ObamaCare Debate: Freedom vs. Oppression
by Dr. David JandaOn September 22, 1862, President Abraham Lincoln issued The Emancipation Proclamation:
“That on the 1st day of January, in the year of our Lord 1863, all persons held as slaves within any state or designated part of a state, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom. . . And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God.”
With these words President Lincoln ended slavery – a flagrant violation of the institutions of the United States of America, “a government of, by and for all the people.”

The institution of slavery denied essential freedoms to fellow Americans. Today, in 2009, another freedom is being denied to every man, woman and child — freedom of health care. Some in the HMO industry, many in the insurance industry, and many federal “Big Government” bureaucrats are denying Americans their freedom of health care. The Obama Health Care Plan is the instruction manual and play book for this mandate.
These “Masters” of Health Care are trying to deny individuals the freedom to choose what doctor you can see, what medicine you can take, what hospital you can go to, and how you spend your health care dollars. They even take it a step further in the Obama Health Care Plan, determining – IF – yes, IF you can be treated. These “Masters” of Health Care are driving us to unnecessary pain, suffering, and, in some cases, death.
We can all agree that the US health care system needs drastic reform, but not at the cost of destroying the entire system. We face a defining crossroads, as we as a nation decide the face of this reform. If we really want to improve the system, reform must be based upon the bedrock of providing each person, family and business fundamental healthcare freedom.
Transparency — or Hidden Agenda of Governmental Control
A closer review of The two-part Obama Health Care Plan shows that the first part of his Plan was buried in the stimulus bill, and the second part is currently being debated in Congress. Unfortunately, the foundation of ObamaCare does not make health care more affordable and available, but rather promotes inefficient government control, long lines, rationing, and denial of health care – backed and enforced by penalties, punishments and taxation.
The first part of Obama’s Plan, already passed into law in the stimulus bill, dictates that doctors and hospitals will be overseen and reviewed by the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology. This “Coordinator,” an anointed bureaucrat, will “guide medical decisions at the time and place of care,” and will be responsible for monitoring treatments to make sure doctors and hospitals are strictly following the government’s pre-determined mandates (Stimulus Bill, p. 116; see also pp. 442, 446). This sounds suspiciously like practicing medicine without a license, a crime in almost every state.
What happened to doctor/patient confidentiality? What happened to H.I.P.P.A.’s mandate and philosophy that no one outside the doctor’s office should be able to access, to see or to monitor your patient records? Big Brother will definitely be watching you, and will also tell you what treatments you can and cannot have.
The stimulus bill goes on to say that hospitals and doctors that are NOT “meaningful users” of the new electronic systems will face penalties. The Secretary of Health and Human Services will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time.” (Stimulus Bill pp. 366, 478, 511, 518, 540, 541.) According to those in Congress, penalties could include large six figure financial fines and possible imprisonment for NOT following government protocols. It is one way to fund the new system, but a self-defeating one. According to the Obama Plan, if your doctor saves your life but breaks government protocol, you might have to go to the prison to see your doctor for follow-up! It is therefore NOT surprising that a recent Investor’s Business Daily Survey revealed 45% of physicians currently in practice reported they would leave the field of medicine it this legislation is implemented. This potential reduction in health care providers does not bode well for the ability of Obama’s Plan to make health care available to everyone, or at least everyone the government deems “worthy.”
“No Additional Taxes” = Mandates and Escalating Penalties
As outrageous and over-the-top as this seems, the penalties and punishments are NOT limited to providers. Every American becomes a target with this plan. If an individual declines to buy insurance (at a price to be determined by the government), he/she will be fined $1900 for not buying the insurance. The penalties for this “non-tax” escalate. Politico.com has reported on the explanation of additional penalties on individuals by The Joint Congressional Committee on Taxation:
“Sen. John Ensign received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it ‘Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold.’ “
If any American chooses NOT to have coverage, as millions currently do, then they will be fined. If they do NOT pay the fine then they will penalized $25,000 or ‘Go To Jail’…..Go directly to jail without passing Go.
But the penalties, taxes and punishments do not stop there. In fact, President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid do NOT want you to consider the taxes really to be taxes. On page 203 of the health care bill (the one that is currently available to the public) it is stated, “The tax imposed under this section shall NOT be treated as a tax imposed.” I kid you not…..how dumb do they think we are?
While out of one side of his mouth President Obama claims there will not be an increase in “taxes,” it has also been reported that a provision to tax medical appliances has been proposed to partially fund the health care plan.
