation as I review the current proposals for Health Care Reform. Take all of the politics out of the latest versions authored by The Obama-Pelosi-Reid Administration, and it comes down to The Oath.
The sad fact is that the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Administration’s 1990 page health care reform bill (HR3962) and supplement(HR3961) violate The Oath by stripping freedom from every person, family and business in Our country . This 19 ½ pound pair of documents, entitled ”Affordable Health Care For Americans Act,” will cost taxpayers over $1.2 Trillion, will institute 13 tax increases totaling $740 Billion, will increase Medicare Premiums to Seniors by $70 Billion, will cost shift $34 Billion to State budgets, and will cut Medicare benefits to Seniors by $426 Billion over ten years.
This current version of a Federal Government takeover of the health care delivery system is a carbon copy of what Obama, Pelosi and Reid tried to “jam” through Congress in July, with a couple of “new” additions to strip every American of even more Freedoms. As Yogi Berra once said, “It’s deja vu all over again.”
This version gives the rationing board, already established through The Stimulus Bill (The Federal Coordinating Council For Comparative Effectiveness Research), additional funding to establish a “Center” to institute the rationing of care. Rationing is the heart and soul of this legislation. Rationing, as a method of “cost cutting,” is the most inhumane and unethical means of health care cost containment. By definition, these bureaucrats will overrule licensed doctors, and preside over the denial of health care.
This Bill also creates a government regulated insurance “Exchange,” which will include a government subsidized and run insurance company, funded by The Treasury Department for start up costs of $2 Billion of tax payer money. This “Exchange” will be overseen by a Federal bureaucrat given the title: “The Health Choices Commissioner.” The “Commissioner” will establish benefit standards for ALL members of the “Exchange,” not just the government-run company. In other words, this Government CEO-equivalent will set the rules for all private companies who are “in competition” with the Federal Government. How fair is that? Sorry, I should have realized. This is NOT about fair. It is about CONTROL. Too much government control is a recipe for disaster.
The most glaring difference between the Obama-Pelosi-Reid health care bill from July and this “new” version is the elimination of a very important sentence from the previous bill. The July Bill (HR 3200) provided for The Health Benefits Advisory Committee whose role is to make recommendations on minimum benefit standards and cost sharing standards. The July Bill charged this Committee with the mandate to “ensure that essential benefits coverage does NOT lead to rationing of health care.” The current Bill establishes the same Committee but ELIMINATES the prohibition on rationing care.
It is obvious. The “New” Obama-Pelosi-Reid Health Care Bill’s heart and soul is based on (1) rationing and denying care to cut costs, and (2) taxing every American in its path. The end result strips Freedom from every citizen. Then again, what would you expect from a document that uses the words “require” 118 times, “tax” 87 times, and “penalty” 113 times.
The Oath my classmates and I took 29 years ago was based on the premise “Do No Harm.” I cannot condone this legislation, which promises to HARM every person, family and business in our country. We need to reject rationing, and fight the loss of control of our health care lives.
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The last paragraph sums it up. It is about control. Everything in government is about control, under the premise of "we're going to help you poor people". We don't want their help, all WE want is left alone.
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And then square government rationed healthcare with the Constitution … Remember all the stink over Bush spying on library cards, now we are supposed to sit quitely and turn over all our medical records to the federal government … Did the 4th Amendment disappear when I wasn't looking?
Bureaucrats overrule doctors now; the entire argument about control applies to our current system as well. Insurance companies drive profits by denial of claims. The difference with government run insurance is that the bureaucrats will not have seven figure salaries.
I do not have a firm opinion either way, but I do think that the proposed health care system should be compared to how things are now, and not against an ideal standard that does not exist in practice.
Imagine being the doctors and nurses who screwed up the first abortion standing frozen in fear asking what does the government say about saving the life right before them.
I can imagine that the only thing the doctors and nurses could do at such point is to shove the life into a hospital closet hoping the life simply dies on its own.
When Feminists created this fallacy called 'right to abort' did they ever consider the horror they forced upon everyone else?
When your Doctor or health insurance provider says "No" you still have the option to look elsewhere for help. When the Government says "No" you will have no other options.
People without the dignity of making their own way in life are not automatically entitled to the fruits of the labor of those who do. All incentive toward excellence will soon be removed from our society.
