Of Windmill Pushers and Pinwheel Hats: Wind Lobby Blows Hard to Keep its Welfare Intact
by Christopher C. HornerAs a repository of reader insight adding context to or exposing flaw or omissions of a paper’s news and editorial pages, the letters section of the Wall Street Journal is typically unmatched among other outlets.
I have spent some time on the phone and in correspondence with the Letters editor to conclude he is thoughtful and on the ball, though exceptions to the page’s excellence occur. While we do not expect perfection here on earth, sometimes these exceptions are so ridiculous as to demand ridicule. Saturday’s Letters page is a case in point.
Wind’s taxpayer lifeline is expiring, and you can feel it in the air. Responding to a piece touting shale gas, a windmill enthusiast wrote to defend the honor of his beloved pinwheels against gas, a proxy for abundant, reliable (they always work, so you can actually run an economy on them…wind, well, not so much) fossil fuels:
The energy to service a wind farm is free. For gas generation you need water, steel, energy, labor, chemicals and food stocks…
If there is a point here it must be to imply that wind energy is cheaper. It is a twist on the old line spouted by “renewables” pushers, “the wind and the sun are free!”, ignoring that wind and solar power are bloody expensive.
The wind and sun passing by one’s plot is free just as is the gas, oil or coal under it. But just three of these five fuels may be cost-effectively converted into electricity. Meaning that talking point is, like so many of the greens’ utterances, not just meaningless but useless.
Now by pure luck an always-informative gentleman named Willis Eschenbach had just posted, at the invaluable “climate” site Watts Up With That?, an item detailing the “levelized costs” of various energy sources. Levelized costs represent capital costs plus fuel, operations and maintenance. That is, the term circumvents silly talking points like the above.
Eschenbach, citing the US Energy Information Administration, lays the case out in fine graphic form for any WSJ reader, or letters editor, who cares to check: the three cheapest sources for new plants are gas, followed by dams and coal (despite the thirty-year war on it, escalated by an aggressive blitz of late, Old King Coal is still hanging in there). All are reliable.
Then comes land-borne wind, which is intermittent, but almost precisely tied with coal, despite all of the fawning, enviro statute-waving, fast-tracking and other gimmes afforded this failed contemporary of coal-fired electricity.
Our correspondent continued:
…, then build a pipeline to your power plant.
Sir, as an avowed fan of the gadgets, are you not aware that windmills require special, extremely expensive transmission lines because of their rather variable output? And lots and lots of them, given the suitable locations for wind farms are generally far away from where the (occasional) electricity is used, making that expense really add up?
Oh, yes, that reminds me of the efforts by greens to block said transmission lines (and of course the bird-killing turbines) because, well, given their location, they scare all sorts of critters such that they’ve been stymied in California, Oregon and Wyoming as I recall of the top of my head. Expensive, expensive.
He struggled on, heroically:
Maybe wind is just so productive that many jobs aren’t created, nor little in the way of multipliers.
Wha? But, wind isn’t productive. After decades of throwing billions at it on a serial lie, the intellectual insult of which is compounded with each iteration of “isn’t it time we began investing in…” what is risibly called a “new technology”, wind provides a little over 2% of our electricity. Despite the War on Coal, and with an enormous portion of wind’s share brand new (and all of it extremely costly), after a Bush administration-pushed surge and the huge spike from a $90 billion “stimulus” debacle.
Finally, he closes with:
A wind farmer knows the cost to produce power for 20 years. What other power generation source can claim that?
Answer: your partner in welfare, solar. What I believe he alludes to here is that they both exist in any material way only where state laws make utilities carry, and therefore consumers pay for, their stuff, locked at today’s high rates in by 20-25 year contracts.
So our doughty wind warrior proves a little too much here, reminding us that if spectacular advances in efficiency really were around the corner, the schemes propping them up would be ever more reckless and absurd.
When the good news is the selling point is untrue, you know you’re dealing with something you ought just abandon.
If wind and solar had a valid argument we would have heard it by now. They’ve both had more than a century of competing with coal-fired electricity, and a long time to try and edge out gas, yet remain mired in facially absurd incantations like that run by the WSJ Letters page on Saturday.
They still call themselves “new technologies”, they absurdly demand merely “a chance to compete”, and then admit they are still where they started with the line “isn’t it time we began investing in…” After billions squandered over decades protecting these losers from actual competition they admit they’ve made immaterial progress. Next!