The Senate recently exempted medical items that cost under $100 — such as tampons and condoms. But the tax, expected to raise about $40 billion over the next decade, is still in the bill and includes items like:
- Pacemakers
- Hip joint replacements
- Gastrointestinal tubes
- Artificial hearts
- Hearing aids
- Porcelain teeth
- Heart defibrillators
- Prosthetic heart valve rotators
- Powered wheelchairs
- Ventilators
The Medical Device Manufacturer’s Association said that the tax would hurt them, as well as those who need medical devices.
Rationing and Denying Access to Health Care
If that is NOT enough, there is the final penalty, DEATH. The core and the heart of The Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Democrat majority Plan is to cut costs by one of the more inhumane and unethical means, denying and rationing care. This method of rationing and denying care in other countries has lead to premature deaths. In a Supreme Court of Canada decision in Chaoulli v. Quebec in June of 2005, the Chief Justice and Justice Major noted that the evidence adduced in the lower courts established beyond doubt that many Quebec residents face significant delays in obtaining treatment in the public health care system resulting in adverse physical and psychological consequences:
“Access to a waiting list is not access to health care….[T]here is unchallenged evidence that in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care. Where lack of timely health care can result in death, Section 7 protection of life itself is engaged.”
The rationing of care in the Two Part Obama Health Care Plan is implemented through a Council, equivalent to the National Health Care Board in the British Health Care System. The name given to this panel is The Federal Coordinating Council For Comparative Effectiveness Research (“Federal Council”). (Section 9201 H.R. 1 Version of the Stimulus Bill.)
President Obama has already appointed the fifteen-member Federal Council. According to the Stimulus Bill, p. 152, all members of the Council must be “senior federal officers or employees.” Thus, medical treatment will be dispensed by a group of bureaucrats from their ivory towers, not by the hands-on practitioners in the presence of the patients. The council was funded with $1.1 BILLION from the stimulus bill.
It becomes evident that the Obama health Care plan as advanced by Pelosi, Reid and the Democrat majority in the House and Senate is NOT about bringing affordability and availability to the health care system. This insidious Plan is about wresting control of every American’s life and death through penalties, punishments, taxes and coercion.
When I became a physician I took an Oath to “Do No Harm”. This legislation inflicts HARM on every American and must be stopped and the health care portion of the stimulus bill must be repealed. If not, you and your family will become shackled to the Federal Government.






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sigh…our health CARE in this country is the BEST in the world. When too many government regulations and laws ALLOWING selected companies, and government bureaucracies, to get in between you and your doctor, thus making prices go up, is when the problem started.
I remember way back when, you could routinely go in for your annual check up, or a quick visit for a bad case of the flu, and you didn't have to FILE an insurance claim, you wrote a check for $40-$50 bucks, and that covered EVERYTHING – the entire visit!!
Why are there not people already in JAIL for this bovine manure? Why has this not been challenged (well, by someone who can afford to) on Constitutional grounds?
I truly wonder if the LIBS are listening. Wait…They attended government schools…they would HAVE NO IDEA it was Lincoln and the repusblicans WHO FREED THE SLAVES ! ____Ummmmm. ACORN and minorties..LISTEN UP ! REPUBLICANS freed the slaves. DEMOCRATS enslaved you AGAIN with LBJ's GREAT SOCIETY. And what have you learned ? Nothing… You still have your hand out and if you do not get what you think you are entitled to…you trash or riot ! You are doomed within your own ignorance and its a shame when you could be a great and productive culture.
I truly wonder if the LIBS are listening. Wait…They attended government schools…they would HAVE NO IDEA it was Lincoln and the Republicans WHO FREED THE SLAVES ! ____Ummmmm. ACORN and minorties..LISTEN UP ! REPUBLICANS freed the slaves. DEMOCRATS enslaved you AGAIN with LBJ's GREAT SOCIETY. And what have you learned ? Nothing… You still have your hand out and if you do not get what you think you are entitled to…you trash or riot ! You are doomed within your own ignorance and its a shame when you could be a great and productive culture.
I truly wonder if the LIBS are listening. Wait…They attended government schools…they would HAVE NO IDEA it was Lincoln and the Republicans WHO FREED THE SLAVES !
Ummmmm. ACORN and minorties..LISTEN UP ! REPUBLICANS freed the slaves. DEMOCRATS enslaved you AGAIN with LBJ's GREAT SOCIETY. And what have you learned ? Nothing… You still have your hand out and if you do not get what you think you are entitled to…you trash or riot ! You are doomed within your own ignorance and its a shame when you could be a great and productive culture.