This is about REPARATIONS. Mr. Obama is reparations personified.
"Insurance companies drive profits by denial of claims."
Interesting premise; with only 2.2% profit one who think the insurance companies would deny more claims than what Ivy-league eggheads claim insurance companies deny.
How about ridding the insurance companies of intrusive government laws which deny insurance companies the opportunity to compete for our dollars instead of government enforcing laws which force us to complete for the one or two insurance companies each state allows.
I would like to see the insurance companies competing for our dollars instead of each one of us competing against one another for a few measly moments of medical care.
Why is there an AIDS Czar?
Special rights for special people, or what?
An out of touch government.
EVERYBODY needs to watch this video.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1642...
It appears that the transparent government in Washington, does not want to hear any voice of opposition.
The government is essentially shutting people out of the Capital. Not allowing them to enter in an attempt to stifle them. Consequently, the government can then say "there were no opposing voices.". The government refused access to this group last week, after letting some in to deliver petitions. It is an abomination, and is an insult to our free form of government.
Thank you Dr. Janda. Well reasoned and to the point. A government will always resort to rationing if given that power. The rationed benefits will go to those with the most political pull at the time. I don't envy the dilemma for all medical professionals if this passes, although sadly, some of them will become job-for-life bureaucrats.
It's time for the George Washington Tyrant Removal method. Sadly, it will come to this because there are tens of millions of Americans who will NOT live enslaved regardless of propaganda and the weasels in government. Tyrants live, nay lust, for power. Sic
Semper Tyrannis.
The hippocratic oath is a living and breathing oath. It has evolved for our time and will work perfectly with the new legislation before congress.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
~ Thomas Jefferson ~
The ORIGINAL Hippocratic oath has been "adjusted" to:
"I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion."
50 million+ abortions since Roe v. Wade and counting……more Black babies aborted in 2008 than were BORN. (Read that again).
As a newly-saved Christian who was formerly "pro-choice" (I was deceived and a fool; it's all a eugenics scam), if there's one thing I've learned it's that God will hold those responsible to account. If this is you, repent and come to Jesus Christ.
Hey Cowboy .. what video on this webpage ? Link went to photo gallery … cga
If the health reform monster passes, and doctors decide to leave the profession (as many of them have said they will do), creating a critical void in medical care, I can't help but wondering if this administration would forbid doctors to follow their consciences and leave the medical profession. Would doctors be punished for leaving? Or would they be mandated by the government to continue practicing and forced to follow the rules? Just a thought.
Sorry. Sometimes those links don't work.
Try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPXTZ0ZVNUE&fe...
I, too, am one who supported abortion without conscience then when I learned in 2003 at the age of 42 that our culture was forcing doctors to suck out a baby's brain as its body dangles for life outside the womb I began to question the Establishment.
She gets the right to choose what is life while forcing doctors to break their Hippocratic Oath?
She gets to hire a hit-man boyfriend paying him $150 to hit her womb and he is in prison for attempted murder while She is free to choose?
What angers me most; my culture insists that I know everything about sex yet NEVER discloses the details of Abortionism.
This is what happens when Feminists drill Medea's barbarism into the female psyche; She believes She is justified when committing crimes above the law.
Another case of Special Rights for Special People.
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How about emenations from penumbras (Roe v Wade) against the Oath of Office and the constitution? How silly of the left to invent a right to privacy with your doctor and then force bureaucratcare upon us. Only the most ignorant or the most Marxist could not see the contradiction.
Sure glad I asked .. I will be sure to send this to my email list. Disgraceful is all I can say and alarming. cgal
What makes you think they won't have large salaries and bonuses considering what those in charge of Fannie and Freddie made?
I wouldn't at all be surprised if they mandated certain professionals had to remain in their professions until they dropped in their boots.
$8 billion/year in insurance company profits, $60 billion/year in Medicare fraud. It's the government that has fallen down on the job, AGAIN, and we're supposed to give them more control over our lives????
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/...
Thank you for recognizing the truth about abortion. To me it's a simple case of unthinkable murder by the one person nature designed to be the greatest protector of the baby. Choice???? There are two lives involved and only one has a choice.
What if you dont want health insurance at all, what if you think its impossible to take risk out of life. The govt. wont let you go without health insurance, they will FORCE you to. Socialism is force, Capitalism is free choice, and the good liberals are all about choice, especially an unborn babies choice to live, screw the lib morons!
