Does this Obama Appointee Believe Children’s Vaccines Cause Autism?
by Dana CommandatoreDid you know your recent appointee to the President’s Committee for People with Intellectual Disabilities, Peter Bell of Autism Speaks, has a long history of supporting pseudo-science that can harm children? It’s true; Autism Speaks’ Executive Vice President of Programs and Services supports the widely debunked and incredibly harmful theory that vaccines cause autism.
Many people don’t know that one of the most important people in the Autism Speaks camp is an anti-vaxer. It would be an embarrassment to Autism Speaks if they had to admit that they still hold onto a bogus theory that could potentially kill children. Thank goodness Left Brain/Right Brain’s Kevin Leitch is paying attention.
There is more. In January of 2009, Autism Speaks withdrew its support of the Inter-Agency Autism Coordinating Committee’s (IACC) Strategic Plan for Autism Research when IACC made a decision not to include research objectives connecting vaccines to autism. As a result, Alison Singer, a high-ranking official from Autism Speaks resigned. In an interview with Newsweek, Singer stated:
At some point, you have to say, “This question has been asked and answered and it’s time to move on.” We need to be able to say, “Yes, we are now satisfied that the earth is round.”
Maybe it is wrong to assume that Bell–being the high-level autism advocate that he is–actually is a tinfoil-hat-wearing fool. Perhaps his views have changed since Wakefield has been discredited. Therefore I’d like to ask him a simple question:
Mr. Bell, do you still believe that vaccines cause autism?
While we are waiting for an answer, there are other problems with Peter Bell and Autism Speaks. In their mission statement, Autism Speaks says they are “dedicated to funding global biomedical research into the causes, prevention, treatments, and cure for autism.” Bell’s goal is to eliminate autism; therefore I do not feel he would be concerned with improving the quality of life of people with intellectual disabilities. He would rather see the disability prevented, treated, “cured.”
Why not eliminate autism and other intellectual disabilities, right? I mean, all you hear from parents is how devastating and horrible it is to raise an autistic child. Wrong. There is an entire community of autistic adults, therapists, parents and educators that would rather we focus on their quality of life instead of figuring out a way to prevent them from being born. As a society, our goal should not be to destroy what we don’t understand—especially when it is a human life.
As you can see, there is much more work we need to do to change the conversation. The President, who loves to tout how much more pro-science he is compared to the GOP, needs to reconsider the appointment of Mr. Bell, and parents of autistic children and autistic adults should express their concerns to this Administration.
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Voting liberal/democrat is a intellectual disability!
my vote is for corn syrup or the reworking on guidelines plus additional reporting for possible SSI benefits
I can only speak to the Science. The answer lies somewhere in between. Many children receive vaccines with the accompanying brain inflammation and recover well and go on normally. Other children, possibly with a genetic pre-disposition, receive the vaccine and it turns on a gene or genes and they develop Autism somewhere on the spectrum.
So we need to do both. Look at the etiology, and also the treatment aspects of those children who already have developed autism so that they can have every benefit of every education and medical program available, in order to live productive lives.
Having a vocabulary of 50 words on Monday, and getting a vaccine that day, and waking up on Tuesday, unable to speak, needs to be investigated against other children who have no changes at all in their development post vaccine.
I believe that vaccines should be given in small doses with as much time in between as possible so as not to overwhelm the childs microbiology. Giving 7 vaccines in a couple of shots all at once, is not prudent in my opinion. Space them out.
If the first shot causes a large local reaction of redness and huge swelling; that child needs to be given small does with large intervals.
Giving NO vaccine is also unacceptable. This is not cut and dry. It's multi-factorial.
Here's a handy little primer on the latest "peer reviewed" and "settled science" to go belly-up in the face of unbiased (or if you will, non-political) scientific scrutiny.
This is a complicated topic and if you aren't aware I have a child with an extremely severe form of autism. Just ask Charles Johnson (spit).
On a personal note I am skeptical of the claims that vaccines somehow contribute to autism and the bottom line is a risk assessment, and the vaccines present the least amount of risk. That part seems pretty simple to me.
My real question presented with this post is this; what does the statist get out of this controversy? It would seem to be that state mandated vaccine distribution is a no brainer. Is this a simple case of Obama pushing a plain old dumb-a55 nominee that Obama assumes he will then be able to easily control? Makes sense.