Has Obamma also appointed his civilian army to put us all in jail as we say no to his government run health care???????????????????Why in hell can't the government work on fixing the fraud and abuse already in our government run programs,THEN see what needs to be done???Oh, silly me, that is the common sense way.
Screw this government. They are power hungry peices of manure.
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How very consistent !
Lincoln ended slavery in areas where he had no control, and allowed it to continue in areas where he could end it, with the "Emancipation Proclamation". Here we go again.
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If this thing passes, premiums will skyrocket, taxes will skyrocket, the economy will plummet AGAIN and rationing will begin. I do not understand why there isn't more resistance to this bill from the democrats. This bill will be a permanent change to our way of life if passed.
People who cant afford to pay the govt. for their health care will become indebted to the govt. The govt. issues penalties that far exceed what privte companies will against people who are in debt. The health care plan is just another way to raise govt. revenue which will make all citizens less wealthy. What would the results be of a nationwide bycott by all citizens of paying any money whatsoever to the health services industry? I believe one has to pay their honest debts but desperate circumstances require desperate solutions sometimes.
You must submit. Give into Government takeover of your body or go to jail. All while congress does not have the same plan. What ever happened to "We the People".
Instead we need to take over Congress, until they submit, till they have a plan they must also live under. Laws made by elitist politicians that others live by, but not thee, always leads to the murder of millions of citizens. Just ask Mao and Stalin or Anita Dunn
I would "almost" ask whether you actually believe what you just posted, but then with the education system in this country for the last 30+ years, I'll bet you do actually believe it. You might want to go back to whomever you taught you that and smack'em one, and then go study some more.
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I have been listening to speeches of Ronald Reagan. Peppered all through them is the word 'Freedom'. I have yet to hear a speech by Obama where he even mentions the word. As with all fascists.. he wants a form of Slavery to return.
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Change we can believe in, Impeach Obama!
If he isn't going to listen then we need to demand to have him Impeached. He doesn't fear loosing his job, which is why he does what he wants!
We need to let the politicians know WE ARE STILL THE BOSS!
If only that were possible… Improbable as the Demoslime control both houses….
you know acording to Dr.Orly Taitz the lawyer that has filed a law suite against obama she has evidence that says cannot be president of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA according to our CONSTITUTION because his father was a british citizen at the time of obama’s birth and according to the british constitution any offspring of a british citizen is to a british citizen whether that child was born on british soil or not.so if it is found in coart that he is holding the office of the president illegally then everything that he put’s his signature on is also illegal so any of these bill’s that they are passing are also illegal and can and will be thrown out after he is found out in coare the trial is suppose to start in january 2010 it shouldn’t take long to establish whether he is illigally holding the office of president but the evidence against him goe’s much deeper than ligality and is going to i feel prity much clean the democrat’s out because they know his legal statis and arent doing anything about it all that they are doing is covering it up as usual it seems that they are expert’s at that just look at ACORN/SEIU/AFL-CIO/ACLU/UTF/ATF look at how corrupt they are and the democrat’s have been covering up for them for years. so we the LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZEN TAX PAYER’S must support Dr.Orly Taitz after all she is trying to help our country and get rid of all of the corruption in washington we must not accept any of these bill’s that they push through we must demand that they stop right now and not do any thing else until this matter of obama is resolved.
Quite frankly, this article condenses the Health Care debate into one succinct, salient point: "Freedom of Choice".
Throughout the ages, the Freedoms of America are what has separated US, from them; the huddled, unwashed masses of every third and fourth world cesspools of the globe. Taking that freedom away, will not happen without a fight. The Health Care Debate is one very small step in the scheme of things. While America is preoccupied in focusing on Health Care, Barry Soetero will Cede American Sovierngty in Copenhagen on 7 December. It is a criminal shame.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1580...
Sustainable Socialism is Unsustainable…………
Have failth, CL…. The vermin will be swept into the corners very soon….
This is the actual factual truth, Jeff Stone. To restate:
Lincoln freed the slaves in the states which were, at the time, in rebellion against the U.S. government. He had no legal authority over those states. He was prosecuting a war against those states, and civil authority in those areas (correctly) did not enforce the Proclamation.
Lincoln chose NOT to free the slaves in the Union states, even though he had perfect legal authority to do so.
Those who want to tout Lincoln as a great president are welcome to do so, of course. I'm not so sure. Some of my reading seems to indicate he himself was something of a mystic and a mental case.