Meanwhile, as we sit here today your elected policymakers are being lobbied to extend the windmill welfare queens’ lifeline for another four years — to get them yet another four years, until the next four years, as wind (and solar) is and will always remain just a few decades away from cost-competitiveness.
Each time around industry press releases admit it all: if this subsidy goes away the industry disappears, because it is not economic. That’s your money, and your economy being dragged down by the higher energy costs.







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Memo to enviro idiots….
Good grief, this nation can never fulfill future power demands with wind, or solar energy. It's going to take large turbines, turning large generators….PERIOD
Alternative energy is so well entrenched in our economy that abandoning it, as we should immediately do, will send a shock wave through the stock market.
The WSJ is all about biz, and so are our politicians, especially with their perks of insider trading immunity. It's a house of cards built on a snowdrift. We will all feel the consequence when we finally realize we can no longer afford to fund the sham.
Denial is the soup of the day!
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Of all entities suckling on the government teat, public unions and special interest lobbies are foremost in the "must be banned" group. Remove the monetary incentive and corruption will diminish.
We can simply learn from the follies of Europe. David Shukman's reports on energy policy for the BBC failed to explain the true lunacy of the Government's plans.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/chr...
"The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."
George Washington
The new ones though, are 100% efficient and run on hot air. The test models installed in congress look very promising …..
"The energy to service a wind farm is free."
Laughable argument.
Particularly since the Progs would cook up some sort of 'wind' tax anway.
There are a lot of people with a vested interest in keeping the climate scam going. It would seem as if most of them are now on holiday in Hawaii.
Good luck powering a steel plant by intalling a propellor(s) on the roof.
You are better off lighting the farts of OWS slummers.
Already in place in the state of Wyoming.
http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2011/05/13/ne...
I've been a bird-watcher for decades – I'm especially fond of the birds of prey – eagles, hawks, falcons, kites, etc. These birds generally hunt ground-dwelling critters, most of which are considered vermin – mice, rats, rabbits, etc. While they have acute vision, they're not so good at avoiding those big blades swinging around and regularly get whacked by them. as a result, the ground around wind farms has become a haven for ground critters, which in turn attracts more birds…well you can see where that's going.
Last year, estimates are that about a half-million birds of prey died in collisions with wind turbines. I've also heard that they're really tough on bats as well. Since birds of prey help keep vermin populations in check (along with the diseases vermin host) and since bats keep insect populations in check (and the diseases which use them as vectors) we're really not doing ourselves any favours by killing off so many birds and bats. But according to the dedicated greenie, apparently, the goal of CO₂ reduction (which isn't happening anyway) is worth seeing our ecosystems suffer irreparable damage and increased vermin and insect presence.
These global warmists give environmentalism a bad name.
The argument for GW is the same-GW eftfects are imminent and we only have days or weeks to change our carbon habits before certain doom. And this has been going on for years! Should we not have long since past the ever threatened ' tipping point" ? Why have we not yet been swallowed by the sea?
You guys have had two decades to get your R&D working. You failed. Go away. I want my nuclear/coal power.
Just a thought for an abundant, untapped source of energy. We dig up our founding fathers, wrap them in copper wire, drive an iron pole through their bodies and replace their headstones with magnets..
Think of all the "free energy" they would generate as they roll over in their graves..
Yes, Get the Money out of politics.
Banning the romance between Science and Politicians is a start but don't publicly suggest that or you'll be accused of being on the payroll of Big Oil.
My direct ancestor Abraham Piersay was the first man in the Western World to operate a windmill. Jamestown about 1612. You didn't know that? You've never heard of him? He is better known to history as the man who introduced black slavery to America.
That's why I always associate wind power with chattel slavery.
If we could harness the Democratic SPIN MACHINE in the same way we could light every light bulb on the planet for ever and ever.
The wind lobby better hurry up and lock up their goodies. Next November the cookie jar will be closed.
Wind and solar are the future. You bags are just going to have to get used to it. Sorry if it offends you.
Doh..and here is our daily TROLL Nine9Nine9Nine9 posting its left wing "intellect"..isn't if fun to read?
For fun ask it what 2 and 2 equals and see what response it gives out.