When I saw the phrase "intellectual disability," for some reason I thought of Tim Geithner, whose brilliance knows no bounds.
I too have a child with autism as well.
My concern about this administration will be expressed on election day.
"Autism must be eliminated. Useless eaters report to the death panels."
I would like to see liberalism prevented, treated, “cured.”
I'd like to see your references, because a simple google scholar search "autism vaccine" came up with innumerable studies pointing otherwise, including this one ( http://www.springerlink.com/content/lt22175742t3k... ) that specifically targets post-skill accumulation regression, finding no evidence of regression related to autism. What you stated was the hypothesis behind why some suggested it. Do you have evidence supporting the hypothesis?
another pseudoscientist in the president's maw……
I actually have Asperger's Syndrome, and these anti-vaccince nutjobs make me absolutely livid. The fear of autism is not worth risking the physical health of a child. Many people want to know what causes autism, but some people only want the cause to be somebody rich that they can sue, like pharmaceutical companies. If it turns out that autism is mostly genetic, for example, then these people won't have anyone to be angry at.
Pseudoscientist making REAL laws.
As the father of an autistic son, I'd like to weigh in with something intelligent to say about causes but my wife and I were so overwhelmed with just having to deal with it on a daily basis that we didn't have time for blaming anyone. Despite his affliction he's a great kid of twenty-four, has a job, a driver's license, 2nd degree black-belt Tai Kwan Do, plays computer games and loves to fish and we're blessed to have he and his siblings.
Some points….
Until this is researched properly nobody can know with certainty. I am skeptical of relying exclusively on data from vaccine producers researching the efficacy of their own products. Hardly unbiased. I hope others are doing studies as well.
For now, the only thing we ABSOLUTELY KNOW is that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Everything else is on the table until a significant body of statistical data proves or disproves the claim.
So, that's a no and an attempt to blame industry then. Incidentally, the journal of autism and development is not a vaccine run journal. My point is there is a large body of data, and there is just no data to support the hypothesis.
I am a conservative and I believe the science about vaccines is not settled. This does not mean that I am anti-vaccine and I really don't appreciate other conservatives calling me a flat earther.
Vaccines, our bodies immune system and health in general is extremely complicated. I have read many reports of parents who have successfully helped their autistic children through heavy metal chelation therapy, through a gluten free/casein free diet and through balancing out the gut dysbiosis.
I personally have health problems that have been untreatable through traditional medicine and I have found success through non-traditional means. There is much the scientific community is still learning.
I think the author of this article is doing more harm than good by demonizing those who are trying to find solutions to
autism and using scare-mongering tactics. Just because you question the safety of a vaccine does not mean you are advocating giving up all vaccines, there can be much more balanced approaches- starting by identifying children who may be at risk due to already compromised immune systems and by possibly giving fewer vaccines at one time which can be extremely hard on the body.
Just as it is stupid to think the earth is flat, it is stupid to think that chemicals and solutions we inject into our bodies can have no effect on our overall health. And I'm sorry, but the one study that was done claiming to disprove a link between vaccines and autism seems very weak science indeed. If people really feel that changes happen to their children after having a vaccine, there need to be numerous and thorough studies before the theory is adequately debunked. It is our health we are talking about!
Why cant you sue vaccine companies?
Your study from 2006 only referenced MMR. There are many many other vaccines besides the Measles, Mumps, Rubella triple shot that children are bombarded with all at once or in a very short period of time.
I stated that the autism issue is multi-factorial for a reason. The problem is complex and does not have one etiology. Just like autism has a spectrum, so do the precipitating factors. I'm optimistic that we will do better when we don't have Govt Agencies or vaccine makers doing the studies.
I hate to use huff-po but this is one of many credible summary articles with Physician testimony. Again, I am not anti-vaccine. I am against pushing unnecessary, high dose bombardment of a child's tiny body with such potent antigens in one visit, or in intervals that are too close together that overwhelm the childs microbiology.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/autism-...
For what?
Yep and Agent Orange didn't cause a litany of diseases either…….right!!! Forty years later we see the true picture as Vietnam Vets in outrageous numbers are dying from diabetes and neural disorders…still the chemical companies deny the connection! Who do YOU believe?
Reality, has been shown to have a 35% success rate.