The Progressives (including the Marxists and/or Communist components) are not intent at giving all people health care nor are they intent on giving better care. Their only intent is a secretive take over of the entire Federal system of the last vestiges of our Republic form of government. They use the ruse of wanting to help but their intentions are clear: they want to control every possible aspect of your individual life. We were formed as unique form of government. It is possible that as much as we wanted to reproduce this American nation's form of governance we may not be able to. If God formed this nation then it may not successfully be for any other nation but our own. We must not allow this "BIG GOVERNMENT" attempt at control and bribery of it’s our citizens and foreign nationals to continue.
To those of you who are now or have been in the military you must carry out your oath of defending the U.S. Constitution against any and all changes to it by it's enemies. Military members are not sworn to defend the physical land nor the peoples therein. They are charged by their oaths to defend the U.S. Constitution so that the land and the peoples are protected as a by product. To go to war in Iraq or Afghanistan but allow the Republic to be destroyed from within is a travesty and a complete failure to conduct one's self as one in the military. To those in the Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines, and Coast Guard and their reserve components: carry out your oaths!
How does one in the military carry out such an oath? First, you must take an active role in contacting your elected officials via all forms of communication: letters, postcards, phone calls, faxes, and in person discussions (at townhalls, where else they may speak, and at their offices. Second, you must inform your self and other upon the issues and the outcomes of said issues. Third, you must stand up on the streets of your city and be seen defending the U.S. Constitution: with flags, with signs, and with the intent of resisting the Marxism influence in your local area. Fourth, you must go to DC to protest the Federalization of major industries. Fifth, you must know and understand each Article in the U.S. Constitution fully. Sixth, you must read and understand supporting documents (esp. those that are cited by the U.S. Supreme Court) i.e. The Federalist papers, the Magna Carter, and so forth. Seventh understand the nature of human deception and do not tolerate it in whatever party you join. Eight, read the enemies materials such as: Communist Manifesto, Saul D. Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals," know what secular humanism and how they are using it in our schools, and the various other materials that explain their logic and intent. Ninth, and most importantly, you must petition the Sovereign God that gave this country to you and ask what other specific things He would have you do. This list of what to do is a mere beginning and does not include at all, a call for any violence or anarchy. If you are not a believer in Jesus Christ then follow what points you can.
God bless you all and let’s not give in to this immoral changes to and unlawful attack upon the United States Constitution and it’s Republic form of government.
You defame your own cause with your semi-literate scribbles. You should have enlisted the help of a more literate person, if you know anyone of that description. I fervently hope that you are correct in your thinking, and that President Obama will be hounded from office ASAP over this citizenship issue.
However, the reality is: Even if you're right, there's no certainty that you'll ever be proven right. There's a virtual certainty, in my mind, that President Obama will never be removed from office due to legal questions surrounding the circumstances of his birth.
On the other hand, fighting Obama's healthcare reform, fighting carbon tax (and cap and trade) legislation, and several other well-known issues, might result in a big swing in the 2010 midterm elections. That's where we need to concentrate our efforts, not on this pie-in-the-sky citizenship issue. Trust me, I'd like nothing better than to see him leave office immediately, in disgrace. I just doubt that as a real possibility.
davewolfgang, it is you who are wrong, not Jeff Stone.
William Seward, Lincoln's secretary of state, commented, "We show our symapthy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free." Lincoln was fully aware of the irony, but he did not want to antagonize the slave states loyal to the Union by setting their slaves free.
I'm sure your heart is in the right place. Please see my comment below. You can read more at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h1549.html
davewolfgang, it is you who are wrong, not Jeff Stone.
"William Seward, Lincoln's secretary of state, commented, 'We show our symapthy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free.' Lincoln was fully aware of the irony, but he did not want to antagonize the slave states loyal to the Union by setting their slaves free." (Quoted from the PBS website linked below)
I'm sure your heart is in the right place. Please see my comment below. You can read more at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h1549.html
to be sure, Mr. Lincoln actually only abolished slavery in those states that were in REBELLION against the Federal Government. He didn't actually abolish slavery in Missouri, Kentucky or Maryland. Slavery wasn't actually abolished until the passage of the passage of the 13th Amendment – Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865.
