‘Access to Guns,’ Not Jihad, to Blame for Ft. Hood, Says Noted Islamic Scholar
by Charles C. JohnsonImam Zaid Shakir came to speak at my school, Claremont McKenna, on December 9th to respond to the “tragedy of Ft. Hood.” Rather than respond to the massacre of American servicemen, Shakir spent the evening indicting the United States – saying “we were born in genocide.” The reason for the Ft. Hood Massacre, according to Shakir? Not jihad or Islamic fundamentalism, but the “pervasiveness of violence in our society” and because of Americans’ “easy access to guns.”
Zaid Shakir – Final from The Claremont Conservative on Vimeo.
For those wondering who Mr. Shakir is, he’s the go-to expert on Islamic issues for the mainstream media. The New York Times describes him as a “leading intellectual light,” while rap scholar, Cornel West says “he is one of the towering principle [sic] voices not only in contemporary Islam, but in American society,” according to this biography. Most recently, he was described by John Esposito as one of the “500 Most Influential Muslims.”
After comparing the massacres at Ft. Hood by Major Nidal Hassan to the Columbine killers and Maurice Clemmons, of Mike Huckabee pardon fame, Shakir said that the violence we have seen was not a “Muslim problem,” but a problem for everyone. You never quite know when someone will “snap.” [The following is extracted from a transcript from audio I took of the public lecture at my college.]
There is not a Muslim problem. Especially based on the number of Muslims who have done this particular act. It’s not a Korean problem because the kid in Virginia tech was a Korean American. It’s not a white American problem because the kids in Columbine or several other places were white Americans. That’s not the common denominator, race is not the common denominator, religion is not the common denominator, gender–maybe, I would say they should just chill out. What is the common denominator. The common denominator is easy access to guns. The common denominator is that there are more guns in America than there are human beings. There are more guns in America than human beings, and they are easily had. And if someone tries to limit their accessibility, they’re going to be challenged by the NRA, the National Rifle Association–one of the most powerful lobbies in this country. That’s the common denominator. So if we are serious as a society about stopping this violence, it doesn’t behoove us to demonize Muslims. We’re here to talk about Muslims, I’m not trying to dodge that, but if behooves us to make it far, far, far more difficult for people to get their hands on a gun. And if we’re not willing to do that, it’s easy to go blame the Muslims. That’s easy and that’s why so many people do–it’s a national sport. Vilify the Muslims, they’re weak, they can’t fight back.
Of course left unsaid is why we should ban guns on a military base. Shouldn’t Major Hassan, a U.S. Army officer, be carrying a gun on such a military base? And what of the quick thinking of the law enforcement personnel on the scene who were well armed?
But “the violence that permeates our society spills over to other shores,” Zaid said. To prove his point, Shakir totally misrepresented history, claiming for instance that “the last time any Muslim country encroached upon a Christian country” was “300 years ago, the second Ottoman siege of Vienna,” and utterly ignoring the Armenian genocide or the civil war in Lebanon, to name just two quick examples.
He claimed, among other things that the American invasion and occupation was to blame for the hostility between Shiites and Sunnis – ignoring that the Battle of Karbala between Sunnis and Shiites, occurred in Iraq some centuries ago. And while violence between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq was rare before 1991, that was only because Saddam Hussein’s Sunni-dominated Baath party kept its hands tightly on the reigns of power.
In addition, Zaid referenced the infiltration by the FBI of a Muslim mosque in Irvine, CA – trying to “whip up people.” He advised Muslims to resist those “agent provocateurs” “infiltrating our community and our mosques, try to provoke us to harm our fellow citizens in any way,” but left out that the FBI uncovered a plot to bomb buildings and arrested one man, Ahmadullah Niaza, for concealing his connections to al-Qaeda on naturalization papers. Maybe the reason the FBI infiltrated the Irvine mosques was their jihadi connections?
But this narrative of being infiltrated fit in with his view that Muslims are the victims of an increasingly hateful American society. Incredibly and without evidence, he said, that if you “turn on the radio, there are people actually saying, ‘Go kill some Muslims. One of them killed some of us, go kill, you see a Muslim, just shoot him.’ On the radio!”
He continued,
You can say things about Muslims you can’t say about any other group. [mimicking someone with objections ]“Oh, that’s not true.” You can’t go on the radio, public air space, regulated by the Federal Communications Commission, and say “We should go out and kill group A, group B, group C.” You can say it to Muslims, no one will say anything. No one will say anything. You could print it, no one will say anything. Muslims are the enemy after all. So Muslims who are just minding their business, trying to make a good life, raise their children, go to work every day and hear that? What should you do? Well (inaudible), you should patiently persevere in doing the good things you are doing.
It’s an interesting narrative, but this “nation born in genocide,” didn’t go after Muslims after Fort Hood, despite the articles fearing a “backlash.” Maybe, just maybe, the land of the free is a good place for Muslims, after all, notwithstanding Shakir’s attempts to deflect the very real threat of Muslim violence against America.
But don’t take my word for it. Listen to Imam Shakir in his own words in the video above or read the transcript below.





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Right, so a Major in the US Army shouldn't have access to guns. That would solve everything.
Of course, let's get right on this solution!
What an idiot.
Access to exploding panties was also responsible to the Christmas Day bomber, as well.
Remember the movie "Mars Attacks"? "We come in peace."
Yeah, all around the world. Hossschitt.
What a moron!
Political Correctness is to blame for the shooting. How is it that this guy gets away with proselytizing to shoulders but ABC points out AR15 gun sights that have bible VS embedded in the model number.
Dude is an IDIOT!!!!
I LOVE MY GUNS!!! I LOVE MY SIG SAUER!!! I AM A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER!!!
I LOVE MY 2nd Amendment rights!!!
Aaahh its all coming so clear now thanks to the good Imam.
It was the handguns that were screaming "Allahu Akbar" not the Islamojag…
He was merely holding the guns. The triggers were pulling themselves… How silly of us not to understand this earlier.
This guy Imam Zaid Shakir is an idiot at best but more likely dangerous, pure and simple.
I ask you to send this out to every gun owner on your email list.
In case you're NOT ticked off about something, just watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU
I'll keep my rebuttal of this Islamofascist pig's blamestorming session down to 4 words:
Nick Berg
Daniel Pearl
noted by whom ???? we guard our freedom with guns…………….and use your mosques for target practice
Shakir – the same Muslim who advises terror-linked CAIR, and who was recorded on tape telling Muslims that attacking Fort Bragg (North Carolina) is permitted…
“Islam doesn’t permit us to hijack airplanes filled with civilian people,” Shakir once told a Muslim audience. However, “If you hijack an airplane filled with the 82nd Airborne, that’s something else.”
The 82nd Airborne Division’s elite paratroopers fly out of Fort Bragg, N.C., which is part of North Carolina state Sen. Larry Shaw’s district. Shaw is CAIR’s new chairman.
The recording of the lecture, which Shakir gave earlier this decade to a Muslim audience in the San Francisco Bay area
I guess, then, that we need to stop Muslims from having guns? I would hope that would include the Head Nanny What's In Charge…
They can have my guns.. only after I give them the bullets first
Also the guy behind the first accredited Muslim university in the US
Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula number two Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri called for attacks against US interests "everywhere," in an audio message released Monday.
"American and Crusader interests are everywhere and their agents are moving everywhere," Shahri said. "Attack them and eliminate as many enemies as you can."
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Attack US interests Everywhere (including US)!
So now is the time for everyone (including military) to disarm?
Right!