I knew from day one, seeing those patients, that Agent Orange was responsible for those bizarre symptoms!
God bless our Vets, especially our Viet Nam Vets, because of the unfair way that they were treated when they returned from defending our freedoms, by the crazy "Hippies" like Pelosi and Reid.
Oh joy, another anti-vaccine appointee. It's not like medical companies make much money off of vaccines, so if corporate greed is something people blame, it's much more profitable to sell something people have to take more than once every year.
Also, it could, but I just may be stretching it, but…what if we're just actually recognizing many of these afflictions, which is why they appear on the rise? And vaccinations have been going on for some time now.
Pushing vaccines isn't even all that profitable. So if the motivation is greed, then Obama really picked a winner here. And removing vaccines just invites all sorts of trouble.
I agree with you, pnipni. And, like Stomp said, their isn't enough good, reliable data, so why not be cautious until there is . You can still get the vaccines, just not all at once.
vaccinations = scam
soft kill eugenics
—NO DICE—
Read my post again. I take NO side in the matter.
But you do and you need to cite th "large body of data" you claim supports your conclusion.
"Take my word for it" doesn't cut it in science.
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For Harry Tuttle, the author of this article, and others who have commented on this thread, who have the same things in common, this might be of interest to you http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-un-soldiers-brou... as it relates to vaccines, etc.
you're an Edwards voter?
AH! But REMOVING vaccines will allow for the "thinning of the herd". Which is a rather large goal of the globalists, now isn't it?
vaccines are sound, CL, though some have been dangerous (like rotavirus vaccine causing intussuception).
I perceive you're older than I, but not sufficiently to remember scourges like polio and small pox.
Our kids didn't even suffer through chicken pox thanks to the efficacy of vaccines.
just viewed link. Mutating microbes attaining resistance are a massive problem and potentially cataclysmic.
What bothers me most about this autism causation debate is that it takes the most legitimate case against vaccines away. Putting it in the context of autism frames the debate.
We can't even talk about the merits or dangers of vaccines until doctors START documenting cases. Over and over there are cases where, the baby was given a vac, they react within minutes or an hour, they die in a day or so. And the record WILL NOT reflect that the vaccine was even in question for being the trigger. What good are statistics and studies if the paper trail is being cut off before the word "go"?
I could go on for pages like this but I'll wrap this up with one documented fact people seem to be ignoring lately: People with flu shots still get the flu. Children with the whooping cough vaccine are equally as likely to come down with it as children who aren't. Can we take the magical mystique and cult following out of vaccines for just long enough to do some real vigorous science on it?
Also, an average infant in the US gets 60 vaccines before the age of 5, with most of those before the age of 2 (compared with 12 in 1980). Who decided that was such a good idea it must be standard practice?
Tell me, would George Washington or any of his peers back in the day have embraced government being empowered to stick a needle in them, and their children, against their will, complete with authority to punish each person who opted not to go along with being injected?
Fair enough, there are proven benefits, to the individual and to society, when it comes to some injections. So too is it true that detrimental affects exist. And then there is the unsettled in between.
I will point out this actuality for consumption.
Just because something can be shown to be absolutely and perfectly beneficial, good, right and proper (or on the flip side terrible, bad, detrimental or negative) DOES NOT MEAN that government then has the authority to DICTATE it in the form of a mandate or a ban and punish noncompliance.
Individual Liberty is not free and this is a significant cost that goes along with it. The problem is not the vaccination or even the unsettled science regarding them. The problem is that group of people who have come to think that government is empowered to impose mandates on what it considers good and ban what it considers bad.
Government was afforded, delegated, specific powers by enumeration and it has to be limited to only those enumerations. We are on a road to tyranny otherwise.
Thanks for sharing LL. My four year-old son is autistic and we're too overwhelmed, but hopeful.
As the parent of an aspie, it is very interesting to me that a so-called ASD advocacy agency holds to such a piece of idiocy. I vividly recall watching a lecture by the Yale MD in charge of the autism clinic, who stated not one of her patients "suddenly" developed autism at 18 monhts, but the signs had been there all along, just not recognized.
My own son's "signs" that something was "off", were there from the very beginning. His doctors brushed me off when concerns were expressed. Now I know enough to know some of those concerns (i.e. retained primitive grip), were red flags.
