What Happens When a PI Dumpster Dives Behind a San Diego ACORN Office?
by Doug GilesHe strikes the flippin’ mother lode! At least that’s what happened to private investigator Derrick Roach at the National City (San Diego) ACORN office. Yep, Roach scored big-time on the cockroaches of ACORN when he staked out their San Diego workplace.
According to señor Roach via BigGovernment.com, after the release of the San Diego ACORN sting videos—which my daughter Hannah, James O’Keefe, and Andrew Breitbart dropped on the Nation’s head—and following Governor Schwarzenegger’s call for a probe into this batty zoo, Roach took it upon himself to get busy and see if he could ferret out more funky filth from this nefarious gang.
And, as stated, Roach scored more than Dwayne Wade would playing hoops against blind five-year-old, one-legged narcoleptic midgets.
What did Papa Roach come across? Well, my children, it was stuff like …
- Information exposing the inner workings of ACORN in California.
- Sensitive personal information belonging to employees, members and ACORN clients, such as social security numbers, driver’s license numbers, immigration records, and tax returns.
- ACORN’s political agenda is also laid bare, with thousands upon thousands of documents revealing the depth of the political machine that is ACORN and its disturbing ties not only to public employee labor unions but some of the most radical leftist organizations in existence (I wonder which politicians we will discover are in cahoots with these goofy clowns?).
The timing of this 20k plus page paper plunk of sensitive and incriminating 411 is kinda interesting as well. Check it out:
- On October 1, 2009 California Attorney General Jerry announced that he was going to do a little look-see inside ACORN’s hull to determine if their San Diego office was as innocent as Bertha Lewis, David Lagstein and the Mange Stream Media screamed them to be.
- “Coincidently,” just a few days prior to when AG Brown was slated to pay them a howdy-doo, low and behold, on October 9, ACORN San Diego decided to do a bit of midnight spring cleaning and dump all their docs in a public dumpster to spruce up the joint before the AG’s arrival.
- Unfortunately for poor ACORN, PI Derrick Roach was parked outside waiting for them to do something stupid like dump 20,000 plus pages of their corporate papyrus and their clients’ personal records in a trash bin behind their slim shady facilities.
By the way, are there laws governing how personal info like social security numbers, tax returns, driver’s license numbers and stuff like that should be handled? I’m thinking there would be. Hmmm, I don’t know. Maybe Media Matters will look into it; if there are laws demanding stringent care and disposal of sensitive info, it looks like ACORN, prima facia, could be in deep crap with a stack of folks for placing their private stories in a public dumpster.
I would now like to address you, Mr. Roach. Good job, old chap! As Hannah Giles’ father and one who has been on the receiving end of the ACORN/Mange Stream Media stick, please take my advice and brace for the vilifying crunch from these numb nuts.
They’re are going to hit you with retarded stuff like …
- How dare a conservative PI jump into a dumpster and steal trash?! It’s unethical.
- You’re not a legitimate trash man. You’ve never been to trash man school.
- The trash did not give its consent to be removed from the dumpster. California law requires garbage to give its go-ahead before it is embraced by another.
- FOX News paid you 100 kadrillion dollar$ to dumpster dive.
- You tried this at thousands of other ACORN dumpsters and came up snake eyes.
- No other ACORN office would ever dispose of their clients’ records like this, except, of course, for that Oklahoma ACORN branch that left all their computers and crap on the curb after they got kicked out of their building for not paying the bills.
ACORN, naturally, is going into full damsel in distress mode, stating it was an accident and a coincidence that it occurred right before Brown and his boys were to perform their investigative colonoscopy into ACORN’s corrupt underbelly.
ACORN also blathered that Roach stole their trash. Stole your trash? Hey ACORN, once you place your clients’ sensitive info and your political playbook into le garbage it is public domain. Every hooker running a whorehouse with underage sex slaves knows that.
Lastly, will the little darlings on the left report this? Will Eric Holder call for a brutal investigation into the ACORNucopia of corruption of which BigGov and some citizen soldiers have uncovered? Garsh … who knows! I guess we poor little serf’s of Obamaland will just have to wait and see.
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This is just soooooooooooo right!! Between the hackers of climategate and this astute PI ( who better watch his tush), Thanksgiving news like this makes one all the more thankful for patriots.