Push your agenda elsewhere Imam Zaid Shakir, how about in the Middle East.
Shakir said what…????
“the last time any Muslim country encroached upon a Christian country” was “300 years ago, the second Ottoman siege of Vienna,”
I suppose you can not consider what happened on September 11, 2001 as an encroachment upon a Cristian country.
Damn that separation of church and state thing, I knew it would come back to bite in the ass one day.
Besides Shaky Shakir is making his case as result of to many handguns in our society and not to many airplanes.
Anyway not to change the subject but…….
WHAT THE F__K IS THIS S.O.B. DOING SPEAKING ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS.
This PUTZ must miss the news from the Gaza strip of Iraq. Another academic with all the PC ideas, It's not your fault it's those darn guns that are killing people. If we take away all the guns then everthing will be OK.
Remember "Those who beat their swords into plow shears will plow for those who didn't". The GOVT. will protect you!
911 = GOVT. dial a prayer
Gun control is a two hand grip and your finger off the trigger until you are on target.
I suppose if the people of Iran had some 2nd amendment rights, those protesters wouldn't be shot down in the streets or dragged from there homes……….This man ,muslim or not can freaking kiss it where the sun don't shine………………
Here we go again… building political straw men and they taking them down. Some whackjob says something stupid so you build him up into something he isn't, like a spokesperson for liberals or American Muslims or gun control advocates. He spoke only for himself, and no one ever listened to him until you made him the issue.
Then all you have to do is sit back and watch the racist knuckleheads take it from there…. excellent post. Or should I say, "Mission Accomplished".
The New York Times describes him as a “leading intellectual light.”
Cornel West says “he is one of the towering principle [sic] voices not only in contemporary Islam, but in American society.”
He is described by John Esposito as one of the “500 Most Influential Muslims.”
The Progressives love him, and therefore Zaid Shakir is bad for America.
Why in the world would anyone listen to this idiot? I hereby confer on him his Jihadi title: "The Shanker-Canker". His surname: Shakir is an affront to me for many reasons and my deeply held faith (isn't that the excuse these muslim nut jobs always give…good for the goose…good for the gander) and to continue: he is an affront to me and all God fearing peoples because his given name is too close to Shakir-a. Shakira is a hot latin dancer from Columbia and this guy is just a slimmed down love child looking like the unholy spawn of Henry Waxman & Ron Jeremy. I cannot allow this affront to continue he must be renamed to: "The Shanker-canker".
Sorry I have to go now…I need to buy more guns….Oh yeah thanks Eric HJolder for making sure that gun and ammo prices have "shot" up since you and your Jihadi buddies started this rabid gun control agenda.
Well said. I feel the same way.
Amen
"Law Enforcement" will be wearing body armor and using SWAT tactics. They'll be glad to take your bullets before you even have a chance to fire them. And with this post, you probably should expect them to start shooting before starting entry or announcing who they are. Not that that's much different from their usual modus operandi anyway. And if you're foolish enough to belong to a group that opposes what's being done to this country, expect that it has already been infiltrated and the group's actions and discussions are regularly being reported to the FBI. The stench is overwhelming.
I refer you to the post from DontTreadOnMe, right below this one.
what a Pogue f**k….yeah how typical – to blame an inanimate object for your insane death cults' (oops I mean religion) blood worshiping rites. Go f*#k yourself jihaddy. It would be completely laughable if the American "media" didn't give these nut-jobs air time and allow them to wrap themselves in mantles of pseudo-legitimacy. You can come and try to take my guns – you'll get them hot and empty. Oh well at least that dirtbag Murtha has exited the stage.
Muslims are allowed to lie to Kufers.
If you want to learn about Islam read about Mohammad's life. Read about the thousands of people he killed, raped and robed.
Dude is a taqiyah artist (a liar who promotes the spread of Islam.) How many useful idiots out there will believe him though?
a useful idiot.
you need to be disarmed before sharia can take over.
Charles, WND has an article about Zaid Shakir entitled "CAIR speaker to Muslims: OK to attack Fort Bragg – Exhorts Islamic faithful to target planes carrying '82nd Airborne"
A real eye-opener.
Link: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=115687
"Vilify the Muslims, they’re weak, they can’t fight back."
BS. Almost everyone cowers for fear of 'offending the Muslims'. The ACLU is ready to demand airports install footbaths for Muslims. Can't publish Muhammad cartoons for fear of offending Muslims.
Why was this guy not booed away from the podium?
How was it that he was not ridiculed and his every "point" challenged"? How did he get away with spouting these lies?
Maybe some Slim Whitman will make their brains explode, too.
If only.
Dude is an IDIOT!!!!
Better go buy all the GUNS and AMMO you can! THE GUN BAN WILL BE COMING NEXT!
Yeah — yeah that's it !! We got to stop allowing the military to have guns !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(do I really need a Sarc tag for this — I think not)
Wow, Zaid Shakir had some good valid points. I thought of another generalization, and that is Postal Workers. A few of them have snapped, but all of them get broad stroked as loons.
Nut cases should be looked as what they are – nut cases. As with Timothy McVeigh who met with Terry Nichols in 1988 at Fort Benning and later planned the Oklahoma City Bombing.
Somehow I'm thinking a Muslim is not exactly an impartial observer when it comes to Americans having guns (i.e. being able to defend ourselves). An unarmed American population would be a lot easier to terrorize and eventually conquer – now wouldn't we? Just like the Jewish people were in Hitler's Germany.
And exactly HOW is the USA MORE violent than Muslim countries????
This is sick! And after reading this, because I am, afterall, an innately violent American, I can think of at least one really good use for a gun!
old daley in chicago said the same thing. so i guess we need to arm out fighting men with spit balls and rubber bands. notice they never blame the radical muslim who pulled the trigger.
I am so ashamed of owning a gun. I'd rather have a bazooka. /s
Does he work for the UN??
remember they hide weapons in their mosques, and shuttle around terrorists in ambulances. nothing says coward like a terrorist who hides behind women and children.
I have no problem with this fellow trying to take my guns. So long as he does it personally.
What in the hell are we doing wrong that this nutcase isn't hiding under his porch or in his basement?
Who taught him this gall & bravado, some community organizer? Who invited him to speak at this school?
Who showed up to listen to this drivel? Was a counterbalancing speaker invited as well? This is
insane. Are we going to sit back & let this happen with no protest, in much the same manner we let the
progressives take over the academy. If so in 25 yrs Muslims will be 90% of the tenured profs. We wonder
today how the bozo was elected, in 30 yrs we'll be living under sharia law. By the way I am not implying the
Pres is a muslim. What could this worm possibly have to say that our university age young people need to hear?
BTW, Guns are not that easy to get (unless you are a criminal and buy them off the street)!
If this guy is considered the "go to guy" for the lame stream media and for those wonderful law abiding rappers then it is obvious he is an enemy of the United States and anything he says may as well be from Bin Laden himself. These are the people our media embrace, enemies of the US, so we can dismiss anything this guy has to say just as we've learned to ignore our propagandist media.
Just what we need a child raping, woman abusing, religions of blown to pieces half wit telling american kids where are country went wrong.
The majority of the middle east and persia should be flushed down the toilet of history, no sane person would miss it.
The Liberals Muslim poster boy.. they are so in league with our enemies…and this is a blantant example of it. Disgusting and shows how sick these leftists whacks really are.
People who fear your guns are dangerous. Simple as that.
Idiot, it's the PROGRESSIVE idiots building him up. Will you please work on your reading comprehension for the love of God?
mikatollah is well -known as an intellectual lightweight around here.