What he DID do was to redefine the reasons for prosecuting the war and ending the rebellion of those states who attempted to secceed from the union. By taking this heroic step, he ended any chance of either France or the United Kingdom's recognition of the Confederacy (as the "common" people in both countries were vociferously against slavery). It was a bold stroke and, more importantly, a brilliant stroke as it literally ended any chance of outside interference in that terrible internicine struggle. The Confederacy could have still won independence by militarily defeating the Union, or by wearing out Union determination to win, but no foreign government was going to intervene as the struggle became a moral one, as opposed to a strictly political or economic war.
to be sure, Mr. Lincoln actually only abolished slavery in those states that were in REBELLION against the Federal Government. He didn't actually abolish slavery in Missouri, Kentucky or Maryland. Slavery wasn't actually abolished until the passage of the passage of the 13th Amendment – Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865.
What he DID do was to redefine the reasons for prosecuting the war and ending the rebellion of those states who attempted to secceed from the union. By taking this heroic step, he ended any chance of either France or the United Kingdom's recognition of the Confederacy (as the "common" people in both countries were vociferously against slavery). It was a bold stroke and, more importantly, a brilliant stroke as it literally ended any chance of outside interference in that terrible internicine struggle. The Confederacy could have still won independence by militarily defeating the Union, or by wearing out Union determination to win, but no foreign government was going to intervene as the struggle became a moral one, as opposed to a strictly political or economic war.
That on the 1st day of January, in the year of our Lord 1863, all persons held as slaves within any state or designated part of a state, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free;
This is the relevant passage of the proclamation.
Um…the only real problem is that I'd rather have a socialist in Office than an idiot…and Joe Biden is a flaming hemrhoid of an idiot if there ever was one!
One of the key pieces in this attempt is electronic medical records. See how well they've worked out in the UK:
http://www.ischool.drexel.edu/faculty/ssilverstei...
Good catch. These people are experimenting around with my financial and physical life and I'm angry.
Good catch. These people are experimenting with my financial and physical life and I'm angry.
No wonder they don't want us to Read The Bill.
This bill is the Coup D'Etat by statists to make the U.S. a permanent socialist country. Once the government decides who gets what health care, the last vestiges of privacy and autonomy will have been shredded.
It's time for Health Care to be the litmus test for political candidates. If they support this monstrosity, they don't get our votes.
I can say this without a shadow of a doubt.
The passage and enacting of this bill will ultimately be the downfall of Obama and the democratic party. When the government comes knocking at the publics door, and tries to enforce this legislation, most of the people who still support this president despite the events which have taken place since January will realize what this is really all about.
The people WILL revolt, and they will revolt hard.
Government healthcare is about being Dependent on them for your basic health problems. Listen to "Dependence Day", that sums it up better than I've ever heard. http://www.myspace.com/ronmasonandfriends
Apparently, others besides myself have considered the ramifications of unlawful orders to military personnel from our present-day Commander in Chief.
I found this site of interest. There are many soldiers' testimonials there, all of them saying they will NOT obey unlawful orders to subjugate American citizens.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
Apparently, others besides myself have considered the ramifications of unlawful orders to military personnel from our present-day Commander in Chief.
I found this site of interest. There are many soldiers' testimonials there, all of them saying they will NOT obey unlawful orders to subjugate American citizens.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
My own humorous contribution to the debate making a point
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_swPM14OMo
There is no reform in this "reform" because nothing in any of the bills addresses the causes of medical price inflation — which is not the same thing as insurance price inflation.
Medical costs are rising because of two primary factors: The cost of malpractice insurance and superfluous testing, etc. (defensive medical practices), and price-leveraging by the insurance industry (with Medicare & Medicaid the absolute worst) that forces practitioners to raise prices overall to make up for the shortfall. This causes self-paying patients to forego medical care, or to take out insurance, decreasing the full-pay patient pool and creating a vicious cycle of insurance price-leveraging and medical price increases, etc.
Insurance prices are high and going higher because of idiotic coverage mandates and other legislative tinkering. A policy should be a private contract between insurer and insured, but legislative bodies are so intent on "protecting" all of us morons from our own stupidity, they're willing to put all of us in the poor house and the insurance companies out of business ("for our own good") in the process. And of course, the enormous amount of fraud and waste, especially in Medicare/Medicaid.
And, about those HMO's: I believe this great concept was a Ted Kennedy special, but my own first introduction to the HMO business was in my old resume office, circa 1985: A client needed a biographical sketch to promote his business, which was new business start-ups, specializing in HMO start-ups. This client had NO medical background, expertise or interest — his business was business, and everything in his list of credentials was about making money, cost-effectiveness, and ROIs (return on investment). His work involved setting up HMO's as financial vehicles (it could have been candy-store chains, auto-parts dealerships, or fast-food franchises).