Also, thank you for the great article Doug Giles and thanks to Andrew Breitbart. I hope Big Bertha chokes on her turkey leg today….LMAO. Cheers.
Too bad no one photocopied the evidence and delivered it to the Hollywood WH bash last night as a gift to our "community organizing totus".
Thanks, Doug. Always enjoy your perspective. You raised a spit fire of a daughter.
California has a destruction law for personal information. As of January 1, 2001, businesses in California must destroy, or arrange for destruction of all customer records no longer being retrained by the business that contain personal information on customers.
Pdf of the law here: http://www.taxnewsandtips.com/ab_2246_bill.pdf
More info here: http://www.calshredding.com/laws.php
Looks like a lawsuit class action potential.
I wouldn’t be surprised if ACORN doesn’t convince some federal judge to demand the documents be returned to them.
Just imagine what the media hid from the public before the internet! Lucky that algore "invented" it.
Won't make any bit of difference. There are copies already secured somewhere, I am sure.
And for dessert, BigGovernment served…………you got it, Bon Bon!
Might be fun to dumpster dive the Greenpeace offices. Better still, I can think of several county offices, licensing divisions, local satraps and dog-catcher types that may yield interesting data in my own neighborhood.
After all, community investigation, like community organizing, begins in your own backyard.
Let's get busy, folks.
Mr Giles, thank you for your important work and your raising of a strong independent conservative female Patriot.
I'll bet you bought that $120 twelve month ACORN membership when the ACORN thugs came knocking.
Hey, Soros, I hope you were being facetious. The real Soros is a self-loathing, Jew hating Nazi collaborator who makes his fortune by destabilizing economies, even ours.
Gee, do you think ObaMao's name might come up a few times in the documents? Or is this all Gov. Moonbeam's territory?
Since when does an Attorney General give advance notice of an upcoming visit as part of the investigation ?? Sounds fishy to me.
ACORN was given plenty of time to fire up the paper shredders, or in this case, fill the dumpsters. Nice of them to put their name on the bags, too.
Reminds me of Saddam Hussein being told when the coalition would kick him out. Gave him plenty of time to dispose of the WMD. IMO
Hannah is one lucky girl…I wish I had a daddy like you! I can see why she is such a great American.
Be careful Mr. Bigmouth. Don't get hit with the bricks that are falling down from you snakey and lying organization.
Soros, REALLY? you left off the rest of the Acorm talking points…you could not come up with something more clever than “teabaggers” please! Take your ignorance somewhere like Meadia Matters where ignorance runs free! Mr. Giles thank you for you top class reporting and for raising such a smart and fearless sleuth. I commend the guts your family has to take these crooks on! God bless you all!
Gutless Netbanger going ad hominum. He would never call names face to face.
Why would they throw away applications for public assistance? The only possible reason would be that they were engaged in Fraud. They could be making fraudulent applications for Food Stamps and then selling the food stamps on a the street. Also San Diego is a border down. An applicant could live in Tijuana and have a PO Box across the Border in San Ysidro — 15 minutes south of San Diego. You could collect welfare, Food Stamps, SSI, Medicaid, Healthy Families and live in Tijuana, Mexico. You could either be an American Citizen living in Tijuana or a Mexican Citizen with a Green Card. You could even be an illegal alien and have a friend or relative pick up you benefit check or foodstamps across the border in mexico. Somebody could visit a San Ysidro supermarket and watch the amoung of foodstamps being used.
Damn, Doug, I love your writing style. I have to read your stuff out loud, it’s that good. It’s a refreshing change of pace from the oh-so-scholarly-sounding, yet oh-so-very-nice writing we expect from the average columnist.
In fact, someone should take your columns, some Klaven or Zo-like person who knows how to read out loud for the camera, and use your rants for a script and make a slew of YouTube vids out of them. They would be priceless. Someone who exudes cool and happy, laughing contempt at the same time. Well, someone like Klaven or ‘Zo Rachel. You rock, Mr. Giles.
(One minor correction: “LO! and behold!” Not “Low and behold.”)
Things like that make the left think you’re an uneducated hick rube.
OH WAIT, they would think that if you wrote like the National Review.
Carry on!