So we are supposed to disarm the military? Hmm hmm hmm. Where have we heard that before. Oh, yes. The USS Cole personnel had no bullets in their guns. Thank you BJ Clinton.
Since the Muslim hordes began taking over Europe in the 700, they have used the sword. Now they also have the bombs and the guns. Their goal is to kill everyone who is not a Muslim. It's their religious belief.
Danny Pearl was decapitated for his religions beliefs which were contrary to those of the "religion of pieces."
A noted Muslim scholar noted that while not all Muslims are terrorists, it was a sad thing that most terrorists are Muslims.
If this dude were a Christian we certainly would be blaming his religion for the murders. It's the way Christophobes view the world. It's all about religion to the Mohammedans. All a pickpocket sees is pockets.
here we go AAAAGAIN the white man and his society are to blame…..well here's some more B.S….if zaid shakir is a scholar, i'm a one legged blind nba star.
Zaid Shakir said it was access to guns not jihad that caused the Fort Hood massacre. If he truly believes that he is a FOOL, but I believe he is trying to divert our attention from the fact that Islam is at war with America. Nidal Hassan was a Islamic jihadis. BTW Mayor Daley said the same thing being PC and blaming guns.Just remember this religion believes and condones HONOR KILLINGS, in which they kill by many means besides guns. The American people also must remember, the radical Muslims believe Americans are infidels; and the infidels will have to convert to Islam, be enslaved or killed. So, beware of the “Trojan Horse,” Osama bin Laden and the Muslim Brotherhood called for a “Civilization-Jihadist Process,” in which they would destroy the Western civilization from within. So are Muslims infiltrating America to destroy it from within? We must remain vigilante.
Gee, don't hold back or anything…
No it's not. It's the ones like you who would like this guy to be built up. I stand by my post.
This is exactly why I have weapons. The people who tell you not to own one are the people who are going to shoot you when your not looking (wives & parents aside sometimes). Our enemies are working to kill us now. They have access to billions of weapons. There are around 10 in Afghanistan per person in the country. That is the time when our country is all out attacked. Part of the reason we don't have invasions on our soil is due to the fact that any invading force (Communists, terrorists etc…) knows they would have to deal with our military & our people who are armed. That is why the communist/liberal agenda has been pushing this ban for years. If they can remove our way to defend ourselves then we are powerless. It's not just an outside invasion as the reason to have guns. It's also to make sure the governement doesn't get too big for their britches & we need to give them a gut check.
Washingtons DC's ridiculous prohibitive gun laws were overturned by the supreme court and the murder rate has since plunged, now the criminals know people are armed and they arent the only ones with guns. The ft. hood a-hole used his gun in a gun free area, thats what the cowards do they go where they best think no-one is armed, just like the Va tech shooter did, And Obama wants us to give up our nukes, he thinks our enimies will too, Liberal idiots!
dont bring words to a gunfight ya dumb shi#
Shakir is absolutely right–Muslims shouldn't be allowed in the U.S. military.
Gee, if only there were some nice MUSLIM countries, so they wouldn't come HERE. They could live with their own kind, under any ridiculous men-wearing-dresses-and-funny-head-gear laws they want to live by, and they could LEAVE US ALONE.
Why do so many Americans believe in this kind of feces? Why do we listen to them? These people kill with explosives that target children and other innocent people. Of course if we have no guns, their plan to take over the world will be accelerated. With the muslim in the US White House, we will just get more and more of this kind of stuff. I have guns, they have NEVER gone out to kill or harm anyone!! They just stay in their place – until a person comes along to use one. Why do we keep blaming "guns" when it's Religion that has killed more people than anything else with the use of viiolence.
Know your role Troll…!
Moron.
You want to see why Americans have guns? Bring your bulls**t style of fighting here and watch what happens.
The 2nd amendment is to protect Americans from thugs like you who have only one goal in live, to destroy anyone who opposes you.
Welcome to America where even though we don't like it, we allow you to voice your opinion, it's called "FREEDOM OF SPEECH".
In your country, you would be dragged off to some unnamed spot and executed without prejudice. Some people would wonder where you went, most wouldn't care.
Aren't you glad you can come to America and speak your voice against those who allow you to do so?
I bet you feel good about yourself don't you…
IMHO, you're a moron and a hyprocrite
Again, the same old liberal / socialist canard of blaming the gun – not the defect holding, pointing, and using it.
Now coming from an Islamic Scholar who claims that it's not jihad or Islamic fundamentalism, but the “pervasiveness of violence in our society” and because of Americans’ “easy access to guns.” This same religion that touts rivers of honey and 72 virgins, uses women and children as human hand grenades, a relgion in countries where there are no gun laws – Somalia, Yemin, Gaza, Jordan; and proudly posts pictures of small children in jihad dress carrying RPGs and AK-47s.
What idiot invited him to your school, and why didn't you all get up and walk out on this propagandist.
Believe unicorns and griffins are fighting a holy war over hot cocoa, for all I care.
You're being quite generous, don't you think…? lol
Actually, mosques are and were excluded as targets, under the ROE, even under President Bush.
Two points
1. Technically unless you are qualifying, are an MP, or doing some other various form of training you are not carrying an issued weapon stateside. Just wanted to clear that up. I don't think access to guns was the issue but that's not to say that Maj. Jihad should have been carrying a weapon stateside.
2. Sunnis and Shiites hate eachother going back to a religious debate on whether Mohammed told Muslims to follow his son after he died or not. I was in Iraq…their hatred for one another as NOTHING to do with Americans.
Generous AND polite.
mik says conservatives WANT to build this guy up into something legitimate, but he provides NO quotes from conservtives to back it up, and insists that the simple fact that we're talking about him proves that we think he has some kind of credibility. Meanwhile, the leftie usuals fawn in sourceable print and mik misses the point altogether.
You voted for Obama admit it
Yeah, well…What can you honestly expect out of someone who consistently posts inflammatory rhetoric, just for the conflict, day after day. He's either a sick sort of sadist, or a complete moron. I'll let you be the judge of that one…I already have my opinion. lol
This is part of the Taqiyya to distract and confuse "the enemy" which is us. Anyone who seriously believes that Nidal Hasan's attack was not Islamic Jihad is in complete denial, committing willful blindness.
"What all these muslim mouth pieces fail to remember is that Americans can READ and know history". We know that the koran says it's "ok" to lie, so no muslim can be trusted! The koran also says make no friends of Christians and their book says to kill the Jews. So, by following your religion you have no defense if American Christians, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Mormans, or any other religion other than islam would rather you exercise one freedom you have here and leave. I understand Mecca is quite nice this time of year.
Further, Americans now have to go through rediculous security measures to board airplanes in this country because of islam where islam single handedly made flying miserable worldwide. For that alone you jerks should never be allowed on any public transportation.
We bombed Hiroshema and Nagasaki because the Japanese high command refused to surrender and a simple cost analisis of American lives as opposed to Japanaese lives (after the Battan death march and surprise attack on Hawaii) the decision was correctly made to save American lives.
May I commend your taste. Sig Sauer is an excellent brand. For self-defense, it's hard to beat 45ACP, if you want to stick to commonly available ammo. I own a P245 with which I will never part. I hope to get its full-size brother, a P220, before too long.
I know some people express concern over recoil with 45ACP, but it is surprisingly gentle for the wallop it can deliver. It's slow, and consequently has less sharp recoil than even 40SW, IMHO.
WOW so then access to bombs not Islam leads to terrorism right?