Similarly, the buyers for these HMO start-ups were financial investers, not doctors (unless incidentally). These were financial ventures, not fonts of compassion and caring.
Found some cell phone video of and SEIU rally. Check it out quick because the video keeps going up and down on youtube. These people are rowdy and a distraction to society!
http://myfreepress.net/2009/cell-phone-video-1199...
Found some cell phone video of and SEIU rally. Check it out quick because the video keeps going up and down on youtube. These people are rowdy and a distraction to society!
http://myfreepress.net/2009/cell-phone-video-1199...
TORT TORT TORT!
TORT reform is essential. Also, let ins. companies compete across state lines.
And then after that, we can get Obama a brain transplant
I'm sure you can find the words "I" and "me" in a lot of Obama speeches.
Okay, if Obama signs this bill and we get Universal Health Care, is that it? Can we fight it in the courts? I mean the libs runs to the courts every time they don't get their way. Noam Coleman has more votes than Al Franken, RUN TO THE COURTS. BINGO! Franken is selected, not elected. Prop 8 loses in California, RUN TO THE COURTS. BINGO! Were still fighting it.
If Obama signs it, we go to the courts.
I think you have done a great job explaining the cause of the problem. I am very worried about this bill.
The original big rise in medical prices were caused by lawyers. As more and more lawsuits piled up against the medical industry, many of which were questionable, prices went up to cover the loses. Then in steps government with more costly rules and regulations which further drove up costs and restricted services.
I think you have done a great job explaining the cause of the problem. Great posts.
I am very worried about this bill.
I am simplifying it however with the right President and Congress it would be a mere sweep of ink and it's over… Remember little of this goes into effect until 2013…. It certainly would be challanged but LIBS will not have the will nor the political capital to sustain their effort…. We shall see….
tick tock … tick tock … tick tock… As 2010 draws nearer…. These lying, twisted, freedom hating anti-Americans will soon be cleaning the streets. Fine us ? Jail us ? For……not bowing at your depraved alter. This is America and it will not be tolerated. Keep your snowball rolling… Every day is a reminder of how intense we shall be at the voting booths in November.
Thank you, Dr. Janda, for your review and studied thoughts. Disclosure is ammunition.
<DIV>Thank you, FlatTaxer; I had to split my response into three comment-posts because I guess I'm just too \”talky\” to fit it into one coherent thought
Yes, I'm also very worried about this.</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Your \”FlatTaxer\” moniker is interesting; Iwas out gathering petition signatures for consideration of Steve Forbes' flat tax proposal in the mid-1990's, but later (2004 I think) became more convinced the Fair Tax would be a better deal for America and Americans — it abolishes the Internal Revenue Service, eliminates federal income taxes, payroll taxes, capital gains taxes, death taxes, corporate and embedded taxes (roughly 22% of the cost of every product we buy), and brings the entire underground economy into the tax base. Meanwhile, it transfers authority back to the states, putting some teeth back into the Tenth Amendment. If you're not familiar with it, google \”Fair Tax Act\” and take a peek.</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>It's a non-starter of course (at least with this Congress), because it also dilutes thebargaining opportunities for congress-critters to sell their public trust to special interests. What else is new, right?</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Again, thanks,</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>MerryJ1
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Yes I have seen the Fair Tax Act and I believe it could also work. Unfortunately, politicians use taxes to control behaviors and win elections.
I think we would be so much better off if tax rates were truly equal, meaning the same rate for all whether on income or consumption.
Please, everyone, compare the actual language of the bill, in context, with the quotes used by Dr. Janda to support his concerns. See http://www.readthestimulus.org/. It is very important to represent things accurately, or you lose your credibility, like the Congress and Administration have done. In this respect taking the high road works.
This post is critically important and raises the question: If President Obama gives unlawful orders to our military, how will the military officers and enlisted personnel respond?
By "unlawful orders," I mean, of course, orders to detain, capture, physically harm or kill American citizens.
If you know a military person, particularly a National Guardsman, please pose this question to him or her. It is of more than passing interest. We know that President Obama fully understands that HIS kind of government comes from the barrel of a gun.