IF you have INDISPUTABLE evidence that a particular vaccine does more harm than good then go for it.
I dont believe ANYTHING until I see the evidence for myself and make my OWN determination as to the evidence provided
For instance, I grew up believing margarine was healthier than butter, despite the trans fat A notion backed up by the logic that vegatable fats must be better than animal fats
And, we were all convinced red wine was a health drink, , despite all the other evidence that alcohol is harmful to your liver and brain in all amounts
Many people are convinced that the climate doesn't change unless man does something to cause it
At one time , the entire neuroscience community rallied against one man that claimed that injured brains could in fact repair themselves to full functioning by way of other portions of the undamaged brain, a man who also claimed he could have the blind see with their tongue.
Now don't just point me to who claims what and who has what degree , or where they work ….. Or determinations by authoritative agencies
Show me the evidence , without it , nothing is to be believed
Oh yeah.
Well if you accurately describe his lecture , then he provided you with nothing more than an opinion and a hypothesis that since the children developed the condition then "signs" of it must have existed….."signs" that create themselve For instance, if not paying attention is a "sign" then that sign can be seen in all children in the past not just the children who have the condition. When you look for that sign in children with the condition , you will find it . Finding it provides you with no valid conclusion or greater understanding
And he , and you , miss the possiblity that the notion conditions are brought on with the same cause , or a singlular one, is just as logical as the possilbity that a condition could have mutiple causes
I'm happy to hear that coming from you with your background.
I am an Aspie, and mom to 3 kids, all on the higher end of the Autism spectrum. I have several friends with children who are vaccine-injured. To pooh-pooh concerns is not helpful. I am NOT anti-vax. I do believe that vaccines contribute to the problem. I believe that we push too many, too fast. The current Vax Scehdule calls for 3-5 (or more) vaccines, sometimes in one combined shot, to be injected at once into bitty babies. I believe this can cause an overload of the systems, as this type of exposure isn't natural. I think our current vaccine schedule is too accelerated, and may be triggering dormant issues in many kids.
Side note: Did you know that some vaccines have aborted human fetal cells in them? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10...
Others have Bovine DNA/proteins in them – a friend's daughter is allergic to bovine protein & a vaccine given before they discovered it almost killed her. Point is, vaccines are NOT the safe, anti-sick thing they are promoted to be by our federal Government & the Pharmaceutical industry.
Doesn't the medical establishment take the stance that vaccines are a much better gamble than worrying about Autism? We are at a point when Autism is catching up to the vaccine gamble.
I'm not anti-vax, and I think that most of the increase in autism diagnosis is a result of better screening, in the sense that the kid who is high-functioning autistic today, would have just been "a bit weird " 30 years ago. Having said that, I do think the Government and Pharmaceutical industry downplay side-effects of vaccines and medicine in general. My son had a very sudden and bad case of the flu last year that put him in the hospital for 10 days, and this year when he received his flu shot, a band of his arm about 6" long swelled up twice normal size and was as hard as a rock. A $1000 ED trip and IV antibiotics later (just to be safe) it was most likely a heightened immune response triggered by the previous exposure.
Bad things can and do happen, and the Govt/Industry needs to be more honest with the public . I think Doctors are adverse to discussing the infrequent risks with patients, because having a patient "freak-out" and demand more explanation kind of throws a monkey wrench in their day. Because “Vaccines are Safe” actually translates to “Yeah, about 100 kids in the US will probably die from this, this year, and another 10,000 will have a major health complication, but given the millions of doses given, that’s pretty unlikely to happen to your kid, and it sure beats a flu-pandemic that kills millions, so sign this consent form” I see why they don’t do it, but I think by not highlighting the risks, and explaining why they’re justified they’ve done themselves a disservice. Truncating that message to “Vaccines are safe” gives ammo to the Anti-vax crowd and lets them point to the grand conspiracy. “ Your doctor didn’t tell you this could kill your kid, did they?” “Your doctor is lying to you” et. et… in the absence of science , pseudo-science seems credible.
So wait: the Left is supposed to be the "scientific" and "rational" side of politics (just listen to them, they'll tell you over and over), but the Obama Admin allows an anti-vax crackpot into the government?
LOL!!!
No, we aren't. There is NO evidence of a connection between vaccines and Autism. None, zero, zip, nada.
"I do believe that vaccines contribute to the problem."