Availability of gun is the problem. Now that's strange. This Jew is fairly well-armed, and the sum total of people killed using my arsenal is less than the number of people by Teddy Kennedy's car.
Maybe it the value (or lack of value) placed on human life in the soul, which guides the brain, which guides the trigger finger, of the wielder of the weapon which is the problem.
I have the P229! It kicks major ASS!!
Getting a P239 2nd gen two tone in about 6 weeks!
This guy is crazy.
Another noted islamic apologist. Access to bombs is the problem islamic with terrorists I suppose.
I think the Columbine massacre is an accurate analogy. Another would be the Oklahoma City Bombing. In both these instances, these people were white supremacists. But we don't go around saying that "whiteness" or whatever is to blame for these acts of terrorism. Some may even find it peculiar to call the Columbine kids and Timothy McVeigh "terrorists" despite the fact that they, by definition, were. What Shakir misses is that extremist ideology IS to blame in all of these instances, including Ft. Hood.
Shakir seems so preoccupied with venerating ALL Muslims that he misses a crucial point: violent extremism exists in ALL communities, whether they be white, black, latino, conservative, Christian or Muslim and that people should take a strong stand against anyone who espouses these ideologies in their community. Take the violent rhetoric of people at the fringe of the Tea Party movement or Bachmann and Palin throwing around the word "revolution" like that does not imply violence. Yet we see not one Tea Partier step up and say "hold on…this kind of language and rhetoric is dangerous and wrong."
What Shakir instead should be saying is that our militarized society creates a climate in which some people feel that violence is an appropriate and justified way to defend or exact their ideology. Shakir's statement "we were born in genocide" gets at this, but his point was lost on Johnson. What he is saying is that since our country was founded on violence that people justified as "right" (slavery and american apartheid i.e segregation) and violence was central to America's economic and political expansion into Native American territory, Latin America and now (many people feel) the Middle East, a historical precedent has been set that legitimates violent responses to these actions…which in turn legitimates violent responses to the violent responses…which is presumably "in defense" of a nation that was founded in violence that people have forgotten about or trivialize. But it is precisely this violence that many Americans pretend never happened or wasn't that big of a deal that extremists use to justify their violence. From this view, you can see how violence becomes a vicious cycle and why many people believe it is an inevitable result of a country that was founded on and perpetuated through violence.
I get it. The Major was influenced to do his dastardly deed by his hatred of guns (inspired by his jihadist Islamic belief system)? Oh wait, a person in the military does not have access to guns. He does? Er, ah … What is this nincompoop blathering about? He won't convince many other than himself and extreme leftists, who don't need "convincing."
The Major was motivated by his Islamic faith. He was not a renegade since his allegiance and true devotion was and is to Islam. Unfortunately, this enemy of civilization and civilized values was influenced by a primitive belief system that mandates that he do acts in its behalf that are antithetical to those among whom he sought to live. Since he could no longer contain himself, he acted based on advice from Islamic clerics.
The Major is not at fault. It is we who need to tighten our defenses and not allow these moles to penetrate our society to do their antagonistic deeds. The Major was quite forthright in declaring his allegiance. We chose to ignore his statements. We are at fault. The Major is a true servant of Allah and a noble Islamic believer albeit an enemy of civilized peoples in the civilized world. The Islamic Major acted consistent to and in pursuit of his principles requiring subjugation of non-Islamics. It is our obligation as a rational society to expedite the Majors' transition into Paradise, where his now impaired body will regain its abilities and he can service the 72 houris, who will be provided to him. Insh'allah.
Since I am a compassionate person, I hope for the sake of the Major, he can maintain his delusions concerning the hereafter to comfort him until he is executed and removed from the land of the living. After all, civilization is Eros worshiping, valuing life, while Islamic believers worship Thanatos, death, as exemplified by their embrace of suicide as they engage in murder of their victims, non-Islamics.
What "race" is that?
My head is splitting after listening to that pig vomit! The idiot regressives align themselves with the very people who'd just as soon carve off their heads and, by doing so, may one day face the fruit of their folly.
دار الحرب — this is what motivates the likes of Hassan. If he didn't have a gun he would use something else.
Browncoat, you simply fail to realize that what us poor, misguided kaffirs don't understand.
Most of what we mistake for violence is nothing of the sort. By definition, what happens to people who are either unbelievers or apostate Moslems cannot be violence. Violence can only happen to the true Moslems.
("Oozing lies from every pore, he oils his way through the board.")
Charles. One word of advice. Transfer!
standing by ur post , doesn't make it right!! we didn't ask him to speak at the function. he's has to b somebody important, or other people thinks he's important for him to speak at the function.
Done. Molon Lave.
Imam Zaid Shakir read the United States Constitution, if you don't agree with what it says, I sugesst you find somwhere else to live.
Well put!
I love my Ruger mini-14. I love my Sig Sauer. I love my LCP. I love my .357 (but I can only shoot .38 thru it, .357 are big-boy bullets). I love my Taurus 5-shot. And I love my brand new H&K .40 (same round as the Sig Sauer so that's convenient. I like my 12 guage.
The can have our bullets, but not our guns.
Note the "qualifiers" used by him. Over 300 years…"Christian"… meanwhile he totally ignores what has occurred with Islam trying to eliminate Israel for the past 60 years. What really terrifies him is the thought of Americans being armed and able to protect themselves, which BTW, the military personnel killed by Major Hasan, were denied. They are not allowed to have any weapons, unless issued and authorized to carry, on a federal installation. Perfect example of what occurs when people are denied the right to keep and bear arms. Like cattle led to slaughter which is what he wants, Americans led to slaughter by the Islamic terrorists.
The United States Constitution, Amendment 2
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Our enemies have always understood that to overcome the armed citizenry of the United States is impossible. They must first disarm American citizens. They cannot do it by force so the only hope they have is to convince Americans to disarm themselves. Read below the historical facts regarding unarmed citizenry.
Any person, group or politician advocating gun control are subverting the Constitution and they should immediately be branded as a TRAITOR!
They are NOT concerned about your safety. They ONLY desire to render you and yours helpless and SUBJECT TO THEIR WILL BY FORCE!
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H&K just came out with a .40 (same round as our Sig Sauer P229). Great balance! We just fell in love with it the minute we picked it up. Have only had it in our possession for 4 days now. Once all this snow melts, we're going to go shoot it. I'd itching to try out the Sig Sauer and the H&K side by side.
If You Have any Doubt About the Results of Gun Control…
The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929.
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Turkey established gun control in 1911.
From 1915 to 1917, over 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938.
From 1939 to 1945, a total of over 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, over 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, about 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
More…
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Pinchy!!! That's funny!!!
the real ROE, eliminate the threat……..politics don't work on the battlefield
Every "enlightend" person in the U.S. knows for a fact that it is the Radical Mosques, housing radical clerics who are getting these young fools to attack us.
Don't go too far you Clerics, and you know who you are. AMERICANS will only put up with you for so long.
This is not France or Denmark.
We put Charles Manson in prison for life far less than what your Jihadist have done to us thus far.
Show me an Islamist in America who is for gun control and I'll show you the next potential underwear bomber.
Muslims in the west are committed to the stealth jihad, and notice, their message always remain the same — "this ain't no jihad".
Hardly an "idiot." He is a deceitful, calculating, conniving, dangerous individual. He "religion" allows for the purposeful deflection and lies he is spewing in order further Islam. American's would never accept its presence, just as we rejected communism and Nazism, if they were aware of the whole truth, so people like Shakir must make it some way palatable to the populace by lying about its true nature.