Really? If one looks at the history of "health care overhaul", it is clear that whatever is done, it will take a long time to effect changes again. Should we not then attempt to construct the best system possible? Any alternative would not now "exist in practice." Why then look for a bad system instead of an ideal?
Well. Dr. Janda. You could just retire. No one is making you work as a doctor. In fact why don't all doctors who oppose ObamaCare just quit? Retire.
If Pelosi can just fabricate 1000's of health care bureaucrats overnight surely they can announce a new Doc Czar. Perhaps Van Jones can funnel inmates into "Cell to Surgery" programs instead of funneling them into "green jobs."
As you seem to be newly arrived to planet earth, please hold all further comments.
If we don't address this issue we shall have to rewrite part of the Hippocratic Oath, to read.:-
"I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being,( except those on Medicare,) whose illness may effect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick." (my change)
I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.
Well, there is the escape clause right there! The liberals have decided they will assume the position of "such men" so doctors are off the hook!
That explains all those in Barry's administration that so revere Mao. Now there was an expert in "cost containment" they can really admire!
Hit the nail on the head! this bill is NOT about healthcare, it's about CONTROL of our lives (if we're allowed to be born), to our deaths (and They will decide when we die). How's that hopey-changey thing working for you, now?
As a federal employee who is soon to be an ex-federal employee, let me tell you about control. I work for an agency that has gotten quite a bit of bad press in the past few years, that has resulted in micromanagement to the extreme from the central office in D.C.
In order to prevent potential mistakes that may result in either the inadvertent or intentional destruction of potentially important documents, or the disclosure of personally identifiable information, since fall 2008, this agency has placed a moratorium on shredding.
It is now agency policy, implemented by a political appointee and cabinet secretary of the U.S. government, that all documents, or for that matter, any paper, including sticky notes, phone messages, and yes, even napkins & fast food wrappers, "as long as they have no mustard or ketchup on them (the actual words used by management)," that are not retained in the personal file of an individual served by our agency, i.e., documents that would otherwise have been shredded and thrown away formerly, now must be "processed" according to a 3-page, 15-point SOP.
Unbelievably, this paper (which was formerly trash) must be stamped by us GS-12 "professionals" and certified as not containing any information or value, then each piece is signed and turned in to a supervisor, who must likewise certify and sign off of the "trash."
Now, in a "truth is stranger than fiction" scenario, at the end of the week, the "trash," which government bureaucrats in D.C. have determined that GS-12 "professionals" do not have the training or the knowledge to ascertain the difference between trash and non-trash, and which is produced by the entire office, is then boxed up and Fed-Exed to the regional office. This happens each week in every state in the nation, including territories, and former colonies like Puerto Rico and the Phillipines.
As you might guess, this is done at the expense of untold thousands of taxpayer dollars on a weekly basis, because this idiocy is carried out nationwide in our agency, as well as overseas. Now stay with me here, because this gets even more difficult to believe for those who have never worked for the federal government – once the trash arrives at the regional office, a "Division Records Management Officer (DRMO)," which is a euphemism, but for still another euphemism ! In other words, the DRMO is, in actuality, a santitation engineer, which is a euphemism for a "garbage man!"
Now, purportedly, this DRMO, who is, believe it or not, as GS-11 who "earns" over 50k per year, looks at each piece of trash individually to ensure there are no uncertified documents, or documentation of any value, in the "records," which is really just trash. He or she then individually shreds each piece in what must be an enormous, industrial sized, high-tech, cross-cutting shredder (this ensures that tiny, individual pieces of trash can then be put together, a la jigsaw puzzle, by an interested identity thief at the recycling facility.
You may now ask, why did I go to great pains to details this mind-numbing bureaucratic exercise in mega-stupidity? Merely because, the bureaucratization of national healthcare will eventually, but most certainly, equate to this same sort of stupidity, only on a massive scale ! The federal government should never be allowed to get between you and your physician ! The federal bureaucracy will unnecessarily complicate, bog down, and delay the business of determining whether you live or die, and it will do so in the most impersonal and frustrating way imaginable !
"Did the 4th Amendment disappear when I wasn't looking"
see: warrantless wiretaps under Bush!