On what possible basis? There is no evidence of any kind. Citing "icky" things in vaccines is not evidence. And vaccines were not invented or forced on us by government or the pharamceutical industry.
I have every sympathy for your condition (my best friend from college has two autistic children, one of them severe) but you need to stop looking for some false bogeyman to blame for it.
So you'd rather see all those terrible, lethal diseases come back and kill millions?
Public health is a basic responsibility of government. Always has been.
"Children with the whooping cough vaccine are equally as likely to come down with it as children who aren't."
Lie.
Just more conspiracy crackpottery from a resident idiot.
Yep. NO evidence has been found linking vaccines to autism or to any other health problem. They are, in fact, one of the most miraculous achievements of modern medicine, yet they are being vilified and dangerously underutilized because of the guilt and frustration of autism parents and the paranoia of childish crackpots.
Apples and oranges.
You can. But you'll lose.
" I believe the science about vaccines is not settled. "
Belief is irrelevant to science. What matters is evidence. The evidence in favor of vaccines is overwhelming. The evidence against them is nonexistent.
Congratulations on your success with your son.
" what does the statist get out of this controversy?"
I suspect in this case it has less to do with "statism" and more to do with the fact that a lot of liberals are irrational crackpots ruled by emotion and fantasy rather than reason or reality.
This is going to be a really hard disease to unravel. So many variables and combinations of variables.
And, the research folks have to use there resources (moolah) wisely. I just can't upset with either side at this point. At least with AIDS it was relatively easy to figure out the cause. Autism is a whole different ball game.
BTW, how the heck have you been. … haven't talked to ya in a while. : )
This is going to be a really hard disease to unravel. So many variables and combinations of variables.
And, the research folks have to use there resources (moolah) wisely. I just can't get upset with either side at this point. At least with AIDS it was relatively easy to figure out the cause. Autism is a whole different ball game.
BTW, how the heck have you been. … haven't talked to ya in a while. : )
AutismSpeaks is a far lefty organization that's only interest in Autism is as a category to put people in as another victim class. By focusing on looking for a "cure" in places it is unlikely to occur, they do nothing to actually make our lives better. In fact, the only work I have seen them involved with related to quality of life, is in research into the proper way to indoctrinate us with their Marxist nonsense. The lefties had noticed, quite some time ago that we are damn hard to teach and therefore damn hard to brainwash.
In any case, even though my life has been the pits, I am very thankfully that I managed to escape any lefty trying to "improve the quality" of it.
Anything associated with AutismSpeaks is evil. The organization is nothing but a far left vehicle for corralling us autists into the next great victim class, insuring that our live are given to strengthening the Marxist agenda.
You nailed it.
Don't forget they're used by the government as mind control serums
But really, there were diseases in ages past that completely and utterly ravaged humanity. What saved us from dead, disfigurement, paralysis, and so on was because of vaccines. Who cares about small pox, polio, and plenty of other diseases, vaccines are nothing but pure evil!
What you are talking about is not relevant. The signs are significant deviations from normal. For there to be a normal, normal children have to be part of the data set. The development of infants has been well characterized. My parents were concerned because I was not talking when I should have been, not even trying. they told the doctor. The doctor said not to worry. This was before my vaccination!
TODAY OUR VETS ARE BEING POISONED BY THE USE OF du WEAPONS.
dam government documents…. didn't anyone tell these Sceintists that the intRAnet troll say it is a conspiracy….
(NaturalNews) The nation of Finland has now openly admitted that the swine flu vaccine “conclusively” causes narcolepsy, a chronic nervous system disorder that makes people uncontrollably fall asleep.
The Finnish government, in acknowledging this link, says it will pay for “lifetime medical care” for 79 children who have been irreparably damaged by the swine flu vaccine.
http://www.naturalnews.com/033816_swine_flu_vacci...
I encourage you to take your family down to the nearest eugenics office and get your shots……
the boogey man will kill you long before the government releases the super flu they are cooking up…..
Even if the bunk were true, they only ever credited vaccines with at most 700 autistic children a year. That number is to low to worry about.
Because they use their enormous amounts of money to bribe Congress – it is called "capitalism."
Now it is Depleted Uranium.
Questioning vaccine safety is like denying the Holocaust or Global Warming. The official story released by those with a clear agenda is never to be questioned or the terrorists have won.