Obviously this terrorist missed the Al-Qaeda briefing where they tell you Americans would just as likely shoot their own politicians for trying to take their guns away. Proves he's not one of us.
Nice try, Ahmed.
I have been watching too much "RedEye" lately.
He was speaking in a public forum, not really fair to say he is just some whackjob.
Not to mention he's a Muslim.
It's a Judeo-Christian nation.
Twist the knife, Bob.
From part 5 of the film "Innocent's Betrayed":
watch the film in it's entirety here:
:
a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwdO2FLg1Rs&feature=related">Innocents Betrayed – Gun Control History and Genocide – Part 1
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaAr_1ugxu8&feature=related">Innocents Betrayed – Gun Control History and Genocide – Part 2
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uf8NTQ9p1c&feature=related">Innocents Betrayed – Gun Control History and Genocide – Part 3
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YoQLXwiNJg&feature=related">Innocents Betrayed – Gun Control History and Genocide – Part 4
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmVg6IVvffE&feature=related">Innocents Betrayed – Gun Control History and Genocide – Part 5
Liar. Go back to where you belong.You really need to hang out in desert and chase around goats and stuff…..or perhaps we can send you off to be with your 40 virgins….by the way, what becomes of the virgins after you have de-flowered them? you must be miserable then…ah well…back to the goats…
"…violent extremism exists in ALL communities, whether they be white, black, latino, conservative, Christian or Muslim…"
Perhaps, to some extent but you left out Liberalism. Your statement clearly shows that you're a product of Modern Liberalism's diseases of political correctness, moral relativism and the indiscriminateness of thought. You segregate us, label us and then compare us all as being somehow equal to the world's 1.5 billion Muslims who ARE governed by the barbaric, brutal political and social structures within Islam. Violence is a 'vicious cycle' not exclusive to the Dar al-Harb. Tell me, when was the last time we had to fear a terrorist threat from the Vatican, Beth Israel, or the RNC? This is silly nonsense and you should know better.
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Yes, & we don't have the handicap of ROI.
Someone needs to tell this yerkov, "No, Yerkov, access to ISLAM is the reason why the Ft. Hood happened."
This is what the liberals consider an intellectual. Let me repeat:
THIS IS WHAT THE LIBERALS CONSIDER AN INTELLECTUAL.
I love my guns too. In fact, now that they're letting out all the criminals in the People's Republic of California, I'm going to have to buy more guns.
The Stimu-LESS bill provided for $800 million for Hamas and millions of $$$$ for CAIR, Hamas' unindicted co-conspirator. Is that one of the reasons Obamao refused to post the stimu-less bill on line and was in a hurry to sign it into law? Recently, Hack Holder, our illustrious AG, spoke at a CAIR dinner, right after he dropped the charges against the Black Panthers.
So what message is Obamao and his sidekick sending?
I remember reading an article about a high school student involved in a school shooting. When the police searched his home they found a number of guns; all were either stolen or homemade. I’m not quite sure how gun control could fix this. But I’m sure that if we made possession of a gun illegal then the guy who wants to rob a bank would say to himself, “I would really like to rob this bank; too bad I am not allowed to have a gun so that I could pull it off.” I’m guessing that the person that wants to commit a crime does not care if the gun he is going to use is illegal, and if a high school kid can make his own then I’m pretty sure most anybody else could.
You have got to love the attmpt to stear the real problem away from radical islam with his attempt to show it as a gun problem. We are a violent society. Has he watched the news and seen what his islamic brothers are doing to the citizens of Iran. That is the reason why our founding fathers allowed us to bear arms in this country so that our enamies both foriegn and domestic cannot take our freedom and country away from us. Nuff said.
Actually we have destroyed a shit ton of mosques, and will fucking destroy a shit load more, inshallah.
And access to airplanes caused 9/11……
Tag him and bag him, send him back to the muslim world. If it is so bad in the USA for muslims then why is he even here and how does he survive? What an ass. I'm getting really sick of freaks like this being able to roam or streets and fight against us at the same time.
That he doesn't give a crap about us, this country, our constitution, our liberties, or our ability to detect his constant lies.
So this loon is talking to college kids? Who approves this? Nevermind, I already know the answer.
You're right, I did leave liberal out. I thought it but just didn't write it because I was typing this quickly. I do acknowledge violent liberal extremists exist.
And on moral relativism. This is a fundamental ideological assumption. Liberals are humanists first and foremost. Although we differ on how we think we should practice humanism, the fundamental assumption is that we are all humans and we are all share a common potential and common flaws..and that within in any human population you will find sociopaths that want to destroy everything to pursue their agenda and that sometimes these motivations can be legitimated through various social and political forces. Do you disagree with this assumption? I think the historical record bears this out since every society that I can think of has engaged in genocide or extreme violence at some point.
Although there is no threat from the Vatican, there is certainly a threat posed by violent pro-lifers, white supremacists, and even extreme tea partiers. Not to say that it is the same level of threat as with Muslim extremists since the variables are different…the point is that extremism should not DEFINE Islam just as it should not define white people, Christians or Tea Partiers.
Again, Islamic extremists justify their violence because of the perceived (or real) violent threat the West (specifically, America) poses to their way of life. This is not moral relativism…or a justification. This is simply what they say if you ask them why they do what they do. No matter how easy it is to just say "it's just a violent religion,"…as if it was destined that they hate us…there is a very real cause-and-effect quality to these acts of violence…ignoring that fact is willful ignorance.
I just call him Cliffy – the big blow hard….
Excellent posts Fantum, just a suggestion but a comparison of violent crime in states with more liberal carry laws would make it a powerful trilogy IMHO.
And I'm Lady Godiva
It's exhausting carrying all this blame – c'mon libs, aren't you all for the underdog?
I wish someone would shut Daley up about this garbage. He is as progressive as they come, and to realize how much power he holds – not just here in Chicago -
Yes, of course there is no Muslim problem. Right. We didn't have that proble, at Ft. Hood or NY on 9-11-2001 or with the USS Cole or any times and places. This jihadist would love to disarm us wouldn't he. And the Obamas and Pelosis and dems in general would stupidly oblige him if they could.
Guns kill! Not fanatic radical muslims.
And mini-skirts are to be blame for women being raped.
Smoooooth numnutz, real smooth…..Tea Party fringe….Bachman….Palin…..revolution…..rhetoric dangerous
& wrong……. born in genocide…….legitimates violent responses……our country was founded on violence…..
slavery…..segregation…….political expansion…….precedent has been set for violence……Americans pre-
tend never happened…….R U NUTZ??????????? Every country in the world was founded on violence.
You sure have all the catch phrases down.
Study history much???
Last I noticed, the nut-job who murdered the abortion doctor in church, made no jihad video, I doubt
his family prepared a feast for his send-off. No, I imagine if they had known what he was planning they
would have notified authorities in an attempt to prevent his heinous act.
The Ft Hood jihadist had been conversing with his family about his unhappiness. A relative was immed-
iately calling in to all the network news outlets, the Maj had been bullied & mistreated by the military. This
relative spoke perfect English & had all the CAIR talking points down pat. He methodically went through
them, one after another. In fact his conversations almost sounded scripted. If you think he didn't know the
Maj was about to commit jihad, you are a fool. There's probably a last video of him hugging his parents somewhere.
You may be able to convince some Americans that we brought all this BS on ourselves, but not me.
You are as dangerous as a rattlesnake. U R NUTZ !!!
Muslims lie full stop. It's in the Koran. They will lie to decieve the Kuffar. That's me, you and your family America.