(I get the same visceral “this person don’t read much, do he?” reaction when I see someone type a phrase which they doubtless heard on television a few times, they know where to use it, but have no idea its origins, and hence how to spell it: TOW THE LINE. No. It’s TOE the line. See this line down here? See my toes on it? I am TOEING the line. Like a troop of soldiers in formation, all toeing the same line. Ain’t no towtruck involved. Nobody’s pulling a rope. That would make no sense. The internet needs more editors, or the NEA needs abolishing.)
HAPPY THANKSGIVING, ALL! THANK GOD FOR BG.com, THANK GOD FOR TRUTH AND DISCERNMENT, and may He give us all more of the latter, and the wisdom to use it effectively for His Glory, and to figuratively curbstomp those whose god is the Father of Lies. May God – Hashem, the Creator, YHWH, that is, bless you all!
Here's a shoutout to all you PI's out there. Want to see your name in the headlines? ACORN, SEIU and affiliates could be your meal ticket. This is only one dumpster in a very large country.
This could get VERY interesting. Might even become a reality TV show or a new fad. Like "Bobbing for ACORNs", "ACORN Diving" or just "ACORNing". Videtape your activity and submit it for competition.
Heck, I've heard ACORN's gone international. I'm sure they're real careful with their material.
This could get fun. Just remember to practice safe ACORN.
It's a difficult situation for ACORN, taking out the trash. They're usually TAKING IN THE TRASH, and they just got all confused.
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From:
To: “Chris Fusco” , “jchase” , “jskass” , “rolmstead”
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:58:40 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Fwd: Mail Delivery Problem-Carol Marin
Gentleman,
It appears as though, Carol Marin has made a decision that she no longer wants any information about Dr. Ronald Michael and his pals.
This does not bode well for the state of journalism in Chicago. As many of us know, Dr. Michael is a close friend of Tony Rezko. One of my sources informed me that Dr. Michael’s family met Tony in Lebanon, before he came to the U.S. to live with the Michael family. This story gets better everyday, so you can imagine my dismay that a veteran like Carol Marin would want to be excluded.
Anyone else want out of their responsibility as a journalist?
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From: “Mail Delivery Subsystem”
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:08:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Mail Delivery Problem
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carolmarin
Good God, all us unemployed now can have a new "green" profession. What a brilliant idea!
Soros? Good name for you because the real Soros is an ex-nazi and we all know how murderous and racist those insane people were. You Acorn nuts are all about power and money and absolutely no empathy for any inner city folks. We see how the "Chicago" organizer fixed his neighborhood. All that money and it's still a ghetto!!
*Chuckles*
And a green job that does actual good! One that shows results.
Way to go! I can't wait to see what crazy stuff you guys pull out of that document dump! So many document dumps in so many days. Christmas came early this year!
God bless all you guy's and gals for exposing this and God Bless the Constitution of the United States. I think there is still hope.
And Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
HA HA HA. Nice try. Reel in the fishing line, loser.
Sounds like Soros is pretty sore …. poor baby.
Hey, Soros, try Preparation H, I've heard Libtards really love the relief it gives. Rub some in the area of where your brain should be.
Uh, Doug, is that profile pic really you? Yowsa, handsome man there, Mr. Giles. Hey, I can look can't I???
"You’re not a legitimate trash man. You’ve never been to trash man school. " hahaha!
Very funny article!
You're a loser, get used to it.
All I an do is sit here and smile like an idiot. This is better than television. By the way Soros you call him racist but you are the one that brought up race. Now shall we get all un-PC and call a spade a spade????
Dumpster Diving…Never know what you may find. One persons trash is another mans treasure! In this case, One corupt organizations trash is evidence to their criminal wrong doings!
YAWN.
Please return to HuffPo, the Globe of politics and the 'leading' liberal website where incoherent bloggers are a dime a dozen. Once you're sufficiently dumbed-down from reading the great works of such intellectual giants like John Mellencamp and Sean Penn, you'll be able to appreciate the incredibly ignorant comments.
Return to your Gods, Hollywood and government, purveyors of liberal morality, where dead babies are cheered as a symbol of freedom and where the poor are used as pawns so the wealthy can control them. Destroy the spirit, corrupt the masses oh Mighty Ones so that we, the jackbooted, can fee the people from themselves.
And if you're a 'progressive', be thankful on this Thanksgiving Day that you can make a donation to Planned Parenthood specifically to be used to abort a black baby. And be thankful for your soft bigotry of low expectations as implemented in education, dependent inducing welfare, and zero expectation of personal responsibility, for it will always assure a certain population for you to control.