"We are at a point when Autism is catching up to the vaccine gamble."
No we are not. Autism affects reportedly 1 in 10,000 children. The vaccines are effective with minimal side effects to some extremely high percentage (I am not a physician so I do not have exact figures available to me). It isn't in the same ballpark, it's not even in the same city.
This is my point, were I to go back in time before we had my childs diagnosis and replay the question again 'to vaccinate or not', I would surely take the safe and recommended route, the vaccination.
This decision may be different of course were there some conclusive proof that the vaccination (or the preservative or whatever) is causal; there is none.
Do you mean "Why cant you sue vaccine companies without having specific and credible scientific evidence that their product irreparably harmed your child?" I would ask, who said you cannot?
Do you *have* this evidence? Do tell.
Sorry you lose moron, bribing anyone, let alone congress, is not capitalism.
You must be a product of the public school system, huh?
Hmnn, a fair question CL, given a potential super strain of Cholera, what would you do, or what would you do for your children? Take your chances with the bug, or take a vaccine that has been taken by thousands over the years and to side effect cases so small as to be almost immeasurable.
I do not support the Appointment of Peter Bell for many reasons including his relationship (past and present) with Cure Autism Now. I also think the appointment gives Autism Speaks free advertising making it more difficult for Adults on the Spectrum to feel equal and it makes it more challenging for parents to realize that Autism is not the end of their child's future or their family. I would have preferred that the 21 Citizens that were appointed to the Committee to have been Adults with Intellectual Disabilities, Parents, Siblings, Educators and Caregivers and not anyone on a Corporate Level. The article was well written.
I have a child who was diagnosed as "mildly autistic" by a neurologist. Her counselor described her as "Aspergery." A good friend who is a speech pathologist/audiologist describes my daughter as having Non Verbal Language Disorder. I have dubbed as my child as residing in "Mild Autism No Man's Land." She did not have language delays yet many of the social cue issues of a child with Asperger's. Her 504Plan reads like a laundry list: mild autism, ADHD, perceived dyslexia and auditory weakness. The last two are utilized because my child does not meet the criteria for dyslexia or auditory processing, but she displays many of the same weaknesses. What a challenge! I share this information because so much attention is paid to the children who are moderate to severe on the austism spectrum with less attention toward those children who have Asperger's or are high on the autism spectrum. I applaud those who have made it to adulthood with Asperger's and are functioning productively. As a parent, I know too well the challenges you have likely faced.
Unless it's your child.
Sorry you lose moron, bribing anyone, let alone congress, is not capitalism.
Of course it is.
Yes. I recommend that you NOT get any vaccines.
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscien...
Vaccine injury compensation for Hannah Poling vaccine caused autism
Been good sisty. thanks. Been a little too busy. I try to get on here as much as I can. I'm furious about this treasonous Admin. and the Obama/Holder attacks on America. Those two traitors need to be prosecuted. – Take care.
I like Mg1520s post and link! The best solid info yet! You'll enjoy it! We've got a new friend.
Thank you so much for that great link Mg1520! I hope everyone here reads it! We have to raise awareness of the situation and use common sense and science to protect ourselves and the innocent children. Glad you're here posting.
Agreed! You will like this link from Mg1520
http://www.naturalnews.com/031056_autism_vaccines....
It's disgusting.
Because most of the time its government that forces children to take vaccines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo
Pretty much explains it. Even IF there is a % chance of getting Autism since NO DRUG IS 100% safe, the odds on contracting all the diseases vaccines prevent is astronomically higher.
Because progressivism = ball and chain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo
Penn and Teller have it right. Even IF vaccines cause autism in one out of every 110 children on average the devastation of all the other diseases vaccines prevent greatly out weight autism.
Its like the people who object to DDT cause someone fed a rate 10 million times the dosage of DDT that anyone would ever get exposed to and the rat's children had birth defects. So which African would you want to be, the one who dies of Malaria at over 100,000 africans a year or the the African who has a 1 in 10 million chance of having a child with a birth defect?
I am an RN, and parents are becoming increasingly concerned about vaccinations given to their newborns and young children. Most schools are now requiring vaccines by law. Many Conservatives should embrace this new finding, as this is Big Government interfering with our health care once again; demanding us to vaccinate our children or not let them attend school. Many at my synagogue are also not vaccinating their children, as they are unsure of what is truly in these vaccines.