Do anything to discredit, defame & demoralize this sick America destroying, sharia loving, goat stroker from spouting his hate speech to our children or anyone else with in earshot.
Stop Muslim immigration to North America NOW!
Yeah f**k these people dude.. what morons.
Charles you should totally take all your guns to school and make sure they know who's boss around there. F**k those pussies!! Jesis is Lord!
I think he should go to the Middle East and analyze why they're so
violent….And, when he finds out, come back here and preach….
Easy availability of guns is a perennial lie told by the left. Please read this essay I've posted to my blog that tells the truth about firearm availability. I ask respectfully of anyone who believes guns to be available easily to refute or rebut any point I've made. Here's "The Lie of Availability": http://jerrysblog.anniesgetyourgun.com/2009/06/16...
Thank you
It is willful ignorance on your part to deny the truth in your effort to lay blame. The moral equivocation between Islamic Jihad and Christian fundamentalism is laughable, at best. There is no justification of any violence unless engaged in a just cause. The "cause and effect" of the current Jihad are Israel's existence and our support for it, nothing more.
And you might want to rethink your humanist position of looking for leadership from others. Kurt Vonnegut (you may have heard of this famous humanist) was, at least, thoughtful in trying to establish some sort of moral compass. He once said; "……if Christ hadn't delivered the Sermon on the Mount, with its message of mercy and pity, I wouldn't want to be a human being. I'd just as soon be a rattlesnake……" In stating this he recognized what the Church teaches. That there is no humanity without Christ.
Is it possible to find one intelligent member of this community to talk. Why is it that the media find the stupidist mouthpiece in the muslim community to represent them. I guess if you can push your anti-gun agenda and find a way to ensure the priviledged religion to spout propaganda at the same time is a win-win for the Obama media.
This islamist apologist, Imam Zaid Shakir, should be flogged and deported to some islamic crapistan. These radical slamic sandnits are unfit to live in western society; they are backward heathens.
"Every country was founded on violence"—-EXACTLY MY POINT! is this what WeWeed_Up would call moral relativism? And every country that was founded in violence had violent opposition to the power that they often maintained VIOLENTLY. I'm not saying that we brought this on ourselves. I'm saying this is the nature of the system and is to be expected. I would rather opt out of this system and not intervene in people's matters or boss people around. But we can't do that because the right would think that was being cowardly and not what it really is: being noble and taking the higher road. It's funny that "turn the other cheek" applies everywhere except with foreign policy. In terms of how we engage foreign nations, we're all a bunch of school children.
The dude's head is big as freaking Mars.
"A Just cause"….and "just" is relative. Sorry you hate moral relativism. I'm sure you're a Christian so there's no convincing you of this point, I know. Truth is absolute because it is determined by God. But you must understand that these Islamic extremists believe their actions are "just" with the same amount of conviction that you believe in your god, or that you may have believed invading Afghanistan was just.
And, without a doubt, I love Christ. He is THE perfect character and I often look to him for guidance. He is the anthropomorphization of everything great about the human spirit and our capacity to love and care for one another and was the philosophical precedent for humanism. I give credit where credit is due. So, you're right, there is no humanity without love.
He's right in that this country has more guns but it was a classic case of misdirection to deflect guilt.
"Some whackjob says something stupid so you build him up into something he isn't, like a spokesperson for liberals or American Muslims or gun control advocates. "
I'm sorry mikatollah, it must really suck being a mouth-beathing toll; but being illiterate as well really completes the crap sandwich.
Zaid Shakir is an "eminent Islamic scholar" to the NYT and major academics, and is a go-to source for Lamestream reporters. But if you could read you'd have figured that out.
Zig Sauer P229. Hav enot made up my mind what teh second one would be…
I am a mile or a little more so from C. McKenna. Was thinking about sending daughter there.
How do these people get invites to the minds of our students?? Never mind.
Thanks, now I have to try to get my blood pressure back to normal. Someone comes for my guns they will get a bonus and find that I also have a ton of ammo and a fair eye for shooting. "I Ansa" to no one. Thankfully, enough of the Senate is pro 2nd amendment, as are most State A.G.. We are pretty safe, but it will require constant diligence.
Link forwarded by GaltFan, NRA Life Member, to all 2nd amendment supporters on my list. Picking up a decent Smith 29-2 (Dirty Harry!) on Wednesday. Doing my best to become part of the "Arsenal of Democracy".
Thanks for the link.
I guess that refutes the post above yours nicely.
Thanks
Iman Zaid Shakir who…?
The rhetoric spewing from this holy persons mouth is far more dangerous than any gun…!!!
I wonder if he has ever gazed down the barrell of a .45? I wonder if he would like to?
"Imam" not "Iman."
"… – we were a nation born in genocide – …" As opposed to Muslim nations, which were all born out of peaceful negotiations?
This man is a demagogue of the most manipulative order.
Well, I'm disgusted, how bout ya'll?
Great I can't wait to run into the drunken kool-aide crew when they trot that little gem and have a go at me with it.
What a crock of shit, I won't even attempt to debate it on the merits, it's rubbish. I suppose people applauded this at the end? I don't know how a person would manage to sit through it without getting violent on the spot.
There is no problem in life that can't be addressed by the proper application of high explosive projectiles.
Lies, distortions, falsehoods, and misinformation-and the liberal media will lap it up like puppies at a big bowl of milk. A religion that calls itself "peaceful" while killing women and children in the name of "God" is not a religion-it is a sickness.
I'm stil trying to figure out how he has 99p. He always seems to get negative points here. Where does he post that people like what he says most of the time? Or maybe I don't understand the point system.
This guy and people like him are EXACTLY the reason we as Americans have the right to bear arms. I will never give up my right to bear arms. There are too many people abroad and even here at home who would like to enslave and change our way of life.
He is not an IDIOT. He is a propagandist and probably well paid for it. People that believe him are IDIOTS.
Kinda makes you want to re-think free speech doesn't it?
Yeah……I'm STILL trying to figure out who the marketing genius was who came up with 'Islam – the Religion of PEACE!!!!' That exclipses 'Hope and Change' and a few other totally false assumptions that have gotten a lot of airplay!!! Which religion has killed more Muslims than any other religtion??? Take ONE guess!!! Has anyone ever bothered to research how Islam became so wide-spread and powerful?? It wasn't by going door to door and trying to sell some little newsletters!!! Isn't one of their goals to completely dominate the world with their Religion of Peace????
Tell me if I'm wrong……….I'm waiting!!!
Oh……..as for the guns ( and bombs and swords and knives, etc.)…………….how's that working out over there in the middle east…………………..and you can even subtract the infidels and the Jews…………and you can guarantee that it would STILL be a violent mess!!!
DONE!!! Over MY dead body!!!
Run this jihaddy piglover out of the US. Its time to get rid of this garbage……for far too long these 3rd world imbeciles have been allowed to sully the US……..the General Pershing treatment is what this idiot fool desperately needs!
Americans access to guns is the reason a yo-yo like Shakir hasn't taken over yet. Everybody go buy yourself a gun and learn how to use it.
As my Grandmother used to say…. "There's a time and a place, for assault and battery."
Good chance that this guy's pants are on fire. Islam's OK with lying for the cause. The true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—-not so much. "All liars will have their place in the lake of fire." Have a nice eternity, Zaid. We'll see how much influence you have when you're screaming out for a drop of water….forever. Repent and find truth instead of wallowing in your Muslim lie-fests.
Zaid would just love it if we all gave our guns up.
It would be so much easier for him and his other True Believer's to get their message across in our country.
Hey Zaid, you can pound sand, it will NEVER happen here.