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Here is the link to all the ACORN locations nationwide. People in those locations, please become dumpster divers, please!!! http://www.acornlocations.com/
Here is the link to some of the SEIU locations.
People in those locations, please become dumpster divers, please!!!
http://www.seiu1.org/aboutlocal1/offices/Default….
How about looking up all the SEIU and Working Family Party locations all over the United States while we are at it. I found the WFP in Albany, NY. Just go to your search engine…I prefer yahoo because google does some fishy stuff…and put in Working Families Party and put in your location and see where they are.
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Working Families Party
* (518) 445-0905
94 Central Ave, Albany, NY 12206
Goooooooo dumpster divers!!!!
Thanks for all of you brave and honest people who expose this corruption.
Keep at it until you make the media recognize and address the real scandal, that these ACORN organizations and affiliates are money laundering tax-exempt funds and using them for illegal political activities. This is illegal perversion of our political process.
This whole thing is cracking me up. I mean, it would be hysterical, if it were a Hollywood movie.
Please Andrew go on TV and just mention , mention you may have some POLITICIAL NAMES that you found !!!!!!
Please !!!!!
I was in Social Service administration 30 years or so. Pitching confidential client informaton in the garbage can is so wrong on so many points. Any of my staff who would have done this, would be immediatley terminated. There better be some people from ACORN in San Diego going to jail. Attrorney General Moonbeam better put them in the Blue Star Hotel; otherwise he must be recalled. Governor Schartzwhatever has to get on this immediatley.
Thank you so much for bringing this to the light of day. What would we do without websites like BigGov? Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication to our Country. God Bless you.
Wow, that is just plain awesome.
Now hopefully something can be done about SEIU soon…
I wonder a high leve official to investigate these thieves and crooks? It's so frustrating. Each time a new story comes out…I think..OK this must be it…now they'll fry these SOB's…then…complete silence from the AG. Actually, I wouldn't want the AG to have anything to do with investigating ACORN, etal, as it is obvious they are all in bed with each other. We need a truly disinterested party to get involved.
Each time a story comes out I THANK THE LORD!. I pray daily that he will shine his light on the corruption in our government and he continues to do do…..THANK YOU LORD. And thank you to all that continue to expose this corruption to us. God Bless.
I wonder when these criminals will ever truly be investigated? I don't trust anyone with ties to this administration to do it 'cause they're all in bed with ACORN, SEIU, etal. We need to start picketing all the ACORN offices across this country and DEMAND that not one more penny is handed over to them. WE NEED TO START USING THE SAME TACTICS THESE THUGS HAVE USED. I want to start an ANTI-ACORN, SEIU, ETAL movement and sit mount protests. ANYONE CARE TO JOIN ME?
I love Mr. Giles sharp wit! Mr. Giles, did anyone send you the memo that the story is the PI "happened to be driving by"? Making statements like "Roach scored big-time on the cockroaches of ACORN when he staked out their San Diego workplace." is going off the script that has been sold on Fox News and this website. I'm just saying that you have to pick a lie and stick with it and everybody should be on board. Don't want to start looking like one of your daughter's ACORN tapes do ya?
"How dare a conservative PI jump into a dumpster and steal trash?! It’s unethical." — No sir, it's illegal:
NATIONAL CITY MUNI CODE:
7.10.150 Scavenging prohibited.
No person, other than the owner thereof, or an employee of the city, or a person holding a contract with the city for the collection of garbage and refuse, shall interfere in any manner with any garbage or rubbish receptacle or the contents thereof, or remove any such receptacle from the location where the same was placed by the owner thereof, or remove any of the contents from any such receptacle. Prior to citing an individual for a violation of this section, a warning shall first be given.
(Ord. 1812 (part), 1984)
The dumpster was on private property, gated with a large "No Trespassing" sign on it. The legalities can't get much more clear than that, sir.
"By the way, are there laws governing how personal info like social security numbers, tax returns, driver’s license numbers and stuff like that should be handled? I’m thinking there would be." — And you're thinking would be correct, sir. Most of these documents are NOT "smoking guns" and are desperately being spun to look that way even though most of these documents posted on this website can be downloaded off the internet directly from ACORN sites (YEYB Statements for example). The credit report from "Andre" has me convinced that ACORN may very well have violated Subtitle 21, Title 5 of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act as well as the California Financial Information Privacy Act (CFIPA). BUUUUTTTTTTT…….so did the Private Investigator, "Papa Roach". This credit report was provided by a TCI and specializes in mortgage loans and appears this credit report was obtained in the capacity of a third party lending specialists and DEFINITELY is covered under the Subtitle 21, Title 5 of the GLB Act. There is a serious problem though, investigating this.