I think that has already been figured in. The shortage of doctors will lead to a "vital and necessary" scheme of giving future health professionals free-ride educations in return for so many years of service as government employees who will be dispatched to fill "critical vacancies." They will of course not have to buy malpractice insurance, and will actually do better financially than ordinary practitioners who have their college loans to pay back, even better when just considering the government-supplied benefits package. Do not forget the union-mandated shorter than normal working hours, at only 40 hours a week on a fixed schedule they will do fine.
Soon those who left will want back in as government employees, which the government shall graciously allow. After all the job market will be tough given the compete collapse of demand for "medical researchers." Then it won't be long after that when no practitioner could conceive of being anything but a government employee…
When fully deployed as planned government run medicine will be like private insurance managed care on steroids. Gigantic cost savings can and will be realized by the simple expedient of limiting choices and restricting services. There won't be any question of "over-ruling" because there will be nothing to overrule. Committees of government experts and federal bureaucrats will write cost-effective regulations and hand them to health care providers to carry out. What remains of the physician-patient relationship will be abolished. Physicians will be answerable to their federal employee bosses, not their patients. All possible choice will be removed from patients and their health care providers and cookbook treatment and management protocols will become mandatory. This will permit control of costs on a scale previously undreamt of. No control by patients and physicians = maximum control by government regulations. Disease A gets Treatment A-1 or, if criteria are met and forms completed and approval granted, in certain cases Treatment A-2. Treatments A-1 and A-2 are laid out in precise detail in the Federal Medical Manual and have the force of law. Everything will be much simpler and also much cheaper. Government experts will insist that their regulations for treatment are the only scientific ones and represent the best available care. No other choices will be available or permitted. Preventive and lifestyle modifications will be mandatory and supervised by government agencies using carrot and stick tools to modify and shape behavior of citizens much like members of a cattle herd are controlled.
From the article – "The ten largest insurance companies had $8 billion a year in profits combined."
A burn, car accident or gunshot victim could incur costs of around $300,000.00. Then there are the heart bypasses around $100,000.00. So, if we took away the profits of these evil insurance companies and made them work for free we could pay for 80,000 people's surgery at $100,000.00 each. Wowee. There are approximtely 500,000 heart bypass surgeries alone performed every year in the US.
Eliminating private insurance is not the answer and corporations are not evil.
Thank you!
What you just detailed and documented is important. People such as yourself are stepping forward, and stepping up; slowly, tentatively, with great trepidadtion at first, but I believe it will soon be a geound swell of opportunity. Slowly, a little trickle will come through the dyke, and eventually the dam will break and there will be a flood of people like you coming forth.
Personally, I want to commend you for what you just wrote he. It is up to you, and people like you to come forward and tell your stories. it is time to quit fearing your government. Granted, alot of what I write here could be deemed "rhetoric"; it can easily be taken out of context or misconstrued. On a personal level I am passionate about this. I want my children and grandchildren to have a better American experience than I have, and at the rate the government is going, they won't. That infuriates me.
I sincerely thank you, for what you wrote here. Everyone ought read it. Whistleblowers such as yourself are to be saluted and honored. You need to tell your story to everyone that will listen. Have you considered going on camera? You know full well what "they" will try to do; they will make your life a nightmare, but "it is time for all good men (and women) to stand up and be counted."
what?
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I just wanted to add my appreciation and second Cowboy Logic's reply. Thank you for detailing this example of government inaction in action and showing a perfect example of what the government health care takeover will be like. I agree that you should tell this story on every board, discussion forum and submit to sites that may potentially highlight it as a guest 'commentary'.
I also agree that we need more like you that will stand up and share these examples – NOW. Time is crucial.
Dear God please watch the short video on this site it will make you cry for the children that have to live like that, all because Valerie Jarrett is a scum-sucking slumlord! Pass it on…
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WoW!
Unbelievable. These are the people who want to manage Health Care? They caint even run a Section 8 Slum in Chee-cago.
But on the other hand, as long as they had direct deposit Section 8 housing checks hit their bank accounts, they would never have to go onto the mean streets to collect their rents, right?