Slither back into that sandy hole you came from.
By the way, America is a Christian Nation!!! fool.
Hahahahahahaha really? really? Guns are the problem?
Now it's all coming back to me before guns there was no crime everything was peaceful.
If we would just get rid of alcohol too there wouldn't be any drinking……oh wait, it didn't really work out like that did it.
Huh so say one couldn't carry a gun (which causes all of our violent crime) on say an airplane. How does Dr. Jihadi Fanatic explain the Underwear bomber? To many explosives in those terrorist countries must be the problem. Wait were those explosives legal?
Or it could just be Dr. that your religion of peace is not very peaceful nor has it ever been.
It's morons like this guy that makes me wonder why so many supposed Dr's are such idiots.
I saw a report on tv, probably after the Ft Hood massacre, about gun ownership, & the jest of the whole
deal was, there is no reason for anyone in the US to own more than 1 or 2 guns. If you owned more,
you then fit into the gun-nut right-wing extremist category. The media is going about this in a very subtle
way. They want non-gun owners who are afraid of guns to be afraid of anyone who owns guns, rather
than be afraid of murders, rapist, burglars etc. It's kind of like the bias against Hummers, you know,
they're so big they can run over all the itty bitty cars, it's just not fair. And bozo sure wants to make every-
thing fair, doesn't he.
I actually think we own enough guns. Oh, don't get me wrong…should the husband decide to acquire another one, he'll get no argument from me. After stories like this I said to him "We have enough guns, my love. What we're more in need of is ammo." He just smiled. He's good like that.
The guy was an officer in the military. This implies he would have had access to guns even if guns were banned for civilians. This idiot is way beyond stupid!!!
BobPDX
True that!
Sorry, Randy. The article almost made my heart explode. I don't think I could take the strain of any more anger right now. I'll try to get back to it once I calm down some. Zaid Shakir…sounds like Farsi for "bloody wanker".
Our Founding Fathers no doubt credited their descendants with enough brains to not tolerate large numbers of a religion that stands in direct opposition to our own (and by "own", I mean pretty much everything other than Islam). Perhaps the United States should pass an Amendment outlawing Islam on the grounds that is not a religion but a political ideology. We could outlaw Communism/Socialism on the same grounds in the same Amendment. Just building all those jails would get us out of this depression!
Don't expect anything less from these freaks. ASS!
Pay no mind to Lick-a-Toad-a. He's our resident useful idiot. He consistently on the wrong side of every issue. In short, he's just a proglib troll.
[...] New York Times’ “go to Imam” claims Ft. Hood shooting should be blamed on access to guns. He blames the U.S. for it. [...]
Don't look now, but you're standing in a pile of your own sh!t, you horse's a$$.
Islam brings nothing but death, disease and destruction to every corner of the globe
A common denominator in incidents like these are the PSYCHOS who decide to go on a killing spree. Guns are inanimate objects and can do nothing until someone loads , points and pulls the trigger. Typical psycho liberal response is to blame the object and not the PSYCHO wielding it. In regards to muslims in the military while we are at war in the middle east; they need to be discharged immediately, as more attacks by them on their fellow soldiers is inevitable.
The jihadists that killed 3000 Americans on 9/11 were not the problem. It was the easy access to planes that was the problem.If we had only eliminated those planes. What stupid logic!
Muslims are under no obligation to be truthful with unbelievers-period! Taqiyya is or isn't a component of Islam. It's the frog and the scorpion over and over again.
One could reasonably argue by his logic that access to airplanes by Jihadist types is the real problem also – not Jihad but airplanes. I suppose we could blame mattresses for rape while we're at it!
Actually there are concerns that our left is a bit too friendly with the Islamists and the fact that they now both join forces in attempting to take away our guns merely serves to enforce the validity of that concern.
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Keep talking like this, Iman, and you will actually make this fantasy anti-Muslim world you describe a reality. You are a piece of crap, little man.
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ummmm…none of the 9/11 terrorists had guns. Neither did the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, the people who carried out the first WTC attack, nor any of the hundreds of Mid-East homicide bombers. The two things they did have in common, though, were 1) they used bombs to kill people, and 2) they were all Muslims. But it doesn't occurr to this vaunted "intellectual" that a big part of the problem is Muslims with bombs.
Access to guns is not the problem, access to Islam is.
We need WWII era "camps" to keep these Muslims in until they decide to find another country to live in, because they are NOT and never will be welcome in the US.
Judging from your filthy mouth it looks like I win. Thanks for playing.
You're welcome, troll-tard.
Perhaps he is one of your heroes…. not one of mine.
Clearly a prime candidate for the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Taurus Judge. .45 Long Colt / .410 shotgun shells. Nuff said.
The one question that should be asked of Zaid Shakir over and over again is, “what is Taqiyya?” followed by refutations of his historical falsehoods, misrepresentations, and outright lies…
Shakir’s lies to obscure the real nature of Islamists (proponents of political Islam—Sharia) like himself are too numerous to list.
In this interview with Bill Moyers he claims that ‘although the Koran has statements that appear to advocate the abuse of women, no one actually follows these edicts…’
Then how does one explain the prevalence of violence towards women in Islamic culture? –17,000 instances of honor violence in Britain in 2007 alone.
How does one explain Saudi clerics going on TV to advise young men on the best techniques for beating their wives?
Examples are easy to find.
BILL MOYERS: What about this scripture, quote, "And as for those women who– whose ill will you have reason to fear, admonish them, then leave them alone in bed, then beat them, and if thereupon they pay you heed, do not seek to harm them, behold God is indeed, most high, great." I mean, that's clearly a rule written by men for men, because it does give permission to beat them.
IMAM ZAID SHAKIR: No, that's not permission. There, if, if you take that verse out of any meaningful context, especially out of any exegetical context, and it, a person who would do that as a Muslim, and used that to justify beating his wife, he will beat his wife anyway, because he is a pathological lunatic, maniac.
BILL MOYERS: But some men have interpreted it differently.
IMAM ZAID SHAKIR: And, what I'm saying, those men, that minority of men who would interpret it differently, they don't need that verse to justify beating their wives. That verse isn't in the Bible, and there are a lot of men in this society who beat their wives because they have certain pathologies and dysfunctions that will lead them to do that, anyway.
BILL MOYERS: That's true, but it's one thing to do it with the sanction of–
IMAM ZAID SHAKIR: Well, if anyone does it, they have no sanction from God or the Koran.
BILL MOYERS: While Shakir believes that there are instances where the interpretation of Islam has been distorted. He's equally prepared to defend what he says are settled traditions.
[Bill Moyers talks with Imam Zaid Shakir]
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06222007/watch2...
Shakir went from being a Communist to an Islamist: roughly the same ideology, just with a different God.
The Soviet Taqiyya still haunts us to this day in our schools, media, and leftist propaganda. Jonah Goldberg expounds on this:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTU5ZWI5...
Ah Mik, our special, special needs political blogger…
My needs are not all that special.
And neither are you.
Cut him some slack Bill, his main man Murtha just caught the greased rail to Hell.
Lot of rage building up in there sanity. You should come up with something interesting or clever to say so you don't feel so inadequate. Wait, I don't want to miss it… let me run and get a cup of coffee first…I'll be right back.
I'm sorry, proglib, I have actual people of moral substance to engage. You just got bumped to the back burner.
you give Birchers a bad name douche
Oh well, story of my life…
You know where people go when they die? How about me, where will I end up?
You mean there are still folks that believe our origins as a nation are based on Judeo-Christian beliefs?
I certainly hope you are right, there L4S.