This is Subtitle 21, Title 5 of the GLB Act. You need Acrobat Reader: http://banking.senate.gov/conf/fintl5.pdf
If you were to turn to pages 27 & 28 of this report, you'll see the exact legal requirements that a licensed private Investigator is allowed access to recognizable non public personal financial information and what by law, a licensed private investigator is allowed/required to do with this information. Stealing them from a dumpster and then selling or giving them to a blogger is definitely not allowed under Subtitle 21, Title 5 of the GLB Act. The licensed private investigator broke the same damn law!!!
Now any licensed private investigator knows that the most sacred element of any investigation is preserving the evidence chain. By preserving the evidence chain, that doesn't include selling or giving evidence to a blogger to post on a website. Hello? Now how do we know these documents actually came from the dumpster? How do we know these documents weren't downloaded or provided from other agencies since a licensed private investigator certainly has the credentials? How do we know these documents weren't manufactured in Photoshop or Illustrator? The burden of proof is now on the licensed private investigator because he violated the sanctity of preserving the evidence chain by involving a third party and seriously tainted the evidence. What, there's no Republican District Attorneys in California that he could have turned this evidence over to? In other words, the licensed private investigator (papa roach) sh#t-canned any possibility of a thorough investigation into ACORN over these documents and you hail this guy as a hero? Are you nuts?
It begs to ask the obvious question…do you REALLY want a thorough investigation into ACORN or are you just playing politics as usual and if it's not politics as usual then why hail "Papa Roach" as a hero when he screwed an opportunity like this up royally? Just sayin'.
Very interesting. I'd sure like to know the details of the data. This site is a treasure. Thanks! The writing of this article was exceptional.
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The Democratic organized crime family is beginning to crack all around it as if it was in the middle of a frozen lake and they can't make it back to the shore. We are seeing the end of the party of bigots, hate, death, unions, mafia and leftist malcontents come crashing down and we really don't have to do to much. These papers are going to start bringing whistle blowers out of the woodwork to save their own butts. WE THE PEOPLE need to demand our District Attorneys to go after these mobsters even if it goes into the Oval Office. Where are the DA's in this country that believe in the constitution and put this country ahead of their own careers. Rudy went after the New York Five families and broke them. We need a lot of young Rudy's to get out there and bring these Democratic organizations that are nothing more then a protection rackets for the party.
Everyday more stuff is coming out and as we get towards the election in NOV we need to take back the congress and have a super majority and go after all these traitors and reopen Alcatraz and put them all there for life. Keep up the great work Andrew, Hannah, James and Derrick. Doug your words are like sword cutting through the lines of the enemies of America. Keep sticking it to them, I plan to do it on film.
WOW — nice articulation of your naive interpretation of the facts…..have you read all 2,000 pages??? or are you just speculating with your sophomoric legaleeeeze????
might be better for you to bring forth your lawsuit against the people, and present your facts in court before a judge, then we'll see how much you know — or think you know— about the laws in this country…….kangaroo court now ajorned.
First of all, I have no lawsuit nor did I ever state I did. Don't know where you pulled that one out of. Have I read all 2,000 pages of what? Are you speculating on 2,000 pages of whatever along with my phantom lawsuit?
It's not what I "think" I know about the law, I actually provided a link to the actual law so you can read it yourself. How resourceful of me. I also believe that if ACORN carelessly discarded this non public information in the trash than they should be held accountable. The fact that the documents were stolen and posted on the third party's wewbsite is the reason WHY we have these laws to prevent this sort of thing from happening and subsequently individual's identities getting hijacked and put on a website.
Let's go get 'em! And I don't even own a purple T-shirt.
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Excuse me Mr. Syntax, but, if that law, and I must give you your due, is to be followed, wouldn't it also make it Illegal for a homeless person to dumpster dive for the leftovers of a bakery, or restaurant? I wonder how many of the homeless have been prosecuted for trying to obtain food in this manner? You are grasping at straws sir, and I doubt that anyone could be prosecuted under it.
just sayin
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Did the Atty Gen have a warrant to get their stuff? He seems to part of the problem, giving ACORN a warning or notice that they are coming. This area seems quite vague.