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<DIV>We agree. And I think the solution to \”politicians us(ing) taxes to control behavior and win elections\” is to get rid of the politicians who do that — which would mean virtually allmembers of both chambers, but what the heck, I'm game. That \”behavior\” thing is worse than the\”job-security\” thing in my view.You have to wonder exactly what part of \”individual liberty\” those cretins do not understand?</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Merry
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This is not about health care, it's about seizing power and control. Pelosi, Reid, Obama et al, know exactly what they are doing and that America is catching on. . .Otherwise, they would not have to resort to:
-accounting tricks to produce a price tag that apparently even Reid knew was wrong. . .he
carelessly slipped and uttered the real price of two trillion.
-Libs would not be meeting behind closed doors — to actually write a bill themselves –imagine
some intern with a word processor software will be interpreting the notes and actually writing
the final bill?
-preparing to pass using the reconciliation procedure – reserved for monetary emergencies
-staging photo ops with Drs and SEIU reps all dressed in lab coats — portending to be 100% MDs
-turning a deaf ear to the previous promise of 5 days of 'daylight' for any legislation before vote,
etc, etc, etc.
-the Libs have even admitted 25 million people will still be uninsured after this program is in effect?
(What is planned for these 25 million people?)
You don't believe it.?. . . Read any Lenin lately? "Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism." Vladimir Lenin
Here's more. . .these quotes will sound like Lenin was writing the Leftists/Obama playbook.
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If we survive and repel this takeover, this will be an era of major historical proportions. If we do not, our history, world history will be forever re-written by the Marxists.
December 7. . .another day of disaster for America. . . Pearl Harbor Day, 1941.
(All these signing dates of Obama's seem to have historical significance — even with
signing away the missle shields for Poland/Czechoslovakia – the anniversary date
of the Russian invasion of Poland. This president is rubbing Western faces in his
hatred of democracy)
However, won't the Senate have to ratify the treaty? We need to start banging some
drums so people are aware this is in the works. . .what the posuer is planning on
giving away. . Maybe if we cannot stop this, it could be negated by next senate, president.
How do we OPT OUT of this government-run healthcare crap?
I hate this Health care plan it is just bad news… I have not read all 1100 pages of it .
I won't listen to anybody who has yet to read all 1100 pages of the bill.
Obama judgement is seriously called into question when he backs an official with troubling ties to Muslim extremists & whose supporters practice ethnic cleansing and genocide. It was Islamists in Kenya who bombed the U.S>.Embassy in 1998 killing more than 200& injuring thousands. None of this has dissuaded obama from maintaining disturbing loyalities.
What difference does it make? Congress and Mr. Obama are already disregarding the Constitution. I guess there is no "Penalty" for violating the Constitution and thier Oath means NOTHING. Next step (Following Dr. Martin Luther King) is Civil Disobedience. Sit Ins, (Shutting down the Capitol and Congress with thousands of Americans sitting in and overwhelming the Capitol Police may get thier attention. Hopefully this will prevent the next step. Where are the Courts??
A Socialist will kill you, an idiot is much preferable.
You are Soooo Right. Common sense does not work for any politician. E.G:. There are over 1700 medical Insurance Companies in the US; California can use only 9…Politicians who created the Medicare "Donut Hole' cannot ever do anything Simple. A typical "Joe the Bartender" can run government better than 585 politicians..
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To overcome and reverse the Damage Obama and the Democrats are doing to this Country the GOP MUST look for a True Conservative Leader instead of Re Running the same old wishy-washy failed nominees. I see NO Winners in the current list of potential nominees. The GOP has had NO LEADERSHIP since Newt Gingrich left the House!! The closest person I see to Ronald Reagan is Sean Hannity……Buisness friendly, Strong Military, Tax Cuts, Revive the economy and create jobs by making it profitable for businesses to operate in America, Morals and true American Values, Loves America, Friends are our Friends and Enemies are out Enemy. When he fights a war he fights TO WIN!!! Anti Cap & Trade etc. America FIRST!!!
We should be looking for the next Reagan RIGHT NOW!!!
<DIV>Thanks, Philly Mike,</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>I admit to some ambivalence over the state-to-state disconnect; as stupid as that is, each state has its ownset of laws including all of the idiotic mandated coverage, which is the sticking point for interstate transactions. Still, if it's a 10th Amendment dispute, it's difficult for me to support the fed's usurpation.</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>But, Joe the Bartender? I think Little Joey that flunked third grade for the second time and has to check a cheat-sheet totell whether the little hand on 3and big hand on12 means three o'clock or a quarter after noon — couldn't do much worse than the 535 Gang.</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Thanks again,</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Merry
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" We can all agree that the US health care system needs drastic reform"…no we can't. The article is great but we need to stop taking these liberal premises. A small point, but as the article says, the only thing we should do is remove the impediments from people getting treated. "Reform" equals "control" in current political usage.