You are correct, Sue. Now those who take part in abortions are desensitized to the horror of watching a baby being pulled apart and extracted. When O. was in the Chicago senate he voted to let die those babies who might survive an abortion. So in regard to your second statement – that's exactly what some legislators vote to do. All we need to do is read the testimony of those who have turned away from participating in abortion to see the remorse and horror they now feel.
The new Hippocratic Oath the Government wants reads more like:
I will apply measures for the benefit of the sick according to the ruling of a bureaucrat of the state. I will trade one life so another more worthy life may live based on the decision of government.
I will give a deadly drug to anybody based on the ruling of the bureaucrat of the state and will not criticize the decision. In honor of the government, I guard their sacred decisions on who is more valuable to live and who should die.
I will not try to keep the old from suffering. I will withdraw treatment thereby eliminating their life. Freeing up resources for a more deserving sole picked by the bureaucrat of the state is my ambition.
Whatever patients I may see, I will come for the benefit of the state, remaining indifferent to their suffering and reporting all to the bureaucrat of the state for their decision if the patient is worthy of treatment.
this bill is not health care reform. this bill is an economy destroyer.
this bill is the initial gaping hole that will lead to the sinking of our country. this hole will not be able to be reparied. once we start down this road of government directed health care, there is *NO* turning back.
people are focused on themselves and how much it costs to have any procedure done. think about how many Dr's will quit, how many hospitals that will be forced out of business and the long lines of people that need health care along with people standing in line for a tylenol for their headache.
ObamaCare? Obama cares not one wit! Health CONTROL is what it’s about.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
-Thomas Jefferson
What "Hippocratic Oath"? It's been the "Hypocritic Oath" since abortion on demand began.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
"I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive."
"If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour?"
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself. "
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
and my personal favorite… "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
-Thomas Jefferson
What would Thomas Jefferson do?
That's how it worked in the Soviet Union.
If you read the bios of those waiting to assume the levers of power over our health care, you'll see they have no problem with this. http://www.nypost.com/seven/…/deadly_doctors_180941.ht... Further, there as many in places of influence that would force life-ending actions upon providers against conscience. It may not be in the bill, but the expression of the bill will be through these vicious Leftists.
[...] ObamaCare Vs. The Hippocratic Oath Twenty-nine years ago I stood with my 150 classmates in Thorn Hall, at Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago, as Dean James Eckenhoff asked us to raise our right hands and repeat after him: (SNIP) The sad fact is that the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Administration’s 1990 page health care reform bill (HR3962) and supplement(HR3961) violate The Oath by stripping freedom from every person, family and business in Our country . This 19 ½ pound pair of documents, entitled ”Affordable Health Care For Americans Act,” will cost taxpayers over $1.2 Trillion, will institute 13 tax increases totaling $740 Billion, will increase Medicare Premiums to Seniors by $70 Billion, will cost shift $34 Billion to State budgets, and will cut Medicare benefits to Seniors by $426 Billion over ten years. [A real live doctor's view of the ObamaPelosiReidCare Charlie Foxtrot...ed] [...]
I wholeheartedly support the government leaving you alone. Absolutely alone. No government services whatsoever. Your house catches fire, you figure it out. Someone steals your car, you figure it out. Someone runs you off the road, you figure it out. You become 65 and you need medical care, you figure it out. You figure it all out.
How about insurance companies? Is it all right for them to get between you and your physician?
Sue, you shouldn't have stayed up so late Halloween night. Something isn't clicking in the thought-processing machine today.
Give Dan a call.
Do you?
Ok smartass, I'll bite.
I live fifty miles from town. About fifteen years ago, my house DID burn down. By the time the local VOLUNTEER fire department got there, all that was left was the foundation. I lost everything. Did the government help me rebuild? No. I never asked, it is beyond my comprehension.
I am fifty, so in a while I will be sixty-five. I have paid my own insurance, all my life, out of my own pocket. I pay my way. I pay my bills. I employ people and pay my taxes. I have supplemental insurance. I have made preparations for my life, my death, and my estate. I have figured it out. I don't need you, or any other sorry sumbitch bureaucrat telling me what I need to do.
I cannot be the only person out of three hundrede million who is independent. The problem is, there are not enough of me, and too many like you, all seeking a handout………
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Maybe I'm missing something, but how is national health care, even if it raises taxes, a violation of the Hippocratic Oath you took? Are doctors in England and Sweden violating the Hippocratic Oath by working for a national program??? I don't see anything in the oath you took about keeping taxes low.