And by all means you go ahead and voluntarily use wind or solar. I assume your car has sails on it. But there exists no reason the rest of us must be compelled to use it. I'm sure we will all be humiliated when you shoot past us on the expressway in your 40 mph wind powered car.
The bigger question is why are all your so called solutions always the use of force. WHY do you require our forced capitulation for your fantastic technology to work. All you have to do is merely put forth your money to purchase wind and solar products and leave us out of it.
What's really sad is you proggies don't give your own money voluntarily to make this tech work or support these companies. You say its the future yet you and your pals don't dump money into it yourselves to support it. Like Air America you say you want it but you never supported it and never paid for it.
Go to it sport.
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Scams like Solyndra are the future. You bags are just going to have to get used to it. Sorry if it offends you.
..funny stuff.
Good luck posting on a calm night. dopey. Sorry if it offends you.
This idea is no more nutty than AGW, but I;ll try to keep from laughing. Won't all these wind turbines put a drag on the earth's rotational velocity and cause longer and hotter days (cooler and longer nights). Then the hour will be longer and the 8 hour work day will be longer in length. This might crash all the computer systems in the world and bring on crisis. (I couldn't help it)
Two decades? Man has been harnessing the wind for centuries. We developed alternate energy means because of it's lack of efficiency.
If wind was so freaking great all the time why did the sailing merchant ships disappear?
Morbid, but kinda funny.
The technology is in place. We just need a commitment to update our 75 year old electricity infrastructure to accommodate it. It won't be easy, but give it 20 years and you will claim that it was your idea all along.
Has anyone noticed the lack of intellectual lefties rushing to give solyndra money so they can continue their future work. If wind and solar ARE the future and proggies believe this, how come Solyndra right now is not flooded with millions from proggies?
Remember Air America? Remember how proggies wanted it yet they were such cheap, greedy people that they never contributed one dollar to support it.
If proggies want wind and solar I have no problem with them volunteering their own money to pay for it. Be my guest. Just don't reach into my pocket. Why does this fantastic Star Trek tech require my forced capitulation for it to work? Or are we to all "believe" in the kings clothing for it to work?
Er, not trying to detract from your post, but the first electricity generating wind turbine was built in 1887 by Scottish academic James Blyth to light his holiday home in Marykirk, Scotland. The first photoelectric cell (solar cell) was build in 1888, and the first fuel cell was build in 1842, so when you look at where the "bright and sunny blowhards" are today in comparison to crude, coal and nuclear power, the argument supporting wind and solar power tax subsidies gets even worse..
I live at the southern end of the wind corridor that extends from Texas into southern Canada. The wind has never stopped blowing in recorded history.
Look, there are places where wind is a viable energy source. There's a place in north central Nebraska that has a single windmill for a small town. It's ALWAYS windy there. That's prob. the best case for wind power. The cables are only run a short distance for the town to use.
It's still not free though. You have huge costs for the structure and battery maintenance. Also, is anyone counting the environmental costs from the batteries? Everything involved in these batteries is toxic.
Kinda like that new "Energy Efficient" light bulb that congress forced on us. Turns out the energy saved is less than the additional energy used to create the thing and it contains toxic chemicals to boot.
Thank you for seeing that for what it was meant to be, I'm waiting to see how many points I get docked for that..
Two large nuke power plants like in Palo Verde, Arizona could replace ALL of your wind mills and would be more reliable. Fact is, this country, to keep up with future demand, should be retrofitting all existing power houses, and building five to ten new nuke power plants per year, for the next fifteen years.
You think you are arguing with other intelligent beings?
We've already given it 20 years. Actually we've given it more like 30 years, and we're still not there yet. I'm also sick of waiting for those damned jet-packs and flying cars we were promised.
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"The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."
George Washington
Whats funny about the windmills is the roads that have to be built to get them to the site where they are built. Roads as large as an interstate highway to the tops of mountains. Acres and acres of trees cut down, miles and miles of ground bulldozed, just to get them in place.
Not a peep from the environazzis.
Nice observation!
What ever happened to the free market? No more government sponsored anything…period! Stop wasting our money. If solar or wind can compete without government funds, and the people in the area don't mind destroying huge spaces of land, then so be it. Just don't take money out of my pocket to help pay for your enviro scam. Not in my back yard! I would rather have a Nuclear site, than a wind farm ANY DAY! The free market works, if we would let it.