You know, with the glaring error in your opening paragraph, I find it impossible to care what else you have to say.
Read your Lincoln quote again, carefully.
Since you've apparently missed the point, and read it well enough to copy it, I'll make this simple for you: The so-called "emancipation proclamation" did not free one single slave in "the united states." Not ONE – as it only applied to the seceded states – then known as "The CSA."
It was nothing more than a political maneuver – one which left over a million people enslaved IN THE REMAINING "UNITED STATES" – "The North."
Arguably, it forbade the US Government from doing anything to return escaped slaves to seceded states, but history (not to mention common sense and basic logic) indicates that wasn't happening in the first place.
Though slavery was – of course – abhorrent, the fact is that Lincolns abrogation of the Constitution, his suspension of habeas corpus and freedoms of speech and the press, his wholesale incarceration of people who had done nothing wrong save consider opposing him… These were among the worst abuses in our history, and the beggining of the end of our Republic.
That so many believe the Emancipation Proclamation – signed in 1863 – was the cause of a war which began two years earlier is further proof of the problems with a centralized education system – but I digress.
Better luck next time…
DD
HEAT OF THE MOMENT
Thatcher adviser: Copenhagen goal is 1-world government
'Global warming' to be used as 'pretext' for 'change'
Posted: October 17, 2009
11:50 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
A former science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher says the real purpose of the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen on Dec. 7-18 is to use global warming hype as a pretext to lay the foundation for a one-world government.
"At [the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in] Copenhagen this December, weeks away, a treaty will be signed," Lord Christopher Monckton told a Minnesota Free Market Institute audience on Thursday at Bethel University in St. Paul.
"Your president will sign it. Most of the Third World countries will sign it, because they think they're going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regimes from the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won't sign it," he told the audience of some 700 attendees.
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"I read that treaty and what it says is this: that a world government is going to be created. The word 'government' actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity.
"The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to Third World countries, in satisfaction of what is called, coyly, 'climate debt' – because we've been burning CO2 and they haven't. We've been screwing up the climate and they haven't. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government is enforcement."
In an hour and a half lecture illustrated by slides featuring scientific data on a wide range of climate issues, Monckton refuted claims made by former Vice President Al Gore in his movie and book entitled "An Inconvenient Truth," as well as scientific arguments made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Monckton argued that President Obama will sign the Copenhagen treaty at the December meeting, without seeking a two-thirds ratification of the treaty by the Senate, or any other type of Congressional approval.
"So, thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom to the world. It is a privilege to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free," he continued. "But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your humanity away forever.
"But I think it is here, here in your great nation, which I so love and I so admire – it is here that perhaps, at this eleventh hour, at the fifty-ninth minute and fifty-ninth second, you will rise up and you will stop your president from signing that dreadful treaty, that purposeless treaty. For there is no problem with the climate and, even if there were, an economic treaty does nothing to [help] it."
Monckton is a well-known critic of the theory of anthropogenic causes for global warming who has argued repeatedly that global warming hysteria is an ideological position of the political Left advanced in the interest of imposing global taxes on the United States in the pursuit of international control of the U.S. economy under a one-world government to be administered by the U.N.
Monckton's lecture can be viewed online and his slides also can be accessed on the Internet.
Where's the global warming?
As evidence mounts that the United States is headed toward a cooling cycle that may last decades, global alarmists within the Obama administration remain resolved to push cap-and-trade legislation through Congress on the increasingly dubious theory that man-made carbon emissions are creating global warming.
In what has to be seen as increasingly bad news for global warming alarmists, scientific evidence is mounting that temperatures in the United States have cooled at a rate that would be projected to lower temperatures 7.3 degrees Fahrenheit over the next century.
AMEN Brother!!!!!! You are spot on right, every word!!!!!!
Thank you, Turn…. Just keep yelling the truth…..
$1900 to $25,000 for not buying insurance?? Better build more prisons for those can't afford health insurance now. How is this helping anyone, except the GOVERNMENT? Bottom line is It's not about health care it's about CONTROL For all who voted for this dick-tator , welcome to your "hope" and "change".
Jacob Hacker from the Tides Foundation is behind the single payer nightmare and he thinks they way you get it is to pay off doctors…he says "stuff their mouths with gold."
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Great job
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Someone call my process server, cause i want to see obama is court over this crap. What a joke. We need to fix the system, but not stalin style.
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