RE: "I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work."
Aren't you a surgeon? You're violating the oath you took every time you make an incision, by "using the knife". This clause is a hangover from the days when surgeons were not doctors–most of them were barbers, who had razors and other sharp instruments.
RE: Rationing. Limiting what the government gives you is NOT rationing. "Rationing" means you're not allowed to buy more of whatever is rationed than the government says you may buy. No one has even SUGGESTED putting such restrictions into USA national health-care. You'll always be free to buy whatever care you wish to buy, with your own money.
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Barrack Hussein Obama: YOU LIE!
Finally, someone other than Congressman Joe Wilson has stood up and told the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yheQEPjxPDo&fe...
could you vote for a healthcare bill that could potentially KILL my 19mo old son due to the rationing of care? You would never know if, but in the last year my baby has had 9 surgeries. The last one we thought would end his problems, but they are coming back. Under this new bill, it is likely that he will not be allowed anymore procedures. could you live with yourself and be happy that you got a flu shot for free, but at the cost of the life of a baby?
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You don't believe there is a constitutional right to privacy?
Screw the right-wing hacks.
I wrote on this very thing months ago for theflipsideofthecoin.wordpress.com and SmartGirlNation.
http://theflipsideofthecoin.wordpress.com/2009/07...
No one is speaking about the deeper issues of this debate as seen through the eyes of the Hippocratic Oath!
It seems to me that oaths, like constitutions, are not made to be malleable or changed at whim. That's why they are constructed carefully, validated and affirmed rigorously, and changed only at great pain and necessity. I'd like to see your house built on a living and breathing foundation. Wouldn't take much of a rain storm to wash you down the road — which is what you're trying to do to our country.
Well, Mr. Rooney, I hope you know a good barber, because that's about all we'll have to take care of our ills when the doctors go. In fact, I know a group of very fine, young doctors who have already signed an oath that they will not practice in a socialized system — so when you add those millions of new patients, I hope you have a well established, experienced group of docs to treat them. I just don't trust barbers any more.
Bingo!
Send the oath to Congress.
reparations has been going on for 60 years,is called equal employment(hire them qualified or not),hud,food stamps,care for illegitimate kids and mothers,the list is forever, to include ACORN…….
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Why would anyone in the medical community support obummer and his policies? Obummer himself has pretty much said that doctor's are lying, cheating, dirtballs that would "remove tonsils" for a sore throat and "amputate" instead of heal. Is anyone in the medical community evenly slightly offended by his STUPID and false claims? Perhaps obummer knows nothing about what it takes to beome a doctor or nurse. Someone in the medical community, PLEASE CALL THIS JOKER OUT for his outlandish remarks. He is trying to make you look like the villains! Obviously he doesn't know what the Hippocratic Oath is! Just like he doesn't know anything about foreign policy, the economy, energy, war, ….. OneBigAssMistakeAmerica!
Cowboy, You remind me of someone who needs to be our President.
Nada, you might want to go live on a Reservation and see how well that works out.
Thank you. I'm flattered (I think), but no, I have no political aspirations whatsoever. I not only don't need public office, I don't want it. I have lived life to the best of my abiliites, and done the best I could, with what I had at any given time. I have made more mistakes than any ten men you'd ever meet, combined. I have no skeletons in the closet though; they are all out in the open. There isn't a closet large enough to hold my skeletons, or mistakes. I've always believed, that no matter how hard a person tries, they'll never rise above human being. Unless they have a messianic complex, of course.
It'd take a far better man than me to hold public office; and a far better man than Barrack Obama to be President………….
They created it in order to abort kids. No sane legal mind can find such a thing in the constitution. My point was the hypocrisy of the Godless left who sees absolute privacy with your personal MD until they want to take over your life through Obamcare and then that right is thrown under the Obamabus with the unborn and the just born, (Obama has now called for a new standard in order to kill kids after they're born -intent!)Your "right" is handed over to bureacrats who will decide your relationship with your doctor and what he can and can't give you, and tell meek little old Grandma''s which pill to take to help the nation.
Ryan….The U.S, Constitution and the Hippocratic Oath are designed to define protections for life. The legislation on health care in CONgress is designed to put the power over your life in the hands of some power mongering elitists who don't give a rip about saving lives.