California has over 14,000 idle windmills from the 1980's that were abandoned when subsidies ran out. There are thousands more of abandoned windmills around the world. It's too bad you are incapable of doing research into a topic.
Then by all means, voluntarily accomplish that goal. Why is my participation required? As for our infra structure, having a monolithic system is the problem. The system should be diversified not consolidated into one central authority. This isn't Sim City where some player decides where the power lines go.
Again their is no reason any electric distribution has to be gov infrastructure. Look at US freight. Probably the most deregulated industry in the US and the most efficient and cheapest freight in the world.
Cronies push hard to keep sucking money from taxpayers.
And what do you do when your fellow progressive environmentalists tell you you can't put wind towers in that corridor cause it kills birds or turtles or some such issue?
Arizona gets a heck of a lot of wind… in the mountains. But we can't put the windmills in the mountains because we are blocked by environmentalists.
I recall that some years ago they were planning something akin to these windmills to be mounted to the ocean floor and generate power by the ocean currents. How many billions could be "sunk" into this? Personally, I'm afraid if they make too many more windfarms it will generate too much lift on the earth's surface and we may go spiralling out of orbit and into the sun. Talk about your global warming.
If you look closely, Liberty, you will find the town doesn't entirely depend on wind. There will always be a backup power source or it's connected to the grid. It doesn't matter how windy it is "always". Sometimes it isn't, sometimes it's too windy, sometimes it's too cold and sometimes it's down for maintenance.
You are full of crap.
Concisely correct.
Hawaii also has many abandoned wind farms….
I often wondered where, and how enviros live and work. Do they have water, gas, and electricity…do they drive or ride a bike to work or to shop…do they live in a house, or out in the woods? Do they even have a clue as where these services come from?
One large company did a study and found that a windmill will never generate enough electricity to exceed the amount of electricity used to make the aluminum it is built from. (Refining aluminum consumes an enormous amout of electricity).
One day I was in a used hardware store looking at a 5 horsepower electrical moter and got to talking to one of the workers familiar with generating technology. He said that the windmills often need power to get the blades started in the first place. There is a prominent windmill in maple grove minnesota which is often spinning on days that appear to be windless. I have wondered what the electrical bill is to keep that thing spinning to look like it isn't worthless.
I too would like to see the flying cars. But as far as renewable energy is concerned, the fossil fuel industry has done everything in its power to delay and deny. And there is no organization better than that than the Republican party which can be purchased for a song.
Poppycock – Germany has the highest percentage of energy production by wind turbines. Over the last five years the best they could they could get from the installed capacity was 20% in any year. There were about 20% of the time that production was zero %. Since production varies they have to run coal and gas plants at idle to make sure that they have power when the wind quits. They also have to maintain coal and gas generating capacity for all the wind generators. Great savings.
Something that no one likes to mention is the fact that you have to maintain 100% of the generating capacity of wind installed just in case the wind don't blow. Until they find a way to store the electricity produced, by these "New" technologies; they will remain dead ends.
That technology is noting like the cutting edge stuff we have going on here in West Texas. You should come take the drive from Sweetwater to Lubbock…. wind turbines as far as the eye can see. It's really cool when you cross into Colorado because they build them right up to the highway and you drive right through them. Each turbine turns a 1.5 megawatt generator.
Your participation is not required. I fully expect to have to drag all of you people kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I'm fine with that.
Perhaps. But I don't think so.
LOL!
Still obsessing about our bags little girl?
You are one sick little deviate…
Took that drive recently. Only saw one of the windmills turning. The rest were all standing there doing nothing.
Sorry if it offends you.
No. You're not.
The place you will drag people isn't anywhere near the future.
"… wind turbines as far as the eye can see… they build them right up to the highway and you drive right through them."
Oh, that sounds just lovely: windmills as far as the eye can see. I can't think of any more effective way to desecrate and deface the environment in the name of environmentalism.
Why is it that Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Mitt Romney, and dozens of other hyper-rich, zealous supporters of wind energy did all they could to prevent a wind farm (the Cape Wind project) from being built within sight of their homes? It's because wind farms are an eyesore and a blight on the environment.
"Two large nuke power plants like in Palo Verde, Arizona could replace ALL of your wind mills and would be more reliable."
And not only that, they're much more environmentally friendly.