Bad argument dude. It's not only a fail, but a double fail.
Belief (and correction of that belief by experimentation) is critical to the scientific method.
And since you are not doing the actual hard science yourself, you will have to "believe" the word of Dr. Poul Thorsen of the CDC who showed that mercury based vaccines are safe…..
Wait! The same Dr. Thorsen who not only defrauded the CDC of two million dollars, but also published fraudulent studies of the safety of vaccines?
It's also interesting to note the "non-existent evidence" in the form of two independent studies that support Dr. Wakefield's UK study linking the MMR triple vaccine with bowel disease and autism.
Are some vaccines helpful? Possible
Are some vaccines shown to be potential harmful? Yes (MMR and others)
Are some vaccines shown to be generally ineffective? Yes (Flu and HPV)
Chuck,
You can't sue vaccine companies, because of collusion between Pharm and Government (this is economic fascism and NOT capitalism) where Government mandates vaccines (daycare, public schools, etc) and Pharm reaps the profit.
There is a US Federal "vaccine court" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court that people can take their claim to.
As someone who had regressed after their MMR vaccine, I find your statement brutish and rude.
No guilt and no paranoia here. Just frustration with your mindset.
There is documented pro-vaccine fraud by Dr. Poul Thorsen that the CDC uses.
There are at least two new studies published verifying Dr. Wakefield study linking the MMR triple vaccine with bowel disease and autism.
This is the second occurrence that you stated "there is no evidence" against vaccines. You repeating it does not make it true.
Sincerely,
A.M.
Several good points!
I concur that autism shouldn't frame the vaccine debate, because that would ignore other illnesses that people are reporting. (DPT in the UK, etc)
Narrowing this debate would make it more political and possibly slow the creation of safer vaccines and non-vaccine alternatives.
Can you please source your statement about the whooping cough vaccine?
The only thing I found was and article on comparing deaths in 2000 from Whooping Cough-Pertussis (17) and deaths from the actual DTaP vaccine (57). http://www.vaccinationnews.com/scandals/July_26_0...
Several good points!
I concur that autism shouldn't frame the vaccine debate, because that would ignore other illnesses that people are reporting. (DPT in the UK, etc)
Narrowing this debate would make it more political and possibly slow the creation of safer vaccines and non-vaccine alternatives.
Can you please source your statement about the whooping cough vaccine?
The only thing I found was and article on comparing deaths in 2000 from Whooping Cough-Pertussis (17) and deaths from the actual DTaP vaccine (57). http://www.vaccinationnews.com/scandals/July_26_0...
When I read up on the history of vaccines, I was astonished to learn that vaccinations were not the cure-all. The number of deaths from various diseases were dropping before vaccinations occurred.
Here's one article "Vaccines did not save us", which I just found.
"The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food
and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living
conditions also contribute." – https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
They seem to be adequately sourced.
As to HOR_Emperor, how shall I answer your Rhetorical question?
If Government is responsible for health, then the argument can be made that Government needs to responsible for healthcare, so your argument leads right to Obamacare. Not only will they tell you what vaccinations to take, they will also let you know when you're not deemed worthy of their care and left to die.
See how easy it is to abdicate YOUR responsibility for YOUR life and health?
I want safe vaccines, alternative non-vaccine treatments, and the (God-given) liberty to opt out.
Have your found any Autism organizations that are not like that?
I had a mild regression after my MMR and have had a lifetime of figuring out my brain's wiring. I've only had a taste of what you are going through.
Dude. Autism is a bitter brew, so God bless you in your struggles.
This article says that vaccines are now more profitable, both in the development of new vaccines that are not subject to a price cap and in more markets worldwide.
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2008/02/04/hlsa0...
I see how the flu and HPV vaccines have been marketed like all the other drugs in both print and electronic media.
This is the third time in these threads you say there is no evidence.
I will calmly tell you that you are incorrect again.
There is documented pro-vaccine fraud by Dr. Poul Thorsen that the CDC uses.
There are at least two new studies published verifying Dr. Wakefield study linking the MMR triple vaccine with bowel disease and autism.
Another icky thing is that is still in some vaccines is Mercury – http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-06/ns...
I support safer vaccines, non-vaccine treatments, and the right to opt out.
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