You need to educate yourself….take off your rosy glow glasses and see the 1990 pages for the desecration they are. Tyranny in a stack of papers with requirements, shalls, force….Doctors will have ZERO autonomy to practice that oath. I'd like to hope you are misguided and not that stupid.
Read:
"we hold these truths to be self-evident…." http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/ind...
"In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."
Not to kill innocent babies -show me where that exists except in the minds of the Godless. If it does exist, however, then Obamacare with it's bureaucrats interfering with the relationship between you and your doctor is unconstitutional. I think it is on other grounds (10th amendment etc. ( the Constution is silent about privacy, it speaks primarily to limits on the government.
Your rhetoric is awe inspiring, guess you don't have any reason, rationality, or commonsense, to bring to a debate, how unusual for a lib terd.
While a perfect system does not exist, there is a big difference between our current system and a government system. If you don't like the way insurance company bureaucrats make their rulings, you currently have some options. You can change insurance companies in the next open enrollment period, try to convince enough other customers to change with you, or convince your employer that the entire company needs to switch. If your greivance is big enough, you may be able to enlist the media and publicly shame the company into changing their rulings. The fact that you and your employer have other choices in insurance companies is a powerful motivator for companies to be accomodating to thier customers. Once you have a single government entity as the only option, what can you do if you think their rulings are unfair?
absolutely.
WRONG! When the government says "no", you can go buy whatever health care you want, with your own money.
[...] To give another perspective on this version of government controlled health care, check out what Dr. David Janda has to say: Obamacare vs. the Hippocratic Oath [...]
While the Hypocratic Oath is being “broke,”-so will the medical profession. Wages for medical professionals will have to be cut/contained. Graduate highschool students won’t be taking on educational costs from college in a healthcare field that they will barely make an exsistance. THAT’S RIGHT-you take the COMPETITION out of healthcare for better paying job you’re going to see a SHORTAGE of healthcare professionals. ALL medical professionals are required YEARLY to maintain licensure(educational costs not covered by the employer), except for nursing asst’s. Nursing Asst’s and Home Healthcare Aides who are the most unappreciated, anddo the hardest job might just as well work in fast food.
Catholic Hospitals will LOCK THEIR DOORS! End result less healthcare access. They are not bound by federal law/state law and are privately owned. I have heard they ake up anywhere’s between 13% and 30% of the total hospitals here in the US. THEY WILL NOT PERFORM ABORTION ON DEMAND. You cannot add -what is it 10-40 million to the healthcare industry without increasing workers. But, this horrible healthcare bill, will do just the OPPOSITE! Tell me why people will go into a profession they are required to work WEEKENDS/HOLIDAYS while the rest of the people find ANYREASON they can to avoid working!
[...] specifics of Obamacare. Here is the audio: Dr. David Janda also had this over at Big Government: ObamaCare Vs. The Hippocratic Oath. The sad fact is that the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Administration’s 1990 page health care reform bill [...]
You are right. When I was a child (1950s) when I was sick my mother took me to our family doctor. When I needed my tonsils out my mother took me to our family doctor and he took my tonsils out. When we needed our teeth looked at my mother took me to our family dentist. I imagine my parents paid these bills when the crops came in and were sold in the fall. I never needed any major medical care until 1977 when I fell down the stairs and fractured my tailbone and ruptured a whole bunch of disks in my back. I lived with that daily pain until 1985 when the pain was so severe I could not live with it any more and required surgery to fuse my back. I don't know how much that cost, but fortunately as retired military we got our care at BAMC right here in San Antonio. Now that's a health care plan we can live with. Unfortunately, by the time Pelosi-Reed-Obama finish messing with health care in this country there's no telling what it will look like even for people like us who already enjoy government& insurance-run health care. I like our current plan and don't want it to change. Like most people today, we just want to be left alone to make our own decisions and not have anything crammed down our throats as they are apparently proposing to do.
want to change Washington DC? Check out GOOOH (Get out of our House movement started by Tim Cox. Want to make a difference today"? Call your congressperson and hold them accountable when they don't do as you wish. A lot of toothpicks make one heck of a club.
true, you wouldn't give anything deadly if asked but what if you are compelled? Choices for doctors, nurses, hospitals and just ordinary people are being choked away.