The biggest wind farm in the world, the Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center in Texas, covers more than 47,000 acres of land and has a theoretical capacity of 735 megawatts – when the wind blows, which is about 35% of the time (theoretical capacity: it's never actually produced that much, and never will).
The Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station sits on 4,000 acres (less than 1/10th as much as Horse Hollow wind farm) and actually produces 3.3 gigawatts of electrical energy, more than four times as much as Horse Hollow's theoretical capacity, and does it 24/7, even when there is no wind. And does it at a fraction of the cost.
The nuclear power plant is more efficient, more reliable, will last longer, produces energy at a fraction of the cost, has less than 1/10th the footprint, and has way less impact on the environment than the wind farm. And it's not nearly as ugly.
It has been estimated that to produce just 20% of America's energy needs would require 186,000 windmills! Where are you going to put them? Besides that, they are not efficient and in sub freezing weather they freeze up and are a maintenance nightmare! Just ask the people in Minnesota!
They certainly don't have a clue about the most appropriate use of wind sourced electricity. Use it where you generate it. Privately. As in- "on your own dime".
I'm not at all against wind power, but the appropriate use of it is for individuals to become self-sufficient in energy while taking full responsibility for the gamble of the ROI.
You're just a liar.
You caught me…
an even better example would be an aluminum smelter…
Doesn't matter. Wind is the future.
Yeah, all you lefties need is a Commie President (check!) and solid Socialist majorities in the House & Senate (oops, you screwed that up!) and you can repeal all those pesky Laws of Thermodynamics, along with basic laws of economics, like Supply & Demand, not to mention anything related to core human nature. that's really all that stands between you idiots and your imaginary utopian state…
To every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. So, yes, in a world where top science advisers propose stupid s*** like painting all roofs white and banning black cars, your concerns certainly make at least as much sense, possible more. I like it!
yeah, i imagine the stationary inertia of those massive generators is pretty high. like getting a small train or ship underway…
Not disputing that Nick. I talked to one of the folks on my way through. They get about 75% of their energy from the windmill. And not everyone is on-board. In this one isolated case it works for them as it was intended to work; as a supplement.
Wind energy cannot replace fossil fuels. And yea, I get a little miffed every time I hear them say we have to invest in this "New" technology. Wind power isn't efficient or free. If it were, wouldn't we still be shipping our cargo via sail power?
The science is sound and the technology is moving fast. Either we will do it or the Chinese will. I want it to be us.
you saying that over & over & over & over & over & over & over does not make it true.
(and i see the pu $$y thumb-down trolls have passed thru. either make a cogent argument or go away.)
No doubt, people advocate solar and wind without a clue as to the power generation potential. It's laughable. To see Obama make these grand statements about alternative energy shows the guy doesn't have a clue and he's being advised by a bunch of hippy's.
The U.S. still subsidizes oil production, and since global warming is a fact, the government has a moral duty to subsidize alternative power sources until it finds one that works. My guess is it will be solar, but Uncle Sam is going to have to put money into it, like he still does with oil, to find a winner.
No the government does not subsidize oil production and if it does it shouldn't. A tax cut is not a subsidy. And by all means remove any special favors oil companies get from gov including maintaining a monopoly.
Saying global warming exists is like saying the sky is blue. The earth always warms and it always cools. The statement is redundant.
21st century! Are you kidding? More like the 18th century. Windmills may have been "the future" hundreds of years ago, but they are inefficient and obsolete today. Making them look all futuristic and new age doesn't change what they are or make them better. Turning generators with windmills is no more "the future" than pulling trailers with horses instead of trucks.
Oh, there are a few windpumps still being used on farms. Their usefulness peaked in about 1930, and then they rapidly became obsolete as better technology became available. My grandmother still used one on her well up until 1950 when she replaced it with a more efficient, reliable, cost effective method.
Windmills, like horse drawn carriages, have been obsolete for so long that I suppose when someone who was born not very long ago sees one, he or she might think they're something new; kind of the way a lot of kids think that mini-skirts and tie-dyed shirts are new fashions.
True the wind has always been there. It's our technology that has allowed us to harness it. The wind turbines in my state are a far cry from the windmills that drove well pumps.
True, but I've seen a big effort to revive it in the last couple decades. There was quite a while where it was accepted as dying tech.
No argument there.
They won't do that for themselves. Power's gotta come from large acreage wind farms, that are government grant funded.
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