Seems to me that Syntax is using one of the first rules of Saul Alinsky ” ridicule the mesenger and or the message. seems to me.
thank you Andy and all the rest of you patriots @ Big Gov…take heart people…remember…
A-ll
C-orrupt
O-rganizations
R-ot
N-aturally
…hey America…let’s get to composting!
We.ll see how the obamao responds with his ACORNs in a vise.
More good stuff to be thankful for. The tide is turning.
To those giving SYNTAX GAME any “attention”-please STOP! HE/SHE/IT is a paid blogger from ACORN/DNC! DO NOT ARGUE WITH IT!
IT ??????? Ok actualy I love it and used in a proper context too.
Nancy stooges like syntax have gone to long unanswered pro or not his rot needs to be pointed out.
Remember Arnie in Kindergarden Cop when the kids were taught to point out a stranger/ Well consider this left wing drip answered, because if all the left has as a defense is some group of municipal laws to answer probable Federal violations, and high crimes against the citizenry then the other side is desperate..
I don't know if California has moved to it, but a lot of states now have Electronics Benefits Cards, they work like a debit card for both cash and food benefits, so it would be difficult to "see" anyone selling them illegally – but the paper trail would be there to follow in the documents. That being said – Thank God for BrietBart!!
As a Financial Adviser, I recommend that EVERYONE put their money in companies that make paper shredders. Between the Great Global Warming Swindle, ACORN, SEIU and the Liar-in-Chief at the WH and every DNC sponsor and office, these paper shredder machine companies (Fellowes and Brother immediately come to mind, with Pitney-Bowes making the big industrial shredder that most of these offices will need judging by the size and scope of their lies) are not going to be able to produce enough shredders to meet the HUGE demand. I am predicting shredder SHORTAGES. These people are going to be spending any amount of money necessary to get those that can be found. Buy now before it is too late! This is the ONE AND ONLY industry that 's guaranteed to grow under the Øtard Administration – and in industry parlance, this is known as "A Lead Pipe Cinch". Don't miss out on "the next Microsoft".
Don't you just love the fact that ACORN is so "soil my panties" upset over this that they are sending their operatives out to blogs to post additional misinformation? But they don't even know the law! Oh, here's a question for you: "what's the difference between a code violation and the law"? Lots! And they don't understand that gov't officials don't have to care how information is derived before it gets to their hands – just as long as they weren't complacent in it's gathering.
But that's all superfluous stuff when you get down to it. The biggest point is this: The court of public opinion is the institution that is judging in this matter and it looks like it didn't take long at all for the guilty verdict to be rendered. It just got down to who people chose to believe – an entity and it's operatives that have demonstrably LIED on every issue and at every turn, or the people who have been proven to have only exposed the truth and have been proven to not have uttered a single misleading or false statement.
Like in the CAIR undercover Muslim Mafia expose? FBI got involved before they were turned over. Time will tell why they intercepted.
Good work. Very good work, indeed. Much thanksgiving for Big Government, Mr. Breitbart and Crew.
Comment: If it’s this easy to turn over the rocks ACORN was hiding under, then either journalism no longer involves investigation or the legacy media’s journalists are pursuing some other craft than journalism, e.g. P.R. for the White House and propaganda for the Democrats.
Just get this out there: Obowma.
we the people…doing the job journalists used to do before they had liberal skin in the game. They have obsoleted themselves.
Be patient. Justice won't happen on Holder's watch. He is PG (Protector General) not AG. His incompetence and failure to do his job may however precipitate civil unrest, which will not be a good thing. If we can overcome the barricades at the voting stations, and we get the chance to govern again, there will be a target-rich environment for prosecution. Just hope we can prioritize our limited resources.
First, yes. I want a nationwide thorough investigation of ACORN complete with hard drive resurrections and dumpster searches with data analysis by forensic accountants. I want protection for whistleblowers and followup on what they have in their stories and in the documents they may provide. Secondly, it is 20,000 pages, not 2,000 pages. It only makes a difference if you are actually carrying it out to the dumpster, or loading it all into .pdf files after doing the job that law enforcement refuses to do. I can only hope this leads to a lot of stuff that actually could be used in court if a conscientious prosecutor could be found. Justice denied leads to justice sought by other means. When the ref ain't callin' fouls, the rules don't matter.