Allah be praised!
He id better than all the Super Bowl commercials combined.
Then he's your hero, not mine.
Speaking of religions and nations based on them, if America qualifies as a "nation based on genocide", what does that make the entire Islam world, which bases their societies on the the deranged preachings of a 7th century genocidal cult leader who literally, literally was worse than Hitler?
Grandma was a wise woman.
"I know you are, but what am I?"
First off, "Villify the Muslims, they can't fight back." Oh, really? Not even worthy of a reply. Secondly, I suppose that if you took away all of the explosives that his buddies use to blow themselves up, taking thousands of innocent lives in the process, you could stop the violence in the Middle East, too. C-4 doesn't kill people, people kill people.
Murder happens all over the world, in every country, using every possible weapon. Even here in the U.S. But when it involves Muslims praising Allah as they kill people, I find it hard to look at the crime as "just another example of gun violence." It's people like this that we have to watch like a hawk. This guy is almost certainly involved in Islamic extremist activity here in this country because he is so stanchly supportive of it.
UPDATE
2/9/2010
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just announced the Obama Administration would be working hand in glove with the UN to pass a new “Small Arms Treaty.”
So, now guns are to blame for murder? Sounds to me like the guns had a helping hand in this matter.
Since when has it become acceptable to not blame someone for their own actions?
Imam Zaid Shakir shouldn't even be allowed to speak in public if all he's doing is telling people. "It's okay, pick up a gun, or a knife or a baseball bat and kill all you want. After all you're not responsible, the gun, knife and baseball bat are."
Say something intelligent or STFU!
This guy is like all the other PLO/Gaza/Hizbollah/Muslim terrorist apologists. Obama's buddy Khalidi and the Left that has infiltrated all of this country's "elite" institutions make similar speeches all over the country and especially at NYU, Columbia and Yale.. The best solution for these rats is "Media Warfarin"–When the NYT and other similar outlets go down the tubes (and it can't happen soon enough), these babbling Islamofascists will have fewer and fewer listeners. Slow death. Couldn't happen to nicer guys.
You're a damn liar, you brain washing wanna-be, that is NOT your point. Your goal is
to slip in all the accusatory "catch phrases" & liberal talking points, while inserting yourself,
as an interpreter for the author. Flying just under the radar with your psychobabble BS, your
POINT is to feed us a serving of progressive excrement. Since you were "called on the carpet"
now you're taking the tactic of being a pacifist. I recommend a relocation to Scandinavia for you.
Taking the high road…….Being noble……. In a PIGS A$$!!!!!!!!!!! passive / aggressive much ???
Absotively, remember Nick Bergs' fathers statements after KSM sawed his head off his body with
a dull knife.
x1000
Speaking of that phrase, "Religion of Peace", I had never heard it referred to as such until after 9-11-01,
when GW Bush invited several Islamic muckety mucks to the White House & put on a dog & pony show.
The debris in NYC was still burning & he was rubbing elbows with people, who later were revealed to
have made public statements of hatred for the USA. I thought my head would explode, I can feel the pres-
sure building even now. I had the impression the Bush Adm was afraid the commoners might be about to commit mass genocide.
and a guard pig. My spouse had a piglet that was allowed to run free with the dogson the farm. He thought
he was a dog. Don't know if he chased cars.
[...] Islamic “Scholar” says access to guns, not jihad, to blame for Ft. Hood [...]
Well, I took some 'religion' course in college a LONG time ago…….and Islam was referred to the 'Religion of Peace'……….so I remembered that………although it seemed like a pretty violent philosophy, even then. As far as Bush having those phonies up to the White House……..I remember that. But I don't remember his saying anything like 'America is one of the largest Muslin nations in the world'……..or 'Muslims have played an important part in America's history'……………….like our own Muslim-in-Chief said!!!! And, you may have noticed, the press did NOTHING to refute, or even QUESTION, the statements!!!!! FUBO!!!!!
By the way……I've been to Indonesia a few times, where EVERYONE is a Muslim, and also a mixed city like Singapore and in Malaysia, where there are a variety of religions. I think most of these people just get up every day and live their lives…………..and I also think that the virulent, inbred forms of ultra violent and radical Islam come from the middle East……………where they seem to be more locked into their own sordid history than moving forward…………..
Maybe he would of felt better if this guy went around hacking people’s head off with a sword.
Be it noted that Zaid Shakir is an American convert whose original name was Ricky Mitchell. His proposal that it be made "far, far, far more difficult for people to get their hands on a gun" is an effort to impose upon Americans the disarmament clause of the Pact of Umar, under which the subjugated Christians of Syria agreed (on pain of slaughter) that, inter alia,
"We shall not mount on saddles, nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms nor carry them on our persons."
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pact-umar.h...
It should in fact be made "far, far more difficult" for people such as Mitchell/Shakir to practice a religion that infringes on the rights of free men.
[...] Ft. Hood, Says Noted Islamic Scholar,” by Charles C. Johnson (no, not the libelblogger) at Big Government, February 8: Imam Zaid Shakir came to speak at my school, Claremont McKenna, on December 9th to [...]
Yeah, and access to forks is why I need to lose 40 pounds.
Is this guy for real?? Go-to expert on Islamic issues for the mainstream media?? “[A] leading intellectual light?” What a con artist. I'll bet the Brady Campaign and Southern Poverty Law Center will get all sticky in the pants and wet legged over this nut job. Mr. Shakir, you are a phony and a fraud. I too am of Middle Eastern decent, and I’m somewhat proficient in the language and customs of the region. I am also a veteran of the armed forces with service in the Iraq War, so I can assure you that [Former Major] Hassan is fully to blame for his actions and that access to guns is “not” the problem. Finally, the discount book racks at every discount Dollar Store are filled with books written by ill-advised people like you.
He says it was all the fault of that evil gun. It made that Muslim asshole take it around and forced him to point it at US soldiers and tortured him until he pulled it's trigger.
GIVE ME A BREAK! The Muslim did the dirty deed, and if guns were not available, he would have used a sword, or a bomb, or poison, or some other weapon.
It is obscene to me that on military bases our troops are disarmed and it took a cop to put the dirtbag down.
This man is _not_ stupid. He is a very skilled liar. He is practicing _taqqiya_ ("dissimulation"). Islam, like Christianity, commands its adherents to be truthful. However, there are obvious situations where lying may be acceptable – as when one is ordered to deny one's faith and profess another under threat of death.
Islamic scholars have generalized from this to the idea that lying, faking, and pretense are _always_ acceptable in the service of Islam.
Shakir's intended audience is the politically correct "liberal establishment", which is terrified of two things. One is overt religious prejudice (especially being accused of it); it is after all a Bad Thing, with dreadful historical associations. The other is the idea that wrong and criminal behavior may be motivated by religious belief. If that is happening, then it may be necessary for governments to intervene in religion, perhaps even to suppress some religious beliefs. _That_ has really horrifying historical associations; it was one of the things the U.S. explicitly rejected at its founding.
By accepting Shakir's _taqqiya_, liberals can continue to avoid facing these two terrors.
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In other news, "Access to explosives, electronics and wire, not jihad, to blame for UK bus bombings".
Arse.
I blame communism
All of you that commented must be white and believe every thing the news tells you, what sheep you all are. There are over 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world if Islam was the threat you cowards are so afraid of there wouldn't be a safe place for you. The truth is you God is not mocked what so ever a man sews that will he reap. (that's the Bible Morons) So reap the world wind. You cant do dirt all over the planet and not experience blow back. Damn yall are ignorant.