Again, our tax dollars at work. Thanks!
I suspect that companies that closely inspect hard drives will fare well too.
The deicious part of this is the total incompetence with which they prepare for a raid. Even a call from the AG's office (OK, I made that up, but it explains a lot) warning them didn't help. I bet the hard drives are still searchable. Don't hold your breath for the AG TO DO HIS JOB! What is CA paying him for anyway?
"wouldn't it also make it Illegal for a homeless person to dumpster dive for the leftovers of a bakery, or restaurant? " — It is illegal but half eaten biscuits and mashed potatoes aren't covered under Subtitle 21, Title 5 of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
I agree and that's usually a far stretch for me considering previous posts I put on this website defending ACORN. Most of these "smoking gun" documents are a joke and contain information that would be discarded in the trash. The one document that caught my attention was the credit report from "Andre" that was obtained from a company specializing in securing mortgage loans. This appears to be a clear violation of the GLB Act.
The problem I have is how are you going to find a conscientious prosecutor to prosecute on this evidence when the licensed private investigator violated the sanctity of the evidence chain and tainted the evidence by providing it to a third party (biggovdotcom), subsequently breaking the same law himself? Roach is a licensed private investigator and obliged to follow the exact same laws. The question to ask then is why is this evidence on this website when it belongs in the hands of a prosecutor?
It's not a Saul Alinsky rule. I provided a government link to the actual law itself. And besides, didn't Hannah Giles recently give a lecture where she preached the value of Saul Alinsky and his rules for radicalism? Can't beat the Liberals, join them?
Obama hasn't responded yet has he? Why would he? A majority of America could care less about this.
No need for incivility now. This is an adult debate and not 6th grade playground rantings like Nancy's free advertising she just provided me. An opposing point of view is not always considered this "9/11 inside job" paranoid conspiracy theories.
This is not a municipal law:
http://banking.senate.gov/conf/fintl5.pdf
Notice the ".gov" address? Yeah….kind of should tell you something right there.
As a Financial Adviser, you of all people should know exactly what laws have been broken here by all parties involved including ACORN. You had to have taken your Series 7 and Series 66 did you not?
This is the law (and not a code violation):
http://banking.senate.gov/conf/fintl5.pdf
ACORN broke this law! So why is the evidence in the hands of this website when it belongs in the hands of prosecutors? Because the licensed private investigator broke the same law! Why?
And when it comes to "single misleading or false statement(s)", there starting to add up over time causing the court of public opinion to simply not care as in the case of what you're seeing now.
And all paranoid conspiracy theories aside, I'm not an "operative".
1st page refers to Acorns responsibility to protect privacy. IN A DUMPSTER??? weak argument.
Hmmmm let me see, given the circumstances I'll take the US because I wouldn't let a small thing like the law deter the investigation. ( learned that one from Obama and Co, )
To be honest all I had to read was page one and realized nothing you see or hear registers with you. So I read no further.
OK, one at a time: "how are you going to find a conscientious prosecutor to prosecute on this evidence when the licensed private investigator violated the sanctity of the evidence chain…?"
I can only hope the so-called tainted evidence leads to other solid, legally admissible evidence. The cleaning habits of this outfit lead me to believe more stuff is out there.
"why is this evidence on this website when it belongs in the hands of a prosecutor?" That I'm afraid is a symptom. Perhaps the signal that a tipping point has been reached. If prosecution was expected the evidence would have been immediately surrendered. It has been assumed as common knowledge that neither law enforcement nor the courts are available for this subset of alleged misbehavior. However, it is clearly possible that the document dump was in response to a tip-off of the coming raid. I believe that a lack of investigative enthusiasm was anticipated. Obviously, someone foresaw the document dump prior to the raid and was absolutely correct about the tip-off. Again, the perception (my perception, shared by many on this site I believe) is that justice has become unobtainable when ACORN is involved, and the evidence will be destroyed if submitted to authorities. Sad, but I truly believe this is the case.
OK. It's a general liberal rule. As a former, reformed liberal myself, I can attest to the fact that it is common practice when one cannot win one's argument (because one is clearly either wrong or illogical), the next tactic is to name call or ridicule the other side. My theory is that it has to do with a lack of emotional maturity. In other words (I'll use plain language here so you can understand it), liberals act like children when they are on the wrong side of an argument because they are still children emotionally (narciccistic, selfish, feelings of immortality/indestructibility). I used to be like that. Then I grew up and became a conservative.
Well…you're argument, name calling and implied ridicule has nothing to do with my comment. One can assume you chose to grow up and become a Conservative AFTER you wrote this comment?
Yes OLJ…IN A DUMPSTER!!! The document I'm referring to is the credit report fro "Andre" that was obtained from a company that specializes in securing mortgages. This was obviously obtained under the 3rd party lending capacity and therefore falls under the category of Subtitle 21, Title 5 of the GLB Act. In other words…throwing this credit report in a dumpster BROKE THE LAW!!!
It's too bad you chose not to read further. Your pursuit of ignorance eluded you from the truth.
"I can only hope the so-called tainted evidence leads to other solid, legally admissible evidence" — What law enforcement agency or prosecutor would allow any evidence to be kept and posted on a 3rd party website? What law enforcement agency or prosecutor would open an investigation of a crime based on the contributions of a private investigator and than allow the same crime to be committed by the private investigator? All the documents would have been confiscated as evidence. It's safe to assume there really isn't much more available in "smoking gun" documents from this dumpster raid. That misconduct is sure to get a prosecutor disbarred.
"Perhaps the signal that a tipping point has been reached" — All the "tipping points" in the World don't mean squat compared to the Constitution and our established laws. With the exception of the CR for "Andre", this document dump and recovery hasn't really produced squat as far as anything incriminating against ACORN. Most of these documents would be thrown in the trash. Some of these "smoking gun" documents posted on this website can be downloaded from ACORN sites. No big secrets being revealed here.
"justice has become unobtainable when ACORN is involved, and the evidence will be destroyed if submitted to authorities" — I find it difficult to believe that a licensed private investigator who ran for office as a Republican does not have a Rolodex filled with Republican contacts at District Attorney offices.
And just who was selling securities?
Read up on some recent Supreme Court rulings as to the presumption of privacy for discarded documents.
And you're not keeping up if you haven't read why the info is not in the hands of the prosecutors. There is an outstanding offer to turn it all over. AG Moonbeam is still consulting the chicken entrails and throwing bones in order to decide what he is going to do.
The public certainly is watching this. As much as they're watching the Great Global Warming Swindle play out. Both issues have gone viral on the internet and even some MSM outlets have had to pick it up as a result.
"Supreme Court rulings as to the presumption of privacy for discarded documents" don't apply to recognizable non public personal financial data such as the CR for "Andre". That clearly falls under the Gramm Leach Bliley Act. The CR was obtained from a company specializing in securing mortgage loans and was obtained by ACORN as a 3rd party lending agency and discarding this CR was a clear violation of the GLB Act. The licensed private investigator taking this recognizable non public personal financial information and providing it to a 3rd party is also a clear violation of the same act (Page 27 & 28 of Subtitle 21, Title 5).
"There is an outstanding offer to turn it all over." — You have got to be kidding on this right? It's a funny joke but somehow I believe you're serious. And can it be proven that these "turned over" documents actually came from the dumpster? Can it be proven that a licensed private investigator with the necessary credentials didn't download these "turned over" documents off the internet. Can it be proven that these "turned over" documents weren't created in Photoshop? The offer to turn these documents over are coming from a media entrepreneur who runs a series of Conservative biased media sites (I know I know…biased media is only bad if the Left do it). A media entrepreneur with an obvious agenda against ACORN that spans back to the forced resignation of an Attorney General and numerous White House officials. What decent prosecutor is going to pursue a case based on the politicization of evidence that can never be verified as being authentic because a licensed private investigator broke the chain of evidence and gave these documents to a 3rd party?
Since the passing of the Gramm Leach Bliley Act, a Financial Adviser doesn't just deal with securities. Most major brokerage houses now deal with mortgages and mortgage back securities and derivatives such as REITs for example. As a Financial Adviser, the same privacy laws when it comes to maintaining the sanctity of your client's non public financial information apply to you as it does to ACORN and the licensed private investigator. As a Financial Adviser, you're kind of supposed to know this as not only part of the Gramm Leach Bliley Act but as the (revised) Uniform Securities Act of 2002 as well as Blue Sky Laws.
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